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Speaker 1: and it's it's so difficult for me to read out

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Speaker 1: even the transcript to you, but there's the words I

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Speaker 1: think she's dying and do it anyhow? I feel like

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Speaker 1: I face me in restrain a fased on what I'm

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Speaker 1: hearing it? Okay, listening listening to that? Do you recognize

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Speaker 1: face voice? When if she says, ow, I know it's face,

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Speaker 1: I have no no doubt? What's were face? Family cringing

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Speaker 1: with every graphic, brutal detail, there's the phrase I can't

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Speaker 1: believe you did it? Rosy, Well, what are your thoughts

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Speaker 1: on that statement? Of the mind impression is from that

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Speaker 1: statement is that the female of herself has done something

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Speaker 1: at that point two faith has hit her in the

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Speaker 1: head or whatever. To me, it sounds like free against

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Speaker 1: one straight out to Connie Hedgepath, this is Fate's mother

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Speaker 1: joining us. That call was about two fifty nine a m.

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Speaker 1: And it seems to suggest there's more than one person there.

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Speaker 1: And it also seems that she's saying it can't be

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Speaker 1: you did it, Rosie? Who's Rosie? I have no air

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Speaker 1: flag idea to Serena Fazon, what are we learning from

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Speaker 1: this cell phone? Did a garbled pocket dial from her

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Speaker 1: cell phone actually catch capture the sound of faith hedge

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Speaker 1: pass murder? What about it, Serena? Well, Hanthy, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's been a lot of debate over that phone call,

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Speaker 1: over that very phone call, because some argue that the

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Speaker 1: phone call was timestamped at one twenty three am, and

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Speaker 1: at that time she was at the Thrill, which is

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Speaker 1: that dance club. I know, I know Roland is convinced

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Speaker 1: that that was during the time of her death, but

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Speaker 1: there's been a lot of debates over exactly what pine

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Speaker 1: that phone call was taken, very very chilly, clearly though too.

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum way in on this cell phone call, Well,

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Speaker 1: it's obviously disturbing, but again it goes to the timeline,

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Speaker 1: but they have got to find out exactly when that

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Speaker 1: came through then kind of you know, there's more to

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Speaker 1: this note to me, Nancy than the butt dial. The

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Speaker 1: note is there. The note is absolutely something we know

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Speaker 1: is connected the way it's written. The lack of blood

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Speaker 1: tells me one or two things. He could have cleaned

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Speaker 1: up and written the note afterwards, or he could have

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Speaker 1: brought it with him. He could have been something he

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Speaker 1: wrote sitting in his car washing her. So we don't

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Speaker 1: know when it was written, but to me that would

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Speaker 1: be very critical. But the words on it, you know,

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Speaker 1: calling the victim of bitch, saying that they're jealous. I mean,

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Speaker 1: those are things that are very concerning. And again I

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Speaker 1: agree with you, this is not his first rodeo. He's

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Speaker 1: going to continue. If he's out, he's going to continue

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Speaker 1: to harm people, you know, to Cheryl's points. To Chryl's point, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: you wonder whether or not what you share on the

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Speaker 1: call is inconsistent with the notes. Because you have the note,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like it could be a jealous motivation, and

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Speaker 1: maybe he wrote it first, like like Cheryl was saying,

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Speaker 1: that's why there's no blood. But then if you listen

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Speaker 1: to the call, it might not really corroborate jealousy having

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Speaker 1: been the motive. If there are more people there, though,

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Speaker 1: there's more of a chance that someone's going to talk,

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Speaker 1: that somebody's going to implicate somebody else. So that's another

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Speaker 1: piece of evidence. You know, let us be a lesson

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Speaker 1: to anybody that thinks that it's as easy as finding

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Speaker 1: DNA to find a suspect. You know, it's very difficult

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Speaker 1: for me to believe Wendy Patrick that with DNA from

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Speaker 1: the semen and obviously the killer was holding a rum

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Speaker 1: bottle and you've got handwriting that they can't catch Fate,

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Speaker 1: the Hedge Pass skiller. Yeah, and you know, this is

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Speaker 1: one of the things that is always challenging sometimes when

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Speaker 1: jurors watch too much FSI or some of these other

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Speaker 1: crime forensic dramas that make it seem like it's as

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Speaker 1: easy as finding a DNA sample and developing a subject.

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Speaker 1: You might develop a suspect pro file, as they did

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Speaker 1: in this case, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're going

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Speaker 1: to finding a step right away. But this case in

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Speaker 1: the chronology shows all the other clues we have to

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Speaker 1: keep in mind in order to bring justice to Connie Hedgepath.

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Speaker 1: This is Fate's mother, Kanye. We talk sometimes about Fate

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Speaker 1: as if she were a specimen because we're really analyzing

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Speaker 1: the evidence. I want you to tell me your most

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Speaker 1: vivid memory of your daughter, Faith I guess one of

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Speaker 1: the most vivid ones is the way she just territus said,

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Speaker 1: just kind of bouncing around. You know, when she came home.

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Speaker 1: She will always say, you know, Mamma, give me love,

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Speaker 1: and we hug each other. If we sat down and

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Speaker 1: watch TV, she would lay on me and none we

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Speaker 1: just lay there together and watched TV on the sofa.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sending up and she's laying on me,

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Speaker 1: you know. And I just missed her hus you know,

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Speaker 1: talking with her. Um, I just I just missed her

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Speaker 1: so much. And we talked about that the butt call.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know a lot of times, you know,

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Speaker 1: like you know, they say it was from the club,

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Speaker 1: but in the timeline and I, you know, I had

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Speaker 1: gotten a new phone. But I went back and looked

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Speaker 1: at my text message back and forth to her. Uh wait,

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Speaker 1: you know, like back in March, and I went all

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Speaker 1: the way back to March looking at him, and I

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Speaker 1: was noticing how the timeline, as far as the stamp

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Speaker 1: on my phone was totally off. Um. We didn't talk

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Speaker 1: at three four o'clock in the morning. And that's some

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Speaker 1: of those timelines that I saw. And I even on

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Speaker 1: that Sunday, Um, I wanted her to come home because

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Speaker 1: we were meeting my son uh in Richmond. We were

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Speaker 1: gonna eat out for my birthday, and but she had

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Speaker 1: to work. And so we called each other maybe four

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Speaker 1: times that morning, would call each other that morning, in

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Speaker 1: that evening. But she came home that evening after we

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Speaker 1: you know, when we got back, and she came with Krena.

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Speaker 1: They wrote together, and she gave to my daughter's house

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Speaker 1: and we sat there and talked, and she said, in

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Speaker 1: the floor and played with the dog, and you know,

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Speaker 1: and so acts when I go down to my daughter's house,

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Speaker 1: I can just see here in the floor playing with

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Speaker 1: that doll, you know. But you know, that was the

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Speaker 1: last time that I saw her with such Sunday evening,

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Speaker 1: Where does the case stand? Now? Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: crime online Jolently. After nine years, investigators are announcing a

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Speaker 1: major break in the Faith Hedgepeth case and a Durham,

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Speaker 1: North Carolina man is now behind bars. That man is

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Speaker 1: twenty eight year old Miguel Enrique Salguero Oliveries. He's charged

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Speaker 1: with first degree murder in Hedgepeth's death and is being

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Speaker 1: held without bond. For more. Here's wncntv's Mackenzie Stasco. Chapel

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Speaker 1: Hill police aren't releasing much, but they ultimately say DNA

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Speaker 1: collected from the scene those nine years ago ultimately led

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Speaker 1: them to the suspect. Now, police would not say how

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Speaker 1: long Olivaris was living in Durham when he was arrested

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Speaker 1: today or if he knew Faith, but again say that

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Speaker 1: the DNA collected from the scene with that they were

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Speaker 1: able to make a match. And Chapple Hill Police say

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Speaker 1: this case is far from over and that they are

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Speaker 1: still currently pursuing other potential leads, not ruling out other

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Speaker 1: people potentially involved in this case. Meanwhile, Olivari's is being

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Speaker 1: held in the Durham County Jail without bond. Now it's

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Speaker 1: interesting to note that, as Mackenzie said, investigators are not

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Speaker 1: closing the book on this case, going so far as

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Speaker 1: to say they believe there are others out there that

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Speaker 1: could have been involved in Hedgepeth's death. Guys, if you

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Speaker 1: have any information regarding the brutal rpe and murder this

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Speaker 1: unc co ed Faith Hedgepath please call nine one nine

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Speaker 1: six one four six three six three nine one nine

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Speaker 1: six one four sixty three sixty three We wait as

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Speaker 1: justice and falls. Nancy Grace, I'm story signing off, Goodbye friend,