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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hello, my friends, Welcome, Welcome to the Holy
Speaker 1: Human Podcast. I am very excited for today's conversation and
Speaker 1: to share this conversation with you all. Daniel Report is
Speaker 1: someone I've been following for a long time, and her
Speaker 1: voice moves me tremendously. I've never had someone moved me
Speaker 1: so deeply with their speaking voice, So there's something energetically
Speaker 1: with her that I'm connected to in that way. She
Speaker 1: instantly makes me cry in the best of ways. But
Speaker 1: I'm always inspired by her vulnerability and her wisdom, and
Speaker 1: I'm so honored that she came on this podcast to
Speaker 1: share a bit of that wisdom with us. She is
Speaker 1: one of Oprah Winfrey's super Soul One Leaders. She's also
Speaker 1: a best selling author of some really incredible books I
Speaker 1: highly recommend, and an incredibly gift and motivator and just
Speaker 1: all around wise woman. She's also a dear friend of
Speaker 1: mine and our guests on today's Holy Humane. Thanks Okay,
Speaker 1: Danielle Looport, thank you so much for coming on the
Speaker 1: Holy Human Podcast. I'm gonna start here. I literally am
Speaker 1: about to cry because, first off, I so appreciate who
Speaker 1: you are and what you bring to the world. But
Speaker 1: every time I hear your voice, this is what happens
Speaker 1: to me. I you move me. There's something about your
Speaker 1: voice that hits my heart in such a way. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's the motherly quality, but it just
Speaker 1: heals me. So thank you. I feel the same way
Speaker 1: about you. I've been listening to you. I've been listening
Speaker 1: to chant for since it came out, and when I
Speaker 1: tune into chant, I feel you're healing process. I just
Speaker 1: feel everything you went through to get to where you are.
Speaker 1: And I mean specifically with throw your arms around the world,
Speaker 1: my arms around the world, you know, like when I
Speaker 1: danced to that, I feel just how how committed you
Speaker 1: are to love and to christ consciousness and um, you know,
Speaker 1: when when that came out, I texted you to say, like,
Speaker 1: it's not my place to be proud of you. It's not,
Speaker 1: it's not my job, but I just feel like it's
Speaker 1: such an arrival. And I was thinking this morning about
Speaker 1: you know, us having this conversation, and I so wish
Speaker 1: we were like on a sofa together. Me too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just curled up. I think the medicine is transparency, Like
Speaker 1: we know, you know, all anybody who has any capacity
Speaker 1: to help other people heal is like you know, all
Speaker 1: healers are wounded healers, and then to be really out
Speaker 1: with like for each person to be out with their
Speaker 1: individual journey just the story, just just everybody's the people
Speaker 1: who can say I'm there too, or I'm approaching that,
Speaker 1: or I'm not alone. Transparency is the way, and it's
Speaker 1: showing up and how you show up. You thank you,
Speaker 1: and I followed your work for a while now and
Speaker 1: probably been one of our biggest influences in being able
Speaker 1: to share the totality of my journey because you know,
Speaker 1: the way that you show up in the world is
Speaker 1: so important. I mean, that's why I titled this podcast,
Speaker 1: you know, Holy Human. It's because God, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know how long you know, I spent being lean rhymes,
Speaker 1: you know, as just this one kind of slice of
Speaker 1: myself and a lot of me wasn't invited to the
Speaker 1: table because the world didn't want that. They wanted this
Speaker 1: one piece of me. And so you know, I've always
Speaker 1: said that you know, my my affair and and everything
Speaker 1: that kind of blew up in my face was probably
Speaker 1: the biggest gift that ever happened to me because it
Speaker 1: allowed me space for my humanity and for all of me.
Speaker 1: And when I found you and your story and your work,
Speaker 1: that is what so resonated, and in fact, I I went,
Speaker 1: I've been listening to White Hot Truth. I've been listening
Speaker 1: to you a lot um this past week. And I
Speaker 1: read the book when it first came out, but I
Speaker 1: reread it this week and I'm like, oh, yeah, everything
Speaker 1: you said was just it hit me different because I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm at a different space in my life
Speaker 1: than when that book first came out. You know, I've
Speaker 1: been on the spiritual path of finding the things that
Speaker 1: work for me and then realizing that those things don't
Speaker 1: work anymore, and coming really after it's been about eight
Speaker 1: years of that journey for me, now coming home to
Speaker 1: my myself and trusting that wisdom that lives within and
Speaker 1: that that probably is it's the scariest part of the
Speaker 1: journey because You're like, wait, I thought I thought it
Speaker 1: was all the other things out there, you know, I
Speaker 1: thought it was, and and those are all beauty, you know,
Speaker 1: the meditations and the prayers and chanting and all of it.
Speaker 1: You know, other healers working with other people like it's
Speaker 1: all all been important, but now coming home to my
Speaker 1: own wisdom is it's it's what I know has to
Speaker 1: happen at this point. And I know you speak about
Speaker 1: that uh so often. And something that you've been talking
Speaker 1: about which has really hit home with me as simplification
Speaker 1: and simplifying life, I mean in every way. And it's also,
Speaker 1: by the way, something that's terrifying for me. And I
Speaker 1: would love to get your take on that in a second.
Speaker 1: But what brought you to this idea of you know,
Speaker 1: of I need to simplify and how has that reached
Speaker 1: out into to every part of your life? Well, I
Speaker 1: feel like last year, you know, spring of when everybody decided,
Speaker 1: so many of us decided like the right thing to
Speaker 1: do is like to shelter in place and just kind
Speaker 1: of ride this wave. I just felt like I I
Speaker 1: looked at my mortality for the first time and and
Speaker 1: I decided like I was going to go all the way,
Speaker 1: Like what if am I willing to die for what
Speaker 1: I believe in? When is life going to take me? Um?
Speaker 1: Does my son really need me? Maybe? You know, if
Speaker 1: I were to die from some illness soon or what's
Speaker 1: happening you know, in terms of world health, is it
Speaker 1: my son's karma to have a mother, you know, to
Speaker 1: be motherless? Like I just went for it, and I
Speaker 1: just brought up all of these urges, like, um, I
Speaker 1: really got the holy human struggle, like I just want
Speaker 1: to shave my head sometimes go to the Ganges. Leave
Speaker 1: it all and like what is that about? What's that about?
Speaker 1: And I did. I just decided like I was gonna
Speaker 1: let it all go. I sold my sports car, I
Speaker 1: got rid of shoes, I got rid of clothes. I decided,
Speaker 1: you know, one of my desires has always been, you know,
Speaker 1: I want a beloved. I want that partnership. And I
Speaker 1: just said to God, Okay, if it's not for me,
Speaker 1: I'll leave it. I'm just going to play with this
Speaker 1: idea of thy will be done, which is terrifying. I
Speaker 1: want I want to talk. I want to talk about
Speaker 1: the terror. And then on the note of the beloved,
Speaker 1: I let that go. I let career aspirations go. I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, maybe I should just sell
Speaker 1: my house and get a little apartment and just meditate.
Speaker 1: I could live off the mind. I could make this
Speaker 1: work for many years. Just have a little herb garden,
Speaker 1: it would be great, right, And everything that I held
Speaker 1: in my heart as an aspiration as willing to give
Speaker 1: up and most of it came back mm hmmm. So
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, now I'm going to have
Speaker 1: the courage to still want this. And then the man
Speaker 1: came and career is just shimmering and lovely, and I'm
Speaker 1: super satisfied. It turns out I didn't die last year.
Speaker 1: I'm still here, congratulations, thanks, But a lot of clinging
Speaker 1: and a lot of striving left. So what I found
Speaker 1: underneath the striving is this is such a perfect time
Speaker 1: to have this conversation because I've just come out of
Speaker 1: like three intense months of agony and suffering, and I
Speaker 1: was thinking about you because some of that agony was
Speaker 1: a real kind of anxiety, which lots of many people
Speaker 1: don't understand until they have that experience. And then I
Speaker 1: had some health stuff that was just a lot of
Speaker 1: physical pain, and I got to the place of like
Speaker 1: what else. I really felt like my soul and spirit
Speaker 1: was saying, like, just go deeper with the letting go,
Speaker 1: just let I was like, what the funk else do
Speaker 1: I need to let go of? And it was the
Speaker 1: fear it was the fear, and I thought, like, this
Speaker 1: is so cheesy, Wayne Dyre, This is really about letting
Speaker 1: go and letting God. And I just am so tired
Speaker 1: of the fear that has, in some way or another,
Speaker 1: really driven a lot of my life. I know it
Speaker 1: doesn't look like that from the outside to so many people.
Speaker 1: Your life doesn't look like that. So most of our lives,
Speaker 1: we play it so well, doesn't look like that. But
Speaker 1: so much of craving is driven by fear. So much
Speaker 1: is driving fear, goals, fear, wanting, fear. And I'm as
Speaker 1: done with it as I can be done with it today,
Speaker 1: And the only way to do it is to just
Speaker 1: first of all, you have to see it before you
Speaker 1: can go of it. You have to see like what
Speaker 1: you're gripping, and see how the effect has had on you,
Speaker 1: let go of all the stories around it, and just
Speaker 1: be like, I'm done. I'm done living this way. I
Speaker 1: want peace. You've got to really want peace more than anything.
Speaker 1: And I think it's the one higher use of devotion
Speaker 1: and desire to want for the right thing, to want
Speaker 1: for the right thing. I think a lot of us
Speaker 1: think we want that, but I don't know necessarily if
Speaker 1: we do, and I wonder if it's for me. I
Speaker 1: do know there's a piece of me that really wants peace. UM.
Speaker 1: But I do also see that there's pieces of me
Speaker 1: that are very much um, addicted to the struggle, um,
Speaker 1: addicted to the loneliness. Uh. Let's come up with all
Speaker 1: the different words for this ego small self, wound, itself,
Speaker 1: the lie, the illusion, the part of ourselves that thinks
Speaker 1: we're separate, separate from our hearts, separate from our soul,
Speaker 1: separate from each other, separate from creation. None of that
Speaker 1: wants peace, none of it because peace would make all
Speaker 1: that dissolve. It wants to live. The ego wants to
Speaker 1: be alive, like the metaphor had been working with lately.
Speaker 1: With the ego is like the egos like a wounded dog.
Speaker 1: I grew up in the country that lots of some
Speaker 1: dogs had to be put down. You know, you can't
Speaker 1: go near a dog that's been wounded. It'll just it
Speaker 1: wants to attack you, very slowly eventually maybe. And that's
Speaker 1: what the ego is like. It's saying, like I don't
Speaker 1: want love, I want separate. I want you to think
Speaker 1: you're small. I want you to struggle the ego. The
Speaker 1: ego thrives on strife, like struggle and separateness is like
Speaker 1: sugar for the ego. And but really, really, really the
Speaker 1: ego wants to come home. It's like that that dogs.
Speaker 1: It really just wants to be healed. But it's just
Speaker 1: barking at us all the time. And you know, in
Speaker 1: my thirties, I used to think peace was like just ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Why would I want peace? It's not exciting, it's not sexy,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna piece, it's not gonna get me what
Speaker 1: I want. It's not very hot. And I'm over it,
Speaker 1: really over it. Well, I think when I mean for me,
Speaker 1: like when I think about peace, I think of the
Speaker 1: monk is sitting in meditation, and it's like, that's that's
Speaker 1: where peace comes from. It's only going to be in
Speaker 1: those places because we can't exist in life, like you're saying,
Speaker 1: with an exciting life, with a fun life, with being
Speaker 1: in peace. And I you, I mean that is like
Speaker 1: that is the one of the greatest lies, you know, truly, um,
Speaker 1: it truly is. And why do you think simplification and
Speaker 1: and the simplicity and the peace, why do you think
Speaker 1: we're so afraid. I mean you said the ego, yes,
Speaker 1: but what maybe hiding underneath there when we're afraid to simplify, Well,
Speaker 1: I think the stuff that's hiding underneath there, it's the
Speaker 1: reason we're afraid to simplify, Like all the stuff. You know.
Speaker 1: Carl Young would say, like, it's all the shadow, it's
Speaker 1: all the subconscious stuff you're going to realize, like I
Speaker 1: would say, like on my journey, I realized, Um, there's
Speaker 1: like this neediness and this clinging nous, and there's greed
Speaker 1: and there's desire, and I have this inner conflict. You know,
Speaker 1: this is the beauty of you know you naming the
Speaker 1: last album Holy Human. What's the chant? What's the subtitle? Oh?
Speaker 1: The Human and the Holy Holy Right, Yes, that's the
Speaker 1: that's been My strong is like should I give it
Speaker 1: all up? Um? You know I'm partner on part horror
Speaker 1: like all of that, like, um, and thank god somebody
Speaker 1: said it. Now. I feel so liberated in this moment
Speaker 1: I've also seen and how do I be both? And
Speaker 1: then you know, and then my psychologists like Danielle that's
Speaker 1: all church, and then all mystics will say, it's all God,
Speaker 1: It's all God. One of the most helpful things lately
Speaker 1: has been this talk that are you familiar with Audio
Speaker 1: Shanti m m okay. So Audio Shanty says that you know,
Speaker 1: in terms of nondualism, we've got it wrong. So just
Speaker 1: like the quick breakdown is like love and hate, holy
Speaker 1: and human shadow and light side right, and we want
Speaker 1: to move to nondualism where it's like it's wholeness, it's
Speaker 1: all in, it's all love. So what what most people
Speaker 1: perceive is that nondualism is like it's just love, it's
Speaker 1: all happiness. We just choose the positive. And his experience
Speaker 1: was so Audio Shaunty for those people who don't know,
Speaker 1: he's just just lovely guy. His real name, I think
Speaker 1: is Steve from California, who's like a Zen practitioner, really young,
Speaker 1: and he had these awakening experiences. He has these high
Speaker 1: experiences where he feels like he is the God source,
Speaker 1: he's nothing, and he's everything all at once. It's beyond words.
Speaker 1: Cannot describe it, okay, and then he comes back to
Speaker 1: being here and you know, there are tables and there's furniture,
Speaker 1: and there's a marriage and there's relationships, and he's like,
Speaker 1: but what's this and His epiphany was that non dualism
Speaker 1: is that we're both not that word the emptiness and
Speaker 1: the fullness. No, you're the emptiness and the fullness. And
Speaker 1: you're human and you're in marriage and you're frustrated and
Speaker 1: there's furniture and you've got to get groceries. And that
Speaker 1: has really helped me lately, Like when I go into
Speaker 1: my existential should I leave it all? Am I holy enough?
Speaker 1: Am I meditating enough? Am I clean enough? And I
Speaker 1: you know, all the spiritual enoughness? I I could drive
Speaker 1: myself crazy. I mean, even Achard totally speaks to this, like,
Speaker 1: don't try and figure it out, just be here. And
Speaker 1: when I'm here, I'm both. I'm a mother and I'm
Speaker 1: someone's girlfriend, and I'm hungry and I want to garden
Speaker 1: and I want to do podcasts, and I'm needy and
Speaker 1: I am complete, I'm very powerful and i am very lost.
Speaker 1: I'm both yes. And I think that that's been one
Speaker 1: of the greatest lessons for me, And it's something that
Speaker 1: I constantly have to remind myself because it's so easy
Speaker 1: to forget that we are both. And it's one of
Speaker 1: the greatest lessons was knowing that I can old. It
Speaker 1: started with emotions. For me, It's like I can hold
Speaker 1: multiple things at once, you know, I can be happy
Speaker 1: and sad all at the same time, like and to
Speaker 1: be able to hold the totality of those emotions. And
Speaker 1: then now you're talking about it bleeding out into you know,
Speaker 1: the whole of our you know, a totality of our lives. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is that is a beautiful, beautiful lesson that I
Speaker 1: I feel like it's so easily forgotten. I wonder, how
Speaker 1: do you remember that. I was just talking to my
Speaker 1: friend Darryl about this, and I was talking about loneliness
Speaker 1: because it's something I'd love to discuss with you, because
Speaker 1: it's really been something I've been diving deep into lately.
Speaker 1: And we were talking about, you know, like if all
Speaker 1: of the things that we had in our lives were
Speaker 1: taken care of, there was we felt connected to everything
Speaker 1: and everyone. I feel like there would still be this
Speaker 1: piece of us that feels like we're disconnected from home.
Speaker 1: There's this deep piece of us that we forget that
Speaker 1: we are the holy piece. We forget that we are,
Speaker 1: that we are connected to something higher. You know, I
Speaker 1: wake up every morning thinking I want to remember that
Speaker 1: totality of myself every day and it gets lost, like instantly,
Speaker 1: I feel like we go about our lives and but
Speaker 1: then maybe that is the thing. Maybe it is exactly
Speaker 1: right where we are in all of the human nous
Speaker 1: and in that moment, like if we dive into that
Speaker 1: piece of it, we are just as connected as if
Speaker 1: we were in meditation and in prayer. All suffering is
Speaker 1: a result of that illusion that we're disconnected. All suffering is,
Speaker 1: you know, the Buddhi's say all suffering has to do
Speaker 1: with what we identify with. I would say all sufferings
Speaker 1: to do with misidentifying with things. So we think we're small,
Speaker 1: we suffer. We tap into our true nature. We realize
Speaker 1: we're divine, we're chosen. There's not even God is not
Speaker 1: even having a discussion about whether we should be forgiven
Speaker 1: or not. It's not even on the tape. Well, we
Speaker 1: just are loved. So you can have those moments. You
Speaker 1: can sing, you can have it in meditation, you can
Speaker 1: have it in the garden, you can have it just
Speaker 1: like with your barista. And then you're gonna walk out
Speaker 1: of the cafe and you're gonna shrink, and you're gonna
Speaker 1: go what I just felt so exalted and so high,
Speaker 1: and why now, Because that's how insidious it is, like
Speaker 1: super The meta view is we have to keep in
Speaker 1: mind we are trying to undo eons, lifetimes upon lifetimes
Speaker 1: of conditioning of ego and darkness and shadow. We're good.
Speaker 1: We're good if we can have some connected moments in
Speaker 1: stillness and meditation. Um, we're doing good. If we can
Speaker 1: feel it in the k if we can feel a
Speaker 1: few times a day and you know, for me, I'm
Speaker 1: getting Really, they're like. What gets in the way is
Speaker 1: all the thinking. And the way to like stop the
Speaker 1: thinking is the ego uses the intellect and the body.
Speaker 1: This is really important to understand. This is like course
Speaker 1: and miracle stuff. The egos language is identify with your body,
Speaker 1: because I can keep you small if you think you
Speaker 1: are too fat, too thin, to whatever, to whatever. And
Speaker 1: I can keep you separate if you know you bring
Speaker 1: race into the conversation or culture any that all keeps
Speaker 1: us divided. Um, how else does the ego keep us over?
Speaker 1: If I think I'm smarter than anybody else, or if
Speaker 1: someone else has got more knowledge, the haves and the
Speaker 1: have nots of knowledge. If you identify with you know
Speaker 1: what I call your heart center, your soul. There's no
Speaker 1: division and everything is in So like my practice now,
Speaker 1: as I see something come up from my basement, the
Speaker 1: basement of my psyche, and I go, wow, that's clingy.
Speaker 1: And instead of I'm a loser because I'm clinging, it's
Speaker 1: like I just say, come on in. I got room.
Speaker 1: I'm big enough, I'm loving enough, I'm supportive enough, I'm
Speaker 1: enough of a mother that I got space for you. Clingy.
Speaker 1: I've got space for you, greedy, ego person, shattered, fragmented self.
Speaker 1: And when you do that with yourself, you feel more
Speaker 1: connected to other people. The way to compassion. All right,
Speaker 1: on that note, we're going to take a very compassionate
Speaker 1: break and we'll be right back. Welcome back, labs. We
Speaker 1: are just talking about the power of compassion and for
Speaker 1: ourselves and others and leading with your heart. With Daniel Laporte,
Speaker 1: you talk about heart centered and that's what you bring.
Speaker 1: You point people back to often. What does that exactly
Speaker 1: mean for you? Heart centered living? Ah, it's a reflective life.
Speaker 1: Do you want to wake up? Do you want to
Speaker 1: wake up? I think everybody's soul wants us to wake
Speaker 1: up and then some some of us get conscious like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to wake up. I want to live a meaningful,
Speaker 1: purposeful life. And of course we all want joy, we
Speaker 1: all want happiness. We may have addictions that keep us
Speaker 1: from those things. Some of us are so addicted to
Speaker 1: chaos and misery. You know. So you've got to do
Speaker 1: the work. You've got to do the work. You're complete,
Speaker 1: you're safe, you're loved, you're loving. You've got to do
Speaker 1: the work to seal that awareness. And there's tools, and
Speaker 1: you know, you and I have been how many fucking
Speaker 1: workshops have we done? How much therapy? And so I
Speaker 1: think we try all these tools and they're great. Just
Speaker 1: like you said at the top of the hour, they
Speaker 1: were super useful. And then you've got to lay them
Speaker 1: down and just be with yourself. And I think there's
Speaker 1: a test that it comes in at some point where
Speaker 1: you might have to leave your teacher, you might have
Speaker 1: to leave the church, You're gonna have to depart from
Speaker 1: something two claim yourself in a way. And yeah, just
Speaker 1: you know why I think it's so scary, just that
Speaker 1: it's yourself. I think from for my for myself. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're talking about like the fear of just like following
Speaker 1: your own heart is it's really it's the fear of punishment.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a fear of getting it wrong, like
Speaker 1: if I make this decision, if I turn left, if
Speaker 1: I do this yoga instead of that yoga, if I
Speaker 1: marry that person said that, I'm gonna, you know, screw
Speaker 1: up my life. But I think a lot of us
Speaker 1: it's really deep in the psyche that something greater than
Speaker 1: ourselves is going to punish us. And most religion is
Speaker 1: based on this that we're going to get cast out.
Speaker 1: And it may come into play like your friends are
Speaker 1: gonna leave you, or your agent is going to dump
Speaker 1: you or whatever. But I think it's really almost like mythical,
Speaker 1: like we're gonna be cast out of the garden if
Speaker 1: we follow ourselves. It definitely goes that deep. I'm actually
Speaker 1: this is so interesting. I'm finishing a new album right now,
Speaker 1: and uh, there's so much of this that came through
Speaker 1: on this record, and that that idea of original sin
Speaker 1: we'd talk Home record, Yeah we did, And it lives
Speaker 1: deep within the psyche, deep, especially as you know, especially
Speaker 1: as a woman, and the innocence, you know, the innocence
Speaker 1: that I think I'm returning home to I know I've
Speaker 1: returned home to it. You know. The Chant record was
Speaker 1: a way of returning home to it. My writing, you know,
Speaker 1: this new record was a way of returning home to it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, there's a there's an innocence that we come
Speaker 1: home to and ourselves too. And it's for me that's
Speaker 1: been I mean for multiple reasons. Look, I started so young,
Speaker 1: like my innocence was truly like kind of blown and
Speaker 1: shattered to pieces at a very young age. But it's
Speaker 1: that's been truly like one of the saddest journeys back
Speaker 1: into myself and still is like I'll touch it and
Speaker 1: then I'm not sure what to do with it. Um,
Speaker 1: But that's where, like, you know, that's where all the
Speaker 1: joy lives. And and I feel like the that whole
Speaker 1: punishment peace is uh is deeply connected to that for me,
Speaker 1: and and the fear of punishment is that is so
Speaker 1: deeply true. And to be honest, you know, there has
Speaker 1: been outward punishment. You know, I've experienced thatward punishment. I'm
Speaker 1: sure we all have and have been cast out. I mean,
Speaker 1: the exile for me was real, um. But the exile
Speaker 1: also from of myself being cast out of my own
Speaker 1: self like that. That return is so important. I think
Speaker 1: that's the journey and I'm on right now, is is
Speaker 1: coming back to that. My most recent awesome revelation is
Speaker 1: that nothing outside of ourselves is punishing us, although that's
Speaker 1: how all of organized religion is set up. And this
Speaker 1: comes from Hermetic Egyptian philosophy. I've been reading this lately
Speaker 1: with Yoga Nanda. God neither punishes, nor protects, nor rewards
Speaker 1: our soul does that. And so I had to ask myself,
Speaker 1: where am I punishing myself? Where can I reward myself?
Speaker 1: Where can I have mercy for myself? Why am I
Speaker 1: begging God for mercy? I'm loved, I need to beg myself.
Speaker 1: I need to show mercy to myself. And so no
Speaker 1: judgment for what I manifest, no judgment for sickness, no
Speaker 1: judgment for any kind of condition, just mercy, mercy, mercy,
Speaker 1: and recently, you know, part of my therapeutic process. I've
Speaker 1: never spoken these words because I've been such a sturdy
Speaker 1: New Age crusader like I manifested this and I'm going
Speaker 1: to take care of it, you know. And I just
Speaker 1: said to myself, i don't deserve this. I was really suffering,
Speaker 1: as really in a lot of physical pain, and I'd
Speaker 1: never ever let myself say that. I never wanted to
Speaker 1: be like in victim mode, but it was coming from
Speaker 1: the most loving, finally part of myself. I just said,
Speaker 1: like Danielle, you don't deserve this. And and then then
Speaker 1: one has to ask what about karma, because there's cause
Speaker 1: and effect. Could be something I did in this lifetime
Speaker 1: or another lifetime where I gotta burn something off. I
Speaker 1: gotta do some due diligence here to bring it into balance.
Speaker 1: Even then I should have mercy on myself. I think
Speaker 1: mercy and self compassion it can right the wrong. This
Speaker 1: is like true atonement. It's like you just see the
Speaker 1: mistake with love and it dissolves. Yeah, forgiveness or mercy
Speaker 1: and grace the same thing, right. I think mercy. I
Speaker 1: think they're cousins. Mercy is easy to understand when you
Speaker 1: think about it in terms of having mercy for someone else.
Speaker 1: So you can think of someone who done something heinous
Speaker 1: and awful even to you, you know, and mercy would
Speaker 1: be I hope you don't have to pay full price
Speaker 1: for that wrongdoing. I hope you get off easy. I
Speaker 1: think mercy is I pray you get off easy, really,
Speaker 1: because why why be punished? Why why perpetuate punishment? I
Speaker 1: pray we all know that line from all the old movies.
Speaker 1: I make God have mercy on your soul, right, And
Speaker 1: then I think grace is the letting go and letting
Speaker 1: God like she comes in and she takes care of stuff,
Speaker 1: and but you have to unclench. You have to unclench.
Speaker 1: And what you're talking about with yourself of like the
Speaker 1: acceptance and that the original concept of original sin, that
Speaker 1: relief it comes when we let go of judgment and
Speaker 1: that loneliness. I know that loneliness. That loneliness is. I
Speaker 1: think it's part of being in a human body mm hmm.
Speaker 1: And I think it's what we're here to dissolve. So
Speaker 1: you think that's you think that's possible, like to really
Speaker 1: in this, in this body, to dissolve that loneliness. I
Speaker 1: don't know, m hm, I don't know. I think I
Speaker 1: believe that there are enlightened beings who feel God's source
Speaker 1: who stay in body. I'm not there. I'm so not there.
Speaker 1: I agree. I mean, there's been so many moments where
Speaker 1: I have been I mean, I'm blessed to have an
Speaker 1: avenue every time I opened my mouth, you know, to
Speaker 1: be able to connect with that. Um, I've done it
Speaker 1: in meditation. I felt that I've have come out of
Speaker 1: breath work and been like, holy hell, I'm not on
Speaker 1: this plane. Hallelujah. I feel the greatest amount of joy
Speaker 1: I've ever felt in my life. Why do I have
Speaker 1: to come back down from this? Why can't we always
Speaker 1: live there? It is a beautiful feeling. It is so
Speaker 1: and you're you know, once you feel that. For me,
Speaker 1: once I felt that and really understood it, that's where
Speaker 1: my search started, you know. It's like that's love, Like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, I get to experience that. Like even if
Speaker 1: I even if I've even if I've already experienced everything
Speaker 1: I'll ever experience of that in this lifetime, I'll still
Speaker 1: look for it, like I'll still That's I think the
Speaker 1: deepest desire ultimately is to feel in connection with that energy.
Speaker 1: It's so beautiful. You've got the taste, I know, right,
Speaker 1: totally totally, and it's you talk a little, you know
Speaker 1: a lot about about giving things up upward? What is that?
Speaker 1: This is an interesting concept that I've I've kind of
Speaker 1: struggled with. There's a piece of me that's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I know exactly what that is to give it up
Speaker 1: to God. Um. And then there's a piece of me
Speaker 1: that's like, well, just that's it, Like just give it up?
Speaker 1: Like what what do don't I have to do something?
Speaker 1: What is it? What does that experience? What do you
Speaker 1: what do you? What do you mean by that? Exactly?
Speaker 1: Because I've lived my whole life it's you know, that's
Speaker 1: been I brought up Southern Baptist and it was all about,
Speaker 1: you know, just giving it up to God. You know
Speaker 1: what is that experience like for you? When you say that?
Speaker 1: What what comes up for you? Um? You know when
Speaker 1: you're holding a child who has a cold, they're sick,
Speaker 1: and you say to them, I wish I could take
Speaker 1: this from you. We all know that experience, Like we
Speaker 1: would take that suffering on and we have the capacity
Speaker 1: take that suffering on. We're healthy enough, we would take that.
Speaker 1: We would take that illness for them and running through it.
Speaker 1: I think doubting that creation, the infinite life, the mother,
Speaker 1: the father doesn't want our pain and can't take it.
Speaker 1: That's delusional. It's completely right, Like whatever force that made
Speaker 1: us in our microbiome, and birds and the sun and
Speaker 1: the solar system can't handle our micro amount of pain.
Speaker 1: I don't think God wants us to suffer. I mean
Speaker 1: I had an experience where, you know, I was really
Speaker 1: kind of just emotionally crumbling. This is about three years ago.
Speaker 1: It's really dark time. Wouldn't trade it for anything now
Speaker 1: that you know, I'm on the other side. But and
Speaker 1: I was at a river in in Santa Fe and
Speaker 1: it was like, really, it's like this kind of baptismal moment.
Speaker 1: I took off my clothes, I get in this rushing river.
Speaker 1: This is like, this is a big deal for me
Speaker 1: because I don't like to be called and and I
Speaker 1: felt like nobody could touch my pain, not my friends,
Speaker 1: not the person I was in relationship with, not my psychologist.
Speaker 1: I just come out of this shaman healing as London
Speaker 1: does in Santa Fe, you know, and it was like
Speaker 1: the ultimate and loneliness. Nobody could get the pain, nobody
Speaker 1: could touch the could scratch it. And and I just realized,
Speaker 1: like only God can get to that. And God is
Speaker 1: waiting for me to just say come and take this
Speaker 1: from me. I'm going to I'm gonna give it to you. Here,
Speaker 1: here you have Oh, you're the one. This is the
Speaker 1: rouch and just to give it it can be transformed.
Speaker 1: And this is this is the basic love winds christ
Speaker 1: consciousness is transmutational love changes everything. You just say, I
Speaker 1: am worthy of mercy. I deserve a break. Take it
Speaker 1: from me. And but but I think it's a there's
Speaker 1: a two steps to this. But like take it from
Speaker 1: me and then use me that I will be done.
Speaker 1: I cast away my worries so that this is really
Speaker 1: this is like the sacred semicolon. I offer you my
Speaker 1: worries and my pain so that I can be a
Speaker 1: vehicle for you. M hm. And then that's why we're here.
Speaker 1: We're here to get healed, and I think, and to
Speaker 1: heal each other. There are some days where I can't
Speaker 1: see my capacity to heal myself, but you can. There's
Speaker 1: some days when I can't hear my voice, but I
Speaker 1: can hear your voice, and we do heal each other.
Speaker 1: We have to show up for each other. And I
Speaker 1: think this is the call of the times. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm talking a lot now about Age of Aquarius and
Speaker 1: like this whole new era that we're in, it doesn't
Speaker 1: even matter what it's called. But everybody can see we're
Speaker 1: in a new cycle of something and we're only going
Speaker 1: to get through this if we love ourselves completely. I
Speaker 1: know it's easy to say, but total inclusiveness. Love your
Speaker 1: anxiety softly, love your power softly, don't cling to your power,
Speaker 1: and then I can love you and we're just going
Speaker 1: to get softer. That's where we're headed. Yeah, I saw
Speaker 1: I clipped where you put your anxiety as the beloved,
Speaker 1: like everything is the beloved, and it was such a
Speaker 1: beautiful reminder because it's true. I mean, it's it's all
Speaker 1: showing up. I mean, it's it's all coming from there.
Speaker 1: That's that's everything. Is that? What is your relationship right
Speaker 1: now with anxiety? We call it your anxiety. You're just
Speaker 1: anxiety in general. But like where you at mm hmm
Speaker 1: I it happens daily. It's a man on um. It
Speaker 1: depends on I think this whole last year has been
Speaker 1: very loud, you know. I for me, it's my brain
Speaker 1: got really loud and louder than it has been in
Speaker 1: a very long time. And I'm off the road where
Speaker 1: I've been since I was thirteen years old, and I
Speaker 1: got to sit at home and which was wonderful by
Speaker 1: the way. I mean, there's been a lot of beautiful
Speaker 1: things that have come out of this for me, um,
Speaker 1: but one of them has not been my anxiety and
Speaker 1: has gotten much louder. I started coloring recently and it
Speaker 1: brought me back to this really innocent piece of myself
Speaker 1: and it's very calming to my nervous system, and I'm
Speaker 1: starting to find new ways to to be with it.
Speaker 1: And I know that one of the greatest things is
Speaker 1: is acceptance of knowing that this is how I'm feeling
Speaker 1: right now. I'm going to meet it here. And when
Speaker 1: I don't fight it, it's like the resistance keeps a going.
Speaker 1: You know. When I meet it, I think it it
Speaker 1: starts to dissolve. And there's so many emotions also underneath
Speaker 1: that that I'm that I've I'm resisting normally. It's something
Speaker 1: that needs to be expressed. Can you describe the anxiety.
Speaker 1: What's it like in your body? Yeah? It feels like
Speaker 1: someone plugged me into a wall socket. It feels like
Speaker 1: so much, so much energy running through every limb and
Speaker 1: especially like my my center channel. Um, that's where it
Speaker 1: really starts. I can feel it, I mean all through
Speaker 1: it kind of and sometimes can feel like someone's choking me,
Speaker 1: which for me, like anything that has to do with
Speaker 1: my throat or my voice is like though, it just
Speaker 1: exacerbates what's going on. Do you know what triggers it life?
Speaker 1: I mean, um, different things, I think, worry, I think
Speaker 1: about the future, you know, like I feel like, at
Speaker 1: least at this point, it's been um, you know, I
Speaker 1: thought I had I it, I had set myself up
Speaker 1: since I was a child, I think for never having
Speaker 1: to worry about business and money and you know, all
Speaker 1: the things that I grew up with nothing to be
Speaker 1: able to have set that up for myself at such
Speaker 1: a young age. That all got stripped for me, which
Speaker 1: of course I know is the greatest thing that's probably
Speaker 1: ever happened to me once I get on the other
Speaker 1: side of this. But I think it's been just constant
Speaker 1: rumination and worry about the future for me, reminding myself
Speaker 1: the reminders every day of I don't need to be
Speaker 1: in control. I think. Really that's what it boils down to,
Speaker 1: is like feeling the need to control everything around me
Speaker 1: so I feel safe, which is a trauma response, totally
Speaker 1: need to control. And then how does how how do
Speaker 1: you and end Eddie in a like in a marriage,
Speaker 1: work with your anxiety. Will he come in the room,
Speaker 1: You'll say, I'm having I'm in it now. Yeah. We
Speaker 1: I'm very vocal, and I used to not be because
Speaker 1: I thought I could handle it all. You know, It's
Speaker 1: like I can I can control this. I can handle it.
Speaker 1: Um No, I will one expressed to him what's going on.
Speaker 1: And the wonderful thing about my husband and that I
Speaker 1: have wonderfully married into and that I didn't have as
Speaker 1: a child, is that he's able most of the time
Speaker 1: to meet me and say it's okay, like and be
Speaker 1: with me and that And that's what's been so healing
Speaker 1: about my relationship with him is that it's so very
Speaker 1: different then what I had as a child. M hm.
Speaker 1: And that's so beautiful. I mean, like you said, that
Speaker 1: is a trauma response, and he's helping me heal that
Speaker 1: that piece of trauma you know, for myself wait to
Speaker 1: wait to manifest love, I know. Yeah, I mean he's
Speaker 1: he's a beautiful man and with you know, and we
Speaker 1: both have we both have places where we can't meet
Speaker 1: each other, um. And we're learning together and that's I
Speaker 1: think that's all I can ask for is to learn
Speaker 1: and grow together and and he we both heal each
Speaker 1: other in different ways, and it's been it's been really
Speaker 1: powerful to have him in my life. I've been thinking
Speaker 1: about anxiety and the body and how much of a
Speaker 1: call it is really back to the letting go. It's
Speaker 1: just all you have is now. All you have is now.
Speaker 1: I mean it goes back to this. Sounds like super dramatic,
Speaker 1: but I just think, could I die today, would I
Speaker 1: be ready to die today? Could I have could I
Speaker 1: let go of everything today? And the answer is rarely no.
Speaker 1: Sometimes say yes, like Okay, I feel close to love
Speaker 1: and I know that who knows, maybe I could be
Speaker 1: of more service from the other side, like I don't know.
Speaker 1: But then I also like the idea of like could
Speaker 1: I let go of everything? And why do I want
Speaker 1: to be here? And I just kind of recommit to
Speaker 1: being here, like, oh I do want to be here?
Speaker 1: I do. I still I still have things to do
Speaker 1: and there's so many people that I love and there's
Speaker 1: still there's so much joy. That's my next question for you,
Speaker 1: not in spite of or despite having anxiety sometimes but
Speaker 1: alongside that, I want you to tell me if this
Speaker 1: is true, Like you have this whole life and you
Speaker 1: have a relationship with joy and you have a relationship
Speaker 1: with happiness and euphoria and expression, and people need to
Speaker 1: hear you can have you can have it all. You
Speaker 1: can have anxiety and joy the new halfit at all totally.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's hysterical. Well, you know what's interesting
Speaker 1: about that? Um? I think I think I'm just really
Speaker 1: allowing myself to touch joy, like true joy. I think
Speaker 1: I you know, I go back to that innocence within
Speaker 1: me that feels like it got so repressed and that
Speaker 1: it was all about work and it was all about
Speaker 1: the struggle and always forward moving. And in this last
Speaker 1: year I got to a place I did the somatic experience. Um,
Speaker 1: I've been working a lot with somatic work, and I
Speaker 1: had the somatic experience where I felt like I was
Speaker 1: outside of myself and kind of dropped in and I
Speaker 1: started laughing and crying all the same time. And I
Speaker 1: was in the space for about forty eight hours. My
Speaker 1: my dear friend Darryl and I who create he creates
Speaker 1: everything with me. We wrote this song called Innocence from
Speaker 1: that space, and it's funny because the first lyrics are
Speaker 1: come back to me. We'll set eating eating free, and
Speaker 1: joy will again win the Holy warm. And I cry
Speaker 1: when I think about it because, oh, to me, like
Speaker 1: that is the truest piece of joy that I've touched mhm.
Speaker 1: And I have. I'm finally allowing myself to have that mhm.
Speaker 1: And it's uh, it takes It's taken a long time
Speaker 1: to get there. That's touching your divinity, like when we
Speaker 1: when we see who we really are, you can't help
Speaker 1: but be joyful, like there's no other there's no other
Speaker 1: response to have when you just see low I am,
Speaker 1: I am love, I am love is flowing through my
Speaker 1: by I'm like this conduit. How can you not be joyful?
Speaker 1: And then how can you not be moved? And how
Speaker 1: can you not want to It's like I was blind
Speaker 1: and now I see you know that's it. That's the
Speaker 1: amazing grace. I mean, you're doing this with your life now,
Speaker 1: your vocation. When you when you touch that, you just
Speaker 1: want to go. And I just want to go. I
Speaker 1: want to hold people. I want to put my hands
Speaker 1: on their shoulders and just say like it's possible. And
Speaker 1: I'm struggling too, and I don't get it every day
Speaker 1: all day, but I know what I've tasted it. It's possible.
Speaker 1: We're gonna pause right there, but when we return, Danielle
Speaker 1: will share her thoughts on how we get to that
Speaker 1: place of enter peace and joy. Hello again, Loves. Danielle
Speaker 1: was just talking us through connecting with our own divinity
Speaker 1: and love. We like only get there together. We only
Speaker 1: get there together. Like now, like I'm gonna like the
Speaker 1: most frequent thing I say to people right now is like,
Speaker 1: we have to hold hands. We just we've got to
Speaker 1: hold hands. Like I don't know what else I can say.
Speaker 1: Someday we're like another friend is saying I've been anxious
Speaker 1: all weekend, or or another friend is just I've had
Speaker 1: this amazing breakthrough right just healed my cancer. Or I'm
Speaker 1: down and Europe or I'm up, and just like we're
Speaker 1: just going to hold hands and we cannot give up
Speaker 1: on each other and and we've got to forgive, like
Speaker 1: this is the soapbox right now, forgive ourselves. The heart,
Speaker 1: I think the most the sweetest thing I've come up
Speaker 1: with the last year is like the heart is for giving.
Speaker 1: Love has to flow, love is always moving, Love is
Speaker 1: always generitive. It's the nature of love. It moves, has
Speaker 1: to move. The heart is for giving. I think my anxiety,
Speaker 1: by the way, just not to interrupt you or you
Speaker 1: just you reminded me. I think my anxiety comes from
Speaker 1: not giving that not loving, not giving that love like
Speaker 1: not when I hold with hold from an old trauma pattern.
Speaker 1: When I withhold, that is where my anxiety truly is,
Speaker 1: because I know what I want, like, I just want
Speaker 1: to continue to love, and it's that's just my nature. Actually,
Speaker 1: as he said that to me the other day, He's like,
Speaker 1: the kindness in you, it's just your nature. Like that's
Speaker 1: just it. And I truly think when you just said that,
Speaker 1: that hit me, is like, oh, that's really it. That's
Speaker 1: really the anxiety. That gorgeous, yes, gorgeous epiphany. It's your
Speaker 1: true nature. It's it's our true nature. It's human nature.
Speaker 1: We want to love, We want to forgive. Whoever is listening,
Speaker 1: if you just get one thing, just get this one.
Speaker 1: We're not raised to forgive. We are raised to hold
Speaker 1: a grudge. Our whole entire culture, our whole society, is
Speaker 1: based on right versus wrong, light versus dark, black versus white,
Speaker 1: holding a like it's all based on punishment. There's a
Speaker 1: right answer, there's a wrong answer, there's logic, and there's love.
Speaker 1: It's not true your truth. You actually want to forgive.
Speaker 1: And so many times I've watched myself let myself get
Speaker 1: talked out of loving, like I don't care. What do
Speaker 1: I care that they took the money? What I don't?
Speaker 1: It's over And the system will say you should suthe them,
Speaker 1: or the system will say you should write it, you know,
Speaker 1: get it in writing, or it's just all these things. Really,
Speaker 1: I think when I'm on my best days, I'm really
Speaker 1: over it, but I talk myself into not being over it,
Speaker 1: and I clamped down, and the blood vessel shrink and
Speaker 1: the anxiety comes, and I one of my greatest awareness
Speaker 1: is about forgiveness. Is actually I can tap into that
Speaker 1: place of kindness where I don't even have to question
Speaker 1: whether I forgive someone. It's I have to ask for
Speaker 1: forgiveness and who do we need to go clean stuff
Speaker 1: up with? The liberation that comes from that is incredible.
Speaker 1: Like just about three weeks ago, I had my ex
Speaker 1: husband over for Tea that hasn't happened a lot since
Speaker 1: we got divorced, and just said, you know, I got
Speaker 1: two things to talk to you about. One, let's talk
Speaker 1: about our son's upcoming birthday too. I want to say
Speaker 1: sorry for something, and I'm going to cry. And I
Speaker 1: basically said, I'm sorry for being a bag for the
Speaker 1: last five years. I'm just like, I've been such a
Speaker 1: dick about things. And and I also, you know, defended
Speaker 1: myself a little bit and said, I've never wished ill
Speaker 1: I've always wished the best for you, but like I
Speaker 1: held a grudge for way too long, and like it
Speaker 1: weighed me down, and it weighed you down, and I'm
Speaker 1: just done with it. And I'm sorry. You don't even
Speaker 1: have to forgive me. I'm you don't even have to
Speaker 1: forgive me. I'm just I just need to say I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I love that. That's so beautiful. How what do you okay?
Speaker 1: So forgiveness, I feel like I sometimes when you feel
Speaker 1: like you've forgiven, which I do. I feel like I've
Speaker 1: forgiven the people in my life who I really needed
Speaker 1: to forgive. But then I'm like, but then there's the people.
Speaker 1: They sometimes will go reopen that wound without even mean
Speaker 1: Sometimes people just don't change, and they are they're in
Speaker 1: your life and they don't change, and gosh, it reopens
Speaker 1: the wound and then it's like, did I really forgive?
Speaker 1: Or do I have to go forgive again? And it's
Speaker 1: it's like are there layers to that? And maybe it's
Speaker 1: the forgiveness of that's just an understanding and acceptance of
Speaker 1: that's just who they are. M I think when forgiveness happens,
Speaker 1: it's real. And then they circle back and you get
Speaker 1: agitated again. It doesn't invalidate that you really did forgive
Speaker 1: that one time. Everything is always moving, you're always growing.
Speaker 1: The subconscious is huge. There's like more ship in your
Speaker 1: basement you've got to clean out. So like, let's not
Speaker 1: invalidate that we were loving when we were And you know,
Speaker 1: some great advice I got from one of my shrinks
Speaker 1: was sometimes you gotta you gotta go in knowing there's
Speaker 1: a chance they might not have changed. They might have
Speaker 1: there's always room for a miracle. And then you're going
Speaker 1: to get wounded and you're going to pull out and repair,
Speaker 1: and then you go back in, pull out, repair and
Speaker 1: you go back in, but you kind of know who
Speaker 1: you're dealing You've got an idea about who you're dealing with.
Speaker 1: And then a logical spiritual question would be like, well,
Speaker 1: you can't assume how someone's going to act. Oh, come on,
Speaker 1: but give yourself some credit. Yeah, we want to leave
Speaker 1: room for change and miracles, but give yourself some credit
Speaker 1: for your wisdom. Zebras aren't going to change their stripes. So, okay.
Speaker 1: I was going for a walk with someone who have
Speaker 1: that kind of dynamic with and they said the thing
Speaker 1: that always makes me feel like, are you kidding? Are
Speaker 1: you kidding? And I just decided that day that I
Speaker 1: was spacious enough for that person to treat me like ship.
Speaker 1: I had enough room. I had enough room for they're crazy.
Speaker 1: And when I saw myself, I really had a deep breathe.
Speaker 1: You know, We're walking through the park and I'm deep breathing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, Daniel, you got this. And I think
Speaker 1: to myself, I am really loving. I'm really loving. My
Speaker 1: heart is vast. I I believe what the mystics say.
Speaker 1: My heart is as big as this guy. I'm okay, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: i am love itself. Okay. Then I got room for
Speaker 1: this petty bullshit, and I have room to see their
Speaker 1: wounded nous. They're they're they're ill, they're struggling, they don't
Speaker 1: have the tools that I have. It's okay, you can
Speaker 1: treat me like ship today. And this is also this
Speaker 1: goes back to your point about offering it up. H
Speaker 1: This is actually a very tontric practice. Side note here,
Speaker 1: lots of people think tantra is just about how you
Speaker 1: have a great orgasm. There's just once liver of a
Speaker 1: ton tric perspective. Tontra is really about being presents present.
Speaker 1: It's the opposite of anxiety and clinging and all of that.
Speaker 1: And the ton Tric way of offering it up would
Speaker 1: be to say, what energy in the universe needs this?
Speaker 1: Take my suffering, take my shame, take my inflammation, take
Speaker 1: my anxiety, take my terror. Who wants my terror? Come
Speaker 1: get it? And maybe some demon beast energy comes and
Speaker 1: eats it up because that's what they feed off of.
Speaker 1: But like, we're just living in this big compost, so
Speaker 1: you could just it's another approach, like who who wants
Speaker 1: this energy? And then if you're going to give up
Speaker 1: your dark, heavy stuff, you also have to get in
Speaker 1: the habit of giving up your light stuff. Who wants
Speaker 1: this love? And just keep flowing? Who wants my forgiveness,
Speaker 1: come get it. Who wants my joy today? And you
Speaker 1: offer it up to God? You offer it up? Offer
Speaker 1: h I love that, it's so beautiful. Thank you. Then
Speaker 1: you're always growing mm hmm you and you're always moving.
Speaker 1: Things are always moving then, which is the nature of
Speaker 1: love always falling? It's a current of energy. What happens
Speaker 1: when we clamp the energy down? We get fried, we
Speaker 1: get burned out, toxic backup, We're going to get well.
Speaker 1: I don't want to put this in too much of
Speaker 1: an affirmative. There's a high possibility that if we don't
Speaker 1: keep the love flowing, if we hold back on our forgiveness,
Speaker 1: we create illness. Because life moves, death constricts, I mean
Speaker 1: death in this physical sense. Yeah, you just honestly, I
Speaker 1: think we literally just solved my anxiety. I mean not completely,
Speaker 1: but I really understand the route. And you know what,
Speaker 1: having experienced my own anxiety, panic attacks and all the
Speaker 1: studying I've done, I'm just gonna all you, like sister
Speaker 1: to sister, you don't have to have it. It's actually
Speaker 1: not necessary. Our pain is not necessary for growth. It
Speaker 1: creates growth. There's no need for us to look for
Speaker 1: suffering to be good. Of course, The Miracles has a
Speaker 1: very simple phrase, I have no need of this, and
Speaker 1: I'm really getting it. I'm really getting it. I have
Speaker 1: no need for this. And you know how important it
Speaker 1: is to like choose correct thoughts m hm. And how
Speaker 1: when we're in those anxious, dark places we've got to
Speaker 1: you know, and I know like you feel like you're
Speaker 1: at the bottom of this cavern you can't even get
Speaker 1: what the right thought is sometimes to get you out
Speaker 1: of the pit. Yes, but all what I say to
Speaker 1: myself right now is I have chosen be beauty. And
Speaker 1: I've worked on these words, like do I say I'm
Speaker 1: choosing beauty? Do I say I've chose beauty? I choose it.
Speaker 1: I've decided to put in past tense because I know
Speaker 1: that my soul already chose, already chose me, and my
Speaker 1: human self is just waking up to it. I have
Speaker 1: chosen beauty so I can see the beauty and the anxiety.
Speaker 1: The anxiety dissolves, and then I start to see the
Speaker 1: beauty in my life so much to be grateful for.
Speaker 1: I see the beauty in this mess that is, and
Speaker 1: I am without judgment for all of it. I don't
Speaker 1: care if you choose to get vaccinated or not vaccinated.
Speaker 1: I see the beauty in your choice. I don't care
Speaker 1: if you choose to sing and use your gifts or not.
Speaker 1: I'm going to see the beauty. I don't care if
Speaker 1: you harmed me and stole from me. I'm going to
Speaker 1: see the beauty. And I'm going to see the beauty
Speaker 1: in my day. And just like you know, you're having
Speaker 1: this epiphany of like it's this clamped down love and
Speaker 1: you're just you're saying, you're just getting joy. I'm just realizing,
Speaker 1: you know what I want, asked me what I want?
Speaker 1: Lean what do you want? I want to be happy. Yes,
Speaker 1: I just want to be happy. The Divine Mother wants
Speaker 1: me to be happy. There's no reason to not be happy.
Speaker 1: I'm finding all this evidence to support happiness. You know,
Speaker 1: Tick not Han teaching saying we all missed the point.
Speaker 1: We all think that the Buddha was talking so much
Speaker 1: about suffering. The Buddha was happy, of course, the miracles
Speaker 1: talking about the result of love is happiness. Love and
Speaker 1: happiness go hand in hand. The meta Bovna prayer, it's
Speaker 1: my thing. Now, May I be happy, May I be healthy,
Speaker 1: free of suffering free of mental anxiety. May I live
Speaker 1: in peace, May my life be blessed with ease. And
Speaker 1: then I offer you that blessing and all of us
Speaker 1: that blessing. That's a prayer from the Buddha himself. If
Speaker 1: the Buddha is promoting happiness, I'm finally in and the
Speaker 1: warrior and the warriorship is how to be happy in
Speaker 1: these times? Because the egos and any kind of thinking
Speaker 1: person is going to say, but now, but that's always
Speaker 1: the case, That's always the case. How can we have
Speaker 1: been happy in the depression? How can we have been
Speaker 1: happy in the dark ages? How do we be happy
Speaker 1: as the world is clearly unraveling? Yeah, we need to
Speaker 1: also unravel. Yeah, I love it. Thank you, thank you
Speaker 1: for your wisdom today. This has been so healing for
Speaker 1: me to sit here with you. And I'm just so grateful.
Speaker 1: And I have I always ask um, and I know
Speaker 1: you love music so much, so I'm excited to hear this.
Speaker 1: I always asked what we have something called the Holy Five,
Speaker 1: which is can be five of your favorite songs of now,
Speaker 1: five of your all time favorite songs? If you had
Speaker 1: to choose five, what would they be? And why? Well,
Speaker 1: Allelujah by Leonard Cohen. Oh yeah, because that is a
Speaker 1: song of inclusive love. That's a song of resurrection mm hmm.
Speaker 1: And I so relate to Leonard's Holy Human Struggle mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Not to kiss up. But my most cathartic dancing, sacred dancing,
Speaker 1: has been happening to is it throw your arms around
Speaker 1: the roll of throw my arms, row my arms around
Speaker 1: the world. I have a playlist called Sacred Dancer, and
Speaker 1: I have throw my arms around the world three times
Speaker 1: to strike. And I'll tell you sometimes I turn it
Speaker 1: into the affirmative that not if I could throw my
Speaker 1: arms around the world, but I change your words, if
Speaker 1: that's okay with you. And I said, yes, please, I
Speaker 1: throw my arms around the world, and I put healing it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. I'm going to do that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I love to do like the follow up. Put
Speaker 1: her on the next album, Yes, totally, that'll be the
Speaker 1: That'll be the next remix. I would put in something
Speaker 1: about said O'Connor mm hmm, because I love how she
Speaker 1: has been so open with her own insanity m hm,
Speaker 1: and so devoted to God. A song of good hope.
Speaker 1: I think it's called by Glenn Hansard, So I don't
Speaker 1: know that song. Oh he's so beautiful. Watch the Sun's now,
Speaker 1: you know what? Okay me, you'll be fine. Just stick
Speaker 1: close to me and make good. And the Bruce Springsteen
Speaker 1: song that Glenn Hansard and Eddie Vetter did a cover of,
Speaker 1: uh drive all night. They say, Oh God give me something,
Speaker 1: I'm afraid to lose m hm, and I wish that
Speaker 1: God was Samya wol soon miss something and I'm afraid.
Speaker 1: Yeah what a great lyric. Yeah, I know it's so good.
Speaker 1: I love good lyrics. I really do so beautiful. Thank
Speaker 1: you You're such a blessings. Appreciate you. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I'll love to you you too. And that wraps up
Speaker 1: this episode of Holy Human. Thank you all so much
Speaker 1: for joining us for this conversation. I don't know about you,
Speaker 1: but I feel like I just got wraps in a
Speaker 1: warm blanket which goes so patently. And please share your
Speaker 1: thoughts with me in the comments wherever you're listening, and
Speaker 1: don't hesitate to pass this podcast along to anyone in
Speaker 1: your life you feel could benefit from listening. Bye. On
Speaker 1: the next episode of Holy Human, join me and the
Speaker 1: brilliant doctor Judd Brewer as he helps us unpack and
Speaker 1: unload the very loaded topic of anxiety. You won't want
Speaker 1: to miss this one, I promise you. And until then,
Speaker 1: my loves my, your heart to be filled with forgiveness,
Speaker 1: acceptance and much joy. Holy Human with Me Leanne Rhymes
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