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Speaker 1: Welcome to Inside the Draft, a weekly preview of the

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Speaker 1: upcoming NFL Draft with insiders from around the country. All right,

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Speaker 1: here's your two week notice the NFL Draft unfolds, and

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Speaker 1: exactly two weeks as we come to you on this

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Speaker 1: Thursday morning, here on another installment of Inside the Draft

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Speaker 1: and the Colts Audio Network. Thanks for joining everybody. I'm

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Speaker 1: Matt Taylor, and this week we're getting a skinny on

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Speaker 1: the draft with Shane Hallam. He's an NFL draft analyst

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Speaker 1: and the managing partner at the Draft Countdown, and you

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Speaker 1: can follow him on Twitter at Shane P. How Um,

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Speaker 1: it's h A L L A M. Shane. Good to

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Speaker 1: have you on, man. How are you. I'm doing well.

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Speaker 1: I'm just excited. It's this prime time for the draft,

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Speaker 1: and I always love when everyone's turning to draft and

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Speaker 1: talking about it. No question about it. Man. It's we've

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Speaker 1: been doing this since mid February, so I feel like

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Speaker 1: we're we're getting ourselves educated, slowly but surely. Here before

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Speaker 1: we start, how are you consuming the draft on Draft weekend?

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Speaker 1: What does your coverage look like the last weekend of April.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna be live streaming all three days of

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Speaker 1: the draft on Draft Countdown and on our YouTube channel,

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Speaker 1: myself and my other partner Brian Bosarge. So well, you know,

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Speaker 1: we bring in analysis every pick day one, day two,

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Speaker 1: in day three. Sometimes on TV day three they start

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Speaker 1: to not talk about every player. So if that's unhergested

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Speaker 1: in that that's what we'll be doing, I can't wait

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Speaker 1: for it. All. Right, let's begin with the Colts. As

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Speaker 1: you know, Shane, they do not have a first round pick.

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Speaker 1: How challenging does that make it to determine on your

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Speaker 1: end what might fall to them in the second round

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Speaker 1: and then what are the biggest areas they need to

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Speaker 1: address for you heading into this draft. It makes an

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Speaker 1: incredibly difficult as an analyst when the team doesn't have

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Speaker 1: a first round pick to especially because you don't know

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Speaker 1: who's going to be there. You know, sometimes when you

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Speaker 1: get late round one, teams can take players that are

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Speaker 1: start their draft in the second round, then you're almost guessing,

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Speaker 1: So I mean, to me, when I look at the

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Speaker 1: I think that's in a position where if they would

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Speaker 1: I think this is a team that's ready to win

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Speaker 1: pretty good spot to be in if they're looking for

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Speaker 1: a starting offensive tackle. Bernhard Raymond from Central Michigan is

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Speaker 1: a player that I've mocked them a couple of times,

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Speaker 1: And I think there's a couple of different options there,

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Speaker 1: Tyler Smiths and Tulsa as well, but I think it's open.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think what receiver adding more weapons now

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Speaker 1: kind of thinking offense, but I think it's pretty open

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Speaker 1: to see what value is there. Yeah, Matt Ryan in

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Speaker 1: some pretty good success with tight ends in his career. Shane,

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Speaker 1: who are your top tight ends in this draft and

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Speaker 1: where do those guys end up going in terms of,

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Speaker 1: three is Trey McBride from Colorado States by number one.

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Speaker 1: hit kind of late first, early second. I think there

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Speaker 1: How much should they weigh, you know, a young player,

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Speaker 1: this next upcoming draft class. I think it's really important.

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Speaker 1: Penn State's going to be a second rounder. I really

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Speaker 1: a bigger body that can play that edge. And that's

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Speaker 1: you talked about cornerback. Um another cornerback really high Sauce

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Speaker 1: Gardner out of Cincinnati. He tweets last week. I think

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Speaker 1: enough that Shane Hallam, NFL draft analyst and the managing

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at Shane P. Hallum. Shane, what are you

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Speaker 1: on Draft weekend. Absolutely can find me at draftowntown dot

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Speaker 1: I'm writing up some a new mock draft, seven round

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Speaker 1: and continue the good work, Shane. Have a great weekend

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Speaker 1: coming up and we'll be sure to check you out

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Speaker 1: and check out your stuff on Draft weekend. Thanks for

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