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Speaker 1: breakingpoints dot com. Hello everybody. I hope you're enjoying our

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Speaker 1: State of the Union content that we brought everyone yesterday. However,

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Speaker 1: there is another major event that bears addressing on behalf

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Speaker 1: of the Breaking Points community. You might have noticed we

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Speaker 1: were on the Joe Rogan experience and Joe actually brought

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Speaker 1: up what happened with ilhan Omer eilhat Omar her removal

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Speaker 1: In the course of that discussion, he made a joke,

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Speaker 1: a joke which is, let's just say, not being well received.

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Speaker 1: We are going to play the full context for all

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Speaker 1: of you and then break down the ensuing controversy that

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Speaker 1: has embroiled all of us here at breaking points. Let's

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Speaker 1: take a listen to the clip. First, I just saw

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Speaker 1: like Nancy Pelosi is endorsing Adam Schiff for California. When

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Speaker 1: you read through the way that man lied to the

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Speaker 1: he should be should be like in prison for perjury,

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Speaker 1: not being bolstered by one of the most powerful women

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Speaker 1: she's apologizing for talking about it's all about the Benjamins, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: which is just about money she's talking about apologized, that's

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Speaker 1: an anti Semitic statement. I don't think that is. It's

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Speaker 1: about Benjamin's or money. You know, the idea that Jewish

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Speaker 1: people are not into money is ridiculous. Listen, It's like

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Speaker 1: There's a very obvious reason why for my entire life,

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Speaker 1: there's been a uniparty consensus around our policy visa VI

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Speaker 1: real loss that she got kicked off that guy. Get

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Speaker 1: she Whether you agree with her or not, she has

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Speaker 1: There's many people that have that opinion, and they should

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Speaker 1: many people have decided to use a bad faith view

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Speaker 1: boo boo boom, it strikes me as so ingenuous, like

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Speaker 1: just say, yes, this is our position, and we would

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Speaker 1: like to debate that on the merits and we would

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Speaker 1: like to defend the position of cutting solid security. They

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Speaker 1: get so weasily about it, and that's what was driving

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Speaker 1: me crazy. I was screaming about it here in the

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Speaker 1: studio when we were watching that. So the thing that

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Speaker 1: he's referring to specifically when he talks about like sunsetting

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Speaker 1: these provisions was what Senator Rick Scott, who was in

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Speaker 1: charge of the Republican Senatorial Right campaigns this time around,

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Speaker 1: so not like an instant significant player, it was part

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Speaker 1: of the plan that he put out. And this was

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Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell was basically like, shut the f up, we

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Speaker 1: don't want to talk about that. We're trying to run

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Speaker 1: on nothing here and just like bash the mon inflation.

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Speaker 1: So this is not without basis. And you've had other

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Speaker 1: Republicans also talking about the dead ceiling, talking about cuts

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Speaker 1: to entitlements. You have had some others who say no, no,

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Speaker 1: we don't want to do that. Donald Trump obviously said like,

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Speaker 1: this is off the table. But what's sort of more

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Speaker 1: interesting to me is I feel like in previous eras

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Speaker 1: in the Mitt Romney Paul Ryan era, they were much

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Speaker 1: more comfortable owning the fact that they really wanted to

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Speaker 1: cut social Security in medicare. Like if Obama had said

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Speaker 1: that at a State of the Union, they would have

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Speaker 1: been like, yes, we do, and here's our plan, and

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Speaker 1: here's Paul Ryan with the PowerPoint of how he's going

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Speaker 1: to do it. And so I mean, this is another

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Speaker 1: way that even though you still have a lot of

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Speaker 1: the same ideology, even though many of them still are

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Speaker 1: committed to it, would like to cut social Security and Medicare,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera, the fact that they're offended that

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Speaker 1: this is suggested about them, that they want to cut

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Speaker 1: these programs represents a pretty remarkable shift in terms of

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party and what they want to publicly put forward.

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Speaker 1: What do you think of that, Marshall, Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: that's a great way to put it. In Crystal, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the core thing, as you guys are particularly, this really

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Speaker 1: reminds me of the defund the police debate in terms

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Speaker 1: of like how you could identify our vulnerable area. So

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Speaker 1: think of defund. Back in twenty twenty, there were some

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Speaker 1: Democrats who were very defund. There are plenty of modern

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Speaker 1: Democrats who weren't vulnerable. You can take the more extreme

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Speaker 1: position as the party's trying to figure it out, and

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Speaker 1: that's as a as an attack point. That's basically what's

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Speaker 1: happening with social Security. Back in the two thousands. I

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Speaker 1: think of when George W. Bush tried to reform slash cut,

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Speaker 1: slash privatize social Security after one re election in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and five. Like back then, the party consensus was

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Speaker 1: that this is what we do. We fight against the

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Speaker 1: new deal. We're fighting against the great society that's our party.

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Speaker 1: After the social Security privatization failed, after Paul Ryan flopped

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Speaker 1: as a VP, and then after Trump then ran in

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Speaker 1: favor of social Security and in favor of Medicare Medicare. Also,

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Speaker 1: when you need to add the failure of the repeal

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Speaker 1: oh Obamacare, Republicans genuinely don't know what to think. And

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Speaker 1: I think, as you see. And the thing that's funny, Kyle,

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Speaker 1: I get your pointbout need to have a fair debate.

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Speaker 1: And I agree with you most of the time, but

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Speaker 1: like Jdvans, for example, Jadvans like, actually wouldn't be in

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Speaker 1: favor of cutting social Security. He came out, I don't

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Speaker 1: think he's I don't think he's the I don't think

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Speaker 1: he's the best. I don't think he's the majority of

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Speaker 1: the party. But especially with younger Republicans who were basically

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Speaker 1: grown up in an America that's accepted the New Deal,

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Speaker 1: but it's accepted social Security, it's actually not quite clear

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Speaker 1: what the actual position is, which is why it's perfect

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Speaker 1: for Joe Biden to attack in that direction. I completely

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Speaker 1: agree with that. Characters. The defund is exactly right right,

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Speaker 1: which is one of those they're like, no, no no, no,

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Speaker 1: what we want to do is raise the retirement age,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, well, okay, well you know you're still

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Speaker 1: when you're already within that heuristic, it's like, it's not

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Speaker 1: going to be good for you. Just so people know,

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Speaker 1: cutting social Security and Medicare is probably up there with

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Speaker 1: defund the police and affirmative action as the least popular

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Speaker 1: things that you could actually try and do in politics.

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Speaker 1: Hence why he beats him over the head with the

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Speaker 1: club with it, which is exactly what I would do.

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Speaker 1: I was surprised that he didn't have been mention abortion

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Speaker 1: more in the speech. My count was a single line.

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Speaker 1: It came let's say, like two thirds or so into that.

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Speaker 1: I was pretty shocked by that. Actually, that's something I

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Speaker 1: would have led with if I was president. So I

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Speaker 1: just want to say, look, I hope I'm wrong, but

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Speaker 1: we just saw with this whole fight with getting Kevin

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Speaker 1: MacArthur to be speaker, there was a whole fight, and

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Speaker 1: there were was a right flank that was pushing back

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Speaker 1: against him. And one of the things they settled on

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Speaker 1: is we're going to have a debt ceiling showdown. And

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Speaker 1: our whole position in the debt ceiling showdown is we

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Speaker 1: want to force cuts to Social Security and Medicare. So

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Speaker 1: I think the overwhelming majority of the party is going

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Speaker 1: to be on board with that. Now, whether or not,

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Speaker 1: you know, I hope Biden is telling the truth when

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Speaker 1: he's like, I'm not going to do some sort of

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Speaker 1: grand bargain. I'm not going to cut it at all.

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Speaker 1: But I think the predominant position in the Republican Party

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Speaker 1: is let's cut it. Well, I'm not so sure, because

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Speaker 1: remember that's only seventeen people right who tried to extract

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Speaker 1: that those are like the Tea Party of Freedom Caucus

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Speaker 1: die hards. What the look the majority? I genuinely have

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Speaker 1: no idea. I do not know if you were to

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Speaker 1: ask me my gut feeling, I think most of them

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Speaker 1: would say what I said, something around like they want

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Speaker 1: to raise the retirement age, but of course we don't.

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Speaker 1: But that's cutting. That's the cutting. Yeah, I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is like, that is what I think

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Speaker 1: most of them. They don't. They don't want their position

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Speaker 1: to be characterized as cutting, disingenuous and different. That's the line, right,

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Speaker 1: But that is even just them not wanting their position

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Speaker 1: to be characterized that way is very different. Oh and

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Speaker 1: of course the fact that I mean Joe Biden was

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Speaker 1: part of the Obama administration that actually put a deal

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Speaker 1: on the table that would have cut social Security and

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Speaker 1: now clear and he you know, over the course of

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Speaker 1: his career a number of times talked about cutting social Security.

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Speaker 1: So it does show you the way that the politics

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Speaker 1: around this issue have clearly shifted. Now, one thing I

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Speaker 1: think that's really important to say is that in terms

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Speaker 1: of the big money institutions, within the Republican Party, like

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Speaker 1: the think tanks and you know, the coke industry, the

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Speaker 1: coke network. They still are very much looking for every

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Speaker 1: opportunity they can possibly find to cut these programs, and

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Speaker 1: that matters a lot. I think they want to have

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Speaker 1: their cake and eat it too. They want to like

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Speaker 1: piss on people and say it's raining. So they want

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Speaker 1: to do the debt ceiling thing, force the cuts, and

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Speaker 1: then go, oh, we're not cut, we're just performing it,

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Speaker 1: we're saving it. So that's that's what they've that's their game.

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Speaker 1: That's what their game has been for a long time.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's the goal. It's not like they're

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Speaker 1: actually becoming more moderate on it because they're afraid toledge

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Speaker 1: with their actual positions. They recognize how toxic and terrible

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Speaker 1: the politics are for them. They recognize that they cannot

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Speaker 1: be out and out being like, yes, we want to

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Speaker 1: cut social Security because they have realized that that is

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Speaker 1: devastating for them. I want to pick up saga on

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Speaker 1: what you were saying, because that was something I noted too.

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Speaker 1: You know, in advance, you were saying like, okay, here's

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Speaker 1: the formula, yes, economics, but clearly the stop the steal

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Speaker 1: stuff in January sixth and abortion, like that's what won

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Speaker 1: the midterm, so he's going to lean into that. He

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Speaker 1: really didn't both he closed with democracy. He closed with

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Speaker 1: January sixth. Paul Pelosi with abortion was also in the

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Speaker 1: latter part of the speech, but the part that really

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Speaker 1: counts in terms of what they're you know, focused on

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Speaker 1: and what the message they want to take away. It

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Speaker 1: really was loaded up with economics, and I was also

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Speaker 1: surprised that you had very little mention of abortion ultimately

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Speaker 1: in this speech. I mean, the two themes that he

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Speaker 1: leaned into very heavily to start with was the side

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Speaker 1: idea of like, I'm the guy who can work with anyone, bipartisanship,

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Speaker 1: let's get things done for the American people, and then

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Speaker 1: laying out the case of what he thinks he's delivered

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Speaker 1: and what he still wants to do now. One challenge

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Speaker 1: for him is the fact that we were looking at

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Speaker 1: a poll before the speech, very few people say they

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Speaker 1: feel like they've been impacted by the Biden agenda. So

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Speaker 1: you know, whereas I think, if you're over selling the

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Speaker 1: economy and the rosy picture of the economy, you're going

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Speaker 1: to have a hard time. There probably is some benefit

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Speaker 1: you can get just from selling here's the things we did,

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Speaker 1: and going down the list and trying to persuade people

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Speaker 1: that know, actually we have been doing some stuff. What

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Speaker 1: do you think, Marshall, Yeah, I think it's I just

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Speaker 1: want to go back to a quick thing you said

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Speaker 1: about the lack of focus on the abortion and the

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Speaker 1: democracy thing, Like maybe I think this kind of goes

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Speaker 1: to my early comment about how I'd be curious about

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden's like political analysis here, and it seems to

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Speaker 1: be the political analysis is that you need to move

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Speaker 1: on from twenty twenty two, like you're going to reach

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Speaker 1: those heights, you're going to be successful that midterm. But

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Speaker 1: maybe that's just not going to be successful running on

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Speaker 1: that retread when it comes to twenty twenty three, Like

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Speaker 1: there could be an instinct of like, man, we're going

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Speaker 1: to still like you're still talking about that. It's not

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Speaker 1: for grabs as much. So Yeah, I'm really I'm really

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Speaker 1: curious how the right responds to the economic stuff, especially soccer,

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Speaker 1: to your point about how Biden and Team Biden are

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Speaker 1: clearly taking the like Made in America compete with China

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Speaker 1: bit that Trump added so that, especially given the I

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Speaker 1: think attempt to bring these back to the culture wars

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Speaker 1: is going to be interesting ship there. Yeah, I already

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Speaker 1: know what they're gonna do. They're gonna go culture war.

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Speaker 1: They're going to criticize them on the border, and they're

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Speaker 1: just not going to talk about econ because that's how

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Speaker 1: it goes anyway. Kyle, let's get our last thoughts from

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Speaker 1: you before we bring in Ryan and Ryan and Emily. Sure. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I wanted to point out the fentanyl line from Biden.

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Speaker 1: So he's over there talking about fentanyl and you have

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Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green and other start screaming at him. And

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Speaker 1: I heard somebody say China, yes, and then somebody say

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Speaker 1: like it's your fault or something like that. To be fair,

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Speaker 1: the vast majority of the fentanyl comes from China. So okay,

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Speaker 1: I know I understand it, but I always get super

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Speaker 1: triggered over this because I feel like the approach from

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Speaker 1: many people is just brain dead. Because Chris and I

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Speaker 1: have talked about this, about thirty thousand people a year

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Speaker 1: die from overdoses. When it was the pain pills. Then

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Speaker 1: we cracked down on the pain pills with all the

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Speaker 1: good intentions in the world, and then people went to

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Speaker 1: the black market and they got heroin. Some of that

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Speaker 1: heroin was least with fentanyl, and now we have about

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Speaker 1: one hundred thousand people dying every year. So it's this

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Speaker 1: like the tyranny of good intentions in a sense, because

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Speaker 1: if I were to tell somebody like Marjorie Taylor Green, like,

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Speaker 1: hey man, we need to legalize, tax and regulate drugs

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Speaker 1: in order to get past this whole fentinyl crisis, you'd

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Speaker 1: be like, you're insane. That would add to the problem. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's a fair point. I think

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Speaker 1: it's also a fair point to say, like, there is

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Speaker 1: a lot of fentanyl coming across the border, and from

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Speaker 1: what I've seen, they've said that actually, if you did

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Speaker 1: at least have some more enforcement that was happening there,

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Speaker 1: it would make it much harder and raise the price,

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Speaker 1: which would increase actually the amount of pure heroin. Now

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's necessarily a good thing. What I'm

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Speaker 1: saying is it's complicated. I also would remind you we

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Speaker 1: have to talk about what's in the realm of the possible,

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Speaker 1: and in that, what was it in the polling data

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Speaker 1: that we had there, which which one is that if

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Speaker 1: we have that element, is that a three? Can we

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Speaker 1: go ahead and put that up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Pre research, I think cracking down on illegal drugs was

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Speaker 1: at like fifty seven percent, So I mean, the public

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Speaker 1: is just not there whenever it comes to now I

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Speaker 1: understand that like legalizing there it is, reducing the availability

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Speaker 1: of illegal drugs is right there at fifty three percent.

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Speaker 1: Biden also doesn't get credit though, when he'd a lot

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Speaker 1: of Biden gets a lot of shots from his left

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Speaker 1: on the border because he's continued a lot of the

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Speaker 1: Trump policies on the border. So he does a lot

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Speaker 1: of the things Trump has done. And it's not like

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Speaker 1: anybody on the right goes, hey, we agree with you

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Speaker 1: on this one. Fella, Well you're talking about like he's

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Speaker 1: not doing it. They act like he's in favor of

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Speaker 1: open borders or something. Well, you're talking about migrants. So

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Speaker 1: to be Fair's administration has tried to end majority of

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Speaker 1: those policies in court. And it's only after they weren't

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Speaker 1: able to end those administration policies in court that they

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Speaker 1: ended up keeping. They not only kept him, they expanded them.

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Speaker 1: Well then they also there has been a fentanyl seizures

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Speaker 1: at the border, There's been a number of there's been some.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's not trying to see. My point is, Look,

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Speaker 1: we can keep going round and round in circles trying

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Speaker 1: to do the same policy that's not working, or you

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Speaker 1: can do the actual solution. But she's not interested in

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Speaker 1: a real solution. She's interested in yelling at Biden in

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Speaker 1: the middle of a speech when he's talking about a

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Speaker 1: very serious issue like fentomyl I don't think to get

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Speaker 1: serious on it. Two, I don't think anyone on this

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Speaker 1: stream has claimed Marjorie is interested in and neither is there.

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Speaker 1: We perhaps can can close this out with a something

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Speaker 1: that will unify us in the spirit of what Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden wanted to bring, which is both Kirsten Cinema and

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Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green apparently dressed like it was the Hunger Kid. Yes,

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Speaker 1: what is going on? Since the wearing some yellow, big

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Speaker 1: bird ass looking thing, people will have all kinds of

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Speaker 1: memes and Marjorie Taylor Green and some white fur she

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Speaker 1: looks like from lying lying the witch in the relevant wardrobe.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I'm gonna break my cursing thing This

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Speaker 1: is driving me insane. What the fuck is going on?

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Speaker 1: Like kirston Cinema literally is dressing like she's going to

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Speaker 1: the goddamn met Gala after presiding over the Senate in

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Speaker 1: a T shirt with a heart on it. She is

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Speaker 1: solely responsible for breaking a lot of female dress code

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Speaker 1: that is there. And I blame her for Marjorie looking

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Speaker 1: like she's literally in the Hunger Games or lying the Witch.

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Speaker 1: And there I am losing my goddamn mind over here,

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Speaker 1: Marjorie over the collapse of dress code. Go ahead, Marshall,

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Speaker 1: is that if we're gonna, if we're gonna, if we're

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Speaker 1: gonna rank, I think we have to say, George Santos

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Speaker 1: orange tie isn't great. I think Marjorie, I think margin. Well,

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Speaker 1: let me put it this way. I think Marjorie' is

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Speaker 1: more compelling than Kirsten Cinema. Is it this way? Like?

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Speaker 1: If Marjorie showed up in yoga pants and a T

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Speaker 1: shirt and you met at a coffee shop, she would

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Speaker 1: still like have like a lot of like main character

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Speaker 1: energy to her. I really think kirstin Cinema is someone

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Speaker 1: who accessorizes to make up for the fact that she's

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Speaker 1: just like boring. Very I think that's insightful, insightful comments. Okay,

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Speaker 1: everybody stick with us. Just give us five minutes. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna switch the chairs out. We're gonna have Ryan and

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Speaker 1: Emily in here. Thank you all so much for support

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Speaker 1: control room. Let's throw the graphic up there and we'll

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Speaker 1: start mishall tyles a fantastic job. Thanks for listening. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're back. Thank you everybody for sticking with us. Look

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Speaker 1: at that wide shot we got Ryan and Emily here,

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Speaker 1: We got counterpoints, which is in the house. If this

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Speaker 1: were any other time, we would be doing a little

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Speaker 1: bit of camera adjustment. But this is what looks like

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Speaker 1: when it's live. When we have a brand new, beautiful

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Speaker 1: studio that you premium subs are helping us with, it

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Speaker 1: will be different, we promise. Okay, so people have heard

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Speaker 1: us talk a little bit. Now, Ryan, Emily, you guys

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Speaker 1: watch the speech with us. What do you guys think? Ryan,

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Speaker 1: you go first? All right. I mean, the thing that's

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Speaker 1: most important to me about this is that it is

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Speaker 1: the launch of his presidential campaign. So you're really not

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Speaker 1: going to make a whole lot of policy, and you're

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Speaker 1: not going to make a lot of you're not going

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Speaker 1: to move the needle on public opinion and really on

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Speaker 1: the ground or in the room. Except for that Medicare

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Speaker 1: thing and Medicare and security thing, which was absolutely remarkable.

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Speaker 1: We want to talk more about that in a minute.

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Speaker 1: But if this is what he's going to run on,

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Speaker 1: this is kind of exciting, Like this is this is

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Speaker 1: a party that like working people could get behind. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what did he talk about. He talked about, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: supporting organized labor, past the pro Act, go after big pharma.

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Speaker 1: We're going to address climate change. So we're gonna you know,

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Speaker 1: cap insulin prices, you know, Medicare, billionaire attacks, We're going

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Speaker 1: to bust up monopolies and all the different fees. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to a resort and it's not even a resort

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Speaker 1: and I'm playing a resort fee, but and his friends

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Speaker 1: charged him a resort fee. But so so you can. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and he's going for the identity theft and some funny

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Speaker 1: stuff like that, like so many people are getting to him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but in general, it's that's a platform that people could

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Speaker 1: get behind. It's strange, it was a lot of Matt

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Speaker 1: Stoller was very excited in this because he's talking about antitrust,

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Speaker 1: what was at first present the first presence, it's nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy nine, to mention ante to mention anti trust, you're

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Speaker 1: talking about industrial policy, you're talking about making baking thanks

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Speaker 1: in America. And then you know, I mean, I'm not

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Speaker 1: big on this whole squishy like bipartisan comedy whatever, but

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who are really into that.

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Speaker 1: That's a very normy sentiment of like, why can't we

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Speaker 1: all just come together and get some things done? What

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Speaker 1: I said earlier, Emily, and I want to get your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on the whole thing, though, is I think the

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Speaker 1: fact that you had this sort of ugly raucousness from

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Speaker 1: the Republicans in there really did kind of play into

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Speaker 1: Biden's hands of looking like the grown up in the room.

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Speaker 1: He looked in control too. He was almost like engaging

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Speaker 1: with the cloud. He let them finish. He wasn't and

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Speaker 1: he wasn't heckling them back. He let them finish. So

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Speaker 1: I think optically that's one hundred percent correct. That did

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Speaker 1: not work the way that let's say, Marjorie Taylor Green

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Speaker 1: or whomever else was involved, and it wanted it to work.

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Speaker 1: That said to Ryan's point, and actually Kyle made this

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Speaker 1: point too. He gave a speech that was so front

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Speaker 1: loaded on economics, and that's really smart. If you're Biden's

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Speaker 1: speech writers, you should be really happy with how this

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Speaker 1: turned out. He's sort of checking down, going through the

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Speaker 1: laundry list and flashing out actually not just listening off,

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Speaker 1: but fleshing out things like infrastructure, things like the Chips Act.

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Speaker 1: Now to the bipartisanship point, I think that's a fascinating

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Speaker 1: point because it works with people until the country stops working.

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Speaker 1: Because he had a line earlier where he talked about

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Speaker 1: basically decades of hollowing out the middle class. Who was

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Speaker 1: in the Senate, who was the senator from MasterCard with

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Speaker 1: identity theft? Yes, middle class. I mean it's just like,

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Speaker 1: so that's a real problem for Biden, and I think

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Speaker 1: he has never had a real answer to confronting it.

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Speaker 1: Had on politically, but tacking in that direction, it's not

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Speaker 1: just good news for Democrats, it's good news for the

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Speaker 1: country that Republicans, at least optically were so vehemently offended

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Speaker 1: by what Joe Biden said with Social Security, medicareacters. They said,

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Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy gave his whole speech last night. It's off

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Speaker 1: the table. It's off the table. That's good news for

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Speaker 1: the country because it tells you where the Overton window is.

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Speaker 1: You know what's funny, I'm monitoring the professional press corps.

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Speaker 1: What are they all talking about decorum in the House.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, who cares about the decorum? Like, look, I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying it isn't a thing, but social security, people,

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Speaker 1: medicare that is that is going to define the next

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Speaker 1: couple of months of our politics. It's driving me nuts.

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Speaker 1: And like that was the first thing I zeroed in on.

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Speaker 1: I was like, man, that's a big moment. That is

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Speaker 1: going to be every ad, the Biden ad, the launch.

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Speaker 1: I'm the one who protected it. I will veto the

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Speaker 1: Bill Crystal, picking up on the fact that Republicans are

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Speaker 1: not willing to go there yet. This also puts Trump

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Speaker 1: on the back foot where he's like, no, they're lying

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Speaker 1: that we don't want to cut those security but he

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Speaker 1: doesn't have a unified coalition. I'm like, this is it.

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Speaker 1: This is the whole ballgame, Ryan, So what else do

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Speaker 1: you want to dig into on? Yeah, And for decades

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Speaker 1: on the left, there's been this internal argument do you

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Speaker 1: work within the Democratic Party to try to make the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party a better thing? Or do you work outside

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Speaker 1: at you start a third party and try to pressure

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Speaker 1: them from there. As as the working class is kind

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Speaker 1: of being divided by between the two parties, here a

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Speaker 1: kind of new answer is emerging, which is that you

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Speaker 1: actually work within both parties. And Joe Biden did that tonight,

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Speaker 1: Like I've never seen a speech like that kind of

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Speaker 1: change the negotiating table, change the game in the way

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Speaker 1: it did before this speech. Republicans had their game plan

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Speaker 1: for when it came to the debt ceiling crisis. You know,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna hold it hostage. They're going to force Biden

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Speaker 1: the table or get some cuts, and then they're gonna

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Speaker 1: agree to it the same way that they jammed Biden

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Speaker 1: up ten years ago. They come out of this speech

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Speaker 1: with nothing left, right, like, so what do they gk Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: now what are you gonna do? You're not cutting military

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Speaker 1: spending because you're Republicans. Now you can't sold security and

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Speaker 1: Medicare because you just told the whole country that he's

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Speaker 1: a liar and that you would never do such a thing.

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Speaker 1: So you're left with the E. P. A and like

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Speaker 1: Noah and the BLM, they can cut BLM and tell

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Speaker 1: their base that it's Black Lives matter, and actually they

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Speaker 1: can trim the Bureau of Land Management. Yeah, I was

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Speaker 1: gonna say Bundy alone, right, understand he's gonna fly back

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Speaker 1: for that meeting and defend his budget. Well, I do

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Speaker 1: to your point, because they obviously took great umbrage at

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Speaker 1: the suggestion that they want to security Medicaid. They want

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Speaker 1: to save it was strength it right, but I mean

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Speaker 1: the numbers just don't work out, Like the math just

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Speaker 1: doesn't work out if you're like, I want to slash

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Speaker 1: the budget by this huge amount, right, which they do

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Speaker 1: in which they've said publicly, But I don't want to

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Speaker 1: touch those Security Medica like it just literally the Pentagon

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Speaker 1: or the Pentagon, if we put those together, it's not

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Speaker 1: going to work out for you. And so that's why

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Speaker 1: it is a fair hit to say to that, like, no,

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Speaker 1: you want to hold the debt sealing hostage. You want

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Speaker 1: to cut these programs. You have a track record of

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Speaker 1: wanting to cut these programs. Center Rex Scott said, you

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Speaker 1: want to cut these programs, And it was pretty remarkable

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Speaker 1: to see how much they freaked out about that and

850
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: a good sign though, again because this is post Paul

851
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: Ryan politics and Republicans have realized, I mean, you can

852
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: cut the entire Pentagon. This is per Brian Riedle at

853
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: the Manhattan Institute. You could literally get rid of the

854
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: Department of Defense, and you can't balance the entitlement balance

855
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: sheet in the way that Republicans say that they want to.

856
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: And there's a reckoning with that on the right right now.

857
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that Mitch McConnell wouldn't love to get

858
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Speaker 1: his hands on and strengthen Social Security in money of it,

859
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: but I think it's at least sort of becoming. And

860
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Speaker 1: again I think this is good for the American people.

861
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Speaker 1: You have jd. Vance, Donald Trump coming out and saying

862
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: the same thing and setting the tone. You have Russ Vote,

863
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: who's hugely influential in the new right and Republican politics.

864
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: His entire plan to balance the budget he was omb

865
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: under Trump is don't touch those Security and Medicaid. You

866
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: can get rid of to the point that you guys

867
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: are making all of the woke policies and you don't

868
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: have to. You can bounce the budget in ten years

869
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: without touching anything else, and just the fact that the

870
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: wheels are in motion on that tells you that Republicans

871
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 1: are like, no, we literally cannot even whisper a word

872
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: about it, and if it comes out of your mouth,

873
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: we are putting you in the corner. That's a really

874
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: interesting point. We got Marshall and Kyle's reaction. I was

875
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: curious for your guys reaction. So right now Sarah Huckaby

876
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: Sanders is giving rebuttal. I don't know who's watching it,

877
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 1: but we have an excerpt, and I think the excerpt

878
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: is important more so, and what's not in it and

879
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 1: what is in it, and what the case of what

880
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: the potential Republican pushback against this is going to be.

881
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: I'll just read this again. In the radical lefts of America,

882
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: Washington taxes you and relights your hard earned money on fire.

883
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: You get crushed with high gas prices, empty grocery shells.

884
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 1: Our children are taught to hate one another on account

885
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: of their race, but not to love one another or

886
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: a great country. And while you reap the consequences of

887
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: your failure. The Biden administration seems more interested in Wolke

888
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: fantasies than the hard reality that Americans face every day,

889
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: most Americans simply want to live their lives in freedom

890
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: of peace, are under attack and left wing culture war

891
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: that we didn't start and we never wanted to fight. Emily,

892
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: what did you think of the strategy there to really

893
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: go hard at the culture war? To be fair, she

894
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: didn't actually watch the speech before she really said excerpt

895
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: so clearly. But I mean that's kind of how all

896
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: these things work. You get a predetermined little fact sheet

897
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: and all that. What do you think of that strategy?

898
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: That's a really good study in contrasts, I think because

899
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: she expects Biden to come out, which is wrong. I mean,

900
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: it's a good example of how Republicans are disconnected from

901
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: the Biden that they're actually fighting as opposed to the

902
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: straw man. And then that's not to say that Biden

903
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: isn't doing stuff in the culture war. Of course, he

904
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: is sort of bureaucratically in the executive that's in its

905
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: year jay right, it's not a national name, right, and

906
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,479
Speaker 1: the Education Department and all these things that people aren't

907
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: necessarily able to follow on a single day to day basis.

908
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: But that Sara Huckabee Sanders comes out anticipating a Biden

909
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: culture war Speeds speech, and what she gets is something

910
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: like what Stolar points out, the first president to champion

911
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: an anti trust performists State of the Union since nineteen

912
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 1: seventy nine. I haven't seen the full Sarah Hockeby Sanders

913
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: speech yet, but man, is that going to miss the

914
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: mark if Biden is out there talking about increasing manufacturing,

915
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: increasing jobs, increasing decreasing unemployment and all of these economic metrics.

916
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: She said the choices between normal and or crazy. This

917
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: is a quote I just saw from Twitter. Republicans punching

918
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: at a culture warst straw Man is not giving people

919
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: that choice very clearly. She's saying, yeah, right, that's but

920
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: that's their problem because Biden is the one that comes

921
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: off as normal. This is yeah, that's right, and that

922
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: that's why that's Biden's strength is in some ways his weakness.

923
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: He's this like centrist old white man and it's just

924
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: not gonna land. You're just not gonna call him a

925
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: radical wokester, and it's that have its stick. Yeah. Then

926
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: Jesse was like Jesse Waters or somebody said, people just

927
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: don't hate Joe Biden. So on the other hand, let's

928
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: go ahead and put what is this be three guys

929
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: that we could put up on the screen here from

930
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: the Washington Post, where you have the latest Post ABC poll,

931
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: which had a lot of bad numbers for Joe Biden,

932
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 1: says more than six and ten say the president has

933
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: not accomplished much, despite they say the passage of numerous bills,

934
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: which is true. Sixty two percent of Americans say Biden

935
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: has accomplished not very much or little or nothing during

936
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: his presidency. Only thirty six percent say is accomplish a

937
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: great deal or a good amount. His approval rating is low.

938
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: We shared a poll earlier that has him losing to

939
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Of course, a lot of polls out there too,

940
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: having losen to Ron DeSantis. If DeSantis ends up being

941
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: the nominee, you have a majority of Democrats, Ryan, who

942
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: say we don't want this guy to run again. We

943
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: want someone else. So, even as you know, I listen

944
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: to that speech, and there's a lot in there that

945
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: you know, I respond to, I think it's a good

946
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: case he makes about what he's done, about what he

947
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: might do going forward, laying out industrial policy, anti trust,

948
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: pro labor, et cetera. But there's a lot of signs

949
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: American people aren't really feeling that right now. The flip

950
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: side of nobody hating Joe Biden is that nobody really

951
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 1: likes him either. He's just he's just kind of exists.

952
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: Percent of people they were exciting the cast of Nicole

953
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: Wallace a low rating, not even if there is such

954
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: a thing. Yeah, so yeah, I don't know nobody. So, yeah,

955
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: nobody's excited about him. But that's not that's not that's

956
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: not how you govern anymore in America, and it's not

957
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: necessarily how you win elections. Yeah, Like Hillary Clinton's problem

958
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,959
Speaker 1: was nobody was she had. She had this small group

959
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 1: that was really excited about her, but in general, people

960
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: weren't excited about it. I was just qualified and most qualified,

961
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: et cetera. But people intensely disliked her on the other side,

962
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: and it became a contest, if you remember, in the

963
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: polling at the very end of who was the least

964
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: disliked by the American public And Biden ended up beating

965
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: Trump four years later because he was less disliked than

966
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: Trump was. That's a good point with Trump. He has

967
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: very high favorables and very unfavorable nobody feels ambivalent to right,

968
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: whereas which everyone's ambivalent to problem. Yeah, everyone is basically,

969
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: and he's fine. I mean, only the thing I keep

970
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: coming back to with Biden and his reelect is, I

971
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember ron Klain after Emmanuel Macron

972
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: won reelection in France, where his approval rating was total trash, right,

973
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: it was like in the thirties, and he's able to win,

974
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: and he won pretty easily over Marine La Penn because

975
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: people really hated her a lot. And so you know,

976
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: ron Klain tweets a sound was like, oh interesting, he

977
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: won re election with a thirty six percent approval rating

978
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: or whatever. I mean, that kind of seems like the

979
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: path that they are hoping for for Biden. And so

980
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: that's why you see, you know, not only in the speech,

981
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: he really did front load with what he's done and

982
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: what he wants to do and where we are, etc.

983
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: On the economy, but there's also quite a bit in

984
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: there which obviously Republicans got upset about about the Republican

985
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 1: plans and why they were the wrong directions. So, I mean,

986
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: in some ways, I think his re elect hinges on

987
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,919
Speaker 1: how much people dislike the Republicans, how extreme they are,

988
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: and how much they want to avoid going in that direction. Again, right,

989
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: and that's why it totally depends on the nominee, and

990
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: we've seen that show up in polling. But it's a

991
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: really important point because I think American politics is lurching

992
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: towards that reality for the foreseeable future period where you

993
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: have people with really low approval ratings, maybe even low

994
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: favorability ratings, that are just able to muster the right,

995
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: cobble together the right coalition and just scraight past or

996
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: get to that fifty percent mark or forty nine, whatever

997
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: it is. And that's the reality I think we're facing

998
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: in the country that we're too divided to have. I think,

999
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: like Ronald Reagan's re election, you know, where he's just

1000
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: trouncing absolutely everybody. This is not gonna happen. Or Bill Clinton.

1001
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: I mean, we're just we're not in that world anymore.

1002
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: And so Republicans, I think, need to realize that if

1003
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: they want to create this dichotomy of normal versus crazy,

1004
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: they need to figure out how to make that stick.

1005
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: To Joe Biden, they need to be there, not be crazy.

1006
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, yeah, you can't have to do both.

1007
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: Got through the grill of the viill thing and stand

1008
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 1: up and yell. It's a tough thing. I really don't

1009
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: know how they get their way out of it, because

1010
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: it's like I can make the case on either side,

1011
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: like if I'm Ron DeSantis look like Okay, let's say try.

1012
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: We had a fun debate at our live show, what

1013
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: happens if Trump and DeSantis both die? But what's more

1014
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: likely let's say Trump's wrong with it was a funny.

1015
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: It was a fun Honestly, it was a fun second

1016
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: so many times. All right, if they what they both do,

1017
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: they both get arrest. My scenario was that they were

1018
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: both on Air Force one and Air Force one crash

1019
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 1: on the way, they blow up the Chinese balloon floor

1020
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: and the debris takes them both out and Santos arrested

1021
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 1: for Santos actually know George Santos killed them both. Okay,

1022
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: so move on. Part of what we got too much

1023
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: from that. Part of what we got from that dialogue

1024
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: was that they need to try and reconcile the craziness

1025
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: of Trump and the energy of that with the fact

1026
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: that they still won six percent of the national popular

1027
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: vote during the midterms. Like this can be done. Joe

1028
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: Biden is weak. We have all of the pulling data

1029
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: to show that it is Trump and that wing which

1030
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: is dragging them down electorally. However, they hold so much

1031
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: power institutionally go ahead of Yeah, no, I think that's

1032
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: one hundred percent true. And Biden is picking up on

1033
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: this with his own party in a way that Republicans

1034
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: who have seen the culture war sort of path to

1035
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: victory in a Virginia or of Florida. You cannot just

1036
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: translate that to Sarah, How could be standards going all

1037
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 1: in and having absolutely no answer to Biden's very sort

1038
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: of like Normy aimed square at the middle economic speech.

1039
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 1: That's like a kitchen table, real person speech. You can't

1040
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 1: just come out swinging with that kind of stuff. And Biden,

1041
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: for instance, he didn't say much, as you guys pointed

1042
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 1: out earlier, on abortion. He didn't say much about the border.

1043
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: You didn't say much about LGBTQ issues. He said, we

1044
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: had one mention of young of transgender young people, but

1045
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: the bulk of the speech was on the economy, on

1046
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: the he didn't even talk about Ukraine that much at

1047
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: the bottom thirty well, right, And so the I think

1048
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: Democrats have realized probably picked up on the number from

1049
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: the midterms, which the midterm narrative was one thing, but

1050
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: it is true. Republicans did have a decent night, not

1051
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: nearly what it was projected to be, but they did

1052
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: okay in the popular vote. So if Democrats see that,

1053
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 1: they do have a lot of culture war problems, there's

1054
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: just no question about it. You did a great podcast

1055
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: this week, I'm Deconstructed, where you sort of talked through

1056
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 1: some of this. They do have those issues, but Republicans

1057
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: can't fight them in a way that handicaps themselves going

1058
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: into those battles. Siden doesn't give them a lot of ammunition.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not aware of a national election that has

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Speaker 1: ever been won on the question of what local schools

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Speaker 1: should be teaching or not teaching. That is our destiny, though,

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Speaker 1: to have presidential elections. Hinge on who gets to play

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Speaker 1: on the lacrosse across team will be like eventually where

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Speaker 1: this system is heading. I don't know if it'll be

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Speaker 1: this one or four years from hour, but it's part

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Speaker 1: of the like the process of just removing more and

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Speaker 1: more decision making away from elections. But you still have

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Speaker 1: to give people something to fight over. But speaking of

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Speaker 1: not having anything to fight over, it's like the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party seems like they don't have the civil war that

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Speaker 1: they had over the last kind of six seven, eight years.

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Speaker 1: It's it was basically won by the establishment with you know,

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Speaker 1: Biden finally beat beating Bernie, but they also absorbed a

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Speaker 1: decent amount of what Bernie was fighting for. And so

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Speaker 1: that's why you see so much frustration on the outside

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Speaker 1: that Bernie's not fighting more than you know, Bernie's become

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Speaker 1: a big supporter of Joe Biden. Because Bernie, as you know,

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Speaker 1: budget chairman, writing the reconciliation package, he's you know, he's

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Speaker 1: he's seeing trillions of dollars of spending go through. You're

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00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: seeing you know, unemployment knocked down to what three point

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Speaker 1: four percent, lowest and lowest since like nineteen sixty nine,

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Speaker 1: and so you have this. He talked about the four

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Speaker 1: hundred billion dollars in climate spending, and so he called

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Speaker 1: himself a capitalist. Yeah, they said, yes, yes, right exactly.

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Speaker 1: So they kind of they kind of ended this civil

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Speaker 1: war by a beating Bernie, but then uh b bringing

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00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: in a decent amount of what he was fighting for,

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00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: just enough to kind of keep them happy together. And

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Speaker 1: because Democrats, Democratic voters are so fired up about electability

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Speaker 1: and beating the evil Republicans. You know, they're going to

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00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,919
Speaker 1: keep putting forward people like Biden probably, whereas Republicans still are,

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00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 1: you know, fired by the by the cultural issues, and

1093
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: because I think they were told that Trump was unelectable,

1094
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: they said, screw it, we don't care. We're electing him anyway.

1095
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: And he got nominating him anyway, he won. They don't

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00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: they don't want to hear about electability crap anyway, great people,

1097
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: and they're not going to want to hear that for

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Speaker 1: a long time ago. Emily, what do you see as

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00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: the contours of the coming Republican I mean, the Republican

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00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: civil wars sort of upon us. You know, people are

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00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 1: kind of choosing their sides and the battle lines are

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00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: breaking down, Like is there are there economic issues that

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00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: are involved in that Republican civil war? Is it primarily

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Speaker 1: around culture warriors? She's clearly Ronda Santis is positioning himself

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Speaker 1: as like the you know I was during COVID, I

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Speaker 1: was the guy who was open for business. Donald Trump

1107
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: was shuting things down, whether or the facts of that whatever.

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Speaker 1: That's how he's positioning himself. Is that going to be

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Speaker 1: the key dividing line, how do you see this playing out?

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Speaker 1: So it looks like Nikki Haley is going to announce

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00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: formally and do a roll out next week, and that's

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00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: already what I've seen some on the kind of new

1113
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: right talking about is like, what an embarrassment that this

1114
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: is just a tea party ghost who has not updated

1115
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: herself whatsoever. But then the question is what is the

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00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: substantial difference between Ronda Santis and Nikki Haley? Because with

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00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, we know to some extent that it's just

1118
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: a mixed bag. It's the same thing with his foreign policy.

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00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: You're going to get some new, some shocking new, and

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Speaker 1: some of the old stuff. It depends on who wins

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00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: the fight at any given moment, the tug of war

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Speaker 1: at any given moment. But how substantially different is Ronda

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Speaker 1: Santis or Glenn Younkin mister p Patagonia vest going to

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Speaker 1: be on that issue? And I think that's a really

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Speaker 1: open question, and the primaries are going to be a

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Speaker 1: place where that's sorted out because Republicans do face pressure

1127
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: now after Donald Trump, this is post Paul Ryan era

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Speaker 1: not to do things to Social Security and Medicare, Like

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Speaker 1: this is a huge source of pressure on Republicans, so

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of it will be hashed out

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Speaker 1: in the midterms. I think it's completely up in the

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Speaker 1: air now. I think anybody who says the Republican Party

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00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: has been, you know, permanently changed for good and turned

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Speaker 1: into the party of the working class is absolutely wrong.

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Speaker 1: That's not to say there isn't some reason it's possible, right,

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00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: Stolar talks about that like this is good for everybody.

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Speaker 1: The Republican Party is never going to be a beautiful, wonderful,

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Speaker 1: pure party of the working class. It's not going to happen.

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Speaker 1: The Democratic Party is not going to be either. One

1140
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: might be better than the other, but the Republican Party

1141
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: at least being dragged, kicking and screaming to say things like,

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Speaker 1: if we're going to balance the budget, we're not going

1143
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Speaker 1: to do it from stealing and rating from your entitlement funds.

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Speaker 1: That's a good day for everyone. But the question is

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00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: still open. I mean, I see that, and I don't,

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Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, the McCarthy holdouts

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00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: also begged and demanded a vote for the freaking fair Tax,

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Speaker 1: which is you know, terrible, terrible, regressive, like total tea

1149
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Speaker 1: Party throwback stuff and the whole contours of the debts

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Speaker 1: healing fight outside of them just not publicly wanting to

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Speaker 1: be accused of cutting Social Security medicare. This is tea

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Speaker 1: Party two point zero stuff. I mean, this is all

1153
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: tea party tactics. Their asks are tea party asks. So

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Speaker 1: it's you know, when I look at something like that,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, this is really change. Is really different because

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00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: now that Trump is sort of less clearly in command too,

1157
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of their talking points and their

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00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: economic policy has just floated right back to that Mitt Romney,

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Speaker 1: Paul Ryan era ultimately, and I mean it's Trump himself.

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Speaker 1: His bigges accomplishment was a jug into corporate tax gut

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Speaker 1: that they all are perfectly happy with. Well and the

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Speaker 1: other thing. You'll definitely have thoughts on this, But anti

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Speaker 1: trust is huge, and I'm actually very curious if Sarahuckaby

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Speaker 1: Sanders had a word about anti trust because Republicans have

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Speaker 1: actually made significant motions. Some of the most powerful anti

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Speaker 1: trust suits have been filed by people like Ken Paxton

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Speaker 1: and Texas and the Trump administration against Google. There's some

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Speaker 1: real meat on the bones. That's like one of the

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Speaker 1: areas where there is actually truly a realignment. To borrow

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Speaker 1: word from Sager and Marshall that you can see happening.

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Speaker 1: And what's who is Ronda Santis, Sarah Hackaby Sanders, is

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Speaker 1: Nikki Haley? What are they going to say about that?

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Speaker 1: How would they govern? That's a complete Nicky Haley is

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Speaker 1: already He's already on record against what is knocking her

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Speaker 1: lane out of it. Now is not the time to

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Speaker 1: rethink capitalism, is what she famously said in her speech.

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Speaker 1: So good luck, Nikki. I'm going to enjoy watching you fail.

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Speaker 1: I really will. I could say that is the Indian

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Speaker 1: American who doesn't want to see you be the first

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Speaker 1: one on the stage for all of us. But Ryan,

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Speaker 1: I'm curious here also on the Democratic side. So at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, you know, the laundry list

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Speaker 1: of here's what I want and all this, it's not

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Speaker 1: going to happen. This was all just oppositional. So to

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Speaker 1: that extent Biden we were talking about this is the

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Speaker 1: kickoff of his campaign. It seems like it did pretty

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Speaker 1: good job. Like overall, this is probably as good as

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Speaker 1: you could probably hope for. And he didn't step into

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Speaker 1: any of the pitfalls I saw that he's on his

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Speaker 1: way to Wisconsin and Florida. In Florida, I'd just be like,

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Speaker 1: give up, mister president. That ship sailed, sir, Wisconsin. That's

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Speaker 1: a smart move. But yeah, like going into those two

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Speaker 1: states in the next couple of days, like this is

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Speaker 1: probably going to be a pretty high point for him,

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Speaker 1: and especially coming off the midterms. Right, there were two

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Speaker 1: paths he could have taken when when Republicans said we're

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Speaker 1: going to hold the debt stealing hostage to force demands.

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Speaker 1: He could have taken the last Joe Biden approach, which

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Speaker 1: was great. You know, we all need to get together.

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Speaker 1: We'll do a commission and we'll Simpson bowls and balls,

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01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 1: will hold hands together. I got Bruce Reid here, he

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Speaker 1: was my staff guy and he's still in the White House. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: dust the plans off, and yes, like people want to

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Speaker 1: work longer, and Medicare is too generous, and Medicaid you know,

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01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: you know people people need to be incentivized to get

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Speaker 1: back to work. Like they could have been that Joe Biden, right,

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Speaker 1: or it could be the Joe Biden that we saw tonight.

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Speaker 1: It's like who baits them with the Rick Scott plan,

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Speaker 1: and then he could have baited them with the Kevin

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Speaker 1: McCarthy plans, saying that we're going to strengthen solid security

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Speaker 1: and medicare. He gets them to call him a liar,

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Speaker 1: and he said, oh wait, we got a lot of

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Speaker 1: converts here. I'm so great. We're not going so so

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Speaker 1: he goes the other direction and says we're not going

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Speaker 1: to go down that path, which means that the Biden

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Speaker 1: who came out of the gate with the you know,

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Speaker 1: he said, here's my offer on the American Rescue plan

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Speaker 1: one point nine trillion dollars, and Susan Collins comes back,

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Speaker 1: She's like, here's our offer, five hundred and fifty billion

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Speaker 1: dollars or six hundred whatever it is. Two hours later

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Speaker 1: he puts out a statement. He's like, we're doing this alone.

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Speaker 1: We're not taking six months like Obama did, and like

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Speaker 1: allowing Susan Collins to just like dictate this to us,

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Speaker 1: that was a shocking moment in democratic political history. But

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Speaker 1: as he did, then you know how he's been like

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Speaker 1: conferring with John Meacham and trying to step into the

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Speaker 1: FDR shoes and this is like actually reported accesses head

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Speaker 1: repeat on Biden like genuinely trying to rescue the soul

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Speaker 1: of the nation and seeing himself as this FDR figure,

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Speaker 1: not like FDR light, but like FDR next generation truly.

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Speaker 1: And he had a line in the speech where he

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Speaker 1: talked about I think it's the Inflation Reduction Act provisions

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Speaker 1: of it not going into effect until January one. So

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Speaker 1: people are just starting to feel the economy heating up,

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Speaker 1: and the economy is heating up in different ways. And

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Speaker 1: that might explain the disconnect between the mood of the

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Speaker 1: country and polling and what Biden sees as a hot

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Speaker 1: economy or heating up economy. But to that point, is

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Speaker 1: it some of that seeing him slotting himself into that

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Speaker 1: care charter, this FDR like figure, that has made him say,

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Speaker 1: I'm not the old Joe Biden. Screw it, We're not

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Speaker 1: waiting for Susan Collins. But at the same time he

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Speaker 1: did say Republican friends over and over again in that speech.

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01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: Notice that I mean this is in particular a real

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Speaker 1: break from the old Joe Biden. Here's the line from

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Speaker 1: the speech. If anyone tries to cut Social Security, I

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Speaker 1: will stop them. If anyone tries to cut Medicare, I

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Speaker 1: will stop them. I will not allow them to be

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Speaker 1: taken away, not stay, not tomorrow or not ever. Now

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Speaker 1: he doesn't say, and they're not yesterday because he's multiple times,

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Speaker 1: so it's forty years. I tried to cut security. But

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Speaker 1: if you say no, not tomorrow, not ever, take a

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Speaker 1: week in the future. Yes, So yeah, I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to oversell it because on the other hand,

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Speaker 1: you know, went on of his way to like bust

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Speaker 1: the potential rail strike and hand power to the bosses there, like,

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Speaker 1: hasn't fought for lifting the minimum wage. You know, mentioned

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Speaker 1: the pro act here that fell off the table, didn't

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01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: really put the screws to mansion and cinema over build

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Speaker 1: back better and so you know, we were all happy

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Speaker 1: when we got something in the Inflation Reduction Act, but

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Speaker 1: it's easy to forget how much the actual original vision

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Speaker 1: was trimmed by a lack of willingness to play hardball

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Speaker 1: and willingness to like just accept the rulings of the

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Speaker 1: parliamentarian and things like that. So I don't want to

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Speaker 1: oversell it here, but I do think there are some

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Speaker 1: noteworthy shifts in terms of I mean even just industrial

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Speaker 1: policy and anti trust. These were like anti trust. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Obama administration was terrible on anti trust, terrible allowed

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Speaker 1: some of these gigantic mergers to go through that. Now

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Speaker 1: people are raging about, right the Ticketmaster being a primary

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Speaker 1: example there. And you know, so industrial policy was basically

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Speaker 1: a dirty word in both parties for my entire life

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Speaker 1: until now, up until literally I think three years ago.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember when Biden put out what was it?

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Speaker 1: Just like Made in America? I praised it on Rising

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Speaker 1: in here. I was like, hey, listen, that's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: I was like, you can tell you whatever, you know.

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Speaker 1: I was like, by the way, I was like, Jared,

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Speaker 1: please release the maid in America thing from the National

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Speaker 1: Security Council, which I know that you held up for

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01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: two years and then didn't end up passing for literally

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Speaker 1: no reason. So in a lot of ways for Trump,

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Speaker 1: this is dangerous territory. I mean, Biden is taking the

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Speaker 1: two most singular popular things that he did, which was

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Speaker 1: China and it was made in America. Look at that,

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Speaker 1: you know the way that he talked about China in

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Speaker 1: the speech and then no he didn't talk about it much,

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Speaker 1: but look he did not say that what seven years ago,

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Speaker 1: what he was trying to say in that whole switch

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Speaker 1: places with she I speak by niece is because I

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Speaker 1: used to watch him whenever he was coherent, and he

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Speaker 1: would always talk about how he was one of those

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Speaker 1: people he was so pro engagement with China. He often

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Speaker 1: says this, I'm the only person I've spent more hours

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Speaker 1: with Shishingping than any other Western leader in the world.

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Speaker 1: I've sat there and I've talked with him across the table.

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Speaker 1: That was his big selling point. He was so excited,

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Speaker 1: he oh, I know, yeah. Actually, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: business dealings going on. That was a side of the

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Speaker 1: big guy. That's all on air Force too, another story

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Speaker 1: for another day, of which we have covered several times.

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Speaker 1: But the point is is that he has gone from

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Speaker 1: engagement to confrontation. Clearly that is without Trump, that doesn't happen.

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Speaker 1: And he's also now gone completely with Made in America,

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Speaker 1: the full embrace of all that. I do want to

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Speaker 1: know who he is. He goes Many people don't like

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Speaker 1: when I say this, but we're going to buy American.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, who is saying that, outside of like JP

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Speaker 1: Morgan CEO, who is saying that. I like that. Most

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Speaker 1: people like that Larry Summers. Yeah, okay, got some got

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Speaker 1: some flap in the country club. One last thought and

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Speaker 1: then I want to hear you guys' final thoughts as well.

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Speaker 1: But you know, one thing we talked about going into this,

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Speaker 1: which maybe it shouldn't matter, maybe it should matter. I

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Speaker 1: think it's reasonable for people to have concerns about a

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Speaker 1: man who would be eighty six by the end of

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Speaker 1: a next term. And so as much as The New

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Speaker 1: York Times was running a story that I know was

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Speaker 1: planned by Biden AEDs about how he's preparing to overcome

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Speaker 1: a stutter in this speech, sort of trying to set

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Speaker 1: the bar low that if it doesn't go well, don't

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Speaker 1: be an asshole, it's because he has a stutter. It's

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Speaker 1: not because he's old. Guys, don't say that. But ultimately,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, he's still Joe Biden at eighty

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Speaker 1: years old. It's still not what he used to be.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like an incredibly masterful oratory, but Ryan, I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, in terms of what he's capable of, this

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Speaker 1: was a pretty well delivered speech and as Emily was saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, being able to do a little give and

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01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: take with the audience, that's not easy to do. So

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Speaker 1: I think also he did himself some favors in terms

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Speaker 1: of persuading people that this is a man who is

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Speaker 1: still capable of conducting the business of the presidency and

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Speaker 1: that we're not all going to be left in the

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Speaker 1: hands of Kamala Harris, your guy. I think we're also

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01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 1: starting to all grade him on a curve relative to

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Speaker 1: what we expect from him. Like, I think he has

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Speaker 1: successfully set the bar really low his public performances. Every

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Speaker 1: time he tried to go off the teleprompter, off script

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01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: with a little riff. Yeah, you're almost holding your breath

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01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: for him. Outside of the Medicare thing, they were all bad,

1343
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: every single one. He starts out by saying, I get

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01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 1: to be here because Jill's going to get the game.

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Speaker 1: Marwin anyway, are you talking about the Super Bowl and

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Speaker 1: the Eagles. Yeah, you have Donovan McNabb perform like he should.

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01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 1: He should have. He should have finished with the go

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01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: Birds at the end because he's not winning. That's doctor,

1349
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: but a doctor's saying flag yes, well on that point.

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01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: And he did seem to get Tyree Nichols name wrong.

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01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't old Tyler, it wasn't great, sounding like Tyler, Yeah,

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01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 1: it wasn't a perfect performance, but I do think that

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01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: because the bar is so low for him every time

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Speaker 1: he clears it and looks like he can give a

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Speaker 1: normal presidential speech for an hour. Again, because the bar

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01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: is so low. And part of that, by the way,

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01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: is because Donald Trump was the preceding president. That's good.

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Speaker 1: And Donald Trump's State of the Unions tended to be

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01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 1: pretty boilerplate and conventional. That wasn't true of the rest

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01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 1: of his communications. So Joe Biden being able to just

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Speaker 1: give a speech for an hour, talk about his Republican

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Speaker 1: friends and make America at least sort of be back

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Speaker 1: in the political theater that people are comfortable with. I

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01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 1: guess that's a win for him. Yeah, all right, Okay, guys,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for your analysis. I hope everybody

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Speaker 1: enjoyed this stream. Thank you so much also to our

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Speaker 1: premium members who help support the show and keep all

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Speaker 1: of these things going. They are expensive to put on,

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01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: so we really much appreciate you and we love you all.

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Speaker 1: We're going to have some content for you guys tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Hint it involves a congressman attacking Crystal Ball, my partner

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Speaker 1: over here and Joe Rogan as a vicious attack calling

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Speaker 1: them anti Semitic. We will get into all of that tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: We'll have a full show for everybody on Thursday. Lots

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Speaker 1: of great content in the interim, and we will see

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Speaker 1: you all later. We've been tracking a lot of Jeff

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Speaker 1: Bezos news and respect to the Washington Commanders, and it

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01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 1: looks like there could be some developments here. Let's put

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Speaker 1: it up there on the screen. So Charles Gasperano. He

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Speaker 1: reports that Bezos is considering buying the Washington Commanders and

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Speaker 1: that the commander's sale will take place weeks after the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl and owners meeting in March. Despite the denials,

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01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 1: people inside the NFL think that Bezos's bid will come

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01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 1: after the initial bids because given his wealth, he is

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01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 1: capable of making any numbers work for a purchase. So

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01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:31,759
Speaker 1: he's going to see what other people put on the table,

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Speaker 1: and then he's going to be like a little bit more,

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01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: here's a billion more. So can we just wrap this

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01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: up and everybody be like, yeah, all right, let's do

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01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 1: a handshake. Yeah. I don't know how it's gonna work out.

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Speaker 1: As you pointed out as well, Dan Snyder doesn't like

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Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos. Why because Bezos's paper, The Washington Post, is

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Speaker 1: the one that exposed a lot of his wrongdoing in

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01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 1: his organization. At the same time, money's green, no matter

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01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: whether somebody took you down or not. But these guys

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01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 1: are billionaires, so they operated at a different level. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's an extra billion here or there. But the other

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Speaker 1: question is that the previous reporting from The New York

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Speaker 1: Post said that Bezos was exploring a sale of The

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Speaker 1: Washington Post to possibly finance this. So maybe Snyder would

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01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, you can have the you can have

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01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 1: the Commanders, but you have to sell the Post if

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Speaker 1: you want to do that. So I could see him

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01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 1: being petty enough to do that. Bezos, I think he

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01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 1: absolutely is going to end up with the Commanders because listen,

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01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 1: I mean, these guys are like gods in America, these

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01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 1: NFL owners, like nothing comes close to being like a

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01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 1: pop culture icon. That's what he loves. You know, Bezos

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01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 1: loves me in Hollywood and you know the Instagram thing.

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01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 1: He doesn't even work anymore Amazon. Yeah, he loves Lizzo.

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01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 1: Apparently the guy is like he's no longer interested in

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Speaker 1: being quote respectable, which is what the post bottom. He's

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01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 1: interested in just being super rich and being culturally relevant,

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01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 1: So buying the NFL an NFL team is the best

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01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 1: way to do that. Yeah, you know, he could turn

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Speaker 1: the stadium into one of like the biggest stadium or

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Speaker 1: the best or what. He could outcompete Jerry Jones and

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01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 1: be one of those sizes of people and you know, like,

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01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure people would like it. That absolutely would. And

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Speaker 1: don't forget Amazon HQ two being built right here in

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01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: the DMV area in Crystal City where thousands of Amazon

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Speaker 1: employees are going to be. Already, he already owns the

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Speaker 1: biggest house in Washington, d C. This would just step

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Speaker 1: it up even more. Yeah, this is what it looks

1425
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 1: like to go through a midlife crisis when you're one

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Speaker 1: of the richest man on the FA. Yeah. Right, Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy and I'm a NFL team. Maybe I'll sell.

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Speaker 1: This newspaper's kind of a pain in my ass. Let

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Speaker 1: me get rid of it. I don't know, some far

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. It looks pretty fun. The other

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Speaker 1: thing I have to contribute to this conversation is as

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Speaker 1: a long suffering Washington football sports fan, Dan Snyder has

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01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: got to be one of the worst owners in the

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Speaker 1: history of the NFL and perhaps all of sport. And

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Speaker 1: one of the good things that The Washington Post has

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Speaker 1: done under Bezos's leadership is exposed all of that. But

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Speaker 1: you know that being said, I'm like not cheering for

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01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 1: either one of these men. So we'll see how it

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01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 1: all unfolds. He continues to deny it. They're also, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Washington Post is in not great financial straits. They've

1441
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: been having to make lays off telling you they bet

1442
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 1: all the way in on like Trump and political news coverage.

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01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: They didn't really diversify in the way that New York

1444
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 1: Times did, so the financial position there for them is

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01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: not very good. That being said, you know, he's a billionaire.

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Speaker 1: He could prop them up easily without any problem. But

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Speaker 1: does he want to do that? And more importantly, does

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Speaker 1: he want you know, I think he didn't like that

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01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: when he was going back and forth with Biden on

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01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 1: like tax policy or whatever. He didn't like that people

1451
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: were like, hey, dude, you own a really important newspaper.

1452
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,759
Speaker 1: Maybe you shouldn't be putting your hand on the scale

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01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 1: the way that you are here. Ultimately, and by the way,

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01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 1: we see this as sort of like reflected in your

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01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 1: paper's coverage, which is a problem as well. And I'm

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01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 1: not sure that he liked that and the implications of

1457
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: having actually some real responsibility with owning the Washington Post.

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Speaker 1: So oh that's what happened. Look, the best move for

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01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:53,639
Speaker 1: him sell the Post, get rid of it. Don't put

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01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 1: your hands in this and become a pop culture figure.

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Speaker 1: You already kind of are, you know, the whole Jack

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01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: Bezos meme with his girl. And and also look Washington

1463
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 1: like people have ever been suffering for a long time.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Chris, we actually have some fans on

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01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 1: the Washington Commanders. So shout out to them. Two guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I won't out anymore. I'm not going to out

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01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 1: them before they out themselves as breaking points. They have

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01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 1: made it known to me that they are fans of

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Speaker 1: the show. What I think would be cool is that, Look,

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of people who you know, they

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Speaker 1: have very low season ticket holders. It's very hard to

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Speaker 1: sell the game, and DC doesn't have a good enough

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Speaker 1: sports community. Ever. You know, when the Caps are good,

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Speaker 1: then people get excited. Us used to be different. It

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Speaker 1: was the I mean, this was the most valuable franchise

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Speaker 1: in all of sports when I was growing up. I mean,

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Speaker 1: these are Super Bowl winners, and when the stadium was

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Speaker 1: here in the city, it was totally Ever since they

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Speaker 1: moved out to Maryland and it's a still FedEx field

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Speaker 1: wherever that gets called, it's the expand experience is terrible.

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Speaker 1: The vibes of the team are terrible, like all that

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Speaker 1: tradition history was kind of swept away. Daniel Snyder terrible owner.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, listen, I'm not super excited about Bezos owning

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Speaker 1: the team, but getting someone different in there, I would

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Speaker 1: hope it would kind of revive what this great team

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Speaker 1: used to be. An extremely dangerous situation in Ohio, five

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Speaker 1: thousand people had to actually be evacuated from one part

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Speaker 1: of that state after a Norfolk Southern train derailed. It

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Speaker 1: was carrying some toxic chemicals, burst in flames when it derailed,

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Speaker 1: and then there was a danger that would actually explode.

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Speaker 1: They had to do a so called controlled release that

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Speaker 1: also released a gigantic fireball. So a really terrifying situation,

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Speaker 1: one that could have gone bad. Pun off the rails.

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Speaker 1: And now we're getting some reporting from our friends at

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Speaker 1: the Lever about how corruption may have provided the backstory

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Speaker 1: that led to this extraordinarily dangerous situation. Let's go ahead

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Speaker 1: and bring Julia, Roxy's journalist with Lever News to break

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Speaker 1: down the story. Great to see, Julia, thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for having me. Yeah, of course, So let me go

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Speaker 1: ahead and read the headline that you have here. You

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Speaker 1: say rail companies blocked safety rules before Ohio derailment, Norfolk

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Speaker 1: Southern helped convince government officials to repeal brake rules, and

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Speaker 1: corporate lobbyists watered down has met safety regulation. So tell

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Speaker 1: us exactly what you found here. Yeah, so this is

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Speaker 1: basically a story about how, you know, over the past

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Speaker 1: decade or so, as the biggest railroads were spending a

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Speaker 1: lot of their profits on executive pay and stock buybacks,

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Speaker 1: they were declining to upgrade their Civil War era braking systems,

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Speaker 1: which basically make it impossible to stop all of the

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Speaker 1: cars on a train at once, to electronically controlled braking

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Speaker 1: systems where you can stop the entire train simultaneously. And

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Speaker 1: the sort of point of these upgraded safety systems is

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Speaker 1: that you know, in the US, lots of trains are

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Speaker 1: carrying things like crude oil, hazardous, flammable chemicals and so

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Speaker 1: the stakes are very high if something goes wrong and

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01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 1: the train derails. So during the twenty tens, the Obama

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Speaker 1: administration tried to impose some more stringent safety measures on

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Speaker 1: these trains carrying flammable, hazardous materials. But the railroads came in,

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Speaker 1: including Norfolk Southern, They lobbied really hard against these rules.

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Speaker 1: When a limited version of the rule was finally put

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Speaker 1: into place, they got the Trump administration and congressional Republicans

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Speaker 1: to strike it down. I mean, I think we all

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01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 1: got a close up look at how much these freight

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Speaker 1: companies really don't care, particularly about health and safety, given

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Speaker 1: the way they laid off workers and push them out

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Speaker 1: the limited amount of time off if they got any

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Speaker 1: at all. And you know, these are like it's not

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Speaker 1: easy to conduct a train and you can have we've

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Speaker 1: had an increase in derailments as a result in part

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Speaker 1: of the way that they have their workforce. What is

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01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 1: their side of the story here, Why did they push

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Speaker 1: back against what seems like an obvious important safety innovation

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Speaker 1: in terms of these braking systems. Well, so you're right,

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Speaker 1: the backdrop is exactly the same as what they've done

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Speaker 1: with their workforces. You know, like you said, they slashed

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Speaker 1: them by about thirty percent in the past decade or so.

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Speaker 1: You know. The argument of the railroads wasn't even that

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Speaker 1: these brakes are not safer norfolks. Southern had actually tested

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Speaker 1: out some of these breaks back in two thousand and

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Speaker 1: seven and said, like, they are way better than the

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Speaker 1: conventional air brakes that we use. They reduce stopping distances

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Speaker 1: by up to sixty percent. But then when the Obama

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Speaker 1: administration turned around and said, okay, install them on your

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01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 1: trains you know carrying hazardous chemicals and oil, they said

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Speaker 1: it's too expensive. The benefits of it do not justify

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Speaker 1: the high costs. That was their argument. It wasn't that

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Speaker 1: the brakes weren't effective, It wasn't that they would make

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Speaker 1: the trains more safe. It was simply that they were

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Speaker 1: too expensive. You have another piece here. It's not just

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Speaker 1: regarding the brakes, but they also sought to limit what

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Speaker 1: could be classified as hazardous materials. Let me read a

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Speaker 1: little bit from your piece. You say, alongside their campaign

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Speaker 1: to kill the brake rule, industry lobbyists push to limit

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Speaker 1: the types of chemical compounds that be covered by new regulations,

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Speaker 1: including the brake rule. They propose limiting the definition of

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Speaker 1: high hazard flammable trains, mostly to cover oil trains, but

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Speaker 1: not trains carrying the industrial chemical on the Norfolk Southern

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Speaker 1: train that necessitated evacuations in Ohio. So I want everybody

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Speaker 1: to think about this. This train derails, catches on fire,

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Speaker 1: you have to evacuate the area. They do a controlled

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Speaker 1: release that results in a gigantic fireball, and this was

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Speaker 1: not classified as being a high hazard flammable train. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so people in the area were told that the railcars

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Speaker 1: could explode and launch deadly shrapnel as far as a mile.

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Speaker 1: But this train was not being regulated, like you said,

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Speaker 1: as a a highly hazardous flammable train. And that's in

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Speaker 1: part because of successful lobbying efforts by the chemical industry

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Speaker 1: as well as other industries to very narrowly limit the

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Speaker 1: types of sub substances that would give trains this classification

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Speaker 1: as high hazard flammable trains, as well as sort of

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Speaker 1: create this high threshold whereby a certain number of cars

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Speaker 1: had to be carrying the material, and the cars had

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Speaker 1: to be sort of either next to each other, there

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Speaker 1: had to be even more cars spread out over the train,

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Speaker 1: so they create a very high threshold for a train

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Speaker 1: to even be subject to these regulations that are supposed

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Speaker 1: to impose more safety features on trains carrying really dangerous chemicals.

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Speaker 1: And finally, Julia, help us understand who were the political

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Speaker 1: players involved here? How much of this happened under the

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Speaker 1: Obama administration versus the Trump administration. Has the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: had anything to do with it? Yeah, So the Obama administration,

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Speaker 1: you know, if you look at the coverage from the time,

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Speaker 1: sort of surprised people in imposing this requirement on railroads

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Speaker 1: to install these breaks, I think, surprise them because there's

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Speaker 1: been so much industry pushback. And as we know all

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Speaker 1: too well, the Obama administration was was always welcome to

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Speaker 1: folding under industry pushback. Trump Trump moves to repeal it,

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Speaker 1: and and the Biden administration has not attempted to reinstate

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Speaker 1: these rules. You know, Biden railroad regulators say, yes, these

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Speaker 1: breaks are much better, we endorse them, but it's not

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Speaker 1: on their rulemaking agenda. They haven't. They haven't indicated, you know,

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Speaker 1: any intention to do it. And and and you know,

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Speaker 1: the point you made early on I think is worth

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01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 1: again highlighting here that again the backdrop is, uh, workforces

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Speaker 1: have been slashed on these trains, Inspection times are getting

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Speaker 1: much shorter. You know, workers are exhausted, they're coming to

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01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 1: work sick. Of course, that is making all of this

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Speaker 1: more dangerous. And there's also plenty, as you've talked about

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Speaker 1: on the show, that the Biden administration could do, you know,

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Speaker 1: to help these workers and and and and force better

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Speaker 1: safety standards on these railroad companies in all sorts of regards,

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Speaker 1: and they haven't done it yet. Yeah, I'm just shocked

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Speaker 1: that Mayor Pete hasn't gotten right on top of that, Julia.

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Speaker 1: You know workers when we were covering the potential rail

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Speaker 1: strike and their negotiations, this is exactly the type of

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Speaker 1: accident that they were warning about, saying, I mean listen,

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Speaker 1: and when you stretch people so thin and you are

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Speaker 1: working them to the bone and they have no time

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Speaker 1: off even for the basics of going to a doctor appointment,

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Speaker 1: guess what's going to happen. It's not just their health

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Speaker 1: and safety that's going to be compromised, but they're going

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Speaker 1: to be massive spillover effects. And this is just a

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Speaker 1: really sad and horrifying example of that great reporting on

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Speaker 1: this getting this backstory, helping us understand how we got

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Speaker 1: to this point really super important. Julia, great to see you,

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much. Yeah, our pleasure. Thank you guys for watching.

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Speaker 1: We'll have more for you later