1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:01,160 Speaker 1: The guys from paying. 2 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 2: They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters. 3 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 2: I just love that I can hit any shot. I 4 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 2: kind of want. 5 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about 6 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf. 7 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Ping Proving Grounds Podcast. I'm Shane Bacon. 8 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 2: That is Marty Jerts and Marty. 9 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 3: It's a remote podcast and we recorded a few in 10 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 3: person and uh, this is our first, our first run 11 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 3: through remote. You're you're still dialed though, you're still in 12 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 3: the putting lab. 13 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm dialed here and I see you're you're 14 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: in the You're in the man cave right there. 15 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: I was. 16 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 3: I was just I was joking with my wife today 17 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,279 Speaker 3: she's been sick and then we have both kids are 18 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 3: home today and she said, thank goodness, we have this 19 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 3: man this cave down here that we can like get 20 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 3: away for an hour or two and uh, basically my 21 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 3: workstation at this point. But yeah, you know, it was interesting. 22 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 3: I was kind of thinking about this time of year, 23 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 3: you know, at school's kind of starting to wind down 24 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 3: for most kids, and this is when parents, I would say, 25 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 3: start to freak out a bit because the summer's long 26 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 3: and you gotta a lot of time with your kids, 27 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 3: and you start to plan out camps and programs and 28 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 3: what you can do with your children. And it got 29 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 3: me kind of thinking about PING and what you guys 30 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,919 Speaker 3: have done in terms of focusing on junior programs and kids, Marty, 31 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 3: And it's an important program that PING has established and 32 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 3: it's something that I know you guys are very proud of, 33 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 3: and it focuses a lot on junior golf and getting 34 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 3: children not just invested in the game, but kind of 35 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 3: a personalized environment for them to really kind of hold 36 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 3: in and take in. 37 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, growing the whole junior game is super 38 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: important to the family, to the Solheim family here, Shane, 39 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: And you know, I think you see it in so 40 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: many of our staff players. They've grown up being PING players. Right. 41 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,919 Speaker 1: This is in our DNA, and it's in our fitting DNA. 42 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: You know, we want to have product that's that we 43 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: can custom fit to the junior golfer. That again, I 44 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: think what we've talked about the essence of custom fit. 45 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: Custom fitting is so that you the player, you don't 46 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: have to make a just right And I think that's 47 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: a core problem that we solve with our Prodigy product 48 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: and that we believe in is that whole and I 49 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: can certainly relate to it. I can relate to scheduling 50 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: camps and my wife being a little stressed out right 51 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: now setting the itinerary for the summer. But that whole, 52 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: that whole issue of you're making a big investment in 53 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 1: your in your kids clubs, so you kind of want 54 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: to be like I want to. I want to I'll 55 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: get it a little longer so they can grow into it, right, right, 56 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: But then you have But but then that's not the 57 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: best thing for the golfers. They're growing their swing and 58 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: they're taking lessons, and they're at the junior camp, they're 59 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: at the they're at the course every day, and they 60 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: have clubs that are too long. That's that's a that's 61 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: a big, big problem for their development. 62 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was thinking about myself as a 63 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 3: as a kid, right like growing up playing golf, and 64 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 3: things have obviously changed a lot in terms of technology 65 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 3: and focus and obviously personalization in and around golf. What 66 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 3: is okay, I'm a parent, I have you know, an 67 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 3: eight Let's say I have an eight year old and 68 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 3: a ten year old and they're starting to show interest 69 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 3: in golf. What is the modern way about going about 70 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: getting them golf clubs? Because the old way was you 71 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 3: went and bought, like you said, longer clubs so they 72 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 3: could play them themselves into them, they could use them 73 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 3: for a few years. You obviously were making a one 74 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 3: time purchase. How has that evolved, you know, not just 75 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 3: in junior golf, but with Ping's involvement. 76 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that. I think the issue we're trying 77 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: to solve there is that, you know, I think you 78 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: and I we may have played Dad's cut down clubs. 79 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,839 Speaker 1: Of course they're heavy, they're too stiff, their lineals aren't right, 80 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: and things of this nature. So we want to provide 81 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: a solution there for exactly that age range. In our 82 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: first four ray into this was kind of you know, 83 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: the g A twelve driver, So well, why did you 84 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: name it eight twelve? It's for roughly eight to twelve 85 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: year olds, you know, is to get them in that product. 86 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: The one big part of that, sane is we want 87 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: to get them to the right length. We want to 88 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: get them into the clubs to have the right weight 89 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: and balance. That's like a really big deal the right 90 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: head weight. You know, the clubs are this short. We 91 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: don't necessarily care about building to a certain or designing 92 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: to a certain swing weight. It's more about the head 93 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: weight optimization. Right, you get that right weight and balance 94 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: so they can swing it for their specific speed and 95 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: strength levels. And then the other big piece is helping 96 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: somebody with the right building, the right like mix of clubs. 97 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: Like the younger you are, the shorter you hit it, 98 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: you don't need fourteen clubs. And we're not even trying 99 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: to recommend that with the prodigy, right, And that's I 100 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: think that's very helpful to the parents. Like Mike, I 101 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: have a six year old and a nine year old 102 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: and my six and they both started with a set 103 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: that was driver or five hybrid, nine iron sand wedge putter, 104 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: you know. And even then maybe they don't need the 105 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: sand wedge at the beginning, right, So you can start 106 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: with like a you know, I don't know, a five 107 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: piece set, or even even less than that. You can 108 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: go driver, hybrid, iron hutter. You know. It kind of 109 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: helped them as they evolved their skills, don't get maybe 110 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: you don't give them that sandwich at the beginning, so 111 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: they can learn how to manipulate the face and develop 112 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: their skills. So that's a big part of what we 113 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: thought through with the Prodigy, And we're not here to 114 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 1: push on hey you need all these clubs for your 115 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: kid who only hits hits their driver one hundred and 116 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:00,119 Speaker 1: twenty yards. 117 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 118 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 3: So if a parent's coming to you guys and thinking 119 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 3: about getting their kid involved, you know, in the Prodigy 120 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 3: program and kind of getting them interested in getting their 121 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 3: own set of golf clubs, but maybe they're nervous about pricing, 122 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 3: or maybe they're nervous about the kid growing out of that. 123 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 3: What have you guys done to maybe alleviate a bit 124 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 3: of that stress. 125 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely a big investment. I mean, I know 126 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: when I'm got my kids are playing, you know, whether 127 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: it's a mountain bike for them or they're into baseball. 128 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely a big investment. And so we 129 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: can definitely empathize with like the parent in that regard, 130 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: right because a lot of us here they're developing these programs, 131 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: we are the parents. So yeah, we developed this program. 132 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: It's called the Get Golf Growing Program, and it's really 133 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: to solve that problem of hey, you got your ten 134 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: year old eight year old golfer, and you the parent. 135 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: The first thing in the head, Hey, man, this set's 136 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: going to be expensive. I'm gonna buy them in my 137 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: eight year old. I'm gonna buy them to last them 138 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: through their eleven and then they're playing clubs that are 139 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: too long there for two years. We're like, okay, let's 140 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: solve this problem here. So the Get Golf Growing program 141 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: is if you buy like just five pieces of the 142 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: five piece set of the Prodigies, fit them to exactly 143 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: their right length for that time, and then and then 144 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: your kid after the Hey, this winter they go back 145 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: to school, they sprouted up three or four inches or 146 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: what have you. You send them back into us. We'll lengthen them, 147 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: reweight them, regrip them, ship them right back to you. 148 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: We usually get them back to you within a week. 149 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: Now your golfer can have an optimally optimal fit set 150 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: for that whole span of when they're playing that Prodigy product. 151 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: And it's been an awesome program since we launched it. 152 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: Tons of parents are taking advantage of it. We kind 153 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: of launched it out there. Hey, I'm not sure how 154 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: many parents are going to send their clothes back in, 155 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: but it's a lot, and so it's definitely working, and 156 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: it kind of takes the edge off. It solves two 157 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: problems at once. Hey, the big stick sticker tag. It 158 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: kind of takes the edge off that. And then your 159 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: golfers playing more perfectly fit product for the span of 160 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: when they're growing up and so they don't have to 161 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: make those adjustments to their game. 162 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, Marty, it almost sounds like what I know, I 163 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 3: don't remember. Maybe it was an American Express program, but 164 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 3: somebody did something with the NBA where if you bought 165 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 3: a jersey from a player and they switch teams, you 166 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 3: could send the jersey back in and they will replace 167 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 3: it for almost no cost. And again you're thinking about 168 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 3: how much movement we're seeing in professional sports now, that 169 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense if you want to go 170 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 3: out and buy a replica jersey and it's one hundred 171 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 3: and fifty or two hundred dollars, And this makes so 172 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,119 Speaker 3: much sense for a parent where when we think about 173 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 3: things for our children, price comes up so often, cause 174 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 3: again we're spending the money right, and we're putting them 175 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 3: in something that maybe we don't know if they're going 176 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 3: to last two years, three years, four years, or even 177 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 3: a couple of weeks. And this allows you to take 178 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 3: a bit of stress off of the parent and also 179 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 3: it gets the kids interested because you have a set 180 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 3: perfectly fit for you. This is what you should be 181 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 3: playing in this moment, and if you grow three inches 182 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 3: in the summer, good news. We can adjust your golf 183 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 3: clubs to where they stay with you. And Marty, if 184 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 3: if I'm right here, it's the same club, so you 185 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 3: know you're looking down at the same club that you 186 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 3: were looking at before. 187 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: Exactly what I did. And it's a good example. I 188 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: just did my nine year old. He started to hit 189 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: the ball a little bit further, so he had that 190 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: five club set and he started to establish a gap 191 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: between his hybrid and his nine iron, so it's time 192 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: to add the seven iron. So it's just easy. You 193 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: don't need to go out and do the whole thing 194 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: at once, right, and it's helped him with against shame 195 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: with that skill development. And we put a lot of 196 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: thought in that with our Prodigy set. Even when it 197 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: came down to like the putter design, it was really cool. 198 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: It's a putter we designed kind of with Louijus stays 199 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: In at the time and actually Corey Bacon was the 200 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: lead designer on this putter. We wanted to design and 201 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: answer blade style putter that had like that focus to it, 202 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 1: but still had some forgiveness. And so this putter is 203 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: called the Voss putter. That's the town in Norway, so 204 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: I had some hiss tied to our ping heritage there. 205 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 1: And the cavity instead of an answer style is exactly 206 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: ball with and that's the putter we chose to put 207 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: in the Prodigy line because we wanted the kids growing 208 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: up with a blade style putter slide are something not 209 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: too big and that forced that focus to your eye, 210 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: which was pretty important. So we even thought about like 211 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: those level of details in terms of your skill development, 212 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: you know, when we're in the when we're in the 213 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: design phase of the prodgy product. 214 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 3: So what's age? What's kind of the age focus? I 215 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 3: know you mentioned eight to twelve, but what do you 216 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 3: tell people that ask you? All right, my kids showing 217 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 3: some interest, my kids showing some promise, When do I 218 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 3: need to start this program for them? 219 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think, you know, I think our height range 220 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,719 Speaker 1: is kind of the guide Okay, a like fifty two 221 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: inches to sixty two inches, So anywhere in there. And 222 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: obviously if you got a kid that's forty eight inches 223 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: or forty nine to fifty, we can kind of hedge 224 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: it a little bit on that end. And we have great, 225 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: like really simple fitting information. And I think that the 226 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: earlier on you are in starting your golf journey, the 227 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: more you can kind of lean on just kind of 228 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: how tall you are, how long your arms are. Just 229 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: like our like men's mainline men's and women's adult color 230 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: code chart, we actually had to establish we had to 231 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: create our own color code chart. So when we developed 232 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: the Prodigy product, we actually went out and we leverage 233 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: all the Ping employees because, like the CDC, we went 234 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: to go get data on like wingspan or how long 235 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: your arms are, and there was no data out there. 236 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: There was no like growth charts for that information. So 237 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: we sent out this big survey to all of our 238 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: accounts and had them go measure their kids, and we 239 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: actually came up with the color code chart for juniors 240 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: when we launched the Prodigy. But I think that's it. 241 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: I think it's kind of that eight to twelve range. 242 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: But if you have a you know, six seven year old, 243 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: that's a little on the bigger end, and it's close 244 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: to that fifty two inch minimum threshold all the way 245 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: up to that top end, which gets close to kind 246 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: of five foot or sixty two inches is kind of 247 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: the sweet spot, which is generally kind of eight to twelve, 248 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: but really seven to thirteen. 249 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 3: And how much time are you thinking if you're talking 250 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 3: to a parent about, you know, going through this process, 251 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 3: what's the time commitmant? 252 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 2: You know, what do they need to do to get involved? 253 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: Yeah? So I mean a you could go see your 254 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: local ping fitting account and they have all the the 255 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: charts and fitting information. They might even have a demo 256 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: there of the Prodigy product for you you to try. 257 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: And we have even have a couple different shaft flexes 258 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: and again that's going to be driven by kind of 259 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: your speed and your height range and strength levels. So 260 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: we even have a couple different shaft flexes in there. 261 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: Or you could go to our website, Shane. We have 262 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 1: a really cool fitting charts called Junior Webfit, and you 263 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: just punch in okay, you punch in the heighthier your 264 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: kid you put in, You put in their wrist of floor, 265 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: which is kind of that measurement how long their arms are, 266 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: and even if you don't. You don't have to measure 267 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: that if you you can kind of hey, set it 268 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: for me and it'll pick kind of the average there 269 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: and then you just put in approximately how far they 270 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: hit their driver, right, and that's carry plus roll. And 271 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: if they hit their driver one hundred twenty yards or less, 272 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna recommend less pieces like a five 273 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: piece set or six piece set in there. And if 274 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: they start if they hit their driver like you know, 275 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: two hundred and two hundred and twenty yards or further, 276 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: that's when we start to fill out the whole bag. 277 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: And may you that to that gap testing. We do 278 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: a lot of testing with the juniors on gaping. And 279 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: so it's that easy. You can go see your authorized 280 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: ping retailer, maybe at your club or your local you know, 281 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: retail store, or go right on our website and click 282 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: on Junior Webfit and just use use that really easy 283 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: calculator right there. 284 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 3: And how do you tell people in terms of mixing, 285 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 3: you know, interest in the game for young person because 286 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 3: you know, there's so many outlets now, there's so many 287 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 3: places you can go clinics obviously, there's camps out there, 288 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 3: you know, ping junior league. What do you tell people 289 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 3: in terms of that process. You know, once now they've 290 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 3: got the golf clubs. Now they're very interested in potentially 291 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 3: playing golf. What's that next step to tell parents? 292 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 1: Man, I think the number one thing, Shane, I think 293 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: you could probably speak to this yourself is like have fun, 294 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: Like make the game fun, like you gotta gamify it. 295 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I know, I'm like bringing my kids on 296 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: the golf course late in the evenings. I mean, I 297 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: think a big thing my wife and I do with 298 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: the our two kids is we play alternate shot. So 299 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: we'll play nine holes alternate shot. This is really fun 300 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: and we can pay play at the same pace of play, 301 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: like is the regular you know kind of members tea times, 302 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: which is pretty quick. Like if you're not keeping up, 303 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,719 Speaker 1: they're not happy about it. So number one thing is 304 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: keep it fun. But there are tons of junior programs 305 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: going on out there. I think you've named a few. 306 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: PGA Junior League is super fun because that scramble style format. 307 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: And I know they have really cool commercials. Obviously see 308 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: Steph Curry and all these Right, my kids love basketball 309 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: the most, so when they see Steph Curry on those commercials. 310 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: They're like, okay, I'm getting in the junior league and 311 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: it's that team atmosphere. Any play a scramble, so it 312 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: takes like the pressure off of you know, it's like 313 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: a good entry point whether a kid is more skill 314 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: playing individual tournaments or not. Keep it fun. Tons of 315 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: programs out there either either at your local course. I 316 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: just think at least here in Arizona, junior golf has 317 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: really been flourishing, and you see a lot of opportunities 318 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: where through your local PGA Section tournaments, PGA Junior League, 319 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: other initiatives. I would say the big thing is keep 320 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: it fun and try to keep get your kids out 321 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: there with other buddies and friends they can have contests with. 322 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 3: And when does a junior transition to more of an 323 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 3: adult set. I mean, at what point are you saying, Okay, 324 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 3: you've gone through you know, our Prodigy program, You've gone 325 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 3: through the Get Golf Growing program. Now we're getting to 326 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 3: a full set of adult golf clubs. What do you 327 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 3: feel like that age range is and maybe skill set is. 328 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good question. I mean I think the 329 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: number one thing is kind of their height. If they're 330 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: kind of getting close to that five foot level. That's 331 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: kind of that transition point. So that's the first thing 332 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: to look at, and then beyond that's kind of the 333 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: speed factor. Like our Prodigy driver, for example, And we 334 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: know this because we're using all the same engineering tools 335 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: we're using to optimize our mainline product and our ladies product. 336 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: We're throwing those engineering resources at the Prodigy, right, So 337 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: it's got a lighter headweight, and then it has our 338 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: driver has fifteen degrees of loft on it, so that 339 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: may seem crazy, like why do you have a driver 340 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: that much loft? Well, slower speeds, like you need more 341 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: launch and more spin to optimize your distance. So if 342 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: your junior players starting to pick up some speed and 343 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: you just kind of know they're spinning their driver too much, 344 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: or maybe you get them on a launch monitor, you 345 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: can actually use our driver Optimal launch and spin chart 346 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: and start taking a look at Hey, you know, my 347 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: juniors get a little bigger, they get a little more speed. Hey, 348 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: on this chart, their spin is a little too high. 349 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: That's a good time to take a look in that 350 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: transition point of getting to a mainline product. The fun 351 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: part is now Shane with the G four thirty we 352 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: have this build called the HL build in the G 353 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: four thirty, which stands for high launch, and it's a 354 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: lighter headweight build. And this is the perfect marriage because 355 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: there is this kind of gap. Hey, I got a 356 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: fourteen year old, you know, maybe they're not swinging fast 357 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: enough for clubs, are a little too heavy in the 358 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: main line, they just graduate on Prodigy. What do you do? 359 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: We have this HL build which is lighter headweights in there, 360 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: which is kind of this perfect marriage. So you can 361 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: go to a driver that's maybe we're in forty four 362 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: inches or forty four and a half, keep the headweight appropriately, 363 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: optimize a little lighter weight, and help them make that transition, 364 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: which is a great solution there. And then you can 365 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: use con of our our mainline fitting tools like our 366 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: regular color code chart and other fitting tools start to 367 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: really work well once you make that transition. 368 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 3: Marty, when did you guys start to see these types 369 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 3: of holes? You know, I mean not just in junior golf, 370 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 3: but maybe in women's clubs and you know, a HL driver. 371 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 3: I mean, it feels like what ping has done so 372 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 3: well is solutions for potential gaps, if you will, And 373 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 3: we talk so much about gut gaping in your own 374 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 3: golf club, in your own golf bag, but gut gaping 375 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: and golf in general. Because all of what you're saying 376 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 3: makes sense, but I don't feel like it's been around forever. 377 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're getting more Shane, You're exactly right, We're getting 378 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: more and more nuanced. Is taking these certain segments of 379 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: the market, and a lot of them have been underserved, 380 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: like I don't know. I mean, hey, lefties, we'll start 381 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: with lefties. They were the original underserved. We've been them forever. 382 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: But you know, it's just doing things like cutting we did. 383 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: We did a test shame where we cut down. Let's 384 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: take dad's cut down driver and test it VERSU the Prodigy, right, 385 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: and we just absolutely crush it with the Prodiect. It 386 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: shows the value of having a lighter head, more law, 387 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: custom engineered shaft, all those things, right, And so that 388 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 1: just really validated the Hey, there's a gap there and 389 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: we need a custom engineer or solution there. Same thing 390 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: with the Ladies product. That's another really good example where 391 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: it requires its own custom uh optimization. Right. There's speed ranges, 392 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: there's line goal ranges, there's headweight optimizations. It's very specific 393 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: for those segments, and so yeah, we've been going down 394 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 1: a lot of these little rabbit holes, and I think 395 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: we've you know, I think today we're having fun talking 396 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: about juniors and ladies this HL build and how we've 397 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: kind of targeted those and designed solutions for them. Marty. 398 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 3: Do you ever have like an entire family come out 399 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 3: to get fit? You know, I mean, I mean dad's 400 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 3: getting fit, moms getting fit, and the kids are getting fit. 401 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: Have you seen that, you know, on the proven grounds 402 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 2: over the years. 403 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it is kind of fun. It is fun. 404 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: I mean, definitely we see a lot of dads and 405 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: kids here. I mean, I don't know we'd have let's say, 406 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: I mean a good example is one of our ambassadors, 407 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: Kerry Cosby, like the PGA professional year, playing the Senior 408 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: PGA Championship. Whenever he comes in, he's always with the 409 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: sun Banks, right, So there's I look at the calendar 410 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: and there's tons of those scenarios. We definitely see some 411 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: some A lot of couples come in and quite often 412 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 1: they'll be there'll be a family four come on in 413 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: and they're all getting optimized and it's really fun to see, Okay, 414 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: mom maybe getting fit for our glee product. Kids are 415 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: getting into prodigies and dad's getting in you know, maybe 416 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: set of blueprints or something if he's a player. So 417 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: it's fun to be able to service that whole spectrum 418 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: of the marketplace, right and playing golf as a family 419 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: is It's what I remember from my childhood. I mean, 420 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: people ask me how I got into golf. Well, I 421 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: went to play every Saturday with my dad. It was 422 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: the thing, like, I don't remember a Saturday we didn't 423 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 1: go play nine or eighteen holes. So it's such an 424 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: important part of golf and one of the one of 425 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: the funnest things about golf. And it's fun for us 426 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: to have products and fitting solutions, you know, for the 427 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: whole family. 428 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the solution part again going back to 429 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 3: this is you know, when you tour the facility and 430 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 3: you really get a feel for what you guys are 431 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 3: trying to accomplish, it really does feel like it's it's 432 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 3: checking boxes. And when you go through checking those right boxes, 433 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 3: where you know the women's clubs are perfectly designed to 434 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 3: fit those swing speeds and the junior golf clubs are 435 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 3: perfectly designed. And then maybe, like you said, maybe somebody's 436 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 3: not swinging it at one hundred and fifteen miles an hour 437 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 3: with their driver, but you know they want to get into, 438 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 3: you know, the newest gear and you've got high launch 439 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 3: for them. I just find it so fascinating that, you know, 440 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 3: it's almost like there's not one leaf that's not been uncovered, 441 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 3: you know. I mean, it really does feel like every 442 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 3: single day the team is working to make sure that 443 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 3: everybody's served, so everybody has their best chance of playing 444 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 3: the best golf. 445 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're yes, absolutely, Shane. I think we I think 446 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: you know we we right now have the most complete 447 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: solution for all those little segments of the market, and 448 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: there there's more to be done. There, there's more to 449 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: be done. I mean, I think we've all seen, Hey, 450 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: somebody else better with a heavy headway driver. But you 451 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: go hit it and it feels like a toothpick and 452 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: your ball speed goes down. But the other person hits it, uh, 453 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: and it works really well for them. So we're still 454 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: going down and segmenting the market with even more precision 455 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: than we ever have. I think our G four to 456 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: thirty driver is a really good example. The headway we 457 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 1: have on the s FT, which is our straight fly 458 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: technology driver built to counter folks who deliver the face 459 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: open path and put a lot of curve on it 460 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: and just want to straight. Hey, just give me the 461 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: club that straight exactly. Like not everyone's going to go 462 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: out and and put a lot of time into working 463 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 1: their game. But that's totally okay, Like we can we 464 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: can fit you for that. We're getting more targeted, more 465 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: surgical on our solutions and and and today we talked 466 00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: about some really fun examples that. 467 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 3: Marty, when did you first beat your dad? I mean 468 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 3: you talk about going out and playing golf with your dad. 469 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 3: How old do you think you were when you first 470 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 3: maybe got him on the golf course? 471 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: Man, that's a good question, Shane. I want to say. 472 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: I want to say probably like in the probably eleven 473 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: or twelve years old. You know, it's always playing nine. 474 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: I mean I think I always remember like Bogie, like 475 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: Bogie is par you know, like so in my head 476 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, when was I shooting forty five? 477 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 3: Right? 478 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: And I think that first time was probably in that 479 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: like eleven or twelve years old, like true legit, like 480 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: shooting shooting breaking you know, Bogie par breaking that forty 481 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: five level and then I remember probably shooting like a 482 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: forty one or two and then Pop shot forty three 483 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, took you down. We're going 484 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: for ice cream. Oh. 485 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 3: I mean, I was trying to think back of, you know, 486 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 3: like being competitive with my dad and on the golf course, 487 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 3: and I'm you know, I have young kids, and I 488 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 3: can't you know, it's hard to fathom that one of 489 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 3: these days Henry's going to beat me in golf, you know, 490 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 3: but I mean it's inevitable that at one point, if 491 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 3: he's interested in the game and he gets dialed in it, 492 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 3: he's going to beat me in golf. And to think that, 493 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 3: you know, I was reading something there was some dad 494 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 3: that said every year he fell on there on his 495 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 3: kid's birthday, he does a film where he rases his 496 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 3: kid because he said, at some point, the kid's gonna 497 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 3: beat him. But right now, I mean, the kid's six 498 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 3: and he's got kid's got no chance. But every single 499 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 3: year they do a race, and you know, when did 500 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 3: when did I finally actually beat dad? You know, it's 501 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 3: like Dad's actually stressing over a couple of mounths on 502 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 3: a nine to take down his kid. 503 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 2: Uh, it's it's wild to think. 504 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 3: And I mean obviously with what the club's pings are 505 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 3: put things putting together, that opportunity is going to come 506 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 3: around a little easier. 507 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: Yep, yep. Oh man, you got me thinking, I'm glad 508 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: I don't film that race with my nine year old. 509 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: He runs track and field. He's like a sprinter and 510 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: he he can already smoke me. So I'm glad I'm 511 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: not doing that. 512 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 2: Smarty, That's that's right. 513 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: Just gonna stick stick to the golf match. 514 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 3: So you know, if if somebody is going to think 515 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 3: about getting their kid into the game and into fitting, 516 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 3: and you're really going to give him a time like 517 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 3: ale like this might take you an hour, two hours, 518 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 3: five hours, a couple of days a week, what do 519 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 3: you tell people in terms of getting them involved in programs, 520 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,360 Speaker 3: getting them involved in new golf club fitting, all of that. 521 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 3: I mean, how much time is a parent thinking about 522 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 3: week to week? 523 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good question, Shane. I mean, I just 524 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: go back to keep it fun for the kids, man, 525 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: Keep it fun. Keep it like, get them in a 526 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: fun camp with some friends, with somebodies. The more time 527 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: on the golf course the better. It's hard to make 528 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: it fun just hitting balls on the range. Oky, you 529 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: can do it. You can have fun things on the range, 530 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. But the more time you can 531 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: do that, get them on the course playing you know, 532 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: have some different formats. Play some scrambles, play some alternate shots, 533 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: play some stableford. You know, have some different games. Kids 534 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 1: just love playing games. Keep it competitive. And then when 535 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: it comes to fitting, you know, just don't think you 536 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: need to have a bag full of ten or twelve 537 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: clubs for your kid. Get them, get them four or 538 00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: five clubs, highly engineered but custom fit. Don't go with 539 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: cut down your old clubs, and and and that would 540 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: be a problem, that would be a challenge for you. 541 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: And don't don't be tempted by buying them for how 542 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: big they're going to be in two years. So get 543 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: them into that right length, right now. And and we've 544 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: made some really tool simple tools to make that super 545 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 1: easy for you. Go around our website, get in there 546 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: and punch in their height, how long their arms are, 547 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: and you'll get all that information instantly, which is really cool. 548 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's such a good idea. I mean, 549 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 3: get golf growing makes so much sense. And I love 550 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 3: the idea behind it, and really, I mean it's it's 551 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 3: not necessarily as much science. That is just logic, right, 552 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 3: I mean, it's a logical way to go about it. 553 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 3: As your kid grows, allow us to do the dirty work, 554 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 3: allow us to you know, you know, extend the clubs 555 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 3: and add new grips. What's cool about it is I 556 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 3: love the idea of the new grips. I mean, you 557 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 3: think about getting new clubs. You're not necessarily getting quote 558 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 3: unquote new clubs, but I feel like as a young person, 559 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 3: when those show up in a box and they're cleaned 560 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 3: up and they're refinished and the grips are new, it's 561 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 3: gonna almost feel like you're get new golf clubs every 562 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 3: year as a young person. And as you and I've 563 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 3: talked about getting new golf club is one of the 564 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 3: greatest parts about being a being a golfer is getting 565 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 3: the box. 566 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: At home exactly. I mean, Shane, I remember thosere some 567 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: of my best Christmases as a kid. Man I got 568 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: a new driver, you would go out there. I remember 569 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: that was another memory childhood memory for me is we'd 570 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: always go play golf on Christmas Day. Christmas Day we 571 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 1: would do the same thing. I love that. So yeah, 572 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: this get golf growing program. I think you're exactly right. 573 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: You get your club, you get fresh, you get new shafts, longer, 574 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: fresh grips, nice and TACKI and uh and and now 575 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: they're they're going to be more fit to you if 576 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: you if they've gotten a little too short for you, 577 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: having to bend over too much, read too much, you know, 578 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: things of that nature. You know that the fitting is 579 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: so important, and you know that way you don't have 580 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: to make those make those adjustments. And the UH for 581 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: ill fitted equipment such a big deal, Marty. 582 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 3: I know people probably can't see you if they're listening, 583 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 3: but you're in the putting lab. When you go to 584 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 3: the putting lab, do you roll a putt every time? 585 00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 3: Or is it one of those things like are you 586 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 3: a a little bit a bit stricter. 587 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: Shane, I think you nailed it. I actually do. 588 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 2: I don't know how you can. 589 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: I usually roll these ten putts in here. 590 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 3: While I'm in here, I'm looking behind you, and all 591 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 3: I could think is I would be rolling putts immediately 592 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 3: after finishing this. I mean, it's so awesome to get 593 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 3: a chance to kind of be involved in that area 594 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 3: and to get a chance to really see what it's 595 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 3: all about. But yes, that's like when you go to 596 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 3: the like PGA Tour superstore and you go. 597 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta roll. I mean I do. 598 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 3: Really a couple of Putts always, I got a wall, 599 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 3: a couple of five fitters and see how it goes. 600 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 2: Marty always appreciate the time. Thank you so much. This 601 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 2: is the Being Proving Grounds podcast.