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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte You guys, it's super exciting day. This

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Speaker 1: is a guest I've wanted on since the very beginning.

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Speaker 1: Dylan mulvaney is here with us, and not only that,

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Speaker 1: she brought her friend, Lily.

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Speaker 2: My best friend of the word.

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Speaker 1: If you've ever listened to anything Dylan talks about, Lily

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Speaker 1: is part of central story. We love that she's here.

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Speaker 1: We love that Dylan's here.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. Okay, let's talk about when you first

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Speaker 2: announced this podcast. I have never texted my publicists faster

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Speaker 2: in my life, and I don't really ask for things normally,

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Speaker 2: but I said, if there's any world, because I didn't know,

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Speaker 2: like four to five regular podcasts. I've listened to every

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Speaker 2: episode of this one so far. But I just knew

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Speaker 2: that this would be my dream podcast to be on.

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Speaker 2: It's the best day ever.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad. I'm so glad that you feel that

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Speaker 1: way and we feel that way about you, and you

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Speaker 1: have been like one of the people. Since I've been

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Speaker 1: doing this podcast, I'm more aware of people who talk

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Speaker 1: about the show and or Charlotte in a way that's

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Speaker 1: interesting to me, especially younger people, you know, where I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: they get it, yes, And that's how I feel about you.

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Speaker 2: I thank you. I think that's what's so cool about

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Speaker 2: social media is like as dark as it can be.

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Speaker 2: And I was just listening to Benny Drama on your show,

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Speaker 2: I think, like connecting to women like you on there

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Speaker 2: and getting to feel that support online has made my

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Speaker 2: journey so worth it these past few years. And I

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Speaker 2: think now getting to bring my story to you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad.

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Speaker 2: But I think Charlotte ever since I was a kid.

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Speaker 2: I grew up in my stepdad's house, who he's like

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Speaker 2: watch Sex and the City, and I remember like, even

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Speaker 1: The most amazing. So when you see a little kid.

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Speaker 2: Like how old, well funny enough. The episode we're talking

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Speaker 2: So two thousand maybe those were reruns by that point.

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Speaker 2: All right, and I don't think the writing was so

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Speaker 1: A very strange show. And when we started our show

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Speaker 2: I need Kristin in a musical, and but.

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Speaker 1: You don't need me singing. I need it, I don't think.

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Speaker 2: So. Let's what would be your if you were going

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Speaker 2: and dolls. Y Oh, that would be a cute role

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Speaker 2: Oh he was he's back on stage now is he?

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Speaker 2: Did you see the Hollywood Bowl the Josh Gad I saw.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing. It's amazing the way that you have been

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Speaker 2: But I felt safer in there than having everything taken

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Speaker 2: there's some rectification right the situation.

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00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,960
Speaker 1: We definitely wanted that, you know, we did definitely want Yeah,

437
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,080
Speaker 1: because I think also in these years that we're in

438
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,760
Speaker 1: which I guess, do we start and just like that

439
00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,119
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, I want to say, you know,

440
00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,800
Speaker 1: things were changing rapidly then, but I feel like we

441
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,720
Speaker 1: it's like we have a wave of like positive growth

442
00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,159
Speaker 1: backwards or some people are going in a positive way,

443
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,560
Speaker 1: and then everyone else is like, no, no, no, we

444
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,200
Speaker 1: will stay in the backwards way whatever, which is super

445
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,919
Speaker 1: confusing to me, and I'm sure it must be very

446
00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,600
Speaker 1: confusing to you. What do you make of that part?

447
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,960
Speaker 2: I think that wait, what is the question?

448
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,080
Speaker 1: Like the like it seems like we make strides.

449
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,240
Speaker 2: We do, but then it's like we take a step

450
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,679
Speaker 2: forward and two steps back, but we are eventually, you know,

451
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:24,639
Speaker 2: being in the right direction.

452
00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:25,400
Speaker 1: We're going the right way.

453
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 2: I find it interesting too, because I don't think this

454
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,440
Speaker 2: episode was written with the intention of like a positive

455
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 2: light on the trans community. I don't think the goal

456
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,640
Speaker 2: was like we need to give some representation. Oh no,

457
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 2: at all. But I do think there's so many people

458
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,160
Speaker 2: who are trying to make good strides now don't always

459
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,439
Speaker 2: nail it, but at least they're trying, yeah, And I

460
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 2: think better to get a little messy if the intentions

461
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 2: are right, yeah, then than to not at all, because

462
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 2: a lot of people are really scared. But I had

463
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,959
Speaker 2: a situation recently where a really amazing writer brought me

464
00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 2: a project that he was like, I wrote this thinking

465
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,719
Speaker 2: of aout you, and I couldn't this person someone I've

466
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 2: always wanted to work with. I couldn't end up doing

467
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 2: the project because of something else. But then when I

468
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 2: read it, it was like, very kind of wrong sort

469
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 2: of transition topics. And but what I thought was, you know,

470
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 2: and I sent him a note kind of with a

471
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,400
Speaker 2: few little touches of what I was picking up on,

472
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,359
Speaker 2: but it was that he was so excited to you know,

473
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 2: be like, look, I wrote a trans character. And that's

474
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 2: why I do think we have to have people of

475
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 2: the experience in the room to help create these stories. Yes,

476
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 2: but I think seeing someone like this, this man who's

477
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,439
Speaker 2: of an older generation, really try is all that at

478
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,679
Speaker 2: least me as someone up and coming hoping to, you know,

479
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 2: break through into these spaces to be like, Okay, there

480
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 2: are people that still are willing.

481
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 1: I think that's a good point. And I think willing

482
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 1: is so important, but I also think that there's so

483
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 1: much fear that you will get it wrong. Yes, you know,

484
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: and and like when you know, when we were for instance,

485
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,959
Speaker 1: when we were going to do the Rock character on

486
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 1: and just like that, we had a lot of people

487
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 1: that we were consulting with, We consulted with Glad, we

488
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 1: had you know, we we know children who are non binary, right,

489
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 1: and so we were talking to them and their parents

490
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 1: and that you know, my kids know people who are

491
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 1: trans and yes, non binary, who are.

492
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 2: Young, and they're because they're in that generation now where

493
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 2: I feel like there's a lot less hang ups, but

494
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 2: it's and we're so lucky in our little bubble of

495
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 2: la here. But yes, I think that it just goes

496
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 2: to show trans people have existed in every space for

497
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 2: as long as you know we can date back. And

498
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 2: and so how funny though that like a character like Rock,

499
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:52,120
Speaker 2: which was quite boundary pushing or hard enough in season one,

500
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 2: which like because she played a rabbi, a rabbi like

501
00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 2: that is a different kind of boundary pushing as it

502
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 2: was in the original show. Yeah, but like in the

503
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 2: way that I think that in the right direction.

504
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 1: I agree, and that was our goal in a lot

505
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 1: of ways, because we couldn't push the boundaries in the

506
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: same way as the first show, because that wouldn't make sense.

507
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: And because also we're older and times have changed. Do

508
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 1: we need to push the boundaries in a different way?

509
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: But was everyone ready for that? But I don't know,

510
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: you know, But.

511
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 2: But I think for those of us watching it that

512
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: like so so often, I think I hear of other

513
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 2: queer creatives looking for someone like themselves, even though I'm,

514
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 2: you know, a twenty eight year old trans woman. I

515
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 2: think just seeing a rock or you know, seeing Harry's character,

516
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 2: that was enough for me to be like, Okay, I'm

517
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 2: going to keep trying to do this because that means

518
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 2: that there are people out there that are willing to

519
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 2: create for someone like me. Right, I agree, And there

520
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 2: there is someone there, you know, someone's kids walking by

521
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 2: when they're watching it, just like that, who might be

522
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 2: a rock And.

523
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 1: Get to absolutely, absolutely, I think that's very important. And

524
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: I thing sometimes we forget about it because honestly, you

525
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: get into first of all, you're doing your best within it, right,

526
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: And I mean we stress so much, and we stressed

527
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: so much about Sader Ramirez's character.

528
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,239
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean so much, you know, and with the

529
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 2: comedy element of Star's character, because it's like what joke

530
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: is to pushing the boundary, right.

531
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: It's almost impossible, right, It's almost impossible to do. But

532
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: we really wanted to do it. But then people got

533
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: really upset with us, to the point where you know,

534
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: you're just like you have to really think, like is

535
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: it wrong to try? I mean, we certainly consulted so

536
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: many people. We tried, you know, everything, and I shouldn't

537
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: even speak because I wasn't integally involved in that. I

538
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: was in the Rock situation more so. But you know,

539
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: I do feel like we did the homework, yeah, you know,

540
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: and we had the people who came to us and

541
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: gave notes and we took the notes and all of that,

542
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: like it was very important. But on the same hand,

543
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: you're never going to please everyone.

544
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't think anyone got notes on this episode.

545
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: That we're notes given.

546
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 2: No. Okay, question for you, let in the most lovely way,

547
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: did you have any trans friends like back then?

548
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: I didn't. I mean I had to think through this

549
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: myself last night because when I was watching it, as

550
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 1: I said, we I have there's many people in our

551
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: lives now who are at different places on the journey

552
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: and transitioning of being pronouns. Definitely, it's a big deal

553
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. It's not easy in Los Angeles and New York. Also, yes, everywhere, Yes,

554
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: I mean everywhere, but like those are my two places

555
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: that I really exist and that I have kids in

556
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,719
Speaker 1: my life that are my friend's kids or whatever friends

557
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 1: of my kids. Right, So for us, when I think

558
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: back on this, because obviously this is Samantha's storyline, I'm

559
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: very much over in my trade stow, Oh you've got

560
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: You're in it, honeywoos. I'm in it big time. And

561
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: I was very fully in the whole thing. Like I

562
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: don't remember all of it. I had had Kylon and

563
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,959
Speaker 1: we discussed, but I didn't remember all of it, though

564
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: I did. I had had Allan Coulter on and he

565
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 1: talks about the scene that happens in this episode where

566
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: we do finally have sex, and then we talk about

567
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: it afterwards.

568
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,479
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, we need to get into all that.

569
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's super interesting. I had not remembered it. I

570
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: had not really remembered it, which.

571
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 2: I feel it was the most honest, and it felt

572
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 2: like your character was finally breathing with Trey for the

573
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 2: first time.

574
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 1: That's so true. That's so true. I really loved watching it.

575
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: I was pleased because I hadn't remembered it because once

576
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: he comes, it kind of got into like a very

577
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 1: The lines were just so blurred, you know what I mean,

578
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: As I said to him, like the day that that

579
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: Charlotte and Tray got married, I don't care about marriage.

580
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: I'm not married. I've never wanted to be married. I

581
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: grew up in the South, as all anyone talked about.

582
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: I thought it was so old fashioned and like bluff,

583
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: here you are playing this woman that act was obsessed, right,

584
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: but like, come to the wedding day, I was like,

585
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: not even on the planet Earth. I was just levitating

586
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: with joy, like I had lost you to boundaries. Now.

587
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: No one else was except for Kyle enjoyed it. But

588
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: the girls were like it took so long, they're asleep,

589
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: They're so mad. They didn't like their bridesmaid's dresses, all

590
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: the different things. But I'm just like, oh, this is amazing.

591
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I just was just, you know, the lines

592
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: had blurred in so many ways at that point, which

593
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: as an actor it is a great thing. But it's

594
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: also interesting.

595
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 2: I well, what I think one of the I want

596
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 2: to get married so badly, you deasly may I think

597
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 2: mostly for the wedding, Like I think that's and people

598
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 2: seem to feel that way, and so you kind of

599
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: did get the best exactly, but then get divorced.

600
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: It's so true, and that was sad, and I think

601
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: it was confusing also because the whole storyline is interestingly confusing.

602
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 2: Yes, and you still don't really know that ends in

603
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 2: this episode is such a confusing place of them finally

604
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: having this like right earth shattering sex and.

605
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: It's so exciting, and then he says something like like.

606
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: Well you ask him if he are you? Do you

607
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: regret married? Like did you ever really want to marry me?

608
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: Right?

609
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 2: Which is really but you said it in a way

610
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 2: okay acting that was like it wasn't you weren't going

611
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 2: to be upset with whatever he said. It was like

612
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: it was almost like you just wanted to it was there, Yeah,

613
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:26,239
Speaker 2: hear it.

614
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: And I do think that's really major growth for her

615
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 1: for Charlotte, you know, and I also feel like some

616
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: of it is because they did just have sex, so

617
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 1: whatever lingering questions she'd had because when you do watch

618
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: the beginning of the series, she has all these interesting

619
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: insecurities that are like underneath her kind of more adventurousness

620
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: than you realize you. Everyone thinks she was like, you know, Pollyanna,

621
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: but Pollyanna, but she's out there trying to kind of weird.

622
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: Sometimes. I know, well, that's I find my inner Charlotte. Like,

623
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: I'm a very earnest adult and I've got a lot.

624
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: I think what I'm hoping to do is get through

625
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: life and with a sense of wonder and innocence. I

626
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: think innocence and adults. It's almost like we turn eighteen

627
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: and we're all of a sudden got a harden and

628
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: become apples. But I want to I want to constantly

629
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: be able to find my earnestness. I love it, and

630
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: I think that's where I relate to Charlotte the most.

631
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: But I also think she's she's got that little bit

632
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: of a weird She can say something sometimes it surprises you,

633
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: and it happens so often with the girls. Are they're like.

634
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: What I know, I know, but I think they go

635
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: together because what you're saying is that And I so

636
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: respect you for even acknowledging this. Right as an earnest person.

637
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: Myself, Yes, it's not easy.

638
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: The world is trying to shut you down more than

639
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: ever at all times, and especially on social media.

640
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: I think because like when I go to share something

641
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 2: that is really silly or actually relating it back to

642
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: like hyper femininity, for example, I so often, you know,

643
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: am experiencing something for the first time I transition, whether

644
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: that's trying a new makeup product on or having you know,

645
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 2: a romantic experience with a straight man, and people will

646
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: try to equate that to like a caricature or to

647
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: cosplay of womanhood, or that I'm doing it wrong. But

648
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: I actually think through the characters and sex and the city,

649
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: I was able to identify parts of myself through these

650
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 2: characters that not saying like, oh I am that woman,

651
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: but I really like how she does this, or I

652
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: like how she handled this and that scene with Charlotte

653
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 2: where she's completely honest with him after that sexual experience,

654
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: that to me is the kind of level balance that

655
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: I want to find in my womanhood and in the

656
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: confidence me too.

657
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: I mean, are we all looking for those kind of

658
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: like sign post kind of things, and.

659
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: Then there's so many people telling us that we're doing

660
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 2: it wrong.

661
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: Right, but you know that my good Lord is twenty

662
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: twenty five and God.

663
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: And that's where with the you know, just personally with

664
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 2: gender and identity, I'm like, what am I? What am

665
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: I doing that is so offensive to you or that

666
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: actually affects your life really in any way totally. And

667
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: that's what's confusing to me is we're so busy in

668
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: other people's right shit right, that we aren't focusing on

669
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: our own right and and I just think it's sad

670
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: because it's I do think women get the brunt of it.

671
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: And I think that right now, I've had to. I've

672
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: like closed off a lot of pieces of myself to

673
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: protect them when I would love to share them and

674
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: I would love to be out there talking about certain things.

675
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: But but also you have.

676
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: To protect to stay open. I think there is a

677
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: healthy amount of like self protection because you're protecting the

678
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: soft places, yes, because if you just are wide open,

679
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: they're not going to survive.

680
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: And people that energy vampires will find.

681
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: You, yeah, absolutely, because they're so out there. Social media

682
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: is so difficult anyway, and I think sometimes the challenge

683
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: is like finding the balance between expressing yourself and it's

684
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: so powerful to express yourself, you know, especially in your

685
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: situation where you're like a beacon of brightness and hope

686
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: and you know, like how the world should be in

687
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: my opinion, Thank you, it's my pleasure, It's true, but

688
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: I feel like that's so important to do, but not

689
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: at not if it's costing you too much. So you

690
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: always have to protect yourself. It's so important. And I

691
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: think about this myself in a much lesser, lesser level

692
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: because I am really open, but like, I have to

693
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: protect my kids, you know what I'm saying, Like there's.

694
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: Certain other things now in part of the equations that.

695
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: Are more important than Oh they look so cute, I

696
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: want to put them on social media, you even saying,

697
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of crazy people out there, and

698
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: I don't need all their opinions, and I don't need

699
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: their opinions about my kids because totally are special obviously

700
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: to me and need to be protected. And that's really

701
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: how like our little our children selves inside us are

702
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: the same.

703
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: Yes, and honoring those parts because I think I almost

704
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: went into it and I shared, you know, from day

705
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: one of transition that was partly little Dylan who came

706
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 2: out to you know her mom when she was four

707
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: saying this is who I am and now saying that

708
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: to the world, right, and then taking all of this in.

709
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: But I do think we can. We're always just trying

710
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 2: our best, and we the moments where I look back

711
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 2: and and say, oh, I would have said this differently,

712
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: or I would have you know, maybe I shouldn't have

713
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: shared that. I just now have to truck forward.

714
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: Absolutely, But I'm not going to be perfect. No, nobody's perfect,

715
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: and you're you know, you're just like that's also one

716
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: of the things that I love, and it's you know,

717
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: so hard because like, in some ways I am Charlotte.

718
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: In some ways I'm not right.

719
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: Yes, So when I.

720
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: Look back, you know, I have to go like making ownership,

721
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: taking ownership, but also I mean ownership of my performance

722
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: because sometimes I'm like, oh, I didn't do that well,

723
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like I felt I

724
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: do occasionally really feel that way. Not often, not often, okay,

725
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: but occasionally because sometimes for instance, like the when I

726
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: propose to myself with with Trey Kyle and then I

727
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: go to tell Sir Jessica carry about it. You know,

728
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: I have to use all the names because it's very confusing.

729
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: I remember that they were very very focused. You know,

730
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: when you're in a creative situation and you have a

731
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: director and you have a writer, right, and they're saying

732
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: to you, like, you've got to play the shock. You've

733
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 1: got to play the shock. You've got to play the shock.

734
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: It's a very long scene to play one feeling. It's

735
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: not really possible, right.

736
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 2: But did you give in? Sometimes?

737
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: No? I wish I had. I wish I had. I

738
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: wish I had had the strength to be like, you

739
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: know what, I can't play that the whole scene, you guys.

740
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: I mean, that's obviously the beat that I start with,

741
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: right because I'm like at the door, like all shocked.

742
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: I get that, But you can't play one the whole time. No,

743
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: the entire time. But I try so hard to do

744
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: it because I was trying to please them, and it

745
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: wasn't that good. It could have been so much better

746
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: if I had given myself freedom too.

747
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to give Oh my god, it's exactly supposed

748
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 2: to be.

749
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: You're so sweet, Okay, good, that's so sweet. I mean,

750
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: and I do think all so you got to give

751
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: yourself a break right.

752
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 2: On thousand percent, And that's why I think a break

753
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 2: on the episode title, and I just I also love Okay,

754
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: I think that we've gone down seven thousand roads. I'd

755
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: ask if you had known any trans people back in

756
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 2: the day, and I did not, so and then when no,

757
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 2: and I think of the characters you had the least

758
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 2: to kind of contribute about that specific storyline.

759
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: Definitely because I'm all stuck in the trade, even in

760
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 1: the Coffee show.

761
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: But I was thinking about it too, of like now

762
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: twenty five years later, and I was like, I feel like,

763
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: because Samantha ends up being probably the most transphobic of

764
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: them all, which I think she would probably be the

765
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 2: least I know makes sense, Like that's those are the

766
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: kind of women I feel like, the Chelsea Handler types

767
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 2: in my life that I know see me as a

768
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 2: woman like a hundred percent absolutely weird. But then I

769
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: was going, I was like, I was like, oh, who

770
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: would have been the most transo? And I was like,

771
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 2: none of those women I think in New York City

772
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five today would have said any of

773
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 2: those things, or no would have felt that way.

774
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:07,479
Speaker 1: No, I mean, that's was so shocking, Like everything about it,

775
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: it was so outdated and like crazy, yes, watching it.

776
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: But I also think that, like, you know, a lot

777
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: of during that time, they were casting men to play

778
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 2: trans women. And I looked it up and there's there

779
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: was there's three main leads of Destiny, Joe and uh China. Yeah,

780
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: And what I found interesting it looks like two of

781
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: them are non trans, but one was Karen cover girl

782
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: played Joe, and she very sadly passed away in twenty seventeen,

783
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 2: but she won all these pageants in the trans circuit

784
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: and she did she had this like amazing legacy of

785
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 2: of dolls and of family that she just built. And

786
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, that is a trans woman that

787
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: was there, Like was a part of that. That scene

788
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 2: was a part of this episode, right, And I was

789
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 2: thinking about her and how how when you're a guest star,

790
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 2: you're a day player, you probably don't have the rest

791
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 2: of you don't know how they're speaking about you, But

792
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 2: how big of a moment that would be. Oh my gosh,

793
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: I'm a trans woman in two the year two thousand,

794
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: I've been offered this role and in her you know,

795
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 2: taking an opportunity that was very exciting. And I can

796
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 2: relate to that with like, you know, I got asked

797
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 2: to go to the White House to interview the President,

798
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 2: and I never you know, there has never been a

799
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: trans person to do that. And I didn't fully know

800
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 2: what I was doing or why, what the bigger picture was.

801
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: And if I had that information, I probably wouldn't have

802
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: done what I did. Really, and I same thing I

803
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 2: think about that I I questioned with Karen is that

804
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 2: like if Karen had read that whole script, would she

805
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 2: still wanted to be a part of that? I know?

806
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: But well, rest in peace, Karen, love you and can

807
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: thank you. And I think being with us, it's it's

808
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 2: just fascinating of having to take the opportunity, yes that

809
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: you can, when they're so hard to come by.

810
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: Well, the other thing that I thought about by the end,

811
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: because what I do remember of this episode myself is

812
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: that final scene on the rooftop.

813
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, I have a there. I have a wall

814
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 2: of women at my house in my bedroom and it's

815
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 2: been up there for two years. But this is you

816
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 2: and the girls.

817
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: In a little screens white.

818
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: It's all I've got Dolly partner up there. I've got

819
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: free to call O. That is That scene is like,

820
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 2: it's just joy and it's like it's community and and

821
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: I think have Oh the last line of the episode

822
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: I found with that it was don't worry they have

823
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 2: a very lovely life, I know, which.

824
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: Is a callback to something else that we say earlier.

825
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,479
Speaker 2: Well about the the roofs. We haven't even talked about

826
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 2: the roots. Oh my god, right, animals.

827
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: Totally forgot I know, we love animals, and like I

828
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: was like, wait, what there's a veterinary rescue.

829
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 2: Like store, but they're just gonna put them in the basement,

830
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: now what? But what made me last was this idea

831
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 2: of I thought Carrie was saying, don't worry, they have

832
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: a very lovely life about the trans community, I know.

833
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: And then I was like, well, I don't know if

834
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: that's the takeaway. And then I was like, it's also

835
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: really funny thinking about now in twenty twenty five, Like

836
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: I don't think I would also say that, like necessarily

837
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: about the transcunity. But then I was like, oh, she's

838
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: talking about like the girls. She was she's talking about

839
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: uk okay, And but it did girl. So I was like,

840
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 2: did we think the show was ending? Like I'm so

841
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: there's so many interesting things. When I read that, felt

842
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: I mean, we shouldn't have thought that.

843
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: But like, isn't that a weird way to end?

844
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: Don't worry that they have a very lovely life.

845
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: I was like, that's how we should have ended, just

846
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: like that. Oh well me next time, had we known

847
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: it was the ending, maybe that's how Maybe we'll just

848
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: keep that in the back of our mind for the future.

849
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: But it did. It just made me laugh because I

850
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 2: was like, oh, this isn't I totally like thought it

851
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: was just about those women having a barbecue. We gave them,

852
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: We throw them a barbecue. They've got a good life.

853
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I was confused too. I was like, wait,

854
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,479
Speaker 1: are we talking about the chickens? Are we talking about

855
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: these these trans people who are actually with us now? Like,

856
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: thank god, we're having a barbecue together. Like, yes, it's

857
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 1: very interesting and slightly underwritten, I think.

858
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 2: Yes, But can I tell you what is so great

859
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,479
Speaker 2: about an episode like this? Yes, is because I think

860
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 2: flowers can grow from you know, point dead things, and

861
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 2: good can come from bad. And I had a situation

862
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: earlier this year that this episode played a major part

863
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: in Are you ready? Oh okay, oh yeah. It was

864
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: April of this year. I oh gosh, I was leaving

865
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: to go to London to do a play, and I

866
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: wanted to get out of America. I felt so polarizing.

867
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: I felt like the current administration, you know, how to

868
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: target even specifically on my back, and I was like,

869
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: I need to get out and people don't understand me here.

870
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 2: I don't feel safe. And before I was leaving, I

871
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: was going to see a few of my queer and

872
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: gal friends. Lily was going to be there, and one

873
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 2: of our friends was like, just you know, I have

874
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 2: to bring this twenty two year old guy from Alabama.

875
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 2: He's here from his senior spring break from college in Alabama.

876
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: Frat guy, you know, lacrosse player, Okay, And so he

877
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: tells us that this gay friend of ours and we're like,

878
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 2: how did and we're like, well, we met on vacation.

879
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: He just wanted to You've never been to la before,

880
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: never been out of Alabama. And so I'm thinking, oh god,

881
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get hate crime. But this dinner, but and

882
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 2: so me and Lily walk in and we're mostly just

883
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: excited to see the girls in the gays and then

884
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: this guy is sitting at the table. Hottest man we've

885
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: ever seen, pringles man mustache, but in the chakest way.

886
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

887
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 2: And so we're all sitting around and we're gabbing and

888
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 2: he's just taking it in and then somebody says, you know,

889
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: oh what sex and sarious city character are you? And

890
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: and we're going around and then he goes, is no

891
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: one going to ask me? And and we were like, oh,

892
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: if you've seen it? And he was like, I'm on

893
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: season three. Ah, And basically he starts He's like, well,

894
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 2: you know, I'm kind of a Miranda because I'm I'm

895
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 2: a real list, but you know, I'm really leading into

896
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 2: my my leading, you know, role energy, character energy, So

897
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 2: I guess some kind of carry in that way. And

898
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 2: you know, I do have a lot of sex, like

899
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: Samantha and and this is like the most froggy straight

900
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 2: man you've ever seen.

901
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: Love it.

902
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,439
Speaker 2: And so we're I mean, me and Lily, our jaws

903
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: are just on the floor drooling, and we're like, what

904
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 2: where did you come from? How? And then we were like, oh, well, god,

905
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 2: have you ever been to Davy Wayne's in La? We're going.

906
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 2: So it's a bar where you open up a fridge

907
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 2: and you walk through in Hollywood, total dive bar. Seventies fiveesh,

908
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: and there was a live band. And when I look

909
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 2: back at him, he walks in and I'm like, are

910
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: you having fun? He's like, this is the best day

911
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 2: of my life. And and so we're watching the band

912
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 2: and he's probably, you know, six', Four i'm five, seven

913
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 2: AND i start feeling the little drum on you, know

914
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 2: when you're you've got someone standing behind, you and you

915
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: start feeling the little the drum of their fingers on your,

916
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 2: stomach and you're, going, well what's?

917
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: Happening, definitely AND.

918
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: I look To lily And i'm, like, fuck look at

919
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: the fingers and and so he's you, know we're like

920
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 2: kind of rocking with the music the live band's. Playing

921
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: i'm just acting. Natural and at this point my trances

922
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: has never come. Up i've never talked to him about

923
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 2: anything like.

924
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: That oh.

925
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 2: Lord and So i'm, Like, okay we need an escape

926
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 2: plan from. This so me And lily go to the,

927
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 2: bathroom like what DO i? Do and and it's it's

928
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 2: really crazy because as you, know out, there AS i

929
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 2: am as a public, FIGURE i still find myself having

930
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 2: to come out all the, time especially in you, know romantic.

931
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: Situations If i'm just meeting someone at a bar at a,

932
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: club and so it makes for all these like tricky

933
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: CONVERSATIONS i can. Imagine and luckily the friend that we were,

934
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 2: with the gay, guy was, LIKE i had Told alabama

935
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 2: guy THAT i was. Trans he was, like, oh that's,

936
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 2: okay you know what's? Cool AND i go back Out

937
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 2: Voulez vou From ABBA's, Playing oh my. God we start

938
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: making out on the dance. Floor it was, like you

939
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: know foo And I'M i was, like let me just

940
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: enjoy this for what it. Is, sure we do a

941
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 2: few dances and THEN i get into My uber to

942
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 2: go home and he, goes, Well i'm coming with, you.

943
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: RIGHT i was, like, So i'm like. Fine we pull

944
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 2: up to my. HOUSE i hand him a. GUITAR i

945
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 2: didn't even know if he played. GUITAR i just handed

946
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 2: it to him and, said, there sit on my. Couch

947
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 2: he starts Playing Hotel California. Wow and THEN i go

948
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: into my bedroom AND i start scooping the cheese it's

949
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: out of my. Bed and The percy. Pigs you ever

950
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: had A percy?

951
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 1: Pig?

952
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 2: NOW i almost brought you some.

953
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: Today what is?

954
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: It they are marks And spencer's that you can only

955
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: get them in THE uk and they're a sour, candy

956
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: BUT i had like bits of them in the. BED

957
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: i didn't expect to have anyone. OVER i thought it

958
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 2: was going to get hate crimed by this. Guy and

959
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: the next THING i, know he's Playing Hotel california in

960
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: the living. Room. Yeah So i'm scooping all the crumbs

961
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: out And i'm, like okay ready and we have this

962
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 2: like amazing night and and it was so just wild

963
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 2: because this is the last PERSON i ever thought That

964
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: i'd end up in bed. With and also keep in

965
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: mind he had never, heard he didn't know about me.

966
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 2: Before and then in the house that you, KNOW i

967
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: had a few magazines with my face on. It he's,

968
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: like oh my, gosh you're her AND i was like.

969
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: Yeah and, he you, know brought up this beer out

970
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: the beer thing and he was, like, oh that was.

971
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: You he's, like you're way hotter in. Person AND i was,

972
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: Like i'll take, it thank. You and so then we're

973
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: we hook. Up there was a moment WHERE i got

974
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 2: on top of him and he, GOES i can't Believe

975
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 2: i'm having sex With Devin. MULLANEY i wanted to. Die

976
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 2: do you know? What that.

977
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: That was.

978
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: BAD i, mean because what do you do do you

979
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 2: do you correct someone in that?

980
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: Moment, YEAH i think, SO i, well it depends what you.

981
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: Want it felt like it would have taken a turn

982
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 2: in the, room and SO i ran with.

983
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: It and SO i, said.

984
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: We're Just i'm right, Now i'm deaf you why?

985
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: Not and.

986
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: Yeah so so, yeah this night we you, know we're

987
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 2: laying in bed and he, goes you're my thirty third

988
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 2: AND i was, like what's, Like you're the thirty third

989
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 2: Woman i've had sex. With AND i was, like oh my.

990
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: Gosh we hadn't really brought up the trans. Stuff and

991
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 2: he was, Like i've, never you, know done anything. Queer

992
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 2: i've Never this is. CRAZY i was, like are YOU

993
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: i was it and he was like that was, great

994
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 2: AND i, KNOW i was like, okay, great and and

995
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 2: SO i really thought it was going to be this

996
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 2: one time. Thing he puts he puts my, phone my

997
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: name and Is debbie on the. Phone AND i go

998
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 2: in and change it AND i was, like this is

999
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: actually and he was, like oh, shit oh, sorry and

1000
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 2: he did the next day he, goes what are we doing?

1001
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 2: Today AND i was like. NOTHING i had plans and

1002
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: he was, like, well CAN i see you? Tonight AND

1003
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 2: i was, like, OKAY i. DIDN'T i, thought you know,

1004
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: this it's going. Well then that NIGHT i had taken

1005
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: a little gummy and AND i forgot that he was

1006
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 2: potentially coming. Over and So i'm watching your show and he,

1007
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 2: Texts he's, like what are you up. To i'm, like,

1008
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 2: OH i took a. Gummy i'm Watching.

1009
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: Sex and The.

1010
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 2: City and he, goes can we start? It season, three episode,

1011
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: Seventeen that's WHERE i left. Off, oh so back In.

1012
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: Alabama clearly there was A netflix account that was sitting

1013
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 2: on that. Episode SO i was, like, great we ordered taco,

1014
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: bell open. UP i was already watching the. SHOW i

1015
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: go to that, episode we're watching, it cuddling in, bed

1016
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 2: and then oh cock a doodle doo comes, on And i'm,

1017
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: going oh, shit BECAUSE i the whole kind of hope

1018
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: from this scenario with this this experience with this, guy

1019
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 2: was THAT i am not He's it's not about my.

1020
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 2: Identity it's Not i'm just trying, to you, know have.

1021
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: Fun i'm learning about my. Body and we're watching it

1022
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 2: AND i GO i like totally clam, up And i'm,

1023
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 2: like oh my, god this is so. Embarrassing and finally

1024
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 2: we kind of get through to, it and we watched

1025
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 2: the entire episode actually in silence pretty, much and then

1026
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: we get to the rooftop scene and he's, like, so

1027
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: how does this make you? Feel?

1028
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: WOW i was, like, okay.

1029
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 2: Twenty two year, old you, know college, guy AND i, go,

1030
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: well as a trans woman and he goes, no he,

1031
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: goes you're a. Woman you're not a trans, Woman you're a. Woman,

1032
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 2: amazing And i'm, like oh, shit BUT i actually started

1033
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: tearing up because this how. CRAZY i think that it

1034
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,439
Speaker 2: took that kind of character to get that through my thick,

1035
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 2: skull and in the last place THAT i thought it

1036
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 2: was going to be in this episode that is so deeply,

1037
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: problematic created this moment for me and this guy to

1038
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 2: see each other and have him validate the way THAT

1039
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 2: i see. Myself and that was the turning point for

1040
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 2: me in my transition of being, like, OH i and

1041
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 2: you shouldn't need permission from. Anyone but that gave me

1042
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: hope because what it did WAS i was, like, oh

1043
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 2: there are still people in this. World there's straight men

1044
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 2: in this world that see me the way THAT i

1045
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: want to be. Seen. Amazing and and so just so

1046
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 2: we know that something did come from The Conca doodle.

1047
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 2: Episode and ALSO.

1048
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: I do think that the kind of point about it

1049
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: is that even though it's like so badly portrayed right

1050
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: in the, episode you, KNOW i don't know like how

1051
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: many other places there there was any representation at, all,

1052
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: right meaning not that it REALLY i don't know representation

1053
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: is the right, word but because we do end on

1054
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: a joyful note WHERE i wish there was more about

1055
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 1: how we got there, right, right that's the part that's.

1056
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: Missing it almost feels like a scene is missing of going.

1057
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 1: Out exactly having some realization that you, know, yes.

1058
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 2: Maybe that she handled it, wrong or that we're not

1059
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 2: going to call them men, anymore or there.

1060
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: Was like so stereotypical and like cliche her projection onto,

1061
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: Them but whatever, reason she does get to this joyful,

1062
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: place WHICH i think is where the show's heart. Is,

1063
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: yes inclusion is enjoy trying to find the funny and

1064
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: trying to the funny and the joy and being together in,

1065
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 1: it you, know WHICH i think is like that's in

1066
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: some ways is our. Legacy though sometimes you watch an

1067
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: episode and you'll be, like, ooh we don't deserve that

1068
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: legacy right this, moment but in the end we get

1069
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: there some.

1070
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 2: A thousand and she's. GREAT i think you could ask

1071
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 2: a thousand different trans people about this episode and they'd

1072
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 2: have very different, takes and especially black trans, women because

1073
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 2: that is what their story was being portrayed, as, Right

1074
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 2: AND i think that now going forward twenty five years,

1075
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 2: later than, god we're cringing at it.

1076
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: Right and also Thank god that there is a straight

1077
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: guy From alabama who could have such a way that

1078
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: likes the.

1079
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 2: Dolls they like the, dolls love, it they do love.

1080
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 1: It but not even liking the. DOLLS i would expect

1081
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: them to like the, dolls BECAUSE i think everyone likes the,

1082
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: dolls really, you but that he would have wisdom about

1083
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: you claiming yourself.

1084
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 2: AND i don't think he knew what that. Meant and

1085
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 2: that's it's so crazy when you think about moments actually

1086
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 2: like me being here with you right, now like you

1087
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 2: don't know how much you've affected someone else's, life and

1088
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 2: even just that's why when EVER i meet someone out

1089
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 2: on a street or, WHATEVER i realize that this could

1090
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 2: be a big moment for them or or. POINT i

1091
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 2: don't know what's going on in their. Life BUT i

1092
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 2: want to make sure THAT i leave them better than you.

1093
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 2: KNOW i met, them, absolutely and that's what he. Did

1094
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 2: and actually we still talk quite a little. Bit BUT

1095
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 2: i think that it wasn't about the long term of

1096
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 2: it was it was about those little. Moments and have

1097
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 2: you ever been with someone where like you got a

1098
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 2: very specific thing from them and you knew, that like

1099
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 2: there was maybe a temptation to like keep it, going

1100
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: but you just let it be this special. Moment you

1101
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 2: don't do.

1102
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: THAT i am not good at keeping something simple and. Short,

1103
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: now want.

1104
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 2: You play it out until you.

1105
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: Old. PAST i, MEAN i definitely have been with People

1106
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 1: i'm trying to think. NOW i, MEAN i definitely FEEL

1107
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: i definitely feel like there have been people along the

1108
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: way where there was like a point or a message

1109
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: within the, relationship probably for both the purpose of, it,

1110
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: yeah purpose a purpose of a larger. Purpose AND i,

1111
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: MEAN i remember there's a time it's not in this

1112
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: time of the show, yet but it's coming and there's

1113
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: a scene that everyone. Loves i'm not gonna give it away,

1114
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: now but there's a scene that everyone. Loves AND i

1115
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 1: know what was going on in my personal, life and

1116
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: my personal life was THAT i was dating someone who

1117
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: for the first TIME i would, say And i'm like

1118
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: probably thirty five or something at that, point, right was

1119
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:43,720
Speaker 1: not pushing me away saying you're too. Much and he

1120
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: was a person that people in my life were, like

1121
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: what are you? Doing you know when you have those,

1122
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: people people were just, like why are you going? There

1123
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 1: don't go over? There And i'm, like you don't.

1124
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: Understand That's miranda and carrying this. Episode she's like going

1125
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 2: crazy great about, right why are you still all talking

1126
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 2: to big?

1127
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: Right we're going to talk about that's love.

1128
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 2: It so this guy was saying you were too. Much,

1129
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 2: no he was.

1130
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: Saying THAT i wasn't too. Much he was like the

1131
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: first one THAT i. Liked and MY i, mean my

1132
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: quirks weren't ALWAYS i don't know really who knows what

1133
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: the problems were with, people but like you know when

1134
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: people want you to be.

1135
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: Less all the, time.

1136
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: Yeah like they just want you to be, less less,

1137
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: emotional less, intense less, NEEDY i guess, less like all

1138
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: the different. Things, Right and he was the first one

1139
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: who was, like bring it, on it's. Great AND i was, like,

1140
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: oh gave you, permission, yes and embraced like was into,

1141
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: it you know What i'm. Saying and this is someone,

1142
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: who like on, paper everybody was, like, no, no anyone

1143
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: who knew about. It at that, POINT i was keeping

1144
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: things to. Myself do you know WHAT i? Mean, yes,

1145
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: yes but it was a very important.

1146
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: Thing did it end okay with?

1147
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 1: Him it ends, horribly horribly definitely hardly got.

1148
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 2: We got something out of it.

1149
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i stayed too, Long, DYLAN i stayed too.

1150
00:53:58,440 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: Long, okay you know What i'm, saying don't stay too.

1151
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 2: Right that's that didn't didn't have that part. Yet BUT

1152
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,439
Speaker 2: i also Think i've had friends, where you, know MAYBE

1153
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 2: i don't like their partners AND i don't understand it

1154
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 2: also the same way, around AND i think we all

1155
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 2: have to live out absolutely these.

1156
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: Stories we have something that we're working.

1157
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 2: On AND i Think i've also had friends who have

1158
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 2: tried to teach me so you know what they've gone

1159
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 2: through and so THAT i don't go through. It but

1160
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 2: sometimes you got that.

1161
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: Way, Yeah, no it doesn't work that. Way and that's

1162
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: what let's talk for a, second BECAUSE i also really

1163
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: didn't remember anything that goes. On part of what is

1164
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: so fun about rewatching is That i'm like and SOMETIMES

1165
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: i literally have no, memory LIKE i did not remember. That, Samantha,

1166
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: Sorry miranda and carry are going to run Into oh my,

1167
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: god we've even gotten to. That yeah, RIGHT i mean

1168
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: like so many, Men i'm Like, god and then they,

1169
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: fight they fight about it. ALL i mean, like it's super.

1170
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: Fascinating our show is very, interesting the highs and the.

1171
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 2: Lows CAN i pee before we talk about? It of? Course,

1172
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 2: okay we're being really.

1173
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: Quick we're gonna be and then we're gonna Rewatch The

1174
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 1: Instant Distant pastmas