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Speaker 2: We always reserve a seat for you in the studio. So, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's Tuesday. This is it, guys. One week. We're at

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Speaker 2: the seven day mark with dueling speeches today from the

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Speaker 2: two candidates. We're going to be talking about both of

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Speaker 2: them with Denver Riggleman in a moment as we survey

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Speaker 2: the landscape here. President Biden, Yes, Joe Biden is still

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Speaker 2: the president. We'll be in Baltimore today delivering remarks on

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Speaker 2: his Investing in America agenda as the two candidates take

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Speaker 2: different paths. Kamala Harris staying here in Washington. This is

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Speaker 2: an idea that's generated some controversy. Why aren't you in

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Speaker 2: a swing state? She'll be on the ellipse, of course,

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Speaker 2: conjuring images of January sixth, in a speech that seems

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Speaker 2: to be pivoting into something more optimistic, talking about her

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Speaker 2: overall agenda, drawing distinctions between herself and Donald Trump, Who's

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Speaker 2: going to be in Allentown, which is very curious today.

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Speaker 2: I believe the largest Latino population in Pennsylvania in Allentown.

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Speaker 2: As remarks from Madison Square Garden catch fire, and the

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Speaker 2: campaign finds itself playing defense again. Here we are with

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Speaker 2: a real contrast, but polls that are tied. Denver. Riggleman

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Speaker 2: for Harris. You're in town to see this thing unfold

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Speaker 2: on the ellipse, aren't you welcome? I am in the studio. Well,

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Speaker 2: thank you for having me. Yeah, I am.

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Speaker 3: It's what a I know we were talking a little

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Speaker 2: The January sixth investigation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know how it started on the ellipse right

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Speaker 2: For Harris, it's just a so what's going through your mind?

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Speaker 2: And what do you think about this argument over her

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Speaker 2: choice of venue, the Optics. A week out when she

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Speaker 3: I think, after Madison Square Garden, what you saw at

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Speaker 3: the rally, I think this is a brilliant move. You know,

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Speaker 3: I think what she's doing here, she's saying that American

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Speaker 3: So I think it's actually a master stroke after what

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Speaker 2: Interesting, this speech appears to be evolving. Maybe you can

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Speaker 2: I guess in the campaign, worries that she would paint

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Speaker 2: Now this is shifting to Optics, to say, hey, but

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Speaker 3: And I think that's where she's going now. And again,

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Speaker 2: It's really interesting. So you've watched this thing unfolded Madison

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, I was watching some comics actually

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Speaker 3: So I think I think racism is very difficult to

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Speaker 2: The campaign condemned the garbage Island, whatever line. Should they

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Speaker 3: Harris, we're very close. So but you know, for me,

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Speaker 3: It's like, can you just take a joke and think

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Speaker 2: I just don't get it. Hulk Hogan was part of

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Speaker 3: now it's not about the morality of Trump. Maybe again,

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Speaker 2: So Denver Riggleman just said it out loud. Right. We

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Speaker 5: We got to get the congressman elected, and we got

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Speaker 6: And I think with our little secret, we're going to

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Speaker 3: I guess the secret wasn't racism during a rally. That

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Speaker 2: You might have seen the Siena College New York Times

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Speaker 3: What I make of at first is I think the

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Speaker 2: Knowing that Kamala Harris has been spending a lot of

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Speaker 7: There is no doubt, no doubt in this instance, many

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Speaker 9: Well, it is the trend of what happens during this

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Speaker 2: Director Johnson, it's good to have you back on Bloomberg

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Speaker 10: Well in Bendi, Your question is if that was a

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Speaker 8: Well, as you allude to Sunday, there obviously were a

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Speaker 11: My own view on this is, Look again, I haven't

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Speaker 8: So that's the messaging we're hearing from one side, Derek.

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Speaker 10: This evening, I would.

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Speaker 9: Only think that the Vice president would speak to all

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Speaker 2: We've only got about thirty seconds left, Sir will Kamala

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Speaker 9: I believe that Americans would turn out to the polls,

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Speaker 2: Appreciate your sharing the new polling info with us. Stay

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Speaker 2: and Genie Shanzano. With one week to go, we'll look

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Speaker 2: ahead at the dueling speeches, the closing arguments, and the

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Speaker 2: stakes at hands in this election as you would expect.

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Speaker 2: Right here on Bloomberg TV and Radio.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Bloomberg Balance of Power podcast. Catch

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Speaker 8: I mean, look here on balance of power at the

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Speaker 8: week ahead until election day on November fifth. As we know,

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Speaker 8: the election already is well underway. Millions, tens of millions

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Speaker 8: of ballots have already been cast in the states that

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Speaker 8: ultimately could decide the outcome of this race. But November

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Speaker 8: fifth is still the important day that at least Donald

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Speaker 8: Trump is watching watching. He said this in Georgia yesterday.

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Speaker 5: We stand on the verge of the four greatest years

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Speaker 5: in American history. With your help, from now until election day,

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Speaker 5: we will restore America's promise and we will.

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Speaker 2: Take back the nation that we love.

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Speaker 5: November fifth will be the most important day in the

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Speaker 5: history of our country, and together we will make America

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Speaker 5: powerful again.

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Speaker 2: Fast forward to today, with seven days to the election,

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Speaker 2: one week out dueling speeches. Right around seven pm Eastern time,

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump will be in Allentown, Pennsylvania. He is expected

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Speaker 2: to be greeted by protesters Puerto Rican voters who are

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Speaker 2: still sore about some of the language that was used.

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Speaker 2: We were just discussing it with Derek Johnson from the

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Speaker 2: NAACP at Madison's Square Garden on Sunday night. Allentown happens

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Speaker 2: to be a majority Latino city where Donald Trump will

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Speaker 2: be landing a bit later on Kamala Harris again on

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Speaker 2: the Ellipse here in Washington, DC, with what appears to

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Speaker 2: be an evolving speech. We're going to talk about this

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Speaker 2: with our signature panel.

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Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 2: Rick Davis and Genie Shanzo are with this Bloomberg Politics contributor.

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Speaker 2: She is political science professor at Iona University. He is

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Speaker 2: partner at Stone Court Capital and Republican strategist. Genie, what

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Speaker 2: do you make of what seems to be the late

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Speaker 2: hour reframing of this address, one that was aimed at

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Speaker 2: calling out Donald Trump as a threat to democracy, to

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Speaker 2: bring people back to those visceral feelings they had on

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Speaker 2: January sixth, now being framed as a speech about optimism.

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Speaker 2: She'll be talking about her to do list and contrasting

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Speaker 2: that with Donald Trump's enemies list. Is that a better tact?

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Speaker 7: You know?

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Speaker 13: I think it is when we think about it in

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Speaker 13: the most basic terms. She has to appear to this

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Speaker 13: four or five percent of undecided voters in seven swing states.

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Speaker 13: So these are people who, for whatever reason, are uncomfortable

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Speaker 13: with Donald Trump, and Sunday gave them a lot more

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Speaker 13: to be uncomfortable with, but are not quite sold on

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Speaker 13: Kamala Harris. So she's got to do exactly what you

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Speaker 13: just said, Joe, which is remind them why they are

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Speaker 13: uncomfortable with Donald Trump and don't want to go back

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Speaker 13: to that, and also give them that permission structure to

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Speaker 13: support her. And I think of it as more than permission.

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Speaker 13: I think of it as reminding ourselves. She's only been

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Speaker 13: at the top of this ticket for about one hundred days,

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Speaker 13: So it's not just giving them permission, but giving them

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Speaker 13: a reason to vote for her, which is that she

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Speaker 13: is competent, she is able, and they can picture her

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Speaker 13: in the White House managing the economy and in a

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Speaker 13: way that makes sense and also protecting their rights and liberties,

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Speaker 13: including the right to choose. So she's got to walk

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Speaker 13: both of those lines for that small sliver that's still

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Speaker 13: undecided and get them out to vote for her, at

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Speaker 13: least some of them.

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Speaker 8: Well, so, Rick, what is your degree of confidence on

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Speaker 8: her ability to do that and to strike the right

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Speaker 8: messaging tone not necessarily all the dark doom gloom threats

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Speaker 8: to democracy fascism, unfitness for office, but to also be

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Speaker 8: a voice of positivity this evening, as it does seem

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Speaker 8: the campaign is trying to spin us forward into saying

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Speaker 8: this will be a different speech than perhaps we thought.

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Speaker 4: Difficult to produce a great contrast ad where you talk

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Speaker 4: positively about your message and negatively about your opponent in

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Speaker 4: the same thirty seconds. She's going to have an hour

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Speaker 4: to do it, and it's still a difficult path to perform.

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Speaker 4: The reality is that I think it's somewhat challenged to

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Speaker 4: to do it in a place that hearkens back such

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Speaker 4: memories as January sixth and overcoming this. The idea that

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Speaker 4: you're going to be there in Washington on the mall,

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Speaker 4: at the site where Donald Trump launched an insurrection against

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Speaker 4: the democracy and attack the capital and then not make

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Speaker 4: that about the speech actually doesn't make any sense to me.

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Speaker 4: If you want to talk about your plans going forward,

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Speaker 4: what you're going to do on day one, how you're

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Speaker 4: going to improve the lives of Americans, who sixty four

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Speaker 4: percent of which say the country is on the wrong

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Speaker 4: track during her administration, then why would you do it

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Speaker 4: in a place that actually isn't going to appeal physically

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Speaker 4: to that same message. Why don't you go to a

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Speaker 4: state that has actually been reeling from economic downturn that's

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Speaker 4: occurred in your administration and talk about how you're different

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Speaker 4: than this administration. I mean, it just doesn't really make

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Speaker 4: much sense to me.

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Speaker 2: But it's a tough task.

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Speaker 4: And all Donald Trump's got to do in Allentown after

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Speaker 4: dodging the Puerto Rican protesters is to say they broke it.

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Speaker 2: You all agree with that.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to fix it, and I fix it in

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Speaker 4: twenty sixteen, and I'll do it again in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 4: So he's got a much easier closed task and he

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Speaker 4: couldn't even get that right, you know, at Madison Square

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Speaker 4: Garden on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Wow. I wonder if this helps to justify the choice

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Speaker 2: of venue for Kamala Harris this evening Genie. It's pulling

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Speaker 2: from Siena College, and a carryover number that we got

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Speaker 2: out of The New York Times Today jumped off the page.

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Speaker 2: Nearly half of all likely voters forty six percent said

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump was acting within bounds when he tried to

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Speaker 2: overturn the results of the twenty twenty election. That is

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Speaker 2: an increase from the thirty nine percent of voters who

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Speaker 2: said the same in July of twenty twenty two. The

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Speaker 2: normalizing of January sixth, Is that enough reason for her

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Speaker 2: to be there?

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Speaker 11: You know?

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Speaker 13: I think that's part of it. I also think the

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Speaker 13: campaign feels that they want to put before voters a

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Speaker 13: reminder of visual reminder, if you will, choosing this venue,

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Speaker 13: of the seriousness of what they have to do when

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Speaker 13: they go in the voting boot those who still have

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Speaker 13: to vote, And this is a helpful reminder of that.

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Speaker 13: And I would also just note Donald Trump was in

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Speaker 13: mar A Lago today giving a pre buddle to Kamala

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Speaker 13: Harris's speech tonight. And what did he say? He said,

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Speaker 13: Madison Square Garden was beautiful. It was full of love,

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Speaker 13: far from the apology some people are expecting. And it's

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Speaker 13: a reminder again of January sixth, a day when people

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Speaker 13: were attacked, including police officers who eventually died, including people

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Speaker 13: in the protest. Another day he described as a day

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Speaker 13: of love. So it's not just Kamala Harris reminding people

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Speaker 13: of this, it is Donald Trump himself. He is doing

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Speaker 13: himself and his campaign a disservice by not focusing on

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Speaker 13: what his ads are focusing on, quite frankly, which are

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Speaker 13: these policies that people are not happy about. His undisciplined

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Speaker 13: nature is getting to caught up with him, essentially, and

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Speaker 13: this is a reminder of that as they go to

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Speaker 13: the Ellipse today.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, the love in that room was breathtaking. One quote

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Speaker 8: from Donald Trump's media appearance I will say or speech Rick,

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Speaker 8: because while it was billed as a press conference, he

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Speaker 8: did not in fact take any questions in mar A Lago.

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Speaker 8: But he will be in Pennsylvania this evening at the

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Speaker 8: same time Harris is speaking. Does he need to have

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Speaker 8: a better answer to what happened in Madison Square Garden

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Speaker 8: when he speaks in a heavily Puerto Rican area.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Look, I totally agree with Genie's assessment. This is

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Speaker 4: maybe the worst run presidential campaign in the general election

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Speaker 4: that we've ever seen. We used to applaud their efforts

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Speaker 4: in the primary because they were pretty good at offsetting

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Speaker 4: their opponents, but ever since they merged into the presumptive

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Speaker 4: nominee perspective, Donald Trump and his campaign has done everything

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Speaker 4: humanly possible to stop him from being president. Frankly, I

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Speaker 4: think he's done more damage to his own campaign than

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Speaker 4: the Harris Biden campaigns have done to him. And the

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Speaker 4: reality is it's an easy giveaway. Right he gets up

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Speaker 4: on the speech, he says, anything that happened in mar

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Speaker 4: A Lago that fomented racism or division in our community,

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Speaker 4: I'm opposed to. Now, let me get on with my

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Speaker 4: regular speech. But he doesn't do that, right, I mean,

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Speaker 4: like we've never seen him do that. He called January

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Speaker 4: sixth a day of love recently, so I guess anything

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Speaker 4: that is a negative attack on institutions that we care

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Speaker 4: about and people that are part of our community is

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Speaker 4: an act of love. I don't get it. This should

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Speaker 4: actually be the easiest campaign to win. Biden administration is

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Speaker 4: horribly unpopular. People have not set aside the impact of inflation,

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Speaker 4: and any Republican with a grain of salt should be

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Speaker 4: winning by ten points in this election. The fact that

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Speaker 4: it's this close is a testament to Donald Trump's inability

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Speaker 4: to close the deal and actually act like a mature

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Speaker 2: Well, Donald Trump is referring to something called the soft

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Speaker 2: foul genie. We mentioned this a little bit earlier, speaking yesterday,

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Speaker 2: said sometimes he is a little bit not hard foul,

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Speaker 2: but soft foul to emphasize something about somebody's capabilities or

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Speaker 2: whatever I might be talking about. He does believe that

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Speaker 2: the insult plays a role in political discourse, and that's

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Speaker 2: why he's not going to apologize later.

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Speaker 13: Right, Uh, you know, I guess so. But he's really

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Speaker 13: not reading the room. The reality is is that he

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Speaker 13: you know, he is not a comedian in a comic store.

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Speaker 13: He is running for president of the United States, and

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Speaker 13: that takes a degree of seriousness and discipline that he

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Speaker 13: simply is not exhibiting. And that is what is making

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Speaker 13: even his supporters frustrated. Because if this election is about policy,

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Speaker 13: he has a winning hand. But to Rick's point, he

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Speaker 13: does everything to make it about everything but policy. You know,

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Speaker 13: MSNBC got hit for talking about this rally that he

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Speaker 13: had Sunday and you know, sort of the affinity to

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Speaker 13: Nazi rallies. All he had to do was go into

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Speaker 13: MSG and say I am not a Nazi?

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Speaker 4: Are you know?

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Speaker 13: We are not that? And he did anything, but as

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Speaker 13: did his campaign, which has really gone off the rails

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Speaker 13: at this point, and it is doing him an enormous disservice.

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Speaker 13: And so if he can contain himself for a week.

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Speaker 13: He might have a shot here, but this is getting

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Speaker 13: from bad to worse at this point, and the only

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Speaker 13: thing that can help him is if Kamala Harris can't

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Speaker 13: close this deal tonight and as we go forward.

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Speaker 8: All right, Genie Shanzano and Rick Davis, our signature political panel,

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Speaker 8: thank you both so much for joining us on the

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Speaker 8: Nazi comment. We did hear about that from Donald Trump

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Speaker 8: earlier today saying he is the opposite of a Nazi,

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Speaker 8: and Malania Trump, his wife, in an appearance on Fox,

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Speaker 8: also said her husband is not a Nazi. I guess

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Speaker 8: it raises the question of if you actually have to

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Speaker 8: say that.

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Speaker 2: What that Well, that's a good point. Reminded me of

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Speaker 2: Gary Busey on Celebrity Apprentice one of the first seasons,

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Speaker 2: when he explained that an enemy is a friend in reverse.

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Speaker 2: He was palaced with Donald Trump, Right, if you have

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Speaker 2: to explain that, it does say something about where you are.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, we're going to take a look at where

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Speaker 8: we are in one of the key states that matters

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Speaker 8: coming up next, North Carolina Secretary of State is going

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Speaker 8: to be joining us in just a few minutes here

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Speaker 8: on balance of power. So stay with us for Kaylee Lines.

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Speaker 8: I'm Kaylee Lines. That's Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg TV

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Speaker 2: Eleven thirty seven days to election day, But of course

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Speaker 2: a lot of people have already voted, roughly a third

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Speaker 2: so far. As we watch early voting take place in

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Speaker 2: swing states and others around the country here and as

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Speaker 2: of yesterday, we've had a close eye Kyley on North Carolina,

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Speaker 2: of course, suffered enormous damage from Hurricane Helena, and there

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Speaker 2: were a lot of concerns about ballot access. Some rules

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Speaker 2: had to be changed, whether people would even be paying

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Speaker 2: attention to the election knowing that they had such devastation

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Speaker 2: to deal with. Nearly three million people have voted in

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Speaker 2: North Carolina. It's quite remarkable, more than a third of

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Speaker 2: the state's registered voters. The twenty five counties that FEMA

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Speaker 2: declared as disaster areas in western North Carolina are also

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Speaker 2: holding up at a pretty healthy clip. It seems the

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Speaker 2: state is doing a really good job.

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Speaker 8: Well, and we wanted to speak with someone from the

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Speaker 8: state on this as this is ultimately one of the

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Speaker 8: seven that could decide the electoral College and therefore the

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Speaker 8: outcome of the presidential election. Joining us now on Bloomberg

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Speaker 8: TV in radio as North Carolina's Secretary of State, Elaine Marshall,

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Speaker 8: Madam Secretary, thank you for being here on balance of powers.

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Speaker 8: Joe mentions that we are seeing relatively strong turnout early

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Speaker 8: in some of these areas that were devastated by Hurricane Helene.

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Speaker 8: Are there still problem areas that we should be aware

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Speaker 8: of people who are having difficulty in figuring out how

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Speaker 8: they can vote in this election. Knowing that the deadline

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Speaker 8: for absentee ballots to be requested in North Carolina is today.

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Speaker 12: Well, thank you so much for having me on and

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Speaker 12: thank you very much for your interest in North Carolina. Indeed,

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Speaker 12: Western North Carolina was devastated. There are some things about

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Speaker 12: western North Carolina that are heartbreaking and there are others

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Speaker 12: that are heartwarming. The fact that the voting is not

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Speaker 12: appreciably off in Western North Carolina, considering four years ago.

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Speaker 12: That's very heartwarming. What is heartbreaking is some misinformation about

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Speaker 12: voting and about female relief out there. To update your

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Speaker 12: numbers a little bit more. As of last night, it

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Speaker 12: was over three point one million North Carolinians who had voted.

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Speaker 12: So we are on a very good pathway to have

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Speaker 12: an excellent turnout, and we've got up until Saturday at

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Speaker 12: two o'clock or three o'clock in the afternoon and until

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Speaker 12: everybody can vote, now until the early voting, and then

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Speaker 12: we go to election day. There have been some changes

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Speaker 12: that help improve the access in western North Carolina. The

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Speaker 12: General Assembly did a couple of things. They added some

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Speaker 12: early vote sites in two different counties that were pretty

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Speaker 12: hard hit to make it easier for folks to reach

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Speaker 12: an early vote site. Another thing that they did regards

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Speaker 12: absent tee ballots. Previously, the law was that you had

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Speaker 12: to return your absentee ballot to the county that issued it.

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Speaker 12: They've changed that so that the absentee ballot can be

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Speaker 12: returned to any county in North Carolina and it will

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Speaker 12: be counted. Folks that may have lost their absentee ballot

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Speaker 12: because of the flood washing it away, or it was

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Speaker 12: in the mail and the mail was washed away, they

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Speaker 12: can get a new one. Of course, only one can

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Speaker 12: be voted. If someone attempts to file a second one,

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Speaker 12: that would be a campaign violation. But they're bar coded

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Speaker 12: and so we track ballots. Anybody, whether they're in the

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Speaker 12: disaster area or not, can see that their vote has

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Speaker 12: been counted. I voted the very first day of early voting,

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Speaker 12: and it shows that I have voted and that my

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Speaker 12: ballot was accepted, so it's in there to be read

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Speaker 12: when they start reading the absentee ballots. So we've done

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Speaker 12: several things here in North Carolina to help make it

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Speaker 12: easier for folks. That doesn't mean the roads are great

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Speaker 12: who's possible to come to North Carolina and spend money

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Speaker 12: because so much of western North Carolina is based upon

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Speaker 12: its beauty and its hospitality industry. So please come back

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Speaker 12: soon and be with us.

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Speaker 2: Well, that was quite an update on the ground view

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Speaker 2: in real time, Secretary, You've had a lot of tough

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Speaker 2: stuff thrown at you here, and I wonder what has

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Speaker 2: been the greater challenge for you, the storm damage itself

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Speaker 2: or the miss and disinformation that followed the hurricane that

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Speaker 2: you referred to.

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Speaker 12: Well, pretty hard to balance it out. But this and

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Speaker 12: disinformation is always a threat to democracy, and that is

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Speaker 12: becoming a pattern. Whereas this natural disaster, we hope that

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Speaker 12: we never see anything more like it again to that

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Speaker 12: extent of damage. But mis and disinformation and how it

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Speaker 12: changes people's mind and how people don't really use their

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Speaker 12: good thinking brain to think through some things that they

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Speaker 12: hear about out there is just pretty disturbing. And the

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Speaker 12: fact that some people don't really haven't really studied civics

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Speaker 12: and understand the different branches of government and who can

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Speaker 12: do what. And you know, people can make outrageous statements

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Speaker 12: when certain people have no authority over that particular thing

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Speaker 12: at all. So you've got to look for trusted voices

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Speaker 12: to give reliable, good information, and we hope that people

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Speaker 12: will do a little research to figure out who is

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Speaker 12: a trusted voice.

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Speaker 8: Well, let's talk about one voice and a statement that

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Speaker 8: has been mead. Congressman Andy Harris of North Carolina, a

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Speaker 8: member of the US House of Representatives, has said because

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Speaker 8: of Hurricane Helene, the state legislature should consider awarding all

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Speaker 8: of North Carolina's electoral votes to Donald Trump before the

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Speaker 8: votes are counted. What is your response to that, Madam

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Speaker 8: secretariz me.

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Speaker 12: I hate to be making a correction here, but it

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Speaker 12: has gotten out. Representative Harris is a Maryland representative. He

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Speaker 12: is the head of the Freedom Caucus. He is not

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Speaker 12: a North Carolina representative.

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Speaker 8: You're right, I apologize. Thank you for correcting me.

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Speaker 12: That got twisted. Well, what he is saying, in essence

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Speaker 12: is that because of the disaster that affects about a

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Speaker 12: million a million plus people, that we should disenfranchise the

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Speaker 12: other six and a half million voters in North Carolina. Now,

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Speaker 12: that is an idea who does not have anywhere to go?

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Speaker 12: That's a terrible idea, is very anti democratic. And fortunately

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Speaker 12: Representative Patrick mc henry, who is from the Mountains and

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Speaker 12: was on the higher leadership teams of the Republican leadership

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Speaker 12: in the House, has debunked what this person has said.

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Speaker 12: What is kind of bad about some of the disinformation

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Speaker 12: is that even though our Western leaders who are predominantly

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Speaker 12: Republican have said that these things are not correct, whether

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Speaker 12: it's FEMA other issues, they're not really calling out the

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Speaker 12: voices that have amplified it, such as the presidential and

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Speaker 12: vice presidential candidates on the Republican ticket, and I'm just

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Speaker 12: very sorry that they're harming our people through this disinformation

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Speaker 12: and negligent speaking campaign.

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Speaker 2: We should note that Harris has since then he was

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Speaker 2: having a theoretical conversation. For what it's worth, it doesn't

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Speaker 2: seem that's going to be happening. Secretary. I wonder your

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Speaker 2: thoughts on an important visit to Ashville from Tim Walls

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Speaker 2: and whether Ashville is prepared, whether logistically this might present

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Speaker 2: challenges to voters trying to get to the polls, never

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Speaker 2: mind rebuild from the storm.

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Speaker 12: Well, there's gonna be difficulty getting around Ashville. That's one

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Speaker 12: of the worst hit areas, and it's going to take

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Speaker 12: some time for the state to go back and re

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Speaker 12: stake in county to rebuild the infrastructure. But folks are hardy.

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Speaker 12: The schools in western North Carolina are all open or

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Speaker 12: one last one will be coming on the week of election,

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Speaker 12: so you know we're back to normal. Appalachian State and

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Speaker 12: Western Carolina had football games last weekend, sadly only one

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Speaker 12: of the two one, but you know, life is getting

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Speaker 12: back to normal. Mountain people are incredibly resilient. You have

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Speaker 12: to be to live in the mountains. That's just one

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Speaker 12: of the inevitabilities. It's beautiful, but at times it's harsh.

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Speaker 12: And so I've done economic development work for the state

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Speaker 12: and I have found leaders when I've talked to them

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Speaker 12: about why did you pick North Carolina or the mountains

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Speaker 12: because there's not a lot of flat land in the

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Speaker 12: mountains to build plants on, no work to have agricultural fields.

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Speaker 12: And this one particular company leader told me it was

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Speaker 12: because of the resiliency of the people. Their work ethic

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Speaker 12: was high, they were determined to do a good job,

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Speaker 12: and they did a good job. This is a parts

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Speaker 12: company for electrical switches and things like that. So our

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Speaker 12: reputation for resiliency is well earned. And the people up

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Speaker 12: there are determined they're going to rebuild, and we're determined

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Speaker 12: here in the eastern part of the state and the

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 8: And we certainly wish you and everyone in the state,

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Speaker 8: all those affected, luck with that rebuild as we consider

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Speaker 8: ultimately what we're going to see in North Carolina on

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Speaker 8: a shorter term timeline. On next Tuesday election day, we

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Speaker 8: have a lot of questions about how long it will

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Speaker 8: take to figure out who won that state and a

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Speaker 8: number of other states as well. I know your role

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Speaker 8: is specifically to convene the state electors to a old

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Speaker 8: time certify those results. That will happen weeks after election day.

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Speaker 8: But how long do you think it will be before

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Speaker 8: North Carolina knows who those electoral votes are going to

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Speaker 8: be committed to.

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Speaker 12: Well, it's not going to be that night, I don't think.

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Speaker 12: I don't think we've had any early nights in North

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Speaker 12: Carolina in the last several years. And with more poll

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Speaker 12: watchers who have been approved by the General Assembly, and

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Speaker 12: in my opinion, more gotcha kind of things where there

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Speaker 12: can be errors or negligent negligent errors on the envelope

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Speaker 12: for absentee ballots, there may be some more challenges than

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Speaker 12: we've ever seen to voting. I pray that that's not

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Speaker 12: the case. I hope that I know that democracy will prevail,

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Speaker 12: but that the poll watchers will do what they're supposed

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Speaker 12: to do, which is stay out of the way of

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Speaker 12: the voters, not watching the voting, and not chill voters.

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Speaker 12: Because pole watchers can do that, people feel intimidated if

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Speaker 12: there are more people hanging around inside the voting area,

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Speaker 12: and that's just inevitable. So pole watchers used to have

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Speaker 12: some very strict restrictions about where they could be and

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Speaker 12: how long they could be there and those kind of things,

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Speaker 12: but those have been lifted, and unfortunately, we think that

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Speaker 12: there is training going on in this state to try

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Speaker 12: to pick issues about people and report to the election

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Speaker 12: officials in the effort to challenge certain voters. You know,

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Speaker 12: intimidation of voters should never be a part of the

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Speaker 12: American electorate.

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Speaker 2: Nor should intimidation of election workers. Secretariat has become a

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Speaker 2: pretty dangerous job in some places. Being an election worker

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Speaker 2: is certainly one fraught with risk physically, if not socially,

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Speaker 2: as we experienced following the twenty twenty elections. How's morale

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Speaker 2: on your team.

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Speaker 12: Well, it's not really my team, since it's a state

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Speaker 12: Board of Elections rather than my office, but I do

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Speaker 12: know from anecdotal information that folks are two things. Number One,

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Speaker 12: they're mindful because of what they're hearing in other states happening,

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Speaker 12: and so they're taking special precautions for their own safety.

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Speaker 12: The other is that election workers do it not for

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Speaker 12: the pleasure of sitting there. For twelve hours a day

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Speaker 12: and then more work later, and it's a hard job.

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Speaker 12: They do it because they're dedicated to their fellow citizens

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Speaker 12: and they're dedicated to democracy. So we don't need to

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Speaker 12: do anything to impact that. We need to lift these

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Speaker 12: people up, protect them in all ways that we can,

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Speaker 12: and our Board of Elections has multiple points of security,

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Speaker 12: multiple engagements with the various levels of law enforcement in

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Speaker 12: case that's needed. Hopefully it will not be, but I

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Speaker 12: think the public needs to know that the machines have

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Speaker 12: been certified, they've been calibrated and reevaluated right before this election.

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Speaker 12: They will be reevaluated at the end of the election

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Speaker 12: to make sure that the machines are counting us right.

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Speaker 12: And we have paper here in North Carolina so that

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Speaker 12: we can go back and rebuild the vote if any

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Speaker 12: machine for some reason malfunction. And our machines are not

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Speaker 12: connected to the Internet at all, so that type of interference,

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Speaker 12: that's all a bogus coin.

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Speaker 2: So you have it from the source, North Carolina's Secretary

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Speaker 2: of State, Lane Marshall's secretary, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: being with us here in good luck surviving the next

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Speaker 2: seven days. There's a lot of course that the folks

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Speaker 2: in North Carolina and the other swing states are going

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Speaker 2: to be going through here in preparing to not only

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Speaker 2: count the votes seven days from now, Kayley, but get

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Speaker 2: into the absentee ballots the early voting. As the secretary

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Speaker 2: just made some news here, more than three point one

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Speaker 2: million voters in North Carolina have already had.

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Speaker 8: Their say it's incredible, and of course millions more across

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Speaker 8: some of these other battleground states we're watching, which does

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Speaker 8: raise the questions we look ahead this evening to Donald

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Speaker 8: Trump and Allentown, Pennsylvania, to Kamala Harris here in Washington

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Speaker 8: speaking at the Ellipse so called closing Arguments. It's not

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Speaker 8: a huge group of people that might be open to

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Speaker 8: changing their mind.

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