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Speaker 2: So at the end of this month May thirty, first,

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Speaker 2: we have Music Soul Child celebrating twenty five years of

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Speaker 2: Anytime we mentioned the Music Soul Child, oh music was

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of q LS.

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Speaker 2: What's Love Supreme? I me know what's love with us today?

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Speaker 2: Of course, ladies, person yeah, hello.

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Speaker 1: Hey Brown, we got sugar, Steve or sugar.

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Speaker 3: We also got about you.

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Speaker 1: Know, y'all can't see him right now, but fresh cut

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Speaker 1: fake man. I'm happy. I'm happy too. I'm happy too.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what I'm gonna get the next because

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Speaker 4: the numbers keep going up, but I'm gonna just hold

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Speaker 4: on the one as long as i can. Shout out

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Speaker 4: to the states Man and we were doing good.

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Speaker 1: I ain't about to put his own good.

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Speaker 4: We was holding we was doing I and then it

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Speaker 4: just this ship is all helped.

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Speaker 2: Then celebration. No, you can't celebrate too early. Bill, how's

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Speaker 2: it going?

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Speaker 1: Fantastic? Now here's the Hamptons with the children. That's good.

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Speaker 2: I will say that, you know, especially based on the

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Speaker 2: the buzz of the Jill Scott episode, that these Philadelphia

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Speaker 2: conversations couldn't have come at a better time.

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Speaker 1: It's only a matter of.

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Speaker 2: Time before we dip back into the pool of neo

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Speaker 2: genius for another go round. And our guest today he

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Speaker 2: burst upon the scene back in two thousand, probably with

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Speaker 2: the most unlikeliest, charmingest platonic black anthem of all time,

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Speaker 2: and the hits kept rolling and rolling.

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Speaker 1: Uh nine or ten albums Deep.

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Speaker 2: I believe it's nine albums Deep, thirteen Grammy nominations, and

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Speaker 2: I gotta stay okay. This this is the college word

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Speaker 2: drop of the day, probably the man that has done

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Speaker 2: the most for Manda Green spelling.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, oh that's what that's called.

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Speaker 2: It's called Manda Green. Yes, it's based on a poem.

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Speaker 2: I forget the person did a poem. But when you

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Speaker 2: when you spell and jumble words together, it's mondagree, so.

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Speaker 1: Monda Green King.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to quest Love Supreme Music, Soul,

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Speaker 2: the soul child.

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Speaker 1: What's up? Brother?

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Speaker 4: Where are you?

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Speaker 1: Where are you right now?

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Speaker 4: I'm in the A. I'm in Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: How long have you been in Atlanta? When did you

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Speaker 1: do us? When did you leave Philly?

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Speaker 4: I left, y'all? You said it right, I don't hear either.

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Speaker 4: I love you, shut up.

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Speaker 5: I know when I was alonging to both of y'all.

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Speaker 1: You don't even claim Philly. You claim everywhere but Philly.

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Speaker 5: That's not true. I claim Philly. Do you claim Philly music?

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Speaker 4: I claimed Philly when it's appropriate. I claim Philly when

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Speaker 4: it's appropriate, because it's true. It's part of my timeline.

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Speaker 4: It's not anything that I can get away from or

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Speaker 4: that I left for a lot of reasons. You know,

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Speaker 4: I love my people, but my people ain't all the where,

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Speaker 4: all the way together. Philadelphia is not necessarily the you know,

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Speaker 5: We're about to tell it today, okay.

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Speaker 4: And I I just thought the property value was better

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm about to learn a lesson.

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Speaker 4: Okay, you know what I'm saying. Well, I can only

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Speaker 4: I can only speak for my timeline, my immediate circle.

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Speaker 4: What was happening in my world and what infiltrated my world,

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Speaker 4: you know, but you can't say that in interviews because

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Speaker 4: It's just that I'm just being honest with my reality,

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Speaker 3: No, I gotta go, that's you, I gotta go. I'm

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Speaker 3: never whome that that was, you know, everyone living in

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Speaker 1: So no, I understand that very much. So like sometimes

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Speaker 2: You know, I've been I've been in New York for

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Speaker 2: ten years now, and I'm only just getting comfortable with

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Speaker 2: letting Philly know that I do not live.

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Speaker 1: In Philly anymore.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's always this thing that you know, this

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Speaker 4: Well Philly put to you. But I think it's a

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Speaker 4: But I think it's a different thing for you, you

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Speaker 4: Had to be a little more cautious because people associated

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Speaker 4: They knew I was from Philly, but that wasn't such.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't on your sleeve.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't on my sleeve. Y'all put to sleep, y'all

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Speaker 4: put Philly on y'all back, y'all carried Philly. You know what,

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Speaker 4: I understand your position is different than mine. Like I

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Speaker 4: I'm from Philly, you know. But then it's a different

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Speaker 4: conversation where it's like, bro, you are Philly. Where are you?

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Speaker 1: Where were you born?

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Speaker 4: What part of Philly I was born in? I don't

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Speaker 4: want to say it, no please, Yeah, in West Philadelphia?

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Speaker 1: So where's I wait? Where in West Philly? I never

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Speaker 4: West Philadelphia That's another conversation for another day. Uh, I'm here, okay,

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Speaker 4: I love you though. I love you though fifty second

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Speaker 4: didn't find out about So this is about to be

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Speaker 1: That's what we're for.

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Speaker 4: And there's my dad's side, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: My mom's side is actually from North Philly. My mom's

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Speaker 4: So I was actually raised when I was a kid

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Speaker 4: like I spent Philly, you know, all over the place.

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Speaker 1: I am I'm fifty second of no sage.

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Speaker 4: Hey, yeah you move?

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Speaker 1: Actually did you? Did you?

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Speaker 2: Did you know that it's been re christened as Chestnut

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Speaker 2: Not I'm sorry Walnut Hill.

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Speaker 1: Gentrification. Why why why why? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I uh I did my uh my, my drive through

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Speaker 2: big big up on doing the picnic with us.

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Speaker 4: Oh so yeah, yeah, thanks for thinking of me. Thank

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Speaker 2: And I know I'm just but I'm just saying that

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Speaker 2: you know, I do my usual two hour drive through

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Speaker 2: the old neighborhood, ghosts and whatnot. Yeah, and that's when

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Speaker 2: I discovered it, Like I discovered No, you look for

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Speaker 1: Know it's for me though.

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Speaker 2: I even I wasn't discouraged, only because, like I mean,

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Speaker 2: I have a personal dream, Like I think my life

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Speaker 2: cooled dream is to pull a Kenny Gamble, like refurbish

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Speaker 1: That thing. So I think this is.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, I dream of I've always dreamed of that,

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Speaker 2: and we've actually had our first me to reakan my manager,

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Speaker 2: Sean had a kind of like our first conversation of now.

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Speaker 4: That if anybody would be perfect for that, it would

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I still I still have my dad, my stepdad

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Speaker 2: You know, yo, listen, No, No, it's only because you

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Speaker 2: just said a lot.

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Speaker 4: Just's you just said a whole lot, bro.

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Speaker 2: It's only because I just recently, so as of the speaking,

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Speaker 2: and I'm trying to explain to people that I feel

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Speaker 2: in my life until the phenomena of Thriller.

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Speaker 1: So like.

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Speaker 4: Sold itself. It was like crack bro.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know there was just a point where

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Speaker 2: leke tapes and the oils and everything.

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Speaker 1: The idea to.

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Speaker 4: It's a whole I've been hustling since, been hustling.

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Speaker 5: Bro, hustling. That's right. You had the name.

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Speaker 4: Oh we don't we don't want to piss off, so

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Speaker 4: was like a little love jab you know. Yeah, it

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Speaker 4: was the Hustle. It was he had his record, the Hustle.

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Speaker 4: I was not a fan of the Hustle. However, you

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Speaker 4: Was the Purple one Purple one music? One second? One second?

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Speaker 4: So we're confusing the whole chat right now. So let's

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure that that's it's mildly rhetorical because

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Speaker 5: But the baby shouldn't be listen.

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Speaker 4: What the baby did and if if you can follow me,

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Speaker 4: I didn't take it. I didn't take it no way

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Speaker 1: Like that, that was a minute ago. But yeah, but yeah.

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Speaker 4: The Hustle records, I mean, I didn't like them, but

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Speaker 4: Hulso I didn't like. But the Purple Wonderulf I heard that.

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Speaker 4: I was like, dude, you could just put this out

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Speaker 2: You felt like a difference. I felt likeage. You felt

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Speaker 4: I wanted to leave it alone. I didn't want to

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Speaker 4: think about it. Actually, Rather at that time, I was

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Speaker 4: This is just all radio. So these were my relationships

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Speaker 4: y'all don't know what y'all talking about, because you do.

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Speaker 4: that time, I've been added for about a good, cool,

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Speaker 4: You know now, I had a whole lot of things

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Speaker 1: You don't live that life.

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Speaker 4: I don't live that life. But I have lived a life,

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Speaker 4: Like this ship is frustrating, Bro. These people don't know

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Speaker 5: It was a vivor though.

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Speaker 6: That's the ill part about this is looking at it

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Speaker 4: But yeah, that's of an era like that and still

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Speaker 6: Can we please talk about these beginning like now I've

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Speaker 4: So well, I was gonna ask you, so I remember

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Speaker 4: Like you were you know what I mean, just straight

435
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 4: up one hundred percent. And you always one of those

436
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 4: dudes that I admired because I'm like, you know what

437
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 4: music like, he's on the label, and I'm sure he

438
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 4: got his shitty go with, but every album he come

439
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 4: with his jams like he's consistent. He keep a jam

440
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 4: on the radio and even just his radio jam, but

441
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 4: then he still got his album cuts to be hard too.

442
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 1: So to me, you were an example of someone and

443
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 1: an artist.

444
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 4: In you know, quotation marks, you know what I'm saying,

445
00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 4: that was actually playing the major label game, right, yeah,

446
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 4: you could navigate it. So what when was the point

447
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 4: where it started to turn Like, Okay, I'm playing the game,

448
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 4: but now I'm feeling like this shit is starting to

449
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 4: play me because the other shoe never dropped. And what

450
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 4: was the other shoe me being able to do what

451
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 4: I want so to speak, and not one because you

452
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 4: can do whatever you want whenever you want to do it.

453
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 4: It's it just hits different when you do what you

454
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 4: want and it's being supported.

455
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 2: Okay, educate me because right now I'm a blank slate.

456
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 2: On the last twenty minutes, of conversation. So break it

457
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 2: down to me like a kindergarten. So when you're in

458
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 2: a creative space, which I would assume, it starts with

459
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 2: the song.

460
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just starting.

461
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 4: It's starting with yeah, yeah, I'm with you, I'm with you.

462
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 2: Let's start with the song. Who or what was or

463
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 2: who was the inner circle of support? Then that would

464
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 2: metaphorically block down a shot or say nah, I don't

465
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: think you should go this direction or do it that way?

466
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 2: Like was it a was it a was it a

467
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 2: circle of producers? Was it whoever your manager was?

468
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: Was it exact?

469
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 2: Or just like you're doing a show or maybe it's

470
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 2: only seventy percent full? Or like what what? What's the

471
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 2: process that leads you to the beginning of where you're

472
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 2: talking about. You're not being able to express yourself.

473
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 4: Here's what's interesting. You can't imagine how complex.

474
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 5: That question is.

475
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 4: You cannot imagine how complex that question is. And I

476
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 4: will do my very best to be PC. No, fuck PC,

477
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 4: thank you, thank you, tell you truth. I'm not trying

478
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 4: to be PC. I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm trying to

479
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 4: not be long winded.

480
00:25:52,920 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: Have you met that wind? Questions will you best love when.

481
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 4: You just want a blamers, go ahead and say, I'm

482
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 4: gonna say this, get your stick about me. I have

483
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 4: lecture esque answers go in. So all right, yours said.

484
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 4: I can say whatever I want, Hey, whatever I want.

485
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 4: I can say whatever I want, say whatever you want,

486
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 4: whatever you want. So to answer your question, we have

487
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 4: to start from the beginning.

488
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: Yes, let's do it.

489
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 5: Thank you what I wanted you to do.

490
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 4: Please, I like, I like how excited y'all are due yo,

491
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 4: because some of us.

492
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 5: Know a little bit of your story. So I'm like,

493
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 5: this is.

494
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: This is that we are? We're in the pandemic.

495
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 4: Of course you would because you were actually part of

496
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 4: my story. So yeah, I'm here. I mean, no, the

497
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 4: one above are well to me? It's no.

498
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 5: Oh ship all right, I hope it's a good part.

499
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 4: But you always thought it the good part. What do

500
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 4: you make it's a good part too?

501
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:14,239
Speaker 5: I know.

502
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 4: The only one that was the bad part was was

503
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 4: was anyway? It wasn't even bad.

504
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 5: We're making it better. So that's that's a new day.

505
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 4: It wasn't even bad. That's the thing. It wasn't even bad.

506
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 4: So let's start from the beginning. I'm gonna get I

507
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 4: promise you it's it's it's relevant. Just let me start

508
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 4: from the beginning. So my home life was ship. You

509
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. I didn't get along with my

510
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 4: parents at all for a lot of reasons. That's very

511
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 4: unnecessary to get into at this point in time. But

512
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 4: we didn't see at all. I didn't understand how detached

513
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,239
Speaker 4: we were at the time. It was just instinctive, like

514
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 4: I just was like, I need to get the fuck

515
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 4: out of this house. Here. Are you an only child?

516
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 4: You have siblings or anything? Oh no, I'm the oldest

517
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 4: of nine.

518
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

519
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, so there's a whole dynamic with that that

520
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 4: I'm like, these ain't my kids. So we're not gonna

521
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 4: get into that.

522
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 5: Okay.

523
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 4: I brought that up to say that I willfully left

524
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 4: the crib, which left me with nothing. So you have

525
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 4: to understand I've been sheltered most of my life.

526
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: Okay.

527
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 4: There was a cult element that's associated with that. Again,

528
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 4: unnecessary right now. So I didn't want to be associated

529
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 4: with nothing that came from that space at all. But

530
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 4: at the same time, I didn't have the luxury of

531
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 4: building a relationship with anyone outside of my immediate life.

532
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like, for instance, you know

533
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 4: you said the thing about the thing with the words,

534
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 4: the collegiate word that you used or whatever. There was

535
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 4: no way of me knowing that because I never got

536
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 4: to college. I never even feelished high school, went to

537
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 4: UNI for one year, didn't even pass freshman year.

538
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 5: That's freshman year.

539
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's because I didn't do the work because

540
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 4: I thought school was dumb. But you know, disenfranchised community, poverty,

541
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 4: marginalized education. Ou da da da da da da da.

542
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 4: So I'm like, okay, well what do I do with

543
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 4: the rest of my life? My stepdad said, well, you're

544
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 4: not going to just be at the crib. I'm gonna

545
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 4: put you to work. Here comes in fifty second in

546
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 4: the market. So I'm learning about life in traffic commerce.

547
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. That was the beginning of

548
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 4: the hustle. So then fast forward, you know, I started

549
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 4: making a little bread. You know, I'm working fast food joints.

550
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 4: You know, somebody you know did me a solid a

551
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,959
Speaker 4: week before my eighteenth birthday, gave me a gig. Was

552
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,719
Speaker 4: like teching me, I'm not supposed to hid in seventeen

553
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 4: year olds. But you know you're about to be eighteen

554
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 4: in a week or so. You know the process that's

555
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 4: gonna take the process here, you might as well start today.

556
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna tell on who that was because you know, well,

557
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 4: the business not even up anymore, so it doesn't even

558
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 4: matter again, irrelevant. So I started working. I made that

559
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 4: point to say, I started making money. I started making money.

560
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 4: I started moving around. I started moving around. I start

561
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 4: going to places. One of my favorite places was sixty

562
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 4: ninth Street. I used to go to sixty ninth Street

563
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 4: to go watch movies at United Artists Movie Theater. Whenever

564
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 4: that my movie didn't start yet, I would go to

565
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 4: the Coconuts record store right next door to it, which

566
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 4: is where I met my manager. Okay, still, well, I

567
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 4: didn't want my manager at the time, and I met

568
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 4: and I met him through the people that were working there.

569
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, because you know, we would

570
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 4: go over I would go over there, and because they

571
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 4: were working at a store, a music store, I you know,

572
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 4: was obviously into music, and we would just you know,

573
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 4: shoot the shit a buy music. You know, people that

574
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 4: came out, what you think about this and what you

575
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 4: think about that. Yo, this group is cool. And it's

576
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 4: around the time Brian McKnight was popping One twelve was popping.

577
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 4: They did that that whole era. You know, I'm saying

578
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 4: ninety year. I'm just saying, just to place the time. Okay,

579
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 4: that's all I'm doing. You know what I'm saying. Oh

580
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 4: you mean like no, no, no, no.

581
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 5: Okay, because you not say beautiful thing.

582
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 4: I got you. Okay. Yeah, so you know we're talking.

583
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 4: We're talking. Then they collectively said, yo, you should meet

584
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 4: our manager. The manager of the store. He was moving

585
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 4: around because he managed multiple stores. I forget what his

586
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 4: actual title was, but he was in and out basically

587
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 4: because the one of the dudes that was there was

588
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 4: actually the manager of the store, but he was the

589
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 4: manager of that region I guess, you know, the multiple

590
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 4: stores of the whatever. So so then he's like, okay, cool.

591
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 4: So I finally meet him, and then he's like, okay, cool,

592
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 4: you need to meet my partner who was working for

593
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 4: Universal I think at the time. And they, I guess

594
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 4: both of them collectively decided, you know, you gotta understand,

595
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 4: like I'm I'm speculating because I wasn't part of those

596
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 4: kinds conversation. But if you put it together, like obviously,

597
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 4: this is what happened. They talked, said, Yo, we got

598
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 4: a situation where we can help this dude out here

599
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 4: it is and enter a Touch of Jazz Studios. I

600
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 4: started working at a Touch of Jazz Studios. You know

601
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. Actually, I came in as a background

602
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 4: singer on a song for for another group who was

603
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 4: a duo. I will say yes, I will say their name, yeah,

604
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 4: because I got nothing beloved for them.

605
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 2: Girls.

606
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 4: Man, I got nothing beloved for them girls. Bro to

607
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 4: this day, we haven't talked and connected in a while,

608
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,479
Speaker 4: but I have nothing beloved them. Cool, that's what's up.

609
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 4: And I need to find a way to reconnect with them.

610
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 5: But can you extinguish this this rumor? So were you homeless?

611
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 4: Are not?

612
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 5: At the time?

613
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 4: So when I the part when I said I left the.

614
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 5: Crib, yeah, yeah, okay, so you were home, I.

615
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 4: Was definitely homeless, well homeless by technicality being of no home. However,

616
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 4: you know, dependent on the kindness of nomadic. I was nomadic.

617
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 4: I'm saying that from now on.

618
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 5: That's why I don't feel bad because he didn't go

619
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 5: to college either.

620
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: I don't.

621
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 5: He's used the word no.

622
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 4: No, I don't feel bad about it. I don't feel

623
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 4: bad about it. I just think that it's an important

624
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 4: piece of detail to help understand who you know. Yeah,

625
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 4: and I think that a lot of people don't take

626
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 4: into consideration. Put in their defense, I don't really like

627
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 4: talk about it like that either, you know what I'm saying.

628
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 4: So it's very easy for people to perceive me as, oh,

629
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 4: you're that guy. He's like, no, I'm actually a person,

630
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 4: you know.

631
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: But I apologize that it's okay you No at Black

632
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: Lily always knew he is the pizza.

633
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 4: Guy, I know, which is one of the jobs that

634
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 4: I had so good so as it was so eloquently

635
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 4: written in his uh, just.

636
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: Like that, it was just like.

637
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 4: All so, but but so before we continue, you have

638
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 4: no idea the navigation that I had to do to

639
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 4: show up to those events. What do you example exactly?

640
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: What not to not go there?

641
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no.

642
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: I used to it was my crib.

643
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be calling police doing all right, can I

644
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 2: get these people out of my own?

645
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: I mean, now that everything worked out, I'll.

646
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 4: Be like, yeah, department shows up, yo, beat and yo,

647
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 4: I call the cops.

648
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, Yo, get these s thugs out of my crib.

649
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 4: Now there were some real ones, bro, the burning beats

650
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 4: out on my rug. There was there were some real ones, bro.

651
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. So I'm gonna get back

652
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 4: to the you know, the timeline. But just at the time,

653
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 4: you know, you have you have black Lily, you had

654
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 4: Willem meanings, you have worse and sounds. You know, he

655
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 4: had multiple other offshoots and whatever. And I would here's

656
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 4: how my day would go. Okay, So I would be

657
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 4: at whatever job at the time. It could have been

658
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 4: burger king McDonald's, Boston Market, the piece of joint, you

659
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, which ras should comment saw me there?

660
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 4: Because I saw him about to get in the cabin.

661
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 4: I ran. I was like, yo, comment he saw me,

662
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 4: he saw me standing outside. I don't think he made connection.

663
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 4: I did, and I was like, yo, he was you know,

664
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 4: hit me with the you know, I was like, okay,

665
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 4: sore he saw me still doing that? That was yo.

666
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 4: That day was lit. I was like, that made my day.

667
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 4: He's a home you know what I'm saying. And whenever

668
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 4: I would get discoveraged of like whether what will whatever

669
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 4: happened for me, you know what I'm saying. Stuff like

670
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 4: that would happen, and I'd be like, oh, okay, so

671
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 4: I must be on the right track if he's part

672
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 4: of my day. Okay, cool. Anyway, So I would work

673
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 4: a job in whatever bread that I would get or

674
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 4: whatever I would have to but I would have to

675
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 4: wait till the weekend because I had a homegirl that

676
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 4: I was rolling with that would get tips because she

677
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 4: would work at the Hardshell Cafe. I don't know where

678
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 4: it inspired with the hard Rock Cafe now downtown. I

679
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 4: don't know what it's called market. Yeah, they used to

680
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 4: call it the hard Shell Cafe and they used to

681
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 4: sell seafood and stuff, and she would get tips every day.

682
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 4: This is around the time when when I Lost Ones

683
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 4: came out, and I remember because I was like, yo, girl,

684
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 4: you gotta listen. Yo, you got to listen to this

685
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 4: record because she was come to doing this whole poet thing.

686
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 4: I was like, dude, you got to listen to this record.

687
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 4: You know, it's funny how money changed she went. I

688
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 4: was like, yo, this is a genius. All these Asians.

689
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 4: I didn't know it was so many Asians you know

690
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. Anyway, she would make tips every day

691
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 4: and if she could get like fifty dollars that day,

692
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 4: she could work up fifty dollars that day. We would both,

693
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 4: you know, bust down on a room because she ain't

694
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 4: had nowhere to stay. Oh wow, say somewhere in the

695
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 4: downtown there we would pick one which everyone had a

696
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 4: vacancy because at the time, I don't know if it's

697
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 4: like that now, there were places that would sell off

698
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 4: rooms for at night, not down okay. So and it

699
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 4: got kind of sketchy because you know, it's a very

700
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 4: interesting name, so you know what I'm saying. But you know,

701
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 4: but she was about that life. But you know, I

702
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 4: had to use whatever because I was a very resourceful dude,

703
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 4: and we was cool. So she got a room and

704
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 4: you know, and I would be like you good, you said, okay, cool,

705
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 4: I'm about to run down to the to the me.

706
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 4: And this was like weekly. You know what I'm saying.

707
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 4: I wouldn't tell nobody that I was, you know, huh nomadic,

708
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 4: but I would just show up. You know what I'm saying, people,

709
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 4: Oh there you go where you bet? I'm like, not nothing,

710
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 4: I'm here. Now let's go. You know what I'm saying, Oh,

711
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 4: fire and ice at Willhelminas, you know with with uh

712
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 4: uh uh Jeff Bradshaw. You know what I'm saying, old

713
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 4: boy with the trumpet. No, Jafar, Yeah, Jafar played trumpet

714
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,280
Speaker 4: and and uh and uh Jeff played the trombone. Shouts

715
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 4: out to them. So that that was I was just

716
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,959
Speaker 4: saying that to say, like my daily life in trying

717
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 4: to show up to all of those spaces. You know

718
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, what's interesting. But anyway, that's part of

719
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 4: the timeline as well. So fast forward to me recording

720
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 4: all through ninety eight, right, I'm recording all of these songs,

721
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 4: none of these songs.

722
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa, whoa.

723
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 2: You can't fast forward because what was the moment from

724
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: this everyday existence of finding a place to live and

725
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 2: all those things to finding your voice? Yeah, finding a

726
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 2: voice and singing.

727
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 4: And I'm trying to answer that question.

728
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: All right, My bad, My bad, Okay, Okay, No, he's

729
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: in ninety eight. Okay, God wow.

730
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 4: I'm trying to I'm trying to answer the question. This

731
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 4: is the things that a lot of people do. They

732
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 4: try to rationalize the timeline when I when I tell

733
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,919
Speaker 4: it to them, because they're like, this doesn't make any sense,

734
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 4: and I'm telling you it doesn't, but it happened. Okay, Okay,

735
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 4: So I haven't recorded in the studio prior to them.

736
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: Okay.

737
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 4: It was this one time somebody introduced me to their

738
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 4: dad crib and he had a console in his living

739
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 4: room and the closet was the booth. You know what

740
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 4: I'm saying that we did like one song that I

741
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 4: cannot ever remember with that song.

742
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 6: But you had sang before? That's the question I think

743
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 6: a mirror was trying to say, like you had known what.

744
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 5: You can sing.

745
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 4: I've always sang what do you mean my whole life?

746
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 4: My whole life? I remember, for instance, okay, let's go back.

747
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 4: I remember I went to Heston Elementary and our graduation

748
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 4: song was Man in the Mirror. They have a person

749
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 4: that was supposed to sing the lead. He wasn't singing

750
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 4: it right. I kept correcting him, like, no, it doesn't

751
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 4: go like that. You got to sing it like this.

752
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 4: And my teacher was like, you're the one that I

753
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 4: always could sing. But I thought that there was something

754
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 4: that everybody could do. You could ride a bike, I

755
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 4: can ride a bike. Yeah, you could ride a bike.

756
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 4: I climbate tree. You can climbate tree. I could backflip.

757
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 4: You could backflip. I could sing. You could sing. Yeah.

758
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: I didn't.

759
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't understand. I didn't. I didn't understand

760
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 4: that it didn't quite work like that.

761
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 5: When you figure that out, when you figured ou out,

762
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 5: it didn't work like.

763
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 4: When people when people when you hurt it back like

764
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 4: I guess, I guess we all we are all not

765
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 4: the same, you know what I'm saying. And I was

766
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 4: always supportive, like yeah, you know, no, just keep going.

767
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 4: I'm sure you know, I know, you know. And then

768
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 4: I started getting with different squads and crews that would

769
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 4: go to you know, creative and performing arts schools. You know.

770
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 4: I would hang out with the church kids cause I

771
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 4: wasn't raised in the church, you know what I'm saying,

772
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 4: But I hung around a lot of church kids, the

773
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 4: p ks. They would tell me about the experiences. I'd

774
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 4: be like, wow, that's interesting, like won't you just leave?

775
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 4: And it's like, it doesn't. It doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't.

776
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 4: It doesn't work like that. It doesn't it doesn't work

777
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 4: like that, because you know, I'm like, I left. You

778
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. You know, it don't work like that.

779
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 4: So I learned how to sing through being around singers,

780
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 4: being around musicians, Like I would go to jazz clubs.

781
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. This is around the time

782
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 4: where I met Balaud. You know what I'm saying. I

783
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 4: will go to the Fun. Fact I wanted to be

784
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 4: in the group and somebody suggested Blaud and somebody gave

785
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 4: me his phone number and I called him. He cold

786
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 4: call him, yeah, and I was like, ask him about

787
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 4: it if he remembers. And I was like, you know, hey,

788
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 4: you know, what's up is music? And he asked me

789
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 4: one of the most obscure questions ever, something like I'm paraphrasing,

790
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 4: you would have to ask him for the details. But

791
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 4: it hit me. I was on the phone like the

792
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 4: Fun and it was something like who was the first

793
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 4: person that to call music music?

794
00:41:50,440 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 8: I was like, yeah, how is you coming at me

795
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 8: like this like from a grouper?

796
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 4: No? You know, And he would help Daz so you know,

797
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 4: later on, you know, we eventually started to get to

798
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 4: know each other. He invited me to his crib. I

799
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 4: would have invited him to mind if I had one.

800
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 4: But I met his mom, I met his brother. I

801
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 4: think I met his brother. No, it was I ain't

802
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 4: meet his brother at the time. No, I didn't. I

803
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 4: thought it was his brother. But it was just a

804
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 4: dude that he went to school with that played trumpet

805
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 4: or trombone or whatever. And so I met his crib

806
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 4: and he was like he sat down. He was like, Okay,

807
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 4: go ahead, sing something. I was like, uh, I didn't

808
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 4: know that this was an audition but or whatever. So

809
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 4: I'm like okay, uh. And and this is the time

810
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 4: where I had a whole lot of hair, but you know,

811
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 4: I didn't like have it like whatever. So I just

812
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 4: you know, we have a whole lot of hair, you

813
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 4: just stuff it in a hat, you know what I'm saying.

814
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 4: He was like, take take your head off. I was like,

815
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 4: the fuck is this nick? Fuck? You know what the hell?

816
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 7: My hat gotta be being on. Gotta do with the

817
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 7: way that that sound, bro. And It's like I never

818
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 7: thought about this since then until just now. So you know,

819
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 7: I'm like, okay, whatever, I take my head off.

820
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 4: So now I'm awkward and uncomfortable because I have, you know,

821
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 4: insecurity issues and self esteem issues. Because I come from

822
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 4: a fucked up, non nurturing, neglectful background. But he doesn't

823
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 4: know that I'm triggering in trauma, traumatized. But you know,

824
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 4: I want this dude to be part of my group.

825
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna do whatever he say. Plus I'm in

826
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 4: his house. His mom's is cool. I'm I'm I'm gonna

827
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 4: take my hat off, you know what I'm saying. He

828
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 4: all like, and plus you know, he looked like a

829
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 4: super like, clean cut jazz guy, you know. So I'm like,

830
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna disrespect his dude in his own home.

831
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 6: Bro.

832
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 4: So okay. So I think I sung up Brian McKnight

833
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 4: song or whatever, and I think his reaction was like, okay,

834
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 4: all right, And I think he made reference to the

835
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 4: fact that I did a whole bunch of runs and

836
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 4: stuff or whatever, and that was that. And then I

837
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 4: probably saw him like maybe like once or twice since

838
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 4: then or whatever. But not too long after that, I

839
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 4: heard I was looking for him and somebody was like, yo,

840
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 4: he moved to New York. You know what I'm saying.

841
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 4: I'm like, damn, Like, so now you know, I ain't

842
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 4: never got my chance to like put the group together.

843
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 4: Or whatever, so that kind of the next time I

844
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 4: saw him, the dude have full ahead of locks. You

845
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. He was looking like a nomad,

846
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Totally different than how I

847
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 4: met him, you know what I'm saying. And you know,

848
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 4: he's just he looked way more relaxed, you know what

849
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 4: I'm saying. I was like, Oh, that dude probably found

850
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 4: his shit. You think about me, okay, But.

851
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 2: One question, Uh, the group that you were trying to

852
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: form in your mind, what what was the level group

853
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 2: you were trying to performs like modern R and B

854
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: group like I didn't know.

855
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 4: Well, obviously that because that's what I was inspired by,

856
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 4: But ultimately it would have been something in the realm

857
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 4: of hip hop soul, you know what I'm saying. And

858
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 4: I wanted all three of us to be independently dope.

859
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 4: I didn't want it to be a thing where all

860
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 4: three of us, you know, one of us was dope

861
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 4: and then the other carrying the other two kind of situation. No,

862
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 4: this is nobody if that's your dynamic in your group,

863
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, situation. But I was heavily

864
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 4: inspired by one twelve because to me, they were all leads,

865
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So I was like, it

866
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 4: would be dope to be in a group where all

867
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 4: but I'm not gonna do four people, but you can't

868
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 4: do just two, so let's do three. That's a nice, cool,

869
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,959
Speaker 4: easy number, you know what I'm saying. So nobody could

870
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 4: direct me to, nobody that was interested or even you know,

871
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 4: able to, but some everybody kept saying, yo, blive bliah

872
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,479
Speaker 4: blah balah, blah blah blah, and I'm like, okay, cool,

873
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. It's just like ninety six,

874
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 4: ninety seven something like that.

875
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 6: I'm so glad that didn't happen. You don't even as

876
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 6: a fan, you don't even understand. We got so much

877
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 6: more music. Y'all be in the park.

878
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 5: Thank you.

879
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I'm saying, which is why I'm

880
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 4: grateful that to happen. So again, me seeing him coming

881
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 4: back from from New York, because apparently he was going

882
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 4: to university for that, go to school for that, I

883
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 4: was like, Damn, I probably should have stayed in school

884
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 4: because if I stayed in school, I probably would have

885
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 4: been I probably would have had a better chance at

886
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 4: being better educated in music and out of that, I

887
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 4: was supposed to go to Overbrook, but because where I

888
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 4: was living, I wasn't eligible to go to Overbrooks, so

889
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 4: they sent me to, you know, this other school. So

890
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 4: I'm sure if I would have went to Overbrook, h

891
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 4: then I would have I probably would have kept up

892
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 4: with it.

893
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 2: Overbrook is Will Smith's sorry, just explained to our listeners

894
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 2: right now.

895
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, we were at a touch of jazz and we

896
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 5: didn't even get there.

897
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we we We're coming back to that.

898
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 5: Okay.

899
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:08,959
Speaker 4: So while I'm being a nomad so to speak, I'm

900
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 4: I'm I'm I'm finding myself in all of these weird

901
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 4: spaces of you know, feeling inadequate, not feeling good enough,

902
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 4: not knowing what I'm doing, not having the support, not

903
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 4: having nobody to guide me, help me, teach me, you

904
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. But at the same time, I'm

905
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 4: constantly being inspired by everybody around me. You know what

906
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 4: I'm saying. There's blood, there's jail, there's there's there's now,

907
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 4: there's flower tree. You know what I'm saying, all the

908
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 4: way from freaking Europe. You know what I'm saying, Uh,

909
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 4: there's there's the Jaguar right Kindred the family. So there's

910
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Glenn Lewis from Canada, There's there's,

911
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 4: there's there's you guys. You know what I'm saying. Like

912
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 4: I've been I've been on you guys since since ninety three,

913
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 4: ninety four, you know what I'm saying, Like, like, what

914
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 4: is nobody is saying? Who is these people? You know

915
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 4: what I'm saying? And this is when I was really

916
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 4: getting into hip hop because I never really got into

917
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 4: hip hop because I never could completely identify with the

918
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 4: with the aggression, you know what I'm saying, conversation right, No,

919
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 4: But it's like the reason why, the reason why is

920
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 4: because I get that every day, Like I don't want

921
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 4: to hear that in music that I'm trying to like,

922
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 4: you know, you're trying. So when so when you know

923
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 4: I'm hearing you know, reek over real live drums, I'm like,

924
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 4: this is amazing. I've never heard this before. I mean,

925
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 4: yeah it was tried, Yeah, there was daylight. Yeah, but

926
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 4: we talk about Philly now like and they right down

927
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 4: the street, like this hits different, you know what I'm saying. So,

928
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 4: and that's around the time where I got up with

929
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 4: my with my dad's family out fifty fifth and Populace.

930
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 4: I was going through it, bro, like I was, that's

931
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 4: a whole nother story. It is like my whole life.

932
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 4: And he decided to tell me today, Okay, you're in.

933
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 5: The book, in a book. It's gonna be a book.

934
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 4: There's a book you need.

935
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: There's a book.

936
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 5: Book, write a book.

937
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to your life one day.

938
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 5: No, no, what are you saying?

939
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 6: Right?

940
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 5: It was a shot okay because you because.

941
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 4: Like it would have to series. It would have to

942
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 4: be a series, bro, And I just ain't got that

943
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 4: kind of time right now. Maybe later, at some point,

944
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 4: you know, if the universe allows it, it'll happen. You're

945
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 4: just gonna tell me, okay. So all of this, in

946
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 4: all of these compromising, unstable spaces, I'm still looking for

947
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 4: who who am? I? So I begin recording still having

948
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 4: found that out, Which is why I said this request

949
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 4: based because back to Touch of Jazz, I got called

950
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 4: in as a you know, to sing background, and ultimately

951
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 4: started recording songs because the person that I was working

952
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 4: with was like, yo, you're a open uh we should

953
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 4: do something about that. So now and who was that

954
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 4: you were working? Was it a producer? It was it

955
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 4: was the engineer at the time, you know what I'm saying,

956
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 4: because he would get the off hours, you know what

957
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 4: I'm saying. So he would get the off hours and

958
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 4: he could do whatever you want. You locked up, you

959
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.

960
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: And who was that? Whoe was that?

961
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 4: Carvin Hagen's his name is got you and he was like, yo,

962
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 4: I gotta I got a producer. You know who got beats?

963
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. If you want to start

964
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 4: working on some ship, you know what I'm saying, then

965
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 4: you know we can get into that. And so Carvin says,

966
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 4: you know, I have this producer that you got these

967
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 4: beats or whatever. So now by then I'm already back

968
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 4: and forth between Philly and Atlanta. So everybody, you know,

969
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 4: I don't understand, like I didn't just decide Atlanta, you know,

970
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 4: out of a pick of a hat, like I already

971
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 4: have a relationship with the city, you know what I'm saying.

972
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 4: So when it came time to think about where am

973
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 4: I going to go, well, I know people in Atlanta,

974
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 4: and let me just start there. So that's how that

975
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 4: move was that place was decided. If it was l

976
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 4: A would have been la for which would have been Chicago.

977
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 4: If it was New York, it would have been New York.

978
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: But for Atlanta.

979
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, yeah, I haven't. That's why. That's why I

980
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 4: said that, you know what I'm saying. So you know,

981
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 4: Pop would be asking, you know, why Atlanta because I

982
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 4: got people in Atlanta, you know. And I'm bringing it

983
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 4: up to say I was back and forth and I

984
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 4: would take Greyhound because I've never known before. Yeah, I know,

985
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 4: I know, I understand. How how how how how infinitely

986
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 4: dangerous that trip was. I couldn't ever imagined, you know

987
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:35,479
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.

988
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 5: And it takes the bus like more than tuesdays.

989
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 4: And the time that I was going was I had

990
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 4: to go, and I had to go in the peak

991
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 4: hours because you know, I had no bread, so I

992
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 4: had to go. I would leave at night and I

993
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 4: would get to Atlanta in the morning.

994
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, is it called a red eye on a bus?

995
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: Well? Then, so you and Maka moves to Georgia even

996
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: when making Mama Mama, I want to sing, I just

997
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 1: want to say.

998
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 5: That was a play.

999
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: I just want to sing.

1000
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,720
Speaker 4: Sorry, yeah, exactly exactly, and it's a funny uh reason

1001
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 4: reasoning behind that the name that name I just want

1002
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 4: to say, but it's not really that funny. Uh, it's

1003
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 4: interesting anyway.

1004
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: Let that deep.

1005
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 4: So, yes, I'm back and forth. I'm saying that to

1006
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 4: say because the recording process of what ultimately became, I

1007
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 4: just want to sing what's during me commuting back and forth,

1008
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying between Philly and Atlanta, because

1009
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 4: I'm trying to figure my life out. I don't know

1010
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 4: where to stay. Like you know, it's the one time

1011
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 4: I was doing the open mic you know, situation and

1012
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 4: there was some some college kids that was kind of

1013
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 4: like running the situation and I was there and they

1014
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 4: were They was like, Yo, so what you about to

1015
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 4: do now? And I'm I'm like, man, I don't know, bro,

1016
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 4: just trying to figure out where I'm living, you know

1017
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Just trying to figure that out. They're like,

1018
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 4: what what you mean? Figure out where you're living? Oh? Yeah,

1019
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 4: I don't have no place to stay, So you know,

1020
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 4: I'm just I got to figure it out because I

1021
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 4: had was I had just was living with somebody and

1022
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 4: his mom was paying his rent. But then she was like, Yo,

1023
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 4: this is your last month, so you can come live

1024
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 4: with me, but your friend, all your little friends, they're

1025
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 4: gonna have to like figure that out, you know what

1026
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 4: I'm saying. So he hit me with that, and I

1027
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 4: was like, wow, Now here's what's interesting. They lived on

1028
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 4: forty fourth and Pine.

1029
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: I know where that is my neighborhood.

1030
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 4: Cool exactly College area, blah blah blah. Yeah, the people

1031
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 4: that I did the open mic with, they lived on

1032
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 4: forty fifth and what was that old sage? I think, well,

1033
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 4: what was it? It? Sage? It was? It was what's

1034
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 4: the next block over from Pine?

1035
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: Locus Locus? Spruce?

1036
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 4: No, you're right, Scruce, My bad, my bad, spruce, spruce, Spruce,

1037
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 4: forty fifth and Spruce literally on the same block. You

1038
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 4: just bust the corner and walk up, and I'm like,

1039
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 4: y'all can't live here. I've been living here this whole

1040
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 4: year and I never seen y'all what you mean, Like, yeah,

1041
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 4: we live right here. Wow. So I essentially didn't have

1042
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 4: to move anywhere. I just went around the block. So

1043
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 4: it's like a lot of little things like that that's

1044
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 4: happened in my life that I'd be like, I don't

1045
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 4: know what that is? I didn't. I didn't do that,

1046
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And that's where I get

1047
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 4: my sense of you know, faith if you will, from

1048
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 4: because my spirituality is already it was it was, it

1049
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 4: was my sense of spirituality was tainted basically, So God, God,

1050
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 4: who and what is that? Now?

1051
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm open and over another thing? Were you assuming your Philly?

1052
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 2: It's damn near impossible to live in Philly and not

1053
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 2: at least have like twelve like Muslim relatives like deep

1054
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 2: in were you? Did you start in a Muslim community

1055
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 2: or like a Southern Baptist very much Muslim?

1056
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 4: You got a mus very much Muslim, but not. I

1057
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 4: don't think it's the Muslim that people identify with. It

1058
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 4: was a different Muslim. Actually, that Muslim had beef with

1059
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 4: the Muslims that people identify with.

1060
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 2: I was going to say, the ones that I know

1061
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 2: is like Tarik's family, which is more like junior black

1062
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 2: manfa you esque.

1063
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wasn't a different.

1064
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: What was your what was your set?

1065
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 4: Fam? I really don't want to have that conversation never mind.

1066
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: Okay.

1067
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 4: The reason why I don't want to have that conversation

1068
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 4: is I know, for a certainty y'all don't have enough

1069
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 4: time for that.

1070
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: Wow.

1071
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 5: Okay, that's a ill.

1072
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know for a certainty, y'all don't have enough

1073
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 4: time for that.

1074
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: Okay.

1075
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 4: And because of the cult that I was raised in,

1076
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:53,240
Speaker 4: my my perspective of spirituality is literally all over the place,

1077
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. I had to start hacking

1078
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 4: people's sense of spirituality. The reason I'm bringing that up

1079
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 4: is because you know, you get lost in this, in

1080
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 4: this navigational process of emotions and creativity, being an impath,

1081
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 4: and you feel everything, but everybody looks at you like

1082
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 4: a weirdough when the things that are real to you

1083
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 4: are non existing to everybody else, you know what I'm saying,

1084
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 4: and not knowing how to articulate that in a way

1085
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,919
Speaker 4: that doesn't make you look like somebody you can check

1086
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 4: on him, you know what I'm saying. So I'm having

1087
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 4: to navigate through that, and you know, I've had to

1088
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 4: like reconcile a lot of relationships with people because they

1089
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 4: just clearly didn't understand what was happening. And there was

1090
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 4: no way that I can make that make sense because

1091
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 4: I'm dealing with it. I'm literally in the middle of it.

1092
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 4: So I can't help you right now. If you see

1093
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 4: something that you can help once you reach in and

1094
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 4: pull me out. But as of right now, like this

1095
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 4: is just gonna be weird, you know what I'm saying,

1096
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 4: until I can find the words and I'll see you

1097
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 4: in the traffic and be like Yo at that time

1098
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 4: when yeah, yeah that was crazy, right, I didn't mean that,

1099
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 4: But what I actually meant was, you know, but you.

1100
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 6: I'm literally going back to like just old conversation and

1101
00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 6: our interactions and just being like, man, I wish yeah, man, reference, text,

1102
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 6: context is everything.

1103
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:06,720
Speaker 4: So here's the context. So I'm working at this uh

1104
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 4: this studio off and on, back and forth from Philly

1105
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 4: to Atlanta, and I'm literally working on songs that are

1106
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 4: just coming up now. For for you know, Carving, they

1107
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 4: may have been ideas that, but for me, it's like,

1108
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 4: oh so it's cool, Okay, what do what? What can

1109
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 4: I do with this? Okay? Uh? Here? Yoh that's dope. Cool.

1110
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 4: I'm glad you like that?

1111
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: What else you got?

1112
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. So when people are like, yo,

1113
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 4: your first album, you know, I know, your first album.

1114
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 4: How do you feel about having your first album that

1115
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 4: wasn't my first album. That was Carvin's first album, that

1116
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 4: was my thesis, that was my That's something I was

1117
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 4: just working on. You know what I'm saying, Not to

1118
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 4: take nothing away from it, but you know, I got

1119
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 4: to be mindful of how I talk about it because

1120
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 4: people get offended. They're like, my nigger, that shit over

1121
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 4: this life, this ner.

1122
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 2: I don't know many artists that hold their first to

1123
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 2: the three records, Near and Deer.

1124
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 4: Now, hey watch this? What's this? What if that's your

1125
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 4: entire career.

1126
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 5: And I didn't know that.

1127
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 4: That's your entire career.

1128
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 5: Your first three albums?

1129
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 4: No no, no, no, no no. The way that he's just said,

1130
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 4: I don't think anybody would. What if you feel that way,

1131
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 4: end up feeling that way about everything that you ever

1132
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 4: put out?

1133
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 2: Oh shit, that's now I feel you because oftentimes half

1134
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 2: television world.

1135
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 4: And pretend like it's the greatest thing ever.

1136
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 6: And also because your album lyrically, these albums lyrically mean

1137
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 6: so much to your fans, like and.

1138
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong, I meant it, but that's me

1139
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 4: doing what I did with.

1140
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 5: Yes, thank you for this conversation.

1141
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 4: To this day, the only time that I've ever done

1142
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 4: something out of my own mind was my last album,

1143
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 4: and feel the Real then feel the real? Don like that.

1144
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 4: I was no, no, no, no, no, no, me let me.

1145
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 4: He was like, nigga. I'm like, don't get me wrong,

1146
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 4: don't get me wrong. I have to say this because

1147
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 4: it is true, and I kind of want to like

1148
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 4: kind of quell whatever kind of feelings of animosity that

1149
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 4: some people may have for me. Right now. With that said,

1150
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 4: I wouldn't release or do anything that I don't have

1151
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,959
Speaker 4: any kind of emotional connection to because then I can't

1152
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 4: perform it. Like y'all will sniff that out, like we

1153
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 4: don't believe you. You need more people bro do it better,

1154
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So I gotta believe it

1155
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 4: to some degree. But when you want to talk about

1156
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 4: authenticity and being genuine, like I can't fully accept credit.

1157
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 4: I gotta give it to the people who also were

1158
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 4: a part of it. That's not me. That was the producer,

1159
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 4: that's not me. That was me, and the songwriter that's

1160
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 4: not me. That was the label that that was the

1161
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 4: management's idea. I just went along with it. So when

1162
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 4: y'all were giving me mineus As far as playing the game, oh,

1163
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 4: it's a fucking game, but no one tells you about

1164
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 4: the fallout. The fallout is you have a timeline of

1165
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 4: yeah yes, sir, no, sa yes, sir, No sir, yes no,

1166
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 4: sa yes sir. And as a grown ass man, that

1167
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 4: ain't a legacy that you could be proud of. I'm

1168
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 4: proud of the positive impact that what I've decided to

1169
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 4: do ultimately, of how that ultimately affected people, I'm grateful.

1170
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 4: I'm eternally grateful for that. I'm not ever gonna take

1171
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 4: that away from people. You know what I'm saying, And

1172
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 4: it's actually their reaction that made me have a connection

1173
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 4: to it. I have their their relationships with the songs,

1174
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 4: because on this side, it's hello, traumatic.

1175
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: God, wow. Oh Now I gotta ask, like, so what

1176
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: is it?

1177
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 2: I haven't finished what I'm saying earlier about the first

1178
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 2: three records, like oftentimes, you know, like uh okay, when

1179
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 2: I when I convince people that a particular television show

1180
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 2: is dope, and usually they'll tell me a man, I

1181
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 2: saw the first episode, like the pilot, and I wasn't

1182
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 2: feeling it, and I was like, I don't know, most right,

1183
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 2: and people get into there, I mean very rarely, maybe

1184
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 2: like Atlanta and uh the sopranos like they're rarely shows

1185
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 2: whose first episode is like that hoigh Ward excellent.

1186
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: And with albums, yeah, I mean I in my mind,

1187
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: I just.

1188
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 2: Assume that people just have an emotional sentimental connection to

1189
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 2: their college years when they first discovered Do you Want More?

1190
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: Or like, I know, I'm going to live this life.

1191
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 2: Where my first four records are going to be the

1192
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 2: be all and the end all to certain people. Oh

1193
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 2: man odella yo, man thinks all apart, you know, an

1194
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 2: occasional phrenology to yo.

1195
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 4: Okay, So I'm about to, like, you know, contradict myself

1196
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 4: by being that guy.

1197
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm used to. I'mflying to it now.

1198
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 5: Mhm.

1199
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 4: When y'all dropped Hot Music, the Hot music me that

1200
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 4: that wasn't my song. I'm literally walking things fall apart

1201
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:29,919
Speaker 4: was my soundtrack when I first heard that song. If

1202
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 4: I had any freaking doubt that I had a life

1203
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 4: of music ahead of me, that's said. That was my

1204
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 4: Superman music. So much so that on my album I

1205
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 4: had a song called Ella's Gone. I know that's not

1206
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 4: the original, that's not the original beat. The original beat

1207
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 4: sounded more like, you know, got a story to tell Biggie,

1208
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 4: they sound more like it sounded like that.

1209
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1210
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 4: After I got off tour, really immediately after I got

1211
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 4: off tour, because we started doing that song to that,

1212
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 4: I said, where we I know, we're in the middle

1213
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 4: of mixing. Where we recording that song?

1214
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 5: Okay, so your finger is on that album a way, That's.

1215
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 4: What I'm saying. Okay, But I had to put myself

1216
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 4: in it enough to feel like, Okay, I can promote

1217
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 4: this baby.

1218
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 2: It's funny because I wasn't at the time when you

1219
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 2: were recording this record, because I think, come on, come

1220
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 2: on's on that right?

1221
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 4: Like I think, so yeah, everyone but means on a song.

1222
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 4: Hub is on a whole nother song that I did, right.

1223
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 2: I here's the thing Rich never told me about the

1224
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 2: ella's going. So we were in we were in Cleveland

1225
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 2: and your album and shy Day's album whatever she released

1226
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 2: in two thousand.

1227
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: I forget the name of.

1228
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 4: It was Lovers Lovers, Yeah, right, so I remember Lovers

1229
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 4: Rock and I just want to see him coming out.

1230
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 2: At the same time, I'm on touring Voodoo m HM

1231
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 2: and we're in Cleveland.

1232
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 4: I'm not going to get into doodle because that's a whole.

1233
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 4: That's a whole other conversation, shouts out to the homie.

1234
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 4: But we're in Cleveland.

1235
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 2: And Joel LeVert pulls up backstage and I'm hearing the

1236
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 2: next movement but done in a really different way.

1237
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: And I go to this car, I'm like, what's that

1238
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 1: the CD case? Wait, that's how I first heard that

1239
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: is so dope, so so.

1240
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 4: Because what happened was my managers probably hit Rich up

1241
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 4: and probably got the got the green light from from

1242
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 4: old board.

1243
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: You know, you know, I just didn't know about so

1244
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: I heard was blasting that was with.

1245
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 2: Gerald and I to his car like yoah, yeah.

1246
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's how I heard the.

1247
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 5: Joint circle considering break you off, ye.

1248
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 4: Bring dude. I would tell you I was kind of hot.

1249
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 4: I was.

1250
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 5: I was gonna wanted Gerald Avert to do it that.

1251
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 4: It would have been dope. But that's not the point.

1252
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 4: That's the one point I had. I had a huge

1253
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 4: grievance with y'all.

1254
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 5: With the whole your grievous what is it music?

1255
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 1: Like I was this is where Mereon finds out that

1256
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 1: people over.

1257
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 4: So you're good, no, no, all right, music that you

1258
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 4: you didn't funk me over? It was. Didn't this ship

1259
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 4: start with us?

1260
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 5: He was picked last. I shouldn't have been.

1261
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: The third choice, all right, So check it out. So

1262
01:05:58,120 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: check it out.

1263
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 4: If I'm about to tell to break you off story

1264
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 4: right now, stop doing run DMC poses like I'm giving

1265
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 4: you you wanted this thing.

1266
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 2: So I will start off this story the same I

1267
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 2: started off Jill Scott's You Got Me story for the

1268
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 2: record with communication records, not the roots is forte for the.

1269
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 4: Record, I'm completely over it, just to let you know.

1270
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 4: I'm I was over it after we did the video,

1271
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But prior to then, yeah,

1272
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 4: I was in my feelings.

1273
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 2: All right, so check it. So here here's my side.

1274
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 2: Here's my side of what happened. Was okay, So the

1275
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 2: story break you off?

1276
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 1: Is that? Okay?

1277
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 2: Who is the promoter that is, uh the proprietor of

1278
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 2: the Kings of Comedy, not Stanley Fan but uh.

1279
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 1: Not ol Hayman. But he's in that circle.

1280
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 2: He's the he's the executive producer of the Kings of

1281
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 2: Comedy movie that Spike shot. God, hang on, Walter is

1282
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 2: it Walter Walter is something? Wal I wonder if Walter

1283
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 2: is related to stan Leatham. All right, So in two thousand,

1284
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 2: Walter Latham, comedy promoter who's making billions off the Kings

1285
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 2: of Comedy franchise, you know, with Cedric and Steve and everybody. Uh,

1286
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 2: he decides that he wants to do well. You know

1287
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 2: at the time, I said, oh, it's sort of like

1288
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 2: Living Color. He's like, no, this is a black SNL

1289
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 2: and we were all okay, So we shot a pilot

1290
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 2: of a black SNL with like Earthquake like luminaries. I mean,

1291
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 2: I'm certain that if I saw the lineup, at least

1292
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 2: seven of them be like household names now. But the

1293
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 2: only person I knew personally back then was Earthquake. But

1294
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 2: it was a sketch comedy show, just like SNL. And

1295
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 2: we were the SNL band and that's why. Yeah, we

1296
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 2: were the SNL band.

1297
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:19,840
Speaker 1: And they wanted to have like guests sitting with us,

1298
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: so they chose music and.

1299
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 4: Kik Wyatt Wyatt.

1300
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 2: Try, wait, were you backstage when she tried to set

1301
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 2: her off from Rique?

1302
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 1: Were you backstage with us? Now?

1303
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 2: This is like two weeks this is this is two

1304
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 2: weeks after.

1305
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 1: Do you remember that stabbing?

1306
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, we all did. This was two weeks after drawing

1307
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 2: like she fresh out of jail all that stuff. Okay,

1308
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 2: So all I remember was all right, So there was

1309
01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 2: an incident backstage where you know, I wasn't paying attention,

1310
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 2: but Tariq obviously said something that upset Keky White.

1311
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 4: Yeah I wasn't. I wasn't. I wasn't there either, but

1312
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 4: I but you know, I right about it.

1313
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 2: So all I know was that she took her shoes off,

1314
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,680
Speaker 2: and she took her ear rings off, and like.

1315
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: I just remember, Rich had to get in between.

1316
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 2: Oh, like she was trying to set her off from

1317
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:29,600
Speaker 2: some ship, like gonna talk to me fucking like that,

1318
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

1319
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 4: And she's really about that life back then, Brog, I

1320
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 4: don't think it's bad. It might it might still be popping.

1321
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 5: It's like later.

1322
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, she said it off

1323
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 4: all of them kids. Yeah, that's a lot. Dude, shouts up,

1324
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 4: same husbands out, shouts out, I don't know, I don't know,

1325
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:53,719
Speaker 4: but shouts out, man.

1326
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 5: There's a couple, but the numbers are good, they're.

1327
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 4: Low, okay, shouts out to her. That's what she and

1328
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 4: g for that No real all jokes as that that's

1329
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:05,679
Speaker 4: a lot. I come from your family, so that's.

1330
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 1: A lot.

1331
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 5: Right now.

1332
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 2: So the whole point is that, Okay, the old point

1333
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 2: is that really not being familiar with this situation and

1334
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 2: like having prepared music and all that stuff, we were

1335
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 2: just jamming. So uh yeah, five minutes into it, you know,

1336
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 2: Kamal was playing some ship and next thing, you know,

1337
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 2: like the seeds that break you off was sort of

1338
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 2: in the air, and.

1339
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:37,600
Speaker 4: Because it was, it was a few joints. It was

1340
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 4: a few joints you know, your songs, knowing bumps and stuff,

1341
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 4: you know, in a commercial and whatever and saying like

1342
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 4: like like the fallon gig, y'all been training for that.

1343
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, I don't understand like since

1344
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 4: since then then, So that's why when it came full

1345
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 4: circle with the fallon ship, I was like, that.

1346
01:10:58,040 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 1: Makes sense, right.

1347
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 2: So the thing was when I think we just made

1348
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 2: a break you off, just have an extra song for

1349
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 2: an extra bumper. I didn't think about it any further

1350
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 2: till after that. So what I didn't know was that

1351
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 2: Comal come on, you go in the studio to to

1352
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 2: he went, I know, he went in on fire like

1353
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make this a join and I was just like,

1354
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:26,719
Speaker 2: all right, cool, Like I.

1355
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 4: I didn't hear about it that it was gonna be

1356
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 4: a thing until way after and then I was privy

1357
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:43,879
Speaker 4: to all the demos, so check music.

1358
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 1: Eleven.

1359
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 4: So the deal with music, So you're gonna learn, just

1360
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 4: like you're gonna learn, just like with the with the

1361
01:11:55,600 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 4: you Got Me story, So we have the sing.

1362
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it was for me. It was

1363
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:04,839
Speaker 1: a cool song just for that space.

1364
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was like, oh, we're really going

1365
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 2: to do a song called coming to Break You Off?

1366
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 4: Like that wasn't even but even in the inception of it,

1367
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 4: that wasn't even the what was being said. I was

1368
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 4: doing song Marvin Gay, you know, process through the Angelo,

1369
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:26,440
Speaker 4: mumbling like I don't even know what I was saying.

1370
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 2: Which I think the words coming to Break You Off

1371
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 2: was was formed or something like that that I heard, right.

1372
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 1: But well, I'm just giving my side of the story, and.

1373
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 4: I'm hearing you, bro, I'm listening right.

1374
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 2: So after after that, after we shot that pilot, I

1375
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 2: wasn't thinking about that song come on, went and shot

1376
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:53,679
Speaker 2: a crude demo of it, and then I guess at

1377
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 2: that point, I think Rich and I were just like,

1378
01:12:58,520 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 2: all right, so.

1379
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 1: Are we going to make this the anti Roots album?

1380
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 1: Like let's just let's just.

1381
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 2: Do a whole bunch of songs that don't sound like

1382
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 2: the Roots and that sort of thing, and Rich was like.

1383
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.

1384
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 2: I was kind of being like bitter, sarcastic, like, oh,

1385
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:15,600
Speaker 2: we're doing R and B songs now, and he was

1386
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:17,719
Speaker 2: just like, now the ship works.

1387
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 1: And so then I was like.

1388
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 2: So when I got aboard, I don't know, I know

1389
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 2: the first contestant was Alicia.

1390
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 1: Wow. I don't know how it came to be.

1391
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 2: I know that The Roots and Alicia keyshould do a

1392
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 2: song together.

1393
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 4: Was she was on the rocket ship at the rocket

1394
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 4: ship at the time? Why not?

1395
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 2: Well, she and I were friends. She and I have

1396
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 2: been friends since when she was on Columbia.

1397
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1398
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 4: She was Alicia James, right.

1399
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1400
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:47,719
Speaker 5: I forgot damn.

1401
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 4: Because I had to join on the Riot soundtrack.

1402
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, that was what's your name of

1403
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 1: the Afro? This is like that thread.

1404
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 4: With James.

1405
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 1: So Alilah James was.

1406
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 4: Alisha James originally, right, right, that's right, that's right.

1407
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 2: I met Alicia was when I was tracking most for

1408
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 2: Double Trouble. Alisa was next door. That's how first met her.

1409
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 2: She was next door at Battery Studios working on her

1410
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 2: Columbia debut record, which never came out. She was on

1411
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 2: Columbia Records first. Michael Malton, that's a Jermaine DePriest. Father

1412
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 2: signed her to Columbia like she was fourteen fifteen.

1413
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:38,679
Speaker 5: So she shouldn't have been singing coming to breaking.

1414
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 4: She knew me way back then. Yeah, I'm thinking like

1415
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 4: ninety seven talking about when she was breaking up.

1416
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 2: No, no, but I'm saying ninety seven ninety seven. She

1417
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 2: was like seventeen eighteen. That's when I first met her

1418
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:54,640
Speaker 2: working on a Columbia.

1419
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:58,440
Speaker 5: Join to break you off with a little.

1420
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, whatever the case was.

1421
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 2: She famously stood us up four times like I'm coming,

1422
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 2: and then like Steve wakes me up, like I mean

1423
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:12,799
Speaker 2: she hear yet, and Steve's like it's four in the morning.

1424
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: No next time.

1425
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 9: So it went from it went from her to blow

1426
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 9: that one Jill Scott.

1427
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 2: Now do you know that when Jill Scott did it,

1428
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:38,839
Speaker 2: she turned into the magic stick. What she wanted to

1429
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 2: talk about Jek's man.

1430
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:46,679
Speaker 1: Okay, all I know is that Jill's we have Joe

1431
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:52,599
Speaker 1: quest love supreme. We are we are on the magic

1432
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: stick of right. No, no, no, but this is the

1433
01:15:57,439 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 1: thing though.

1434
01:15:58,080 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 5: We're only at four.

1435
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:03,720
Speaker 2: She wrote, you kind of wrote the hook that's the

1436
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 2: bridge to break you off.

1437
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 5: She gonna come get this check, amir, She's gonna come

1438
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 5: get this check.

1439
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:15,720
Speaker 2: Carmon changed the words, but that what that bridge that

1440
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 2: he sang was an idea that Jill had wrote for

1441
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 2: break you Off. And then Gerald heard and then I

1442
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 2: swear to your music. I was after Lisa had stood

1443
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 2: me up the second time because I'm the one that

1444
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 2: had to wait the studio, Steve can testify me sleep

1445
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:34,800
Speaker 2: on the couch and she here yet?

1446
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 1: No, she here yet, no calling her.

1447
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 2: After that, I was, I was like, fuck this song

1448
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 2: like it's not and the Angelo.

1449
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:45,680
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe she showed up and I didn't. I

1450
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 1: didn't hear the doorbell or something.

1451
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 2: No, no, no, she just she just and even what's

1452
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 2: her name, Claudette Ortiz. Yes, that's what I never forgive

1453
01:16:55,640 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 2: Steve Stout for. We cleared silent treatment for that that

1454
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:02,639
Speaker 2: damn City High song.

1455
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 4: What's it called a caramel? That was a good right,

1456
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 4: but we cleared it singing that all right back, and

1457
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 4: I knew was the song about child abuse. You remember

1458
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:27,600
Speaker 4: Caramel What would you do? Yeah? No, there was a

1459
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 4: traumatizing song, no know, what do we do anyway? So

1460
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 4: based doing the Caramel song, I thought that.

1461
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 1: Sing on our joint and that didn't happen.

1462
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:51,719
Speaker 2: So literally twelve people later, I remember Comal saying, wait

1463
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 2: a minute, y'all started with music is getting worse? No, no, no,

1464
01:17:57,160 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 2: come on, said wait a minute, y'all. This started with music.

1465
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 2: Why don't we just have music do it? And then

1466
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:08,719
Speaker 2: we were all like, oh, yeah, you're right, we forgot.

1467
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 1: So it was I just don't want you to.

1468
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 2: Think that we were like, damn, that's like he whacked.

1469
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 2: Let's not put him on the record. It wasn't even that.

1470
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 4: It was just like I didn't even I didn't even

1471
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 4: take it like that per se. There might have been

1472
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 4: some element of that adjacent to my feelings, you know,

1473
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, right, but I'm just like

1474
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 4: my ego wouldn't allow me to believe it can't be

1475
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 4: because they think I'm whack.

1476
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: Right, It was never that.

1477
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:39,759
Speaker 4: It was just like it was like glasses on your forehead,

1478
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 4: like you tear the room before glass glass my glass. Yeah, man,

1479
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 4: you in your car, you in your car at night

1480
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 4: looking for your phone with the flash that on, I

1481
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 4: know exactly, like where the is my phone?

1482
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 1: So come all? Said, right, right, come all?

1483
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 2: Said dude, y'all, y'all going to jump through all these

1484
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 2: hoops trying to get people seeming so on, why don't

1485
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 2: we just go to music? It felt right, and then

1486
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:08,600
Speaker 2: it was like, oh ship, we never thought of that, duh.

1487
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 1: And then it happened.

1488
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 4: Sad story, bro, that's a sad story. I love you

1489
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 4: though through it all. I still love you, man, I

1490
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:21,720
Speaker 4: still love I still love you. That's all good. I

1491
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,880
Speaker 4: never I never, I never, you know, I never let

1492
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 4: it interfear like you know, it's a whole lot of stuff,

1493
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, that I can get into

1494
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 4: that I constantly feel slighted, you know what I'm saying

1495
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 4: by y'all. But I'm sure it has a lot to

1496
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:41,560
Speaker 4: do with, you know, miscommunication, lack of communication. Just I

1497
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 4: never came up. It might never may have never came up,

1498
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. It's cool, Yes, our our

1499
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,680
Speaker 4: years and for years I used to be like, yo,

1500
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 4: I rapped so hard for these idiots. They don't never

1501
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 4: shout me out or look out or nothing that. But

1502
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 4: it's like you can't take it that way man, Like

1503
01:19:57,840 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 4: them dudes, they're they're like you.

1504
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 5: Shout out nobody shut up.

1505
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:08,639
Speaker 1: Anyway anyway.

1506
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 4: But I'm just letting you know.

1507
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 2: Like you know, well, just just I always do my

1508
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 2: communicated once.

1509
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 4: It never me I just want I just wanted to

1510
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 4: make a point to say that despite all of the

1511
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 4: spaces I found myself in, whether here or they're about y'all,

1512
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 4: I always find a way to reconnect to you know

1513
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. My initial affinity for y'all. You know

1514
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, it's bigger than the individual people. You

1515
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, y'all represents something so huge that

1516
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 4: you can't let your personal feelings for individuals to get

1517
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 4: in the way of that. Like I was hot with

1518
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 4: Frank for a second, you know what I'm saying, because

1519
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 4: when y'all was on voodoo. You know what I'm saying,

1520
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:52,600
Speaker 4: I wanted to go say with something d and he

1521
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, now he's not seeing no people right now.

1522
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 4: I was like, well, can you let me know when

1523
01:20:58,360 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 4: he's seeing people.

1524
01:20:59,520 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1525
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, now now this is now. Let

1526
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 4: me tell you, I only went to two concerts before

1527
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:11,760
Speaker 4: before I Pop. Right it was it was when it

1528
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 4: came to Philly. It was DiAngelo and it was Lauren Hill. Right,

1529
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:18,919
Speaker 4: that's it, because those are two that was even interested.

1530
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 4: And I love Joab, but I'm like, I could see

1531
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 4: y'all whenever. You know what I'm saying. Might have not

1532
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 4: been a cool thing to do, to be so dismissive,

1533
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 4: but I'm like, I'm gonna see them, like now we

1534
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 4: mad easy son, you know what I'm saying. So I'm

1535
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 4: literally after after the Voodoo and they did how to Feel,

1536
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 4: everybody walk off. I was like, this is amazing. It's epic,

1537
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 4: bah blah blah. So I'm walking back because I'm like,

1538
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:41,599
Speaker 4: I literally really know like seventy five percent of everybody

1539
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 4: on that stage, you know what I'm saying. Let me

1540
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 4: just go say what's up?

1541
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 1: You know?

1542
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 4: And Frank caught me at the door and was like, ooh,

1543
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 4: what's something. I'm tapping over the So so it's a prove.

1544
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 4: I go back and was like, ah, I don't know,

1545
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 4: I don't think he's seeing anybody. Right now. I was like,

1546
01:21:56,080 --> 01:22:02,799
Speaker 4: but it's me, oh me, but can we don't mean anything?

1547
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 6: Can we all agree I'm about to give a compliment

1548
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 6: in a backwards way, but can we all agree that

1549
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 6: as much as this lighting that you may have felt

1550
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:12,679
Speaker 6: from like any any Roots Crew situation, the circle back

1551
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:14,920
Speaker 6: is amazing because even if you just think about like

1552
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 6: you headline and the Roots Picnic, it's just always it's

1553
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 6: always a circle back. So I just to their credit,

1554
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 6: you know what I mean?

1555
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, well you know that's all a little slightly triggering.

1556
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 4: So I did it because I needed well back on

1557
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 4: my own. You have to understand something I did the

1558
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 4: Roots Picnic or the earlier what I decided to do

1559
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 4: when before COVID pre COVID, which is why I was

1560
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 4: grateful that it came back around and I was thought of,

1561
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 4: which is why I met. I met them like, thanks

1562
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 4: for thinking of me, because y'all could have been like,

1563
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, I don't know. So I

1564
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 4: did that for me because I needed to get past that.

1565
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 4: What I needed to get past was was Thepelle Ship.

1566
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 5: What the fuck.

1567
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 4: Here? Exactly? Oh my god, that exactly.

1568
01:22:58,400 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 1: I didn't put that together.

1569
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not coming you. I was literally right with.

1570
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,879
Speaker 1: The Chippell party and also that photo.

1571
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 4: Okay, aquarium, let's not even get into you're in it. Okay,

1572
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 4: all right, it's okay, it's okay. This is what I'm saying. Okay,

1573
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 4: I need to get past it. So every opportunity that

1574
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:32,800
Speaker 4: comes up with me explain the context of just the

1575
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 4: ancillary events. But I'm constantly being I'm sure that you

1576
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:37,599
Speaker 4: probably don't even know about.

1577
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 1: I don't know about, and I don't organize all.

1578
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 4: Of these things. It's okay, it's okay, But in my mind,

1579
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 4: because I don't know the inner dynamics of y'all situation,

1580
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 4: I think I'm doing this for the light.

1581
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 1: Damn.

1582
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 5: You gotta communicate, man, this could have cut this ten

1583
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 5: years ago.

1584
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 4: So I did the I did the Roots picnic because

1585
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 4: I needed to get over my own issues surrounding y'all,

1586
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 4: because I didn't want to have no issues. But I

1587
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 4: didn't know how to interact with any of y'all like that.

1588
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, there's the ways I

1589
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 4: can get folks number, but I'm not gonna cold call

1590
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:12,639
Speaker 4: nobody like you know. It's cool, it's no beef. It's

1591
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 4: not an on site situation. But I'm not going to

1592
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:17,640
Speaker 4: act like we interact all like that. Either you know

1593
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, you understand what you understand? Yeah?

1594
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 1: What what?

1595
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 2: I'm slowly realizing No, And this is the first time

1596
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 2: like i've I've heard that. Even this week cosmic keV

1597
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 2: was like, I feel a certain way, y' ask me

1598
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:35,839
Speaker 2: nothing certain.

1599
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 5: Way, don't.

1600
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, No, no, no, old boy what's his name? Uh?

1601
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 1: While I was partner.

1602
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 2: Gilly also the same thing, which no, it's it's never

1603
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:51,639
Speaker 2: like we're never like, let's not ask them. A lot

1604
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 2: of times it's either like finances or a lot of

1605
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:57,920
Speaker 2: these things we do is by the skin of our

1606
01:24:57,960 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 2: teeth or a.

1607
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 4: Favor for favor, Like I keep saying, so.

1608
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 1: We love everyone is so not not.

1609
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 4: I don't want to keep making it a point to

1610
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 4: say that I love you, man. This is why. It's

1611
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 4: because I'm not saying it just to be saying it

1612
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 4: like I have, because that's something that I have to

1613
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 4: know and feel in myself. That's the only reason why

1614
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:21,559
Speaker 4: I did the failin situation. I wouldn't have did that

1615
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 4: shit because I'm like, for what they never asked me

1616
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 4: to do nothing for what But I was like, nah,

1617
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 4: it's the roots, like they're on an elass platform. You

1618
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, And stop acting like you don't

1619
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 4: want to be a part of that.

1620
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 5: That's a lot of our stories. I just need you

1621
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 5: to know this.

1622
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:38,679
Speaker 4: Like it's so No, it's cool, it's cool.

1623
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 5: But yeah, even even even I.

1624
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 4: Don't, I'm not gonna be in people's faces talking right now.

1625
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:49,600
Speaker 4: Unbeknownst to y'all, I'm in a very weird emotional, psychological

1626
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 4: and emotional space. It's to the point where I got

1627
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:55,720
Speaker 4: to tell my my my, my publicist family, you might

1628
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 4: want to chill on the interviews because I'm spilling my

1629
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 4: guts too much, bro, And don't nobody want keep hearing this, Like,

1630
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 4: let me deal with my stuff, man, Like, let me

1631
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 4: get into a better place so that I can be

1632
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 4: the person that people are kind of sort of looking for.

1633
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, call when he send it

1634
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 6: to you, because if that's the case, if you try

1635
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 6: to be progressive and be better, then I don't want

1636
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 6: to hear that black man.

1637
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:18,759
Speaker 5: Whatever. I don't want to hear that black man.

1638
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:20,760
Speaker 4: What's what's progressive?

1639
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:22,320
Speaker 5: Progressive. You do what I'm at.

1640
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 4: I met.

1641
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, don't be all black man nineteen eighties,

1642
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 5: Like I don't do.

1643
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 2: That before it serves a nine hour conversation. How have

1644
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 2: you been adjusting? How have you been how have you

1645
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 2: been adjusting to life pre COVID Like for a lot

1646
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 2: of us, this is the first extended break that we've

1647
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:52,600
Speaker 2: ever gotten.

1648
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:56,760
Speaker 1: And a chance to recap and reconnect with our families.

1649
01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 1: And like I've been.

1650
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 4: Saying, which is which is? Which is? What has like

1651
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 4: uh instigated at least for me to get into the

1652
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 4: minutes of my timeline, which I still haven't finished because

1653
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:10,639
Speaker 4: I'm literally still at the beginning. Yeah, keep going, Yeah,

1654
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:12,639
Speaker 4: We're still at the beginning. You know what I'm saying.

1655
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 4: But I'm making a point to say that is all

1656
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 4: of these all of this baggage. I can't run away

1657
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 4: from unpacking now. I used to be able to hide

1658
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:25,919
Speaker 4: behind working. I don't have the luxury of doing that anymore.

1659
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 4: It meets me when I wake up, it's there. Even

1660
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 4: when I go to sleep, I wake up in pain,

1661
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 4: like physical muscle pain, because I know that in my sleep, I'm.

1662
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:43,599
Speaker 5: Like hell a trigger and you tense because you got.

1663
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, Man, my jaws be hurting because I know I

1664
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 4: clinch at night. I know that. You know what I'm saying, Like,

1665
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 4: I know because I have a lot of unpacked shit,

1666
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 4: man that I'm dealing with, like and then I have

1667
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 4: new ship comes to me, Like I'm dealing with a

1668
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 4: whole situation that I don't even talk about. You know

1669
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. It's people don't know. And I know

1670
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 4: they're like, wait, now is it gonna say anything? Is

1671
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 4: gonna Is he gonna say anything? You know, it's a

1672
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 4: personal situation concerning personal situation. Okay, Okay, you know what

1673
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 4: I'm saying that this person whole it's a whole person

1674
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 4: that's on a whole different wave that I can't even

1675
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 4: understand right now, you know, and I'm trying to manage that.

1676
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:35,559
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, What the fuck.

1677
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 5: Is the last thing that made you smile? Like, what's

1678
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 5: what's bringing joy in your life?

1679
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 4: I mean, my son does it? You know what I'm saying.

1680
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 4: I'm grateful for him. He has little things that he

1681
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 4: do in moments that I have with him. You know

1682
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 4: what I'm saying that be like you funny bro, You

1683
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 4: know but like it's I said it to one of

1684
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 4: my brothers, well my only brother that I really fool

1685
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 4: with like that, Like it's so fun to be a

1686
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 4: part of a tension oh shit moment and be like

1687
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 4: I love you, little homie, Like I actually love you, dude.

1688
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:09,880
Speaker 4: I'm a clean this up, but I love you, you know

1689
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, rather than what the book you know,

1690
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 4: Like that's fun. I love being a part of that,

1691
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:20,640
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Emotionally nurturing this dude, Like

1692
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 4: I love that, Like that that brings me joy.

1693
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 5: Being something that you didn't have, right, Like you know

1694
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 5: that you didn't have.

1695
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, So to answer your question like immediately, the

1696
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 4: short answer is you know things like that, you know

1697
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, but trying to like go back to

1698
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 4: the story. So a touch of jazz, so you know

1699
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 4: I'm already you know, I know, I know the story.

1700
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:48,720
Speaker 4: You know, touch of jazz, jazzy, Jeff Fresh friends out

1701
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 4: of that, you know what I'm saying, Like I didn't

1702
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:53,839
Speaker 4: sit the kool aid, bought the kool aid, bought the recipe,

1703
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:55,800
Speaker 4: tried my own version of it, you know what I'm saying,

1704
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 4: Like I'm all the way in, but my relationship never

1705
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 4: actually gets a stabis. I see him every now and again.

1706
01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 4: It's all love. Actually. Funny enough, it was because of

1707
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 4: Jazzy Jeff that I was introduced to Dylan, So that's

1708
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 4: a whole nother right. I still speak to T three.

1709
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 4: By the way, Me and T three are a group

1710
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:14,960
Speaker 4: called trace on ninety eight. We put a song out

1711
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 4: call Once upon a Time. You might want to go

1712
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 4: check that out anyway. Yeah, yeah, tray so t R

1713
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 4: A s o U L ninety eight. T R A

1714
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:27,920
Speaker 4: s o U L ninety eight. So back to touch

1715
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:30,600
Speaker 4: of Jet. So me and Carbon working on joints. We

1716
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:32,799
Speaker 4: come up with just friends, we come up with seventeen,

1717
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 4: we come up with Girl next Door. Funny enough, Jill

1718
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:38,760
Speaker 4: Scott actually wrote the girl part on on Girl next Door.

1719
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, okay.

1720
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:44,880
Speaker 4: But I don't know what the details went into her actually.

1721
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:45,599
Speaker 5: Being she didn't get that money.

1722
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 4: She didn't get that money, oh okay, And we've never

1723
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 4: talked about it since, you know what I'm saying. But

1724
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:53,240
Speaker 4: she actually wrote that part.

1725
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:54,840
Speaker 1: Oh shit, you know what I'm saying.

1726
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:58,599
Speaker 4: But that's another story. There's a lot of strong man

1727
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:00,320
Speaker 4: stories that that I can get into, but I want

1728
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:02,960
Speaker 4: to stay focused. I'm working on all of these songs,

1729
01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:06,080
Speaker 4: and in my mind, I'm not thinking, yeah, this is

1730
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:10,000
Speaker 4: gonna be my album. I'm like, oh, these are some

1731
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 4: cool songs that I could play for people to show

1732
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:15,240
Speaker 4: them what I can do. So here it is December

1733
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:20,599
Speaker 4: of ninety nine. I'm in Georgia, and these my managers

1734
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:22,639
Speaker 4: at the time, it's like, yo, where you at. We

1735
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 4: got gotta be in New York, you know what I'm

1736
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:27,320
Speaker 4: saying tomorrow or the next day or whatever the day was.

1737
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 4: And I was like, for what And it was like,

1738
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 4: because we got a deal on the table for you.

1739
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:34,720
Speaker 4: I was like, wow, what you mean what does that mean?

1740
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 5: Oh God, you didn't know nothing, Like I'm.

1741
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:40,760
Speaker 4: Fresh off the streets, like I don't. There's no conversation

1742
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 4: of deals, you know, there's no conversation of you know,

1743
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:50,439
Speaker 4: we're shopping you to this place in that place. If

1744
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:54,040
Speaker 4: there were, like I don't remember right right, you know,

1745
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 4: And they definitely weren't extensive. They were you know, we're

1746
01:31:57,080 --> 01:31:59,439
Speaker 4: gonna play something for these people or whatever if that was.

1747
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 4: But I'm I'm so not dialed then I'm just recording. Yeah,

1748
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:07,720
Speaker 4: And they're like, wait, a minute, where are you? I'm like,

1749
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:11,599
Speaker 4: I'm in Atlanta? What you mean? Why are you out there? Like? See,

1750
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:12,840
Speaker 4: this is how much we don't like.

1751
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 5: Community communicate all of us.

1752
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:19,559
Speaker 4: Yes, y'all just expected me to just be damn around

1753
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 4: Like well, it doesn't help that the fact that I

1754
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:28,439
Speaker 4: was always around the point is, you know, if y'all

1755
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:30,880
Speaker 4: was more invested in a nigga personal life, you know,

1756
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 4: we wouldn't get so.

1757
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:35,439
Speaker 5: Confused right now, No nigga, you're a worker.

1758
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:38,880
Speaker 4: So they're like, well, we need no nah fam, we

1759
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:40,759
Speaker 4: need we gotta get back out. And I'm like, okay,

1760
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:43,479
Speaker 4: well you know if you could, you know, you know,

1761
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 4: throw need some bread so I can get a get

1762
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:47,920
Speaker 4: a greyhound ticket. I'll be there, you know, you know

1763
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:51,479
Speaker 4: tomorrow sometimes like greyhound, Like what do you mean greyhound?

1764
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:53,599
Speaker 4: Nah man? We need we need you back, like now,

1765
01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 4: like we get you a plane ticket. Plane Nah, bro,

1766
01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 4: I'm not getting on a plane. That's not that's not happening.

1767
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 4: That's not happening. I'm not I'm not doing that. You're

1768
01:33:03,439 --> 01:33:07,719
Speaker 4: what's the shut up and fish? All right? Yes?

1769
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 5: Sorry I finished, that's whole sales.

1770
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, thank you. Anyway, before I really interrupted, I

1771
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:19,720
Speaker 4: love you like I love you too.

1772
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:25,759
Speaker 1: Oh wow, oh wow, I'm in love with you.

1773
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:26,639
Speaker 5: Okay, that's pause.

1774
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 4: That's not different at all.

1775
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:35,760
Speaker 1: No, I don't know why I was so good. I

1776
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:38,160
Speaker 1: don't know why it would be creepy so awkwards. That

1777
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:38,759
Speaker 1: was so.

1778
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:42,599
Speaker 5: Like, you don't know, not creepy as in.

1779
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 4: The lecturous way, just creepy as in a way you're

1780
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 4: just going to hijack our moment right now. That is fun.

1781
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:57,439
Speaker 4: It's about me now, Okay, it's all love, bro. So

1782
01:33:57,720 --> 01:33:59,599
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, I'm not getting on no plane like

1783
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:02,439
Speaker 4: I know Greyhound. I know that we're gonna do the

1784
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:05,680
Speaker 4: bus route. We're not getting on a plane. It was like,

1785
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:08,600
Speaker 4: you gotta be kidding me, dude. I'm like yeah, no.

1786
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:10,960
Speaker 4: And I thought I was, you know, I had I

1787
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 4: ain't had no leverage. I thought I was negotiating. I

1788
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:18,559
Speaker 4: was negotiating because I came anyway like you. It's not

1789
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 4: like you wasn't gonna come like right. So, And I

1790
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:24,160
Speaker 4: was in a mood because I had just cut my

1791
01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:26,280
Speaker 4: lots off because I couldn't get a job in Georgia

1792
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 4: with my lots for whatever weird reason, I don't know, Maybe.

1793
01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:32,800
Speaker 5: With I don't know it's because of Raco.

1794
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:35,320
Speaker 4: I'm already I'm already in a mood. I'm in a

1795
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 4: whole mood, you know what I'm saying. And then I

1796
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:42,400
Speaker 4: lost my job two weeks later, Like wow, okay, yeah,

1797
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:47,880
Speaker 4: this sucks. Life pretty much sucks. Yeah, And and I'm like,

1798
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:49,760
Speaker 4: I'm not having to deal with the fact that, you know,

1799
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,000
Speaker 4: even though I'm in Georgia, I still don't have a

1800
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 4: good relationship with my parents, you know what I'm saying.

1801
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:55,760
Speaker 4: So that was still sucking with me. I don't know

1802
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:58,439
Speaker 4: my brother's and sistans. Yeah I know them physically know them,

1803
01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:00,720
Speaker 4: but I don't. I don't know that, and you know

1804
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:03,280
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. And there's a whole lot of them

1805
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:06,960
Speaker 4: weirdness that was going on at the time. But so

1806
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,800
Speaker 4: I was like, you know what, whatever, I'm literally not

1807
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:12,559
Speaker 4: doing anything else with my life. I'm getting up another

1808
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 4: get it again. I'm living off of this. So this

1809
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:18,479
Speaker 4: is dude. The h was selling rooms for like fifty

1810
01:35:18,479 --> 01:35:20,760
Speaker 4: dollars a week. I was like, well, that's a come

1811
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:22,679
Speaker 4: up in fifty dollars a night, you know what I'm saying.

1812
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:26,960
Speaker 4: So cool, I'll take this, But no plumbing, no no window.

1813
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:30,120
Speaker 4: It was literally just a space. It was the coming

1814
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:36,160
Speaker 4: to a complex basicly. Yeah, So like you know what

1815
01:35:36,160 --> 01:35:37,280
Speaker 4: I'm saying. But I got at least I had the

1816
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 4: luxury of living by myself, you know, and to live

1817
01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:42,240
Speaker 4: on top of nobody progress. So I thought I had

1818
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:45,280
Speaker 4: a little independence, you know what I'm saying. And that

1819
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:48,680
Speaker 4: was at the time where I was. I think, I was, No,

1820
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:50,679
Speaker 4: I was, I was, I was. Where was I working?

1821
01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:52,320
Speaker 5: You're still working?

1822
01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:55,320
Speaker 4: I don't know. I forgot where. I've been worked at

1823
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:59,599
Speaker 4: so many places, bro, you're still working. No, no, no, no,

1824
01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:03,600
Speaker 4: This is right at the time where yeh, So I

1825
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:05,920
Speaker 4: found my way back to Philly, you know what I'm saying.

1826
01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:07,599
Speaker 4: And the dudes that I told you that I met

1827
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:09,800
Speaker 4: at the open mic situation that let me stay at

1828
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:11,720
Speaker 4: their crib because it was right around the corner. Now

1829
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:13,759
Speaker 4: what it was was it was a bunch of college

1830
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 4: kids that lived in this really expensive three story, four

1831
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:22,479
Speaker 4: of the canter basement house that I'm assuming their parents

1832
01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:24,080
Speaker 4: paid for. And it was like, you know, you could

1833
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:25,680
Speaker 4: just stay here for free, just pick up picker room.

1834
01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:28,840
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter, like picker room. And I was like, bruh,

1835
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:32,519
Speaker 4: this is dope, you know what I'm saying. They always

1836
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:34,360
Speaker 4: had food in the fridge. It wasn't that deep. But

1837
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 4: you know, I didn't go hungry. You know, if they

1838
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 4: felt inclined to, they would throw me a couple of dollars,

1839
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And it was cool, you

1840
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:45,800
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. And I started doing music with

1841
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:47,240
Speaker 4: a couple of them, but we kind of like went

1842
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:50,120
Speaker 4: in a different direction. I actually did a whole project

1843
01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:51,760
Speaker 4: with a whole bunch of stuff on it, and I

1844
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:53,559
Speaker 4: got one of them on it. I did like a

1845
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:56,040
Speaker 4: Fayla inspired song and I got you know, I got

1846
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:57,680
Speaker 4: them on it, you know what I'm saying. But that

1847
01:36:57,720 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 4: project never came out because when I ran it by

1848
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 4: the label, it didn't sound like music job. So you know,

1849
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:04,080
Speaker 4: it was a whole proj I might need to relive

1850
01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 4: it. It was called Universal.

1851
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:05,960
Speaker 1: Where is it now?

1852
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:08,840
Speaker 4: That's just somewhere. I gotta find it. It's sill on

1853
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:12,040
Speaker 4: CD somewhere. I did a song with Frank McComb is

1854
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:14,400
Speaker 4: pretty cool, and on it I did a song I

1855
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:16,320
Speaker 4: did a song with with I did a song with

1856
01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:19,759
Speaker 4: Lil John. It was like a punk rock punk punk,

1857
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:23,880
Speaker 4: black punk afro punk kind of song or whatever. That's

1858
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:24,400
Speaker 4: pretty cool.

1859
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:33,479
Speaker 6: John Roberts, Okay, yeah, I'm glad you was right because

1860
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:35,000
Speaker 6: the other would have been a problem.

1861
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:37,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, little John Roberts. You know, I did a record

1862
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:41,240
Speaker 4: with him. I was supposed to do a song with Rick.

1863
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:44,160
Speaker 5: But you know, oh Lord, you just called Lord.

1864
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:47,599
Speaker 4: Okay, No, I'm not saying this to just call people out.

1865
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:50,639
Speaker 4: I'm telling you about my timeline. These are the things that.

1866
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:53,080
Speaker 5: So this is still before you signed the deal.

1867
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:55,639
Speaker 4: No, this is afterwards. I just brought that up to say.

1868
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:58,040
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. These people that I lived with,

1869
01:37:58,120 --> 01:38:00,479
Speaker 4: you know, I tried to, you know, bring them up

1870
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:03,920
Speaker 4: with me, but you know, opportunities just never like came

1871
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:08,120
Speaker 4: to fruition. So now I'm back in Philly and i'm

1872
01:38:08,120 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 4: living I'm just staying with one of my managersers. I

1873
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:12,840
Speaker 4: didn't have nowhere to stay, but I knew that I

1874
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:14,600
Speaker 4: could stay with these guys if I can get in

1875
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 4: contact with But he was like, Noah, stay with me tonight.

1876
01:38:17,439 --> 01:38:19,840
Speaker 4: So I didn't know where you are right now, We're

1877
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 4: going to all go to New York together, you know

1878
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:25,880
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So that was the first time ever No,

1879
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:27,240
Speaker 4: I didn't get on the plane. Then I got on

1880
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:29,040
Speaker 4: the plane when I had to do the show up

1881
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:31,880
Speaker 4: to the premiere of The Nutty Professor too, because I

1882
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:34,800
Speaker 4: was on the soundtrack in LA. That's when I showed up.

1883
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:36,880
Speaker 4: That's when I actually took a plane. You know what

1884
01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:38,000
Speaker 4: I'm saying, freak.

1885
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:40,840
Speaker 5: You out because that's a five hour Yeah, there really was.

1886
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:42,800
Speaker 4: It really, it really did freak me out, you know

1887
01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:44,719
Speaker 4: what I'm saying at the premiere. And at the premiere

1888
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:46,640
Speaker 4: I ran into biblical thoughts while she was eating. I

1889
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:48,880
Speaker 4: was so starstruking. I wanted the picture. She was like, sir,

1890
01:38:50,200 --> 01:39:01,040
Speaker 4: I'm eating. I was likepoint left. Sorry, she was cute anyway.

1891
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:03,280
Speaker 4: I know I'm like going off on tangents, but this

1892
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:11,200
Speaker 4: is you know, yeah, so but New York. So I'm

1893
01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:15,519
Speaker 4: sitting in front of Kevin Lows. That's so with a

1894
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:19,559
Speaker 4: fresh haircut. Well it's not not. It was a fresh haircut.

1895
01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:23,200
Speaker 4: It was just freshly cut. Okay. I didn't have time

1896
01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:26,840
Speaker 4: to get a cut up. So I'm wolfing. I don't

1897
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:27,559
Speaker 4: have no coat.

1898
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:31,880
Speaker 2: That's how I know you from Philly.

1899
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:37,240
Speaker 4: So I got to borrow my manager's coat, who was

1900
01:39:37,320 --> 01:39:45,280
Speaker 4: what six six and telling stories.

1901
01:39:45,320 --> 01:39:46,479
Speaker 5: Okay, yes you're figuring it out.

1902
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:49,559
Speaker 4: But let's I'm in this big bubble coat, this big

1903
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:52,120
Speaker 4: brown bubble coat. I think it was fat Farm. I

1904
01:39:52,120 --> 01:39:56,679
Speaker 4: don't know. And I'm sitting there, you know, red Man

1905
01:39:56,720 --> 01:39:59,160
Speaker 4: is sitting on the table. I'm talking to this dude

1906
01:39:59,160 --> 01:40:01,280
Speaker 4: I never met before, ever heard of, Kevin Lewles because

1907
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:02,639
Speaker 4: I'm thinking because when I asked him on the phone,

1908
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:04,000
Speaker 4: I was They was like, yeah, we got a deal

1909
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:05,439
Speaker 4: for you on the table. I was like deal, what

1910
01:40:05,479 --> 01:40:06,960
Speaker 4: you mean? Like what does that mean? No, we got

1911
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:08,800
Speaker 4: we signed your record deal. I was like, well, who

1912
01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:11,160
Speaker 4: with depth? Jam? Give me like with Russell Simmons in them.

1913
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:13,720
Speaker 4: They was like, no, man, Russell Simmons is not over

1914
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:15,439
Speaker 4: depth jamm. And I was like, I don't know. I

1915
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:18,200
Speaker 4: just you said depth Jam Russell Simmons, It's all I know.

1916
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:20,559
Speaker 4: He was like, nah, it's just dude, that Kevin Lews.

1917
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, like Kevin lows Like. I was like, damn,

1918
01:40:26,479 --> 01:40:28,839
Speaker 4: I don't hear the bell, bro. Sorry, it was a virgin.

1919
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:34,439
Speaker 4: People don't understand how a virgin how like not knowing

1920
01:40:34,479 --> 01:40:38,120
Speaker 4: that I was, you know what I'm saying, super agreed.

1921
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:44,400
Speaker 4: I was vegan damn anyway, not technically, but anyway, so

1922
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:48,799
Speaker 4: you get it. So I'm in I'm in Kevin Law's

1923
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:51,679
Speaker 4: office and they're talking to me about all of this stuff.

1924
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:54,519
Speaker 4: That's like, bruh, I have no idea what any of

1925
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:57,320
Speaker 4: you are talking about. Right now, here's what I proposed.

1926
01:40:57,439 --> 01:40:59,599
Speaker 4: Since you like to work so much, won't you give

1927
01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:01,160
Speaker 4: me the break and let me go back in the

1928
01:41:01,200 --> 01:41:04,920
Speaker 4: studio and work on what I want to work on. No, Nah,

1929
01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:08,120
Speaker 4: these songs are great, bro, These songs are great. You

1930
01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 4: should put these out. I don't want to put these

1931
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:13,840
Speaker 4: out because these don't represent how I feel about presenting

1932
01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:18,120
Speaker 4: myself as mind you music. Soul Child wasn't even the name.

1933
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:18,960
Speaker 5: What is it?

1934
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:22,840
Speaker 4: People knew me as music? Technically it is, but people

1935
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:25,559
Speaker 4: knew me as music. But if I but I told myself,

1936
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:28,080
Speaker 4: if I ever became a thing, I would call myself.

1937
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:32,160
Speaker 4: Soul Child got because I represented the thing that I

1938
01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:35,439
Speaker 4: was trying to do. But I got the No, bro, like,

1939
01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:38,360
Speaker 4: people already know you as music, so why would you

1940
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:42,800
Speaker 4: do No nobody know me, but.

1941
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:43,639
Speaker 1: You got the compromise.

1942
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:45,280
Speaker 5: You got the compromise.

1943
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:47,240
Speaker 4: So I said, you know what, how about we do this?

1944
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:49,679
Speaker 4: How about we put it together. We got music soul

1945
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:52,040
Speaker 4: chouts like it's like bust rhymes. You know, it's like

1946
01:41:52,040 --> 01:41:54,479
Speaker 4: a try call question the whole thing, you know what

1947
01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:57,200
Speaker 4: I'm saying. So they was like, cool, fuck it whatever,

1948
01:41:57,280 --> 01:41:58,439
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, as long as we get

1949
01:41:58,439 --> 01:41:59,960
Speaker 4: the music. I was like, okay, that's why they were

1950
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:03,240
Speaker 4: was a discrepancy around like my second album, because I

1951
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:06,559
Speaker 4: was like, I don't feel authentic with this name, like

1952
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:09,920
Speaker 4: it would be different. No no, no, no, no no no,

1953
01:42:11,880 --> 01:42:14,479
Speaker 4: it will be different if I was actually living up

1954
01:42:14,520 --> 01:42:16,360
Speaker 4: to the name. But I don't feel like I'm living

1955
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:18,519
Speaker 4: up to the name. So until I do, I don't

1956
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:23,040
Speaker 4: think that is it's it's authentic, you know what I'm saying.

1957
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:24,920
Speaker 4: For me to call myself the full name, let me

1958
01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:28,320
Speaker 4: focus on it because, as it turns out, y'all have

1959
01:42:28,439 --> 01:42:33,639
Speaker 4: been running this show. Music is y'all's thing. Somehow along

1960
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:36,240
Speaker 4: the line broken telephone, everybody got the word you better

1961
01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:38,880
Speaker 4: not call them soul child. So people will be like,

1962
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:41,080
Speaker 4: so is it music? Is it? Like why y'all keep

1963
01:42:41,120 --> 01:42:43,519
Speaker 4: asking me this question? No, because we keep getting told.

1964
01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:44,840
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, like, you know we better

1965
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:47,080
Speaker 4: enough because you would get mad or some shit, some weird.

1966
01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:50,360
Speaker 4: I'm like, dude, whoa, oh, y'all doing way too much.

1967
01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:54,400
Speaker 4: And that's why after the third album, I was like,

1968
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:56,559
Speaker 4: you know what, let me help y'all out. Let's bring

1969
01:42:56,600 --> 01:43:00,719
Speaker 4: it back to me because apparently I can't get around it. Okay, cool,

1970
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:03,679
Speaker 4: let's go back to music. Soul Child. But then even

1971
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:07,440
Speaker 4: more confusion, you know what I'm saying, because they couldn't

1972
01:43:07,439 --> 01:43:11,439
Speaker 4: deny that they were basically being browbeaten by I don't know,

1973
01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:17,840
Speaker 4: the death Jangoons to you know, fall in line and

1974
01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:20,280
Speaker 4: now mind you. I'm not a part of none of this,

1975
01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:25,200
Speaker 4: but I gotta get in front of it. Though again communication,

1976
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:30,560
Speaker 4: no one's talking to me about any what you want?

1977
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:31,080
Speaker 1: Right?

1978
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:35,000
Speaker 4: And then they got moved over to Atlantic and they

1979
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:40,599
Speaker 4: kept going. So when I tell people in twenty what fifteen,

1980
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:44,960
Speaker 4: I haven't even gotten started yet, They're like, what are

1981
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:47,720
Speaker 4: you talking about? You're like, ain't you you?

1982
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:48,960
Speaker 5: They don't know.

1983
01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:52,360
Speaker 4: How can I communicate that to the How can I

1984
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:55,479
Speaker 4: make this make sense to people? It's gonna have fifteen years.

1985
01:43:55,680 --> 01:44:01,960
Speaker 5: I'm gonna have to ask Deanna, like, a, you.

1986
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:04,800
Speaker 4: Know, it's been fifteen years and I still feel like

1987
01:44:05,120 --> 01:44:09,160
Speaker 4: I haven't. I haven't done me yet. You didn't feel

1988
01:44:09,160 --> 01:44:12,599
Speaker 4: like feel the real was doing you. That's in that's

1989
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:13,439
Speaker 4: in seventeen.

1990
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:16,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh you you're talking about But to.

1991
01:44:16,360 --> 01:44:18,720
Speaker 4: Answer your question, but you answer your question, yes, but

1992
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:22,559
Speaker 4: before we got signed, but before you got to that then,

1993
01:44:22,640 --> 01:44:26,160
Speaker 4: But even then, that was me doing me with things

1994
01:44:26,160 --> 01:44:28,680
Speaker 4: that probably wouldn't have seen the light of day. So

1995
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:30,439
Speaker 4: you think of it, think of feel the rails like

1996
01:44:30,479 --> 01:44:34,160
Speaker 4: a like a lost tapes, so to speaks. Now it's

1997
01:44:34,200 --> 01:44:36,320
Speaker 4: just lost tape. That's what that feels like to me,

1998
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:39,719
Speaker 4: because that wasn't me going in the studio and actually

1999
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:41,920
Speaker 4: working on things from the ground up. That was like

2000
01:44:42,160 --> 01:44:45,520
Speaker 4: stuff that I had around that I thought was doper

2001
01:44:45,560 --> 01:44:47,240
Speaker 4: than anything. Like a lot of those songs are like

2002
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:51,759
Speaker 4: ten years old, wow almost you know what I'm saying,

2003
01:44:53,439 --> 01:44:55,360
Speaker 4: or at least the concepts of it. I just pulled

2004
01:44:55,400 --> 01:44:56,880
Speaker 4: back from the vault. You know what I'm sayingybe not

2005
01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:59,040
Speaker 4: ten years old. Maybe that's putting extras on it, you

2006
01:44:59,120 --> 01:45:04,280
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. But I'm like way older than Yeah,

2007
01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:09,280
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. What life on Earth was different?

2008
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:12,519
Speaker 4: Because that was all Warren Campbell. Literally every song is

2009
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:15,040
Speaker 4: Warren Campbell. Now there is a song on there that

2010
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:18,280
Speaker 4: is like about ten years old. It's called Alive and well,

2011
01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:20,240
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying that I did way way

2012
01:45:20,280 --> 01:45:23,600
Speaker 4: way back. Fiel the Real actually played one of the

2013
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:26,840
Speaker 4: songs and for Benefits. I played that for all for Knife. Okay,

2014
01:45:27,439 --> 01:45:29,639
Speaker 4: I played Benefits for Knife and Knife was like, Yo,

2015
01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:31,439
Speaker 4: so what we doing? Like we're trying to sign the

2016
01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:36,320
Speaker 4: Jamler Like I'm like, like, it's not that simple. Like

2017
01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:39,960
Speaker 4: I have a engagement with a whole other company that

2018
01:45:41,080 --> 01:45:46,960
Speaker 4: I have a contract with. I love you that right now.

2019
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:50,759
Speaker 4: We can have a conversation later. You know what I'm saying.

2020
01:45:51,160 --> 01:45:53,160
Speaker 4: That's why Rap is on it. You know what I'm saying,

2021
01:45:53,240 --> 01:45:55,559
Speaker 4: because I give him for Rap because I'm like, yo,

2022
01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:57,800
Speaker 4: I need Rap on my ship, like I need her,

2023
01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:01,840
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, that's why she's

2024
01:46:01,880 --> 01:46:07,400
Speaker 4: on the on the on the Life on Earth. Yeah, no,

2025
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:10,920
Speaker 4: she's on the She's on a joint called far Gone

2026
01:46:11,479 --> 01:46:13,679
Speaker 4: uh on Life on Earth. You know what I'm saying.

2027
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:17,000
Speaker 4: That's how she got on here. But and I actually

2028
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:19,200
Speaker 4: wanted to do a whole project with Rap, you know

2029
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:21,920
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. But I think you know, you know,

2030
01:46:22,040 --> 01:46:25,360
Speaker 4: the communication got got broke down. You know what I'm saying.

2031
01:46:25,400 --> 01:46:27,280
Speaker 4: We got a whole talk about it, you know what

2032
01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:29,080
Speaker 4: I'm saying, at least me and him, Me and Rap

2033
01:46:29,080 --> 01:46:30,400
Speaker 4: didn't really talk about it. I told her that it

2034
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:32,320
Speaker 4: was something that I wanted to do, but we didn't

2035
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:34,840
Speaker 4: really like discussed disgusted it, but I disgusted it with

2036
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:37,000
Speaker 4: him like yo, and the whole ship could be produced

2037
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:39,360
Speaker 4: by all Jambler producers, like I don't care, Like I

2038
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:41,600
Speaker 4: wouldn't go right now. You know what I'm saying. You

2039
01:46:41,640 --> 01:46:45,439
Speaker 4: know you got you got Jones, you got Crisis, you

2040
01:46:45,479 --> 01:46:48,040
Speaker 4: got you know, you know what I'm saying, You got

2041
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:50,519
Speaker 4: all these people that does mad good ship. You know

2042
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:52,760
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. You got you you know, let's go.

2043
01:46:53,479 --> 01:46:56,559
Speaker 4: But you know, it just never happened. So hopefully, you know,

2044
01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:01,800
Speaker 4: a music and rhapsody produced by you know, all GAM

2045
01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:03,960
Speaker 4: producers might happen. Might not. I don't know that would

2046
01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:04,280
Speaker 4: be dope.

2047
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:07,519
Speaker 5: But you just getting started so ship like yeah, you.

2048
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:09,240
Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying, It got so bad. I literally

2049
01:47:09,320 --> 01:47:11,760
Speaker 4: just started starting up groups with everybody. That's why me

2050
01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:14,080
Speaker 4: and two three are a group. You know what I'm saying,

2051
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:16,000
Speaker 4: because I was like, I need to start doing me now,

2052
01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:17,599
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, and I want to work

2053
01:47:17,640 --> 01:47:21,200
Speaker 4: with everybody. I actually was talking. I don't know how

2054
01:47:21,240 --> 01:47:23,400
Speaker 4: realistic it is, but I was talking to Robert. I

2055
01:47:23,479 --> 01:47:26,080
Speaker 4: was like, yo, I think me bellowing Jazzman need to

2056
01:47:26,120 --> 01:47:27,639
Speaker 4: be a group and you should produce the whole thing.

2057
01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:31,320
Speaker 6: She's aloud and I talked to Jazz about it.

2058
01:47:31,400 --> 01:47:33,519
Speaker 4: She was like, you did you? Did you talk to Blon?

2059
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:37,720
Speaker 4: It was like, right, no, I didn't. Actually now I

2060
01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:39,200
Speaker 4: don't have his number and I have no way of

2061
01:47:39,240 --> 01:47:41,160
Speaker 4: contacting him. You know what I'm saying. I used to

2062
01:47:41,680 --> 01:47:43,000
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, But he would just you.

2063
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:44,959
Speaker 5: Know, it's so funny.

2064
01:47:44,760 --> 01:47:46,800
Speaker 4: Because you know, stop taking my calls after a while.

2065
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:51,519
Speaker 4: I don't know why, but I don't know. People just different.

2066
01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:54,320
Speaker 4: People just move. I guess, you know whatever. I just so,

2067
01:47:54,360 --> 01:47:55,519
Speaker 4: I just stopped. I just stopped calling.

2068
01:47:55,680 --> 01:48:00,160
Speaker 1: You know, isn't called social media, right.

2069
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:03,360
Speaker 4: Oh you have to you're under the impression that I

2070
01:48:03,439 --> 01:48:05,000
Speaker 4: frequent those.

2071
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:08,280
Speaker 5: I don't at all A new phone number.

2072
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:10,439
Speaker 1: One's number. I just DMS.

2073
01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:13,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't even I don't DM. I don't ain't

2074
01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:16,080
Speaker 4: gonna be no music versus probably not.

2075
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:18,960
Speaker 5: I'm literally enjoy it anyway.

2076
01:48:19,120 --> 01:48:24,680
Speaker 4: I literally literally literally yes, that would sugar fest for me.

2077
01:48:24,760 --> 01:48:25,559
Speaker 5: You're so right.

2078
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:30,400
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry that would be a versus you would be.

2079
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:31,880
Speaker 1: I figure be quite the opposite.

2080
01:48:32,280 --> 01:48:36,840
Speaker 4: Then somebody needs to be represented on my behalf because

2081
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:42,840
Speaker 4: I'll just be there like well, my question is is.

2082
01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:43,640
Speaker 1: There a part of you?

2083
01:48:43,880 --> 01:48:45,799
Speaker 4: Is there a part of you even in the midst

2084
01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:48,080
Speaker 4: of you know, feeling like you know when you talk

2085
01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:50,280
Speaker 4: about not being able to really represent yourself and kind

2086
01:48:50,280 --> 01:48:53,160
Speaker 4: of what those early records represent, is there a part

2087
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:56,920
Speaker 4: of you that does feel like you did in many

2088
01:48:56,920 --> 01:49:01,800
Speaker 4: ways get the last laugh because of everyone that, yeah,

2089
01:49:01,960 --> 01:49:05,120
Speaker 4: nigga like because in the midst of that soul carrying photo,

2090
01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:10,800
Speaker 4: you're the one that had the most like chart success,

2091
01:49:10,840 --> 01:49:14,840
Speaker 4: the most long don't even think about that.

2092
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:18,360
Speaker 5: Because of it, because of the check, because they don't even.

2093
01:49:18,240 --> 01:49:21,200
Speaker 4: Think about winning. You gotta understand, I don't see if

2094
01:49:21,240 --> 01:49:26,679
Speaker 4: I want, I don't even see the win. Guess why

2095
01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:27,200
Speaker 4: I don't see the.

2096
01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:29,120
Speaker 5: On But you're not working at the piece of spot.

2097
01:49:31,479 --> 01:49:36,439
Speaker 4: Perception. It's everybody loves citing my timeline to me like

2098
01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:39,599
Speaker 4: I'm not me, like I get it. I get it.

2099
01:49:40,479 --> 01:49:42,160
Speaker 5: That's not that people's way. I'm trying to make sense.

2100
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:45,519
Speaker 4: No, no, And like I always say, people always try

2101
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:48,400
Speaker 4: to rationalize it, you know what I'm saying, because they

2102
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:51,240
Speaker 4: don't want to contend with the reality that everything that

2103
01:49:51,240 --> 01:49:55,479
Speaker 4: I've done up until now is was per request. So

2104
01:49:55,600 --> 01:49:57,720
Speaker 4: even if the fact that it was successful doesn't mean

2105
01:49:57,760 --> 01:50:00,680
Speaker 4: anything to you, it's like, no, no, no, it was us.

2106
01:50:00,840 --> 01:50:03,200
Speaker 4: But which But if you want me to be all

2107
01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:06,519
Speaker 4: up at arms about how great I did, I didn't

2108
01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:09,920
Speaker 4: do great. It was a collective effort, you know what

2109
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:12,720
Speaker 4: I'm saying, And it was, but it was it was.

2110
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:16,519
Speaker 4: It was a collective effort, but it was It was

2111
01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:21,400
Speaker 4: essentially under the rest, you know what I'm saying. Not

2112
01:50:21,439 --> 01:50:23,400
Speaker 4: that nobody was putting a gun in my head, but

2113
01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:25,960
Speaker 4: I didn't really have any other opportunities. So my best bet.

2114
01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:27,760
Speaker 4: There was a whole span between my third and my

2115
01:50:27,800 --> 01:50:30,200
Speaker 4: fourth album that I was on the phone with members

2116
01:50:30,240 --> 01:50:32,479
Speaker 4: of the label and they were trying to explain to me,

2117
01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:35,640
Speaker 4: like Sam, if you don't move in this direction, it

2118
01:50:35,680 --> 01:50:40,360
Speaker 4: could very well be over for you. Yeah, And I

2119
01:50:40,400 --> 01:50:41,719
Speaker 4: had to sit with that.

2120
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:45,880
Speaker 2: Like it's not good with Lee or or Julie or

2121
01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:46,320
Speaker 2: any of that.

2122
01:50:46,439 --> 01:50:47,760
Speaker 4: Oh, I ain't got no beef with le Or and

2123
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:51,639
Speaker 4: Julie like that. I never really dealt with them directly, Yeah, okay,

2124
01:50:53,640 --> 01:50:58,479
Speaker 4: in passing. I would see them in passing and it

2125
01:50:58,600 --> 01:51:00,840
Speaker 4: was all up. Like I have literally truly no beef

2126
01:51:00,840 --> 01:51:03,240
Speaker 4: with either one. I don't have a relationship with them,

2127
01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:06,080
Speaker 4: more so with Julie than lee Ark. But even then

2128
01:51:06,160 --> 01:51:09,280
Speaker 4: it's like it's touch and go, Like I don't you

2129
01:51:09,360 --> 01:51:11,680
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. It was. It was I went

2130
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:14,840
Speaker 4: to work, you know those doors we work together, you

2131
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:19,480
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. My relationship was directly with Kevin Lyles,

2132
01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:23,840
Speaker 4: and even sometimes not even with him. It was on

2133
01:51:24,040 --> 01:51:30,920
Speaker 4: at the behead stuff Kevin Lyles, you know what I'm saying. Right, So, yeah, Like,

2134
01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:33,080
Speaker 4: and it's hard, And that's why I don't talk about

2135
01:51:33,080 --> 01:51:37,240
Speaker 4: it because I know how much it undermines people's relationship

2136
01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:40,840
Speaker 4: with my music and the expectations they have of what

2137
01:51:40,920 --> 01:51:43,400
Speaker 4: they gonna get. So I try. I do my best

2138
01:51:43,439 --> 01:51:45,639
Speaker 4: to live up to it. But when you start getting

2139
01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:48,120
Speaker 4: older and you start looking yourself in the mirror after

2140
01:51:48,479 --> 01:51:50,840
Speaker 4: you just did you know, some shucking and driving, you

2141
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:53,800
Speaker 4: don't feel good on the inside. So yeah, even though

2142
01:51:53,960 --> 01:51:57,360
Speaker 4: I can account for the successes and I'm eternally grateful

2143
01:51:57,439 --> 01:51:59,559
Speaker 4: for the blessings that came from it, because I wouldn't

2144
01:51:59,600 --> 01:52:01,679
Speaker 4: even have an name of credibility or way to provide

2145
01:52:01,720 --> 01:52:04,120
Speaker 4: for myself and loved ones. That's not lost on me

2146
01:52:04,240 --> 01:52:07,160
Speaker 4: at all. It doesn't take away the real reality though,

2147
01:52:07,479 --> 01:52:11,639
Speaker 4: that my time Bruh is with hell wow.

2148
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:16,000
Speaker 1: So let me ask, how would you explain.

2149
01:52:17,360 --> 01:52:21,639
Speaker 2: Your twenty year experience as far as your creative output,

2150
01:52:22,240 --> 01:52:28,280
Speaker 2: your your actual albums, your art. How do you explain

2151
01:52:28,320 --> 01:52:30,360
Speaker 2: that to your son? How do you break it down

2152
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:31,720
Speaker 2: to him? How do you present it to him?

2153
01:52:31,720 --> 01:52:33,960
Speaker 4: He doesn't care. That's the that's the that's how I

2154
01:52:33,960 --> 01:52:36,240
Speaker 4: get off. He doesn't care. He doesn't even know what's

2155
01:52:36,240 --> 01:52:39,360
Speaker 4: the thing, but he will. It's not part of his day.

2156
01:52:40,479 --> 01:52:45,400
Speaker 1: He literally has no clue that you're this music icon.

2157
01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:48,360
Speaker 4: Has He literally not just me, his mom.

2158
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:49,760
Speaker 5: I was about to say his mom too.

2159
01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:51,960
Speaker 4: You don't know he gets it. He gets an honest

2160
01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:56,280
Speaker 4: both ways, and he literally has no clue. He isn't

2161
01:52:56,280 --> 01:52:59,479
Speaker 4: even like a singing to him. He gets emotional. Wow

2162
01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:05,800
Speaker 4: Lively starts crying. Yeah, yeah, yeah, crazy, I mean, but

2163
01:53:05,880 --> 01:53:08,200
Speaker 4: you know he has his challenges. You know, he's not

2164
01:53:08,439 --> 01:53:11,160
Speaker 4: he's not really good at communicating his emotions and his thoughts.

2165
01:53:11,200 --> 01:53:13,800
Speaker 4: Like that's a challenge. So we don't know whether that's

2166
01:53:13,800 --> 01:53:16,559
Speaker 4: a police stop or please don't know what's going on,

2167
01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:19,360
Speaker 4: like you know, so we're still we're still managing that,

2168
01:53:19,439 --> 01:53:21,439
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But I don't take it

2169
01:53:21,479 --> 01:53:23,920
Speaker 4: away like I actually preferred that he doesn't know, so that,

2170
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:27,679
Speaker 4: you know, all he sees is Daddy, That's all he sees.

2171
01:53:27,800 --> 01:53:30,280
Speaker 4: You know, I don't want to better. You know what

2172
01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:32,599
Speaker 4: I'm saying. I better, you know what I'm saying, because

2173
01:53:32,640 --> 01:53:33,920
Speaker 4: I want I want him to like dude.

2174
01:53:34,920 --> 01:53:39,680
Speaker 2: See see often the QLs family will do this to

2175
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:44,599
Speaker 2: me because I hate the idea of roses or taking

2176
01:53:44,680 --> 01:53:48,920
Speaker 2: roses or accepting compliments or uh.

2177
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:55,280
Speaker 4: But I mean, let me just say, you know, okay,

2178
01:53:55,360 --> 01:53:59,719
Speaker 4: were about to get super you know, I wasn't.

2179
01:53:59,720 --> 01:54:08,519
Speaker 1: In it is now he's.

2180
01:54:04,320 --> 01:54:05,080
Speaker 5: That it doesn't matter.

2181
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:09,840
Speaker 6: Take a paw ta take this good ship music right now.

2182
01:54:10,400 --> 01:54:12,320
Speaker 6: Don't make me call you by your government. Take this

2183
01:54:12,360 --> 01:54:13,479
Speaker 6: good ship go ahead of mirror.

2184
01:54:14,520 --> 01:54:19,600
Speaker 1: No dog, I'm just saying that you have done.

2185
01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:26,120
Speaker 2: A great service. You have, Dude, you you've made at

2186
01:54:26,160 --> 01:54:29,040
Speaker 2: the definitive. You made a definitive wedding song.

2187
01:54:29,960 --> 01:54:33,080
Speaker 4: That's hard not a wedding song. It's not a wedding song,

2188
01:54:33,200 --> 01:54:36,120
Speaker 4: no matter what. Wait wait, wait, which one are you

2189
01:54:36,160 --> 01:54:40,160
Speaker 4: talking to? I've been at least to wedding really do

2190
01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:41,600
Speaker 4: the two.

2191
01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:44,120
Speaker 1: I've been to ten weddings where love is the new

2192
01:54:44,200 --> 01:54:45,920
Speaker 1: you and I you know how?

2193
01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:51,520
Speaker 4: No, No, it's an emo song? You know emo? That

2194
01:54:51,600 --> 01:54:52,120
Speaker 4: song is?

2195
01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:54,560
Speaker 1: Oh? Wait? Is this another reasons?

2196
01:54:56,760 --> 01:55:01,720
Speaker 4: An inside joke with earthwinder Fire reason not being the

2197
01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:05,200
Speaker 4: song that black people mean it for. But I didn't

2198
01:55:05,240 --> 01:55:07,200
Speaker 4: know that and funny enough and that you brought that up.

2199
01:55:07,240 --> 01:55:10,040
Speaker 4: I actually remade that song with Warren Campbell. It's pretty lick.

2200
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:12,839
Speaker 4: You want to go check it out. So, man, speaking

2201
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:15,760
Speaker 4: of Warren camp So you talk about, you know, songs

2202
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:19,240
Speaker 4: not representing you, please tell me is until one of

2203
01:55:19,280 --> 01:55:20,800
Speaker 4: the songs that represents Yeah.

2204
01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:21,640
Speaker 1: I got the.

2205
01:55:21,680 --> 01:55:28,280
Speaker 4: Pleasure of perform the radio station in l A A

2206
01:55:28,520 --> 01:55:35,520
Speaker 4: K K J L H by Stevie Wonder and Stokely

2207
01:55:35,560 --> 01:55:40,560
Speaker 4: Williams called in and was like brodition. That was what

2208
01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:45,320
Speaker 4: like a freaking highlight okay, and that's why I was produced.

2209
01:55:45,920 --> 01:55:50,000
Speaker 4: That was produced by Warren Campbell with a gap band

2210
01:55:50,160 --> 01:55:54,280
Speaker 4: really Charlie Wilson sample in it, and I'm also referencing

2211
01:55:54,360 --> 01:55:58,440
Speaker 4: Marvin Gay like I can't make that up. No, I

2212
01:55:58,480 --> 01:56:03,360
Speaker 4: love that song Ago and the resident DJ. I can't

2213
01:56:03,720 --> 01:56:06,400
Speaker 4: make that up, bro, Like that was a highlight of

2214
01:56:06,480 --> 01:56:10,480
Speaker 4: my life. And then Stephen decides to get on the

2215
01:56:10,600 --> 01:56:14,360
Speaker 4: Keys Live on Radio, has to get on radio Live

2216
01:56:14,520 --> 01:56:17,840
Speaker 4: Live on Radio and place Keys. You're like egging me

2217
01:56:17,880 --> 01:56:20,760
Speaker 4: to sing love, you know what I'm saying, Like like

2218
01:56:21,040 --> 01:56:26,360
Speaker 4: Stevie is literally the God, like literally for me, you

2219
01:56:26,440 --> 01:56:29,920
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. So just to wrap up the

2220
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:31,120
Speaker 4: question that you asked me.

2221
01:56:31,320 --> 01:56:33,800
Speaker 1: I asked I'm trying to give you a compliment, but.

2222
01:56:35,080 --> 01:56:39,280
Speaker 4: The previous question, the previous question, the previous question, you

2223
01:56:39,320 --> 01:56:41,560
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. And also to sew up a

2224
01:56:41,560 --> 01:56:44,240
Speaker 4: lot of loose ends for Tiger because he keeps asking

2225
01:56:44,280 --> 01:56:47,400
Speaker 4: me certain things and I'm not. I'm not. He's like, Okay,

2226
01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:53,680
Speaker 4: at least tell me blah blah. Yeah. So when but

2227
01:56:53,760 --> 01:56:56,760
Speaker 4: that's when it changed. It changed with Life on Earth.

2228
01:56:57,080 --> 01:57:03,120
Speaker 4: But even still it was a Warren Campbell production. Yeah,

2229
01:57:03,240 --> 01:57:05,720
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. I loved it and we

2230
01:57:05,840 --> 01:57:07,720
Speaker 4: kind of had our falling out in the process. We

2231
01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:11,120
Speaker 4: since made up. I called him, was like, bro, I'm

2232
01:57:11,160 --> 01:57:13,040
Speaker 4: not gonna walk around with shitting in my chest for you.

2233
01:57:13,320 --> 01:57:16,120
Speaker 4: I'm letting it go. We cool. You know what I'm saying,

2234
01:57:16,320 --> 01:57:22,000
Speaker 4: because it wasn't even him, it was ancillary individuals in

2235
01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:24,520
Speaker 4: the midst well an individual so we're not even gonna

2236
01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:28,680
Speaker 4: get into that. But I love that project. And that

2237
01:57:28,880 --> 01:57:31,000
Speaker 4: was when I was like, That's when I was really

2238
01:57:31,040 --> 01:57:35,640
Speaker 4: definitively like I'm done. That's why my first single I Do.

2239
01:57:36,760 --> 01:57:39,680
Speaker 4: I went to that and he thank you. I went

2240
01:57:39,720 --> 01:57:41,040
Speaker 4: to LA and he was like, yo, I got this

2241
01:57:41,080 --> 01:57:42,320
Speaker 4: joint I want you to be. I was like, dude,

2242
01:57:42,360 --> 01:57:44,160
Speaker 4: I'm not even feel I don't even feel like. He's like, dude,

2243
01:57:44,240 --> 01:57:47,360
Speaker 4: just get in there and sing whatever you want to sing, Like,

2244
01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:49,640
Speaker 4: just do you. So the first thing that came out

2245
01:57:49,680 --> 01:57:52,880
Speaker 4: of my mouth was sometimes I don't like you. You

2246
01:57:53,080 --> 01:57:56,760
Speaker 4: always got a problem with anything that I do. I

2247
01:57:56,800 --> 01:57:59,640
Speaker 4: don't know, always understand everything about you. And I was like,

2248
01:57:59,680 --> 01:58:03,480
Speaker 4: better shu up, but I know, I just live with

2249
01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:06,800
Speaker 4: that out here. Clean it up. I do, I do,

2250
01:58:07,040 --> 01:58:11,640
Speaker 4: I do? I do? And you know, and then I

2251
01:58:11,680 --> 01:58:14,520
Speaker 4: fell out of it. Again. But then I ran into

2252
01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:16,880
Speaker 4: this dude named Jay Reil from Atlanta and we did

2253
01:58:16,920 --> 01:58:20,120
Speaker 4: five records together on Field the Real. You know that

2254
01:58:20,200 --> 01:58:22,640
Speaker 4: dude literally brought me out and we're a group called

2255
01:58:22,640 --> 01:58:24,920
Speaker 4: Denham Road. So yasha about that, damn.

2256
01:58:27,880 --> 01:58:29,480
Speaker 1: Sugar Steven.

2257
01:58:31,120 --> 01:58:34,800
Speaker 4: I'm literally legit in three functioning groups right now. It's

2258
01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:37,000
Speaker 4: Denham Rolls with j Rell. He's my producer that we

2259
01:58:37,040 --> 01:58:39,400
Speaker 4: work together, did five records on Field the Real. It's

2260
01:58:39,480 --> 01:58:42,040
Speaker 4: Loonie Trice, you know what I'm saying with two guys

2261
01:58:42,280 --> 01:58:45,920
Speaker 4: from Atlanta, one from Alabama, and you know it's actually

2262
01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:47,800
Speaker 4: more it's like a singer's version of a of a

2263
01:58:47,880 --> 01:58:50,640
Speaker 4: trip called quest type situation I'm trying to do. We

2264
01:58:50,720 --> 01:58:53,680
Speaker 4: put two singles out called Same Way and in p

2265
01:58:53,800 --> 01:58:56,200
Speaker 4: d A. PDA is actually pretty fresh. You might want

2266
01:58:56,200 --> 01:58:59,000
Speaker 4: to go check out PDA And it's Loomy Trice, l

2267
01:58:59,080 --> 01:59:02,840
Speaker 4: U and my t R I CE and and I'm

2268
01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:05,800
Speaker 4: in a group with uh uh with T three Yes

2269
01:59:05,920 --> 01:59:07,840
Speaker 4: Trace ninety eight. We got a song called one one

2270
01:59:07,840 --> 01:59:11,200
Speaker 4: More Time, I mean once once upon a time, you

2271
01:59:11,200 --> 01:59:14,160
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. And that's that's the ones that

2272
01:59:14,200 --> 01:59:18,480
Speaker 4: are functioning. There's other ones that I'm still waiting on somebody,

2273
01:59:18,640 --> 01:59:20,600
Speaker 4: you like, pick it up and help me, because I

2274
01:59:20,760 --> 01:59:22,280
Speaker 4: can't do it by myself if we're in a group.

2275
01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:23,720
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. But I don't want to

2276
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:26,040
Speaker 4: pressure nobody to like, you get to it whenever you

2277
01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:28,000
Speaker 4: get to it, you know what I'm saying. But in

2278
01:59:28,040 --> 01:59:32,680
Speaker 4: the meantime, so fast forward to today, the most on

2279
01:59:33,040 --> 01:59:41,000
Speaker 4: brand music soul child project I've ever done. M It's

2280
01:59:41,080 --> 01:59:46,240
Speaker 4: called Do It for Dilla The Soul Brothers Series, Volume one. Okay,

2281
01:59:46,440 --> 01:59:50,440
Speaker 4: it's available. It's available on bank Camp. I literally took

2282
01:59:50,480 --> 01:59:55,680
Speaker 4: Villa beats and I did remakes of Donny Hathaway, Stevie Wonder,

2283
01:59:55,800 --> 01:59:59,440
Speaker 4: Michael Jackson, Marvin Gay, and Prince. That is the most

2284
01:59:59,480 --> 02:00:02,880
Speaker 4: on the brand music so thing that I've ever done

2285
02:00:02,880 --> 02:00:06,720
Speaker 4: in my entire career because it's literally me going back

2286
02:00:06,720 --> 02:00:09,560
Speaker 4: to where it started from for me, because I got lost.

2287
02:00:09,560 --> 02:00:11,680
Speaker 4: I couldn't see the road no more. So something in

2288
02:00:11,720 --> 02:00:13,880
Speaker 4: my head said, dude, just start from the beginning. Why

2289
02:00:13,880 --> 02:00:15,720
Speaker 4: are you even doing this? Dude? Like what got you

2290
02:00:15,800 --> 02:00:18,560
Speaker 4: into what made you want to do this was because

2291
02:00:18,560 --> 02:00:20,680
Speaker 4: you know, I'm listening to all of these people that

2292
02:00:20,840 --> 02:00:23,040
Speaker 4: I felt like was super dope, and they helped me

2293
02:00:23,120 --> 02:00:25,720
Speaker 4: learn how to find my voice in music, so let

2294
02:00:25,800 --> 02:00:28,080
Speaker 4: me honor them. And then I've always been trying to

2295
02:00:28,320 --> 02:00:30,720
Speaker 4: like you, remember I mayor, I've been trying to do

2296
02:00:30,800 --> 02:00:34,000
Speaker 4: this diller thing I did. Ah. He actually sent me

2297
02:00:34,400 --> 02:00:36,560
Speaker 4: a chop up of dancing machine and I did a

2298
02:00:36,600 --> 02:00:38,280
Speaker 4: record over and I played it for you because we

2299
02:00:38,280 --> 02:00:40,320
Speaker 4: were supposed to work on some stuff, but that got weird.

2300
02:00:40,440 --> 02:00:43,720
Speaker 2: You played you the first supposed to work on some

2301
02:00:43,720 --> 02:00:44,800
Speaker 2: stuff and it got weird.

2302
02:00:45,440 --> 02:00:48,640
Speaker 4: No no, no, no, no no no no to work go

2303
02:00:49,120 --> 02:00:51,720
Speaker 4: yeah yeah yeah, but me and my mayor was supposed

2304
02:00:51,720 --> 02:00:54,280
Speaker 4: to work on stuff, but I moved and we lost communication.

2305
02:00:54,480 --> 02:00:58,840
Speaker 4: And you know they're they're the roots and he's show.

2306
02:00:59,480 --> 02:01:01,280
Speaker 5: Plus you need some things from him right now.

2307
02:01:01,400 --> 02:01:04,600
Speaker 1: So we're gonna like this compliment so I can wrap up.

2308
02:01:05,000 --> 02:01:13,120
Speaker 2: God, God, damn it, thank you to wrap it up, though, brouh.

2309
02:01:13,720 --> 02:01:19,040
Speaker 1: I appreciate your artistry. I love you, brother. These aren't empty,

2310
02:01:19,680 --> 02:01:21,400
Speaker 1: meaningless brown nowsy.

2311
02:01:21,080 --> 02:01:22,360
Speaker 5: Words, platitudes.

2312
02:01:22,760 --> 02:01:23,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but you are.

2313
02:01:24,080 --> 02:01:28,760
Speaker 2: Yes, you are appreciated. No seriously, man, yeah for real,

2314
02:01:28,960 --> 02:01:32,120
Speaker 2: And sometimes we just forget to tell each other. Hey man,

2315
02:01:32,360 --> 02:01:33,560
Speaker 2: we are for real.

2316
02:01:33,640 --> 02:01:34,200
Speaker 1: You just forget.

2317
02:01:34,360 --> 02:01:38,640
Speaker 4: That's that's the crime, and that's how I forget taking away.

2318
02:01:38,680 --> 02:01:39,440
Speaker 4: It is what it is.

2319
02:01:40,240 --> 02:01:42,640
Speaker 6: But understand, nobody else's voice could have sang those songs

2320
02:01:42,640 --> 02:01:44,600
Speaker 6: and made us feel the way we feel, regardless of

2321
02:01:44,600 --> 02:01:46,480
Speaker 6: whose pen exactly.

2322
02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:53,160
Speaker 4: Okay, now there we go. No, I'm just saying I

2323
02:01:53,280 --> 02:01:55,840
Speaker 4: just in honor of that. I just want to be

2324
02:01:56,000 --> 02:02:00,680
Speaker 4: more authentic. That's why I'm always we welcome that do me.

2325
02:02:01,040 --> 02:02:03,120
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I'm tired of doing other

2326
02:02:03,160 --> 02:02:06,080
Speaker 4: people stuff. Thank you for throwing me the ball. I

2327
02:02:06,120 --> 02:02:07,880
Speaker 4: get it, but I want I want to. I want to.

2328
02:02:07,920 --> 02:02:11,520
Speaker 4: I want to feel like, did you feel did you

2329
02:02:11,560 --> 02:02:14,400
Speaker 4: believe that her the record with you and ad Keys.

2330
02:02:14,200 --> 02:02:14,600
Speaker 1: Was that you?

2331
02:02:14,800 --> 02:02:16,680
Speaker 4: Do you feel like that was you? Because that's another

2332
02:02:16,720 --> 02:02:23,120
Speaker 4: one of my favorite in there stuck in there. Yeah,

2333
02:02:24,240 --> 02:02:27,560
Speaker 4: because because I wasn't confident that the label would have

2334
02:02:27,920 --> 02:02:30,000
Speaker 4: allowed it to have its own I d You know

2335
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:31,880
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. The only reason why they let me

2336
02:02:31,960 --> 02:02:34,320
Speaker 4: do the whole bloud thing was because Blave was a

2337
02:02:34,320 --> 02:02:36,480
Speaker 4: blild thing, you know what I'm saying. And plus it

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Speaker 4: was epic. That's why I intro the song the way

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Speaker 4: that I did, like I don't care if anybody agreed

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Speaker 4: with me. This is a monumental epic moment, me and

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Speaker 4: this dude on the same song Eat it is. I

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Speaker 4: don't understand how huge this is.

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Speaker 5: We got it, We got it, we we got it.

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Speaker 5: We've been watching we fans don't do that.

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Speaker 2: No for real jokes aside, man, We we love you, man,

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Speaker 2: we appreciate you, and we well we we will do.

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Speaker 2: I will do better personally to stay in cont because

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Speaker 2: I'm also I'm mister hermit.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not what it is.

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Speaker 2: It's it's the change that can be for real, for real.

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Speaker 2: Thank you all right, so on behalf of quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 2: Uh fon Tigelo uh unpaid Bill went up in.

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Speaker 1: The rapture maybe and Sugar Steve and music, thank you

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Speaker 1: very much for joining us. My name is quest Love.

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Speaker 1: We will see you on the next go round. West

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Speaker 1: Love Supreme is a production of iHeart Radio.

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