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Speaker 3: My brother keeps crashing my dates.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like your brother wants something on your date.

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Speaker 3: Basically, my twenty male brother twenty six Mail has never

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Speaker 3: been exactly successful with girls. To be blunt, he's a virgin,

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Speaker 3: he's not had his first kiss or gone on a date.

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Speaker 3: He's kind of a nerdy guy, but I'm like a

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Speaker 3: super nerd too. We both play games, read a lot,

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Speaker 3: and stuff. Main difference between us is that I also

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Speaker 3: have other hobbies like sports and in general talk to

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Speaker 3: girls more freaking dunk on your brother.

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Speaker 2: M I'm just better water and more nerdier.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, yeah, he said my brother's a nerd,

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Speaker 3: I'm a super nerd. Though I don't know if talk

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Speaker 3: to girls more is a symptom or the cause. By

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Speaker 3: Time Separate it. So either way, he kind of strongly

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Speaker 3: resents me for talking to girls. He says that it

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Speaker 3: isn't fair that I shouldn't be able to do that

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Speaker 3: since I'm younger and shorter than him. For some reason,

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Speaker 3: the height is a big thing for him. I'm about

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Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy centimeters and he's about one eighty five.

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Speaker 2: He's six foot and he still can't pull girls ohan.

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Speaker 3: He questions me every time I mention I'm going to

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Speaker 3: go out, and gets kind of strongly pissed off if

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Speaker 3: I tell him I'm going with my girlfriend. He's been

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Speaker 3: doing this since I was I want to say, fourteen,

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Speaker 3: but since I entered this relationship about a year and

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Speaker 3: a half almost two years now, anniversary coming up, he

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Speaker 3: got way worse. I don't live with him anymore, but

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Speaker 3: he still calls a lot and has been getting upset.

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Speaker 3: He used to call me in the middle of the

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Speaker 3: night when he felt bad about his girl issues. He

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Speaker 3: had a habit of saying he felt worthless because of

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Speaker 3: not being able to date girls, and sometimes calling me

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Speaker 3: around four am or so in a borderline panic attack

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Speaker 3: to talk to me about it. I told him to

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Speaker 3: step this because well, it was one thing to do

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Speaker 3: it when I was younger, but now my girlfriend usually

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Speaker 3: sleeps with me, like, even when we don't do anything

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Speaker 3: spicy related, we just like to sleep together because hey,

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Speaker 3: cuddling is awesome. And I'll fight anyone who disagrees. You

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Speaker 3: don't have to fight me. So I don't like my

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Speaker 3: Turn your phone out silent.

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Speaker 2: Also, it's an easy fix, easy fix here right too. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: sounds like you got low confidence, and if you commit

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Speaker 2: yourself to a couple of months at the gym, you

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Speaker 2: will be so so like baffled by how much confidence

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Speaker 2: you're getting because I just sounds like he has no

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like people say, oh, like, oh I'm nerdy,

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Speaker 3: so I can't go girls. No girls love nerdy guys.

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Speaker 2: There's one right there.

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Speaker 3: Yes. The thing is, I think it's when you're like

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Speaker 3: anti social or socially awkward. That's I feel like they

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Speaker 3: equate the two and it's like they're not they're not always.

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Speaker 2: You know, girls like guys. I know a lot about stuff.

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Speaker 3: It's true being competent. It's hot.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking to girls. It's not really a scary thing.

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Speaker 2: Some of them are just people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, people like you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially when they're really beautiful. It might be a

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Speaker 3: And there you go. Recently, he flew over to visit me.

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Speaker 3: I'm at university, and well, I kind of got the

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Speaker 3: than to see me. My girlfriend had a what's then

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Speaker 3: positive impression of him, and I can't even disagree with her.

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Speaker 3: She went into super protective mode and was like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: we're keeping him away from you cause well, his behavior

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Speaker 3: in ways that made them feel uncomfortable and looked down

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Speaker 2: No, he's seems like he's gone down a rabbit hole

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Speaker 2: and is now seeing women as objects, objects, play things

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I think that when you get into that

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Speaker 3: this where they're so scared to talk to women, and

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Speaker 3: they put them on pedestals, and then you start to

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Speaker 3: objectify these women and that's not hate them. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: then you're like, well, these women don't talk to me

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Speaker 3: and they don't realize that I'm a nice guy. And

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Speaker 3: it's like, no, you're not.

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Speaker 2: I'm nice guy.

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Speaker 3: No, you just have nothing to offer. He used to

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Speaker 3: see a therapist but gave up. Parents are of no

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Speaker 3: help in that regard. Major reason I've kind of reached

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Speaker 3: looking down my girlfriend's shirt incident, he started to cry

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Speaker 3: and see that I was being a terrible person because

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Speaker 3: I was turning the first time he saw front airbags

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Speaker 2: Time out, time out. I don't think, I don't wait

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I would punch. This is the.

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Speaker 2: First time in my bloodline I have ever heard this sentence.

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Speaker 2: Any one of my family has ever heard the sentence.

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Speaker 2: You were turning looking at front airbags into a bad experience.

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Speaker 3: You know what kind of he said him. Ohpi's brother

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Speaker 3: said me, looking at your girlfriend's front air bags. You saying, hey,

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Speaker 3: don't look at my girlfriend's front air bags turned it

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Speaker 3: into a bad memory, Why why are you looking? You

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Speaker 3: freaking creep? I hate this man. This guy needs Oh lord,

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Speaker 3: I would I would literally say like, get out of

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Speaker 3: get out of here. Oh my goodness, I'm not exaggerating it.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what he said. After that, I was like, okay,

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Speaker 3: I'm dumb with you good, and didn't talk to him

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Speaker 3: until he left. I spent the whole time with my

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Speaker 3: girlfriend to make sure she was okay with everything. She's

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Speaker 3: okay with me rather hates him, though, which is more

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Speaker 3: than fair. He also complained that I was apparently having

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Speaker 3: more fun with my other friends than with him, and

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Speaker 3: tried to yell at me for it. I literally never

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Speaker 3: want you to have any fun in the rest of

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Speaker 2: You suck.

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Speaker 3: I feel bad for him because there was a time

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Speaker 3: wanting to grow up to be just like him. Now

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Speaker 3: it's like, what happened to you? Man? I idolized you.

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Speaker 3: How did it turn out like this? Where's the big

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Speaker 3: brother who had my back and taught me how to

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Speaker 3: handle problem at school. At the same time, the way

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Speaker 3: he's acting is unacceptable, So I'm at a point where

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Speaker 3: either he needs to seriously change himself or I can't

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Speaker 3: see him again. And there is an update, folks.

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Speaker 2: I'm so lucky you have a brother like my brother.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, me too, Oh man, my brother is great and

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Speaker 3: very respectful. And this is I just can't even imagine

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Speaker 3: someone like your own brother is saying this to you,

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Speaker 3: one about any woman, but two about your own girlfriend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, this is so weird. Yeah, I like, I

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Speaker 2: think I think he's just a not like that. He's

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Speaker 2: put himself in a situation where he's very anti social,

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Speaker 2: won't get out, only relies on video games, that's only waiting, cope,

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Speaker 2: and now he's like turned to this like evil like

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Speaker 2: ah little goblin person that looks down women's shirts and

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Speaker 2: it's a creep.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Gross, gross.

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Speaker 2: This is where we need community, we need yeah dang.

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Speaker 3: And the teacher teacher sons how to be not creeps,

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Speaker 3: teach him how to respect women.

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Speaker 2: There's so many guys like this out there that just

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Speaker 2: there's nothing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like, I don't know, just stop telling you, stop

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Speaker 3: teaching you boys to think that there's this huge delineation

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Speaker 3: an update six months later as an update, I'm twenty

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Speaker 3: I posted. Happened to come home for a week reading

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Speaker 3: this throwaway think you're an update might be good in

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Speaker 3: case anyone was curious. So, unfortunately, I've caught my brother

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Speaker 3: more to avoid issues than anything else. I still occasionally

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Speaker 3: respond to his text, like once every two weeks or so,

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Speaker 3: just that a less dramatic cutting him off is more

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Speaker 3: effective than a we're done talk and avoids many issues.

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Speaker 3: He attempted to get into therapy again after I bargained

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Speaker 3: saying that his therapy visits just made him feel worse. Later,

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Speaker 3: he explained that he felt like the therapist was judging

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and she was trying to make you critically she's.

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Speaker 3: Like, why do you think that women don't like to

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Speaker 2: It's sad because you can be uncomfortable in two ways,

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Speaker 2: like uncomfortable being in your own skin, yeah, or uncomfortable

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Speaker 3: He didn't quite tell me like that, but after filtering

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Speaker 3: through his rants, that's basically what he said. He repeated

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Speaker 3: it was my fault. A lot. From what he said,

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Speaker 3: it sounded like the therapist wasn't doing anything wrong in

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Speaker 3: my opinion, he continued to treat women poorly and well

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Speaker 3: put it this way, he went back to college to

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Speaker 3: just an emotional sponged to women, which he described to

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Speaker 3: me as well just being a friend, things like hanging

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Speaker 3: The way he described it, it sounded like some kind

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Speaker 3: of heck instead of well friendship, because he doesn't know

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Speaker 3: how to be friends with women and he doesn't want that.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't want any sort of friendship with women. So

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Speaker 3: I come home one week parents place tournament was near

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Speaker 3: home rather than university, having just gotten a metal at

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Speaker 3: aforementioned tournament, woo, and with girlfriend and friends from the team,

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Speaker 3: I'm assuming everything your brother has done sounds obnoxious, But

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Speaker 3: I've tried getting him into therapy, but he rejected that

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Speaker 3: Like he's not all there? Opie says. He seems all

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Speaker 3: all I can tell you for sure. What do Opie's

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Speaker 2: Huh. Wild in cells, if you know one, reach out

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Speaker 2: and make it at them out of there, send a purpose.

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Speaker 3: Camp yeah to this story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that would just make it worse for it.

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Speaker 3: Maybe if they hear us ragging on in cells, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Like, Honestly, I feel like theirs, like, if you want

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Speaker 3: Hmmmm. I just they feel very inept and inadequate in

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Speaker 2: It's weird, weird, weird.

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Speaker 3: We get another story, folks. Yay you be, you be,

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Speaker 2: My sister kept ignoring me for her boyfriend.

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Speaker 2: First off, my twenty three females sister, Danielle twenty nine female,

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Speaker 2: The best way to be to hangover is to keep drinking.

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Speaker 3: That's what they say.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: Never had to do that, That's what I've heard.

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Speaker 3: This is me with Sam.

437
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,440
Speaker 2: It's so sweet and nice. Right, Only no, no, First,

438
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,760
Speaker 2: she says her her friends might be going out on

439
00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,480
Speaker 2: Boxing Day, but okay, only for a bit. Then that's

440
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,320
Speaker 2: going all day Christmas Eve. I was disappointed, but figured

441
00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 2: out least we'd had Boxing Day together. Then she gets

442
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,679
Speaker 2: back on the twenty fourth. She's not only drops that

443
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,160
Speaker 2: she's still going out all day on the twenty sixth,

444
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:32,200
Speaker 2: and that's Boxing Day.

445
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 3: The Boxing Day is a day after Christmas, but.

446
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 2: That she's dating a twenty one year old who she

447
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:42,160
Speaker 2: met through work, called a Sheet twenty nine. Ooh, nah,

448
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,119
Speaker 2: it's fine. It's totally fine.

449
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 3: Can be it can be fine?

450
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 2: So is age just everyone.

451
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 3: I'm not a just I just think that you gotta

452
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,680
Speaker 3: be a little bit more careful. When there's when you're

453
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 3: that young and there's an age gap, I think it's

454
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,439
Speaker 3: I think it can work out completely fine. She's got

455
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:00,400
Speaker 3: to keep your eye open.

456
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:01,120
Speaker 2: She's aged.

457
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 3: Just everyone Okay, Well, Riley apparently doesn't care about young people.

458
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:06,880
Speaker 3: He hates them.

459
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,199
Speaker 2: I think young people over the age of eighteen can

460
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:10,880
Speaker 2: make decisions for themselves rightly.

461
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 3: This is like totally opposite of everything we've ever talked about.

462
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,679
Speaker 3: This is completely new thought. And he's doing it just

463
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 3: because he wants to disagree with me. It's literally why

464
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 3: he's doing.

465
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,119
Speaker 2: It, just making a point here.

466
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 3: That you don't even to agree with.

467
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 2: I don't want to open up an age gap debate,

468
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 2: but I do find it gross, not just because of

469
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 2: the sheer age gap, but for a few other reasons.

470
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,160
Speaker 2: One they seem to have bonded by her getting blackout wasted,

471
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 2: constantly working wow still wasted, and finding it cool. Two,

472
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 2: he's the brother of one of her coworkers who they're

473
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,439
Speaker 2: lying to and pertaining. It's just casual. In Three, if

474
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,120
Speaker 2: I ever dated a thirty one year old, she unlive me. Heck,

475
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 2: she regularly mocks me for finding Colin Flurf holl On Firth.

476
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 2: That guy, but somehow this is fine.

477
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 3: We were just talking about him in another episode.

478
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 2: She's just hypocritical of me. I have no idea who

479
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 2: that is. Con For he's the guy that did that

480
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 2: one movie, remember that. I know.

481
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:10,880
Speaker 3: I'm gonna show you a picture of Colin Firth while

482
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 3: you read. Okay, you'll know him. Very British, no need,

483
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 3: this is Colin Firth.

484
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 2: Also, he seems to be paying for everything. He even

485
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,479
Speaker 2: got her Christmas presents, and she's done nothing in return.

486
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 3: That guy, Yes, it's con For.

487
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 2: He was in that movie.

488
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 3: He was in Bridget Jones. Yes, you do know him.

489
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 2: Oh that is the most British man ever.

490
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 3: He's a very British man.

491
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 2: Yep, that's uh that You look up British man and

492
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 2: that's him. Him and you grant rap us out of

493
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 2: each other. Oh man, she didn't get him and any

494
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 2: gives some return. Again, if I had a partner or

495
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 2: treat me like that, she'd be incredibly angry. But anyway,

496
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 2: she gets back on the twenty six, tries to talk

497
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 2: to me about how they kissed and today she goes

498
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 2: to work, comes back ill and announces she has half

499
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 2: an hour to get ready because they're going out this evening,

500
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 2: and she was surprised when I didn't want to hug her.

501
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 2: I don't mind her dating. Frankly, it would be weird

502
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 2: if I did. I do mind how she's basically ignored

503
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 2: me and our entire family and her other friends for

504
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 2: this boy. I mean, she's clearly ill, could be the VID,

505
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 2: but she's still going out, which this behavior she'd critique

506
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 2: in anyone else. When she worked retail, she hated anyone

507
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 2: who went out on the twenty fourth or twenty sixth,

508
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 2: as they were the reasons she had to work and

509
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 2: not be with us. But it's okay for her to

510
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 2: go out on those days. I'm sorry for the long ramble.

511
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 2: I don't even know if anyone will read this, or

512
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 2: if I'm in the right to be upset with her

513
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 2: at all. It's like I don't know her anymore. Before this,

514
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,719
Speaker 2: I would have said she was more than my sister.

515
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 2: She was my best friend and parental figure who I

516
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 2: admired more than anyone else. Literally, as I was typing this,

517
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 2: she came to inform me that she'd be out tomorrow

518
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 2: and Friday as well, but i'd have the chance to

519
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 2: spend time with her on Thursday. If he didn't ask

520
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 2: her out again, what do I do? I suffer from

521
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: anxiety depression and I don't know. I've tried asking her

522
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: to stay home more, but she just says she has

523
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 2: someone else now, so I need to learn to share,

524
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 2: which felt dismissive. I want her to be happy, but

525
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 2: I just miss her, and I just I don't know

526
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 2: how to respond to her new behavior. I don't know.

527
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 2: Any help would be appreciative. We have an update, Sophia.

528
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts about her new behavior?

529
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 3: Okay, well, it's definitely weird. She's going out when she's sick.

530
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,479
Speaker 3: It feels like she's doing a lot of things.

531
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 2: Of course you bring that up first.

532
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean, well, if that's something that she

533
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 3: would critique in others and saying like, oh, I can't

534
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 3: believe people would go out when they're sick and try

535
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 3: and like get other people sick, if like that's something

536
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 3: that she cares about. If something else she cares about

537
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 3: is OPE dating older men, and that's something that she's critiqued,

538
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 3: and I like it feels very conflicting to her or

539
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 3: contradictory to her behavior that Ope's witnessed before. And then

540
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 3: also I think it's I think it's totally fair that

541
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 3: you want to hang out with your sister over a

542
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 3: hauliday and we're expecting that and then don't get a

543
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 3: hang out with her at all. So I do think

544
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 3: that she is reacting or is acting really differently, And

545
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 3: I think that you can bring that up and say, hey, like,

546
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 3: i've noticed you know, like you're behaving a little bit

547
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 3: differently than i've you know, grown to like who I

548
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 3: have grown to know you as the person that I

549
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 3: have this view of, and I just want to talk

550
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 3: about it and make sure you're feeling okay, and also

551
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 3: tell you that I miss you and I want to

552
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 3: hang out with you.

553
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: And it's weird that she seemed to get black out

554
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 2: drunk all the time, but now she's doing that going

555
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: to work three hours later.

556
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 3: That's what I'm thinking. I'm like, what's going on in

557
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 3: her life? Yeah, that's caused this change, Because I think

558
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 3: you can get curious first. Don't come to it with

559
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 3: like a judgment like this is weird, You're weird, but

560
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 3: come to it with like I miss you and I

561
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 3: love you, and I'm worried about you.

562
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have an update. Hi, So it's been a while.

563
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: I completely forgot about the original post till now, and

564
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,719
Speaker 2: I figured, well, I like reading updates, so I might

565
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 2: as well give one for this. The original post didn't

566
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: get much attention, but the responses I got helped me

567
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 2: a lot, and I relied on that advice a lot

568
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: last year. So what's happened since? Well after Christmas, I

569
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 2: followed everyone's advice and did my own thing, try to

570
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: make new friends. It went horribly like it was bad

571
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 2: and my sister. My sister would say that she's there

572
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: for me, but she never actually would be home. She's

573
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 2: been out drinking or sleeping at her boyfriend's parents' house,

574
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: or partying, et cetera. And it hasn't stopped to this day.

575
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 2: Around three or four months after Christmas. Being vague for reasons,

576
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 2: it was our mother's fiftieth birthday. Danielle promised to take

577
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 2: care of it and went a wall on the day off.

578
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 3: Hand without official leave is what it stands for. I

579
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 3: didn't know what it standing for us. It was an acronym.

580
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 2: She went absent without official leave on the day off.

581
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: I had to handle everything with my distraught mother. Our

582
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 2: extended family was going what the f and trying to

583
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 2: get into contact with my sister, who could have been

584
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 2: passed away in a ditch for all knew. Luckily, she

585
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: actually just got so hammered the night before that she forgot.

586
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 2: She woke up at three pm to miss calls, text

587
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 2: and rocked up at home or she was still living

588
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 2: at the time, still wasted. She hadn't wrapped any of

589
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 2: my mom's gifts or written her card, despite repeatedly telling

590
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 2: me not to worry about it. She refused to accept

591
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: any blame or guilt over her behavior, and I had

592
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: to fix everything. Mom and the rest of the family

593
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 2: haven't forgiven her till this day. I haven't either. I

594
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 2: get dreading family events, but showing up wasted at three

595
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: o'clock in the afternoon for an event you volunteered to

596
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: organize and saying it's okay because it's just family. It's

597
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: not nice. Like She's still living at home at that time.

598
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 2: But a few weeks later she announced that she was

599
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 2: moving in with her boyfriend's parents for independence. I helped

600
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 2: her pack first. I felt awful, but never lived apart

601
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: from her, And then she moved out and the whole

602
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 2: house has never been Betterdang, I.

603
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 3: Really am worried about this girl, though, really worried about her.

604
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 3: What's going on?

605
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 2: She's not Yeah, I cleaned up her old room and

606
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 2: took it for myself. It's bitter. I cleaned up so

607
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 2: many vabes and bottles and mouthly half moldy, half eaten food.

608
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 2: She was clearly unwell. I reckon but fighting it. I

609
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: struggled a bit with the bills, but I'm comfortable now.

610
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 2: We're innovating rooms that my sister always refused us on,

611
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 2: and more recently we adopted a dog. He's the best

612
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: boy ever and brings me his ball when he gets excited.

613
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: My job is going well too. I got a promotion

614
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 2: and my coworkers have really banded around me. Mom is

615
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 2: honestly doing better than ever. She's on the right meds

616
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: and therapy. She hafs up, she owns it and works

617
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: on ensuring it doesn't happen again. My sister got fired

618
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: from her last job, turned up wasted too many times.

619
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 3: She something's going wrong.

620
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: She got a new one more recently with half the hours,

621
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: which she prefers, and I can't exactly blame her for that.

622
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: Working lessons always fun.

623
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 3: I'm so concerned for this girl. I'm genuinely so scared

624
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 3: for her, Like, please look into this because this is

625
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 3: not normal.

626
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: Doesn't sound especially.

627
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 3: If this has been a huge change, like a huge

628
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 3: shift in her life. Like Ope even said it. Yeah,

629
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 3: it seems like she was unwell behinding it. And then

630
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 3: it was like anyway, like whoa what yeah, someone check

631
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 3: in please yeah huh.

632
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 2: She still lives with his parents, but stayed over a

633
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: few times. She's my sister. You know, I'm not turning

634
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 2: my back on her. But outside of that, we don't

635
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: see each other that much. She visits maybe once every

636
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: other month. I'm where this update may come off one sided,

637
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: like Yay, everything's better without her, And it's not that

638
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: it's she hates change. So we could never solve anything

639
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: in the house because she was tired and didn't want

640
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: to coudn't see the point in it. She and mom

641
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 2: would argue constantly, and I hate mom for it. My

642
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: sister was the only person I had and then she left.

643
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 3: She's ketching up in her early twenties that she missed

644
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 3: having to raise Ope, and then Sarah and Simone says

645
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 3: if she was parentified as a kid, she's not rebelling.

646
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 3: It's a normal thing that happens. She will have to

647
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 3: get to the other side of this. Therapy will help.

648
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

649
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 3: I think it's just like the I think that's true.

650
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 3: But I think like when you get to the level

651
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 3: of like moldy food in the room and drinking in

652
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 3: the morning and drinking at work, it's like this is

653
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Speaker 3: a problem.

654
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, seriously, a huge problem. If she has suddenly done

655
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Speaker 2: this conspiracy theory, boyfriend's parents would drink too.

656
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Speaker 3: I think I just think that she's not around good

657
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Speaker 3: influences right now. It's concerning Back to the story. John

658
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Speaker 3: here og host.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get back to these stories, but a quick

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Speaker 1: three minute break from has for more sponsors.

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Speaker 2: I realized I was the only person she.

662
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Speaker 3: You' you're not having the parties like oh this, girls have.

663
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Speaker 2: No drinks, so hope, he continues. I realized I was

664
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: the only person she had because she wanted it that way.

665
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Speaker 2: Me and mom are closer now, No we're arguing or screaming.

666
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Speaker 2: I've reconnected with college friends. My sister insisted I didn't

667
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Speaker 2: need I eat healthier exercise, so yeah, I don't know.

668
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: Life is way better now for us. I hope it

669
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 2: is for her too, but I also hope she never

670
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,959
Speaker 2: comes back as much as I miss her and our

671
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: idiotic jokes. I don't think she was a very good sister.

672
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: Thanks again. That's such a sad realization to have.

673
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Speaker 3: But I also think she's just like changed a lot. Yeah,

674
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 3: I think she's gone through This is really sad. I

675
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 3: want them to like hash it down, come back to

676
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 3: each other later when she's you know, turned her life

677
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 3: around or something. Yeah, ouch ouch ouch ouch.

678
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: She definitely needs good influences in her life. Oh yikes.

679
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: But there, guys, at the end of that story, we

680
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: got another one coming right up. I'm gonna get this

681
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Speaker 2: lined up for everyone.

682
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 3: My sister wanted our other sister to be her surrogate.

683
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: I just think her genes are better than yours.

684
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Speaker 3: I twenty eight female, am stuck in a tough situation

685
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 3: between my two sisters, Surely thirty female and Mary twenty

686
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 3: two female. Surely's always been the bossy, big sister, and

687
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 3: Mary's the sweet, passive one who will do anything to

688
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 3: keep the peace. This dynamic has been our norm for

689
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Speaker 3: as long as I can remember. By the way, this

690
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 3: comes from Farhadgehog eighteen eighty seven, and if you want

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Speaker 3: to submit your own stories, go to the r slash

692
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Speaker 3: Okay story time severed it So Sureley and her husband

693
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 3: have tried to have children for two years now, but

694
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: the three pregnancies she had during this time were terminated

695
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 3: before the eleventh week. They have been devastated, which I

696
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 3: genuinely feel for the problem is that Shirley latched onto

697
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: the idea of Mary carrying the baby fur Mary's set

698
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: to graduate from college in four months and the plan

699
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 3: is to start the process immediately after. Mary says she's

700
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 3: okay with it, but she's always just looking sad about

701
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 3: the things she'll miss, like partying or her favorite foods,

702
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 3: and surely will have her move in to make sure

703
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: she's following a specific pregnancy diet, or she seems anxious

704
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: about the process itself.

705
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: Few things one which one's Shirrelely or Mary.

706
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 3: So Shirley is the was a passive one, the passive one,

707
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 3: so Mary is the younger sister. Shirley's like the bossy one.

708
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: Is Mary gonna be you know, getting paid for this?

709
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 2: Because that's that's.

710
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 3: A big yeah, paid for Like who's driving into the

711
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: doctor's appointment, So you know it's a big commitment to

712
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: carry a baby.

713
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's what I need to know here. And

714
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: it looks like she's just trying to get a free

715
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: surrogate and boss someone around. If someone's okay with being

716
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: a surrogate, this will sound like an exciting yes.

717
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. When we've talked about it, she said things like

718
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 3: Shirley's stent a lot for me, this is the least

719
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 3: I can do for her, or she's really counting on me.

720
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Speaker 3: I don't want to let her down. Girl, you don't

721
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 3: have to do this. She keeps brushing off her own doubts,

722
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 3: and it's so obvious to me that she's only agreeing

723
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: because Shirley's guilt tripping her. Oh Mary seems to also

724
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 3: be mourning her body. Girl, she's twenty two.

725
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: She's twenty two, bikes.

726
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 3: And like obviously a lot of people have like kids

727
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 3: at twenty two. She doesn't want to have a kid.

728
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: Her sister's asking her to have someone else's child at

729
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Speaker 3: twenty two. Weird doing a lot of body in the mirror.

730
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 3: And once she laughed anxiously going when once she laughed

731
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 3: anxiously joking about how it's all gonna go, girl. I

732
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 3: think partly because yeah, it will change a lot, but

733
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 3: also because Surely keeps making comments about how Mary, you

734
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 3: won't be cute and skinny anymore. Girl. Oh my god?

735
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 2: What what?

736
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 3: These comments make me furious? But every time I push back,

737
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 3: Sureley dismisses me, saying she's just telling the truth. And

738
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 3: I understand sacrifice for family. I'm gonna sacrifice your feace.

739
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 3: I'm worried because Mary has always looked up to Shirley

740
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 3: to the point of idolization. I think she's afraid of

741
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 3: saying no because she doesn't want to disappoint her and

742
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 3: because of the absolute heck she'd make. But I can

743
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 3: see how uncomfortable she is when the whole surrogacy thing

744
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 3: comes up. She also keeps looking at pregnancy complications and

745
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 3: birth videos, and I can see she's so anxious about

746
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 3: the whole thing. I don't want to overstep or make

747
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 3: things worse, but I also can't just sit back and

748
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 3: watch Mary's sacrifice her body and mental health for something

749
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 3: she doesn't want. I've tried to talking to her about

750
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 3: whether this is what she truly wants, but she just

751
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 3: deflects and says, Shirley's been through a lot and deserves this.

752
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: No, no, no, she's making out like she's been through

753
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 2: a lot.

754
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 3: She needs not deserve your body. No one deserves your body,

755
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 3: so it's not a right to it.

756
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 2: She's not an incubator.

757
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 3: No, exactly, she's treating you. She's treating Mary like she is.

758
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 3: I don't care if she saved your life. There is

759
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 3: no There is no reason that you owe her your body, Mary.

760
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 2: What if she saved your life like here me out

761
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: saved you five times? Nope, And Shirley's really nice, Nope.

762
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 2: And this service is only a month.

763
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 3: There's nothing that would guarantee anyone a right to or

764
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 3: give anyone a right to your body.

765
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 2: I'm saying a different scenario, there might be. You know,

766
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 2: this one's a little hard to look at.

767
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 3: This is nothing. How do I get more involved? How

768
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 3: do I approach Mary without making her feel more pressured?

769
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 3: How do I help her see that it's okay to

770
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 3: say no if she doesn't want this with going to Shirley,

771
00:35:58,680 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 3: help with anything?

772
00:35:59,719 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 2: Ed it?

773
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 3: Those asking about official clinics, they didn't go to a

774
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 3: clinic with Mary specifically yet. But I'm afraid that won't

775
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 3: be enough to get her an easy out. They had

776
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 3: to have some treatments and exams where from what I understood,

777
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 3: only about twenty percent of Shirley's eggs were good for use.

778
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 3: They've had talks about how if the pregnancy has risks

779
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 3: because of her eggs, she's open to having a kid

780
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 3: not of her own. As she puts it, that's one

781
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 3: of the reasons why she wants Mary because if she

782
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 3: needs the eggs, it's the closest DNA she has to

783
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 3: her own. So she also wants to take Mary's eggs.

784
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 3: So when they find out a clinic won't do it,

785
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 3: I think we'll just spend a few months getting used

786
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 3: to the idea of doing it, DIY, and then do it. Huh.

787
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 3: Are you just gonna make your small, poor sweet sister

788
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 3: spicy sleep with her your husband? What? There is an update?

789
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: But dude, this is wild. This is so wild on

790
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 2: so many different levels.

791
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 3: Oh, he needs to talk to Mary.

792
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: This woman, Okay, okay, okay, If she's going to bring

793
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: a child into the world like this, I don't think

794
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: she should be a mother or parent.

795
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: No, I agree, I'm sorry. She keeps saying, Oh, I

796
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 3: deserve you know. Like everyone keeps saying, oh, I deserve that.

797
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 3: She deserves that. She's gone like, how is such a

798
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 3: tough life? No one deserves a child, Yep, child deserves

799
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 3: a good parent. On a real note, I don't think

800
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 3: she's gonna be a good parent.

801
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 2: If I saw this as a sister. What I'm doing

802
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: is calling any clinic within one hundred and fifty one thousand.

803
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 3: Miles saying this girl does not want to be pregnantles

804
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 3: and be like, hey, this is what it is.

805
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: She's basically being forced into it.

806
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

807
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple of police, get the police involved something,

808
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: I don't care. I'm not gonna let Shirley, I mean,

809
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 2: Mary go through this because of Shirley's passive aggressiveness. Yeah,

810
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 2: that's what I'm going to be doing. Turkey Baster, Okay,

811
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: Billy Tom, you're wild for that one. Holy Coal girl.

812
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're saying the DIY, I.

813
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 2: Don't like Shirley really wants again. You can adopt one.

814
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 3: Literally, like she's so upset, she's very obviously very obsessed

815
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 3: with like DNA and being biologically your kid. But come on,

816
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 3: I think you need to sit down Mary and say like, hey,

817
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 3: I know that you think that you owe it to

818
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 3: Surely you don't. And if you have any doubts about

819
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 3: this at all, don't go through with it. And then

820
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 3: and then lay out like she's been looking it up,

821
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 3: lay out say there can be complications and you can

822
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 3: lose your life. Yep, you can have a c section,

823
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: you can have a scar on your body forever, like

824
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 3: there are so many complications that go into pregnancy. It

825
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 3: is not for the faint of heart, is not for

826
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 3: people that are unsure, and it's not for anyone else

827
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 3: to make a decision about.

828
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: Also, more importantly, you're doing it for free.

829
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 3: You're doing it for free.

830
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 2: That's not the more importantly for.

831
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 3: It is an important part. You're doing it for free.

832
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: The most important part is you know, risking your own life.

833
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 2: But people get paid like anywhere. You think the grand

834
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 2: to two hundred thousand dollars to do this. So think

835
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 2: about that, and I bet you, you know what, I

836
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: bet you every pity in my bank account that surely

837
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: gonna make Mary drive it to the hospital by herself,

838
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 2: and make her go to the make her do her

839
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,240
Speaker 2: doing all by herself, and then forcing her to eat

840
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: all the foods that she wants you're not gonna be

841
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: able to eat at double bacon cheeseburger from Burger King

842
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: you want because your sister wants you to eat the

843
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 2: carrots in the fridge for her.

844
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 3: Yep, and there's an update, folks, how the timeline of

845
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 3: events happen. Surely's and laws are kind of rich and

846
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 3: have this obsession about their firstborn and only son having

847
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 3: his air ew I hate them.

848
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 2: You wait, that's a right I have on Spot before

849
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 2: we get into this update.

850
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 3: Yes, can we back up? Yeah?

851
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 2: Everyone look at Angie and we're all gonna say, wake up, Angie.

852
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 3: I'm fine, she's awake.

853
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: I literally looked at me like this, I'm so tired.

854
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 3: I don't know why. Sitting here and just pressing buttons

855
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 3: is so much more like I'm you're not having to

856
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 3: be on I'm not doing anything. And then you know,

857
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 3: it probably looks as bad because I just have the

858
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 3: like red eyes and I didn't like put eyelighter on,

859
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 3: so it probably looks like I'm dying.

860
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, wow, sorry, I just wanted to get to

861
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: so that before we get into it. Also, your shirt

862
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: is popping on the screen, which is crazy.

863
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: I know it looks great, Shirley's kind of scared of

864
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 3: her mother in law and is really feeling the pressure.

865
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 3: I don't care. Shirley and her husband tried for two

866
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 3: years to have a baby naturally. After miscarriage number three,

867
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 3: they went to a clinic, not to try anything yet,

868
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 3: just to know what's wrong. From what I understood, the

869
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 3: clinic said only a few of Shirley's eggs were good

870
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 3: and that her husband should be healthier so he can

871
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 3: have better baby. Juice surely has the idea of having

872
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 3: Mary as a surrogate. This is only an idea, not

873
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 3: discussed with clinics or anything. Mary agrees and it becomes

874
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 3: official that she will carry their baby. When the possibility

875
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 3: of Shirley's good eggs still not being good enough was

876
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 3: brought up, and the idea was to do it and

877
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 3: if Mary has a miscarriage, then they'll use Mary's eggs.

878
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 3: If Mary, wow, I'm sorry they have a learly mentioned

879
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and if Mary hasn't a miscarriage.

880
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 2: Whatever, whatever, we'll just use use her eggs because mine

881
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 2: aren't any good anymore.

882
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Are they implying that if Mary has a miscarriage,

883
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 3: they'll just make her do it?

884
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 2: Again, that is crazy.

885
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 3: This is why, which is why I said that when

886
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 3: they found out that the clinics would not allow Mary

887
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 3: to be a surrogate, that they would probably do it

888
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 3: homemade because the only reason I can think of why

889
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 3: they wouldn't do it DIY would be because they want

890
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 3: Shirley's eggs. But since I learned they were open to

891
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 3: Mary's eggs, then yeah, they'd see no problem going DIY.

892
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 3: What exactly do they mean by that? So at the

893
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 3: time of me writing the post, the plan was going

894
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: to a clinic doing IVF with Shirley's eggs and putting

895
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 3: into Mary. And if that didn't work, which everyone seemed

896
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 3: to be thinking, is what would happen doing IVF with Mary?

897
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 3: So after I posted, I did a few things that

898
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: were suggested in the comments. Firstly, I showed Mary this

899
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 3: post and the comments. She only read about a handful

900
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 3: of them, and then she threw up. She does that

901
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 3: quite frequently under stress. Girl don't have a baby, and

902
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 3: didn't want to keep going ooh good, dude, op good.

903
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 3: You need to scare her out of this.

904
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 2: You have yeah, saved your sisters six.

905
00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 3: Seven eight says they are treating her like a pea

906
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 3: of meat. This is disgusting. Yes, Jillie Bean the turtle says,

907
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 3: it's giving handmaid sale one hundred percent. One hundred percent.

908
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 3: They're treating Mary like a handmaid. It's disgusting this way,

909
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 3: I convinced her to go to a doctor friend of

910
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 3: mine and had them explain the whole process to her,

911
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 3: how that would change her body, how she might pass

912
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 3: away the bonding hormones she'd after the baby front airbag

913
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 3: feeding really freaked her out, et cetera. Then we explained

914
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 3: the situation and asked them for a letter stating that

915
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 3: Mary was not suitable for pregnancy. Then I went to

916
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 3: have a conversation with Shirley. Shirley has really surprised me

917
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 3: with this whole situation. Since the beginning, I thought she'd

918
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 3: definitely argue with it and demand to go to said

919
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: doctor and want to know what exams were made and

920
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: take Mary to a different doctor. But now she just

921
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 3: started crying. Her mother in law is really the only

922
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 3: person who surely is not the one in control with

923
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 3: and it's really weird to me how much this whole

924
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 3: thing is stressing her out. Then I started my presentation,

925
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 3: my literal slideshow presentation, and I did what another person

926
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: had suggested, which was you Shirley's insecurities against her.

927
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: You know, this might not be the healthy way, but

928
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 2: I'm for it because you gotta. You gotta look out

929
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 2: for your sister. You gotta look out for Mary.

930
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 3: You gotta look out for Mary, because no one else's

931
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 3: I told her about how if it was Mary's eggs

932
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 3: and Mary carried it, the whole family would see it

933
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 3: as Mary's kid. It also helped that Mary told me

934
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 3: that in the dinner where the plan was to announce

935
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 3: to his parents, his mother said something along the lines

936
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 3: of her kid. Oh what a pretty girl, those pretty eyes.

937
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 3: You know, there are evils that come for good. So

938
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 3: she's admitting that this is all an evil thing to

939
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 3: make her have this child. Yeah, yeah, well the mother,

940
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 3: the mother in laws. Yeah. I told Shirley we could

941
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 3: ivf Mary's egg and put it in her, and that

942
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 3: we could even keep it a secret that it was Mary's.

943
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 3: She seemed to like the idea, but was insecure with

944
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 3: what would happen if that also didn't work out, because

945
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: again we don't really know if her uterus isn't also

946
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 3: part of the problem. I don't know if is op

947
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 3: like like trying to trigger or something. She's like, well,

948
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 3: we could keep it a secret. I think she's leading

949
00:43:58,920 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 3: up to insecurities.

950
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: I quick, okay, story Tom. I don't know why. I

951
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 2: had this conversation with my cars with the liaison one day.

952
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: She just kind of wanted to check on me, and

953
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: I had a really good conversation with her. Honestly in

954
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: a way kind of change in my life. She's just

955
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 2: checking on me. Anyways, she was talking about how her

956
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 2: son was with this one chick she did not like,

957
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: and she kind of knew if someone wasn't really into her,

958
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: So what she did was like, oh my gosh, I

959
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: love that girl so much. I can't wait for you

960
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: guys to get married and to have kids. Oh you

961
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: guys are such a good couple. Really went on with it,

962
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: and then he started realizing like, oh, I don't want that.

963
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 2: I don't really want to do that. Might be a

964
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 2: strategy that Opie's pulling.

965
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 3: I think maybe because it seems like a piece not

966
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 3: for these plays.

967
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, but oh you can just but

968
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: here's the thing. Yeah, if Sureley decided to do that

969
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: and use Mary's eggs and the IVF. Guess who's gonna

970
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 2: know about it?

971
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, o P.

972
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: And then guess who's gonna have the blackmail on it?

973
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: And that's what. The whole thing that bothering Shirley in

974
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: this whole thing is that she doesn't have control over

975
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 2: the mother in law. So if Opie finds a plan

976
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: that Shirley didn't think of, that's gonna bother Shirley so much.

977
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: So that's why she's kind of thinking herself out of it.

978
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 2: So what Opie's doing right now, I was thinking of

979
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: every single possibility playing chess, trying to get her to

980
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 2: not do this, which is brilliant work on Opie's part.

981
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 3: I told her that we could then put her good

982
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 3: eggs or Mary's eggs into a different surrogate. She was

983
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 3: against the idea at the beginning because she's a control

984
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 3: freak and she knows no one else would put up

985
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 3: with her crazy rules besides Mary, and also mainly because

986
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 3: she kind of sees Mary as her own slash, an

987
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 3: extension of herself. I think she's not. She is her

988
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 3: own autonomous person, Shelley. So Mary being pregnant almost feels

989
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 3: like herself being pregnant. Ikey, ikey, I hate this woman.

990
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 3: So then I started talking about having Mary in her home,

991
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 3: how for the first five months she wouldn't even look pregnant,

992
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 3: so it just be hot, pretty naive Mary walking around

993
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 3: her home and pajamas and making breakfast for her husband,

994
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 3: and how in every family event, in doctor's appointment, the

995
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 3: attention would be all on Mary, which of course would

996
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 3: be different with another surrogate because Mary is cute and

997
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 3: lovable and doesn't mother in law already seem to.

998
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: Like Mary Moore hotly?

999
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 3: Ok, he's playing chess, And I repeated that again. If

1000
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 3: she or another person got pregnant, no one would have

1001
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 3: to know that it's Mary's. But everyone would know if

1002
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 3: Mary carried it because everyone knows that no clinic would

1003
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 3: allow that, so it'd be obvious that they did DIY

1004
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 3: and surely finally accepted it.

1005
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,600
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1006
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,200
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1007
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1008
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 2: Opie is freaking playing chess, So I always say, don't

1009
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: reason with the fool. Yeah, but in this case you

1010
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 2: kind of have to, and you have to.

1011
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 3: We gotta do it smart, good, I think, Ope, did

1012
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 3: it real smart? This is kind of carate on her insecurities,

1013
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 3: and that was really smart. So I say you have

1014
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 3: to like only reason with her insecurities or like use

1015
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 3: her insecurities against her, and that she is not just

1016
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 3: a good person, but she's this is a person, so

1017
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 3: you gotta use what you got.

1018
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 2: Poor Mary's gonna do whatever Shirley want.

1019
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 3: It's still the whole thing of using Mary's eggs even

1020
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 3: still not cool, dude.

1021
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 2: It's because surely has an older and more evil version

1022
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: of herself, and it's her mother in law, and this

1023
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 2: is what the mother in law will do to about anyone.

1024
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, mother in law's like I want an air and

1025
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 3: Mary is pretty.

1026
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 2: Because they're sick, rich freaks that probably have fight circles

1027
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: at parties.

1028
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 3: So true, they got a fight club at every party.

1029
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, which slow key, I kind of want to do

1030
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: one with nights you can hire knights to fight for

1031
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: you at parties. I thought about doing it for you.

1032
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 3: Oh that'd be cool.

1033
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: It'd be like a thousand dollars.

1034
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 3: I just want to go to like a I just

1035
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 3: want to go to a joust.

1036
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 2: Okay, we're going to meet it al times.

1037
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 3: Medieval times. Yeah, I would love that.

1038
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 2: Meet.

1039
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 3: Let's do it, Medieval Times. Let's do it. That's finishet.

1040
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 3: Mary was so relieved when we invited her over to

1041
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,720
Speaker 3: tell her. Shirley told her not to look so happy,

1042
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 3: and it made me a bit nauseous to think that

1043
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 3: she may knew Mary wasn't into it. She absolutely knew.

1044
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 3: I doubt Mary was, you know, not incredibly obvious about

1045
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 3: the fact that she didn't want to go through.

1046
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: Oh sister, yes, please, let me do it for you. Yes, please.

1047
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 3: And she wanted to start the exams right away, even

1048
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 3: though she was insistent into only doing it after Coachella before.

1049
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 2: Oh my, I can't, I can't. I can't with these people.

1050
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: I cannot.

1051
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 3: Mary just wants to go to Coachella and be a

1052
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 3: twenty two year old, so I guess she does truly

1053
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 3: want to. She also maybe scared Shirley will change her

1054
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 3: mind and trying to hurry things up. It's only been

1055
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 3: two weeks, so it's a miracle that they even got

1056
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 3: an appointment and one examine each Shirley, Mary and brother

1057
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 3: in law. Still no results, but the current plan is

1058
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 3: putting Mary's egg inside Shirley. Ah I still don't like

1059
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 3: this plan. I still don't like it.

1060
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 2: Guys, you gotta stop. You gotta call doctors, Opie, your

1061
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 2: job's not done yet.

1062
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 3: I've tried to talk to Mary about how she'll feel

1063
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 3: having a kid that's still hers in the world, but

1064
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 3: she seems too relieved to even think too much about it. Girl,

1065
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 3: think about this. She just makes a joke about how

1066
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 3: she's just happy er abs stay in place, and that's it.

1067
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 3: Stop saying yes to think like she thinks that she's

1068
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 3: going to be forced into this. You have a choice, Mary,

1069
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 3: do you? Six seven night says to people. Know how

1070
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 3: invasive an operation getting eggsist. This girl clearly doesn't know anything.

1071
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 3: That's the thing. She is so naive to all of

1072
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 3: these operations and to everything that goes into any of this,

1073
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 3: that like she's just relieved that her sister's not making

1074
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 3: her have a baby, and it's like you need to

1075
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 3: tell her she doesn't owe her sister anything. Thank you

1076
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 3: to everyone who commented, And I really hope I won't

1077
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 3: ever have to use this account again. And folks, that's

1078
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 3: the end of that story.

1079
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: Holy cow, I I don't think your work is done.

1080
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 2: Seen this before. This is a modern day's time of

1081
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 2: the handsmade Stille.

1082
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, it is sick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, discussing. Yeah, like, can we find who these people

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Speaker 2: are and report them to whatever society we can?

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Speaker 3: I think we got a man because this is just

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Speaker 3: so sad and upsetting?

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Speaker 2: Can we?

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Speaker 3: Low key?

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Speaker 2: I just want to find this person's Reddit user name,

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Speaker 2: find their email and connected just like here, we can

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Speaker 2: we can work together. I have a whole team of

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Speaker 2: people that would love to help.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll tell Mary what's what, and we'll tell Shelly

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Speaker 3: what's what, and we'll talk.

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Speaker 2: We need Actually, the rope problem is the mother in law.

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Speaker 3: That's true. Started the source.

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Speaker 2: We go house with this richie rich with bats in hand.

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Speaker 2: Oh dang, and we just have a conversation. We just

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Speaker 2: tap conversation. Why can't Shirley just get an egg donor

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Speaker 2: because it's not her genes?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she talked about like the whole DNA thing and

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Speaker 3: she sees Mary as an extension of herself.

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Speaker 2: It's weird, really weird, really weird and awkward and Mary,

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Speaker 2: you shouldn't have to do this.

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Speaker 3: But that's the end of that story and the end

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Speaker 3: of the episode. So if you love us, make sure

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