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Speaker 1: dot Com, the Giants Podcast Network. Welcome to the new

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Speaker 1: edition of the Giant Hubtle Podcast. John Schmulk with you.

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Speaker 1: As the Giants start to make some decisions in regards

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Speaker 1: to take a look at what they might do in

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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. And we're not really gonna focus on

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Speaker 1: Giants needs today, folks, but we're gonna try to set

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Speaker 1: the stage for what this NFL Draft has to offer,

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Speaker 1: which of course will dictate what NFL teams are able

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Speaker 1: to do. You gonna, of course pick the prospects that

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Speaker 1: are available and to do it. Two friends of the program,

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Speaker 1: you saw him on the Giant Suttle Podcast a couple

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Speaker 1: of different times last year. First Tony Pauline from Pro

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Speaker 1: Football Network, Tony, get to see again, pal, thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me back. It's good to be here, absolutely. And

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Speaker 1: then Eric Crocker Croc. He's the host of the Locked

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Speaker 1: On NFL Draft podcast, and I know he does stuff too.

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Speaker 1: Croc is good to see again. Man. How was your season.

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's still going, so I think that's good.

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Speaker 1: You know of being able to cover a playoff team.

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Speaker 1: We were worried for a little bit, but they squeaked in. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: The forty Niners will be taking on the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: on this weekend. Should be one of the best games

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Speaker 1: of the weekend. Actually, as a reminder, folks, you can

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Speaker 1: Make sure you go check it out. All right, boys,

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Speaker 1: let's start here, and Tony just a remind folks, how

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Speaker 1: many years have you been doing draft stuff now? Just

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Speaker 1: so we kind of, you know, set that baseline here

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Speaker 1: long before the internet, probably about nineteen seven. I got

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Speaker 1: Dell and Brian Burwell actually back in the late eighties,

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Speaker 1: started back then. Um what what what year were you born?

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Speaker 1: Croc just don't want to get that out there. Seven

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Speaker 1: So he's kind of close there with when he started,

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Speaker 1: and I'm eighty one, so I think I'm safe. They're

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Speaker 1: all right, perfect in the fifth grade. Four fifth grade,

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Speaker 1: so Crocodile on the player gown and then Tony's you know,

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Speaker 1: trying to find out some you know, random defensive tackles

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Speaker 1: injury that the Combine movie Anapolis. All right, here we go.

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Speaker 1: Let's start here, guys. Obviously, every draft is dictated by

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Speaker 1: in the draft of Tony. Let's start here. Put this

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Speaker 1: quarterback class into context, um that fans can have an idea,

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Speaker 1: maybe compared the past years, just what you think of

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Speaker 1: this year's quarterback class and how that might dictate how

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Speaker 1: draft night goes. If I had to use one word,

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Speaker 1: These are guys that have a lot of upside, but

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Speaker 1: they're not NFL ready. These are guys who I think

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Speaker 1: not the year for that? Croc. Let's start with you, gee,

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Speaker 1: Drew Tony, where do you have your first quarterback pop up? Uh?

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Speaker 1: maybe who is that guy? Possible? It's possible. I mean,

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Speaker 1: That's your Baker Mayfield. You brought up a perfect example.

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Speaker 1: Is it possible? It absolutely is possible because of what

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Speaker 1: these guys. Tony, is that the lowest you've had the

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Speaker 1: first quarterback on your board in recent years? Is can

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Speaker 1: you compare it to a different class? And Eric mentioned,

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Speaker 1: Just compare where would Neil land in some of these

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Speaker 1: Is he like maybe more of like a tend to

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Speaker 1: He's got a great upside. But because of the need

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Speaker 1: gonna go go much earlier the people project. How close Tony,

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Speaker 1: just in terms of raw draft grade would Neil be

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts crock, Yeah, No, I agree, And I think

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Speaker 1: the top offensive tackle in this year's class. He's my

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Speaker 1: number two rated UH the tackle UH Eric mentioned Christi

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Speaker 1: Charles Cross of Mississippi State, sheet Walker at a Penn

429
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Speaker 1: State is another guy. Phenomenal left tackle, phenomenal pass protector,

430
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Speaker 1: just gotta get a little bit stronger. Nicholas petite Frere

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Speaker 1: of Ohio State, who struggled against Aiden Hutchinson in the

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Speaker 1: Big Ten Championship game, but he's still a big athletic

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Speaker 1: guy who can play left tackle. Daniel of Minnesota. A

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Speaker 1: lot of good tackles, I believe, starting in the bottom

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Speaker 1: half of round one through rounds two and three. And

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Speaker 1: another guy who's maybe not quite a tackle. But if

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Speaker 1: you look at Kenyan Green from Texas A and him,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's a guy who you know, I put

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Speaker 1: on three different games and he was playing three different positions,

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Speaker 1: and then I hear that he also has taken snaps

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Speaker 1: at center. So he's the guy. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: he's gonna quite have like the arm length that people

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Speaker 1: are gonna covet at the tackle position, but someone who

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Speaker 1: can definitely play guard and potentially be a tackle. It

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Speaker 1: could be him. And I mean, there were some questions

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Speaker 1: about Tristan Wharfs and Resha Slater. Would they be a tackle?

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Speaker 1: Would they be a guard? Okay, they transition better as

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Speaker 1: a guard to the NFL. They've both been definitely solid

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Speaker 1: tackles in the NFL. I think Kenya Green again, I'm

450
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Speaker 1: not sure exactly where he's gonna gonna play. I think

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Speaker 1: people are gonna profile more as an interior offensive line,

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Speaker 1: but he is someone in a pitch who can potentially

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Speaker 1: play on the outside as well. How do you see

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Speaker 1: green Tony? I like him as a guard and some

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Speaker 1: people say center as Eric was saying, but I like

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Speaker 1: him as a guard. I don't think he's a tackle.

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Speaker 1: I mean he was slated to play up tackle Texas

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Speaker 1: A and M this year, and then he got to

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Speaker 1: transfer from a Tennessee Jimmir Johnson who actually started his

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Speaker 1: college career at Rhode Island, who did a phenomenal job.

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Speaker 1: They didn't have to move him out to tackle. I

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Speaker 1: think he's best in close quarters, a small area blocker,

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Speaker 1: and I think he'd be a dominant guard maybe center

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. Interesting. You mentioned cross guys, and I

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Speaker 1: think he's interesting. I did watch a couple of clips

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Speaker 1: to him, and I think he's a very good Foil

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Speaker 1: to Evan Neil, who you mentioned, is like pounds. He's

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Speaker 1: just this big tank out there. Cross is a guy

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Speaker 1: that I saw some video. That guy can move and

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Speaker 1: you know, can you transform? And maybe you guys can

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Speaker 1: talk about it in general, how much at offensive tackle?

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Speaker 1: Now are you worry about just drafting you know, the

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Speaker 1: best athlete and then you figure, look, if this guy

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Speaker 1: is big and he can move and he's an athlete,

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Speaker 1: we can train him to be a really good offensive

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Speaker 1: tackle even if he maybe isn't there yet. Like for example,

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Speaker 1: Colton Miller, Right, he's the guy when he got drafted

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Speaker 1: was raw's all hell. A lot of people thought, wow,

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Speaker 1: why are you picking Colton Mills for high Well he's

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Speaker 1: been training now he's a pretty good off tackle in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. So how do you guys? You cross it

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Speaker 1: kind of in that um crystal as you take a

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Speaker 1: look at that crop. Why don't we start with you? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think just in general, the thing that

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Speaker 1: helps him most is and you talked about how well

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Speaker 1: he moves his feet and his ability even though he's

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Speaker 1: lighter than the guy like Neil, to be able to

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Speaker 1: anchor down and take on some of those ball Rushes.

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Speaker 1: I think he did a good job of that for

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Speaker 1: someone that isn't as big in style as as a Neil.

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Speaker 1: Like Neil watching him, he's like a big wall and

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Speaker 1: it was hard for guys to kind of just get around,

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Speaker 1: and you definitely weren't gonna just power through him consistently.

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Speaker 1: I thought he had sometimes just losing his footing a

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Speaker 1: little too much. Cross. I thought he was a little

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Speaker 1: bit more consistent with being able to stay on his feet.

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Speaker 1: But and also I think the thing that jumped out

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Speaker 1: to me the os was just that nastiness like finishing

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Speaker 1: off blocks. That was something I from from Neil. I

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Speaker 1: thought I would see a little bit more of because

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Speaker 1: of how big he was, but I saw it more

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Speaker 1: from a Cross. So I think there were some things

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Speaker 1: that I like, you know, everybody knows, you know, once

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Speaker 1: you get to the NFL, they're gonna be a little

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Speaker 1: bit more stickler as coaching, you know, with the coaching

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Speaker 1: and and and technique and ability as well. So I

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Speaker 1: assume that they're gonna like the athlete the athlete that

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Speaker 1: he is, and be able to build on that as well. Well.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, uh, John, because you talked about

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Speaker 1: you know, how concerned are you about the guy being

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Speaker 1: a good athlete and you turn them into a good

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Speaker 1: offensive tackle. Why stop at offensive tackle, Let's look at quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Let's look at cornerback. I mean time and time again,

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Speaker 1: guys are drafted based on their athleticism and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: coach them to be good football players and it never happens. Now,

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Speaker 1: as far as Cross his concerned, yeah, he's athletic, gearage mobile.

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Speaker 1: I also like his fundamentals. He plays a good nat ben.

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Speaker 1: He stays square, he keeps his speak moving. He plays

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Speaker 1: that Mike Leach high power, high power and aerial attack.

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Speaker 1: Whether oh we throwing the ball, He's got to get

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Speaker 1: a little bit stronger. Here's something to keep an eye on.

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Speaker 1: Arm length and hold. He has short arms, so his

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Speaker 1: arms coming in under thirty three inches of the combine.

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Speaker 1: Because he's not gonna be in the senior ball. That's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a red flag where teams say, we're not

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Speaker 1: gonna you know, we're not gonna draft the sky as

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Speaker 1: the left tackle. And Tony and guys, both of you

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Speaker 1: guys will talk about this at the possess at the

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Speaker 1: tackle position. Now, a lot of those metrics I think

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Speaker 1: are are really considered important because these guys have to

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Speaker 1: block who really pound for pen Let's be honest, these

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Speaker 1: defensive ends are probably the best athletes in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: you know, guys like Myles Garrett, just giving their size

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Speaker 1: and strength and quickness, these are the best athletes on

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Speaker 1: the planet. Right, Like, if Lebron James played in the NFL,

536
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Speaker 1: people say, put him in, you know, wide receiver, tight end.

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Speaker 1: You put Lebron James as and I draws your guess what,

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Speaker 1: He's gonna dominate the game for you? Right, So how

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Speaker 1: much are those metrics now, Tony talking to the people

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Speaker 1: you doing that, Eric, you know, doing a lot of

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Speaker 1: the training you do just essential to how these teams

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Speaker 1: evaluate these offensive linemens. Well, you want an offensive tackle,

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Speaker 1: it's got long, large because it's an added advantage. If

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Speaker 1: you've got a guy that's got thirty three inch arms

545
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Speaker 1: versus the guy's got thirty four and a half incharms,

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Speaker 1: that extra inch and a half can mean maybe getting

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Speaker 1: your hand on Myles Garrett's shoulder pad and just riding

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Speaker 1: him from his angle of attack to protect your quarterback.

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Speaker 1: You know. So, so it all is very important. I

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Speaker 1: think the thing that is not as important as it

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Speaker 1: is in the past, especially the tackle position, especially with

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Speaker 1: the left tackle position, is you know, you always wanted

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Speaker 1: your left tackles to be six four and a half

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Speaker 1: six five, six six. I think teams are now more

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Speaker 1: comfortable with the offensive tackles that are six four six

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Speaker 1: three and a half even you know, you see him

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Speaker 1: in New England as a wind who was six to

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Speaker 1: in change. But if they can move, if they can

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Speaker 1: get out laterally and they've got long arms and they

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Speaker 1: can punch their arms to get the pets rushers out

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Speaker 1: of their angle of attack, and they're okay with that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I think also the add to that just being

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Speaker 1: able to keep a deeva the vin off of your

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Speaker 1: body right, you know the NFL everybody knows, especially in

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Speaker 1: the trenches, it's all about, you know, leverage and being

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Speaker 1: able to get underneath the guy, getting underneath his pads,

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Speaker 1: you know, have no long arms to be able to

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Speaker 1: show it off a defender. I think that helps, and

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Speaker 1: that's why they like those long arm edge rushers as well,

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Speaker 1: that can you know, win with the one one hand stab.

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Speaker 1: You know, you look at the office of Taps and

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Speaker 1: I get to watch a good one in San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: You know, with Trent Williams, one thing that he does,

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Speaker 1: I mean his hands, and guys just can't get into

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Speaker 1: his body and he's able to win there just with

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Speaker 1: his hands from a distance. So I think that when

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Speaker 1: you when you watch the film and you see how

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Speaker 1: he wins and how some of these tackles are winning

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Speaker 1: by really keeping the distance between them and the different event,

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Speaker 1: I think it's definitely a benefit. I want to go

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Speaker 1: inside for a second. We mentioned the tackles. I've seen

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Speaker 1: a couple of guys with Tyler linder Baum, who's the

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Speaker 1: center out of Iowa, as a top fifteen pick, maybe

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Speaker 1: even a top ten pick. I've been doing this, Tony,

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Speaker 1: not as long as you have, but I never remembered

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Speaker 1: a center going in the top ten. I don't think

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Speaker 1: I've seen a center pick in the top fifteen and

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Speaker 1: probably seven eight years, maybe even further than that. You

589
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Speaker 1: probably have those numbers in front of I don't is

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Speaker 1: that legit is linder Bomb that good of a prospect

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Speaker 1: where he could come in here at the back end

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Speaker 1: the top ten or between ten and fifteen in my opinion, now,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's another guy who's just being overrated.

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00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: I think it's a situation where you know the teams,

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Speaker 1: especially here in New York, that needs centers. You know

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Speaker 1: you read on the internet or or even you know

597
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: mock drafts people talking about Linda Bomb. Watched the Big

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Speaker 1: Ten Championship game. Watch what Chris Hinton of Michigan did

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Speaker 1: to Lynda Bomb in the Big Ten Championship game. I

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Speaker 1: like Linda Bomb. He's an explosive guy. He's heady, good fundamentals.

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Speaker 1: As Eric was talking about Ben's knees blocks with leverage,

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Speaker 1: shows some ability on the second on the second level,

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Speaker 1: but too many times he's getting raged out in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the line. As I've told people, especially Jet

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Speaker 1: fans who like uh Tyler Lyndon Bomb Tyler, Linda Bomb

606
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: is not as developed at this point in his career

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Speaker 1: as Nick Mangold was, and Nick Mangold was a late

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Speaker 1: first round pick. I do think Linda Bomb will end

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Speaker 1: up as the first rounder, but I think it's in

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Speaker 1: the mid set bottom half. I'm sorry I end up

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Speaker 1: as a first rounder, but I think it will be

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Speaker 1: in the mid bottom half of Round one. In my opinion,

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Speaker 1: it's not that he's a center I don't care that

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Speaker 1: he was the center. He was a dominant center who

615
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Speaker 1: just destroyed the opposition on every play. I could see

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Speaker 1: him going top twelve, top ten potentially, but he's not

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Speaker 1: that type of player. Again, go back and watch that

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Speaker 1: Big Tent title game what Chris Hinton of Michigan did

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Speaker 1: to him. You can add to that that if you want.

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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna throw this out there too. Was a

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Speaker 1: lot of people put a lot of these clips on

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Speaker 1: the Internet, and I hate how people will try to

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Speaker 1: scout players based on a couple of clips from one game. Um,

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Speaker 1: it drives me nuts. The way Hutchinson played against Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Did that bother you enough where it impacted what you

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Speaker 1: think of him? Where he did, you know, had some issues,

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Speaker 1: you know, being a consistent force in that game. Where

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Speaker 1: do you think that has been overblown by the draft? Twitter?

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Speaker 1: Rottie out there, I think definitely overblown by the draft Twitter.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're they're gonna overblow everything. As a lot

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Speaker 1: of people say, Twitter is not a real place, you know.

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Speaker 1: I do think there's a little bit to it, but

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Speaker 1: not enough to like just completely drop his draft stock.

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Speaker 1: It does make you go back and look at some

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Speaker 1: of the other performers and where there's some you know,

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Speaker 1: inconsistencies maybe going up against strength, right, you know, when

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Speaker 1: you go up against the Georgia team that's really strong

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Speaker 1: in the trenches. I mean you just look how they

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Speaker 1: dominated Alabama down the stretch in that game, and how

640
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: nasty they weren't guys finishing off the blocks late. You know,

641
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: they're just a kind of a different breed. So you

642
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: want to just kind of take it with a grand

643
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: and salt and kind of evaluate just that game. Okay,

644
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: well gave him issues, and then go back and see

645
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: if those things were consistent throughout not just this year,

646
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: but maybe last year as well. Telling your thoughts on that, Yeah,

647
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: first of all, I thought Georgia had a great game plan.

648
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just it wasn't just that they

649
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: neutralized didn't just neutralize Hutchinson by blocking. They just had

650
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: a great game plan. They take him out and take

651
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: them out of the game altogether, and they were just

652
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: a much better team. But I agree with you, you know,

653
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: I say, watch watch the Big Tent title game with

654
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: Charles Linde the bomb and what Michigan was able to

655
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: do with not just to base your opinion on Linda

656
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: bomb on that But that to me just shows that

657
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,479
Speaker 1: you know, he's not worth all of the hyper as

658
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: being a top ten pick. But I absolutely agree. And

659
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: you know there were some suness is where it plays

660
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: Vernon Gholston. If you remember beating Jake Long uh in

661
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: that Michigan, Ohio State game, had four sacks against some

662
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: rose up draft boards turned out to be garbage, I mean,

663
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: and everybody kept talking about that game against Michigan where

664
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: he beat Jake Long, who was the first pick of

665
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: the draft, for four from four sacks and and it

666
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: never panned out. So yeah, you cannot draft a player

667
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: off of a single game. I bring up the Big

668
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: Ten title game because a lot of people just watch

669
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: one game and and and developing an opinion which is wrong.

670
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: All right, Croc, who else do you like as some

671
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: of your guys that you would have near the top

672
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: of the draft class in your top ten? Oh man,

673
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: you know, I'm starting to look at the way the

674
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: game is going, and I like the safety position. Kyle

675
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: Hamilton's right safety is kind of a position almost like

676
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: running back that's a little bit undervalued. But when you

677
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: have like a guy that has like special trade special

678
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: ability and you look at you know, Kyle Hamilton's his

679
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: six fourth frame two when he pounds his ability to

680
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: play sideline and sideline the way he is. But I

681
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: think when everybody thinks about range, especially for a safety,

682
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: they do think single high sideline the sideline. I mean

683
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: he could do it from a too high. He had

684
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: an interception where he started on the far hash ran

685
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: all the way across the field, made diving intercession and

686
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: toe tapping. But I think for him his range doesn't stop.

687
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: There also saw a fourth and two play where he

688
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: starts off as a two high safety and comes down

689
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: and makes a tackle for loss. So he has the

690
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: big time ability. You know, he's a little long legged,

691
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: so his ability kind of play in space and more

692
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: of a match man type coverage. There might be some

693
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: questions there, but Sky's are the limit with the type

694
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: of physical ability that this guy has and his ability

695
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: just make plays. And for me in the game that's

696
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: wide open right now. In the NFL, that's really hard

697
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: for you know, opposing defensive to really just shut down

698
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: the offenses. To be able to have a guy who

699
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: could take the ball away and coverage so much space.

700
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: I think that's something that should be covered, especially in

701
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: the top ten with his safety, like Kyle Hamilton's Croc,

702
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: I love you brought up Kyle Hamilton is When Tony

703
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: sent me his top ten, I'm like, where the hell

704
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: is Kyle Hambleton's Tony, what's going on? Well, it's what

705
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: It's what he said about being long, lady, and you

706
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: know it's a It's NFL right now is a game

707
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: of quickness. You know that the receivers are smaller, the quarterbacks.

708
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: You know we're smaller. You want that quickness. And when

709
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: I watched Kyl Hamilton's yet I like him, Yes, I

710
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: like his size, but when you watch you know, the footwork,

711
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: the ability to quickly change direction, the suddenness, it's just

712
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: not there for me. The burst is just not there

713
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: for me. You know, I don't know if Kyle Hamilton's

714
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: gonna be a safety or they're gonna let him grow

715
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,719
Speaker 1: into an outside linebacker at the next time. I just

716
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: don't know that yet. I'm gotta talk to more people.

717
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: I like Kyle Hamilton's but that suddenness that we see

718
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: from say we talked about Cavon Thibodeaux, granted is a

719
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: different position I just don't see that suddenness or that

720
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: great quickness. And I think with Hamilton's, you know, he's

721
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: the guy where you know, Eric said, there may be limitations.

722
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: I don't know that you're gonna put him over a

723
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: slot receiver or you're gonna put him in man coverage

724
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: over received because that lack of quickness, the you know,

725
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,479
Speaker 1: the inability to kind of flip your hips. Maybe just

726
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: a guy who Jamal Outams type where he's gonna face

727
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: the action of play downhill. All right, So I think

728
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: this is a great conversation because people love Kyle Hamilton's

729
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,479
Speaker 1: So it seems like we're in agreement. Not a guy

730
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna line up over a slot receiver. Correct, he

731
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: doesn't have that type of moving skill. But if you

732
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: want to use him as a guy that's reading at

733
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: the top of the defense, which requires more straight line

734
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: speed and not necessarily change the direction against these quicker

735
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: slot guys, were an agreement that if you're gonna pick

736
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: a position for him, now that's probably crockerwill star with.

737
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: You'd be in the former debate, Is that where you

738
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: think you would put him the best take advantage of

739
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: the skill set. Yeah, like He's not gonna be like

740
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: a Daxton Hill, right, a guy that is just really

741
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: versatile and coverage and like Tony was alluding to the

742
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: change of direction defeat the Quicks, Daxon Hill has more

743
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: of that than Kyle Hamilton's. But you know, just again

744
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: going back to kind of covering the forts and seeing

745
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: how they utilize their safeties, they have two terrifics eighties

746
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: and Jimmy Ward and Jakowsky Tart. They're very different with

747
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: their usage. Tart he's better in space, but he also

748
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: can come down and make tackles at any time around

749
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. Maybe play more zone, a little bit,

750
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: more match type stuff. Where Jimmy Ward, yes, he's a safety,

751
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: he could play too high, you could play single high.

752
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: But he also is a guy that you're like, hey,

753
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: I need you to go cover Cooper Cup and he

754
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: does a tremendous job of that on a consistent basis.

755
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: So you're not gonna Askyl Hamilton's to go out there

756
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: the cover slots like Cooper Cup in situations like that,

757
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: at least with what the Fret knowledge do with and

758
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: not to just Tart. You know, they drafted who funga

759
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: who's not the most athletically gifted safety as well. In

760
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: situations like that, they roll with that guy to more

761
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: of a single high guy and let him kind of

762
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: read and react from space as opposed to matching him up,

763
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, in a disadvantage situation. And I agree with that.

764
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: But the thing is, you could probably get that type

765
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: of player in this draft later on. I just don't

766
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: know that. And while I like Kyla Hamilton, I just

767
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: don't know that I'm taking him with the first is

768
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: somewhere in the top chat excellent disagreement is what we like, folks, Tony,

769
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: Let's go to you. We've talked about Thibodeau, Hutchinson and Neil.

770
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: Who's your next guy or next couple of guys if

771
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: you maybe having in a tier or a group that

772
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: you think is are is gonna be that next group

773
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: that team is gonna look at. Yeah, three defensive players one.

774
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a surprised to people. I

775
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: like George Carl Laftis out of Purdue. You know, again,

776
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: we went through we talked about the Giants in the

777
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, that three four outside linebacker type that impacts

778
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: games up the field. He's an athletic guy, former water

779
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: polo player. Believe it or not, uh excellent bursuit gets

780
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: down the line of scrimmage. Derek Stingley. I mean, Derek

781
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: Stingley is a terrific cornerback. My concerns with Derek Stanley

782
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: why I like him is it seems that two thousand

783
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: nineteen was his best football when he was when he

784
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: was a true freshman at l s U. Had a

785
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: downer year in two thousand twenty, got injured this year.

786
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 1: I like Derek Stingley. He's a cornerback. We've seen quarterbacks

787
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: really rise through the draft process and go early. I

788
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: think Stingley is gonna go early. Just the question of

789
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: which Derek Stantley and we're gonna get and someone who

790
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: I absolutely love, who's who's overshadowed by his teammate, David

791
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: A jab of Michigan who plays next to Aidan Hutchinson.

792
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: Hutchinson gets all the highlights, but when you watch a Jabu,

793
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: he's like the Cavon Thibo. Though he's sudden, he's explosive.

794
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: He plays with a violence, a natural violence in his game,

795
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: a great change direction. He does a lot of things

796
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: that Hutchinson can't do because he's so much quicker and

797
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: he's so much sudden. I think his Jabu is in

798
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: my top ten right now. Is gonna go a lot

799
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: a lot earlier than people for det real quick on

800
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: a fill of Tony you see o. Jabo is more

801
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: of an off ball linebacker or as a guy that's

802
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: on the line of scrimmage. No, I think he can

803
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: be a three four linebacker that stands up over tackle

804
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: and then you can drop him into space on zone

805
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: blixes or things, or use him in the station when

806
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: you want to eat that athletic. He's that quick croc.

807
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: Your thoughts on that group, yeah, you know, and I

808
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: liked how he you know, talked about especially started with

809
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: the quarterback group and you have Derek Stingley Jr. You know,

810
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: he has a good size six one hund ninety pounds.

811
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: He's definitely gonna test to well. He's a guy that

812
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: they were thinking about letting him play both sides of

813
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: the ball, and that was some one of the agreements

814
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: that they had going into his freshman year. Eventually you'll

815
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: play receiver. Unfortunately, the injuries kind of slowed him down

816
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: a little bit, and then started to be more and

817
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: more questions. You know, I still have some questions just

818
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: about you know, how good his is he on the

819
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: high upside side of things. You know, you you look

820
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: at some of the games and match ups he had

821
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: against the DeVante Smith, and I know DeVante Smith a

822
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: terrific receiver, but in every game that he played against

823
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: Derrek sing he kind of had his way, whether it

824
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 1: was intermediate routes where it was vertically pushing routes where

825
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: it was winning at the catch point. He did all

826
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: those things against Derrek sinking to show that at a

827
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: consistent basis. So there were some questions that I had,

828
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: and I wanted to get those answers over the following

829
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: two years, but we just never got those because of

830
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: the injuries. And then when he you know, you talk

831
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: about I liked that he brought up a car car

832
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: like this, uh the addresser front Purdue. You know, that's

833
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: a bigger body guy. I think, you know some of

834
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: the things I saw right away, that jump, doubt his

835
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: first step, it's tremendous, being able to get up field

836
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: right now, being able to be explosive. I think all

837
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: of that I would like see a little bit more

838
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: bend and be able to change the direction a little bit.

839
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: It was kind of like one speed where it's like, yes,

840
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: I explode off the line, but then think, Okay, what's

841
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: my counter to that? And I didn't see that as well.

842
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: There's maybe some of the other guys, and again in

843
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: my head, I'm comparing them to guys like Thibodeaux that

844
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: definitely has that been to be able to explode off

845
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: with the first step and then and that's why he's

846
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: gonna be probably the first overall pick as opposed to

847
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: car Rightist. We'll see how far he falls down. But

848
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: as far as being a you know, a top ten,

849
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: top fifteen guy, I think he's definitely that interesting Ojabo,

850
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: you mentioned it being an off ball guy. You think

851
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: he can be a little bit more of a pass rusher.

852
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: Anyone else on the defensive side of the ball, Tony

853
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: that you would like as as a potential top ten pick.

854
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: I think Devin Lloyd, the linebacker from Utah's very underrated,

855
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: a true three down linebacker. You know, we talked about

856
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: the aid and Hunkinson's and these guys who make plays

857
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: behind the line of stage. Devin Lloyd did a good

858
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: job about it. Utah. But he's also a guy gets

859
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: tremendous depth on his pass drop. He's explosive in pursuit.

860
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: There was a wide variety of opinions from scouts on

861
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: Devin Lloyd coming into the season. Some had him graded

862
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: as a seventh round pick, while others stamped him as

863
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: a mid first rounder. When you watch the film, he's

864
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: a guy that plays sideline to sideline. He's good in coverage,

865
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: he's explosive, but he also makes a ton of plays

866
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: behind the line of scrimmage. And he's done it for

867
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: three years. I mean, Devin Lloyd could have come out

868
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: last year have been an early pick. He decides to

869
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: go back and just improved his game weekend and week out.

870
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: This guy comes to play and again, you know, we

871
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: talked about pass rushing linebackers, off the ball linebackers. This

872
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: cat can do it all. You know, uh, talking about guys,

873
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: and this guy might not be a top ten guy,

874
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: but just a guy I really liked, especially at the

875
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: cornerback position. Roger McCray out of Auburn. When you look

876
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: at a guy and how they utilized him and how

877
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: they challenged him. You put on the film against Alabama, Yeah,

878
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: there are times he got you know that's gonna happen

879
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: sometimes when you are playing extremely aggressive with the style

880
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: and task that they put on him, you know, having

881
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: to follow guys like Jameson Williams and uh Metchi play inside,

882
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: play outside. You know, I like cornerbacks. That one of

883
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 1: the first things I look at is, you know, are

884
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: you just up here outside? Guy? Do you have some

885
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: nickel ability? And not because I want you to play nickel,

886
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: but just hey, if there's a receiver where I want

887
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: you to play man on this guy and be able

888
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: to kind of fall on him and shadow him wherever

889
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: he lines up, do you have the ability to do that?

890
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: I thought he did and he was able to challenge

891
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 1: guys underneath. I mean, I feel like and I need

892
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: to tally this. I feel like Alabama because he was

893
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 1: partying there two guys. They targeted him maybe fifteen times

894
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: in that game. As you can see by the end

895
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: of it, he was gassing end up giving up the

896
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: game when he touched him. But just overall, on what

897
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm looking for from a prospect, especially from a defensive back.

898
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: Defeat that change the direction, the ability to run with

899
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: guys vertically, I thought he did a terrific job of that.

900
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: And then you go back a year prior to that

901
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 1: and watch how he you know, uh covered the guy

902
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: like Jamar Chase and how you challenged him and again

903
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 1: throughout routes, I mean just getting hands on. He was

904
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 1: not afraid of him. He carried him in over routes,

905
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: on his slants also vertically. Now there was a play

906
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: he gave up down the sideline that resulted in touchdown. Dad.

907
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: He gave up against the Chase, but then also it

908
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: came back and had an interception in the same area.

909
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: So big time ability. I love the competitor that he is.

910
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: I think that's a guy. He probably won't go top ten,

911
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: but he should go in the next ten Pigs. And

912
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 1: you know everybody talking about Stingly, they're talking about boot

913
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: I think a guy like Roger mcmccreary should be inserted

914
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 1: into that conversation as well. Well. McCary is a good player,

915
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: without doubt that he's got terrific ball skills. He's smart,

916
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: he's tough. Question about McCreary is speed downfield speed? I

917
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: mean he plays like a guy who's in the place

918
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: in the low far five, which is gonna push him

919
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: down draft boards, and you mentioned it had strugg struggled

920
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: against the two Alabama Kats, struggle against you, Mark Chase,

921
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: all guys that can get vertical, he was not able

922
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: to cover him down the field. I like McCreary. I

923
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: think he can play in man. I also think you

924
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: can play in zone. But I think the differential, the

925
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: difference between McCreary going mid first round and maybe falling

926
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: later on, will be his forty times at the combine.

927
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: And I'm interested to see that because I thought he

928
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: covered them well vertically. They were like about four times

929
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: when they threw slot fades on him, and each time

930
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: I feel like they all felt incomplete. And that's one

931
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: of the hardest routs to guard from pure man coverage,

932
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: and you don't really have help with all that space

933
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: where he was able to squeeze guys and still play

934
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: the ball at the catch points. So I thought he

935
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: showed enough to be But yeah, I agree that sense

936
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: of being a top twenty guy, he's definitely gonna have

937
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: to show that he has that speed on paper that

938
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: some of these teams are gonna cover it. Otherwise. You

939
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 1: started following kind of that Mike Hughes kind of category

940
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: where he was a guy who wasn't the biggest guy

941
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: and also didn't test as well. And you see he's

942
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 1: kind of bouncing around the NFL at an early stage

943
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 1: in his career. Yeah, no question about it. The testing

944
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: the forty times of those corners always you know, a

945
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: big deal when you figure out you know, Cameron Danzl

946
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: is another guy. Write a lot of people thought he

947
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: was the top pig and then his forty time was

948
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: a disaster and then uh, he obviously dropped. All right,

949
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: let's look at a couple of the guys that in

950
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: your top ten here tony three skill position guys, and

951
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: I'll at him as a group, and then you guys

952
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: can take this in whatever direction you want to go

953
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: back and forth. You like the Tahause State receivers chrisal

954
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: Loavey and Garrett Wilson, and you have a tight end

955
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: in the year Jalen Widermeyer out of Texas A and

956
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: m tell us about those two guys, crock Then you

957
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 1: can take it. And if you want to add anybody

958
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: else into that top group of skill guys, you can

959
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: do that too. Tone. I mean, what Wildmorrow is not

960
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts, but He's a terrific past catching tight end.

961
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: He's an athletic guy. He gets down the field, he

962
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: plays the tight end possessition like a big possession receiver,

963
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: gets up for the difficult, gets up in a crowd,

964
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: comes away with the difficult reception. Just a lot of

965
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 1: natural receiving skills. Not a bad blocker, but they don't

966
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: really ask him to block that all that much. I

967
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 1: like his upside. I think he's gonna go very early.

968
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: You know, the Taahouse State receivers. It's kind of ironic

969
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: because they were they it's actually Chris A. Liveway was

970
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: kind of the odd man out this year with the

971
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: h with the freshman quarterback. But a Lobby is a

972
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: is a legitimate vertical threat. He is a guy that

973
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: can take it deep. He's a guy that you know,

974
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: posing stattys gonna have to take a step or two

975
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: backwards when he's on the field. But he's also a

976
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: good underneath receiver. He's a good intermediate pass catcher. Wilson

977
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 1: is more your possession guy, although he's got some deep speed,

978
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: not as much as the Lobby, but he's a guy

979
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: that can go over the middle, win out of the

980
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: contested catch run, solid routes separates throughoute running, which is

981
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: all important these days in the NFL. Uh really a

982
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: dynamic duo coming up at out of Ohio State that

983
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: has consistently put real good receivers in the NFL. Yeah.

984
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: I think when when you talk about Garrett Wilson, you know,

985
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: I always look at guys and he's not the biggest guys, right,

986
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: he doesn't have this huge frame. But I always asked

987
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 1: this question, lot, you know one thing that I require

988
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: from guys that aren't huge, like can you play big?

989
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is, you know, when

990
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: the ball is in the air at the catchpoint, do

991
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: you have the ability to go up and get? And

992
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: I think he does as good as anybody in his class.

993
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: There are some receivers in this class like Drake London

994
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 1: who's six five and okay, he has good body control

995
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 1: and he's able to show the way defenders. You even

996
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: watch Garret Wilson and go up. I think he goes

997
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: up with the same ability to do some of those things,

998
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: but just in the smaller frame as well as give

999
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: you the you know, the ability to you know, the

1000
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: run after catch, the ability to get in and out

1001
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: of breaks, the shiftiness, the quick quickness I think he

1002
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: has like those loose eily hips. So Garrett Wilson definitely

1003
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,479
Speaker 1: a guy who I really liked, you know, like Tony said,

1004
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: not as fast as OLIVEA who I think Olive is

1005
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: probably more more more smooth than sudden or twitchy as

1006
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: opposed to Garrett, but I think they both really bring.

1007
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,919
Speaker 1: Both bring a good you know, just element passing games,

1008
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: stretching the field to an offense. Olive he missed, he

1009
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: missed justin fields a little bit, you know who was

1010
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: throwing him those deep balls. Being able to stretch the

1011
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: field and just get behind secondaries, and the way he

1012
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: got behind Clemson consistently just out running guys who were

1013
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,959
Speaker 1: already in off coverage. I thought that was tremendous. Didn't

1014
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: see it quite as much. Why I thought, you definitely

1015
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: saw more than in a as far as a pure receiver.

1016
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: And you know another guy who he didn't mention in

1017
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: this and he just towards a C hill. So we'll

1018
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: see what happened with him. Also a former old House

1019
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: State receiver who had an explosive season at Alabama. I

1020
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: think he was just as good as anybody as will

1021
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: just his ability to catch the slant take it to

1022
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: the house and we know what the spread offices that

1023
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: are going on in the NFL right now. Having the

1024
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: ability to be able to win at all levels the

1025
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: way that Williams was that was exciting to see it.

1026
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: It's crazy that he was a guy at a house

1027
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: date and wasn't able to get on the field or

1028
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: get the targets as much as some of the other

1029
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: guys there that you just talked about, Garrett Wilson and yeah,

1030
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: that's Jamison Williams who tours a c L in that

1031
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: National Championship game. Unfortunately, anybody else guys from that skill

1032
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: position group that you think could in their way into

1033
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: the top ten depending on testing or senior browlor anything

1034
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: like that that you guys really like top ten, No,

1035
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: but I mean the bottom half a round one maybe,

1036
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: Uh the Johan Dodson of Penn State who was a

1037
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: terrific receiver, a guy who's got solid deep speed, but

1038
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: it's a real good pass catcher. You know, Eric talked

1039
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: about playing big watch John Dodson. I mean competes to

1040
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: come away with the difficult catch, does not back down

1041
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: to a challenge, not top ten, but I could see

1042
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 1: John Dodson going somewhere late in round one. You're looking

1043
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: for a day two a guy who I absolutely love. Sorry,

1044
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: Eric Uh, we're talking about top ten. Keep an eye

1045
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: and Isaiah likely to tight end from Uh from Coastal Carolina.

1046
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: I've watched this kid for the past two years. You

1047
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: can't help but not watch this guy. Six four and

1048
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: a half two pounds, He's making seventy five yard receptions.

1049
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: He's running away from defensive back. The kid is outstanding.

1050
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: Gonna be at the Senior ball, Gonna be a lot

1051
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: of fun to watch. And again, you know tight and

1052
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: needy teams, right a day two, A guy like Isaiah

1053
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: likely fits the bill. You know, I'm curious where people

1054
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: are gonna have Treylon Burke's. You know, that's a six three,

1055
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: two hundred two pound receiver, and you know, initially when

1056
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: you watch him, you're like, man, this is kind of

1057
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: like a J. Brown all over again, and an actual

1058
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 1: like a little bit bigger frame as far as height goes,

1059
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 1: and he has the ability to win at the catch point.

1060
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: He doesn't come off as as fast because he's not

1061
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: just this twitchy type guy, but when he catches the

1062
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: ball and gets in the open field, he out runs defenders.

1063
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: So if he the guy that runs as well as

1064
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: some people think with that type of size and ability

1065
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: and versatility, I think he might be a guy that

1066
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: kind of shoots up draft boards top ten. That might

1067
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: be a little too rich, but you know, around you know,

1068
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: fifteen or twenty, I could see a team like maybe

1069
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: like the Saints or somebody that are like, hey, we

1070
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: want a guy with this dynamic ability. And then the

1071
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: guy that might help him is he can go back

1072
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: to the fourth Deebo Samuel, who is kind of a

1073
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: jack of all trades. And when you watch Treylon Burke's

1074
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: they utilize him in the back field. They use him

1075
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: and line him up next to the quarterback and motion

1076
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: them out and do a lot of different things with him.

1077
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: I think, you know, he just has the big time ability,

1078
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: but that testing is gonna come down to that. And

1079
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: if he runs as well as people think, and I

1080
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: hear a lot of people think he's gonna run in

1081
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: the fourth threes, I don't know about that because it's

1082
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: hard to tell on film, but how big he is

1083
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: when you see him separate from defenders, you think, yeah,

1084
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: that that could be a possibility and that that frame

1085
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: that that could possibly shoot him up some boards. Interesting. Alright, guys,

1086
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: we kind of talked about the top of the class here,

1087
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,479
Speaker 1: let's talk about depth. You know, the Giants are gonna

1088
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: have five picks in the first one once you get

1089
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: past their two top ten picks, you know, number five

1090
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: and number seven. Where are some of the spots on

1091
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: day two of this draft where you you know, you

1092
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: really like to make your money and that's where you

1093
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: get a lot of your starters that you think you're

1094
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: gonna find a lot of depth at some of these

1095
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: spots where you know, if you're trying to fill out

1096
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: your roster and find some good solid starters, and on

1097
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 1: day two, where are you gonna find them? Tony want

1098
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: we start with you? Well? As I mentioned, tight ends

1099
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: is a real deep class, UH from rounds two through

1100
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: really really rounds five. We'll see if the Giants are

1101
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: looking in that direction. As I mentioned, I like the

1102
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: offensive tackle class, and you know, the Giants probably could

1103
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: use for offensive linemen to line up next to UH

1104
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas, So there will be some real good offensive

1105
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: tackles in Day two for the Giants. Outside linebackers, a

1106
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: deep pretty deep class. I also like the safety class

1107
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: as well. Uh in days two and early part of

1108
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: day three, how about you crack? Yeah, definitely. I think

1109
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: Day two is gonna be a really strong day for

1110
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: the cornerbacks, especially high and Day two. Looking at guys

1111
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 1: like Sawsguard and there you know his counterpart, and Kobe Bryant,

1112
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: Trim McDuffie. You know some of these corners. Uh, Kayer

1113
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: Elham out of Florida, He's the guy I really like

1114
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: watching his film and seeing, you know, his technique and

1115
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: in his size and ability off of that. So, uh,

1116
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: the cornerback to me quarterback position, I think that's gonna

1117
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: be a rich day too. You know, maybe not as high.

1118
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: Day one. You have guys like Stingley. I know people

1119
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: are really high on boot, but Day two, look out

1120
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: for the cornerbacks. I think there's gonna be a run

1121
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 1: on those guys. It always seems to be a run

1122
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: on quarterbacks in recent years. Top of that second round,

1123
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: you get the Day two people have that night to

1124
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: go home and they sleep on and they're like, we

1125
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: better start grabbing these quarters because it's a passing league. Now. Well,

1126
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: you know the thing is this is you know let's

1127
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: let's forget about quarterback for a while. You Yes, how

1128
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: long I was been in the draft business, it's always

1129
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: been left tackle, cornerback, pass rushers were always priority positions

1130
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: in the NFL draft. But what happens is there some

1131
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: of these guys, like the cornerbacks, get pushed down because

1132
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: quarterbacks go so early and off the times are overdrafted.

1133
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: So that's why you get good value late in the

1134
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: first round, early in the second round. Do you guys

1135
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: feel that cornerbacks are what I would consider a high

1136
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: risk position where you can watch them on tape depending

1137
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: on scheming, competition in college, it's difficult to figure out

1138
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: how they're going to trans because I think with the

1139
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: way NFL and in college schemes of kind of coalesced

1140
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: into sort of one thing. Now, we gotta know what

1141
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: wide receivers, all right. If a wide receiver is really

1142
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: good in college, is probably gonna be a pretty good

1143
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: pro assuming he tests well. KROC, How do you view

1144
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: that in terms of evaluating a cornerback and trying to

1145
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: determine how he's going to translate into the NFL. Is

1146
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: it really dependent on whether or not he's put in

1147
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: the correct scheme so that he can succeed. How do

1148
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: you view that, you know, I think the quarterback because

1149
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 1: it's just really hard to play, especially today's day day

1150
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: the way that they call past interference in legal contacts.

1151
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: Can't be as aggressive with receivers. You know, they're playing

1152
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: in more space, and these coaches are getting really good

1153
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: at scheming up against UH defensive backs and putting them

1154
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: in vulnerable positions. So you know, the quarnerback position, you

1155
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: you can be good all game and then you get

1156
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 1: beat one time and it's like, oh, he can't play.

1157
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: Especially from an outside perspective, I think you'd see teams

1158
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: are a little bit more patient with cornerbacks and the

1159
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: development of them, but fans not so much because a

1160
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: lot of times when you notice them, they are giving

1161
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: up a catch. But you know, you look at guys

1162
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: like Trevon Dix, who you know, giants. I'm pretty sure

1163
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: you guys seen a lot of him. He had eleven interceptions,

1164
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: But also he's giving up over a thousand yards. So

1165
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: you have to kind of pick your poison with what

1166
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: you want. You want to play maker or do you

1167
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 1: feel like you want to shut down guy? And if

1168
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: you want to shut down guy. I mean, there's just

1169
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: not many of those guys throughout the entire league, and

1170
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 1: most of the guys that you do think are quote

1171
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: unquote shut down, all those guys are gonna be. Now

1172
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 1: even if we're talking about how the cornerbacks are being prioritized, Now,

1173
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: look what the Rams have done with Jalen Ramsey. This

1174
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: has been one of the premier cornerbacks in the NFL,

1175
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 1: and they said, you know what, we want more usage

1176
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: of him and be able to use his ability. So

1177
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,439
Speaker 1: we're gonna put him in that star position. We're gonna

1178
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: play him more of a nickel and kind leave him

1179
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: on the field and have him play more in space.

1180
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: So I think the quarterback, it's just a tough one

1181
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: and it just depends on how you view it and

1182
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 1: what you want consistently, you know. And also a scheme

1183
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: has a lot to do with the two. Are you

1184
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: gonna play more of a two high system? If you are,

1185
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: then maybe you don't need, as you know, quite as

1186
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: much elite physically capable cornerbacks as opposed to if you

1187
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: play more single high, you better have guys on the

1188
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 1: outside that can hold their own. Yeah. I also thinking

1189
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: a lot of technique has to do a lot with it,

1190
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 1: because what happens in the college game is they're able

1191
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: to get by with four techniques. You know, if they

1192
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 1: if they defend the past. You know, you see these

1193
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: guys side shuffling, mosing down down the field. You can't

1194
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: do that in the NFL. You gotta learn to back pedal,

1195
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,919
Speaker 1: flip your hips in transition with without missing a beat.

1196
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: You see guys in the college game constantly face guarding,

1197
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: playing the receiver's hands rather than playing the ball when

1198
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: it's in the air. You can't do that in the

1199
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: NFL or you're gonna get smoked. We've seen time and

1200
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: time again these highly rady cornerbacks that the guys that

1201
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: are going going the first round on top forty five,

1202
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 1: he never got their head back around the local pass

1203
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: in the air in college, although they were they had

1204
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: a ton of interceptions, a ton of past defenses. You

1205
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 1: can't do that. You gotta learn to make plays with

1206
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 1: you back to the back to the ball. And a

1207
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: lot of college cornerbacks don't do that well in college

1208
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: and can never get get the hang of it in

1209
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: the NFL. And I think maybe there is something with

1210
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: the development aspect of it, and like, as he alludes to,

1211
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: the technique college is a lot of times if you

1212
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: watch them, unless you're watching the SEC, you know, they're

1213
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 1: just playing guys off. Look at Trip McDuffie. I still

1214
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: don't even know what he is because every game I've

1215
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: seen he's playing ten yards off, he's playing safe, he's

1216
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: playing zone, and he's just drop it back. There's not

1217
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 1: a whole lot of press coverage to be able to

1218
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 1: see his hits, his moving the ability and see how

1219
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: he's challenged with, you know, being able to get his

1220
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,280
Speaker 1: head around. Right before the Niners cornerback had uh Ambry

1221
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: Thomas had an interception in the game against the Rams,

1222
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 1: and everybody saying, oh he got his head around, Oh my,

1223
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: well he was an off cover zone. His heavers around

1224
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: the whole time he's looking at the quarterback that was

1225
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: the ball thrown. You know, Trim McDuffie, you know how

1226
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: often does he have to man turn and then play

1227
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: guys vertically down the field and then look to get

1228
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: his head around. So those things as well are kind

1229
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: of interesting to see how they play out in the

1230
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 1: transition for guys like the mc duffy into the NFL,

1231
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: because there is a lot of soft coverage and where

1232
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: guys are just lining up, and then you know to

1233
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: kind of talk about that with just the soft coverage

1234
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: and kind of what goes into that college college most

1235
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: teams are kind of just lining up and they clap

1236
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: their hands and they run their play. NFL there's a

1237
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: lot of motions, there's a lot of tight splits, there's

1238
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of formations. Every single thing that somebody does,

1239
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 1: there's a reaction to it, and your responsibility can change

1240
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: from a cornerback perspective and you're not used to at

1241
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: the collegiate level. And then now it's like man, okay

1242
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: and cover three sky I have this, but in a

1243
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: fire zone I have this, but in man I have this,

1244
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: And there's so many different things you have to do

1245
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: from that same bunch of formation that some of these

1246
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: college guys aren't running and they get to the league

1247
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: and their head is spinning. So those are things that

1248
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,399
Speaker 1: a lot of guys kind of have to worry about.

1249
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: You have to figure out how good are they maybe

1250
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: on the board, and we're processing things, because if you

1251
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,919
Speaker 1: can't process fast in the NFL, you're not gonna play

1252
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 1: fast and you're not gonna have a chance to be good,

1253
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: you know, Croc. It's funny. The one if you use

1254
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: this quote, I've totally stolen it from you. I apologize

1255
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 1: when you when you came out this show last year,

1256
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: you said, sometimes these college corners going into the pros

1257
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: and trying to get the mental part down, it's like

1258
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 1: trying to drink water out of a fire hose, and

1259
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: it's so much coming at you and and it's just

1260
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: going so fast you can't handle it. And I love

1261
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: the quote because I do think you see that. Yeah, now,

1262
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: definitely there there's a lot and I think depending on

1263
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:34,760
Speaker 1: the level that you play at Alabama guys, I remember

1264
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: being a rookie with d mill in there. You know,

1265
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: he was used to the verbage. He was used to that.

1266
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: He got close by Nick Saving. But some of these

1267
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,919
Speaker 1: other guys that come from some of these programs where

1268
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: they're just like, hey, we're gonna play a cover four,

1269
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna play the quarters. They have your butt to

1270
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: the side when I and we're gonna simplify everything for you.

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Speaker 1: They get to the NFL and there's definitely more of

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00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: a learning curve. Yeah, you know, it's funny. And the

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Speaker 1: one guy I'll mention in this conversation and boy, I

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00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 1: can't even remember his name. Um Ohio State corner. Uh

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00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 1: the Detroit rough first year out for the Jeff Jeffery

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00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 1: to thank you. He was one of those guys Tony

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00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: when you watched the tape of Ohio State, you know,

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00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 1: ton of cover three, he would kind of sidestep back

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00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: a little bit, never really at the turn. And then

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00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: they tried to play in a lot of press in

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00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: Detroit in his first year and look, I don't want

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00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: to be rough on the kid, but it was a disaster.

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00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: Didn't go well, and I think I think that's probably

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00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: a pretty good example of like what you're talking about, right, Croc. Yeah,

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00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: he his strength were press bill. I thought from a

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00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: press bill standpoint, he read down concepts from there as

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00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: well as anybody, But there weren't a whole lot of

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00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: just pure man rest where he had the shadow guys.

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00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: He started off in the press alignment a lot, but

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00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: that didn't necessarily mean that he was playing man coverage.

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00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people have kind of

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00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: had that confused. So when he went to Detroit, okay, great,

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00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: he wanted to Jeff qunerback down high. I don't know,

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00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: but if you are going to and you asked him

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00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: to play man coverage because that's what you did with

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00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: Darius Slay, Yeah, slaves shadow, guys, I don't know if

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00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: that's necessarily gonna be a coot his game, And as

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00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: we saw as a rookie, he had a rough time

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Speaker 1: with it, and I was interested to see how does

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00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: he you know, uh developed as you know, as his

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00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: career goes on and work into year two and in

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00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: the first game he goes down with an injury where

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00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: he's out for the whole year after being beat for

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00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: like a senti five yard touchdown from Deebo Samuel. So

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00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: there's still a lot going on with him and transitioning

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00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: into the NFL while they're asking him to play a

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00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: different style of defense. Alright, guys, final question before we

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00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: wrap it up here. Really really nice set up for

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Speaker 1: the draft process. Excellent job just based on what I'm hearing,

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00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: and you guys tell me if my impression is wrong

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00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: based on what you guys are saying. You know, I

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00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: go back to last year's draft as an example, and

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00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: we talked about you know, players that there were no

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00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: questions about, right, everyone knew Trevor Lawrence was fantastic. Jamaar Chase,

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00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: there was no question he was a top ten player.

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00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: You know, um j One Waddle, Davante Smith high level prospects,

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00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons high level prospect, Patrick Surtan high level prospect.

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Speaker 1: And we feel really good about a lot of those

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00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: guys in the top ten. You feel good you're gonna

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00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: get a really good player. Is my sense wrong that

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00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: there aren't as many of those guys in this class

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00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: at that same just pure highly graded level, and maybe

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00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,919
Speaker 1: in the top ten there are more guys that you're

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00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: taking more risks on or am I interpreting the thing correctly?

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00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right. I think you're absolutely right.

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00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: I mean I think it's Cavon Thabodell, Aiden Hutchinson and

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00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: then everyone else. You know, Ha's got questions. I mean

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00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: a love how big you know, is big enough of

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00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: where you're gonna play him? Everyone else has questions. I

1330
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: mean you usually when you when you break down the

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00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: draft board, you usually want eight team to twenty four

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00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: guys that have solid first round grades. That means that

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00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: you know they are definite first round picks. Right now,

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00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: I've got fourteen and I'm struggling to get more than fourteen,

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00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: which kind of tells you that, you know, the top

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00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: of this draft is not gonna be very strong, which

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00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: kind of goes into what you're saying. Gets a little

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00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: bit better when starting to day two. As far as

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00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: I'm concerned, now you're cry real quick, I'm gonna fo

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01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: up with Tony real fast. So how many top ten

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01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: grades do you have on your board Tony? In a

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01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 1: normal draft class, Uh, usually you're looking at five to

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01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: seven guys that would be you know, shore fire top

1344
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: ten picks. This year, I'm looking at two the madwan

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01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: in Hutchinson. I don't think Neil in a normal draft

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01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: is a top ten guy, Karl laughed. As much as

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01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: I like them, I don't think it's a top ten guy.

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01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: You could probably put Stingley in there. But again, you know,

1349
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: as Eric was sanding, as I was saying, you know,

1350
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: Stingley the last two years has been injured, he struggled,

1351
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: he was not he's really has not developed into that

1352
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: dominant cornerback that we saw in two thousand nineteen as

1353
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 1: a two freshman at l s U. So I think

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01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: right now you're looking at two guys that in any

1355
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: draft is the easier way to say would be top

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01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: ten picks. All right, Giant fans don't head to the

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01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: George Washington Bridge yet, Uh, Eric, giving your thoughts on

1358
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: that generally speaking top guys, Yeah, you know, I think

1359
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: what we're saying is there's not those blue chippers, right,

1360
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: and if you look at previous year, especially in the

1361
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: top ten, you know, an influx of quarterbacks being overdrafted

1362
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: pushes guys down the board, so you end up with,

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01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: you know, being a Dallas Cowboy teams that gets some

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01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons you know at pick eleven or twelve or

1365
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: wherever they got him, or in previous years, you know

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01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: guys like uh, you know, uh the safety for for

1367
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 1: out of for the state, that Derwin j James. You know,

1368
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: a guy that that's a blue chipper and he ends

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01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: up going like pick seventeen or pick eighteen because of oh,

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01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, maybe quarterbacks are being overdrafted and we've seen

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01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: that last year as well. Well, you're not gonna have

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Speaker 1: that this year. And if there's not those true blue chippers,

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01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: you know, in the top ten, I think that makes

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01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: it a rougher kind of first round as far as

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01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: the draft goes, this is going to basically measure the

1376
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: medal and how good your scouting staffs and your general

1377
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: manager is because now you know, you really you've got

1378
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: to do it every draft. But now you know you

1379
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: really got to do your homework, which you do every draft,

1380
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: but now it's a little bit more difficult because you

1381
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: don't have those dominant, outstanding, knockout shore fire not that

1382
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: there is such a thing as a short fire players

1383
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 1: there shore fire type prospects staring in the face. So

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01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: just this is this is my closing question THEMS. I

1385
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: think you guys make great points. Does this mean more

1386
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,959
Speaker 1: of movement with trades in the top of the draft

1387
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: because boards are gonna be so different. One general management

1388
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: value another player a lot more than another, or or

1389
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: these teams gonna say I don't feel strongly enough about

1390
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: any of these guys, or I want to try to

1391
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:41,479
Speaker 1: move up the boards. Well, I mean, we still gotta

1392
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: wait and see which which juniors. I mean we're talking

1393
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: here and juniors still have to declare. I don't think

1394
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: there's gonna be that much movement. There's not a lot

1395
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks, you know. If there's movement, I think there'll

1396
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: be movement. More teams want to move down and maybe

1397
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: willing to take less to move down as opposed to

1398
01:02:58,120 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: teams that are clamoring to get to the top of

1399
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: the draft. I think the one thing I'm looking forward

1400
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: to seeing is just how much does what you know

1401
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: guys like Mail Keiper and what he's seeing in his

1402
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: rankings are top mcshaye, How was that match up with

1403
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: what the NFL is thinking, Because maybe there aren't just

1404
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: the pure blue Chippers where you can say, well, I

1405
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: know these are the top ten guys. You can't really

1406
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 1: say that this year. I think there's gonna be a

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01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: lot of disparity between what guys think. So I'm curious

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01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: see how the whole thing plays out. Yeah, me too.

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01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: And you know, public perceptions big in this whole sort

1410
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: of thing, and you know, the draft process it sometimes

1411
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: takes on a bigger role than the actual game day,

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01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: which is a problem. We can talk about that. Hopefully

1413
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: you will see these two guys again as we move

1414
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 1: forward in the draft process. Tony Pauline, Eric Crocker, Croc,

1415
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: great job, fellas, We really appreciate time as always, and

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01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: we'll talk to again real soon, hopefully real soon forward.

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01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 1: All right, that's Tony and Eric Crocker. Are you thank

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01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: you for joining us on the John Suttle Podcast again,

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01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:05,960
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