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Speaker 1: Well, today on the Fist Strives podcast network, we're joined

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Speaker 1: by Marlin's radio broadcaster Glenn Geffman.

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Speaker 2: Personally, to me, he's been a big motivation to me.

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Speaker 2: You get trying to learn more Marlin's knowledge and information

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Speaker 2: as I've been driving across the country two times, and

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Speaker 2: luckily today we're gonna be able to sit down with him.

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Speaker 2: So thank you so much for joining the podcast.

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Speaker 3: Lynn really happy with you, Tyler, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think it's wonderful what you guys do

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Speaker 2: on Marlin's Radio. And I think honestly, and a lot

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Speaker 2: of people agree with me, because whenever I put it there,

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Speaker 2: put one of my tweets out, I was like, you know,

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Speaker 2: Marlin's radio just hits different than a broadcast, and people

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Speaker 2: were like, yes, one hundred percent agree. And you and

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Speaker 2: Dave van Horne, you guys do a great job not

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Speaker 2: only painting the picture, you paint the picture perfectly so

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Speaker 2: a person that's just listening can actually see the field

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Speaker 2: without ever actually looking at the TV. And that's a

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Speaker 2: wonderful thing that you guys are able to do. How

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Speaker 2: exactly have you been able to build up yourself to

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Speaker 2: be able to do something like that and just paint

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Speaker 2: the image for a baseball fan.

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Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate your kind words and for noticing what

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Speaker 3: we're trying to do. To me, there's something special about

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Speaker 3: baseball on the radio, more so than on TV. And

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Speaker 3: everybody loves to watch TV and see what's going on.

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Speaker 3: But I like the challenge of having to paint that picture.

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Speaker 3: As you discussed, I grew up in South Florida, long

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Speaker 3: before the Marlins existed. I was a kid here in

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Speaker 3: the nineteen seventies and into the eighties, and I fell

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Speaker 3: in love with baseball when at the time all we

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Speaker 3: In Miami, the Yankees and Fort Laudreal. We had University

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Speaker 3: of Miami baseball. My family would make summer trips in

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Speaker 3: the Northeast. We go to Major League games, different ballparks.

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Speaker 3: But I fell in love with baseball listening to games

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Speaker 3: Marlins were around. WIOD would have Yankees games every night,

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Speaker 3: grew up with baseball on the radio and I just

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Speaker 3: the Norman Rockwellian image of a kid falling asleep listening

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Speaker 3: to a ball game. That's what I did growing up.

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Speaker 3: And I got into journalism in high school, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: I just thought, as much as I love baseball, I

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Speaker 3: to do it. When I was in high school in

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Speaker 3: stations in schools. There wasn't the opportunity to get broadcast

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Speaker 3: experience the way students have today. But when I finally

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Speaker 3: got to college at Northwestern, where I went to study journalism,

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Speaker 3: I got involved in day one with the student radio station,

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Speaker 3: talking about it. And you know, I started my bedroom

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Speaker 3: I'd have my baseball cards out if the Red Sox

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Speaker 3: i'd have statistical information and I broadcast the games in

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Speaker 3: my bedrooms. When I got to college and they had

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Speaker 3: auditions for the student radio station for you, Hey, I've

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Speaker 3: got a lot of experience doing this. I've been calling

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Speaker 3: for me, working in Triple A right out of school.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's actually a great point you bring up,

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Speaker 2: is how you ran your bedroom, you know, seven and eight,

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Speaker 2: And to me, I think your knowledge of the game,

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Speaker 2: much of an impact do you think just being seven

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Speaker 3: It made all the difference in the world. My parents

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Speaker 3: I read Lou Garrick biographies. I read about Moe Berg,

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Speaker 3: I read books like that. I read you know, the

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Speaker 3: But no question that passion for baseball developed at very

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Speaker 3: this day, those are very fond memories and they've you know,

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Speaker 3: it's been cool. Now this is my twenty ninth year

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Speaker 3: Over the years to have had the chance to then

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Speaker 3: It's been very special for me, no question about that.

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Speaker 2: And I kind of felt that same way what you

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Speaker 3: Well? You know what, there are players. There are broadcasters also,

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Speaker 3: because I grew up really listening and watching and studying

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Speaker 3: So I don't look at them as a fan anymore.

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Speaker 3: But it is nice to reflect back to me a kid.

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Speaker 3: because I'm older and they keep getting younger. But particularly

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you're you're bringing up a great

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Speaker 3: That's a great question, Tyler. The first thing I would say, uh,

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Speaker 2: And I believe you one hundred percent. I think you

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Speaker 3: around Pedro Martinez and Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz and

433
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Speaker 3: Nomar Garcia Para and players like that. You know, I

434
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Speaker 3: work with managers like Bruce Bochi and San Diego. My

435
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Speaker 3: whole time there with Terry Francona in Boston, Don Mattingly

436
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Speaker 3: here in Miami, Jack McKeon, during my time with Tomorrow,

437
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Speaker 3: it's Freddy Gonzalez. I learned a lot from you. Go

438
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Speaker 3: out down the line. You take things from everybody, but

439
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Speaker 3: it's knowing. I think what I find interesting, which might

440
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Speaker 3: be different than what somebody else finds interesting. I'm a

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Speaker 3: big information guy, but I also appreciate you don't want

442
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Speaker 3: to overwhelm people with numbers and statistics. You can use

443
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Speaker 3: numbers and stats to help tell a story, but people

444
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Speaker 3: would rather hear a story. They'd rather be given context

445
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Speaker 3: and perspective and anecdotes and something that Kurt Shillings said

446
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Speaker 3: to me in two thousand and four that makes sense

447
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Speaker 3: right now. So, you know, really a lot of it

448
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Speaker 3: is conversations I've had with people over the years that

449
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Speaker 3: you have as you develop relationships, and then you just

450
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Speaker 3: file stuff away and you find the right spot. And

451
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Speaker 3: it doesn't mean that I'll never use that nugget again.

452
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Speaker 3: There are a lot of things I will reuse. But

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Speaker 3: it's knowing when to fight the right spot to use something.

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Speaker 3: And part of it also is knowing when not to

455
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Speaker 3: force something in. You know, I hear a lot of

456
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Speaker 3: broadcasters who you can tell have done a lot of

457
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Speaker 3: preparation and it's the ninth inning of one one game,

458
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Speaker 3: and they're gonna force this note in even though it's

459
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Speaker 3: got nothing to do with what's going on right now.

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Speaker 3: You know. I think that's one of the improvements I've

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Speaker 3: made over the years, as I've realized you're just not

462
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Speaker 3: gonna get into everything that you have, and maybe you

463
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Speaker 3: use it tomorrow, or maybe use it the next time

464
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Speaker 3: you play against this opponent, or maybe you use it

465
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Speaker 3: in three years, or maybe you never use it. I

466
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Speaker 3: have things in my notes that have been in there

467
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Speaker 3: for a decade that I've never gotten to yet. And

468
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Speaker 3: maybe tomorrow will be the perfect day to use one

469
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Speaker 3: of those nuggets. Maybe it won't be. But there was

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Speaker 3: a great line Doc Emrick, the great hockey broadcaster, used

471
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Speaker 3: that I heard one time where you said, you do

472
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Speaker 3: all this preparation, and you know going in you're probably

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Speaker 3: only gonna use five percent of what you have. And

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Speaker 3: I would say, if even that, you never know which

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Speaker 3: five percent it's gonna be. So you still do all

476
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Speaker 3: that preparation every day, and then cumulatbly, when you do

477
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Speaker 3: it over enough years, you just build up this unbelieve

478
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Speaker 3: believable library of information and you hope that you're able

479
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Speaker 3: to apply it appropriately and that listeners like yourself appreciated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And so I have to ask, what's the

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Speaker 2: one nugget you've been holding on to that you just

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Speaker 2: you just gotta get out.

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, that's a good one. I actually used one

484
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Speaker 3: last night when Hun Jin Reu pitched. I had this

485
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Speaker 3: note about a movie called Mister Go that he made

486
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Speaker 3: a cameo appearance in South Korea. It was a three

487
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Speaker 3: D movie that was shot in twenty thirteen, and I

488
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Speaker 3: hadn't gotten to it during all his years with the Dodgers,

489
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Speaker 3: or even this first start with the Blue Jay's against

490
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Speaker 3: Us earlier this year. I got to tell the story

491
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Speaker 3: of Mister Go, this crazy movie about a gorilla that

492
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Speaker 3: winds up signing with the Dussan Bears and transforms the franchise,

493
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Speaker 3: and he made a cameo as himself in that movie.

494
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Speaker 3: Things like that that you just you know, sometimes they're

495
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Speaker 3: they're serious and times they're funny. Sometimes they're kind of

496
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Speaker 3: throwaway things. I've got some Philadelphia history type stuff that

497
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Speaker 3: I always think this trip into Philadelphia, I'm gonna use this.

498
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Speaker 3: I've never gotten to it. There's so many things. I

499
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Speaker 3: don't even know where to begin. But I like history

500
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Speaker 3: on top of liking baseball and big history guy, and

501
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Speaker 3: I like to be able to tie things in historically,

502
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Speaker 3: not just baseball history, but the fact that you know,

503
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Speaker 3: after John Wilke's Booth assassinated Lincoln and he was captured,

504
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Speaker 3: he was held prisoner right on the site where Nationals

505
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Speaker 3: Park stands today, and there was a thought at one

506
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Speaker 3: time that that piece of land had some sort of

507
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Speaker 3: jinks over it because John wilkes Booth had been held

508
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Speaker 3: prisoner there at one time. Little things like that that

509
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Speaker 3: certainly aren't the headline you lead off with in the

510
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Speaker 3: first inning. But there's a time and a place for everything,

511
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Speaker 3: and I like collecting that stuff and never knowing what

512
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna use it, because every game is different, and

513
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Speaker 3: in some games you use a ton of stuff. Some

514
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Speaker 3: games you use actually nothing that you did. But it's

515
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Speaker 3: kind of about having the feel for what's gonna fit,

516
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Speaker 3: what's gonna work when you use it. And to me,

517
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Speaker 3: that's a large part of the fund the whole process, just.

518
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Speaker 2: The solid flow and the listeners. You guys can't see it,

519
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Speaker 2: but behind Glenn, it's an entire bookshelf of just information,

520
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Speaker 2: looks like. And I have to ask, what's been your

521
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Speaker 2: favorite book that you think a listener that maybe was

522
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Speaker 2: aspiring to be a baseball historian that they should read

523
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Speaker 2: and that you learned a lot from.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's a good question. There are so many that

525
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Speaker 3: are so different. A book I just recently read during

526
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Speaker 3: the shutdown. It's not a history book, but it's a

527
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Speaker 3: book to me that's very important about baseball in twenty twenty.

528
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Speaker 3: It's called MVP Machine, and it's about the things that

529
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Speaker 3: players like Trevor Bauer, who is featured primarly in this book,

530
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Speaker 3: are doing to physically and analytically improve themselves in their games,

531
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Speaker 3: how hitters are developing, how pictures are developing. It's called

532
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Speaker 3: the MVP Machine. And I really enjoyed that book. Gave

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Speaker 3: me a lot of perspective on things that are going

534
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Speaker 3: on at drive Line and facilities like that, with private

535
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Speaker 3: hitting coaches who have transformed careers of players, like movie

536
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Speaker 3: Bets Justin Turner. That in the year twenty twenty, I

537
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Speaker 3: think is a very interesting book to read.

538
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Speaker 2: Because you can see it because, like you said, you've

539
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Speaker 2: been casting for twenty nine years, You've seen the shift

540
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Speaker 2: of the baseball from where, hey, we're going to do

541
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Speaker 2: defensive shifts. Hey, it's not really about line drives, you know,

542
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Speaker 2: or anymore, it's about hey we either home run or

543
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Speaker 2: strike up. You see the evolution of the sport of

544
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Speaker 2: just basketball. We're just information. Do you feel like baseball

545
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Speaker 2: is going along alongside that with just all the information

546
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Speaker 2: they have now, they're just trying to optimize everything they

547
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Speaker 2: possibly can on the field.

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Speaker 3: No question, Even not in the twenty nine years that

549
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Speaker 3: I've done this, but in the last five to ten years,

550
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Speaker 3: it's been transformed completely, and teams that were slow to

551
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Speaker 3: learn that were left behind quite honestly, and those who

552
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Speaker 3: were out front had a big advantage for a while.

553
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Speaker 3: Then everybody caught up. So now everybody is still trying

554
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Speaker 3: to figure out what's the next big thing that we

555
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Speaker 3: can uncover and have access to for anybody else reaches it.

556
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Speaker 3: So I've enjoyed that a lot. You know, there are

557
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Speaker 3: those including my who might question the enjoyment of the

558
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Speaker 3: style of play these days, when it's all the three

559
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Speaker 3: true outcomes home runs, strikeouts, and walks. To me, that's

560
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Speaker 3: not as enjoyable as watching a team play exciting baseball.

561
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Speaker 3: I love home runs, but I also love watching somebody

562
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Speaker 3: to triple. I love seeing a guy hit a single

563
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 3: and steal second and put pressure on defense with his speed.

564
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Speaker 3: But you're right to me, there's a fine line, though,

565
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Speaker 3: and particularly on the broadcast and especially on radio relative

566
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Speaker 3: to TV. You don't want to turn baseball into math class.

567
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Speaker 3: And while these numbers are great for evaluators, for general managers,

568
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Speaker 3: for scouting directors, for people in front offices to acquire

569
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Speaker 3: maybe undervalue talent, I don't want to hit the listener

570
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Speaker 3: over the head with statistics. At anytime I use I

571
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Speaker 3: have to explain what this stat means. You can do

572
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Speaker 3: that on TV a little bit more where the fan

573
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Speaker 3: can watch the action, but when you're talking between pitches

574
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Speaker 3: on radio, you can't spend a ton of time explaining

575
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Speaker 3: what FIP is every time you want to talk about

576
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Speaker 3: fielding independent pitching. It's a valuables to tip and it's

577
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Speaker 3: one I look at. But every time I use it

578
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Speaker 3: on the radio, I have to explain exactly what it means.

579
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Speaker 3: And you don't always have the time to do that.

580
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Speaker 3: So it's a fine line. But there's no doubt the

581
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Speaker 3: way the game is played has evolved. And look, you've

582
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Speaker 3: seen a dramatic change with the Marlins just the last

583
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Speaker 3: couple of years with a renewed or not even renewed,

584
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Speaker 3: but a first time focus on analytics and the kind

585
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Speaker 3: of players that they bring in. And there are lineup

586
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Speaker 3: optimization programs. Who are the nine best players for Donnie

587
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Speaker 3: to use in the lineup tonight? And it doesn't tell

588
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Speaker 3: you who should hit first, second, third, fourth, fifth, but

589
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Speaker 3: it does. These are the best nine guys, not just

590
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Speaker 3: because of their batter pitcher matchup numbers, against the opposing starter.

591
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Speaker 3: But because the opposing starter is this style of pitcher

592
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Speaker 3: and this type of hitter, while his numbers might not

593
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Speaker 3: be as good as another guy's, this type of hitter,

594
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Speaker 3: this individual hitter hits that type of picture better than

595
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Speaker 3: maybe that guy does. And so you try to optimize

596
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Speaker 3: your lineup on a nightly basis, you try to optimize

597
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Speaker 3: defensive positionings. He's talked about with shifts. It's interesting to watch.

598
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Speaker 3: I like the science behind it all. I'm not one

599
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Speaker 3: who says you should ban shift. To me, if you've

600
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Speaker 3: done the work, if you have the knowledge, you ought

601
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Speaker 3: to be able to take advantage of that. So it's

602
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Speaker 3: a big part of the game. And one of the

603
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Speaker 3: challenges for me in recent years has been how to

604
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Speaker 3: phase that into the broadcast. That overwhelming people too much

605
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Speaker 3: with numbers they may not have interesting, they may not

606
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Speaker 3: understand completely.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, honestly, you can look at Thefangrafts dot

608
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Speaker 2: Com whenever you search up a player and you have

609
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Speaker 2: fifty stats that are just ex FIP, you know fit,

610
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Speaker 2: you know expected el and stuff like that, and I

611
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 2: think it can overwhelm anyone sometimes whenever you just look

612
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: at fangrapts. You're like, wait, this is a new stat

613
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Speaker 2: I've never heard of, and now you have to research

614
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Speaker 2: a different one. And I like to think is baseball

615
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: and all sports just in general, it's like a yo, yo,

616
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Speaker 2: you're gonna throw it down or right now we're kind

617
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Speaker 2: of in the three true outcome. What do you think

618
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Speaker 2: baseball is going to be back, going to become when

619
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Speaker 2: it comes back? Like, what's the next transition for baseball?

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Speaker 3: That's a really interesting question, you know. I think a

621
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Speaker 3: couple of years ago you saw pictures having success pitching

622
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 3: up in the strike zone. That's kind of where things change.

623
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Speaker 3: Now you see hitters who've adapted because a launch angle,

624
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Speaker 3: it's hard to elevate a pitch that's up in the

625
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 3: strikes when guys are thinking about the swing path and

626
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 3: trying to elevate a pitch up, you just can't do

627
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: that most of the time. But now hitters have made

628
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Speaker 3: ajustice where they're laying off those pitches more, and pitchers

629
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Speaker 3: need to make and adjust. It's a constant game of adjustment.

630
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Speaker 3: I'm not really sure. I don't think I'm smart enough

631
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Speaker 3: to tell you, Tyler, what the next trend will be

632
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Speaker 3: It's a great question, and it's one that I got

633
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Speaker 3: to put some thought into. Maybe I'll get back next

634
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 3: time we do this and I'll have a better answer

635
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Speaker 3: for you. Man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I'm really curious because you just have

637
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 2: to see, you didn't expect the launch angle stuff to

638
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: appear the way and now you see pitchers the pitch

639
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 2: and the way they are and with the different balls

640
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Speaker 2: as that is, so you never know what exactly could change.

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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm always curious on what's next because what's

642
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: present right now is present, and you know, we have

643
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Speaker 2: to enjoy that and embrace that for what it is.

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Speaker 2: But what's coming it could be completely different. Because you're

645
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Speaker 2: seeing kids nowadays that are growing up with a drive line, baseball, etc.

646
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Speaker 2: Just maximizing everything they possibly can with information. Like I

647
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 2: was reading something the other day, the biggest pictures right

648
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: now are all taking piano lessons because piano it teaches

649
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: you to control of the fingers and strengthen your fingers

650
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: so you actually you're able to have a higher spin rate.

651
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: And so that's now coming up as the player. As

652
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: the pictures are starting to come up and you just

653
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: see it. There's a fourteen year old kid that we

654
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: haven't even heard about yet that is doing everything they

655
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: possibly can to maximize Do you think that's been just

656
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: a big change just in baseball as it is, as

657
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: all of these players that have just come up in

658
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: like the past ten years, they're learning and they're embracing

659
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: stats and sports science in a way that just no

660
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: one else really did.

661
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're playing travel ball at a young age now,

662
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 3: and they have access to rap Soto machines and things

663
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 3: like that. You know, at one point it was a

664
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 3: big time for a young kid to throw with a

665
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 3: radar gun, and now all of a sudden, they've got

666
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 3: all sorts of tracking devices for spin rate and things

667
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 3: like that. In a way, you say, it's almost too

668
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 3: much at certain ages. I also am a believer that

669
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 3: kids who grew up playing travel baseball exclusively and going

670
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 3: to the prospect showcases, to me, are at a disadvantage

671
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: relative to the kids who play football in the fall

672
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 3: and basketball in the winter and baseball in the spring.

673
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 3: And you know, maybe their bodies don't take the same beating.

674
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 3: If you're not pitching year round, you got more bullets

675
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 3: by the time you get to high school and college

676
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 3: and into professional baseball. There are skills that can be

677
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 3: developed playing basketball that can help you in baseball, just

678
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 3: like you said there are skills playing piano that can

679
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 3: help you playing baseball. I think it's sad that people

680
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 3: are putting all their eggs in the one basket these days,

681
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 3: but we are kind of getting to the point where

682
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 3: that generation of kids has reached the major leagues and

683
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 3: look a lot I'm gonna have a lot of success.

684
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 3: Others are gonna burn out or blowout and maybe won't

685
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: have success. And I do think you will still have

686
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 3: stories of people who played all three sports and who

687
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 3: are good base runners because they've got good first step

688
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 3: quickness from their time on the football field or on

689
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 3: the basketball court, or their basketball point guard reflex has

690
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 3: helped them in baseball one way or another. So you know,

691
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: to me, I'd rather see people who are more well rounded,

692
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: who are doing more different things. But you raise a

693
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 3: great point about the technology that's available, and when you

694
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 3: ask that question what's next, that's the exact question that's

695
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 3: being asked in thirty front offices today. And look, you've

696
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 3: seen different kinds of people coming into baseball front offices

697
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 3: for the last not even ten years, fifteen twenty years now,

698
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 3: it's not all old krusty baseball men. You've got your

699
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 3: Ivy leaguers. You got your people coming out of business

700
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 3: school who have different perspectives on things, and they're all

701
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 3: trying to figure out what is next. You have the

702
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 3: moneyball era. We've moved way beyond moneyball now. But what

703
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 3: team is going to come up with the next big

704
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 3: thing first and have that advantage for a couple of

705
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 3: years till somebody else figures it out. Maybe you'll be

706
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 3: the guy who figures it out, Tyler, But whoever is

707
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 3: is going to be very much in the spotlight for

708
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 3: a while.

709
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. But also to that kind of in the same way,

710
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: those same Ivy League people that are coming out of

711
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 2: business schools you're seeing, you're gonna see a little bit

712
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: of a difference because there's gonna be a yen and

713
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: the yang. So as they continue to do what they're doing,

714
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: they're trying to change the game. You have people like you.

715
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: You talk to Tony Gwinn, he's the hitt and guy

716
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 2: like he is. He is the mister Padre and he

717
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 2: understands everything about the fundamentals of hitting well. Those Ivy leaguers,

718
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: they're not going to understand that. They just look at

719
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: the numbers and they'd be like, you're right, right.

720
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 3: But the smart ones like theo Epstein, who I work

721
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 3: with for years, first in San Diego then Boston, also

722
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 3: surround themselves with really good baseball people, so you get

723
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 3: both sides of it, and that's how theo Epstein has

724
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: had the success that he's had over the years, and

725
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 3: others as well. But theel is the guy I know

726
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 3: the that group, and that's how you do it by

727
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 3: having all all the analytical answers but also all the

728
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 3: baseball answers, because more so than any sport, baseball is

729
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 3: about heart and grit and and human beings accomplishing things

730
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 3: that may be based on their size you wouldn't think

731
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 3: they could, or maybe based on their background you wouldn't

732
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 3: think they could. They can in baseball, and it's not

733
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: all about numbers. And they gotta come back to the

734
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 3: line I used earlier about baseball shouldn't be math class,

735
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 3: and the people who are evaluating talent the best don't

736
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 3: make it simply math class. You can use those numbers

737
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 3: to learn some things, no question, but you got to

738
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 3: put your eyes on players, and only by doing that

739
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 3: do you realize what you really have.

740
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's really unfortunate just about that, because people

741
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: need to watch the players, and you see the layoffs

742
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: with all the scouts all throughout baseball and all that,

743
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: and it's really unfortunate that we're losing that because you

744
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: never know what player might be missing. You know, you

745
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: always hear about Mike Trout coming from Millville, New Jersey,

746
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: and no one went to go see him because he

747
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: was buried in New Jersey. And so as we continue

748
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: to lose scouts, you know, I am a little trouble

749
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: though that we're gonna lose players like that that were

750
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: just never going to be seen. But hopefully with the

751
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: Internet and the prospect games and the showcase events, maybe

752
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 2: we'll be able to bring those out. But I think

753
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: you broughtup a great point that how important a healthy

754
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: balances in front offices. And you can see just the

755
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: front offices like Pittsburgh who they just didn't embrace stats

756
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 2: at all or anything, so they just kind of fell

757
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: apart and they all got collapsed. And I think you

758
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 2: bring up the great point of that of the balance

759
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 2: and as baseball continues to grow, and everything continues to evolve.

760
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: What do you think is the next opportunity for baseball

761
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 2: to embrace and how do you think they're going to

762
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: do it.

763
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 3: But it's an interesting question, you know, in talking about

764
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 3: players who emerge who might have fallen through the cracks,

765
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 3: when you hear that you're about to lose forty minor

766
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 3: league baseball affiliates. That's forty teams, fewer jobs for players

767
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 3: who might come out of nowhere and end up in

768
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 3: the big leagues as a seventeenth round draft pick or

769
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 3: as a ninth round draft pick. And we just saw

770
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 3: a lot of Jacob de Grond who was a ninth

771
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 3: round draft pick who's got out to have a pretty

772
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 3: good career for himself. We just had a five round

773
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: draft this year up the ground would not have been

774
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 3: drafted had he come out in the year twenty twenty.

775
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean he wouldn't signed somewhere. They're gonna do nothing, exactly.

776
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 3: And so with the minor leagues getting smaller, with the

777
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: draft getting shorter, you're gonna miss out on some opportunities

778
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 3: for some people. And that's unfortunate, and I think we've

779
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: seen for years simply because the nature of baseball in

780
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 3: the years in the minor leagues, a lot of athletes

781
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 3: who could make a choice between playing football or basketball,

782
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 3: or baseball or choosing other sports. And that's unfortunate for baseball.

783
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 3: But you know, I do think you're at a point

784
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 3: where teams do understand the need to strike that balance

785
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 3: between the analytics and what you see with your eyes.

786
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 3: What's next? Stuff. You keep asking me those questions, Tyler,

787
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 3: and they're really throwing me for a loop. I don't

788
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 3: know where you go next. You know, we've seen a

789
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 3: lot of tweaks to the way the game has played

790
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 3: on the field with some of the new rules this year,

791
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 3: some of which I like, some of which I don't like.

792
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 3: But for me, the changes I'm looking for are the

793
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 3: ones that might have less to do with how you

794
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 3: put a team together and more to do with how

795
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 3: you keep people around this country interested in baseball and

796
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 3: watching in ballparks in person or on TV or listening

797
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 3: on the radio. How you rebuild a fan base that

798
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 3: has gotten smaller, It's gotten older over the years, and

799
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 3: when a fan base gets older, it means eventually it

800
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 3: goes away. How do you get more young people interested

801
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 3: in playing baseball, and in watching baseball and becoming baseball fans,

802
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 3: becoming the next generation of fans. How do you improve

803
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: TV ratings? How do you get more people in the

804
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 3: seats in ballparks? And part of that is the style

805
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 3: of play, I think, and the way the game looks

806
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 3: on the field right now, and those are areas where

807
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 3: I think sometimes you can get a little bit too cute.

808
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 3: I don't like the three batter minimum rule, for example,

809
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 3: which is supposed to speed up the game. To me,

810
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: it's not about speeding up the game. There's difference time

811
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 3: of game and pace of play. And when you see

812
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 3: pitches who aren't throwing strikes, and when innings drag on

813
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 3: forever and every at bat is a three to two count,

814
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: that's a slow game. The pace of play is slow,

815
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 3: and that's when people lose interest, and when the inning

816
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 3: ends they flip over to something different. I'd like to

817
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: see umpires call more strikes, make hitters go to the

818
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 3: plate and swing the bat. That's how you speed the

819
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 3: game up. If you expand the strikes zone just a

820
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 3: little bit, make hitters have to be more aggressive, and

821
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 3: to me, that makes for more action. If I want

822
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 3: to see a ball hitting the gap. I want to

823
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 3: see a great defensive play. I don't want to see

824
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 3: walk walk, fielder's choice, strike down, pop up innings over.

825
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody wants to see that stuff. So

826
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 3: I think there are things that baseball can do to

827
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 3: make the game more enjoyable to watch. It makes a

828
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 3: better on field product, and I think, really for me,

829
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 3: that's the priority right now in terms of moving forward

830
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 3: for baseball. How do you make the game more enjoyable

831
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 3: for the consumer because a lot of people have lost

832
00:37:58,760 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 3: interest in the spot unfortunately.

833
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: I think there's some players out there that have kind

834
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: of helped with that, like a Fernando Tattists junior. He's

835
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 2: just got the baseball world on fire because he's a lecturer.

836
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: Even when I was at San Diego last year I

837
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 2: saw him playing a game, I'm like, Wow, this kid

838
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: is special. Like every time he was at bat or

839
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: he was in the field, you just had to watch it.

840
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: And honestly, they have a great clubhouse culture there, But

841
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 2: also on the other side of the country in Miami,

842
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 2: I think they also have another culture that is just

843
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 2: fun to watch. You watch players like Hazus Agular and

844
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: players like Jazz Chisholm who just got called up. They

845
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 2: kind of have that same energy where it's just like

846
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 2: about fun. They just want to have fun while they're

847
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 2: in the game. And like, how important do you think

848
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 2: that clubhouse culture has advanced just from the past couple

849
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 2: of years in which you've seen it kind of different teams,

850
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: But now you see the future of the team, the brightness,

851
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 2: and you just see that the clubhouse culture has changed

852
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,479
Speaker 2: from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty.

853
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 3: It's completely different. And look, I know the people who

854
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 3: read the stuff you write and read this stuff on

855
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 3: Fish Stripes and listen to these podcasts are sophisticated Marlins fans,

856
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: and so they're going to understand and what I say here,

857
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 3: some will find it quite controversial and will hate it. Look,

858
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 3: we all know this team had some tremendous players on

859
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 3: it in the past, and we all hated see gian

860
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 3: Carlos Stanton go and Marcelo is doing to go, and

861
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 3: Christian Yelich go and j t Romuto go, and more

862
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 3: than anything, Jose Fernandez passed away. But that group of guys,

863
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, the whole seemed to be less than

864
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 3: the sum of the parts. Now you've got a very

865
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 3: different makeup in that clubhouse, and the whole is greater

866
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: than the sum of the parts. And that's not to

867
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 3: say that with six Dos Sanchez and with Leywin Diaz,

868
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: and with Jazz Chisholm and some of these guys coming along,

869
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 3: they're not going to be every bit as good and

870
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 3: spectacular as some of the other guys I named were.

871
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 3: But this young, inexperienced team that most people thought was

872
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 3: going to finish last and was going to be one

873
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 3: of the probably four or five worst teams in baseball

874
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 3: this year, has found a way to stay right in

875
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 3: the thick of the race this year. And a big

876
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 3: part of it is the culture, the personality this ball club,

877
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 3: the kind of players, not just the talent level, but

878
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 3: the type of personalities that this group has brought in.

879
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 3: And we're watching it transform right before our very eyes now.

880
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 3: When you have talented players, high level talents, who are

881
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 3: also those kind of character people and those kind of

882
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 3: clubhouse presences, that's when you get something that's really really special.

883
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 3: That's how you do what the Yankees did during their

884
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 3: unbelievable run during the Core four era. That's how the

885
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 3: Braves did what they did during their remarkable run fourteenth

886
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 3: straight division championships. That's a large part of how the

887
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: Red Sox did what they did over their sustained run.

888
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 3: And that's the marketers trying to do here and not

889
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 3: just build it up to win one time, but to

890
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 3: go to spring trading every year knowing we have a

891
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,439
Speaker 3: chance to be in the playoffs and things aren't gonna

892
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 3: always have injuries, some other team's gonna have some magical run,

893
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 3: but more times than not, you're gonna have a really

894
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 3: good shot to be playing meaningful games at the end

895
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 3: of the seas because you've built an organization that is

896
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 3: deep and talented, with high character guys and guys who

897
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 3: are gonna overachieve, not underachieve. And that's what we're seeing

898
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 3: this year with this group of guys. And look, this

899
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 3: isn't a finished product yet. Twenty twenty has been fun

900
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 3: and exciting, enjoyable to watch, but I'm telling you twenty

901
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 3: twenty one is gonna be better, and twenty twenty two

902
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 3: is gonna better than that. There are still a lot

903
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 3: of growing pains going on here. We've see some guys

904
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 3: come up and not perform well and get sent back

905
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 3: and hope is they'll come back better at some point.

906
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 3: But when you think about the talent that has been

907
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 3: brought in here, and then you see the kind of

908
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 3: character these guys have and the culture that Don Mattingly

909
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 3: has developed, it's really special. It's got a chance to

910
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 3: be really, really exciting for a long time to come.

911
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 2: Here, and I think that's been the number one thing.

912
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: I think in twenty seventeen, they started, you know, the

913
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: new ownership. They started the process in which they had

914
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 2: to get rid of everything, and it's unfortunate, but as

915
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: you said, it is what it is, and they wanted

916
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: to go in a different direction. But hey, we're in

917
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 2: twenty twenty now, and as you said, the future it

918
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: only looks bright, and it's hard to say that the

919
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 2: ownership didn't go in the right direction because they're I

920
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 2: like to think in twenty seventeen they started the foundation

921
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: of the house and now we're in twenty twenty and

922
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 2: we're starting to see the first levels of that house

923
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: actually coming to fruition. And as you said, the future

924
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 2: is only gonna get brighter in the house is only

925
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 2: going to get bigger, and hopefully this is a dynasty

926
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: and the number one thing that every player I've ever

927
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 2: talked to is always the same thing. And as you said,

928
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 2: they're always high character guys. Whenever I used to work

929
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 2: out with Alex Vezi, he would always say, I'm a

930
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 2: gym rat, but guess what, so is everyone else. We're

931
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: all the same way.

932
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 3: And that's how that's how Alex Vesia goes from being

933
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 3: a four year guy to Division III school to you know,

934
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 3: being a middle round draft pick to be in the

935
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 3: big leagues in no time because of the work ethic,

936
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: because of the kind of guy he is. And that's

937
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 3: a credit to him, and it's a credit to the

938
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 3: scout who saw him and said, you know what, I

939
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 3: think this guy's got a chance to be a big

940
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 3: leaguer even though he's not playing in the SEC and

941
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 3: he's not gonna be a first round pick. But but

942
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 3: you put enough of those guys together and that's how

943
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 3: you build something special. And I thought you use a

944
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 3: great analogy talking about building a house. I feel like

945
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 3: this year we're actually starting to move into the house,

946
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 3: and we're not everything's not done yet. They're still doing

947
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 3: a little painting in this corner and the appliances are

948
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 3: still being added to the kitchen or whatever. And once

949
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 3: you move into house, it takes a while to feel

950
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 3: comfortable to make it your home. But I think this

951
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 3: year we've kind of taken that step where we've begun

952
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 3: it a little bit and we like our new neighborhood

953
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 3: and we see that the schools are great and we're

954
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 3: gonna have a lot of fun here in the future.

955
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 3: We're not all the way there yet, but I thought

956
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 3: that was a good analogy that you made. O.

957
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 4: Little Marte is hit high and deep to left center field,

958
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 4: way back, Gurriel at the wall, goodbye. In his first

959
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 4: games of Marlin Starling, Marte go ahead home run on

960
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 4: the bottom of the eighth and it's three two Miami.

961
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 3: And again it's credit to Derek Jeter, the tone that

962
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: he set the Captain's camp work, turning guys into leaders,

963
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: responsible community citizens, guys who want to be role modeled.

964
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 3: Guys are gonna go out and play hard, get the

965
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 3: most out of their ability. Look at Miguel Rojas, who

966
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 3: Miguel Rojas is the face of your team, with the

967
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 3: work ethic he has, the personality that he has. This

968
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 3: is a guy who years ago was told, Okay, you're

969
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 3: a late into defensive replacement, maybe you can stick around

970
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 3: as a utility guy. And that wasn't good enough for

971
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,439
Speaker 3: Miguel Rojas, and he's turned himself into a very good,

972
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 3: everyday major league shortstop and it's inspiring for guys around him.

973
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 3: And he learned a lot from our team Prattle during

974
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 3: Prodo's years. Years now, Prado retires and Miggy is the

975
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 3: leader of that clubhouse and he's passing lessons on to

976
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 3: the next generation of guys. It's a really neat thing

977
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 3: to be a part of.

978
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 2: And I know you had to get out here, so

979
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: I'll let you go down with a great quote here.

980
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: What do you think?

981
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 3: How?

982
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 2: What do you think is going to If I had

983
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: to give you one word to describe the twenty twenty

984
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: to twenty thirty Marlins, what word would you use.

985
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 3: Wow, twenty twenty twenty thirty, I would say consistent. I

986
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 3: would say this is going to be a team that,

987
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 3: over the next decade, will consist show up at Spring

988
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 3: training with a chance to the playoffs. And it doesn't

989
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 3: mean you win the World Series every year, but you're

990
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 3: going to get to a few of them, and hopefully

991
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 3: you win a couple of them. I think Consistency is

992
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 3: what you're going to see, and that's something this organization

993
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 3: is never in its history had from year to year,

994
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 3: from decade to decade. The rosters always changing, Ownership is changing,

995
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 3: gms are changing, managers are changing, hitting coaches are changing.

996
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 3: Players certainly are changing. I think you're going to see

997
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 3: stability and consistency here for the next decade this franchise

998
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 3: has never had. And you go back and look at

999
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 3: the teams that have won over sustained periods of times,

1000
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 3: it's because they've been consistent. Personnel, front office, decision makers, philosophy,

1001
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 3: they've been consistent. And that's what the Marlins have built

1002
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 3: and that's what we're going to see play out now

1003
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 3: over the course of the next decade.

1004
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 2: I think that is a great and powerful message to

1005
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: end off here. And I'd like to thank you so

1006
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 2: much for joining us and given all the information that

1007
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: you've given the Fish Stripes listeners, and I would just

1008
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: like to say thank you for everything in the broadcast

1009
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 2: booth and joining us today.

1010
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 3: Tyler, thank you for all that you do covering this team,

1011
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 3: for everybody at Fish Stripes and the folks who read

1012
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 3: your stuff and listen to your stuff, I feel like

1013
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 3: Marlin's Nation gets a bum wrap because I know what

1014
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 3: the tenant's numbers have been over the years. I get it,

1015
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 3: but I know there is a core group of people

1016
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 3: very devoted to this franchise, a core group that, whether

1017
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 3: they bought into what Derek Jeter was doing from day

1018
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 3: one or over time have evolved, I know they get it.

1019
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 3: And as excited as I'll be when this team gets

1020
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 3: over the hump and wins for Derek, for Michael Hill,

1021
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 3: for Don Mattenley, for the players, I think about a

1022
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 3: lot of the fans who are probably listening to this conversation,

1023
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 3: and I'll be more excited for those people who are

1024
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 3: stuck with this team through all the ups and downs

1025
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 3: that I will be for anybody else, and hopefully that

1026
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 3: they's not very far off.

1027
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. I hope not either. And I hope that we Hey,

1028
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 2: I hope we can come out and win a couple

1029
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: of games more.

1030
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining us, all right, Tyler,

1031
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 3: this is fun. Thank you.

1032
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: D