WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Musiq Soulchild

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<v Speaker 1>Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>So at the end of this month May thirty, first,

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<v Speaker 2>we have Music Soul Child celebrating twenty five years of

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<v Speaker 2>I Just Want to Sing at the twenty twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>you gear up for that, listen back to twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>for this interview. It's two hours long and covers all

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<v Speaker 2>the damn basis. All right, So to keep it a

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<v Speaker 2>buck with you in the history of this podcast, you

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<v Speaker 2>know that meme where people are just they look each

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<v Speaker 2>other in the eye and you already know, like, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna tell y'all of all the episodes of Quest

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<v Speaker 2>Love Supreme, if one of them embodies the meme brugh bruh,

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<v Speaker 2>then it's the Music Soul Child episode.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all we can say.

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<v Speaker 2>Anytime we mentioned the Music Soul Child, oh music was

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<v Speaker 2>on the q LS. Fante will be the first of

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<v Speaker 2>beak bruh. This This is a certified five star.

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<v Speaker 1>Bruh m hm.

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<v Speaker 2>Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of q LS.

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<v Speaker 2>What's Love Supreme? I me know what's love with us today?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, ladies, person yeah, hello.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey Brown, we got sugar, Steve or sugar.

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<v Speaker 3>We also got about you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, y'all can't see him right now, but fresh cut

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<v Speaker 1>fake man. I'm happy. I'm happy too. I'm happy too.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what I'm gonna get the next because

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<v Speaker 4>the numbers keep going up, but I'm gonna just hold

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<v Speaker 4>on the one as long as i can. Shout out

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<v Speaker 4>to the states Man and we were doing good.

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<v Speaker 1>I ain't about to put his own good.

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<v Speaker 4>We was holding we was doing I and then it

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<v Speaker 4>just this ship is all helped.

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<v Speaker 2>Then celebration. No, you can't celebrate too early. Bill, how's

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<v Speaker 2>it going?

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<v Speaker 1>Fantastic? Now here's the Hamptons with the children. That's good.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say that, you know, especially based on the

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<v Speaker 2>the buzz of the Jill Scott episode, that these Philadelphia

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<v Speaker 2>conversations couldn't have come at a better time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's only a matter of.

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<v Speaker 2>Time before we dip back into the pool of neo

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<v Speaker 2>genius for another go round. And our guest today he

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<v Speaker 2>burst upon the scene back in two thousand, probably with

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<v Speaker 2>the most unlikeliest, charmingest platonic black anthem of all time,

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<v Speaker 2>and the hits kept rolling and rolling.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh nine or ten albums Deep.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it's nine albums Deep, thirteen Grammy nominations, and

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta stay okay. This this is the college word

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<v Speaker 2>drop of the day, probably the man that has done

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<v Speaker 2>the most for Manda Green spelling.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, oh that's what that's called.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called Manda Green. Yes, it's based on a poem.

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<v Speaker 2>I forget the person did a poem. But when you

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<v Speaker 2>when you spell and jumble words together, it's mondagree, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Monda Green King.

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<v Speaker 2>Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to quest Love Supreme Music, Soul,

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<v Speaker 2>the soul child.

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<v Speaker 1>What's up? Brother?

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<v Speaker 4>Where are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Where are you right now?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm in the A. I'm in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>How long have you been in Atlanta? When did you

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<v Speaker 1>do us? When did you leave Philly?

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<v Speaker 4>I left, y'all? You said it right, I don't hear either.

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<v Speaker 4>I love you, shut up.

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<v Speaker 5>I know when I was alonging to both of y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't even claim Philly. You claim everywhere but Philly.

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<v Speaker 5>That's not true. I claim Philly. Do you claim Philly music?

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<v Speaker 4>I claimed Philly when it's appropriate. I claim Philly when

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<v Speaker 4>it's appropriate, because it's true. It's part of my timeline.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not anything that I can get away from or

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<v Speaker 4>even want to get away from. However, it's very real

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<v Speaker 4>that I left for a lot of reasons. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>I love my people, but my people ain't all the where,

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<v Speaker 4>all the way together. Philadelphia is not necessarily the you know,

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<v Speaker 4>as a timeline of mental health.

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<v Speaker 5>We're about to tell it today, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>And I I just thought the property value was better

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<v Speaker 4>in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm about to learn a lesson.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, you know what I'm saying. Well, I can only

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<v Speaker 4>speak for my timeline. I can't speak for the whole city.

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<v Speaker 4>I can only speak for my timeline, my immediate circle.

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<v Speaker 4>What was happening in my world and what infiltrated my world,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. So according to that, I

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<v Speaker 4>had to make decisions that I thought was better for me,

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<v Speaker 4>for my peace of mind and my mental health. And

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<v Speaker 4>you know, but you can't say that in interviews because

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<v Speaker 4>they like music. You're like, no, that's not what's happening.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just that I'm just being honest with my reality,

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<v Speaker 4>you know. And I had to make sense of it,

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<v Speaker 4>especially being thrusted into the music business with no real guidance,

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<v Speaker 4>no real backup. No real support, no real nurturing, no

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<v Speaker 4>real nothing, and I have to figure it out on

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<v Speaker 4>my own. And then, you know, I can't be bothered

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<v Speaker 4>with people tracking me down and like being on my

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<v Speaker 4>doorstep like like.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I gotta go, that's you, I gotta go. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>never whome that that was, you know, everyone living in

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<v Speaker 3>my house but me.

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<v Speaker 1>So no, I understand that very much. So like sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta go.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I've been I've been in New York for

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<v Speaker 2>ten years now, and I'm only just getting comfortable with

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<v Speaker 2>letting Philly know that I do not live.

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<v Speaker 1>In Philly anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's always this thing that you know, this

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<v Speaker 2>invisible you can't leave.

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<v Speaker 4>Well Philly put to you. But I think it's a

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<v Speaker 4>But I think it's a different thing for you, you

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<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying, And and and your entire crew,

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<v Speaker 4>particularly you and and Reap. But it's y'all represented Philly,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. So I think it's it's y'all.

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<v Speaker 4>Had to be a little more cautious because people associated

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<v Speaker 4>Philly with y'all. People didn't necessarily associate Philly with me.

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<v Speaker 4>They knew I was from Philly, but that wasn't such.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't on your sleeve.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't on my sleeve. Y'all put to sleep, y'all

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<v Speaker 4>put Philly on y'all back, y'all carried Philly. You know what,

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<v Speaker 4>I understand your position is different than mine. Like I

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<v Speaker 4>can slip away and be like, hey, ain't you from Philly? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm from Philly, you know. But then it's a different

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<v Speaker 4>conversation where it's like, bro, you are Philly. Where are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Where were you born?

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<v Speaker 4>What part of Philly I was born in? I don't

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<v Speaker 4>want to say it, no please, Yeah, in West Philadelphia?

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<v Speaker 1>So where's I wait? Where in West Philly? I never

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<v Speaker 1>knew that. I've known you for the longest, and did

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<v Speaker 1>I know you were a.

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<v Speaker 4>West Philadelphia That's another conversation for another day. Uh, I'm here, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>I love you though. I love you though fifty second

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<v Speaker 4>in Gerard that area, yeah yeah. And my people's actually

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<v Speaker 4>didn't find out about So this is about to be

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<v Speaker 4>a rabbit hole, but I'm gonna sent it up.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we're for.

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<v Speaker 4>And there's my dad's side, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>My mom's side is actually from North Philly. My mom's

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<v Speaker 4>side is from you know, seventeenth Jefferson nineteenth and Master

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<v Speaker 4>Dolphins or Squehanna, all of that. My dad is also

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<v Speaker 4>around from their twenty first and Woodstock, all in that area,

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<v Speaker 4>which is funny how they met, you know, because and

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<v Speaker 4>they're both last names of Johnson. Like anyway, But my dad,

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<v Speaker 4>Dad's side, you know, he's from you know, as far

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<v Speaker 4>as I know, he's from fifty fifth and popular, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>around in that area.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>So I was actually raised when I was a kid

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<v Speaker 4>over near Gerard and popular, but like on fifty second.

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<v Speaker 4>But then as I got older, I started moving around

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<v Speaker 4>to my other family, my aunts and uncles and cousins

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<v Speaker 4>and them and all of that. That's why when people

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<v Speaker 4>ask me what part of phil are you from? I

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<v Speaker 4>can't necessarily claim one part because I spent a substantial

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<v Speaker 4>amount of time in multiple places where I can't say

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<v Speaker 4>that I'm I'm strictly west Philly, was strictly south, was

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<v Speaker 4>strictly north. I can't say that because I spent way

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<v Speaker 4>too much time all over Philly, Wow, Germantown, nice town,

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<v Speaker 4>like I spent Philly, you know, all over the place.

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<v Speaker 1>I am I'm fifty second of no sage.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, yeah you move?

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<v Speaker 1>Actually did you? Did you?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you know that it's been re christened as Chestnut

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<v Speaker 2>Not I'm sorry Walnut Hill.

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<v Speaker 1>Gentrification. Why why why why? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I uh I did my uh my, my drive through

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<v Speaker 2>the old spot. I'll say that every June. Speaking of which,

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<v Speaker 2>big big up on doing the picnic with us.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh so yeah, yeah, thanks for thinking of me. Thank

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<v Speaker 4>you appreciate that will come.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know I'm just but I'm just saying that

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<v Speaker 2>when we were scouting looking at when we were headed

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<v Speaker 2>to do our part of the picnic at the man. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I do my usual two hour drive through

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<v Speaker 2>the old neighborhood, ghosts and whatnot. Yeah, and that's when

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<v Speaker 2>I discovered it, Like I discovered No, you look for

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<v Speaker 2>those sit and you want to see what's still standing

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<v Speaker 2>and what's not standing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, for moments.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well of course, you know, fifty second Street was

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<v Speaker 2>hit badly by the riot. So this is the most

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<v Speaker 2>dilapidated I've ever seen that block in my in my

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<v Speaker 2>fifty yeah, no, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Saw it on instant. I was like, y'all just go

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<v Speaker 4>and treat fifty second Street like that, bro, But yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Know it's for me though.

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<v Speaker 2>I even I wasn't discouraged, only because, like I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a personal dream, Like I think my life

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<v Speaker 2>cooled dream is to pull a Kenny Gamble, like refurbish

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<v Speaker 2>it and.

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<v Speaker 1>That thing. So I think this is.

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<v Speaker 4>Leg Philly legacy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, yeah, I dream of I've always dreamed of that,

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<v Speaker 2>and we've actually had our first me to reakan my manager,

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<v Speaker 2>Sean had a kind of like our first conversation of now.

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<v Speaker 4>That if anybody would be perfect for that, it would

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<v Speaker 4>be y'all. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well so so we're we're talking about our our

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<v Speaker 2>third phase. Now what's our legacy? But so, well, it's

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<v Speaker 2>good to know that we share a fifty second street

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<v Speaker 2>in common.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I still I still have my dad, my stepdad

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<v Speaker 4>used to have a table there on on market second Market.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, yo, listen, No, No, it's only because you

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<v Speaker 2>just said a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>Just's you just said a whole lot, bro.

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<v Speaker 2>It's only because I just recently, so as of the speaking,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been DJing a lot of Jackson's on my DJ sets,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm trying to explain to people that I feel

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<v Speaker 2>as the Thriller did so much for the street vendor

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that I never saw street vendors ever

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<v Speaker 2>in my life until the phenomena of Thriller.

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<v Speaker 1>So like.

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<v Speaker 4>Sold itself. It was like crack bro.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know there was just a point where

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, after Thriller, then it came like the boot

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<v Speaker 2>leke tapes and the oils and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea to.

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<v Speaker 4>Answer your question, h.

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<v Speaker 6>He's so well, he didn't sell incense and oils. He

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<v Speaker 6>sold Michael Jackson stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>No lady, So okay, that's what you do. But along

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<v Speaker 4>with the you know, the pirated you know, a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of tapes.

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<v Speaker 1>Ready you know you guys.

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<v Speaker 7>License and he had that, he had that blue Now

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<v Speaker 7>look for an.

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<v Speaker 4>Expect you and you gotta break the table down because

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<v Speaker 4>you know you're not all the way legit because was crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a whole I've been hustling since, been hustling.

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<v Speaker 5>Bro, hustling. That's right. You had the name.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh we don't we don't want to piss off, so

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<v Speaker 4>let's not have that. Want to talk about whatever we

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<v Speaker 4>talk about it, let's do that was a shot. Listen,

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<v Speaker 4>you completely missed it, but it was collected towards I

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<v Speaker 4>was like a little love jab you know. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 4>was the Hustle. It was he had his record, the Hustle.

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<v Speaker 4>I was not a fan of the Hustle. However, you

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<v Speaker 4>know what you want to wait what I was a

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<v Speaker 4>fan of that? I thought you would it went harder on?

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<v Speaker 4>Was the Purple one Purple one music? One second? One second?

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<v Speaker 4>So we're confusing the whole chat right now. So let's

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<v Speaker 4>like thecket one thing at all time. Okay, okay, you

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<v Speaker 4>want to know why you didn't fool with the hustle.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I'm sure that that's it's mildly rhetorical because

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<v Speaker 4>I know, I know you know why you did it.

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<v Speaker 4>But let me tell you the other side why you

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<v Speaker 4>did it. Okay, all right, it's it's like you hating

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<v Speaker 4>on a baby for not knowing how to drive. Oh,

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<v Speaker 4>it wasn't anything yet.

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<v Speaker 5>But the baby shouldn't be listen.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, okay, okay, okay, So very spicy episode. The baby

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<v Speaker 4>wants to drive, The baby doesn't understand, it doesn't have

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<v Speaker 4>the wherewithal to manage that machinery.

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<v Speaker 1>But the baby wants to drive.

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<v Speaker 4>What the baby did and if if you can follow me,

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<v Speaker 4>if you can pass what a baby did would say, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>can someone help me learn how to drive? And everybody

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<v Speaker 4>and their mama was like no, get the fuck out

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<v Speaker 4>the car, and all.

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<v Speaker 5>The professional drivers like yourself. Fonte was like.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, no, no, no, no no to In their defense,

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<v Speaker 4>they should have been like that, like, fam, this is

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<v Speaker 4>not your space. I'm not feeling this. You should stick

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<v Speaker 4>to what you're good at, right, But you can't tell

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<v Speaker 4>a creative person who has a natural motivation to want

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<v Speaker 4>to get into something else. I've been trying to get

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<v Speaker 4>into that and then move in to Atlanta and that's

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<v Speaker 4>all you here. So I wanted to try my hand

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<v Speaker 4>in it. Okay, I'd be the first one to tell

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<v Speaker 4>you it was trash, but I didn't know that it

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<v Speaker 4>was trash at the time because I really want to

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<v Speaker 4>do it, you know what I'm saying. And he's not

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<v Speaker 4>the only person that was like no, I'm not feeling that.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of people told me no. That's why you

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<v Speaker 4>don't really hear about it that much, because I sinsed

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<v Speaker 4>and desist. I'm a you know, gather the data, and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a I'm a figure out and if I can

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<v Speaker 4>find a way how to represent it.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll represent it, but for people to cucle back to

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<v Speaker 6>you though, and no matter what, like you were allowed

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<v Speaker 6>to make if you want to call it the mistake.

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<v Speaker 6>And still people was like, but I foxed with him,

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<v Speaker 6>so yeah, he'sace.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't take it. I didn't take it no way

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<v Speaker 4>in general. In the moment though, it was so crushing

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<v Speaker 4>because of how much I looked up to the homie

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<v Speaker 4>and in the moment, I didn't think about it in

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<v Speaker 4>the way that I'm communicating it right now. I looked

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<v Speaker 4>at it as yoah fam hayten. You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought we was boys, you know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 4>not realizing that in his own respective way, it was

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<v Speaker 4>like tough love, Like no, that's why I but I

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<v Speaker 4>fox with this, you know what I'm saying. But I

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<v Speaker 4>was in my emotional space that I was like, man,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. So that's all that was.

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<v Speaker 4>I was just kind of like spoke since then, so

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<v Speaker 4>this is the first time we're actually even interacting with

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<v Speaker 4>each other comments you know, yeah, this is now. This

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<v Speaker 4>was the first time that like we like like taught

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<v Speaker 4>each other, like seeing each other since at all that's

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<v Speaker 4>been years, man, Like, I mean when we went out

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<v Speaker 4>to dinner, like that was forever ago. We went out

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<v Speaker 4>to dinner, it was like what thirteen twelve or thirteen

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<v Speaker 4>something like that, something.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that, that was a minute ago. But yeah, but yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>The Hustle records, I mean, I didn't like them, but

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<v Speaker 4>I understood, like you were saying, like, you just have

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<v Speaker 4>different outlets of yourself you want to express. So the

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<v Speaker 4>Hulso I didn't like. But the Purple Wonderulf I heard that.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, dude, you could just put this out

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<v Speaker 4>as music because that living life and man's gorgeous, like

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<v Speaker 4>I love the words are free like all that. I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, thank you, But I like, like, Nigga, this

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<v Speaker 4>is it. I know. But but the equivalent of people

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<v Speaker 4>telling me that just calling music, it's like saying, like

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<v Speaker 4>you have another kid and say, why don't you just

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<v Speaker 4>call them the same name you gave the other.

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<v Speaker 1>Kids to you?

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<v Speaker 2>You felt like a difference. I felt likeage. You felt

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<v Speaker 2>like you would damage your not damage the brand, but

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<v Speaker 2>at least that the portal.

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<v Speaker 1>That was music.

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted to leave it alone. I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 4>confuse the narrative because I want to be creative because

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<v Speaker 4>I had, because you got to remember, you got to

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<v Speaker 4>think about it. Actually, Rather at that time, I was

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<v Speaker 4>getting so much pushback, you know what I'm saying, and

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<v Speaker 4>so much feedback and so much shit. This is before

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<v Speaker 4>social media was really popping popping, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>This is just all radio. So these were my relationships

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<v Speaker 4>with people and promoters. These are my relationships with people

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<v Speaker 4>that I engage with for the bag. So I don't

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<v Speaker 4>personally care about what y'all think, but I have to

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<v Speaker 4>professionally care about what y'all think because it affects my

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<v Speaker 4>bottom line. So to not be the dude that's like, man,

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<v Speaker 4>y'all don't know what y'all talking about, because you do.

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<v Speaker 4>It's literally your job, you know what I'm saying, So

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<v Speaker 4>I have to respect it to some degree. But at

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<v Speaker 4>the same time, I got to stand on my own

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<v Speaker 4>like I gotta stand on my shit, like I gotta

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<v Speaker 4>stand on like I know what I'm talking about. At

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<v Speaker 4>that time, I've been added for about a good, cool,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, decade and change, So you mean to tell

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<v Speaker 4>me I don't know what I'm talking about. So I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't have the wherewithal to figure that out. So just

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<v Speaker 4>to answer your question, so, yeah, there is some element

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<v Speaker 4>of Okay, I'm not even gonna mess with what's already established,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. I'm just gonna focus on

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<v Speaker 4>trying to which I wasn't really there yet because I

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<v Speaker 4>was really on some fuck I don't want to do

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<v Speaker 4>this no more because so I had to work through

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<v Speaker 4>that and that took me years, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>But in the meantime, since I'm in Atlanta, I'm being

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<v Speaker 4>constantly influenced by the sound of Atlanta, which was that

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<v Speaker 4>turned up you know, trappy whatever, whatever, And people kept

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<v Speaker 4>asking me like, yo, what you think about this? What

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<v Speaker 4>you think as if to say, but like baiting me

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<v Speaker 4>for confirmation that I'm supposed to say, Yeah, that's trash.

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<v Speaker 4>These kids shouldn't be doing that. That's not real music.

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<v Speaker 4>Why they use an auto tune like that? But I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, no, not only am I I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 4>not do that. I'm actually doubled down, and as a

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<v Speaker 4>show of solidarity, I'm gonna try my hand in it

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<v Speaker 4>because I can't speak on something that I don't do.

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<v Speaker 4>So I said, let me go ahead and do it.

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<v Speaker 4>You know now, I had a whole lot of things

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<v Speaker 4>working against me, because one, I couldn't talk the same

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<v Speaker 4>talk that they talk because I don't I don't walk

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<v Speaker 4>that wall.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't live that life.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't live that life. But I have lived a life,

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<v Speaker 4>and you have lived a life. And that's where the

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<v Speaker 4>name hustle comes from, because regardless of what you're doing,

0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:33.760
<v Speaker 4>you're on your hustle. It's a hustle one way or another.

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<v Speaker 4>So I have that and said, okay, not to say

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<v Speaker 4>that I'm on the streets, you know, you know, with

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<v Speaker 4>freaking work and whatever like. That's not what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a grind, bro. So I'm gonna talk about that,

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<v Speaker 4>but I'm gonna talk about it from a from a

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<v Speaker 4>general perspective. Whatever you about, you have to have this mindset.

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<v Speaker 4>Little that I realized is that I was actually self

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<v Speaker 4>therapratizing myself. I was I was actually talking myself out

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<v Speaker 4>of the rut that I was in. And the same

0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:08.800
<v Speaker 4>thing with Purple that was keeping me zin because that

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<v Speaker 4>many times I wanted to turn up on folks because

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<v Speaker 4>I was that I was very I had no filter,

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<v Speaker 4>I was very short tempered, like I was snapping off

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<v Speaker 4>like in my shows and my my MD be like yo, bro,

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<v Speaker 4>like that. It's like, it's not I'm cussing out my fans,

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<v Speaker 4>Like this ship is frustrating, Bro. These people don't know

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<v Speaker 4>what the fuck they want and I'm giving them what

0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:33.560
<v Speaker 4>they're asking for and they're not satisfied. So when did

0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:36.520
<v Speaker 4>you start to feel like your fans weren't satisfied with

0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:40.160
<v Speaker 4>your output? So again it was again again, it was

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<v Speaker 4>a it was a misunderstanding. You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>When you do stuff long enough, I'm sure that you

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<v Speaker 4>know each of we can attest to it, particularly you know,

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<v Speaker 4>uh questions. When you do stuff along long enough, stuff

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<v Speaker 4>just changes, bro. It just changes. The people that show

0:21:57.080 --> 0:22:01.720
<v Speaker 4>up changes, their palette changes, they expectation changes. It just

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<v Speaker 4>is what it is, man. And it's people that's in

0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:07.920
<v Speaker 4>that crowd that work. They're not today one. They literally

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<v Speaker 4>just got here. But that doesn't make them any less

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<v Speaker 4>of a supporters of a fan And.

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<v Speaker 5>It was a vivor though.

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<v Speaker 6>That's the ill part about this is looking at it

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<v Speaker 6>from the outside end, because you're on the inside of yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, that's of an era like that and still

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<v Speaker 4>being able to but now when you add to it

0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:29.040
<v Speaker 4>that you you personally feel meat it's talking about me now,

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<v Speaker 4>when you personally feel that you haven't even gotten started yet,

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<v Speaker 4>because everyone to be done was request based and you

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<v Speaker 4>were just living up to it because you just wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to stay in the game and get to the bread

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<v Speaker 4>and you didn't want nobody to not include you because

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<v Speaker 4>you didn't want to do that thing. You didn't want

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<v Speaker 4>to do that no one else wanted to do, but

0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:48.000
<v Speaker 4>you wanted to do it though, because you wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>get put on, because you just wanted to feel accepted.

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<v Speaker 6>Can we please talk about these beginning like now I've

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<v Speaker 6>got it, we gotta can we get Mere? I know

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<v Speaker 6>Mere about to get into it, but the beginnings like watching.

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<v Speaker 2>This, no, this is not this is you know it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go like this.

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<v Speaker 4>So well, I was gonna ask you, so I remember

0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:12.919
<v Speaker 4>the last conversation we had, it was, I mean, this

0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:16.600
<v Speaker 4>is a minute ago, but I commended you. And I

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<v Speaker 4>was even talking to my wife the other night about

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<v Speaker 4>when I told him he was having we were having

0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:22.760
<v Speaker 4>you on the show, about how you were always one

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<v Speaker 4>of the people that I admired because you were able

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<v Speaker 4>to play the major label game you know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 4>Like you were you know what I mean, just straight

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<v Speaker 4>up one hundred percent. And you always one of those

0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:35.760
<v Speaker 4>dudes that I admired because I'm like, you know what

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<v Speaker 4>music like, he's on the label, and I'm sure he

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<v Speaker 4>got his shitty go with, but every album he come

0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:44.560
<v Speaker 4>with his jams like he's consistent. He keep a jam

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<v Speaker 4>on the radio and even just his radio jam, but

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<v Speaker 4>then he still got his album cuts to be hard too.

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<v Speaker 1>So to me, you were an example of someone and

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<v Speaker 1>an artist.

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<v Speaker 4>In you know, quotation marks, you know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 4>that was actually playing the major label game, right, yeah,

0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:03.359
<v Speaker 4>you could navigate it. So what when was the point

0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:07.320
<v Speaker 4>where it started to turn Like, Okay, I'm playing the game,

0:24:07.440 --> 0:24:09.240
<v Speaker 4>but now I'm feeling like this shit is starting to

0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:12.320
<v Speaker 4>play me because the other shoe never dropped. And what

0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:15.760
<v Speaker 4>was the other shoe me being able to do what

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<v Speaker 4>I want so to speak, and not one because you

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<v Speaker 4>can do whatever you want whenever you want to do it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's it just hits different when you do what you

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<v Speaker 4>want and it's being supported.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, educate me because right now I'm a blank slate.

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<v Speaker 2>On the last twenty minutes, of conversation. So break it

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<v Speaker 2>down to me like a kindergarten. So when you're in

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<v Speaker 2>a creative space, which I would assume, it starts with

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<v Speaker 2>the song.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm just starting.

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<v Speaker 4>It's starting with yeah, yeah, I'm with you, I'm with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start with the song. Who or what was or

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<v Speaker 2>who was the inner circle of support? Then that would

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<v Speaker 2>metaphorically block down a shot or say nah, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think you should go this direction or do it that way?

0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:09.359
<v Speaker 2>Like was it a was it a was it a

0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:13.360
<v Speaker 2>circle of producers? Was it whoever your manager was?

0:25:13.359 --> 0:25:14.040
<v Speaker 1>Was it exact?

0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:18.760
<v Speaker 2>Or just like you're doing a show or maybe it's

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<v Speaker 2>only seventy percent full? Or like what what? What's the

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<v Speaker 2>process that leads you to the beginning of where you're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about. You're not being able to express yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's what's interesting. You can't imagine how complex.

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<v Speaker 5>That question is.

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<v Speaker 4>You cannot imagine how complex that question is. And I

0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:42.640
<v Speaker 4>will do my very best to be PC. No, fuck PC,

0:25:43.040 --> 0:25:45.960
<v Speaker 4>thank you, thank you, tell you truth. I'm not trying

0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:48.760
<v Speaker 4>to be PC. I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 4>not be long winded.

0:25:52.920 --> 0:26:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Have you met that wind? Questions will you best love when.

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<v Speaker 4>You just want a blamers, go ahead and say, I'm

0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:15.639
<v Speaker 4>gonna say this, get your stick about me. I have

0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:25.359
<v Speaker 4>lecture esque answers go in. So all right, yours said.

0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:28.520
<v Speaker 4>I can say whatever I want, Hey, whatever I want.

0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:31.280
<v Speaker 4>I can say whatever I want, say whatever you want,

0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:35.159
<v Speaker 4>whatever you want. So to answer your question, we have

0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:36.240
<v Speaker 4>to start from the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you what I wanted you to do.

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<v Speaker 4>Please, I like, I like how excited y'all are due yo,

0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:45.520
<v Speaker 4>because some of us.

0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:46.760
<v Speaker 5>Know a little bit of your story. So I'm like,

0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:47.200
<v Speaker 5>this is.

0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:49.760
<v Speaker 1>This is that we are? We're in the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course you would because you were actually part of

0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:58.760
<v Speaker 4>my story. So yeah, I'm here. I mean, no, the

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<v Speaker 4>one above are well to me? It's no.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh ship all right, I hope it's a good part.

0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:08.840
<v Speaker 4>But you always thought it the good part. What do

0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:13.000
<v Speaker 4>you make it's a good part too?

0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:14.239
<v Speaker 5>I know.

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<v Speaker 4>The only one that was the bad part was was

0:27:16.720 --> 0:27:21.440
<v Speaker 4>was anyway? It wasn't even bad.

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:23.720
<v Speaker 5>We're making it better. So that's that's a new day.

0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:27.000
<v Speaker 4>It wasn't even bad. That's the thing. It wasn't even bad.

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<v Speaker 4>So let's start from the beginning. I'm gonna get I

0:27:35.560 --> 0:27:39.280
<v Speaker 4>promise you it's it's it's relevant. Just let me start

0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:44.000
<v Speaker 4>from the beginning. So my home life was ship. You

0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:45.840
<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying. I didn't get along with my

0:27:45.880 --> 0:27:50.879
<v Speaker 4>parents at all for a lot of reasons. That's very

0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:54.040
<v Speaker 4>unnecessary to get into at this point in time. But

0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:58.119
<v Speaker 4>we didn't see at all. I didn't understand how detached

0:27:58.119 --> 0:28:01.239
<v Speaker 4>we were at the time. It was just instinctive, like

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:03.040
<v Speaker 4>I just was like, I need to get the fuck

0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:06.440
<v Speaker 4>out of this house. Here. Are you an only child?

0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:09.040
<v Speaker 4>You have siblings or anything? Oh no, I'm the oldest

0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:09.880
<v Speaker 4>of nine.

0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow.

0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:15.199
<v Speaker 4>Okay, yeah, so there's a whole dynamic with that that

0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:19.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, these ain't my kids. So we're not gonna

0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:20.000
<v Speaker 4>get into that.

0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:20.600
<v Speaker 5>Okay.

0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:25.160
<v Speaker 4>I brought that up to say that I willfully left

0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:27.879
<v Speaker 4>the crib, which left me with nothing. So you have

0:28:27.960 --> 0:28:29.960
<v Speaker 4>to understand I've been sheltered most of my life.

0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:30.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:36.000
<v Speaker 4>There was a cult element that's associated with that. Again,

0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:41.960
<v Speaker 4>unnecessary right now. So I didn't want to be associated

0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:45.920
<v Speaker 4>with nothing that came from that space at all. But

0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:48.040
<v Speaker 4>at the same time, I didn't have the luxury of

0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:51.680
<v Speaker 4>building a relationship with anyone outside of my immediate life.

0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:53.960
<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying, Like, for instance, you know

0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:56.240
<v Speaker 4>you said the thing about the thing with the words,

0:28:56.760 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 4>the collegiate word that you used or whatever. There was

0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:01.200
<v Speaker 4>no way of me knowing that because I never got

0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:04.840
<v Speaker 4>to college. I never even feelished high school, went to

0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:08.800
<v Speaker 4>UNI for one year, didn't even pass freshman year.

0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 5>That's freshman year.

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:12.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and it's because I didn't do the work because

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:16.680
<v Speaker 4>I thought school was dumb. But you know, disenfranchised community, poverty,

0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:20.040
<v Speaker 4>marginalized education. Ou da da da da da da da.

0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:23.520
<v Speaker 4>So I'm like, okay, well what do I do with

0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:26.360
<v Speaker 4>the rest of my life? My stepdad said, well, you're

0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:28.040
<v Speaker 4>not going to just be at the crib. I'm gonna

0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:30.440
<v Speaker 4>put you to work. Here comes in fifty second in

0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:36.240
<v Speaker 4>the market. So I'm learning about life in traffic commerce.

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:39.480
<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying. That was the beginning of

0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:43.840
<v Speaker 4>the hustle. So then fast forward, you know, I started

0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:47.200
<v Speaker 4>making a little bread. You know, I'm working fast food joints.

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:50.400
<v Speaker 4>You know, somebody you know did me a solid a

0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:52.959
<v Speaker 4>week before my eighteenth birthday, gave me a gig. Was

0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:54.719
<v Speaker 4>like teching me, I'm not supposed to hid in seventeen

0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:57.200
<v Speaker 4>year olds. But you know you're about to be eighteen

0:29:57.240 --> 0:29:58.960
<v Speaker 4>in a week or so. You know the process that's

0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:01.520
<v Speaker 4>gonna take the process here, you might as well start today.

0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:04.440
<v Speaker 4>I'm not gonna tell on who that was because you know, well,

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:07.000
<v Speaker 4>the business not even up anymore, so it doesn't even

0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:09.520
<v Speaker 4>matter again, irrelevant. So I started working. I made that

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:12.080
<v Speaker 4>point to say, I started making money. I started making money.

0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 4>I started moving around. I started moving around. I start

0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 4>going to places. One of my favorite places was sixty

0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:18.960
<v Speaker 4>ninth Street. I used to go to sixty ninth Street

0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:21.760
<v Speaker 4>to go watch movies at United Artists Movie Theater. Whenever

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:24.000
<v Speaker 4>that my movie didn't start yet, I would go to

0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:27.080
<v Speaker 4>the Coconuts record store right next door to it, which

0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:34.600
<v Speaker 4>is where I met my manager. Okay, still, well, I

0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:37.959
<v Speaker 4>didn't want my manager at the time, and I met

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:41.400
<v Speaker 4>and I met him through the people that were working there.

0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:43.120
<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying, because you know, we would

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:44.800
<v Speaker 4>go over I would go over there, and because they

0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:47.800
<v Speaker 4>were working at a store, a music store, I you know,

0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 4>was obviously into music, and we would just you know,

0:30:50.520 --> 0:30:52.520
<v Speaker 4>shoot the shit a buy music. You know, people that

0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 4>came out, what you think about this and what you

0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:56.240
<v Speaker 4>think about that. Yo, this group is cool. And it's

0:30:56.240 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 4>around the time Brian McKnight was popping One twelve was popping.

0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:02.280
<v Speaker 4>They did that that whole era. You know, I'm saying

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:07.960
<v Speaker 4>ninety year. I'm just saying, just to place the time. Okay,

0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:10.040
<v Speaker 4>that's all I'm doing. You know what I'm saying. Oh

0:31:10.080 --> 0:31:12.000
<v Speaker 4>you mean like no, no, no, no.

0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:13.240
<v Speaker 5>Okay, because you not say beautiful thing.

0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:17.240
<v Speaker 4>I got you. Okay. Yeah, so you know we're talking.

0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:20.040
<v Speaker 4>We're talking. Then they collectively said, yo, you should meet

0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:22.600
<v Speaker 4>our manager. The manager of the store. He was moving

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:25.600
<v Speaker 4>around because he managed multiple stores. I forget what his

0:31:25.800 --> 0:31:28.080
<v Speaker 4>actual title was, but he was in and out basically

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:29.880
<v Speaker 4>because the one of the dudes that was there was

0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 4>actually the manager of the store, but he was the

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:36.840
<v Speaker 4>manager of that region I guess, you know, the multiple

0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 4>stores of the whatever. So so then he's like, okay, cool.

0:31:42.000 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 4>So I finally meet him, and then he's like, okay, cool,

0:31:44.640 --> 0:31:49.120
<v Speaker 4>you need to meet my partner who was working for

0:31:49.320 --> 0:31:53.800
<v Speaker 4>Universal I think at the time. And they, I guess

0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:56.920
<v Speaker 4>both of them collectively decided, you know, you gotta understand,

0:31:56.960 --> 0:31:59.760
<v Speaker 4>like I'm I'm speculating because I wasn't part of those

0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:03.680
<v Speaker 4>kinds conversation. But if you put it together, like obviously,

0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:07.120
<v Speaker 4>this is what happened. They talked, said, Yo, we got

0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:10.120
<v Speaker 4>a situation where we can help this dude out here

0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 4>it is and enter a Touch of Jazz Studios. I

0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 4>started working at a Touch of Jazz Studios. You know

0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:18.440
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying. Actually, I came in as a background

0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:22.480
<v Speaker 4>singer on a song for for another group who was

0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:28.840
<v Speaker 4>a duo. I will say yes, I will say their name, yeah,

0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 4>because I got nothing beloved for them.

0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Girls.

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:33.800
<v Speaker 4>Man, I got nothing beloved for them girls. Bro to

0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:36.440
<v Speaker 4>this day, we haven't talked and connected in a while,

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:41.479
<v Speaker 4>but I have nothing beloved them. Cool, that's what's up.

0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:43.200
<v Speaker 4>And I need to find a way to reconnect with them.

0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:48.040
<v Speaker 5>But can you extinguish this this rumor? So were you homeless?

0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:48.280
<v Speaker 4>Are not?

0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:48.840
<v Speaker 5>At the time?

0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:51.040
<v Speaker 4>So when I the part when I said I left the.

0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:53.120
<v Speaker 5>Crib, yeah, yeah, okay, so you were home, I.

0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:58.400
<v Speaker 4>Was definitely homeless, well homeless by technicality being of no home. However,

0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:05.280
<v Speaker 4>you know, dependent on the kindness of nomadic. I was nomadic.

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:07.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying that from now on.

0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:09.960
<v Speaker 5>That's why I don't feel bad because he didn't go

0:33:10.000 --> 0:33:10.680
<v Speaker 5>to college either.

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:10.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't.

0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:12.400
<v Speaker 5>He's used the word no.

0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:14.000
<v Speaker 4>No, I don't feel bad about it. I don't feel

0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:15.840
<v Speaker 4>bad about it. I just think that it's an important

0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:20.480
<v Speaker 4>piece of detail to help understand who you know. Yeah,

0:33:21.240 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 4>and I think that a lot of people don't take

0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:25.640
<v Speaker 4>into consideration. Put in their defense, I don't really like

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:27.800
<v Speaker 4>talk about it like that either, you know what I'm saying.

0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 4>So it's very easy for people to perceive me as, oh,

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:34.400
<v Speaker 4>you're that guy. He's like, no, I'm actually a person,

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 4>you know.

0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:39.160
<v Speaker 2>But I apologize that it's okay you No at Black

0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Lily always knew he is the pizza.

0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:44.240
<v Speaker 4>Guy, I know, which is one of the jobs that

0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:47.840
<v Speaker 4>I had so good so as it was so eloquently

0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:51.560
<v Speaker 4>written in his uh, just.

0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:56.240
<v Speaker 1>Like that, it was just like.

0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:03.120
<v Speaker 4>All so, but but so before we continue, you have

0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:06.760
<v Speaker 4>no idea the navigation that I had to do to

0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:10.320
<v Speaker 4>show up to those events. What do you example exactly?

0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:14.279
<v Speaker 1>What not to not go there?

0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:18.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, no, no.

0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:18.960
<v Speaker 1>I used to it was my crib.

0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:22.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'd be calling police doing all right, can I

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:23.359
<v Speaker 2>get these people out of my own?

0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:29.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, now that everything worked out, I'll.

0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:36.880
<v Speaker 4>Be like, yeah, department shows up, yo, beat and yo,

0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:37.760
<v Speaker 4>I call the cops.

0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:39.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Yo, get these s thugs out of my crib.

0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:46.440
<v Speaker 4>Now there were some real ones, bro, the burning beats

0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:49.439
<v Speaker 4>out on my rug. There was there were some real ones, bro.

0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:52.759
<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying. So I'm gonna get back

0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 4>to the you know, the timeline. But just at the time,

0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:58.120
<v Speaker 4>you know, you have you have black Lily, you had

0:34:58.120 --> 0:35:01.560
<v Speaker 4>Willem meanings, you have worse and sounds. You know, he

0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:05.920
<v Speaker 4>had multiple other offshoots and whatever. And I would here's

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:09.759
<v Speaker 4>how my day would go. Okay, So I would be

0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:12.319
<v Speaker 4>at whatever job at the time. It could have been

0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:17.560
<v Speaker 4>burger king McDonald's, Boston Market, the piece of joint, you

0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:22.400
<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying, which ras should comment saw me there?

0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:24.120
<v Speaker 4>Because I saw him about to get in the cabin.

0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:26.120
<v Speaker 4>I ran. I was like, yo, comment he saw me,

0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:28.800
<v Speaker 4>he saw me standing outside. I don't think he made connection.

0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:31.560
<v Speaker 4>I did, and I was like, yo, he was you know,

0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:33.120
<v Speaker 4>hit me with the you know, I was like, okay,

0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:35.520
<v Speaker 4>sore he saw me still doing that? That was yo.

0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:37.719
<v Speaker 4>That day was lit. I was like, that made my day.

0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:40.320
<v Speaker 4>He's a home you know what I'm saying. And whenever

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:43.080
<v Speaker 4>I would get discoveraged of like whether what will whatever

0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 4>happened for me, you know what I'm saying. Stuff like

0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:48.239
<v Speaker 4>that would happen, and I'd be like, oh, okay, so

0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:50.200
<v Speaker 4>I must be on the right track if he's part

0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:55.160
<v Speaker 4>of my day. Okay, cool. Anyway, So I would work

0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:58.319
<v Speaker 4>a job in whatever bread that I would get or

0:35:58.320 --> 0:36:01.640
<v Speaker 4>whatever I would have to but I would have to

0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 4>wait till the weekend because I had a homegirl that

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:06.160
<v Speaker 4>I was rolling with that would get tips because she

0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:08.319
<v Speaker 4>would work at the Hardshell Cafe. I don't know where

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:10.840
<v Speaker 4>it inspired with the hard Rock Cafe now downtown. I

0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:13.680
<v Speaker 4>don't know what it's called market. Yeah, they used to

0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:15.719
<v Speaker 4>call it the hard Shell Cafe and they used to

0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:20.680
<v Speaker 4>sell seafood and stuff, and she would get tips every day.

0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:23.080
<v Speaker 4>This is around the time when when I Lost Ones

0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:25.200
<v Speaker 4>came out, and I remember because I was like, yo, girl,

0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:27.319
<v Speaker 4>you gotta listen. Yo, you got to listen to this

0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:29.319
<v Speaker 4>record because she was come to doing this whole poet thing.

0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:32.280
<v Speaker 4>I was like, dude, you got to listen to this record.

0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:35.640
<v Speaker 4>You know, it's funny how money changed she went. I

0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:39.040
<v Speaker 4>was like, yo, this is a genius. All these Asians.

0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:41.960
<v Speaker 4>I didn't know it was so many Asians you know

0:36:42.040 --> 0:36:45.680
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying. Anyway, she would make tips every day

0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:48.279
<v Speaker 4>and if she could get like fifty dollars that day,

0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:51.040
<v Speaker 4>she could work up fifty dollars that day. We would both,

0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:53.719
<v Speaker 4>you know, bust down on a room because she ain't

0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:58.759
<v Speaker 4>had nowhere to stay. Oh wow, say somewhere in the

0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:00.640
<v Speaker 4>downtown there we would pick one which everyone had a

0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:02.399
<v Speaker 4>vacancy because at the time, I don't know if it's

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:04.200
<v Speaker 4>like that now, there were places that would sell off

0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:08.480
<v Speaker 4>rooms for at night, not down okay. So and it

0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:11.600
<v Speaker 4>got kind of sketchy because you know, it's a very

0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:16.080
<v Speaker 4>interesting name, so you know what I'm saying. But you know,

0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:18.880
<v Speaker 4>but she was about that life. But you know, I

0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:22.000
<v Speaker 4>had to use whatever because I was a very resourceful dude,

0:37:22.280 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 4>and we was cool. So she got a room and

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:28.920
<v Speaker 4>you know, and I would be like you good, you said, okay, cool,

0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:30.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm about to run down to the to the me.

0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:34.120
<v Speaker 4>And this was like weekly. You know what I'm saying.

0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:37.520
<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't tell nobody that I was, you know, huh nomadic,

0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:41.200
<v Speaker 4>but I would just show up. You know what I'm saying, people,

0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:43.160
<v Speaker 4>Oh there you go where you bet? I'm like, not nothing,

0:37:43.200 --> 0:37:45.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm here. Now let's go. You know what I'm saying, Oh,

0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:48.319
<v Speaker 4>fire and ice at Willhelminas, you know with with uh

0:37:48.360 --> 0:37:51.239
<v Speaker 4>uh uh Jeff Bradshaw. You know what I'm saying, old

0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:56.680
<v Speaker 4>boy with the trumpet. No, Jafar, Yeah, Jafar played trumpet

0:37:56.840 --> 0:38:00.280
<v Speaker 4>and and uh and uh Jeff played the trombone. Shouts

0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:02.640
<v Speaker 4>out to them. So that that was I was just

0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:04.959
<v Speaker 4>saying that to say, like my daily life in trying

0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:06.400
<v Speaker 4>to show up to all of those spaces. You know

0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:08.640
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying, what's interesting. But anyway, that's part of

0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:13.000
<v Speaker 4>the timeline as well. So fast forward to me recording

0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:16.440
<v Speaker 4>all through ninety eight, right, I'm recording all of these songs,

0:38:16.840 --> 0:38:17.800
<v Speaker 4>none of these songs.

0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:18.520
<v Speaker 1>Whoa, whoa, whoa.

0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:21.960
<v Speaker 2>You can't fast forward because what was the moment from

0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:26.680
<v Speaker 2>this everyday existence of finding a place to live and

0:38:26.719 --> 0:38:31.360
<v Speaker 2>all those things to finding your voice? Yeah, finding a

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:32.800
<v Speaker 2>voice and singing.

0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:35.400
<v Speaker 4>And I'm trying to answer that question.

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:38.480
<v Speaker 1>All right, My bad, My bad, Okay, Okay, No, he's

0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:40.640
<v Speaker 1>in ninety eight. Okay, God wow.

0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:43.239
<v Speaker 4>I'm trying to I'm trying to answer the question. This

0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:45.439
<v Speaker 4>is the things that a lot of people do. They

0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:48.879
<v Speaker 4>try to rationalize the timeline when I when I tell

0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:50.919
<v Speaker 4>it to them, because they're like, this doesn't make any sense,

0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:55.680
<v Speaker 4>and I'm telling you it doesn't, but it happened. Okay, Okay,

0:38:55.760 --> 0:38:59.879
<v Speaker 4>So I haven't recorded in the studio prior to them.

0:39:00.360 --> 0:39:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:02.680
<v Speaker 4>It was this one time somebody introduced me to their

0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:05.520
<v Speaker 4>dad crib and he had a console in his living

0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:08.880
<v Speaker 4>room and the closet was the booth. You know what

0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:10.799
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying that we did like one song that I

0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:12.840
<v Speaker 4>cannot ever remember with that song.

0:39:13.840 --> 0:39:15.839
<v Speaker 6>But you had sang before? That's the question I think

0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:17.640
<v Speaker 6>a mirror was trying to say, like you had known what.

0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 5>You can sing.

0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:21.640
<v Speaker 4>I've always sang what do you mean my whole life?

0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:24.279
<v Speaker 4>My whole life? I remember, for instance, okay, let's go back.

0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:28.520
<v Speaker 4>I remember I went to Heston Elementary and our graduation

0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:31.000
<v Speaker 4>song was Man in the Mirror. They have a person

0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:34.040
<v Speaker 4>that was supposed to sing the lead. He wasn't singing

0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:37.200
<v Speaker 4>it right. I kept correcting him, like, no, it doesn't

0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:39.239
<v Speaker 4>go like that. You got to sing it like this.

0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:43.719
<v Speaker 4>And my teacher was like, you're the one that I

0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:47.560
<v Speaker 4>always could sing. But I thought that there was something

0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:51.800
<v Speaker 4>that everybody could do. You could ride a bike, I

0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:53.319
<v Speaker 4>can ride a bike. Yeah, you could ride a bike.

0:39:54.000 --> 0:39:56.920
<v Speaker 4>I climbate tree. You can climbate tree. I could backflip.

0:39:56.960 --> 0:40:00.439
<v Speaker 4>You could backflip. I could sing. You could sing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't.

0:40:00.840 --> 0:40:03.080
<v Speaker 4>I didn't. I didn't understand. I didn't. I didn't understand

0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:04.600
<v Speaker 4>that it didn't quite work like that.

0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:06.279
<v Speaker 5>When you figure that out, when you figured ou out,

0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:06.960
<v Speaker 5>it didn't work like.

0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:15.560
<v Speaker 4>When people when people when you hurt it back like

0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:18.239
<v Speaker 4>I guess, I guess we all we are all not

0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:21.200
<v Speaker 4>the same, you know what I'm saying. And I was

0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:25.600
<v Speaker 4>always supportive, like yeah, you know, no, just keep going.

0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:29.719
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure you know, I know, you know. And then

0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:32.160
<v Speaker 4>I started getting with different squads and crews that would

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:35.200
<v Speaker 4>go to you know, creative and performing arts schools. You know.

0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:36.600
<v Speaker 4>I would hang out with the church kids cause I

0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:38.719
<v Speaker 4>wasn't raised in the church, you know what I'm saying,

0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:40.960
<v Speaker 4>But I hung around a lot of church kids, the

0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:42.960
<v Speaker 4>p ks. They would tell me about the experiences. I'd

0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:45.879
<v Speaker 4>be like, wow, that's interesting, like won't you just leave?

0:40:47.200 --> 0:40:50.080
<v Speaker 4>And it's like, it doesn't. It doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't.

0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:52.200
<v Speaker 4>It doesn't work like that. It doesn't it doesn't work

0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:54.640
<v Speaker 4>like that, because you know, I'm like, I left. You

0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:58.120
<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying. You know, it don't work like that.

0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:02.880
<v Speaker 4>So I learned how to sing through being around singers,

0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:05.400
<v Speaker 4>being around musicians, Like I would go to jazz clubs.

0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:07.160
<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying. This is around the time

0:41:07.200 --> 0:41:09.080
<v Speaker 4>where I met Balaud. You know what I'm saying. I

0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:11.000
<v Speaker 4>will go to the Fun. Fact I wanted to be

0:41:11.040 --> 0:41:14.759
<v Speaker 4>in the group and somebody suggested Blaud and somebody gave

0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:19.239
<v Speaker 4>me his phone number and I called him. He cold

0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:23.239
<v Speaker 4>call him, yeah, and I was like, ask him about

0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:25.799
<v Speaker 4>it if he remembers. And I was like, you know, hey,

0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:28.480
<v Speaker 4>you know, what's up is music? And he asked me

0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:34.880
<v Speaker 4>one of the most obscure questions ever, something like I'm paraphrasing,

0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:36.759
<v Speaker 4>you would have to ask him for the details. But

0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:40.920
<v Speaker 4>it hit me. I was on the phone like the

0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:45.080
<v Speaker 4>Fun and it was something like who was the first

0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:48.080
<v Speaker 4>person that to call music music?

0:41:50.440 --> 0:42:01.120
<v Speaker 8>I was like, yeah, how is you coming at me

0:42:01.280 --> 0:42:03.520
<v Speaker 8>like this like from a grouper?

0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:13.120
<v Speaker 4>No? You know, And he would help Daz so you know,

0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:15.680
<v Speaker 4>later on, you know, we eventually started to get to

0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:18.000
<v Speaker 4>know each other. He invited me to his crib. I

0:42:18.000 --> 0:42:20.040
<v Speaker 4>would have invited him to mind if I had one.

0:42:20.080 --> 0:42:22.440
<v Speaker 4>But I met his mom, I met his brother. I

0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:23.839
<v Speaker 4>think I met his brother. No, it was I ain't

0:42:23.840 --> 0:42:25.960
<v Speaker 4>meet his brother at the time. No, I didn't. I

0:42:26.000 --> 0:42:27.480
<v Speaker 4>thought it was his brother. But it was just a

0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:30.000
<v Speaker 4>dude that he went to school with that played trumpet

0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:35.720
<v Speaker 4>or trombone or whatever. And so I met his crib

0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:40.880
<v Speaker 4>and he was like he sat down. He was like, Okay,

0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:47.399
<v Speaker 4>go ahead, sing something. I was like, uh, I didn't

0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:52.560
<v Speaker 4>know that this was an audition but or whatever. So

0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:58.080
<v Speaker 4>I'm like okay, uh. And and this is the time

0:42:58.120 --> 0:43:00.759
<v Speaker 4>where I had a whole lot of hair, but you know,

0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:03.160
<v Speaker 4>I didn't like have it like whatever. So I just

0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:05.000
<v Speaker 4>you know, we have a whole lot of hair, you

0:43:05.040 --> 0:43:06.920
<v Speaker 4>just stuff it in a hat, you know what I'm saying.

0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:10.520
<v Speaker 4>He was like, take take your head off. I was like,

0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:18.520
<v Speaker 4>the fuck is this nick? Fuck? You know what the hell?

0:43:18.640 --> 0:43:21.279
<v Speaker 7>My hat gotta be being on. Gotta do with the

0:43:21.280 --> 0:43:25.200
<v Speaker 7>way that that sound, bro. And It's like I never

0:43:25.280 --> 0:43:29.680
<v Speaker 7>thought about this since then until just now. So you know,

0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:32.120
<v Speaker 7>I'm like, okay, whatever, I take my head off.

0:43:32.160 --> 0:43:35.080
<v Speaker 4>So now I'm awkward and uncomfortable because I have, you know,

0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:37.920
<v Speaker 4>insecurity issues and self esteem issues. Because I come from

0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:41.520
<v Speaker 4>a fucked up, non nurturing, neglectful background. But he doesn't

0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:44.440
<v Speaker 4>know that I'm triggering in trauma, traumatized. But you know,

0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:46.319
<v Speaker 4>I want this dude to be part of my group.

0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:48.920
<v Speaker 4>So I'm gonna do whatever he say. Plus I'm in

0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:52.960
<v Speaker 4>his house. His mom's is cool. I'm I'm I'm gonna

0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:55.680
<v Speaker 4>take my hat off, you know what I'm saying. He

0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:57.560
<v Speaker 4>all like, and plus you know, he looked like a

0:43:57.640 --> 0:44:01.239
<v Speaker 4>super like, clean cut jazz guy, you know. So I'm like,

0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:03.239
<v Speaker 4>I'm not gonna disrespect his dude in his own home.

0:44:03.320 --> 0:44:03.440
<v Speaker 6>Bro.

0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:06.720
<v Speaker 4>So okay. So I think I sung up Brian McKnight

0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:10.040
<v Speaker 4>song or whatever, and I think his reaction was like, okay,

0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:14.160
<v Speaker 4>all right, And I think he made reference to the

0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:15.840
<v Speaker 4>fact that I did a whole bunch of runs and

0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:20.880
<v Speaker 4>stuff or whatever, and that was that. And then I

0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:22.919
<v Speaker 4>probably saw him like maybe like once or twice since

0:44:22.960 --> 0:44:28.400
<v Speaker 4>then or whatever. But not too long after that, I

0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:30.200
<v Speaker 4>heard I was looking for him and somebody was like, yo,

0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:32.480
<v Speaker 4>he moved to New York. You know what I'm saying.

0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:35.120
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, damn, Like, so now you know, I ain't

0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:36.879
<v Speaker 4>never got my chance to like put the group together.

0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:38.719
<v Speaker 4>Or whatever, so that kind of the next time I

0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:42.000
<v Speaker 4>saw him, the dude have full ahead of locks. You

0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:44.680
<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying. He was looking like a nomad,

0:44:45.680 --> 0:44:47.680
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying, Totally different than how I

0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:50.680
<v Speaker 4>met him, you know what I'm saying. And you know,

0:44:50.719 --> 0:44:52.880
<v Speaker 4>he's just he looked way more relaxed, you know what

0:44:52.920 --> 0:44:55.160
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying. I was like, Oh, that dude probably found

0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:59.200
<v Speaker 4>his shit. You think about me, okay, But.

0:44:59.280 --> 0:45:01.799
<v Speaker 2>One question, Uh, the group that you were trying to

0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:07.160
<v Speaker 2>form in your mind, what what was the level group

0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:09.319
<v Speaker 2>you were trying to performs like modern R and B

0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:11.200
<v Speaker 2>group like I didn't know.

0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:13.880
<v Speaker 4>Well, obviously that because that's what I was inspired by,

0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:16.279
<v Speaker 4>But ultimately it would have been something in the realm

0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:19.480
<v Speaker 4>of hip hop soul, you know what I'm saying. And

0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:22.080
<v Speaker 4>I wanted all three of us to be independently dope.

0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:23.520
<v Speaker 4>I didn't want it to be a thing where all

0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:25.160
<v Speaker 4>three of us, you know, one of us was dope

0:45:25.160 --> 0:45:28.160
<v Speaker 4>and then the other carrying the other two kind of situation. No,

0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:30.680
<v Speaker 4>this is nobody if that's your dynamic in your group,

0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:33.720
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying, situation. But I was heavily

0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:36.560
<v Speaker 4>inspired by one twelve because to me, they were all leads,

0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:39.160
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. So I was like, it

0:45:39.160 --> 0:45:41.000
<v Speaker 4>would be dope to be in a group where all

0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:43.000
<v Speaker 4>but I'm not gonna do four people, but you can't

0:45:43.000 --> 0:45:45.640
<v Speaker 4>do just two, so let's do three. That's a nice, cool,

0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:49.959
<v Speaker 4>easy number, you know what I'm saying. So nobody could

0:45:49.960 --> 0:45:52.520
<v Speaker 4>direct me to, nobody that was interested or even you know,

0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:56.400
<v Speaker 4>able to, but some everybody kept saying, yo, blive bliah

0:45:56.440 --> 0:45:59.479
<v Speaker 4>blah balah, blah blah blah, and I'm like, okay, cool,

0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:01.200
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. It's just like ninety six,

0:46:01.280 --> 0:46:02.480
<v Speaker 4>ninety seven something like that.

0:46:03.280 --> 0:46:05.920
<v Speaker 6>I'm so glad that didn't happen. You don't even as

0:46:05.920 --> 0:46:07.920
<v Speaker 6>a fan, you don't even understand. We got so much

0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:09.439
<v Speaker 6>more music. Y'all be in the park.

0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:10.239
<v Speaker 5>Thank you.

0:46:10.360 --> 0:46:11.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know what I'm saying, which is why I'm

0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:14.800
<v Speaker 4>grateful that to happen. So again, me seeing him coming

0:46:14.840 --> 0:46:18.799
<v Speaker 4>back from from New York, because apparently he was going

0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:21.239
<v Speaker 4>to university for that, go to school for that, I

0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:24.360
<v Speaker 4>was like, Damn, I probably should have stayed in school

0:46:25.239 --> 0:46:27.279
<v Speaker 4>because if I stayed in school, I probably would have

0:46:27.280 --> 0:46:30.200
<v Speaker 4>been I probably would have had a better chance at

0:46:30.360 --> 0:46:33.200
<v Speaker 4>being better educated in music and out of that, I

0:46:33.280 --> 0:46:35.360
<v Speaker 4>was supposed to go to Overbrook, but because where I

0:46:35.440 --> 0:46:39.080
<v Speaker 4>was living, I wasn't eligible to go to Overbrooks, so

0:46:39.120 --> 0:46:41.719
<v Speaker 4>they sent me to, you know, this other school. So

0:46:41.840 --> 0:46:43.800
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure if I would have went to Overbrook, h

0:46:44.160 --> 0:46:47.480
<v Speaker 4>then I would have I probably would have kept up

0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:47.799
<v Speaker 4>with it.

0:46:48.719 --> 0:46:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Overbrook is Will Smith's sorry, just explained to our listeners

0:46:54.000 --> 0:46:54.400
<v Speaker 2>right now.

0:46:54.760 --> 0:46:58.440
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we were at a touch of jazz and we

0:46:58.480 --> 0:46:59.120
<v Speaker 5>didn't even get there.

0:46:59.760 --> 0:47:01.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, we we We're coming back to that.

0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:02.000
<v Speaker 5>Okay.

0:47:02.239 --> 0:47:08.959
<v Speaker 4>So while I'm being a nomad so to speak, I'm

0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:11.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm I'm I'm finding myself in all of these weird

0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:15.879
<v Speaker 4>spaces of you know, feeling inadequate, not feeling good enough,

0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:18.680
<v Speaker 4>not knowing what I'm doing, not having the support, not

0:47:18.800 --> 0:47:21.560
<v Speaker 4>having nobody to guide me, help me, teach me, you

0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:23.600
<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying. But at the same time, I'm

0:47:23.640 --> 0:47:27.560
<v Speaker 4>constantly being inspired by everybody around me. You know what

0:47:27.600 --> 0:47:31.839
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying. There's blood, there's jail, there's there's there's now,

0:47:31.880 --> 0:47:33.520
<v Speaker 4>there's flower tree. You know what I'm saying, all the

0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:37.840
<v Speaker 4>way from freaking Europe. You know what I'm saying, Uh,

0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:41.680
<v Speaker 4>there's there's the Jaguar right Kindred the family. So there's

0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:45.480
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying, Glenn Lewis from Canada, There's there's,

0:47:45.520 --> 0:47:47.799
<v Speaker 4>there's there's you guys. You know what I'm saying. Like

0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:51.680
<v Speaker 4>I've been I've been on you guys since since ninety three,

0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:54.920
<v Speaker 4>ninety four, you know what I'm saying, Like, like, what

0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:57.759
<v Speaker 4>is nobody is saying? Who is these people? You know

0:47:57.800 --> 0:47:59.480
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying? And this is when I was really

0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:01.920
<v Speaker 4>getting into hip hop because I never really got into

0:48:02.000 --> 0:48:05.239
<v Speaker 4>hip hop because I never could completely identify with the

0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:11.480
<v Speaker 4>with the aggression, you know what I'm saying, conversation right, No,

0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:17.440
<v Speaker 4>But it's like the reason why, the reason why is

0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:19.879
<v Speaker 4>because I get that every day, Like I don't want

0:48:19.920 --> 0:48:22.680
<v Speaker 4>to hear that in music that I'm trying to like,

0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:27.120
<v Speaker 4>you know, you're trying. So when so when you know

0:48:27.239 --> 0:48:30.719
<v Speaker 4>I'm hearing you know, reek over real live drums, I'm like,

0:48:30.800 --> 0:48:35.359
<v Speaker 4>this is amazing. I've never heard this before. I mean,

0:48:35.440 --> 0:48:38.279
<v Speaker 4>yeah it was tried, Yeah, there was daylight. Yeah, but

0:48:39.040 --> 0:48:41.839
<v Speaker 4>we talk about Philly now like and they right down

0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:47.880
<v Speaker 4>the street, like this hits different, you know what I'm saying. So,

0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:50.120
<v Speaker 4>and that's around the time where I got up with

0:48:50.160 --> 0:48:53.200
<v Speaker 4>my with my dad's family out fifty fifth and Populace.

0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:56.000
<v Speaker 4>I was going through it, bro, like I was, that's

0:48:56.040 --> 0:48:57.799
<v Speaker 4>a whole nother story. It is like my whole life.

0:48:57.840 --> 0:49:05.319
<v Speaker 4>And he decided to tell me today, Okay, you're in.

0:49:05.280 --> 0:49:06.920
<v Speaker 5>The book, in a book. It's gonna be a book.

0:49:07.080 --> 0:49:08.680
<v Speaker 4>There's a book you need.

0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:09.400
<v Speaker 1>There's a book.

0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:11.200
<v Speaker 5>Book, write a book.

0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:14.759
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna have to your life one day.

0:49:15.040 --> 0:49:16.400
<v Speaker 5>No, no, what are you saying?

0:49:16.560 --> 0:49:16.680
<v Speaker 6>Right?

0:49:17.320 --> 0:49:20.240
<v Speaker 5>It was a shot okay because you because.

0:49:19.880 --> 0:49:22.040
<v Speaker 4>Like it would have to series. It would have to

0:49:22.120 --> 0:49:24.160
<v Speaker 4>be a series, bro, And I just ain't got that

0:49:24.280 --> 0:49:27.200
<v Speaker 4>kind of time right now. Maybe later, at some point,

0:49:27.280 --> 0:49:33.799
<v Speaker 4>you know, if the universe allows it, it'll happen. You're

0:49:33.800 --> 0:49:37.840
<v Speaker 4>just gonna tell me, okay. So all of this, in

0:49:37.960 --> 0:49:42.799
<v Speaker 4>all of these compromising, unstable spaces, I'm still looking for

0:49:42.880 --> 0:49:46.920
<v Speaker 4>who who am? I? So I begin recording still having

0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:49.280
<v Speaker 4>found that out, Which is why I said this request

0:49:49.360 --> 0:49:52.279
<v Speaker 4>based because back to Touch of Jazz, I got called

0:49:52.320 --> 0:49:55.800
<v Speaker 4>in as a you know, to sing background, and ultimately

0:49:55.840 --> 0:49:58.440
<v Speaker 4>started recording songs because the person that I was working

0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:02.000
<v Speaker 4>with was like, yo, you're a open uh we should

0:50:02.080 --> 0:50:06.279
<v Speaker 4>do something about that. So now and who was that

0:50:06.320 --> 0:50:09.120
<v Speaker 4>you were working? Was it a producer? It was it

0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:11.839
<v Speaker 4>was the engineer at the time, you know what I'm saying,

0:50:11.840 --> 0:50:14.239
<v Speaker 4>because he would get the off hours, you know what

0:50:14.280 --> 0:50:16.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying. So he would get the off hours and

0:50:16.920 --> 0:50:18.680
<v Speaker 4>he could do whatever you want. You locked up, you

0:50:18.719 --> 0:50:19.359
<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying.

0:50:19.920 --> 0:50:21.560
<v Speaker 1>And who was that? Whoe was that?

0:50:21.600 --> 0:50:25.719
<v Speaker 4>Carvin Hagen's his name is got you and he was like, yo,

0:50:25.920 --> 0:50:29.280
<v Speaker 4>I gotta I got a producer. You know who got beats?

0:50:29.400 --> 0:50:30.640
<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying. If you want to start

0:50:30.640 --> 0:50:32.919
<v Speaker 4>working on some ship, you know what I'm saying, then

0:50:33.080 --> 0:50:35.319
<v Speaker 4>you know we can get into that. And so Carvin says,

0:50:35.360 --> 0:50:36.920
<v Speaker 4>you know, I have this producer that you got these

0:50:36.920 --> 0:50:39.080
<v Speaker 4>beats or whatever. So now by then I'm already back

0:50:39.080 --> 0:50:41.759
<v Speaker 4>and forth between Philly and Atlanta. So everybody, you know,

0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:44.920
<v Speaker 4>I don't understand, like I didn't just decide Atlanta, you know,

0:50:44.920 --> 0:50:47.360
<v Speaker 4>out of a pick of a hat, like I already

0:50:47.400 --> 0:50:50.960
<v Speaker 4>have a relationship with the city, you know what I'm saying.

0:50:51.080 --> 0:50:52.920
<v Speaker 4>So when it came time to think about where am

0:50:52.920 --> 0:50:54.680
<v Speaker 4>I going to go, well, I know people in Atlanta,

0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:57.319
<v Speaker 4>and let me just start there. So that's how that

0:50:57.360 --> 0:51:00.200
<v Speaker 4>move was that place was decided. If it was l

0:51:00.239 --> 0:51:02.760
<v Speaker 4>A would have been la for which would have been Chicago.

0:51:02.800 --> 0:51:04.319
<v Speaker 4>If it was New York, it would have been New York.

0:51:04.360 --> 0:51:06.160
<v Speaker 1>But for Atlanta.

0:51:08.320 --> 0:51:10.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, yeah, I haven't. That's why. That's why I

0:51:10.920 --> 0:51:13.239
<v Speaker 4>said that, you know what I'm saying. So you know,

0:51:13.680 --> 0:51:17.279
<v Speaker 4>Pop would be asking, you know, why Atlanta because I

0:51:17.719 --> 0:51:20.759
<v Speaker 4>got people in Atlanta, you know. And I'm bringing it

0:51:20.840 --> 0:51:22.440
<v Speaker 4>up to say I was back and forth and I

0:51:22.440 --> 0:51:25.759
<v Speaker 4>would take Greyhound because I've never known before. Yeah, I know,

0:51:25.920 --> 0:51:30.440
<v Speaker 4>I know, I understand. How how how how how infinitely

0:51:30.520 --> 0:51:34.920
<v Speaker 4>dangerous that trip was. I couldn't ever imagined, you know

0:51:34.960 --> 0:51:35.479
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying.

0:51:36.600 --> 0:51:39.000
<v Speaker 5>And it takes the bus like more than tuesdays.

0:51:39.480 --> 0:51:41.680
<v Speaker 4>And the time that I was going was I had

0:51:41.719 --> 0:51:43.239
<v Speaker 4>to go, and I had to go in the peak

0:51:43.239 --> 0:51:45.480
<v Speaker 4>hours because you know, I had no bread, so I

0:51:45.520 --> 0:51:49.160
<v Speaker 4>had to go. I would leave at night and I

0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:50.600
<v Speaker 4>would get to Atlanta in the morning.

0:51:51.120 --> 0:51:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, is it called a red eye on a bus?

0:51:57.160 --> 0:52:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Well? Then, so you and Maka moves to Georgia even

0:52:06.080 --> 0:52:09.520
<v Speaker 1>when making Mama Mama, I want to sing, I just

0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:10.240
<v Speaker 1>want to say.

0:52:12.920 --> 0:52:13.560
<v Speaker 5>That was a play.

0:52:16.800 --> 0:52:17.759
<v Speaker 1>I just want to sing.

0:52:17.960 --> 0:52:21.720
<v Speaker 4>Sorry, yeah, exactly exactly, and it's a funny uh reason

0:52:21.960 --> 0:52:24.239
<v Speaker 4>reasoning behind that the name that name I just want

0:52:24.280 --> 0:52:27.839
<v Speaker 4>to say, but it's not really that funny. Uh, it's

0:52:28.080 --> 0:52:29.160
<v Speaker 4>interesting anyway.

0:52:29.920 --> 0:52:30.319
<v Speaker 1>Let that deep.

0:52:31.719 --> 0:52:33.880
<v Speaker 4>So, yes, I'm back and forth. I'm saying that to

0:52:33.880 --> 0:52:38.600
<v Speaker 4>say because the recording process of what ultimately became, I

0:52:38.640 --> 0:52:42.880
<v Speaker 4>just want to sing what's during me commuting back and forth,

0:52:43.400 --> 0:52:46.879
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying between Philly and Atlanta, because

0:52:46.880 --> 0:52:48.759
<v Speaker 4>I'm trying to figure my life out. I don't know

0:52:48.760 --> 0:52:50.560
<v Speaker 4>where to stay. Like you know, it's the one time

0:52:50.719 --> 0:52:53.040
<v Speaker 4>I was doing the open mic you know, situation and

0:52:53.080 --> 0:52:55.040
<v Speaker 4>there was some some college kids that was kind of

0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:58.240
<v Speaker 4>like running the situation and I was there and they

0:52:57.880 --> 0:52:59.520
<v Speaker 4>were They was like, Yo, so what you about to

0:52:59.520 --> 0:53:01.440
<v Speaker 4>do now? And I'm I'm like, man, I don't know, bro,

0:53:01.600 --> 0:53:03.400
<v Speaker 4>just trying to figure out where I'm living, you know

0:53:03.480 --> 0:53:05.680
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying, Just trying to figure that out. They're like,

0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:07.480
<v Speaker 4>what what you mean? Figure out where you're living? Oh? Yeah,

0:53:07.480 --> 0:53:08.719
<v Speaker 4>I don't have no place to stay, So you know,

0:53:08.760 --> 0:53:10.480
<v Speaker 4>I'm just I got to figure it out because I

0:53:10.480 --> 0:53:13.560
<v Speaker 4>had was I had just was living with somebody and

0:53:13.600 --> 0:53:16.719
<v Speaker 4>his mom was paying his rent. But then she was like, Yo,

0:53:16.760 --> 0:53:20.480
<v Speaker 4>this is your last month, so you can come live

0:53:20.520 --> 0:53:23.200
<v Speaker 4>with me, but your friend, all your little friends, they're

0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:24.920
<v Speaker 4>gonna have to like figure that out, you know what

0:53:24.960 --> 0:53:26.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying. So he hit me with that, and I

0:53:26.719 --> 0:53:31.359
<v Speaker 4>was like, wow, Now here's what's interesting. They lived on

0:53:31.600 --> 0:53:32.920
<v Speaker 4>forty fourth and Pine.

0:53:33.440 --> 0:53:35.400
<v Speaker 1>I know where that is my neighborhood.

0:53:35.960 --> 0:53:39.320
<v Speaker 4>Cool exactly College area, blah blah blah. Yeah, the people

0:53:39.360 --> 0:53:42.759
<v Speaker 4>that I did the open mic with, they lived on

0:53:42.840 --> 0:53:45.799
<v Speaker 4>forty fifth and what was that old sage? I think, well,

0:53:45.800 --> 0:53:48.520
<v Speaker 4>what was it? It? Sage? It was? It was what's

0:53:48.560 --> 0:53:49.840
<v Speaker 4>the next block over from Pine?

0:53:50.680 --> 0:53:53.160
<v Speaker 1>Locus Locus? Spruce?

0:53:53.840 --> 0:53:56.400
<v Speaker 4>No, you're right, Scruce, My bad, my bad, spruce, spruce, Spruce,

0:53:56.800 --> 0:54:00.080
<v Speaker 4>forty fifth and Spruce literally on the same block. You

0:54:00.120 --> 0:54:02.680
<v Speaker 4>just bust the corner and walk up, and I'm like,

0:54:03.160 --> 0:54:05.040
<v Speaker 4>y'all can't live here. I've been living here this whole

0:54:05.120 --> 0:54:07.200
<v Speaker 4>year and I never seen y'all what you mean, Like, yeah,

0:54:07.200 --> 0:54:10.840
<v Speaker 4>we live right here. Wow. So I essentially didn't have

0:54:10.880 --> 0:54:13.719
<v Speaker 4>to move anywhere. I just went around the block. So

0:54:13.719 --> 0:54:15.879
<v Speaker 4>it's like a lot of little things like that that's

0:54:15.920 --> 0:54:17.919
<v Speaker 4>happened in my life that I'd be like, I don't

0:54:17.920 --> 0:54:19.880
<v Speaker 4>know what that is? I didn't. I didn't do that,

0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:22.000
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. And that's where I get

0:54:22.080 --> 0:54:25.600
<v Speaker 4>my sense of you know, faith if you will, from

0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:28.120
<v Speaker 4>because my spirituality is already it was it was, it

0:54:28.160 --> 0:54:33.560
<v Speaker 4>was my sense of spirituality was tainted basically, So God, God,

0:54:33.800 --> 0:54:35.560
<v Speaker 4>who and what is that? Now?

0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:39.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm open and over another thing? Were you assuming your Philly?

0:54:40.120 --> 0:54:44.239
<v Speaker 2>It's damn near impossible to live in Philly and not

0:54:44.640 --> 0:54:52.359
<v Speaker 2>at least have like twelve like Muslim relatives like deep

0:54:52.400 --> 0:54:56.360
<v Speaker 2>in were you? Did you start in a Muslim community

0:54:56.520 --> 0:54:59.320
<v Speaker 2>or like a Southern Baptist very much Muslim?

0:54:59.440 --> 0:55:02.920
<v Speaker 4>You got a mus very much Muslim, but not. I

0:55:02.920 --> 0:55:06.359
<v Speaker 4>don't think it's the Muslim that people identify with. It

0:55:06.400 --> 0:55:08.600
<v Speaker 4>was a different Muslim. Actually, that Muslim had beef with

0:55:08.600 --> 0:55:10.040
<v Speaker 4>the Muslims that people identify with.

0:55:10.280 --> 0:55:11.719
<v Speaker 2>I was going to say, the ones that I know

0:55:11.840 --> 0:55:14.680
<v Speaker 2>is like Tarik's family, which is more like junior black

0:55:14.719 --> 0:55:15.880
<v Speaker 2>manfa you esque.

0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:18.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I wasn't a different.

0:55:21.239 --> 0:55:22.600
<v Speaker 1>What was your what was your set?

0:55:23.080 --> 0:55:29.440
<v Speaker 4>Fam? I really don't want to have that conversation never mind.

0:55:29.760 --> 0:55:30.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

0:55:30.239 --> 0:55:32.360
<v Speaker 4>The reason why I don't want to have that conversation

0:55:33.360 --> 0:55:35.520
<v Speaker 4>is I know, for a certainty y'all don't have enough

0:55:35.520 --> 0:55:36.000
<v Speaker 4>time for that.

0:55:37.560 --> 0:55:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:55:38.200 --> 0:55:40.680
<v Speaker 5>Okay, that's a ill.

0:55:41.280 --> 0:55:43.919
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I know for a certainty, y'all don't have enough

0:55:43.920 --> 0:55:44.399
<v Speaker 4>time for that.

0:55:44.719 --> 0:55:45.080
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

0:55:45.719 --> 0:55:48.799
<v Speaker 4>And because of the cult that I was raised in,

0:55:49.239 --> 0:55:53.240
<v Speaker 4>my my perspective of spirituality is literally all over the place,

0:55:53.760 --> 0:55:56.520
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. I had to start hacking

0:55:56.560 --> 0:55:59.200
<v Speaker 4>people's sense of spirituality. The reason I'm bringing that up

0:55:59.400 --> 0:56:01.359
<v Speaker 4>is because you know, you get lost in this, in

0:56:01.400 --> 0:56:06.280
<v Speaker 4>this navigational process of emotions and creativity, being an impath,

0:56:06.320 --> 0:56:08.400
<v Speaker 4>and you feel everything, but everybody looks at you like

0:56:08.440 --> 0:56:10.839
<v Speaker 4>a weirdough when the things that are real to you

0:56:10.920 --> 0:56:13.680
<v Speaker 4>are non existing to everybody else, you know what I'm saying,

0:56:13.719 --> 0:56:15.759
<v Speaker 4>and not knowing how to articulate that in a way

0:56:15.800 --> 0:56:17.919
<v Speaker 4>that doesn't make you look like somebody you can check

0:56:17.960 --> 0:56:21.400
<v Speaker 4>on him, you know what I'm saying. So I'm having

0:56:21.400 --> 0:56:24.799
<v Speaker 4>to navigate through that, and you know, I've had to

0:56:24.880 --> 0:56:27.120
<v Speaker 4>like reconcile a lot of relationships with people because they

0:56:27.160 --> 0:56:29.440
<v Speaker 4>just clearly didn't understand what was happening. And there was

0:56:29.520 --> 0:56:31.680
<v Speaker 4>no way that I can make that make sense because

0:56:31.719 --> 0:56:34.120
<v Speaker 4>I'm dealing with it. I'm literally in the middle of it.

0:56:34.200 --> 0:56:36.080
<v Speaker 4>So I can't help you right now. If you see

0:56:36.080 --> 0:56:37.759
<v Speaker 4>something that you can help once you reach in and

0:56:37.760 --> 0:56:39.560
<v Speaker 4>pull me out. But as of right now, like this

0:56:39.680 --> 0:56:41.759
<v Speaker 4>is just gonna be weird, you know what I'm saying,

0:56:41.920 --> 0:56:43.759
<v Speaker 4>until I can find the words and I'll see you

0:56:43.880 --> 0:56:46.120
<v Speaker 4>in the traffic and be like Yo at that time

0:56:46.200 --> 0:56:49.080
<v Speaker 4>when yeah, yeah that was crazy, right, I didn't mean that,

0:56:49.880 --> 0:56:53.040
<v Speaker 4>But what I actually meant was, you know, but you.

0:56:53.520 --> 0:56:56.120
<v Speaker 6>I'm literally going back to like just old conversation and

0:56:56.120 --> 0:57:00.360
<v Speaker 6>our interactions and just being like, man, I wish yeah, man, reference, text,

0:57:00.480 --> 0:57:01.480
<v Speaker 6>context is everything.

0:57:02.520 --> 0:57:06.720
<v Speaker 4>So here's the context. So I'm working at this uh

0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:09.320
<v Speaker 4>this studio off and on, back and forth from Philly

0:57:09.320 --> 0:57:12.399
<v Speaker 4>to Atlanta, and I'm literally working on songs that are

0:57:12.440 --> 0:57:17.080
<v Speaker 4>just coming up now. For for you know, Carving, they

0:57:17.120 --> 0:57:19.800
<v Speaker 4>may have been ideas that, but for me, it's like,

0:57:19.880 --> 0:57:21.960
<v Speaker 4>oh so it's cool, Okay, what do what? What can

0:57:21.960 --> 0:57:25.600
<v Speaker 4>I do with this? Okay? Uh? Here? Yoh that's dope. Cool.

0:57:25.640 --> 0:57:26.400
<v Speaker 4>I'm glad you like that?

0:57:26.480 --> 0:57:27.160
<v Speaker 1>What else you got?

0:57:27.240 --> 0:57:29.920
<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying. So when people are like, yo,

0:57:30.000 --> 0:57:32.320
<v Speaker 4>your first album, you know, I know, your first album.

0:57:32.480 --> 0:57:34.240
<v Speaker 4>How do you feel about having your first album that

0:57:34.360 --> 0:57:37.440
<v Speaker 4>wasn't my first album. That was Carvin's first album, that

0:57:37.560 --> 0:57:40.800
<v Speaker 4>was my thesis, that was my That's something I was

0:57:40.840 --> 0:57:42.760
<v Speaker 4>just working on. You know what I'm saying, Not to

0:57:42.840 --> 0:57:44.840
<v Speaker 4>take nothing away from it, but you know, I got

0:57:44.840 --> 0:57:46.840
<v Speaker 4>to be mindful of how I talk about it because

0:57:46.840 --> 0:57:50.680
<v Speaker 4>people get offended. They're like, my nigger, that shit over

0:57:50.720 --> 0:57:55.240
<v Speaker 4>this life, this ner.

0:57:55.600 --> 0:57:59.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know many artists that hold their first to

0:58:00.120 --> 0:58:01.400
<v Speaker 2>the three records, Near and Deer.

0:58:02.240 --> 0:58:04.960
<v Speaker 4>Now, hey watch this? What's this? What if that's your

0:58:05.080 --> 0:58:05.880
<v Speaker 4>entire career.

0:58:06.480 --> 0:58:08.920
<v Speaker 5>And I didn't know that.

0:58:10.920 --> 0:58:15.320
<v Speaker 4>That's your entire career.

0:58:15.200 --> 0:58:17.040
<v Speaker 5>Your first three albums?

0:58:18.000 --> 0:58:21.720
<v Speaker 4>No no, no, no, no no. The way that he's just said,

0:58:22.160 --> 0:58:24.840
<v Speaker 4>I don't think anybody would. What if you feel that way,

0:58:25.160 --> 0:58:28.240
<v Speaker 4>end up feeling that way about everything that you ever

0:58:28.320 --> 0:58:28.760
<v Speaker 4>put out?

0:58:29.120 --> 0:58:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, that's now I feel you because oftentimes half

0:58:33.520 --> 0:58:34.720
<v Speaker 2>television world.

0:58:34.960 --> 0:58:38.240
<v Speaker 4>And pretend like it's the greatest thing ever.

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<v Speaker 6>And also because your album lyrically, these albums lyrically mean

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<v Speaker 6>so much to your fans, like and.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't get me wrong, I meant it, but that's me

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<v Speaker 4>doing what I did with.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, thank you for this conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>To this day, the only time that I've ever done

0:58:58.560 --> 0:59:04.040
<v Speaker 4>something out of my own mind was my last album,

0:59:04.480 --> 0:59:09.560
<v Speaker 4>and feel the Real then feel the real? Don like that.

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<v Speaker 4>I was no, no, no, no, no, no, me let me.

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<v Speaker 4>He was like, nigga. I'm like, don't get me wrong,

0:59:18.120 --> 0:59:20.480
<v Speaker 4>don't get me wrong. I have to say this because

0:59:20.520 --> 0:59:22.720
<v Speaker 4>it is true, and I kind of want to like

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<v Speaker 4>kind of quell whatever kind of feelings of animosity that

0:59:26.520 --> 0:59:30.000
<v Speaker 4>some people may have for me. Right now. With that said,

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't release or do anything that I don't have

0:59:33.200 --> 0:59:35.959
<v Speaker 4>any kind of emotional connection to because then I can't

0:59:36.000 --> 0:59:38.800
<v Speaker 4>perform it. Like y'all will sniff that out, like we

0:59:38.880 --> 0:59:41.960
<v Speaker 4>don't believe you. You need more people bro do it better,

0:59:42.320 --> 0:59:44.360
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. So I gotta believe it

0:59:44.400 --> 0:59:47.360
<v Speaker 4>to some degree. But when you want to talk about

0:59:47.360 --> 0:59:52.920
<v Speaker 4>authenticity and being genuine, like I can't fully accept credit.

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<v Speaker 4>I gotta give it to the people who also were

0:59:54.840 --> 0:59:57.160
<v Speaker 4>a part of it. That's not me. That was the producer,

0:59:57.400 --> 0:59:59.800
<v Speaker 4>that's not me. That was me, and the songwriter that's

0:59:59.800 --> 1:00:02.000
<v Speaker 4>not me. That was the label that that was the

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<v Speaker 4>management's idea. I just went along with it. So when

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<v Speaker 4>y'all were giving me mineus As far as playing the game, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a fucking game, but no one tells you about

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<v Speaker 4>the fallout. The fallout is you have a timeline of

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<v Speaker 4>yeah yes, sir, no, sa yes, sir, No sir, yes no,

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<v Speaker 4>sa yes sir. And as a grown ass man, that

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<v Speaker 4>ain't a legacy that you could be proud of. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>proud of the positive impact that what I've decided to

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<v Speaker 4>do ultimately, of how that ultimately affected people, I'm grateful.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm eternally grateful for that. I'm not ever gonna take

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<v Speaker 4>that away from people. You know what I'm saying, And

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<v Speaker 4>it's actually their reaction that made me have a connection

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<v Speaker 4>to it. I have their their relationships with the songs,

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<v Speaker 4>because on this side, it's hello, traumatic.

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<v Speaker 1>God, wow. Oh Now I gotta ask, like, so what

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<v Speaker 1>is it?

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't finished what I'm saying earlier about the first

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<v Speaker 2>three records, like oftentimes, you know, like uh okay, when

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<v Speaker 2>I when I convince people that a particular television show

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<v Speaker 2>is dope, and usually they'll tell me a man, I

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<v Speaker 2>saw the first episode, like the pilot, and I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>feeling it, and I was like, I don't know, most right,

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<v Speaker 2>and people get into there, I mean very rarely, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>like Atlanta and uh the sopranos like they're rarely shows

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<v Speaker 2>whose first episode is like that hoigh Ward excellent.

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<v Speaker 1>And with albums, yeah, I mean I in my mind,

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<v Speaker 1>I just.

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<v Speaker 2>Assume that people just have an emotional sentimental connection to

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<v Speaker 2>their college years when they first discovered Do you Want More?

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<v Speaker 1>Or like, I know, I'm going to live this life.

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<v Speaker 2>Where my first four records are going to be the

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<v Speaker 2>be all and the end all to certain people. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>man odella yo, man thinks all apart, you know, an

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<v Speaker 2>occasional phrenology to yo.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So I'm about to, like, you know, contradict myself

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<v Speaker 4>by being that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm used to. I'mflying to it now.

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<v Speaker 5>Mhm.

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<v Speaker 4>When y'all dropped Hot Music, the Hot music me that

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<v Speaker 4>that wasn't my song. I'm literally walking things fall apart

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<v Speaker 4>was my soundtrack when I first heard that song. If

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<v Speaker 4>I had any freaking doubt that I had a life

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<v Speaker 4>of music ahead of me, that's said. That was my

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<v Speaker 4>Superman music. So much so that on my album I

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<v Speaker 4>had a song called Ella's Gone. I know that's not

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<v Speaker 4>the original, that's not the original beat. The original beat

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<v Speaker 4>sounded more like, you know, got a story to tell Biggie,

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<v Speaker 4>they sound more like it sounded like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 4>After I got off tour, really immediately after I got

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<v Speaker 4>off tour, because we started doing that song to that,

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<v Speaker 4>I said, where we I know, we're in the middle

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<v Speaker 4>of mixing. Where we recording that song?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, so your finger is on that album a way, That's.

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<v Speaker 4>What I'm saying. Okay, But I had to put myself

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<v Speaker 4>in it enough to feel like, Okay, I can promote

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<v Speaker 4>this baby.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny because I wasn't at the time when you

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<v Speaker 2>were recording this record, because I think, come on, come

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<v Speaker 2>on's on that right?

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<v Speaker 4>Like I think, so yeah, everyone but means on a song.

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<v Speaker 4>Hub is on a whole nother song that I did, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I here's the thing Rich never told me about the

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<v Speaker 2>ella's going. So we were in we were in Cleveland

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<v Speaker 2>and your album and shy Day's album whatever she released

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<v Speaker 2>in two thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>I forget the name of.

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<v Speaker 4>It was Lovers Lovers, Yeah, right, so I remember Lovers

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<v Speaker 4>Rock and I just want to see him coming out.

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<v Speaker 2>At the same time, I'm on touring Voodoo m HM

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<v Speaker 2>and we're in Cleveland.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not going to get into doodle because that's a whole.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a whole other conversation, shouts out to the homie.

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<v Speaker 4>But we're in Cleveland.

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<v Speaker 2>And Joel LeVert pulls up backstage and I'm hearing the

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<v Speaker 2>next movement but done in a really different way.

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<v Speaker 1>And I go to this car, I'm like, what's that

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<v Speaker 1>the CD case? Wait, that's how I first heard that

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<v Speaker 1>is so dope, so so.

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<v Speaker 4>Because what happened was my managers probably hit Rich up

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<v Speaker 4>and probably got the got the green light from from

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<v Speaker 4>old board.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you know, I just didn't know about so

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<v Speaker 1>I heard was blasting that was with.

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<v Speaker 2>Gerald and I to his car like yoah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's how I heard the.

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<v Speaker 5>Joint circle considering break you off, ye.

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<v Speaker 4>Bring dude. I would tell you I was kind of hot.

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<v Speaker 4>I was.

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<v Speaker 5>I was gonna wanted Gerald Avert to do it that.

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<v Speaker 4>It would have been dope. But that's not the point.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the one point I had. I had a huge

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<v Speaker 4>grievance with y'all.

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<v Speaker 5>With the whole your grievous what is it music?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I was this is where Mereon finds out that

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<v Speaker 1>people over.

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<v Speaker 4>So you're good, no, no, all right, music that you

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<v Speaker 4>you didn't funk me over? It was. Didn't this ship

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<v Speaker 4>start with us?

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<v Speaker 5>He was picked last. I shouldn't have been.

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<v Speaker 1>The third choice, all right, So check it out. So

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<v Speaker 1>check it out.

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<v Speaker 4>If I'm about to tell to break you off story

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<v Speaker 4>right now, stop doing run DMC poses like I'm giving

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<v Speaker 4>you you wanted this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So I will start off this story the same I

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<v Speaker 2>started off Jill Scott's You Got Me story for the

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<v Speaker 2>record with communication records, not the roots is forte for the.

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<v Speaker 4>Record, I'm completely over it, just to let you know.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm I was over it after we did the video,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. But prior to then, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I was in my feelings.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, so check it. So here here's my side.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's my side of what happened. Was okay, So the

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<v Speaker 2>story break you off?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Who is the promoter that is, uh the proprietor of

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<v Speaker 2>the Kings of Comedy, not Stanley Fan but uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Not ol Hayman. But he's in that circle.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the he's the executive producer of the Kings of

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<v Speaker 2>Comedy movie that Spike shot. God, hang on, Walter is

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<v Speaker 2>it Walter Walter is something? Wal I wonder if Walter

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<v Speaker 2>is related to stan Leatham. All right, So in two thousand,

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<v Speaker 2>Walter Latham, comedy promoter who's making billions off the Kings

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<v Speaker 2>of Comedy franchise, you know, with Cedric and Steve and everybody. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>he decides that he wants to do well. You know

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, I said, oh, it's sort of like

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<v Speaker 2>Living Color. He's like, no, this is a black SNL

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<v Speaker 2>and we were all okay, So we shot a pilot

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<v Speaker 2>of a black SNL with like Earthquake like luminaries. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm certain that if I saw the lineup, at least

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<v Speaker 2>seven of them be like household names now. But the

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<v Speaker 2>only person I knew personally back then was Earthquake. But

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<v Speaker 2>it was a sketch comedy show, just like SNL. And

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<v Speaker 2>we were the SNL band and that's why. Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 2>were the SNL band.

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<v Speaker 1>And they wanted to have like guests sitting with us,

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<v Speaker 1>so they chose music and.

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<v Speaker 4>Kik Wyatt Wyatt.

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<v Speaker 2>Try, wait, were you backstage when she tried to set

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<v Speaker 2>her off from Rique?

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<v Speaker 1>Were you backstage with us? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>This is like two weeks this is this is two

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<v Speaker 2>weeks after.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember that stabbing?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we all did. This was two weeks after drawing

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<v Speaker 2>like she fresh out of jail all that stuff. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So all I remember was all right, So there was

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<v Speaker 2>an incident backstage where you know, I wasn't paying attention,

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<v Speaker 2>but Tariq obviously said something that upset Keky White.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah I wasn't. I wasn't. I wasn't there either, but

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<v Speaker 4>I but you know, I right about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So all I know was that she took her shoes off,

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<v Speaker 2>and she took her ear rings off, and like.

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<v Speaker 1>I just remember, Rich had to get in between.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, like she was trying to set her off from

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<v Speaker 2>some ship, like gonna talk to me fucking like that,

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 4>And she's really about that life back then, Brog, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think it's bad. It might it might still be popping.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like later.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, she said it off

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<v Speaker 4>all of them kids. Yeah, that's a lot. Dude, shouts up,

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<v Speaker 4>same husbands out, shouts out, I don't know, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 4>but shouts out, man.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a couple, but the numbers are good, they're.

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<v Speaker 4>Low, okay, shouts out to her. That's what she and

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<v Speaker 4>g for that No real all jokes as that that's

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<v Speaker 4>a lot. I come from your family, so that's.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot.

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<v Speaker 5>Right now.

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<v Speaker 2>So the whole point is that, Okay, the old point

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<v Speaker 2>is that really not being familiar with this situation and

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<v Speaker 2>like having prepared music and all that stuff, we were

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<v Speaker 2>just jamming. So uh yeah, five minutes into it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Kamal was playing some ship and next thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like the seeds that break you off was sort of

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<v Speaker 2>in the air, and.

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<v Speaker 4>Because it was, it was a few joints. It was

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<v Speaker 4>a few joints you know, your songs, knowing bumps and stuff,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, in a commercial and whatever and saying like

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<v Speaker 4>like like the fallon gig, y'all been training for that.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying, I don't understand like since

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<v Speaker 4>since then then, So that's why when it came full

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<v Speaker 4>circle with the fallon ship, I was like, that.

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<v Speaker 1>Makes sense, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So the thing was when I think we just made

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<v Speaker 2>a break you off, just have an extra song for

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<v Speaker 2>an extra bumper. I didn't think about it any further

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<v Speaker 2>till after that. So what I didn't know was that

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<v Speaker 2>Comal come on, you go in the studio to to

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<v Speaker 2>he went, I know, he went in on fire like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna make this a join and I was just like,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, cool, Like I.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't hear about it that it was gonna be

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<v Speaker 4>a thing until way after and then I was privy

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<v Speaker 4>to all the demos, so check music.

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<v Speaker 1>Eleven.

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<v Speaker 4>So the deal with music, So you're gonna learn, just

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<v Speaker 4>like you're gonna learn, just like with the with the

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<v Speaker 4>you Got Me story, So we have the sing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, it was for me. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a cool song just for that space.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't think it was like, oh, we're really going

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<v Speaker 2>to do a song called coming to Break You Off?

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<v Speaker 4>Like that wasn't even but even in the inception of it,

1:12:14.479 --> 1:12:19.000
<v Speaker 4>that wasn't even the what was being said. I was

1:12:19.080 --> 1:12:23.120
<v Speaker 4>doing song Marvin Gay, you know, process through the Angelo,

1:12:23.400 --> 1:12:26.440
<v Speaker 4>mumbling like I don't even know what I was saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Which I think the words coming to Break You Off

1:12:29.439 --> 1:12:34.160
<v Speaker 2>was was formed or something like that that I heard, right.

1:12:34.040 --> 1:12:39.479
<v Speaker 1>But well, I'm just giving my side of the story, and.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm hearing you, bro, I'm listening right.

1:12:42.240 --> 1:12:46.360
<v Speaker 2>So after after that, after we shot that pilot, I

1:12:46.439 --> 1:12:49.160
<v Speaker 2>wasn't thinking about that song come on, went and shot

1:12:49.240 --> 1:12:53.679
<v Speaker 2>a crude demo of it, and then I guess at

1:12:53.680 --> 1:12:58.439
<v Speaker 2>that point, I think Rich and I were just like,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we going to make this the anti Roots album?

1:13:03.479 --> 1:13:05.120
<v Speaker 1>Like let's just let's just.

1:13:05.080 --> 1:13:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Do a whole bunch of songs that don't sound like

1:13:06.920 --> 1:13:09.559
<v Speaker 2>the Roots and that sort of thing, and Rich was like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's it.

1:13:10.120 --> 1:13:13.320
<v Speaker 2>I was kind of being like bitter, sarcastic, like, oh,

1:13:13.360 --> 1:13:15.600
<v Speaker 2>we're doing R and B songs now, and he was

1:13:15.640 --> 1:13:17.719
<v Speaker 2>just like, now the ship works.

1:13:18.160 --> 1:13:19.240
<v Speaker 1>And so then I was like.

1:13:19.920 --> 1:13:22.599
<v Speaker 2>So when I got aboard, I don't know, I know

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<v Speaker 2>the first contestant was Alicia.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. I don't know how it came to be.

1:13:30.479 --> 1:13:33.320
<v Speaker 2>I know that The Roots and Alicia keyshould do a

1:13:33.360 --> 1:13:34.000
<v Speaker 2>song together.

1:13:34.520 --> 1:13:36.800
<v Speaker 4>Was she was on the rocket ship at the rocket

1:13:36.840 --> 1:13:37.960
<v Speaker 4>ship at the time? Why not?

1:13:38.400 --> 1:13:40.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, she and I were friends. She and I have

1:13:40.320 --> 1:13:42.760
<v Speaker 2>been friends since when she was on Columbia.

1:13:42.880 --> 1:13:43.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>She was Alicia James, right.

1:13:45.400 --> 1:13:46.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I forgot damn.

1:13:47.560 --> 1:13:49.439
<v Speaker 4>Because I had to join on the Riot soundtrack.

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<v Speaker 1>No no, no, no, that was what's your name of

1:13:51.280 --> 1:13:53.920
<v Speaker 1>the Afro? This is like that thread.

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<v Speaker 4>With James.

1:14:02.840 --> 1:14:03.800
<v Speaker 1>So Alilah James was.

1:14:03.720 --> 1:14:08.280
<v Speaker 4>Alisha James originally, right, right, that's right, that's right.

1:14:08.560 --> 1:14:13.479
<v Speaker 2>I met Alicia was when I was tracking most for

1:14:13.960 --> 1:14:18.160
<v Speaker 2>Double Trouble. Alisa was next door. That's how first met her.

1:14:18.160 --> 1:14:21.960
<v Speaker 2>She was next door at Battery Studios working on her

1:14:22.560 --> 1:14:26.280
<v Speaker 2>Columbia debut record, which never came out. She was on

1:14:26.320 --> 1:14:30.720
<v Speaker 2>Columbia Records first. Michael Malton, that's a Jermaine DePriest. Father

1:14:32.360 --> 1:14:37.120
<v Speaker 2>signed her to Columbia like she was fourteen fifteen.

1:14:36.760 --> 1:14:38.679
<v Speaker 5>So she shouldn't have been singing coming to breaking.

1:14:39.840 --> 1:14:43.360
<v Speaker 4>She knew me way back then. Yeah, I'm thinking like

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<v Speaker 4>ninety seven talking about when she was breaking up.

1:14:46.560 --> 1:14:49.720
<v Speaker 2>No, no, but I'm saying ninety seven ninety seven. She

1:14:49.800 --> 1:14:52.439
<v Speaker 2>was like seventeen eighteen. That's when I first met her

1:14:53.160 --> 1:14:54.640
<v Speaker 2>working on a Columbia.

1:14:54.240 --> 1:14:58.440
<v Speaker 5>Join to break you off with a little.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, whatever the case was.

1:15:02.040 --> 1:15:07.320
<v Speaker 2>She famously stood us up four times like I'm coming,

1:15:07.479 --> 1:15:10.680
<v Speaker 2>and then like Steve wakes me up, like I mean

1:15:10.760 --> 1:15:12.799
<v Speaker 2>she hear yet, and Steve's like it's four in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>No next time.

1:15:17.000 --> 1:15:23.040
<v Speaker 9>So it went from it went from her to blow

1:15:27.840 --> 1:15:28.920
<v Speaker 9>that one Jill Scott.

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<v Speaker 2>Now do you know that when Jill Scott did it,

1:15:32.160 --> 1:15:38.839
<v Speaker 2>she turned into the magic stick. What she wanted to

1:15:38.880 --> 1:15:41.360
<v Speaker 2>talk about Jek's man.

1:15:42.120 --> 1:15:46.679
<v Speaker 1>Okay, all I know is that Jill's we have Joe

1:15:48.240 --> 1:15:52.599
<v Speaker 1>quest love supreme. We are we are on the magic

1:15:52.760 --> 1:15:57.400
<v Speaker 1>stick of right. No, no, no, but this is the

1:15:57.439 --> 1:15:58.120
<v Speaker 1>thing though.

1:15:58.080 --> 1:15:58.800
<v Speaker 5>We're only at four.

1:16:00.160 --> 1:16:03.720
<v Speaker 2>She wrote, you kind of wrote the hook that's the

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<v Speaker 2>bridge to break you off.

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<v Speaker 5>She gonna come get this check, amir, She's gonna come

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<v Speaker 5>get this check.

1:16:10.040 --> 1:16:15.720
<v Speaker 2>Carmon changed the words, but that what that bridge that

1:16:15.800 --> 1:16:20.280
<v Speaker 2>he sang was an idea that Jill had wrote for

1:16:20.280 --> 1:16:24.360
<v Speaker 2>break you Off. And then Gerald heard and then I

1:16:24.439 --> 1:16:27.519
<v Speaker 2>swear to your music. I was after Lisa had stood

1:16:27.520 --> 1:16:30.200
<v Speaker 2>me up the second time because I'm the one that

1:16:30.240 --> 1:16:33.479
<v Speaker 2>had to wait the studio, Steve can testify me sleep

1:16:33.520 --> 1:16:34.800
<v Speaker 2>on the couch and she here yet?

1:16:34.880 --> 1:16:38.400
<v Speaker 1>No, she here yet, no calling her.

1:16:38.680 --> 1:16:41.559
<v Speaker 2>After that, I was, I was like, fuck this song

1:16:41.760 --> 1:16:43.720
<v Speaker 2>like it's not and the Angelo.

1:16:43.800 --> 1:16:45.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, maybe she showed up and I didn't. I

1:16:45.720 --> 1:16:47.240
<v Speaker 1>didn't hear the doorbell or something.

1:16:47.479 --> 1:16:52.000
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, she just she just and even what's

1:16:52.000 --> 1:16:55.599
<v Speaker 2>her name, Claudette Ortiz. Yes, that's what I never forgive

1:16:55.640 --> 1:17:01.439
<v Speaker 2>Steve Stout for. We cleared silent treatment for that that

1:17:01.560 --> 1:17:02.639
<v Speaker 2>damn City High song.

1:17:02.720 --> 1:17:06.200
<v Speaker 4>What's it called a caramel? That was a good right,

1:17:06.320 --> 1:17:10.439
<v Speaker 4>but we cleared it singing that all right back, and

1:17:14.080 --> 1:17:18.240
<v Speaker 4>I knew was the song about child abuse. You remember

1:17:18.280 --> 1:17:27.600
<v Speaker 4>Caramel What would you do? Yeah? No, there was a

1:17:27.680 --> 1:17:34.760
<v Speaker 4>traumatizing song, no know, what do we do anyway? So

1:17:35.840 --> 1:17:39.479
<v Speaker 4>based doing the Caramel song, I thought that.

1:17:42.040 --> 1:17:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Sing on our joint and that didn't happen.

1:17:45.960 --> 1:17:51.719
<v Speaker 2>So literally twelve people later, I remember Comal saying, wait

1:17:51.760 --> 1:17:57.120
<v Speaker 2>a minute, y'all started with music is getting worse? No, no, no,

1:17:57.160 --> 1:18:00.960
<v Speaker 2>come on, said wait a minute, y'all. This started with music.

1:18:02.200 --> 1:18:04.240
<v Speaker 2>Why don't we just have music do it? And then

1:18:04.280 --> 1:18:08.719
<v Speaker 2>we were all like, oh, yeah, you're right, we forgot.

1:18:09.439 --> 1:18:11.320
<v Speaker 1>So it was I just don't want you to.

1:18:11.280 --> 1:18:16.599
<v Speaker 2>Think that we were like, damn, that's like he whacked.

1:18:16.640 --> 1:18:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Let's not put him on the record. It wasn't even that.

1:18:19.160 --> 1:18:21.000
<v Speaker 4>It was just like I didn't even I didn't even

1:18:21.080 --> 1:18:23.479
<v Speaker 4>take it like that per se. There might have been

1:18:23.720 --> 1:18:26.760
<v Speaker 4>some element of that adjacent to my feelings, you know,

1:18:27.840 --> 1:18:29.760
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying, right, but I'm just like

1:18:30.720 --> 1:18:33.599
<v Speaker 4>my ego wouldn't allow me to believe it can't be

1:18:33.600 --> 1:18:34.960
<v Speaker 4>because they think I'm whack.

1:18:36.160 --> 1:18:37.439
<v Speaker 1>Right, It was never that.

1:18:37.600 --> 1:18:39.759
<v Speaker 4>It was just like it was like glasses on your forehead,

1:18:40.120 --> 1:18:44.800
<v Speaker 4>like you tear the room before glass glass my glass. Yeah, man,

1:18:44.840 --> 1:18:46.400
<v Speaker 4>you in your car, you in your car at night

1:18:46.479 --> 1:18:48.280
<v Speaker 4>looking for your phone with the flash that on, I

1:18:48.320 --> 1:18:52.000
<v Speaker 4>know exactly, like where the is my phone?

1:18:52.080 --> 1:18:54.920
<v Speaker 1>So come all? Said, right, right, come all?

1:18:55.040 --> 1:18:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Said dude, y'all, y'all going to jump through all these

1:18:57.920 --> 1:19:00.559
<v Speaker 2>hoops trying to get people seeming so on, why don't

1:19:00.560 --> 1:19:04.519
<v Speaker 2>we just go to music? It felt right, and then

1:19:04.560 --> 1:19:08.600
<v Speaker 2>it was like, oh ship, we never thought of that, duh.

1:19:08.960 --> 1:19:10.519
<v Speaker 1>And then it happened.

1:19:11.360 --> 1:19:15.280
<v Speaker 4>Sad story, bro, that's a sad story. I love you

1:19:15.320 --> 1:19:18.160
<v Speaker 4>though through it all. I still love you, man, I

1:19:18.200 --> 1:19:21.720
<v Speaker 4>still love I still love you. That's all good. I

1:19:21.760 --> 1:19:24.880
<v Speaker 4>never I never, I never, you know, I never let

1:19:24.880 --> 1:19:27.280
<v Speaker 4>it interfear like you know, it's a whole lot of stuff,

1:19:27.640 --> 1:19:28.920
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying, that I can get into

1:19:29.040 --> 1:19:32.240
<v Speaker 4>that I constantly feel slighted, you know what I'm saying

1:19:32.280 --> 1:19:34.280
<v Speaker 4>by y'all. But I'm sure it has a lot to

1:19:34.280 --> 1:19:41.560
<v Speaker 4>do with, you know, miscommunication, lack of communication. Just I

1:19:41.680 --> 1:19:44.040
<v Speaker 4>never came up. It might never may have never came up,

1:19:44.120 --> 1:19:48.000
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. It's cool, Yes, our our

1:19:48.120 --> 1:19:50.680
<v Speaker 4>years and for years I used to be like, yo,

1:19:50.760 --> 1:19:52.840
<v Speaker 4>I rapped so hard for these idiots. They don't never

1:19:53.120 --> 1:19:55.280
<v Speaker 4>shout me out or look out or nothing that. But

1:19:55.320 --> 1:19:57.760
<v Speaker 4>it's like you can't take it that way man, Like

1:19:57.840 --> 1:19:59.960
<v Speaker 4>them dudes, they're they're like you.

1:20:00.240 --> 1:20:03.920
<v Speaker 5>Shout out nobody shut up.

1:20:06.720 --> 1:20:08.639
<v Speaker 1>Anyway anyway.

1:20:08.720 --> 1:20:10.040
<v Speaker 4>But I'm just letting you know.

1:20:10.160 --> 1:20:14.559
<v Speaker 2>Like you know, well, just just I always do my

1:20:15.479 --> 1:20:17.439
<v Speaker 2>communicated once.

1:20:18.560 --> 1:20:22.000
<v Speaker 4>It never me I just want I just wanted to

1:20:22.040 --> 1:20:24.519
<v Speaker 4>make a point to say that despite all of the

1:20:24.520 --> 1:20:27.599
<v Speaker 4>spaces I found myself in, whether here or they're about y'all,

1:20:28.120 --> 1:20:31.320
<v Speaker 4>I always find a way to reconnect to you know

1:20:31.360 --> 1:20:36.040
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying. My initial affinity for y'all. You know

1:20:36.080 --> 1:20:38.840
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying, it's bigger than the individual people. You

1:20:38.880 --> 1:20:41.840
<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying, y'all represents something so huge that

1:20:41.920 --> 1:20:45.439
<v Speaker 4>you can't let your personal feelings for individuals to get

1:20:45.479 --> 1:20:46.840
<v Speaker 4>in the way of that. Like I was hot with

1:20:46.920 --> 1:20:48.840
<v Speaker 4>Frank for a second, you know what I'm saying, because

1:20:48.840 --> 1:20:50.800
<v Speaker 4>when y'all was on voodoo. You know what I'm saying,

1:20:50.840 --> 1:20:52.600
<v Speaker 4>I wanted to go say with something d and he

1:20:52.760 --> 1:20:54.599
<v Speaker 4>was like, yeah, now he's not seeing no people right now.

1:20:54.640 --> 1:20:58.320
<v Speaker 4>I was like, well, can you let me know when

1:20:58.360 --> 1:20:59.320
<v Speaker 4>he's seeing people.

1:20:59.520 --> 1:20:59.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1:20:59.800 --> 1:21:05.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I was like, now now this is now. Let

1:21:05.280 --> 1:21:08.240
<v Speaker 4>me tell you, I only went to two concerts before

1:21:08.400 --> 1:21:11.760
<v Speaker 4>before I Pop. Right it was it was when it

1:21:11.840 --> 1:21:16.360
<v Speaker 4>came to Philly. It was DiAngelo and it was Lauren Hill. Right,

1:21:16.439 --> 1:21:18.919
<v Speaker 4>that's it, because those are two that was even interested.

1:21:19.160 --> 1:21:21.559
<v Speaker 4>And I love Joab, but I'm like, I could see

1:21:21.600 --> 1:21:23.880
<v Speaker 4>y'all whenever. You know what I'm saying. Might have not

1:21:23.920 --> 1:21:26.280
<v Speaker 4>been a cool thing to do, to be so dismissive,

1:21:26.280 --> 1:21:28.280
<v Speaker 4>but I'm like, I'm gonna see them, like now we

1:21:28.439 --> 1:21:31.200
<v Speaker 4>mad easy son, you know what I'm saying. So I'm

1:21:31.320 --> 1:21:34.200
<v Speaker 4>literally after after the Voodoo and they did how to Feel,

1:21:34.200 --> 1:21:36.000
<v Speaker 4>everybody walk off. I was like, this is amazing. It's epic,

1:21:36.000 --> 1:21:38.160
<v Speaker 4>bah blah blah. So I'm walking back because I'm like,

1:21:38.200 --> 1:21:41.599
<v Speaker 4>I literally really know like seventy five percent of everybody

1:21:41.640 --> 1:21:43.599
<v Speaker 4>on that stage, you know what I'm saying. Let me

1:21:43.680 --> 1:21:44.519
<v Speaker 4>just go say what's up?

1:21:44.640 --> 1:21:44.840
<v Speaker 1>You know?

1:21:45.240 --> 1:21:47.080
<v Speaker 4>And Frank caught me at the door and was like, ooh,

1:21:47.120 --> 1:21:49.000
<v Speaker 4>what's something. I'm tapping over the So so it's a prove.

1:21:49.080 --> 1:21:51.200
<v Speaker 4>I go back and was like, ah, I don't know,

1:21:52.320 --> 1:21:54.519
<v Speaker 4>I don't think he's seeing anybody. Right now. I was like,

1:21:56.080 --> 1:22:02.799
<v Speaker 4>but it's me, oh me, but can we don't mean anything?

1:22:03.080 --> 1:22:05.400
<v Speaker 6>Can we all agree I'm about to give a compliment

1:22:05.439 --> 1:22:07.360
<v Speaker 6>in a backwards way, but can we all agree that

1:22:07.439 --> 1:22:09.599
<v Speaker 6>as much as this lighting that you may have felt

1:22:09.600 --> 1:22:12.679
<v Speaker 6>from like any any Roots Crew situation, the circle back

1:22:12.760 --> 1:22:14.920
<v Speaker 6>is amazing because even if you just think about like

1:22:15.080 --> 1:22:18.280
<v Speaker 6>you headline and the Roots Picnic, it's just always it's

1:22:18.320 --> 1:22:20.559
<v Speaker 6>always a circle back. So I just to their credit,

1:22:20.600 --> 1:22:21.160
<v Speaker 6>you know what I mean?

1:22:21.320 --> 1:22:24.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well you know that's all a little slightly triggering.

1:22:24.120 --> 1:22:25.880
<v Speaker 4>So I did it because I needed well back on

1:22:26.000 --> 1:22:28.280
<v Speaker 4>my own. You have to understand something I did the

1:22:28.360 --> 1:22:31.240
<v Speaker 4>Roots Picnic or the earlier what I decided to do

1:22:31.280 --> 1:22:35.479
<v Speaker 4>when before COVID pre COVID, which is why I was

1:22:35.479 --> 1:22:37.439
<v Speaker 4>grateful that it came back around and I was thought of,

1:22:37.479 --> 1:22:39.080
<v Speaker 4>which is why I met. I met them like, thanks

1:22:39.080 --> 1:22:41.280
<v Speaker 4>for thinking of me, because y'all could have been like,

1:22:42.520 --> 1:22:45.720
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying, I don't know. So I

1:22:45.800 --> 1:22:48.200
<v Speaker 4>did that for me because I needed to get past that.

1:22:48.720 --> 1:22:52.280
<v Speaker 4>What I needed to get past was was Thepelle Ship.

1:22:53.120 --> 1:22:53.960
<v Speaker 5>What the fuck.

1:22:55.439 --> 1:22:58.200
<v Speaker 4>Here? Exactly? Oh my god, that exactly.

1:22:58.400 --> 1:22:59.439
<v Speaker 1>I didn't put that together.

1:23:00.240 --> 1:23:08.599
<v Speaker 4>I'm not I'm not coming you. I was literally right with.

1:23:08.560 --> 1:23:10.879
<v Speaker 1>The Chippell party and also that photo.

1:23:11.160 --> 1:23:17.200
<v Speaker 4>Okay, aquarium, let's not even get into you're in it. Okay,

1:23:17.200 --> 1:23:23.559
<v Speaker 4>all right, it's okay, it's okay. This is what I'm saying. Okay,

1:23:24.120 --> 1:23:28.720
<v Speaker 4>I need to get past it. So every opportunity that

1:23:28.800 --> 1:23:32.800
<v Speaker 4>comes up with me explain the context of just the

1:23:32.920 --> 1:23:36.200
<v Speaker 4>ancillary events. But I'm constantly being I'm sure that you

1:23:36.240 --> 1:23:37.599
<v Speaker 4>probably don't even know about.

1:23:38.080 --> 1:23:40.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know about, and I don't organize all.

1:23:39.920 --> 1:23:42.840
<v Speaker 4>Of these things. It's okay, it's okay, But in my mind,

1:23:42.960 --> 1:23:45.400
<v Speaker 4>because I don't know the inner dynamics of y'all situation,

1:23:46.000 --> 1:23:48.080
<v Speaker 4>I think I'm doing this for the light.

1:23:50.160 --> 1:23:50.519
<v Speaker 1>Damn.

1:23:50.880 --> 1:23:54.400
<v Speaker 5>You gotta communicate, man, this could have cut this ten

1:23:54.479 --> 1:23:54.920
<v Speaker 5>years ago.

1:23:55.800 --> 1:23:58.880
<v Speaker 4>So I did the I did the Roots picnic because

1:23:58.920 --> 1:24:02.040
<v Speaker 4>I needed to get over my own issues surrounding y'all,

1:24:02.040 --> 1:24:03.439
<v Speaker 4>because I didn't want to have no issues. But I

1:24:03.439 --> 1:24:06.240
<v Speaker 4>didn't know how to interact with any of y'all like that.

1:24:06.520 --> 1:24:08.120
<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying. Yeah, there's the ways I

1:24:08.120 --> 1:24:10.200
<v Speaker 4>can get folks number, but I'm not gonna cold call

1:24:10.280 --> 1:24:12.639
<v Speaker 4>nobody like you know. It's cool, it's no beef. It's

1:24:12.640 --> 1:24:15.120
<v Speaker 4>not an on site situation. But I'm not going to

1:24:15.200 --> 1:24:17.640
<v Speaker 4>act like we interact all like that. Either you know

1:24:17.680 --> 1:24:21.280
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying, you understand what you understand? Yeah?

1:24:21.320 --> 1:24:21.720
<v Speaker 1>What what?

1:24:21.840 --> 1:24:26.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm slowly realizing No, And this is the first time

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<v Speaker 2>like i've I've heard that. Even this week cosmic keV

1:24:31.080 --> 1:24:33.160
<v Speaker 2>was like, I feel a certain way, y' ask me

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<v Speaker 2>nothing certain.

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<v Speaker 5>Way, don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, No, no, no, old boy what's his name? Uh?

1:24:40.280 --> 1:24:41.360
<v Speaker 1>While I was partner.

1:24:43.040 --> 1:24:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Gilly also the same thing, which no, it's it's never

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<v Speaker 2>like we're never like, let's not ask them. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of times it's either like finances or a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>these things we do is by the skin of our

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<v Speaker 2>teeth or a.

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<v Speaker 4>Favor for favor, Like I keep saying, so.

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<v Speaker 1>We love everyone is so not not.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to keep making it a point to

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<v Speaker 4>say that I love you, man. This is why. It's

1:25:09.520 --> 1:25:13.519
<v Speaker 4>because I'm not saying it just to be saying it

1:25:13.600 --> 1:25:15.960
<v Speaker 4>like I have, because that's something that I have to

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<v Speaker 4>know and feel in myself. That's the only reason why

1:25:19.240 --> 1:25:21.559
<v Speaker 4>I did the failin situation. I wouldn't have did that

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<v Speaker 4>shit because I'm like, for what they never asked me

1:25:23.240 --> 1:25:26.599
<v Speaker 4>to do nothing for what But I was like, nah,

1:25:26.680 --> 1:25:30.280
<v Speaker 4>it's the roots, like they're on an elass platform. You

1:25:30.320 --> 1:25:32.000
<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying, And stop acting like you don't

1:25:32.040 --> 1:25:32.960
<v Speaker 4>want to be a part of that.

1:25:34.200 --> 1:25:35.880
<v Speaker 5>That's a lot of our stories. I just need you

1:25:35.920 --> 1:25:36.559
<v Speaker 5>to know this.

1:25:36.600 --> 1:25:38.679
<v Speaker 4>Like it's so No, it's cool, it's cool.

1:25:38.920 --> 1:25:41.400
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, even even even I.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't, I'm not gonna be in people's faces talking right now.

1:25:45.600 --> 1:25:49.600
<v Speaker 4>Unbeknownst to y'all, I'm in a very weird emotional, psychological

1:25:49.600 --> 1:25:52.320
<v Speaker 4>and emotional space. It's to the point where I got

1:25:52.320 --> 1:25:55.720
<v Speaker 4>to tell my my my, my publicist family, you might

1:25:55.760 --> 1:25:58.320
<v Speaker 4>want to chill on the interviews because I'm spilling my

1:25:58.360 --> 1:26:01.080
<v Speaker 4>guts too much, bro, And don't nobody want keep hearing this, Like,

1:26:01.200 --> 1:26:03.479
<v Speaker 4>let me deal with my stuff, man, Like, let me

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<v Speaker 4>get into a better place so that I can be

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<v Speaker 4>the person that people are kind of sort of looking for.

1:26:09.400 --> 1:26:12.559
<v Speaker 6>You know what I'm saying, call when he send it

1:26:12.560 --> 1:26:13.880
<v Speaker 6>to you, because if that's the case, if you try

1:26:13.920 --> 1:26:15.920
<v Speaker 6>to be progressive and be better, then I don't want

1:26:15.920 --> 1:26:16.800
<v Speaker 6>to hear that black man.

1:26:17.040 --> 1:26:18.759
<v Speaker 5>Whatever. I don't want to hear that black man.

1:26:19.520 --> 1:26:20.760
<v Speaker 4>What's what's progressive?

1:26:21.120 --> 1:26:22.320
<v Speaker 5>Progressive. You do what I'm at.

1:26:23.000 --> 1:26:23.439
<v Speaker 4>I met.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm just saying, don't be all black man nineteen eighties,

1:26:26.360 --> 1:26:26.960
<v Speaker 5>Like I don't do.

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<v Speaker 2>That before it serves a nine hour conversation. How have

1:26:35.280 --> 1:26:41.240
<v Speaker 2>you been adjusting? How have you been how have you

1:26:41.280 --> 1:26:46.280
<v Speaker 2>been adjusting to life pre COVID Like for a lot

1:26:46.280 --> 1:26:51.320
<v Speaker 2>of us, this is the first extended break that we've

1:26:51.479 --> 1:26:52.600
<v Speaker 2>ever gotten.

1:26:54.000 --> 1:26:56.760
<v Speaker 1>And a chance to recap and reconnect with our families.

1:26:56.800 --> 1:26:58.479
<v Speaker 1>And like I've been.

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<v Speaker 4>Saying, which is which is? Which is? What has like

1:27:01.120 --> 1:27:04.000
<v Speaker 4>uh instigated at least for me to get into the

1:27:04.040 --> 1:27:07.000
<v Speaker 4>minutes of my timeline, which I still haven't finished because

1:27:07.280 --> 1:27:10.639
<v Speaker 4>I'm literally still at the beginning. Yeah, keep going, Yeah,

1:27:10.880 --> 1:27:12.639
<v Speaker 4>We're still at the beginning. You know what I'm saying.

1:27:13.280 --> 1:27:16.479
<v Speaker 4>But I'm making a point to say that is all

1:27:16.560 --> 1:27:20.000
<v Speaker 4>of these all of this baggage. I can't run away

1:27:20.040 --> 1:27:22.559
<v Speaker 4>from unpacking now. I used to be able to hide

1:27:22.600 --> 1:27:25.919
<v Speaker 4>behind working. I don't have the luxury of doing that anymore.

1:27:26.760 --> 1:27:30.360
<v Speaker 4>It meets me when I wake up, it's there. Even

1:27:30.400 --> 1:27:32.280
<v Speaker 4>when I go to sleep, I wake up in pain,

1:27:33.360 --> 1:27:39.040
<v Speaker 4>like physical muscle pain, because I know that in my sleep, I'm.

1:27:38.880 --> 1:27:43.599
<v Speaker 5>Like hell a trigger and you tense because you got.

1:27:44.960 --> 1:27:47.519
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Man, my jaws be hurting because I know I

1:27:47.600 --> 1:27:50.840
<v Speaker 4>clinch at night. I know that. You know what I'm saying, Like,

1:27:50.920 --> 1:27:54.960
<v Speaker 4>I know because I have a lot of unpacked shit,

1:27:55.600 --> 1:27:59.160
<v Speaker 4>man that I'm dealing with, like and then I have

1:27:59.400 --> 1:28:01.320
<v Speaker 4>new ship comes to me, Like I'm dealing with a

1:28:01.360 --> 1:28:07.040
<v Speaker 4>whole situation that I don't even talk about. You know

1:28:07.080 --> 1:28:09.479
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying. It's people don't know. And I know

1:28:09.520 --> 1:28:11.240
<v Speaker 4>they're like, wait, now is it gonna say anything? Is

1:28:11.640 --> 1:28:16.439
<v Speaker 4>gonna Is he gonna say anything? You know, it's a

1:28:16.439 --> 1:28:22.720
<v Speaker 4>personal situation concerning personal situation. Okay, Okay, you know what

1:28:22.760 --> 1:28:25.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying that this person whole it's a whole person

1:28:26.040 --> 1:28:29.200
<v Speaker 4>that's on a whole different wave that I can't even

1:28:29.360 --> 1:28:33.240
<v Speaker 4>understand right now, you know, and I'm trying to manage that.

1:28:33.520 --> 1:28:35.559
<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying, What the fuck.

1:28:35.439 --> 1:28:38.280
<v Speaker 5>Is the last thing that made you smile? Like, what's

1:28:38.400 --> 1:28:39.920
<v Speaker 5>what's bringing joy in your life?

1:28:40.880 --> 1:28:42.559
<v Speaker 4>I mean, my son does it? You know what I'm saying.

1:28:42.760 --> 1:28:44.680
<v Speaker 4>I'm grateful for him. He has little things that he

1:28:44.760 --> 1:28:46.760
<v Speaker 4>do in moments that I have with him. You know

1:28:46.760 --> 1:28:49.800
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying that be like you funny bro, You

1:28:49.800 --> 1:28:53.479
<v Speaker 4>know but like it's I said it to one of

1:28:53.520 --> 1:28:55.479
<v Speaker 4>my brothers, well my only brother that I really fool

1:28:55.479 --> 1:28:59.160
<v Speaker 4>with like that, Like it's so fun to be a

1:28:59.200 --> 1:29:03.120
<v Speaker 4>part of a tension oh shit moment and be like

1:29:04.080 --> 1:29:07.360
<v Speaker 4>I love you, little homie, Like I actually love you, dude.

1:29:07.560 --> 1:29:09.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm a clean this up, but I love you, you know

1:29:09.920 --> 1:29:13.880
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying, rather than what the book you know,

1:29:14.280 --> 1:29:16.800
<v Speaker 4>Like that's fun. I love being a part of that,

1:29:17.680 --> 1:29:20.640
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. Emotionally nurturing this dude, Like

1:29:21.000 --> 1:29:23.479
<v Speaker 4>I love that, Like that that brings me joy.

1:29:23.640 --> 1:29:25.920
<v Speaker 5>Being something that you didn't have, right, Like you know

1:29:26.240 --> 1:29:26.840
<v Speaker 5>that you didn't have.

1:29:27.560 --> 1:29:31.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, man, So to answer your question like immediately, the

1:29:31.600 --> 1:29:34.120
<v Speaker 4>short answer is you know things like that, you know

1:29:34.160 --> 1:29:39.519
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying, but trying to like go back to

1:29:39.520 --> 1:29:43.760
<v Speaker 4>the story. So a touch of jazz, so you know

1:29:43.960 --> 1:29:46.400
<v Speaker 4>I'm already you know, I know, I know the story.

1:29:46.439 --> 1:29:48.720
<v Speaker 4>You know, touch of jazz, jazzy, Jeff Fresh friends out

1:29:48.720 --> 1:29:51.320
<v Speaker 4>of that, you know what I'm saying, Like I didn't

1:29:51.320 --> 1:29:53.839
<v Speaker 4>sit the kool aid, bought the kool aid, bought the recipe,

1:29:53.960 --> 1:29:55.800
<v Speaker 4>tried my own version of it, you know what I'm saying,

1:29:55.840 --> 1:29:59.160
<v Speaker 4>Like I'm all the way in, but my relationship never

1:29:59.200 --> 1:30:01.280
<v Speaker 4>actually gets a stabis. I see him every now and again.

1:30:01.320 --> 1:30:04.120
<v Speaker 4>It's all love. Actually. Funny enough, it was because of

1:30:04.200 --> 1:30:09.040
<v Speaker 4>Jazzy Jeff that I was introduced to Dylan, So that's

1:30:09.080 --> 1:30:12.240
<v Speaker 4>a whole nother right. I still speak to T three.

1:30:12.240 --> 1:30:13.400
<v Speaker 4>By the way, Me and T three are a group

1:30:13.439 --> 1:30:14.960
<v Speaker 4>called trace on ninety eight. We put a song out

1:30:15.000 --> 1:30:16.280
<v Speaker 4>call Once upon a Time. You might want to go

1:30:16.400 --> 1:30:22.920
<v Speaker 4>check that out anyway. Yeah, yeah, tray so t R

1:30:22.960 --> 1:30:25.160
<v Speaker 4>A s o U L ninety eight. T R A

1:30:25.439 --> 1:30:27.920
<v Speaker 4>s o U L ninety eight. So back to touch

1:30:27.920 --> 1:30:30.600
<v Speaker 4>of Jet. So me and Carbon working on joints. We

1:30:30.680 --> 1:30:32.799
<v Speaker 4>come up with just friends, we come up with seventeen,

1:30:32.920 --> 1:30:35.479
<v Speaker 4>we come up with Girl next Door. Funny enough, Jill

1:30:35.520 --> 1:30:38.760
<v Speaker 4>Scott actually wrote the girl part on on Girl next Door.

1:30:39.320 --> 1:30:42.280
<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, yeah, okay.

1:30:42.040 --> 1:30:44.880
<v Speaker 4>But I don't know what the details went into her actually.

1:30:44.520 --> 1:30:45.599
<v Speaker 5>Being she didn't get that money.

1:30:45.680 --> 1:30:48.360
<v Speaker 4>She didn't get that money, oh okay, And we've never

1:30:48.400 --> 1:30:50.920
<v Speaker 4>talked about it since, you know what I'm saying. But

1:30:51.439 --> 1:30:53.240
<v Speaker 4>she actually wrote that part.

1:30:53.560 --> 1:30:54.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, you know what I'm saying.

1:30:55.800 --> 1:30:58.599
<v Speaker 4>But that's another story. There's a lot of strong man

1:30:58.640 --> 1:31:00.320
<v Speaker 4>stories that that I can get into, but I want

1:31:00.320 --> 1:31:02.960
<v Speaker 4>to stay focused. I'm working on all of these songs,

1:31:03.240 --> 1:31:06.080
<v Speaker 4>and in my mind, I'm not thinking, yeah, this is

1:31:06.080 --> 1:31:10.000
<v Speaker 4>gonna be my album. I'm like, oh, these are some

1:31:10.000 --> 1:31:11.920
<v Speaker 4>cool songs that I could play for people to show

1:31:11.960 --> 1:31:15.240
<v Speaker 4>them what I can do. So here it is December

1:31:15.280 --> 1:31:20.599
<v Speaker 4>of ninety nine. I'm in Georgia, and these my managers

1:31:20.600 --> 1:31:22.639
<v Speaker 4>at the time, it's like, yo, where you at. We

1:31:22.280 --> 1:31:24.360
<v Speaker 4>got gotta be in New York, you know what I'm

1:31:24.360 --> 1:31:27.320
<v Speaker 4>saying tomorrow or the next day or whatever the day was.

1:31:27.880 --> 1:31:30.000
<v Speaker 4>And I was like, for what And it was like,

1:31:30.040 --> 1:31:32.080
<v Speaker 4>because we got a deal on the table for you.

1:31:32.760 --> 1:31:34.720
<v Speaker 4>I was like, wow, what you mean what does that mean?

1:31:35.000 --> 1:31:38.040
<v Speaker 5>Oh God, you didn't know nothing, Like I'm.

1:31:37.840 --> 1:31:40.760
<v Speaker 4>Fresh off the streets, like I don't. There's no conversation

1:31:40.920 --> 1:31:47.080
<v Speaker 4>of deals, you know, there's no conversation of you know,

1:31:47.280 --> 1:31:50.439
<v Speaker 4>we're shopping you to this place in that place. If

1:31:50.439 --> 1:31:54.040
<v Speaker 4>there were, like I don't remember right right, you know,

1:31:54.120 --> 1:31:57.080
<v Speaker 4>And they definitely weren't extensive. They were you know, we're

1:31:57.080 --> 1:31:59.439
<v Speaker 4>gonna play something for these people or whatever if that was.

1:31:59.520 --> 1:32:04.960
<v Speaker 4>But I'm I'm so not dialed then I'm just recording. Yeah,

1:32:06.120 --> 1:32:07.720
<v Speaker 4>And they're like, wait, a minute, where are you? I'm like,

1:32:07.720 --> 1:32:11.599
<v Speaker 4>I'm in Atlanta? What you mean? Why are you out there? Like? See,

1:32:11.600 --> 1:32:12.840
<v Speaker 4>this is how much we don't like.

1:32:12.960 --> 1:32:16.080
<v Speaker 5>Community communicate all of us.

1:32:16.240 --> 1:32:19.559
<v Speaker 4>Yes, y'all just expected me to just be damn around

1:32:20.000 --> 1:32:22.880
<v Speaker 4>Like well, it doesn't help that the fact that I

1:32:22.920 --> 1:32:28.439
<v Speaker 4>was always around the point is, you know, if y'all

1:32:28.520 --> 1:32:30.880
<v Speaker 4>was more invested in a nigga personal life, you know,

1:32:31.600 --> 1:32:33.320
<v Speaker 4>we wouldn't get so.

1:32:33.439 --> 1:32:35.439
<v Speaker 5>Confused right now, No nigga, you're a worker.

1:32:36.280 --> 1:32:38.880
<v Speaker 4>So they're like, well, we need no nah fam, we

1:32:38.920 --> 1:32:40.759
<v Speaker 4>need we gotta get back out. And I'm like, okay,

1:32:40.800 --> 1:32:43.479
<v Speaker 4>well you know if you could, you know, you know,

1:32:44.120 --> 1:32:46.080
<v Speaker 4>throw need some bread so I can get a get

1:32:46.080 --> 1:32:47.920
<v Speaker 4>a greyhound ticket. I'll be there, you know, you know

1:32:48.000 --> 1:32:51.479
<v Speaker 4>tomorrow sometimes like greyhound, Like what do you mean greyhound?

1:32:51.640 --> 1:32:53.599
<v Speaker 4>Nah man? We need we need you back, like now,

1:32:53.720 --> 1:32:56.400
<v Speaker 4>like we get you a plane ticket. Plane Nah, bro,

1:32:56.520 --> 1:32:59.360
<v Speaker 4>I'm not getting on a plane. That's not that's not happening.

1:33:00.880 --> 1:33:02.920
<v Speaker 4>That's not happening. I'm not I'm not doing that. You're

1:33:03.439 --> 1:33:07.719
<v Speaker 4>what's the shut up and fish? All right? Yes?

1:33:07.800 --> 1:33:10.120
<v Speaker 5>Sorry I finished, that's whole sales.

1:33:10.120 --> 1:33:18.280
<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, thank you. Anyway, before I really interrupted, I

1:33:18.320 --> 1:33:19.720
<v Speaker 4>love you like I love you too.

1:33:22.960 --> 1:33:25.759
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, oh wow, I'm in love with you.

1:33:25.840 --> 1:33:26.639
<v Speaker 5>Okay, that's pause.

1:33:26.880 --> 1:33:27.880
<v Speaker 4>That's not different at all.

1:33:28.240 --> 1:33:35.760
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't know why I was so good. I

1:33:35.760 --> 1:33:38.160
<v Speaker 1>don't know why it would be creepy so awkwards. That

1:33:38.280 --> 1:33:38.759
<v Speaker 1>was so.

1:33:40.640 --> 1:33:42.599
<v Speaker 5>Like, you don't know, not creepy as in.

1:33:42.520 --> 1:33:46.320
<v Speaker 4>The lecturous way, just creepy as in a way you're

1:33:46.360 --> 1:33:51.479
<v Speaker 4>just going to hijack our moment right now. That is fun.

1:33:51.600 --> 1:33:57.439
<v Speaker 4>It's about me now, Okay, it's all love, bro. So

1:33:57.720 --> 1:33:59.599
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, no, I'm not getting on no plane like

1:33:59.680 --> 1:34:02.439
<v Speaker 4>I know Greyhound. I know that we're gonna do the

1:34:02.439 --> 1:34:05.680
<v Speaker 4>bus route. We're not getting on a plane. It was like,

1:34:05.800 --> 1:34:08.600
<v Speaker 4>you gotta be kidding me, dude. I'm like yeah, no.

1:34:09.400 --> 1:34:10.960
<v Speaker 4>And I thought I was, you know, I had I

1:34:10.960 --> 1:34:14.240
<v Speaker 4>ain't had no leverage. I thought I was negotiating. I

1:34:14.320 --> 1:34:18.559
<v Speaker 4>was negotiating because I came anyway like you. It's not

1:34:18.600 --> 1:34:22.280
<v Speaker 4>like you wasn't gonna come like right. So, And I

1:34:22.360 --> 1:34:24.160
<v Speaker 4>was in a mood because I had just cut my

1:34:24.200 --> 1:34:26.280
<v Speaker 4>lots off because I couldn't get a job in Georgia

1:34:26.320 --> 1:34:29.840
<v Speaker 4>with my lots for whatever weird reason, I don't know, Maybe.

1:34:30.479 --> 1:34:32.800
<v Speaker 5>With I don't know it's because of Raco.

1:34:32.960 --> 1:34:35.320
<v Speaker 4>I'm already I'm already in a mood. I'm in a

1:34:35.360 --> 1:34:38.080
<v Speaker 4>whole mood, you know what I'm saying. And then I

1:34:38.120 --> 1:34:42.400
<v Speaker 4>lost my job two weeks later, Like wow, okay, yeah,

1:34:42.439 --> 1:34:47.880
<v Speaker 4>this sucks. Life pretty much sucks. Yeah, And and I'm like,

1:34:48.120 --> 1:34:49.760
<v Speaker 4>I'm not having to deal with the fact that, you know,

1:34:50.000 --> 1:34:52.000
<v Speaker 4>even though I'm in Georgia, I still don't have a

1:34:52.000 --> 1:34:54.000
<v Speaker 4>good relationship with my parents, you know what I'm saying.

1:34:54.040 --> 1:34:55.760
<v Speaker 4>So that was still sucking with me. I don't know

1:34:55.800 --> 1:34:58.439
<v Speaker 4>my brother's and sistans. Yeah I know them physically know them,

1:34:58.439 --> 1:35:00.720
<v Speaker 4>but I don't. I don't know that, and you know

1:35:00.760 --> 1:35:03.280
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying. And there's a whole lot of them

1:35:03.920 --> 1:35:06.960
<v Speaker 4>weirdness that was going on at the time. But so

1:35:07.000 --> 1:35:09.800
<v Speaker 4>I was like, you know what, whatever, I'm literally not

1:35:09.880 --> 1:35:12.559
<v Speaker 4>doing anything else with my life. I'm getting up another

1:35:12.680 --> 1:35:15.040
<v Speaker 4>get it again. I'm living off of this. So this

1:35:15.120 --> 1:35:18.479
<v Speaker 4>is dude. The h was selling rooms for like fifty

1:35:18.479 --> 1:35:20.760
<v Speaker 4>dollars a week. I was like, well, that's a come

1:35:20.800 --> 1:35:22.679
<v Speaker 4>up in fifty dollars a night, you know what I'm saying.

1:35:22.720 --> 1:35:26.960
<v Speaker 4>So cool, I'll take this, But no plumbing, no no window.

1:35:27.640 --> 1:35:30.120
<v Speaker 4>It was literally just a space. It was the coming

1:35:30.120 --> 1:35:36.160
<v Speaker 4>to a complex basicly. Yeah, So like you know what

1:35:36.160 --> 1:35:37.280
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying. But I got at least I had the

1:35:37.320 --> 1:35:39.880
<v Speaker 4>luxury of living by myself, you know, and to live

1:35:39.920 --> 1:35:42.240
<v Speaker 4>on top of nobody progress. So I thought I had

1:35:42.280 --> 1:35:45.280
<v Speaker 4>a little independence, you know what I'm saying. And that

1:35:45.400 --> 1:35:48.680
<v Speaker 4>was at the time where I was. I think, I was, No,

1:35:48.760 --> 1:35:50.679
<v Speaker 4>I was, I was, I was. Where was I working?

1:35:51.560 --> 1:35:52.320
<v Speaker 5>You're still working?

1:35:53.240 --> 1:35:55.320
<v Speaker 4>I don't know. I forgot where. I've been worked at

1:35:55.320 --> 1:35:59.599
<v Speaker 4>so many places, bro, you're still working. No, no, no, no,

1:35:59.640 --> 1:36:03.600
<v Speaker 4>This is right at the time where yeh, So I

1:36:03.800 --> 1:36:05.920
<v Speaker 4>found my way back to Philly, you know what I'm saying.

1:36:05.960 --> 1:36:07.599
<v Speaker 4>And the dudes that I told you that I met

1:36:07.600 --> 1:36:09.800
<v Speaker 4>at the open mic situation that let me stay at

1:36:09.800 --> 1:36:11.720
<v Speaker 4>their crib because it was right around the corner. Now

1:36:11.760 --> 1:36:13.759
<v Speaker 4>what it was was it was a bunch of college

1:36:13.840 --> 1:36:18.920
<v Speaker 4>kids that lived in this really expensive three story, four

1:36:18.960 --> 1:36:22.479
<v Speaker 4>of the canter basement house that I'm assuming their parents

1:36:22.479 --> 1:36:24.080
<v Speaker 4>paid for. And it was like, you know, you could

1:36:24.080 --> 1:36:25.680
<v Speaker 4>just stay here for free, just pick up picker room.

1:36:25.680 --> 1:36:28.840
<v Speaker 4>It doesn't matter, like picker room. And I was like, bruh,

1:36:29.600 --> 1:36:32.519
<v Speaker 4>this is dope, you know what I'm saying. They always

1:36:32.560 --> 1:36:34.360
<v Speaker 4>had food in the fridge. It wasn't that deep. But

1:36:34.439 --> 1:36:37.000
<v Speaker 4>you know, I didn't go hungry. You know, if they

1:36:37.040 --> 1:36:39.360
<v Speaker 4>felt inclined to, they would throw me a couple of dollars,

1:36:39.439 --> 1:36:42.320
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. And it was cool, you

1:36:42.320 --> 1:36:45.800
<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying. And I started doing music with

1:36:45.840 --> 1:36:47.240
<v Speaker 4>a couple of them, but we kind of like went

1:36:47.320 --> 1:36:50.120
<v Speaker 4>in a different direction. I actually did a whole project

1:36:50.120 --> 1:36:51.760
<v Speaker 4>with a whole bunch of stuff on it, and I

1:36:51.800 --> 1:36:53.559
<v Speaker 4>got one of them on it. I did like a

1:36:53.560 --> 1:36:56.040
<v Speaker 4>Fayla inspired song and I got you know, I got

1:36:56.080 --> 1:36:57.680
<v Speaker 4>them on it, you know what I'm saying. But that

1:36:57.720 --> 1:36:59.400
<v Speaker 4>project never came out because when I ran it by

1:36:59.400 --> 1:37:01.800
<v Speaker 4>the label, it didn't sound like music job. So you know,

1:37:02.560 --> 1:37:04.080
<v Speaker 4>it was a whole proj I might need to relive

1:37:04.120 --> 1:37:05.120
<v Speaker 4>it. It was called Universal.

1:37:05.280 --> 1:37:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Where is it now?

1:37:06.680 --> 1:37:08.840
<v Speaker 4>That's just somewhere. I gotta find it. It's sill on

1:37:08.920 --> 1:37:12.040
<v Speaker 4>CD somewhere. I did a song with Frank McComb is

1:37:12.080 --> 1:37:14.400
<v Speaker 4>pretty cool, and on it I did a song I

1:37:14.439 --> 1:37:16.320
<v Speaker 4>did a song with with I did a song with

1:37:16.360 --> 1:37:19.759
<v Speaker 4>Lil John. It was like a punk rock punk punk,

1:37:21.160 --> 1:37:23.880
<v Speaker 4>black punk afro punk kind of song or whatever. That's

1:37:23.920 --> 1:37:24.400
<v Speaker 4>pretty cool.

1:37:25.560 --> 1:37:33.479
<v Speaker 6>John Roberts, Okay, yeah, I'm glad you was right because

1:37:33.479 --> 1:37:35.000
<v Speaker 6>the other would have been a problem.

1:37:35.400 --> 1:37:37.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, little John Roberts. You know, I did a record

1:37:37.320 --> 1:37:41.240
<v Speaker 4>with him. I was supposed to do a song with Rick.

1:37:41.400 --> 1:37:44.160
<v Speaker 5>But you know, oh Lord, you just called Lord.

1:37:44.960 --> 1:37:47.599
<v Speaker 4>Okay, No, I'm not saying this to just call people out.

1:37:47.840 --> 1:37:50.639
<v Speaker 4>I'm telling you about my timeline. These are the things that.

1:37:50.800 --> 1:37:53.080
<v Speaker 5>So this is still before you signed the deal.

1:37:53.439 --> 1:37:55.639
<v Speaker 4>No, this is afterwards. I just brought that up to say.

1:37:55.720 --> 1:37:58.040
<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying. These people that I lived with,

1:37:58.120 --> 1:38:00.479
<v Speaker 4>you know, I tried to, you know, bring them up

1:38:00.479 --> 1:38:03.920
<v Speaker 4>with me, but you know, opportunities just never like came

1:38:03.960 --> 1:38:08.120
<v Speaker 4>to fruition. So now I'm back in Philly and i'm

1:38:08.120 --> 1:38:10.400
<v Speaker 4>living I'm just staying with one of my managersers. I

1:38:10.400 --> 1:38:12.840
<v Speaker 4>didn't have nowhere to stay, but I knew that I

1:38:12.840 --> 1:38:14.600
<v Speaker 4>could stay with these guys if I can get in

1:38:14.680 --> 1:38:17.360
<v Speaker 4>contact with But he was like, Noah, stay with me tonight.

1:38:17.439 --> 1:38:19.840
<v Speaker 4>So I didn't know where you are right now, We're

1:38:19.880 --> 1:38:22.000
<v Speaker 4>going to all go to New York together, you know

1:38:22.000 --> 1:38:25.880
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying. So that was the first time ever No,

1:38:25.920 --> 1:38:27.240
<v Speaker 4>I didn't get on the plane. Then I got on

1:38:27.280 --> 1:38:29.040
<v Speaker 4>the plane when I had to do the show up

1:38:29.040 --> 1:38:31.880
<v Speaker 4>to the premiere of The Nutty Professor too, because I

1:38:31.920 --> 1:38:34.800
<v Speaker 4>was on the soundtrack in LA. That's when I showed up.

1:38:35.000 --> 1:38:36.880
<v Speaker 4>That's when I actually took a plane. You know what

1:38:36.920 --> 1:38:38.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying, freak.

1:38:37.840 --> 1:38:40.840
<v Speaker 5>You out because that's a five hour Yeah, there really was.

1:38:41.000 --> 1:38:42.800
<v Speaker 4>It really, it really did freak me out, you know

1:38:42.840 --> 1:38:44.719
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying at the premiere. And at the premiere

1:38:44.760 --> 1:38:46.640
<v Speaker 4>I ran into biblical thoughts while she was eating. I

1:38:46.680 --> 1:38:48.880
<v Speaker 4>was so starstruking. I wanted the picture. She was like, sir,

1:38:50.200 --> 1:39:01.040
<v Speaker 4>I'm eating. I was likepoint left. Sorry, she was cute anyway.

1:39:01.479 --> 1:39:03.280
<v Speaker 4>I know I'm like going off on tangents, but this

1:39:03.439 --> 1:39:11.200
<v Speaker 4>is you know, yeah, so but New York. So I'm

1:39:11.240 --> 1:39:15.519
<v Speaker 4>sitting in front of Kevin Lows. That's so with a

1:39:15.600 --> 1:39:19.559
<v Speaker 4>fresh haircut. Well it's not not. It was a fresh haircut.

1:39:19.720 --> 1:39:23.200
<v Speaker 4>It was just freshly cut. Okay. I didn't have time

1:39:23.240 --> 1:39:26.840
<v Speaker 4>to get a cut up. So I'm wolfing. I don't

1:39:26.880 --> 1:39:27.559
<v Speaker 4>have no coat.

1:39:28.160 --> 1:39:31.880
<v Speaker 2>That's how I know you from Philly.

1:39:33.840 --> 1:39:37.240
<v Speaker 4>So I got to borrow my manager's coat, who was

1:39:37.320 --> 1:39:45.280
<v Speaker 4>what six six and telling stories.

1:39:45.320 --> 1:39:46.479
<v Speaker 5>Okay, yes you're figuring it out.

1:39:46.479 --> 1:39:49.559
<v Speaker 4>But let's I'm in this big bubble coat, this big

1:39:49.600 --> 1:39:52.120
<v Speaker 4>brown bubble coat. I think it was fat Farm. I

1:39:52.120 --> 1:39:56.679
<v Speaker 4>don't know. And I'm sitting there, you know, red Man

1:39:56.720 --> 1:39:59.160
<v Speaker 4>is sitting on the table. I'm talking to this dude

1:39:59.160 --> 1:40:01.280
<v Speaker 4>I never met before, ever heard of, Kevin Lewles because

1:40:01.280 --> 1:40:02.639
<v Speaker 4>I'm thinking because when I asked him on the phone,

1:40:02.640 --> 1:40:04.000
<v Speaker 4>I was They was like, yeah, we got a deal

1:40:04.000 --> 1:40:05.439
<v Speaker 4>for you on the table. I was like deal, what

1:40:05.479 --> 1:40:06.960
<v Speaker 4>you mean? Like what does that mean? No, we got

1:40:07.000 --> 1:40:08.800
<v Speaker 4>we signed your record deal. I was like, well, who

1:40:09.080 --> 1:40:11.160
<v Speaker 4>with depth? Jam? Give me like with Russell Simmons in them.

1:40:11.360 --> 1:40:13.720
<v Speaker 4>They was like, no, man, Russell Simmons is not over

1:40:13.800 --> 1:40:15.439
<v Speaker 4>depth jamm. And I was like, I don't know. I

1:40:15.520 --> 1:40:18.200
<v Speaker 4>just you said depth Jam Russell Simmons, It's all I know.

1:40:18.840 --> 1:40:20.559
<v Speaker 4>He was like, nah, it's just dude, that Kevin Lews.

1:40:20.600 --> 1:40:26.439
<v Speaker 4>I was like, oh, like Kevin lows Like. I was like, damn,

1:40:26.479 --> 1:40:28.839
<v Speaker 4>I don't hear the bell, bro. Sorry, it was a virgin.

1:40:29.520 --> 1:40:34.439
<v Speaker 4>People don't understand how a virgin how like not knowing

1:40:34.479 --> 1:40:38.120
<v Speaker 4>that I was, you know what I'm saying, super agreed.

1:40:39.080 --> 1:40:44.400
<v Speaker 4>I was vegan damn anyway, not technically, but anyway, so

1:40:45.000 --> 1:40:48.799
<v Speaker 4>you get it. So I'm in I'm in Kevin Law's

1:40:48.840 --> 1:40:51.679
<v Speaker 4>office and they're talking to me about all of this stuff.

1:40:51.720 --> 1:40:54.519
<v Speaker 4>That's like, bruh, I have no idea what any of

1:40:54.560 --> 1:40:57.320
<v Speaker 4>you are talking about. Right now, here's what I proposed.

1:40:57.439 --> 1:40:59.599
<v Speaker 4>Since you like to work so much, won't you give

1:40:59.640 --> 1:41:01.160
<v Speaker 4>me the break and let me go back in the

1:41:01.200 --> 1:41:04.920
<v Speaker 4>studio and work on what I want to work on. No, Nah,

1:41:05.200 --> 1:41:08.120
<v Speaker 4>these songs are great, bro, These songs are great. You

1:41:08.160 --> 1:41:10.320
<v Speaker 4>should put these out. I don't want to put these

1:41:10.320 --> 1:41:13.840
<v Speaker 4>out because these don't represent how I feel about presenting

1:41:13.880 --> 1:41:18.120
<v Speaker 4>myself as mind you music. Soul Child wasn't even the name.

1:41:18.439 --> 1:41:18.960
<v Speaker 5>What is it?

1:41:19.560 --> 1:41:22.840
<v Speaker 4>People knew me as music? Technically it is, but people

1:41:22.880 --> 1:41:25.559
<v Speaker 4>knew me as music. But if I but I told myself,

1:41:25.640 --> 1:41:28.080
<v Speaker 4>if I ever became a thing, I would call myself.

1:41:28.080 --> 1:41:32.160
<v Speaker 4>Soul Child got because I represented the thing that I

1:41:32.200 --> 1:41:35.439
<v Speaker 4>was trying to do. But I got the No, bro, like,

1:41:35.479 --> 1:41:38.360
<v Speaker 4>people already know you as music, so why would you

1:41:38.400 --> 1:41:42.800
<v Speaker 4>do No nobody know me, but.

1:41:42.760 --> 1:41:43.639
<v Speaker 1>You got the compromise.

1:41:43.680 --> 1:41:45.280
<v Speaker 5>You got the compromise.

1:41:45.640 --> 1:41:47.240
<v Speaker 4>So I said, you know what, how about we do this?

1:41:47.280 --> 1:41:49.679
<v Speaker 4>How about we put it together. We got music soul

1:41:49.760 --> 1:41:52.040
<v Speaker 4>chouts like it's like bust rhymes. You know, it's like

1:41:52.040 --> 1:41:54.479
<v Speaker 4>a try call question the whole thing, you know what

1:41:54.520 --> 1:41:57.200
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying. So they was like, cool, fuck it whatever,

1:41:57.280 --> 1:41:58.439
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying, as long as we get

1:41:58.439 --> 1:41:59.960
<v Speaker 4>the music. I was like, okay, that's why they were

1:42:00.080 --> 1:42:03.240
<v Speaker 4>was a discrepancy around like my second album, because I

1:42:03.280 --> 1:42:06.559
<v Speaker 4>was like, I don't feel authentic with this name, like

1:42:08.320 --> 1:42:09.920
<v Speaker 4>it would be different. No no, no, no, no no no,

1:42:11.880 --> 1:42:14.479
<v Speaker 4>it will be different if I was actually living up

1:42:14.520 --> 1:42:16.360
<v Speaker 4>to the name. But I don't feel like I'm living

1:42:16.439 --> 1:42:18.519
<v Speaker 4>up to the name. So until I do, I don't

1:42:18.560 --> 1:42:23.040
<v Speaker 4>think that is it's it's authentic, you know what I'm saying.

1:42:23.160 --> 1:42:24.920
<v Speaker 4>For me to call myself the full name, let me

1:42:24.920 --> 1:42:28.320
<v Speaker 4>focus on it because, as it turns out, y'all have

1:42:28.439 --> 1:42:33.639
<v Speaker 4>been running this show. Music is y'all's thing. Somehow along

1:42:33.680 --> 1:42:36.240
<v Speaker 4>the line broken telephone, everybody got the word you better

1:42:36.280 --> 1:42:38.880
<v Speaker 4>not call them soul child. So people will be like,

1:42:38.960 --> 1:42:41.080
<v Speaker 4>so is it music? Is it? Like why y'all keep

1:42:41.120 --> 1:42:43.519
<v Speaker 4>asking me this question? No, because we keep getting told.

1:42:43.560 --> 1:42:44.840
<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying, like, you know we better

1:42:44.920 --> 1:42:47.080
<v Speaker 4>enough because you would get mad or some shit, some weird.

1:42:47.120 --> 1:42:50.360
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, dude, whoa, oh, y'all doing way too much.

1:42:51.240 --> 1:42:54.400
<v Speaker 4>And that's why after the third album, I was like,

1:42:54.439 --> 1:42:56.559
<v Speaker 4>you know what, let me help y'all out. Let's bring

1:42:56.600 --> 1:43:00.719
<v Speaker 4>it back to me because apparently I can't get around it. Okay, cool,

1:43:00.920 --> 1:43:03.679
<v Speaker 4>let's go back to music. Soul Child. But then even

1:43:03.920 --> 1:43:07.440
<v Speaker 4>more confusion, you know what I'm saying, because they couldn't

1:43:07.439 --> 1:43:11.439
<v Speaker 4>deny that they were basically being browbeaten by I don't know,

1:43:12.240 --> 1:43:17.840
<v Speaker 4>the death Jangoons to you know, fall in line and

1:43:17.880 --> 1:43:20.280
<v Speaker 4>now mind you. I'm not a part of none of this,

1:43:20.600 --> 1:43:25.200
<v Speaker 4>but I gotta get in front of it. Though again communication,

1:43:25.840 --> 1:43:30.560
<v Speaker 4>no one's talking to me about any what you want?

1:43:30.840 --> 1:43:31.080
<v Speaker 1>Right?

1:43:31.840 --> 1:43:35.000
<v Speaker 4>And then they got moved over to Atlantic and they

1:43:35.080 --> 1:43:40.599
<v Speaker 4>kept going. So when I tell people in twenty what fifteen,

1:43:41.960 --> 1:43:44.960
<v Speaker 4>I haven't even gotten started yet, They're like, what are

1:43:44.960 --> 1:43:47.720
<v Speaker 4>you talking about? You're like, ain't you you?

1:43:48.400 --> 1:43:48.960
<v Speaker 5>They don't know.

1:43:50.360 --> 1:43:52.360
<v Speaker 4>How can I communicate that to the How can I

1:43:52.400 --> 1:43:55.479
<v Speaker 4>make this make sense to people? It's gonna have fifteen years.

1:43:55.680 --> 1:44:01.960
<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna have to ask Deanna, like, a, you.

1:44:01.840 --> 1:44:04.800
<v Speaker 4>Know, it's been fifteen years and I still feel like

1:44:05.120 --> 1:44:09.160
<v Speaker 4>I haven't. I haven't done me yet. You didn't feel

1:44:09.160 --> 1:44:12.599
<v Speaker 4>like feel the real was doing you. That's in that's

1:44:12.680 --> 1:44:13.439
<v Speaker 4>in seventeen.

1:44:14.320 --> 1:44:16.439
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, oh you you're talking about But to.

1:44:16.360 --> 1:44:18.720
<v Speaker 4>Answer your question, but you answer your question, yes, but

1:44:18.880 --> 1:44:22.559
<v Speaker 4>before we got signed, but before you got to that then,

1:44:22.640 --> 1:44:26.160
<v Speaker 4>But even then, that was me doing me with things

1:44:26.160 --> 1:44:28.680
<v Speaker 4>that probably wouldn't have seen the light of day. So

1:44:28.720 --> 1:44:30.439
<v Speaker 4>you think of it, think of feel the rails like

1:44:30.479 --> 1:44:34.160
<v Speaker 4>a like a lost tapes, so to speaks. Now it's

1:44:34.200 --> 1:44:36.320
<v Speaker 4>just lost tape. That's what that feels like to me,

1:44:37.280 --> 1:44:39.719
<v Speaker 4>because that wasn't me going in the studio and actually

1:44:39.760 --> 1:44:41.920
<v Speaker 4>working on things from the ground up. That was like

1:44:42.160 --> 1:44:45.520
<v Speaker 4>stuff that I had around that I thought was doper

1:44:45.560 --> 1:44:47.240
<v Speaker 4>than anything. Like a lot of those songs are like

1:44:47.360 --> 1:44:51.759
<v Speaker 4>ten years old, wow almost you know what I'm saying,

1:44:53.439 --> 1:44:55.360
<v Speaker 4>or at least the concepts of it. I just pulled

1:44:55.400 --> 1:44:56.880
<v Speaker 4>back from the vault. You know what I'm sayingybe not

1:44:56.880 --> 1:44:59.040
<v Speaker 4>ten years old. Maybe that's putting extras on it, you

1:44:59.120 --> 1:45:04.280
<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying. But I'm like way older than Yeah,

1:45:04.400 --> 1:45:09.280
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. What life on Earth was different?

1:45:09.280 --> 1:45:12.519
<v Speaker 4>Because that was all Warren Campbell. Literally every song is

1:45:12.560 --> 1:45:15.040
<v Speaker 4>Warren Campbell. Now there is a song on there that

1:45:15.280 --> 1:45:18.280
<v Speaker 4>is like about ten years old. It's called Alive and well,

1:45:18.680 --> 1:45:20.240
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying that I did way way

1:45:20.280 --> 1:45:23.600
<v Speaker 4>way back. Fiel the Real actually played one of the

1:45:23.640 --> 1:45:26.840
<v Speaker 4>songs and for Benefits. I played that for all for Knife. Okay,

1:45:27.439 --> 1:45:29.639
<v Speaker 4>I played Benefits for Knife and Knife was like, Yo,

1:45:29.720 --> 1:45:31.439
<v Speaker 4>so what we doing? Like we're trying to sign the

1:45:31.560 --> 1:45:36.320
<v Speaker 4>Jamler Like I'm like, like, it's not that simple. Like

1:45:36.360 --> 1:45:39.960
<v Speaker 4>I have a engagement with a whole other company that

1:45:41.080 --> 1:45:46.960
<v Speaker 4>I have a contract with. I love you that right now.

1:45:47.920 --> 1:45:50.759
<v Speaker 4>We can have a conversation later. You know what I'm saying.

1:45:51.160 --> 1:45:53.160
<v Speaker 4>That's why Rap is on it. You know what I'm saying,

1:45:53.240 --> 1:45:55.559
<v Speaker 4>because I give him for Rap because I'm like, yo,

1:45:55.840 --> 1:45:57.800
<v Speaker 4>I need Rap on my ship, like I need her,

1:45:57.920 --> 1:46:01.840
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, that's why she's

1:46:01.880 --> 1:46:07.400
<v Speaker 4>on the on the on the Life on Earth. Yeah, no,

1:46:07.520 --> 1:46:10.920
<v Speaker 4>she's on the She's on a joint called far Gone

1:46:11.479 --> 1:46:13.679
<v Speaker 4>uh on Life on Earth. You know what I'm saying.

1:46:13.760 --> 1:46:17.000
<v Speaker 4>That's how she got on here. But and I actually

1:46:17.000 --> 1:46:19.200
<v Speaker 4>wanted to do a whole project with Rap, you know

1:46:19.280 --> 1:46:21.920
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying. But I think you know, you know,

1:46:22.040 --> 1:46:25.360
<v Speaker 4>the communication got got broke down. You know what I'm saying.

1:46:25.400 --> 1:46:27.280
<v Speaker 4>We got a whole talk about it, you know what

1:46:27.320 --> 1:46:29.080
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying, at least me and him, Me and Rap

1:46:29.080 --> 1:46:30.400
<v Speaker 4>didn't really talk about it. I told her that it

1:46:30.520 --> 1:46:32.320
<v Speaker 4>was something that I wanted to do, but we didn't

1:46:32.400 --> 1:46:34.840
<v Speaker 4>really like discussed disgusted it, but I disgusted it with

1:46:34.920 --> 1:46:37.000
<v Speaker 4>him like yo, and the whole ship could be produced

1:46:37.000 --> 1:46:39.360
<v Speaker 4>by all Jambler producers, like I don't care, Like I

1:46:39.360 --> 1:46:41.600
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't go right now. You know what I'm saying. You

1:46:41.640 --> 1:46:45.439
<v Speaker 4>know you got you got Jones, you got Crisis, you

1:46:45.479 --> 1:46:48.040
<v Speaker 4>got you know, you know what I'm saying, You got

1:46:48.080 --> 1:46:50.519
<v Speaker 4>all these people that does mad good ship. You know

1:46:50.560 --> 1:46:52.760
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying. You got you you know, let's go.

1:46:53.479 --> 1:46:56.559
<v Speaker 4>But you know, it just never happened. So hopefully, you know,

1:46:58.880 --> 1:47:01.800
<v Speaker 4>a music and rhapsody produced by you know, all GAM

1:47:01.800 --> 1:47:03.960
<v Speaker 4>producers might happen. Might not. I don't know that would

1:47:03.960 --> 1:47:04.280
<v Speaker 4>be dope.

1:47:04.320 --> 1:47:07.519
<v Speaker 5>But you just getting started so ship like yeah, you.

1:47:07.520 --> 1:47:09.240
<v Speaker 4>Know what I'm saying, It got so bad. I literally

1:47:09.320 --> 1:47:11.760
<v Speaker 4>just started starting up groups with everybody. That's why me

1:47:11.800 --> 1:47:14.080
<v Speaker 4>and two three are a group. You know what I'm saying,

1:47:14.080 --> 1:47:16.000
<v Speaker 4>because I was like, I need to start doing me now,

1:47:16.120 --> 1:47:17.599
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying, and I want to work

1:47:17.640 --> 1:47:21.200
<v Speaker 4>with everybody. I actually was talking. I don't know how

1:47:21.240 --> 1:47:23.400
<v Speaker 4>realistic it is, but I was talking to Robert. I

1:47:23.479 --> 1:47:26.080
<v Speaker 4>was like, yo, I think me bellowing Jazzman need to

1:47:26.120 --> 1:47:27.639
<v Speaker 4>be a group and you should produce the whole thing.

1:47:27.960 --> 1:47:31.320
<v Speaker 6>She's aloud and I talked to Jazz about it.

1:47:31.400 --> 1:47:33.519
<v Speaker 4>She was like, you did you? Did you talk to Blon?

1:47:33.920 --> 1:47:37.720
<v Speaker 4>It was like, right, no, I didn't. Actually now I

1:47:37.720 --> 1:47:39.200
<v Speaker 4>don't have his number and I have no way of

1:47:39.240 --> 1:47:41.160
<v Speaker 4>contacting him. You know what I'm saying. I used to

1:47:41.680 --> 1:47:43.000
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying, But he would just you.

1:47:42.960 --> 1:47:44.959
<v Speaker 5>Know, it's so funny.

1:47:44.760 --> 1:47:46.800
<v Speaker 4>Because you know, stop taking my calls after a while.

1:47:46.800 --> 1:47:51.519
<v Speaker 4>I don't know why, but I don't know. People just different.

1:47:51.840 --> 1:47:54.320
<v Speaker 4>People just move. I guess, you know whatever. I just so,

1:47:54.360 --> 1:47:55.519
<v Speaker 4>I just stopped. I just stopped calling.

1:47:55.680 --> 1:48:00.160
<v Speaker 1>You know, isn't called social media, right.

1:48:00.800 --> 1:48:03.360
<v Speaker 4>Oh you have to you're under the impression that I

1:48:03.439 --> 1:48:05.000
<v Speaker 4>frequent those.

1:48:05.520 --> 1:48:08.280
<v Speaker 5>I don't at all A new phone number.

1:48:08.800 --> 1:48:10.439
<v Speaker 1>One's number. I just DMS.

1:48:10.920 --> 1:48:13.639
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't even I don't DM. I don't ain't

1:48:13.640 --> 1:48:16.080
<v Speaker 4>gonna be no music versus probably not.

1:48:17.000 --> 1:48:18.960
<v Speaker 5>I'm literally enjoy it anyway.

1:48:19.120 --> 1:48:24.680
<v Speaker 4>I literally literally literally yes, that would sugar fest for me.

1:48:24.760 --> 1:48:25.559
<v Speaker 5>You're so right.

1:48:25.680 --> 1:48:30.400
<v Speaker 4>I'm so sorry that would be a versus you would be.

1:48:29.920 --> 1:48:31.880
<v Speaker 1>I figure be quite the opposite.

1:48:32.280 --> 1:48:36.840
<v Speaker 4>Then somebody needs to be represented on my behalf because

1:48:36.840 --> 1:48:42.840
<v Speaker 4>I'll just be there like well, my question is is.

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<v Speaker 1>There a part of you?

1:48:43.880 --> 1:48:45.799
<v Speaker 4>Is there a part of you even in the midst

1:48:45.800 --> 1:48:48.080
<v Speaker 4>of you know, feeling like you know when you talk

1:48:48.120 --> 1:48:50.280
<v Speaker 4>about not being able to really represent yourself and kind

1:48:50.280 --> 1:48:53.160
<v Speaker 4>of what those early records represent, is there a part

1:48:53.200 --> 1:48:56.920
<v Speaker 4>of you that does feel like you did in many

1:48:56.920 --> 1:49:01.800
<v Speaker 4>ways get the last laugh because of everyone that, yeah,

1:49:01.960 --> 1:49:05.120
<v Speaker 4>nigga like because in the midst of that soul carrying photo,

1:49:07.160 --> 1:49:10.800
<v Speaker 4>you're the one that had the most like chart success,

1:49:10.840 --> 1:49:14.840
<v Speaker 4>the most long don't even think about that.

1:49:16.080 --> 1:49:18.360
<v Speaker 5>Because of it, because of the check, because they don't even.

1:49:18.240 --> 1:49:21.200
<v Speaker 4>Think about winning. You gotta understand, I don't see if

1:49:21.240 --> 1:49:26.679
<v Speaker 4>I want, I don't even see the win. Guess why

1:49:26.680 --> 1:49:27.200
<v Speaker 4>I don't see the.

1:49:27.200 --> 1:49:29.120
<v Speaker 5>On But you're not working at the piece of spot.

1:49:31.479 --> 1:49:36.439
<v Speaker 4>Perception. It's everybody loves citing my timeline to me like

1:49:36.520 --> 1:49:39.599
<v Speaker 4>I'm not me, like I get it. I get it.

1:49:40.479 --> 1:49:42.160
<v Speaker 5>That's not that people's way. I'm trying to make sense.

1:49:43.000 --> 1:49:45.519
<v Speaker 4>No, no, And like I always say, people always try

1:49:45.520 --> 1:49:48.400
<v Speaker 4>to rationalize it, you know what I'm saying, because they

1:49:48.400 --> 1:49:51.240
<v Speaker 4>don't want to contend with the reality that everything that

1:49:51.240 --> 1:49:55.479
<v Speaker 4>I've done up until now is was per request. So

1:49:55.600 --> 1:49:57.720
<v Speaker 4>even if the fact that it was successful doesn't mean

1:49:57.760 --> 1:50:00.680
<v Speaker 4>anything to you, it's like, no, no, no, it was us.

1:50:00.840 --> 1:50:03.200
<v Speaker 4>But which But if you want me to be all

1:50:03.280 --> 1:50:06.519
<v Speaker 4>up at arms about how great I did, I didn't

1:50:06.560 --> 1:50:09.920
<v Speaker 4>do great. It was a collective effort, you know what

1:50:09.960 --> 1:50:12.720
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying, And it was, but it was it was.

1:50:13.000 --> 1:50:16.519
<v Speaker 4>It was a collective effort, but it was It was

1:50:16.960 --> 1:50:21.400
<v Speaker 4>essentially under the rest, you know what I'm saying. Not

1:50:21.439 --> 1:50:23.400
<v Speaker 4>that nobody was putting a gun in my head, but

1:50:23.520 --> 1:50:25.960
<v Speaker 4>I didn't really have any other opportunities. So my best bet.

1:50:26.040 --> 1:50:27.760
<v Speaker 4>There was a whole span between my third and my

1:50:27.800 --> 1:50:30.200
<v Speaker 4>fourth album that I was on the phone with members

1:50:30.240 --> 1:50:32.479
<v Speaker 4>of the label and they were trying to explain to me,

1:50:32.600 --> 1:50:35.640
<v Speaker 4>like Sam, if you don't move in this direction, it

1:50:35.680 --> 1:50:40.360
<v Speaker 4>could very well be over for you. Yeah, And I

1:50:40.400 --> 1:50:41.719
<v Speaker 4>had to sit with that.

1:50:41.760 --> 1:50:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Like it's not good with Lee or or Julie or

1:50:45.920 --> 1:50:46.320
<v Speaker 2>any of that.

1:50:46.439 --> 1:50:47.760
<v Speaker 4>Oh, I ain't got no beef with le Or and

1:50:47.840 --> 1:50:51.639
<v Speaker 4>Julie like that. I never really dealt with them directly, Yeah, okay,

1:50:53.640 --> 1:50:58.479
<v Speaker 4>in passing. I would see them in passing and it

1:50:58.600 --> 1:51:00.840
<v Speaker 4>was all up. Like I have literally truly no beef

1:51:00.840 --> 1:51:03.240
<v Speaker 4>with either one. I don't have a relationship with them,

1:51:03.520 --> 1:51:06.080
<v Speaker 4>more so with Julie than lee Ark. But even then

1:51:06.160 --> 1:51:09.280
<v Speaker 4>it's like it's touch and go, Like I don't you

1:51:09.360 --> 1:51:11.680
<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying. It was. It was I went

1:51:11.760 --> 1:51:14.840
<v Speaker 4>to work, you know those doors we work together, you

1:51:14.880 --> 1:51:19.480
<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying. My relationship was directly with Kevin Lyles,

1:51:19.920 --> 1:51:23.840
<v Speaker 4>and even sometimes not even with him. It was on

1:51:24.040 --> 1:51:30.920
<v Speaker 4>at the behead stuff Kevin Lyles, you know what I'm saying. Right, So, yeah, Like,

1:51:31.040 --> 1:51:33.080
<v Speaker 4>and it's hard, And that's why I don't talk about

1:51:33.080 --> 1:51:37.240
<v Speaker 4>it because I know how much it undermines people's relationship

1:51:37.680 --> 1:51:40.840
<v Speaker 4>with my music and the expectations they have of what

1:51:40.920 --> 1:51:43.400
<v Speaker 4>they gonna get. So I try. I do my best

1:51:43.439 --> 1:51:45.639
<v Speaker 4>to live up to it. But when you start getting

1:51:45.680 --> 1:51:48.120
<v Speaker 4>older and you start looking yourself in the mirror after

1:51:48.479 --> 1:51:50.840
<v Speaker 4>you just did you know, some shucking and driving, you

1:51:50.880 --> 1:51:53.800
<v Speaker 4>don't feel good on the inside. So yeah, even though

1:51:53.960 --> 1:51:57.360
<v Speaker 4>I can account for the successes and I'm eternally grateful

1:51:57.439 --> 1:51:59.559
<v Speaker 4>for the blessings that came from it, because I wouldn't

1:51:59.600 --> 1:52:01.679
<v Speaker 4>even have an name of credibility or way to provide

1:52:01.720 --> 1:52:04.120
<v Speaker 4>for myself and loved ones. That's not lost on me

1:52:04.240 --> 1:52:07.160
<v Speaker 4>at all. It doesn't take away the real reality though,

1:52:07.479 --> 1:52:11.639
<v Speaker 4>that my time Bruh is with hell wow.

1:52:11.840 --> 1:52:16.000
<v Speaker 1>So let me ask, how would you explain.

1:52:17.360 --> 1:52:21.639
<v Speaker 2>Your twenty year experience as far as your creative output,

1:52:22.240 --> 1:52:28.280
<v Speaker 2>your your actual albums, your art. How do you explain

1:52:28.320 --> 1:52:30.360
<v Speaker 2>that to your son? How do you break it down

1:52:30.400 --> 1:52:31.720
<v Speaker 2>to him? How do you present it to him?

1:52:31.720 --> 1:52:33.960
<v Speaker 4>He doesn't care. That's the that's the that's how I

1:52:33.960 --> 1:52:36.240
<v Speaker 4>get off. He doesn't care. He doesn't even know what's

1:52:36.240 --> 1:52:39.360
<v Speaker 4>the thing, but he will. It's not part of his day.

1:52:40.479 --> 1:52:45.400
<v Speaker 1>He literally has no clue that you're this music icon.

1:52:45.600 --> 1:52:48.360
<v Speaker 4>Has He literally not just me, his mom.

1:52:48.560 --> 1:52:49.760
<v Speaker 5>I was about to say his mom too.

1:52:49.920 --> 1:52:51.960
<v Speaker 4>You don't know he gets it. He gets an honest

1:52:52.080 --> 1:52:56.280
<v Speaker 4>both ways, and he literally has no clue. He isn't

1:52:56.280 --> 1:52:59.479
<v Speaker 4>even like a singing to him. He gets emotional. Wow

1:52:59.720 --> 1:53:05.800
<v Speaker 4>Lively starts crying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, crazy, I mean, but

1:53:05.880 --> 1:53:08.200
<v Speaker 4>you know he has his challenges. You know, he's not

1:53:08.439 --> 1:53:11.160
<v Speaker 4>he's not really good at communicating his emotions and his thoughts.

1:53:11.200 --> 1:53:13.800
<v Speaker 4>Like that's a challenge. So we don't know whether that's

1:53:13.800 --> 1:53:16.559
<v Speaker 4>a police stop or please don't know what's going on,

1:53:16.800 --> 1:53:19.360
<v Speaker 4>like you know, so we're still we're still managing that,

1:53:19.439 --> 1:53:21.439
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. But I don't take it

1:53:21.479 --> 1:53:23.920
<v Speaker 4>away like I actually preferred that he doesn't know, so that,

1:53:24.000 --> 1:53:27.679
<v Speaker 4>you know, all he sees is Daddy, That's all he sees.

1:53:27.800 --> 1:53:30.280
<v Speaker 4>You know, I don't want to better. You know what

1:53:30.320 --> 1:53:32.599
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying. I better, you know what I'm saying, because

1:53:32.640 --> 1:53:33.920
<v Speaker 4>I want I want him to like dude.

1:53:34.920 --> 1:53:39.680
<v Speaker 2>See see often the QLs family will do this to

1:53:39.760 --> 1:53:44.599
<v Speaker 2>me because I hate the idea of roses or taking

1:53:44.680 --> 1:53:48.920
<v Speaker 2>roses or accepting compliments or uh.

1:53:51.280 --> 1:53:55.280
<v Speaker 4>But I mean, let me just say, you know, okay,

1:53:55.360 --> 1:53:59.719
<v Speaker 4>were about to get super you know, I wasn't.

1:53:59.720 --> 1:54:08.519
<v Speaker 1>In it is now he's.

1:54:04.320 --> 1:54:05.080
<v Speaker 5>That it doesn't matter.

1:54:05.320 --> 1:54:09.840
<v Speaker 6>Take a paw ta take this good ship music right now.

1:54:10.400 --> 1:54:12.320
<v Speaker 6>Don't make me call you by your government. Take this

1:54:12.360 --> 1:54:13.479
<v Speaker 6>good ship go ahead of mirror.

1:54:14.520 --> 1:54:19.600
<v Speaker 1>No dog, I'm just saying that you have done.

1:54:19.800 --> 1:54:26.120
<v Speaker 2>A great service. You have, Dude, you you've made at

1:54:26.160 --> 1:54:29.040
<v Speaker 2>the definitive. You made a definitive wedding song.

1:54:29.960 --> 1:54:33.080
<v Speaker 4>That's hard not a wedding song. It's not a wedding song,

1:54:33.200 --> 1:54:36.120
<v Speaker 4>no matter what. Wait wait, wait, which one are you

1:54:36.160 --> 1:54:40.160
<v Speaker 4>talking to? I've been at least to wedding really do

1:54:40.240 --> 1:54:41.600
<v Speaker 4>the two.

1:54:42.080 --> 1:54:44.120
<v Speaker 1>I've been to ten weddings where love is the new

1:54:44.200 --> 1:54:45.920
<v Speaker 1>you and I you know how?

1:54:48.000 --> 1:54:51.520
<v Speaker 4>No, No, it's an emo song? You know emo? That

1:54:51.600 --> 1:54:52.120
<v Speaker 4>song is?

1:54:52.560 --> 1:54:54.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh? Wait? Is this another reasons?

1:54:56.760 --> 1:55:01.720
<v Speaker 4>An inside joke with earthwinder Fire reason not being the

1:55:01.760 --> 1:55:05.200
<v Speaker 4>song that black people mean it for. But I didn't

1:55:05.240 --> 1:55:07.200
<v Speaker 4>know that and funny enough and that you brought that up.

1:55:07.240 --> 1:55:10.040
<v Speaker 4>I actually remade that song with Warren Campbell. It's pretty lick.

1:55:10.080 --> 1:55:12.839
<v Speaker 4>You want to go check it out. So, man, speaking

1:55:12.880 --> 1:55:15.760
<v Speaker 4>of Warren camp So you talk about, you know, songs

1:55:15.760 --> 1:55:19.240
<v Speaker 4>not representing you, please tell me is until one of

1:55:19.280 --> 1:55:20.800
<v Speaker 4>the songs that represents Yeah.

1:55:20.800 --> 1:55:21.640
<v Speaker 1>I got the.

1:55:21.680 --> 1:55:28.280
<v Speaker 4>Pleasure of perform the radio station in l A A

1:55:28.520 --> 1:55:35.520
<v Speaker 4>K K J L H by Stevie Wonder and Stokely

1:55:35.560 --> 1:55:40.560
<v Speaker 4>Williams called in and was like brodition. That was what

1:55:40.800 --> 1:55:45.320
<v Speaker 4>like a freaking highlight okay, and that's why I was produced.

1:55:45.920 --> 1:55:50.000
<v Speaker 4>That was produced by Warren Campbell with a gap band

1:55:50.160 --> 1:55:54.280
<v Speaker 4>really Charlie Wilson sample in it, and I'm also referencing

1:55:54.360 --> 1:55:58.440
<v Speaker 4>Marvin Gay like I can't make that up. No, I

1:55:58.480 --> 1:56:03.360
<v Speaker 4>love that song Ago and the resident DJ. I can't

1:56:03.720 --> 1:56:06.400
<v Speaker 4>make that up, bro, Like that was a highlight of

1:56:06.480 --> 1:56:10.480
<v Speaker 4>my life. And then Stephen decides to get on the

1:56:10.600 --> 1:56:14.360
<v Speaker 4>Keys Live on Radio, has to get on radio Live

1:56:14.520 --> 1:56:17.840
<v Speaker 4>Live on Radio and place Keys. You're like egging me

1:56:17.880 --> 1:56:20.760
<v Speaker 4>to sing love, you know what I'm saying, Like like

1:56:21.040 --> 1:56:26.360
<v Speaker 4>Stevie is literally the God, like literally for me, you

1:56:26.440 --> 1:56:29.920
<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying. So just to wrap up the

1:56:30.000 --> 1:56:31.120
<v Speaker 4>question that you asked me.

1:56:31.320 --> 1:56:33.800
<v Speaker 1>I asked I'm trying to give you a compliment, but.

1:56:35.080 --> 1:56:39.280
<v Speaker 4>The previous question, the previous question, the previous question, you

1:56:39.320 --> 1:56:41.560
<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying. And also to sew up a

1:56:41.560 --> 1:56:44.240
<v Speaker 4>lot of loose ends for Tiger because he keeps asking

1:56:44.280 --> 1:56:47.400
<v Speaker 4>me certain things and I'm not. I'm not. He's like, Okay,

1:56:47.520 --> 1:56:53.680
<v Speaker 4>at least tell me blah blah. Yeah. So when but

1:56:53.760 --> 1:56:56.760
<v Speaker 4>that's when it changed. It changed with Life on Earth.

1:56:57.080 --> 1:57:03.120
<v Speaker 4>But even still it was a Warren Campbell production. Yeah,

1:57:03.240 --> 1:57:05.720
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. I loved it and we

1:57:05.840 --> 1:57:07.720
<v Speaker 4>kind of had our falling out in the process. We

1:57:07.920 --> 1:57:11.120
<v Speaker 4>since made up. I called him, was like, bro, I'm

1:57:11.160 --> 1:57:13.040
<v Speaker 4>not gonna walk around with shitting in my chest for you.

1:57:13.320 --> 1:57:16.120
<v Speaker 4>I'm letting it go. We cool. You know what I'm saying,

1:57:16.320 --> 1:57:22.000
<v Speaker 4>because it wasn't even him, it was ancillary individuals in

1:57:22.040 --> 1:57:24.520
<v Speaker 4>the midst well an individual so we're not even gonna

1:57:24.560 --> 1:57:28.680
<v Speaker 4>get into that. But I love that project. And that

1:57:28.880 --> 1:57:31.000
<v Speaker 4>was when I was like, That's when I was really

1:57:31.040 --> 1:57:35.640
<v Speaker 4>definitively like I'm done. That's why my first single I Do.

1:57:36.760 --> 1:57:39.680
<v Speaker 4>I went to that and he thank you. I went

1:57:39.720 --> 1:57:41.040
<v Speaker 4>to LA and he was like, yo, I got this

1:57:41.080 --> 1:57:42.320
<v Speaker 4>joint I want you to be. I was like, dude,

1:57:42.360 --> 1:57:44.160
<v Speaker 4>I'm not even feel I don't even feel like. He's like, dude,

1:57:44.240 --> 1:57:47.360
<v Speaker 4>just get in there and sing whatever you want to sing, Like,

1:57:47.840 --> 1:57:49.640
<v Speaker 4>just do you. So the first thing that came out

1:57:49.680 --> 1:57:52.880
<v Speaker 4>of my mouth was sometimes I don't like you. You

1:57:53.080 --> 1:57:56.760
<v Speaker 4>always got a problem with anything that I do. I

1:57:56.800 --> 1:57:59.640
<v Speaker 4>don't know, always understand everything about you. And I was like,

1:57:59.680 --> 1:58:03.480
<v Speaker 4>better shu up, but I know, I just live with

1:58:03.600 --> 1:58:06.800
<v Speaker 4>that out here. Clean it up. I do, I do,

1:58:07.040 --> 1:58:11.640
<v Speaker 4>I do? I do? And you know, and then I

1:58:11.680 --> 1:58:14.520
<v Speaker 4>fell out of it. Again. But then I ran into

1:58:14.520 --> 1:58:16.880
<v Speaker 4>this dude named Jay Reil from Atlanta and we did

1:58:16.920 --> 1:58:20.120
<v Speaker 4>five records together on Field the Real. You know that

1:58:20.200 --> 1:58:22.640
<v Speaker 4>dude literally brought me out and we're a group called

1:58:22.640 --> 1:58:24.920
<v Speaker 4>Denham Road. So yasha about that, damn.

1:58:27.880 --> 1:58:29.480
<v Speaker 1>Sugar Steven.

1:58:31.120 --> 1:58:34.800
<v Speaker 4>I'm literally legit in three functioning groups right now. It's

1:58:34.880 --> 1:58:37.000
<v Speaker 4>Denham Rolls with j Rell. He's my producer that we

1:58:37.040 --> 1:58:39.400
<v Speaker 4>work together, did five records on Field the Real. It's

1:58:39.480 --> 1:58:42.040
<v Speaker 4>Loonie Trice, you know what I'm saying with two guys

1:58:42.280 --> 1:58:45.920
<v Speaker 4>from Atlanta, one from Alabama, and you know it's actually

1:58:45.920 --> 1:58:47.800
<v Speaker 4>more it's like a singer's version of a of a

1:58:47.880 --> 1:58:50.640
<v Speaker 4>trip called quest type situation I'm trying to do. We

1:58:50.720 --> 1:58:53.680
<v Speaker 4>put two singles out called Same Way and in p

1:58:53.800 --> 1:58:56.200
<v Speaker 4>d A. PDA is actually pretty fresh. You might want

1:58:56.200 --> 1:58:59.000
<v Speaker 4>to go check out PDA And it's Loomy Trice, l

1:58:59.080 --> 1:59:02.840
<v Speaker 4>U and my t R I CE and and I'm

1:59:02.880 --> 1:59:05.800
<v Speaker 4>in a group with uh uh with T three Yes

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<v Speaker 4>Trace ninety eight. We got a song called one one

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<v Speaker 4>More Time, I mean once once upon a time, you

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<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying. And that's that's the ones that

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<v Speaker 4>are functioning. There's other ones that I'm still waiting on somebody,

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<v Speaker 4>you like, pick it up and help me, because I

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<v Speaker 4>can't do it by myself if we're in a group.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying. But I don't want to

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<v Speaker 4>pressure nobody to like, you get to it whenever you

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<v Speaker 4>get to it, you know what I'm saying. But in

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<v Speaker 4>the meantime, so fast forward to today, the most on

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<v Speaker 4>brand music soul child project I've ever done. M It's

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<v Speaker 4>called Do It for Dilla The Soul Brothers Series, Volume one. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>it's available. It's available on bank Camp. I literally took

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<v Speaker 4>Villa beats and I did remakes of Donny Hathaway, Stevie Wonder,

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<v Speaker 4>Michael Jackson, Marvin Gay, and Prince. That is the most

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<v Speaker 4>on the brand music so thing that I've ever done

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<v Speaker 4>in my entire career because it's literally me going back

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<v Speaker 4>to where it started from for me, because I got lost.

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<v Speaker 4>I couldn't see the road no more. So something in

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<v Speaker 4>my head said, dude, just start from the beginning. Why

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<v Speaker 4>are you even doing this? Dude? Like what got you

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<v Speaker 4>into what made you want to do this was because

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I'm listening to all of these people that

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<v Speaker 4>I felt like was super dope, and they helped me

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<v Speaker 4>learn how to find my voice in music, so let

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<v Speaker 4>me honor them. And then I've always been trying to

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<v Speaker 4>like you, remember I mayor, I've been trying to do

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<v Speaker 4>this diller thing I did. Ah. He actually sent me

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<v Speaker 4>a chop up of dancing machine and I did a

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<v Speaker 4>record over and I played it for you because we

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<v Speaker 4>were supposed to work on some stuff, but that got weird.

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<v Speaker 2>You played you the first supposed to work on some

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<v Speaker 2>stuff and it got weird.

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<v Speaker 4>No no, no, no, no no no no to work go

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<v Speaker 4>yeah yeah yeah, but me and my mayor was supposed

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<v Speaker 4>to work on stuff, but I moved and we lost communication.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know they're they're the roots and he's show.

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<v Speaker 5>Plus you need some things from him right now.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna like this compliment so I can wrap up.

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<v Speaker 2>God, God, damn it, thank you to wrap it up, though, brouh.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate your artistry. I love you, brother. These aren't empty,

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<v Speaker 1>meaningless brown nowsy.

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<v Speaker 5>Words, platitudes.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, but you are.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you are appreciated. No seriously, man, yeah for real,

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<v Speaker 2>And sometimes we just forget to tell each other. Hey man,

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<v Speaker 2>we are for real.

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<v Speaker 1>You just forget.

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<v Speaker 4>That's that's the crime, and that's how I forget taking away.

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<v Speaker 4>It is what it is.

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<v Speaker 6>But understand, nobody else's voice could have sang those songs

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<v Speaker 6>and made us feel the way we feel, regardless of

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<v Speaker 6>whose pen exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, now there we go. No, I'm just saying I

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<v Speaker 4>just in honor of that. I just want to be

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<v Speaker 4>more authentic. That's why I'm always we welcome that do me.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying. I'm tired of doing other

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<v Speaker 4>people stuff. Thank you for throwing me the ball. I

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<v Speaker 4>get it, but I want I want to. I want to.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to feel like, did you feel did you

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<v Speaker 4>believe that her the record with you and ad Keys.

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<v Speaker 1>Was that you?

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<v Speaker 4>Do you feel like that was you? Because that's another

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<v Speaker 4>one of my favorite in there stuck in there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>because because I wasn't confident that the label would have

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<v Speaker 4>allowed it to have its own I d You know

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<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying. The only reason why they let me

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<v Speaker 4>do the whole bloud thing was because Blave was a

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<v Speaker 4>blild thing, you know what I'm saying. And plus it

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<v Speaker 4>was epic. That's why I intro the song the way

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<v Speaker 4>that I did, like I don't care if anybody agreed

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<v Speaker 4>with me. This is a monumental epic moment, me and

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<v Speaker 4>this dude on the same song Eat it is. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't understand how huge this is.

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<v Speaker 5>We got it, We got it, we we got it.

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<v Speaker 5>We've been watching we fans don't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>No for real jokes aside, man, We we love you, man,

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<v Speaker 2>we appreciate you, and we well we we will do.

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<v Speaker 2>I will do better personally to stay in cont because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also I'm mister hermit.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's not what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's the change that can be for real, for real.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you all right, so on behalf of quest Love Supreme.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh fon Tigelo uh unpaid Bill went up in.

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<v Speaker 1>The rapture maybe and Sugar Steve and music, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>very much for joining us. My name is quest Love.

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<v Speaker 1>We will see you on the next go round. West

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