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Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney Thorn Smith.

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Speaker 2: And Daphne's Aniga and iHeartRadio Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Still the Place. We have such a

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Speaker 3: fun episode this week. We are meeting with our good

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Speaker 3: friend Andrew Shoe. We're so excited we got to talk

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Speaker 3: to him. And Andrew played the lovable nice guy Billy

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Speaker 3: Campbell on Melro's Place, and we're going to get to

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Speaker 3: hear all of his stories and we get to go

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Speaker 3: down memory lane with him, and so yeah, we're about

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Speaker 3: to invite him in and we're going to have that conversation.

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Speaker 1: Soo yay, yay Andrew. So good to see you.

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Speaker 4: Good to see you, guys. I have to admit that

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Speaker 4: I've already failed you because I realized that you asked

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Speaker 4: me to watch I think I've seen the pilot within

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Speaker 4: the last five years.

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Speaker 3: But that is all good enough. The test, it is

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Speaker 3: sort of like a test of we're all having challenges

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Speaker 3: with our memories, so you'll just be in good company.

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Speaker 3: Like what you do or don't remember, it's all good.

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Speaker 1: But what we really want to start with because we

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Speaker 1: all started here and I'm dying to know I've already

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Speaker 1: told my story of your audition. What do you remember

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Speaker 1: about your audition?

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Speaker 4: Just you really?

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's amazing.

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Speaker 4: Well, it is an interesting story. But it did end

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Speaker 4: in a room with I think they were like twenty

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Speaker 4: foot high ceilings in Aaron Spelling's house, in his what

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Speaker 4: I guess was called his office.

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Speaker 1: It was like a library, right, yeah, well it was.

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Speaker 4: It was all you know, all the way around the

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Speaker 4: every wall filled with leather bound scripts of every episode

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Speaker 4: of every TV show he reproduced.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 4: And there were probably twenty five people in the room,

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Speaker 4: all the casting people, people from Fox, people from Spelling,

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Speaker 4: all the producers, Darren Starr, everybody from the show. And

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Speaker 4: how I ended up in that room is quite a story.

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Speaker 4: So I have to go back, well, we have to.

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Speaker 4: In nineteen ninety I went to Zimbabwe to teach math

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Speaker 4: and play professional soccer over there, and a very odd

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Speaker 4: I only got phone calls like four or five times

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Speaker 4: the entire year. When somebody called from America, you know,

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Speaker 4: it was. It was a big deal, and she got

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Speaker 4: on the phone and she said, Andrew, You're never gonna

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Speaker 4: believe what happened. The head of casting at Universal Pictures

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Speaker 4: saw a picture of us at a premiere of Soap Dish,

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Speaker 4: which was a movie that she had been in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. For those of you who don't know, Andrew's sister

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so saw a picture of us at a premiere,

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Speaker 4: and the head of casting at Universal Pictures wanted to

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Speaker 3: Are, as sisters do.

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Speaker 4: At this point, all I had done was two home

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Speaker 4: And so now for the rest of the year, while

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Speaker 4: I only applied to one school which is probably not

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Speaker 4: She said, well, you know what, you kind of have

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Speaker 1: No, And I was a real number in his book book.

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Speaker 4: It's an unbelievable yeah, in my black book. So then

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Speaker 4: you know, you need to be there if you're going

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Speaker 4: And so I went out there, and the first month

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Speaker 4: I was there, the Olympics were on. I hope you

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Speaker 4: guys are all watching the Olympics. I actually just I

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Speaker 4: just put the Women's All Around on pause so I

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Speaker 4: a month. Amazing, right, and somebody was murdered right outside

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Speaker 4: Years and then a month later, I auditioned for Melro's place,

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Speaker 4: and I had to memorize the long monologue when I

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Speaker 4: and they never ever called me again. That was it.

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Speaker 4: I was like, okay, thank you.

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Speaker 1: So when you wouldn't get a callback, would you write

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Speaker 3: I just I just write they missed them, their loss.

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Speaker 4: And so so now cut to and the next another

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Speaker 4: So they do these monologues. I was like, oh, this

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Speaker 4: But it was really good. Bob Harbin was the one

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Speaker 4: It was it was a huge deal. Like I like,

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Speaker 4: I couldn't believe I gone from nothing to one little

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Speaker 4: it turned out that that the movie Soap Dish that

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Speaker 4: which is about a soap opera Whoopy Goldberg and Kevin

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Speaker 4: And because I had just done this, this pilot. They

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Speaker 1: So when you were sitting out there with Andrews, when

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Speaker 1: And it was like ten thirty on a Saturday morning,

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Speaker 1: Aaron's like, you're right, you're right, you're right, You're one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent right. That's the guy. I just think maybe

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Speaker 1: we should consider Andrew Shoe. I just of course, you're

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Speaker 4: At the end, there's one other guy. Ye.

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Speaker 1: Wow, thats they cast you that day. They came in

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, he Aaron walked over to me. I

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Speaker 4: mean literally, he said, well you got the part.

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Speaker 1: Baby bababe.

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Speaker 4: I was like right away. So he he called me

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Speaker 4: on Friday and said, I want you to do me

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Speaker 4: Yeah, literally called me at my house. I looked and said,

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Speaker 4: didn't tell me that Gulf City had been canceled. Oh

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Speaker 3: No, you were scripted. You did what you were hoping.

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Speaker 4: So it all, it all worked. You're you being the

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Speaker 1: A conscious acting choice. Andrew. It was all very carefully

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Speaker 3: She's softening. She's softening.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's really sweet to watch it because I get

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Speaker 3: Told me you dated.

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Speaker 1: I have pictures. I have pictures to prove it.

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Speaker 3: Pictures to prove it.

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Speaker 4: I will. I feel guilty about that. That's probably all

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Speaker 4: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Admirable, admirable restraint.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we didn't. You couldn't tell. The chemistry

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Speaker 3: I believe you guys.

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Speaker 4: It was that we we handled it well. I remember

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Speaker 1: Well do you remember me having to talk with you

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Speaker 2: Everyone we asked all the boys this, Do you remember

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Speaker 4: I hope we had to talk about that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: We we did were dating. Did your characters date on

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Speaker 1: I don't on your side of it.

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Speaker 3: What do you feel, Andrew?

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Speaker 1: I want to jump in if he has a different opinion.

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Speaker 3: No pressure, but we're all just waiting.

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Speaker 1: For you to think he's actually frozen.

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Speaker 3: Frozen he picked a really convenient such a good actor

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Speaker 3: when he just sits there and he doesn't even I

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Speaker 1: Okay, sorry we lost you.

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Speaker 4: Sorry.

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Speaker 3: I like how you just like popped out, right.

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Speaker 1: I said, I said, very casually. And we were friends

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Speaker 1: after and then.

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Speaker 3: You frozz and disappeared.

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Speaker 1: That's what we saw. Yeah, you're like, I'm still mad

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Speaker 4: What I was kind of saying was, yeah, that our relationship, Uh,

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Speaker 4: I know you had already been kind of fairly well known,

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Speaker 1: So oh, that's so sweet and honestly like it was.

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Speaker 1: We do glamorous things. But you lived in a house

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Speaker 4: Yahoo?

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Speaker 4: Well there were friends from.

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00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 2: Soccer players, journalists, all the things you thought of.

443
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was very like grounded. And then I

444
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 1: bought my first house, right up the street from where

445
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 1: your rental house was, which is very sweet. And what

446
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: I remember today driving in Do you remember going with

447
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: me to adopt my first dog? Is a grown up?

448
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: To the.

449
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 3: Dog grown up? You're saying you were a grown up.

450
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: I was a grown up. Also, the dog was a

451
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 1: grown up. Andrew came with me. I should find it very.

452
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 3: Grown up anywhere. Remember that.

453
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: It wasn't that sweet though, So you're part of that

454
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: very sweet memory for me?

455
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember. I remember they were so beautiful and

456
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 4: where where are percentes from Africa?

457
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 1: Africa? And they don't they don't they don't bark, They

458
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: like sort of they yodel.

459
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 2: My neighbor has eight she just had a litter and

460
00:23:55,000 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 2: and every time we drive down the driveway.

461
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: Wow, that's so rare. That's so interesting.

462
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 3: Make us sound really just like this, Oh.

463
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: That's so rare. They yodeled, they made a lot of noise.

464
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 3: We just went did you get Yeah?

465
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 4: But Lord didn't have to talk about any of herd dating.

466
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: You know.

467
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 3: It's so funny because we just we just we just

468
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 3: had grant on and I thought about this after, like

469
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 3: we didn't really talk about that, Like we're in the

470
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 3: same room and it just wasn't like a conversation. It

471
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 3: didn't it didn't come up, and like, you know, we

472
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 3: went out, We all went out to lunch, after which

473
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 3: we wish we could go out to lunch with you

474
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 3: if you would only, you know, come to la.

475
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: To you let us know, please, we could bring you

476
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: on zoom, Like we could have you on a phone

477
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: and like seated at the table with us. Yeah, He's like,

478
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: we could.

479
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 3: I really we could do that sounds complicated, but yeah,

480
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 3: like the topic just didn't kind of come up, and

481
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 3: I didn't know if it was like, oh, you know,

482
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 3: it was just it was just so nice to be

483
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 3: like so comfortable, Like all of us feel like that

484
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 3: cast and that group and that time in our lives

485
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 3: led to such like lasting friendships even if we don't

486
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 3: see each other for years whatever. It's so easy and

487
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 3: great and I'm so grateful for it to be able

488
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 3: to just text you like, hey, how are you, like

489
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 3: after years or whatever, Like it's just feels like such

490
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 3: a nice, comfortable thing to feel like we all, yes,

491
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 3: we dated in our twenties, Grant and I and you

492
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 3: two dated in your twenties too, but like all these

493
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 3: years later, it's just such a fond and friendly and

494
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 3: warm group as a whole. I just feel so grateful

495
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 3: for that. I think it's really special.

496
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 1: That's true.

497
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 4: I agree, and I think everybody has has given to

498
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 4: it in that way and kind of nurtured the relationships.

499
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 4: It's it's it's unique. I think all the people were

500
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 4: just quality people, Like I said, very professional, So I thought, yeah,

501
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 4: I think we all.

502
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 2: In a show like that lasts. It really is like

503
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 2: it's like college or something, right, Like it's those years,

504
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: every single day, five days a week, long hours, especially

505
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: we're shooting doubles. We did twenty two up to thirty

506
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 2: two or thirty four episodes a year, like you see

507
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 2: each other more than you see others in your life.

508
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you remember going to re Calendars for lunch?

509
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: Remember that? What did you order? Do you remember your order?

510
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 4: Every time?

511
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 3: I was wondering, were you eating carbs back then? Because

512
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 3: he eats anything?

513
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: You've never had Andrew's leg, Like if you were to

514
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: touch Andrew's leg, it feels like that wooden table, Like

515
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: his body doesn't make fat, all right, it is crazy.

516
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: Did you get a fat cell, sweetie? Did you have

517
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 1: a fat cell? You have to deal with one or two.

518
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: So sorry, that's so hard for you.

519
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 3: So Andrew, like you were always doing so many other things,

520
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 3: like while while we were shooting a television show, and

521
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 3: like you said, it was a lot, there was a

522
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 3: lot going on, but you were also like developing these

523
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 3: other ideas, and you always had something completely different aside

524
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 3: from acting that you were doing. And the first thing

525
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 3: was do something. Was that like sort of the first

526
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: other thing that you did. I mean, I knew you

527
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 3: had already been a soccer player and you were still

528
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 3: always playing, so you.

529
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 2: Were starting to do something. In our production office, I

530
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 2: remember you using the fax machine like you were always

531
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: in there.

532
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 3: Do you remember that with.

533
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 4: The facts I was I was, I was on that

534
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 4: fax machine a lot tax machines. Again, I think it

535
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 4: kind of kept my sanity. My sister, she just showed

536
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 4: me that it was an opportunity to do other things.

537
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 4: It's kind of a means to other ends. And I

538
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 4: also just felt so fortunate. It just seemed crazy to

539
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 4: have the ability to go on talk shows and talk

540
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 4: about things. And it also seemed weird to me to

541
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 4: be promoting, like the whole idea was to promote yourself.

542
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 4: So more people would know you so that you could

543
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 4: get the next part. And that all just seemed very

544
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 4: weird to me. And obviously you had to go on

545
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 4: those shows and try and be funny, which Courtney was

546
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 4: really good at being funny. But I had liked working

547
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 4: on these other things and then be able to go

548
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 4: talk about them and do something. Had come out of

549
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 4: an experience I had had in high school. You know,

550
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 4: I lost my older brother, who was, you know, kind

551
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 4: of my idol in life, and he had been an

552
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 4: Eagle Scout, and so I had a lot of things

553
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 4: that I The acting thing happened randomly for me. It

554
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 4: was not kind of in my I didn't have real

555
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 4: vision for my life, to be honest, and I lost

556
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 4: my brother my senior year in college, so I kind

557
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 4: of was in a wayward mode when I went over

558
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 4: to Africa, and so when the acting thing happened, I

559
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 4: immediately felt, this, this is an opportunity to do something else,

560
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 4: Like this is not about you and acting and being

561
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 4: famous or any of that stuff. So I think to

562
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 4: ground me and to connect back to my brother, starting

563
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 4: to do something was just really healthy and it's still

564
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 4: running amazingly well all these years later.

565
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: And did you pass it on to someone else? Starting

566
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: to interrupt, but did you someone else runs it?

567
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 3: Now?

568
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 4: I think two of Yeah. The two my buddy Mike

569
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 4: Sanchez and I we started together. He was running it.

570
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 4: We were always partners in crime and then and then

571
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 4: we started a business together in nineteen ninety nine, which

572
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 4: he's now still running. I'm at the offices right now

573
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 4: of that company we started. It's called Kathya Media. And

574
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 4: we did pass on the leadership multiple times and have

575
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 4: an incredible CEO do something right now, and.

576
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: You want to just tell the audience, like what that is?

577
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 3: What is do something?

578
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, so do something. At the time, there were so

579
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 4: many great social entrepreneurs like Wendy cop who started Teach

580
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 4: for America and Alan Casey who had started City Year.

581
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 4: These were social entrepreneurs who came up with ideas and

582
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 4: created their own organizations. And so I had had an

583
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 4: experience in high school because I had quit Boy Scouts

584
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 4: and felt guilty about it, and that it was just

585
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 4: called Student Serving Seniors, which also still runs at my

586
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 4: high school. And so that experience, I felt we could

587
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 4: we could figure out how to give that to other

588
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 4: young people. So that creating kind of the little leagues

589
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 4: for service to end up becoming kind of the you know,

590
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 4: the the Wendy Cops and the Allen Cazys of the world.

591
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 4: So we created clubs and schools, We had grants, and

592
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 4: then once the Internet started, it was a lot through

593
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 4: text messaging and so so do something as kind of

594
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 4: the premier organization for getting young people involved in service

595
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 4: and getting them to create their own projects and then

596
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 4: growing them and building them. Not unlike what I did

597
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 4: in high school, next to millions of kids around the country.

598
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 4: And I think now, especially with the state of our country,

599
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 4: we need young people more than ever to realize that

600
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 4: they have a role to play, and so we give

601
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 4: them tools, we get them funding, give them inspiration. So

602
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 4: that's it's a you know, it's it's something we will

603
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 4: we will always need in this country, is to inspire

604
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 4: and activate young people.

605
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: It's amazing, so great you were doing that while we

606
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: were and learning all the lines on the show and

607
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: coming and doing our stories lines.

608
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 3: You know, and it's still a thing now, like it's

609
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 3: a really big deal. You must be so proud of it.

610
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 4: Oh wow, Well again it's been because it's been passed

611
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 4: on to great leadership. Genora, who's the CEO now is awesome.

612
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 4: But I just as you said that learning the lines

613
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 4: I remember because I was also playing soccer in nineteen

614
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 4: ninety six with the Galaxy, and I remember going home

615
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 4: but not having time to shower. Was I was in

616
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 4: such a studio that I literally took the hose and

617
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 4: just then got in the car, turned the the it

618
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 4: was like ninety Dev's out and turned the heater on

619
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 4: and was literally like drying my head and learning the

620
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 4: lines that I had like sitting up there. Yeah, it

621
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 4: was a lot, just not exactly how an actor would

622
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 4: would do that.

623
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: Well, you were always a fan of learning the lines

624
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: on the go. I remember walking on the set with

625
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: you many times. You're going, now, what are we doing today?

626
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm starting an n G O over here,

627
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: so and I'm playing soccer with Galaxy.

628
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 3: So you were much more than an actor. Well, yeah,

629
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 3: so you left the show in ninety six, ninety eight,

630
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 3: Oh you stayed till ninety Okay, right, so you.

631
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 4: Stayed with six years. Yeah, we started ninety.

632
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 3: Two and then was there a reason you you chose

633
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 3: to leave was that you were starting something else yet

634
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 3: another business, and you were going off to do something else?

635
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 3: What was that?

636
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: So did you do one year after the three of

637
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: us left? You did your six?

638
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 4: I did your six?

639
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: Wow?

640
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 3: What was that like?

641
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: Without us?

642
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 3: Did you talk about us?

643
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 4: Are?

644
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: Did you miss us every single day? What about us?

645
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 4: Back then? We were there were so many people on

646
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 4: the show, and like I said, we were doing still

647
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 4: doing double episodes. You you just didn't work that much,

648
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 4: so it was pretty easy. And I do remember trying

649
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 4: to negotiate where I could do half the episodes and

650
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 4: they're like, no, you know for season seven. So I

651
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 4: was going to talk season seven, but I was like,

652
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 4: I only do want to do half the episodes. I

653
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 4: did think for a minute. I was thinking about like,

654
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 4: all right, are you gonna are you going to leave

655
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 4: acting or are you really going to try? And yeah,

656
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 4: make a make a career out of this. And I

657
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 4: was intrigued with going back and living on the East

658
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 4: Coast starting a business, and so I had a decision

659
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 4: to make and I so I was kind of straddling both.

660
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 4: And I thought, if you're going to keep going on

661
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 4: the acting front, you probably want to get off the

662
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 4: show before it before it sinks. That the longer you're

663
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 4: on it more. You're connected to that character, it's hard

664
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 4: to go off and do do other things. So I

665
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 4: felt like I was. I also knew that year six,

666
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 4: when you've had a five year contract, year six is

667
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 4: the one year where you can make some some pretty

668
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 4: good money. So I definitely he's a.

669
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 3: Businessman through and through clearly.

670
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: So do you have kids by then? When did you

671
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: start having kids?

672
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 4: I did? I did? Nate? Was Nate's birthday? Actually, my

673
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 4: oldest is today?

674
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 2: They got few birthday?

675
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 1: Neet? How old is he?

676
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 4: Twenty eight years old? Wow? He was born in ninety six.

677
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 4: And then Aiden was born in ninety eight. So Aidan

678
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 4: was born just after we finished the sixth year. And

679
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 4: then yeah, so I had just really Nate in that

680
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 4: year and a half before the ship before I left

681
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 4: the show.

682
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: And then did you move back east right after you

683
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: finished that last season?

684
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 4: Uh? Pretty much pretty much like another five months later? Yeah?

685
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 3: Where Andrew?

686
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: Where did you guys grow up? I know you went

687
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: to Dartmouth, where, coincidentally, my mom worked for twelve years.

688
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: Can I tell my Dartmouth story?

689
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 2: Did you grow up in New York?

690
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 4: I grew up in Northern New Jersey, Okay, in South Orange,

691
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 4: New Jersey.

692
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: All right, I want to tell my Dartmouth story. So

693
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: when Andrew and I were dating, he had a reunion

694
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: of some sort at Dartmouth and we went back to Dartmouth.

695
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: It was fun for me because I didn't go to college.

696
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: I got to pretend I went to college. And we

697
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: went to his fraternity and walked on into the basement

698
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: and the smell I can't even tell you. And I said,

699
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: what is the smell? And he goes, oh, the basement

700
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: is where people go to throw up.

701
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 3: Yes, it's spress your experience of call a fraternity bass

702
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 3: and you take her to the nicest places. It's literally

703
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 3: the fraternity.

704
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 4: That what I said. That is not what I said.

705
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 4: I may have said every now and then people it's

706
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 4: a vomatorium. Accidentally throw up from the smell.

707
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: Uh every now and then was fairly often. And I'm

708
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: just saying maybe of guys doesn't do a whole lot

709
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: of cleaning up on a regular basis. Not seem that

710
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: those who lived there head adjusted to the smell. I

711
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: had not. Well, they're guys, they do standard. You were,

712
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: but you said, it's a matter of fact, Oh yeah,

713
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: that's what people go to throw up and I know

714
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 1: you deny it now, but that's what you said.

715
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 4: There may have been some throwing up down there, but

716
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 4: let's get cleaned. Its just sometimes it's, you know, all

717
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 4: the beer, the stale beer.

718
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 1: A bunch of it's a twelve year old guys.

719
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: It was such a nice thing to show her, though,

720
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: I think that's so so romantic.

721
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 4: That means myraites is U is the fraternity that that

722
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 4: animal house.

723
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: Okay, now it all makes sense. Yes, we have our verdict.

724
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 3: Okay, you just answered the question.

725
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: It is where they threw us.

726
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 4: But you were very I remember you were appreciated by

727
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 4: by all kinds of students there.

728
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: What are some narrows memories that you have when you

729
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: think about that time? What comes to mind?

730
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 4: I remember life just being full, and I think, you know,

731
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 4: talking about going to Africa and not having necessarily understanding

732
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 4: where I wanted to go and and what kind of

733
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 4: life I wanted to lead. I just remember that time

734
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 4: feeling really alive, which was amazing considering after losing my brother,

735
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 4: I definitely was in a darker place and not believing

736
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 4: kind of in the in the the optimism of life,

737
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 4: which has to drive everybody's life is the optimism and

738
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 4: the opportunity of what could lie ahead, and again just

739
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 4: being with great people, having my first two kids being born,

740
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 4: being able to work on all these different projects, to

741
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 4: be in la in this brand new environment. It was.

742
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 4: It was idyllic. I think. I remember going on the

743
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 4: Tonight Show and saying, I feel like I'm on fantasy island,

744
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 4: Like how this all happened, I don't know, but I

745
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 4: feel I just felt very fortunate and grateful.

746
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: Grant was mentioning that too, that sense of like nostalgia,

747
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: that time of potential. You said something similar to that,

748
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: that energy and that fullness, and you know, I love

749
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: just about life, like you never know what corner, what audition,

750
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: what thing, what one little thing you say yes to?

751
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 3: And look, you know, you.

752
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 4: Got calls all the time for new exciting things. It's like, oh,

753
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 4: they want to do a gat bed or they want

754
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 4: to do.

755
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: A bad I'd forgotten we did Laoreal.

756
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 4: Appearances in Australia, and there's just so many differently I met.

757
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 4: It's Zakrabin, who uh at the time, was the leader

758
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 4: of Israel, probably five months before he was assassinated, and

759
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 4: his wife was a huge fan of the show and

760
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 4: so he crazy, right, He was like, yeah, it was.

761
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 4: It was amazing.

762
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: Do you remember campaigning for Clinton? You dragged poor little

763
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: met who really still just wants to be home with

764
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: her dogs, meditating on her couch, and you dragged me

765
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 1: campaign like on a bus. We went campaigning with Clinton,

766
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: and I campaigning for Clinton, not with him. He wasn't saying,

767
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: what I need is Andrew and Alice Andrew and Courtney

768
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: on my bus? No, but we were campaigning for him,

769
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: and we were with Laura Dern and Jeff Goldbloom. Do

770
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: you remember that? And I remember somebody walking up now,

771
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: Laura Dern and Jeff Goldbloom are both hugely tall people.

772
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: And I remember somebody coming up to me and going,

773
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: I was just talking to my friend. You and Andrew were

774
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: up there, next to next to Laura and Jeff. And

775
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 1: I remember saying, Andrew and Courtney, they are tiny little people.

776
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: They're the cutest, tiniest little people. I don't know how

777
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: to take that, which are very tall. But do you

778
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: remember that. I don't know how many times we did it,

779
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 1: but it was exciting.

780
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 4: I do. I do remember that. And you were you

781
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 4: were a trooper to do it.

782
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: That's a very nice way to say it. You're a

783
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: trooper kind of means I would have got my heart

784
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: in it. I followed you around IM like, all.

785
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 4: Right, I remember I'm not hugely tall, but it's true

786
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 4: that TV can make you look like yeah six too,

787
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 4: what do you look?

788
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's bring it back to Billy, just doing Billy

789
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: playing Billy.

790
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: What you liked about him?

791
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: What you know?

792
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 3: What do you remember? Do you remember any like scenes

793
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 3: or storylines that stood out? Did you enjoy did you

794
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 3: not enjoy?

795
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 4: I did. I didn't love the fact that Billy kind

796
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 4: of got he kind of got walked on a little bit,

797
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 4: which it was. It was in the writing. Uh. And

798
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 4: in the first season when the whole kind of love

799
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 4: triangle happened with Alison and Amanda, I thought that was

800
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 4: that was better where I was. I was clearly not

801
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 4: large and in charge, but at least I.

802
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: Was being fought over by two women.

803
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 4: I mean I was navigating you know, some some some exciting.

804
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

805
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 4: I thought later they did. They just did. They didn't

806
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 4: didn't allow him to to thrive the way I would

807
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 4: have liked. But I think he was still very human

808
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 4: and he was clearly likable.

809
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: Enough super likable, and you know, we just watched because

810
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: we're a little bit ahead, and the watching. We watched

811
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: the bungee jumping episode when you get all the guys

812
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: bungee jumping, and I was saying to Laura, it felt

813
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: like when the show sort of came together, like all

814
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it looked like we were really friends

815
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: hanging out. And you brought the heart, like you got

816
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: everybody together. You really brought that energy and that heart,

817
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: and that's what Billy did, like you were the vulnerable

818
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: heart of the show.

819
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 4: You're sweet, It's true, really, it is sweet.

820
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're kind of like the everyman you know, like

821
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: you I know, it's not you know, maybe like the

822
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: glamorous or the like you say, large and in charge part,

823
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 2: but you are the part that the audience is meant

824
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: to identify with, right, like the guy who comes in

825
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 2: and then this stuff happens with all these different more

826
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 2: out there characters. But yeah, in that scene in that

827
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: episode specifically, remember when he's they're all celebrating in the

828
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: courtyard because you'd gotten an article in a paper, and

829
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: then they throw you in the pool with your clothes on,

830
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: and then they throw in Michael in the pool because

831
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: he saved somebody's life in the hospital or something.

832
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: It was like this tradition.

833
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: Well, we started dancing, and you were talking about in

834
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: the first in the pilot where you're going, yes, you're

835
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: all dancing with the broom And I was watching that

836
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: episode thinking we're all dancing doing like the hustle and

837
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: then going in the pool, and like that was before

838
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: we started saying that is not gonna happen. Everyone's dancing different,

839
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: dancing getting stuck in the pool. I was like, well,

840
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:31,959
Speaker 1: that's an early in the show.

841
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,479
Speaker 3: Well, the show evolved. It started out definitely as sort

842
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 3: of one tone and one dynamic it and it certainly

843
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 3: evolved over the years. And then with doing so many episodes,

844
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 3: we all went through so many variations of our characters

845
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 3: and so many ups and downs, and you know, for better,

846
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 3: for worse, and ultimately everyone ended up dating everyone and

847
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 3: everyone ended up you know, good, bad, indifferent. At some point,

848
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 3: I think characters were all a little bit of everything

849
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: because they there were too many episodes not to have

850
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 3: them travel from one thing to another.

851
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 4: Yeah. I do remember a stretch where Billy was borderline

852
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 4: mean and evil, and I remember the writers coming like yeah, we.

853
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: We tried that.

854
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 4: It was it was wrong. We're going back to where

855
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 4: do you remember why?

856
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: Why was Billy.

857
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 4: Being I think they were I think they were trying

858
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 4: to he was just getting to be a little too

859
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 4: plain and you need some bad stuff to happen and

860
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 4: instead of having it always happening to him. It might

861
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 4: have been it was either with a camera, which is

862
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 4: either Kristen Davis or Brook Langton. It was something that

863
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 4: was in there down the line doing something. It was little,

864
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 4: it was a little bit later, or they were like,

865
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 4: we got a spicy.

866
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 3: Well, we're going to We're going to get there because

867
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 3: we get to rewatch all of all of the episodes

868
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 3: and we're reminded of all this stuff that happens. We'll

869
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 3: eventually get there.

870
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: Do you remember having your shirt off and every other.

871
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 3: Let's just get to it, guys. We remember that, especially

872
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 3: early on, because that's how far we are into the podcast.

873
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 3: You had your shirt off quite a bit doing We're not,

874
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 3: you know, complaining, We're just noticing that. Do you remember

875
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 3: that was the thing?

876
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 4: I do. I do remember. It was quite chilly there

877
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 4: and I remember going on on what at the time

878
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 4: was read Just and Kathy Lee, and he said, I'm

879
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 4: going to be loaning you some of my shirts.

880
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 3: Okay, so you yeah, you had it aful lot. Yeah,

881
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 3: well it wasn't your idea. We realized, like, that wasn't

882
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 3: That wasn't Andrew going, hey, I think I should do this.

883
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 3: It was in the script. Just to be clear, Like

884
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 3: you know, when when these guys are shirtless, it's because

885
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 3: it was written. I remember I remember Grant doing, look

886
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 3: at this shirt off.

887
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 2: Of course I walk out, you know, like it was

888
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: just a thing, like would you just read your sides,

889
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 2: read the scripting?

890
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 3: Of course the shirts are stepping out of the apartment.

891
00:45:55,080 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think if we were, I don't know, you're

892
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 4: shooting something and you're not. You're really not really thinking,

893
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 4: like there's millions of people who are watching this thing

894
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 4: every week. You're just out there on the stage, Okay,

895
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 4: what do you want us to do? But then when

896
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 4: you're actually watching the show or later, you're kind of

897
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 4: like this is ridiculous. People must be like this is

898
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 4: not serious. People prancing around with no clothes off.

899
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it got less and less, like in the beginning

900
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: they would have you guys with it for no apparent reason,

901
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: like if you walk, you just walk on the apartment

902
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: without your shirt on. And then over time you could

903
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 1: see that you guys started saying, we need to put

904
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: the kibosh on this, and it made sense, like if

905
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: you were in bed or getting out of the shower,

906
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: then they would do it. But in the beginning, like

907
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: the first episode, they're like ten shirtlessing, maybe fourteen may

908
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: we counted. That was one of our things. We counted

909
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: so many. Do you remember, though, Andrew, what is your

910
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: craziest storyline? Do you remember the thing you had doing?

911
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: You were like, oh, I can't believe I have to

912
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: do that.

913
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 4: See I'd see I didn't get to do anything that help.

914
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 3: And I have to say, like Billy and Sydney didn't

915
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 3: have a whole lot together because I think maybe if

916
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 3: that had happened and you would have ended up crazier,

917
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 3: you kind of didn't. You steered clear, Billy steered clear

918
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 3: of Sydney, and you know, so you didn't didn't end

919
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 3: up in that realm.

920
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 4: It could have done a breaking bad thing where you know,

921
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 4: maybe I got cancer and all of a sudden, in

922
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 4: order to save somebody, I had to do some crazy

923
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 4: stuff there.

924
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 3: There are some good ideas that are still worth exploring.

925
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, but who did Billy day? So

926
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 3: Billy dated Allison, Billy dated Amanda? Who else would remember

927
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 3: he was in?

928
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: Who is the interested in?

929
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 4: Joe? Amanda lost Lost, lost the baby? Right, Yeah, you

930
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 4: were there and I felt bad. I kind of you

931
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 4: and I it was tough. That was that was a

932
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 4: very tough What else I was with? Like I said,

933
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 4: I married what was Kristin Davis?

934
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: That was amazing, pulled that right out of.

935
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 4: Brook Langton's brook Langton's character.

936
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 3: Was Sam Sam.

937
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 4: I almost married her.

938
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 3: But the later years.

939
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 1: And so when they bring in people, I meant of

940
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: like the core group because I think Heather Amanda dated

941
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: everyone in the building except Doug.

942
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 3: Right, she did not date I really didn't, That's correct.

943
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 4: I did not get it. I really only had Alison

944
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 4: and Amanda of the core of the Yeah, they.

945
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: Brought people in for Alison too. I think Alison did

946
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: it the later time date Jake for a minute. But

947
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: they really brought people in.

948
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.

949
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: They outsourced for Joe too.

950
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: They brought in they always brought in some evil guy

951
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: for me, and because I knew that Joe would be

952
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 2: attracted to him and they could create some drama, some

953
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 2: real jerk.

954
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 4: You guys became you guys. All the women were the

955
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 4: stars of the show. It really was centered around you guys.

956
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 4: We were we were props in and around with it.

957
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: Really did it feel that way? I didn't feel that way.

958
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, really, yeah, they had all the best storyline.

959
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 3: I don't know.

960
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,479
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I think so, He's right.

961
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think of watching because of you guys, and

962
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 4: then men were watching because of you guys as well,

963
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 4: and then women.

964
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 3: Were watching because I don't know, we do we hear it.

965
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: On the other side, women were watching you still recognized

966
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 3: for Billy.

967
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 2: Do people say this to you on the streets to new.

968
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: Looking exactly the same Andrew, it's isless.

969
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 4: My great gray beard. Uh. Every now and then somebody

970
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 4: will come up to me, and then they will they

971
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 4: will say, did we go to high school together?

972
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 3: How do you handle it?

973
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 4: I said, uh, no, I'm not sure. No, I'd say

974
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 4: I just tell them I was on a TV show,

975
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 4: and always.

976
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 3: Like, did they go Nope, that's not it.

977
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: No, I never watched that.

978
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 3: Sorry, what else?

979
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: I don't watch TV? And I know I don't know.

980
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 4: Very It's always so nice. People come up and that

981
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 4: was that was that was such a huge part of

982
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 4: my twenties.

983
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they tell you about their place that looked

984
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: like our apartment building.

985
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly. Yeah, we're in where they had their parties.

986
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 4: That the Melrose parties were a real thing.

987
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: It was.

988
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 3: It was a really meaningful part of people's lives at

989
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 3: that time in their twenties. We all sort of remember

990
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 3: where we were, who we were with, and that's just

991
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 3: special and different. And I feel like that's what's coming

992
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 3: back around for us doing this podcast. We're hearing so

993
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 3: many stories about remembering that time in their lives and

994
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 3: what an impactful time it was, and it's so fun

995
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 3: to sort of relive the nostalgia of it. Do you

996
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 3: have any Do you have any interest at all? I

997
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 3: know you're doing lots of other things. You've got cafe media.

998
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 3: Do you have any interest at all in acting?

999
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 1: Again?

1000
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 4: Uh, not really. I think it's something Yeah, you never

1001
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 4: say never. I have a a movie project I want

1002
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 4: to do at some point. There's no timeline for it

1003
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 4: because I it's a very long story. But I got

1004
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 4: very deeply involved in the Lindberg kidnapping, where I got

1005
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 4: to know the window of the of the man who

1006
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 4: was convicted and executed for that, and uh, it's a

1007
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 4: fascinating story and love story. So I don't think I

1008
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 4: would act in it, but it's it's that's probably my

1009
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 4: will be my last kind of big entertainment project. At

1010
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 4: some point. I'll get geared up for that. I think

1011
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 4: it's I think it's the best picture type, so I

1012
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,919
Speaker 4: won't be writing it. It's a I love.

1013
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 2: We love the Billy typing and writing his script, his

1014
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 2: best American script, finger Bike.

1015
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: That how you really type? With the Hunt and Bank?

1016
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 4: All right, I did not do well my typing class.

1017
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 4: I've gotten better, but not much.

1018
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: What did Billy do for work at the end? I

1019
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: was trying to remember because you dance instructor then always

1020
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: a writer than a cabby? Do you remember remember being

1021
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: a cab?

1022
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 4: I was a vice president, went for.

1023
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 3: A driver, the vice president.

1024
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: And serious, I can't even wait, I have to I

1025
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: have to watch ahead.

1026
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 3: I were not there yet, were you, my boss? You're

1027
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 3: still a cab driver? Where we are right?

1028
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 1: Only my own part?

1029
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 3: Were you at D and D at all? Were you

1030
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 3: even there?

1031
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: It doesn't even sound familiar to me.

1032
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 4: You had a big job there and I think by

1033
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 4: the end it was.

1034
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: Is that why you dated Alison in season one? It's

1035
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 1: all coming Is that why you dated me to get

1036
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: to Alison, to get.

1037
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 3: To d So now wait, this is weird and I'm

1038
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 3: a little bit all coming.

1039
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: Together for me.

1040
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 4: This is why I left that acting was because of

1041
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 4: my success. I decided going to business. I really fertilized

1042
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 4: my success. Excused me.

1043
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 3: Wow, amazing, Well it all seems to have worked out.

1044
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 3: But I do have to ask you, like, hypothetically, this

1045
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 3: is just a complete hypothetical, but if there were an

1046
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 3: occasion for like a Melrose Place type of like reboot,

1047
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 3: she said. But she said that saying, if there were

1048
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 3: such a thing, would you consider participating? Would you be interested?

1049
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 4: Just a hypothetical if it was one of those movies

1050
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 4: like Get Out maybe.

1051
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 3: So yes, the answer is that what we're hearing the

1052
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 3: hypothetical world.

1053
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 4: I would never say no to us, to you, but

1054
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 4: it would have to be done really well.

1055
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, so hypothetically that would be real fun, wouldn't

1056
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 3: I mean, just just for the excuse to all be together,

1057
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 3: and you know, it's just wouldn't that be fun?

1058
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 4: That's a great idea.

1059
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 2: I want to know what you're doing now and if

1060
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 2: you are happy, and what is the project and what's

1061
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 2: the company that you're running now.

1062
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,479
Speaker 4: I'm doing very well. I am very happy, my kids

1063
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 4: are all great, and I'm working on a project. So

1064
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 4: beyond Cafe Media, I have a project that's very exciting

1065
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 4: that I think as the potential to be the basis

1066
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 4: for bringing our country together. Obviously, there's a lot of

1067
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 4: discussion around how our political leaders may or may not

1068
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,240
Speaker 4: bring us together, which I think all of us see

1069
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 4: that as almost impossible at this point. So what we've

1070
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 4: been working on is the idea of creating citizen assemblies

1071
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 4: where citizens come together from all different backgrounds, political persuasions

1072
00:54:54,360 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 4: and work to create model legislation. So it's essentially creating

1073
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 4: the structured process of articulating the people's will, which has

1074
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 4: never been done before. Traditionally, we can just vote and

1075
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 4: then our elected leaders will go and hopefully act on

1076
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 4: our Will'd be like, well, how do they really know

1077
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 4: exactly what we think based on phone polls? So we

1078
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 4: know that the country's so polarized that the citizens have

1079
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 4: to get involved, but it has to be done in

1080
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,439
Speaker 4: an organized, structured way. And we've just tested this in

1081
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 4: just literally in the last month in New Hampshire, spent

1082
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 4: a year long process of bringing citizens together so that

1083
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 4: they would be heard, and then eventually having a representative

1084
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 4: body meet for three days in Manchester, and they came

1085
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 4: up with four very specific recommendations. The Secretary of State

1086
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 4: was there, all the elected leaders were taking it very seriously,

1087
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 4: and at the end, I think ninety seven percent of

1088
00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 4: them agreed to endorse what they had put forward. So

1089
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 4: the unanimity was was amazing, and then the emotion in

1090
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 4: the room was incredible because they all realized this this

1091
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 4: country is in the success of our Our country is

1092
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 4: up to us. That it's it can't be up to

1093
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 4: the elected leaders. So I'm all in on this and

1094
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 4: have been working on it for about the last four years.

1095
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 4: So this is UH that I get.

1096
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 2: What's it called, Andrew, does it have a name?

1097
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 4: So the organizations called the People UH and the process

1098
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 4: that we're working on we're still in the process of

1099
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 4: branding the Citizens Assembly process. We piloted also a project

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Speaker 4: in Kentucky called Meeting of America, so that would be

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Speaker 4: the kind of the initial call to people to come

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Speaker 4: in and meet.

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Speaker 3: Like a town hall.

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Speaker 2: My imagining it.

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Speaker 4: It is a town hall that starts with kind of

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Speaker 4: a very involved process to get to the ultimate town hall.

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Speaker 4: But it has to be a representative body. It can't

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Speaker 4: just be well, who showed up, Well, it was for people,

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Speaker 4: and you know it. It's It's been done overseas. The

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Speaker 4: citizens assemblies have been done overseas, but in those cases

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Speaker 4: it was always at the request of the elected leaders

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Speaker 4: where they were trying to solve solve issues like abortion

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Speaker 4: in in in Ireland or end of life treatment in France. Uh.

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Speaker 4: It's it's been used for for budgeting here in America

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Speaker 4: and certain cities where they bring citizens in to help

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Speaker 4: solve uh sticky issues. And I think we have we

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Speaker 4: have too many existential crises building that where nothing has

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Speaker 4: been done.

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Speaker 2: And so it's fantastic to engage and to awakened the

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Speaker 2: public us because I think with all the everything that's

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Speaker 2: going on are in America, you know, it just feels

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Speaker 2: like are for a common reaction is to shut down,

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Speaker 2: and so you're creating it sounds like outlets and a

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Speaker 2: way to stay alive and engaged and take part.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the anger that's out there is real, whether it's

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Speaker 4: on the right or the left. It's people basically feeling

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Speaker 4: that they aren't being heard. Obviously, massive wealth gap that exists,

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Speaker 4: and there's a certain part of America that's doing really well,

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Speaker 4: and there's probably eighty to ninety percent who feel like

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Speaker 4: they've been they've been running in place for a long time.

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Speaker 4: So there's a reason why there's so much energy, sometimes

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Speaker 4: negative energy on both sides. So we need an ultimate arbitration, really,

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Speaker 4: and the American people are the only ones that can

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Speaker 4: do it do it at scale. Now now we need

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Speaker 4: to prove that we can do it at scale and

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Speaker 4: show that it's credible. The eyes into it.

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Speaker 2: And do you have a website that people can come

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Speaker 2: to or is that all in beta or is it.

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Speaker 4: We're not kind of ready for prime time national, but

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Speaker 4: you can go to the people dot org. It's it's

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Speaker 4: still kind of a small organization that's been doing all

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Speaker 4: these pilots. It's great to listen. First Project, which has

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00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 4: been doing a lot of the bridging work. It's really

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00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 4: the combination of three different movements that have been building

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Speaker 4: over the last ten years. Has been a kind of

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Speaker 4: a bridging movement, which is all getting people just to

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Speaker 4: have conversations and then there's a deliberate democracy movement, which

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00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 4: has been getting people to actually, you know, come up

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Speaker 4: with ideas and work through policy recommendations. And then there's

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Speaker 4: the political reform movement, which is about changing specific rules

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Speaker 4: like ending gerrymandering and changing the way we do primaries

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Speaker 4: and campaign finance. So it's the combination of those three things.

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Speaker 4: We have to you know, we're a sport that doesn't

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00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 4: score any runs anymore. If you had that, which in

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00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 4: some sports is getting like that, it just gets so

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01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 4: competitive and they get so good that nobody scores. You

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Speaker 4: change the rules. You have to do rules, and this

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Speaker 4: is a once every hundred years we have to change.

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Speaker 4: We have to improve our system. It doesn't it doesn't

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Speaker 4: deliver anymore, it doesn't. You just have performative politics. It's

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Speaker 4: all all performative and it's not really getting us anywhere.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing, Andrew, So no, no, I'm so grateful that

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Speaker 1: your vision is bringing people together and hope and unity.

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Speaker 1: That's so rare and extraordinary in these days, and you

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Speaker 1: have the energy and drive to put behind it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I remember when you were doing do something and now

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Speaker 1: this not to put you on the spot, have you

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Speaker 1: ever thought of learning running for office. I want you

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Speaker 1: in charge of everything.

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Speaker 4: I do. Get asked that right right now. I think

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Speaker 4: it's better to do what we're doing and kind of

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Speaker 4: figure out the right way eventually to bring in elected

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Speaker 4: leaders into this and to support this. But I think

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Speaker 4: we have to we have to prove that again kind

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Speaker 4: of as as the citizens who are outside of the

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Speaker 4: political arena, I think as soon as it becomes political

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Speaker 4: in that sense, then then right away it's like, oh,

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Speaker 4: which party, which party are you trying to benefit? And

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Speaker 4: that's really not what this is about. This is absolutely

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Speaker 4: about really articulating what the vast majority of Americans want.

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Speaker 4: There's so much, so many common sense solutions on every

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Speaker 4: issue from immigration to guns that you could get seventy

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Speaker 4: percent buying on. So it's really about creating a seventy

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Speaker 4: percent agenda that the American people put forward, not a party.

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Speaker 4: As soon as the party puts forward it's done. You're

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Speaker 4: into a deathmatch. So you've got to stay above the

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Speaker 4: party game. This is American people saying, you know what,

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Speaker 4: We're now going to be the adults in the room,

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Speaker 4: and we are going to create the agenda that the

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Speaker 4: American people want and then we're gonna have to fight

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Speaker 4: for it. Unfortunately, even if we put it forward that

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Speaker 4: the parties are still going to be like, oh this

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Speaker 4: helps you help me, like I'm never you know, they're

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Speaker 4: not going to go for it. Some some of them

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Speaker 4: will support it, but they'll be in like very purple

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Speaker 4: states where they have to support the thing in the middle. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Amazing Andrew, thank you for sharing really extraordinary, so excitedly has.

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Speaker 2: Grown up and he's doing it now with the world,

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Speaker 2: with the whole country.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're just so happy that, like, you know, you've

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01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,439
Speaker 3: been doing so many interesting things with your life and

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Speaker 3: that you can come on our goofy little podcast on

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Speaker 3: Still the Place and share it with us. It's like

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Speaker 3: so great to hear all that you're doing and just

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Speaker 3: great to see you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I give you guys a lot of credit for

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Speaker 4: doing this, and I know that that Courtney, I guess

1208
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Speaker 4: one day was like, we should do a podcast about

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Speaker 4: the show.

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Speaker 2: She called us and said I had my friend woke

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Speaker 2: up and said I had a dream You're doing a

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Speaker 2: podcast from Melrose.

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Speaker 3: And we're like, let's get that done right away.

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Speaker 4: Not everybody some people talk about things that everybody goes

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Speaker 4: out and does it.

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Speaker 1: I command you do on a far larger scale in

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Speaker 1: the world. So good to see you, sweetheart.

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Speaker 3: Oh and Doug is so bummed that he couldn't be

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Speaker 3: here in person and say hi to you and see

1220
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Speaker 3: you too, so he's he's jealous of a reason. He says, Hi, for.

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Speaker 4: Sure, exhaust it's one of my favorites.

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Speaker 3: And is there anything else that you may have wanted

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Speaker 3: to say while you're here and those place fans, anything

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Speaker 3: you wanted to mention that we haven't remembered to ask

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Speaker 3: you about.

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Speaker 4: Well, I just want to. I want to thank our

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Speaker 4: super fan, Jerry Seinfeld exactly reference he put us on

1228
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Speaker 4: the map for Jerry that was Maybe it's Larry David.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. Maybe it's been Larry David who decided

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Speaker 4: to do that.

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Speaker 3: It's really fun that our show had all those mentions

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Speaker 3: from all those shows that we looked up too so much,

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Speaker 3: and then we're talking about us and yeah, it's so flattering.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing.

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Speaker 4: And I will say say special thank you to Aaron

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Speaker 4: obviously he uh, he's up there, but he pulled the

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Speaker 4: rookie off off the bench and stuck him in there.

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Speaker 1: Yay, he did he knew you had something. Yeah, we're

1239
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Speaker 1: so grateful. We're all so grateful.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's been amazing to see you. I hope that

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Speaker 3: I hope that we can have you back and we

1242
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Speaker 3: would love to see you again.

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Speaker 4: Guys, love you, guys.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, and it's great to see you. Thanks for coming. Bye,

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Speaker 3: thank you bye. Oh my gosh, that was so amazing.

1246
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 3: And then we have We've gotten to visit with Grant

1247
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,919
Speaker 3: and now Andrew, and we have so many more fun

1248
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Speaker 3: guests coming up. But like next week we have we're

1249
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Speaker 3: back to our recaps, right, We're on to episode three,

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Speaker 3: Lost and Found, that's our next episode. We got to

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Speaker 3: get back in recap mode. Excellent here and still the place.

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Speaker 3: But that was a super fun way thought, that was amazing.

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Speaker 1: He's a very such a good guy, such an admirable

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Speaker 1: man to him. M h m hmm.