1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: As I sat there and got emotional. My emotion was, 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: you know, this all happened because I had a lot 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: of good people that worked with me. I would be 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: in the same position as Ray did when he left 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: the game, when Johnny Elway when he left the game, 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 1: and when Paid Manning. I envied those guys, and I 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: like to be able to walk away from the game 8 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: in this position, you know, holding that trophy. I go, yeah, hey, dog, 9 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: I don't do this anymore. You know, you talk to 10 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: someone else, you know, I don't need this at ache. 11 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge for our best Lounge episode ever. 12 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: Oh you're starting off already, yeah, before we even get 13 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: into the meat. But you're setting the boar that high. 14 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: I mean, we have Ozzie Newsome on the lounge today. Yeah, 15 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: that's a pretty big guest. Hall of Famer. Yeah, pretty awesome. 16 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: So we're really really excited about this. We want to 17 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: talk about the emails that came flooding in after your 18 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: Bush League on the travel Draft, but it seems a 19 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: little odd to read all of these before we get 20 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: to Ozzie. We don't want to keep him waiting right exactly, 21 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: So we'll get to those after after discussion. Yeah, so 22 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: let's go ahead and welcome in our GM Ozzy Newsome. Now, 23 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: you don't do this interview for everybody, so we got 24 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: to start this out. How are we lucky enough to 25 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: score this? Oh? All right, just like you. You know, 26 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: that's what everybody says about you. Your patience is your 27 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: best virtue. I guess nobody's said that about me. But 28 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: we've been watching Aussie for these all these years, We've 29 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: learned something. It's true. It's true. So now that midicamp 30 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: has done Aussie, is it time to hit the links 31 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: or what do you have planned for the next month? Well, yeah, 32 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: some golf, Uh, go back to Alabama, get a chance 33 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: to spend some time with my ninety four year old mother. 34 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: So but a lot of golf and little football, you know. 35 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: So you know, when mini camps dots are done, where 36 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: do you feel like you feel like the team's a 37 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: good spot right now? Do you like what you've been 38 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 1: able to see over the past you know six weeks? Well, yes, 39 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: you know you we've had the opportunity to have our 40 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: draft choices. Uh to be here now since the draft 41 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: and uh, you start to get a chance to see 42 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: where they feel configuring you know, the strengths and weaknesses 43 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: that they have, and then they also them merging themselves 44 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: in that to the with the rest of the team 45 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: and also with the O T A S and the 46 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: mini camp. The opportunity see Crab and then uh John 47 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: and then Sneet and those guys. You know see how 48 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: theyche starting to mess with Joe. So it's a lot 49 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: of opportunity to watch this thing start to develop. But 50 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: I would say, well, only halfway there now. As the 51 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: speaking of the rookies, we'd be remissed if we didn't 52 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: ask you about Lamar Jackson. What's your I shouldn't been 53 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: of how Lamar has done so far. Well, I just 54 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: liked the way he's carried himself in the building. Um 55 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: he uh has a great presence about himself. He has 56 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: respect for everybody in the building. And Uh, I don't 57 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: feel I don't get the opportunity to be in the 58 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: meeting rooms with him back and watch him out on 59 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: the field, the way he interacts with players, when he 60 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: interacts with Joe. And I've seen improvement from the rookie 61 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: minicamp up until this minicamp, I've seen some improvement in it. 62 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: So you talk about the draft. Let's go back to 63 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: this draft. You know in April. Obviously it was a 64 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: big weekend for the team, and then it was a 65 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: big weekend for you personally. Obviously that last day it 66 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: was just an emotional day. When you and Eric and 67 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: everybody came down after the press comments, we could all 68 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: see that, Um, how was it more emotional than you 69 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: expected it to be? You know how long did it 70 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: take you to digest that entire weekend? Well? Number one, 71 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: I didn't anticipate it. He didn't know, And if I 72 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: would have known that they were going to do it, 73 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been done. Yeah, I would go, no, 74 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: we're not doing that. Yeah, exactly. So you know, Steve 75 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: and Kevin, you know, UH put it together without me knowing. Uh. 76 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: The only thing I did know about is that when 77 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: I was talking to uh, the kids from Fair State, 78 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: that I was telling him, you know this what he 79 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: would be the last person that I would talk to 80 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: as a raven GM. And so I was anticipated in that, 81 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: and I knew I was going to do that, but 82 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: then I was still focused on the undrafted college free agent. 83 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: I wasn't prepared for. You know this nice celebration that 84 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: Steve and Kevin put together for me. I mean, but 85 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: I bet you're glad you had that moment, like looking 86 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: back at you, glad you had that. Yeah, But you know, 87 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: I'm glad because of the people that were there that 88 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: have been such a big part of me for the 89 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: twenty three years that I've been A year, it was 90 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: more about them, you know that. As I sat there 91 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: and got emotional, my emotion was, you know, this all 92 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: happened because I had a lot of good people that 93 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: worked with me. When you went home after that third day, 94 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: what was the feeling when you got back or when 95 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: you were in your car. Was it relief where you exhausted, 96 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: where you sad that this kind of ended. I was tired. 97 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: I was fatigued. Uh, you know, with all the moves 98 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: we made and then the picks we had to make, 99 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: and then to go through that uh, that last pick 100 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: and the presentation that was made, I was really worn down. 101 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: And it took me probably about eight or nine days 102 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: to finally get my energy back. And but also Eric 103 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: was the same way. You know that we went through 104 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: a rookie minicamp and we were still in the days 105 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: and finally after that we were able to get, you know, 106 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: get our legs back. Right. You talk about Eric, and 107 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: there's obviously a lot more work to be done this 108 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: season for you as GM, a lot more roster maneuvering 109 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: and whatnot. When do you officially kind of hand the 110 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: reins over to Erica? What's the process for that? Uh? 111 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: When this this season ends, and hopefully it ends in Atlanta. Uh. 112 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: And that's the way Steve and I set it up 113 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: because even though I officially uh in next June, but 114 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: the season starts once our season ends, and at that 115 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: point is when he needs to start to put his 116 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: imprint on the football team. So that's when it's going 117 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: to start to occur. And I'll be a sidekick. You 118 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: guys are always basically you're always planning for like the 119 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: current year and then, but you're also looking at the 120 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 1: draft and that's always in the volving process. So like 121 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: does Eric basically now is he already also looking ahead 122 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: and kind of planning and running the twenty drafts even 123 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: though we're still what eleven months? Well, but he would 124 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: have been doing that anyway, you know, he Uh, he 125 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: would be preparing himself. I mean, our area scouts are 126 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: doing the spring cross checks right now, you know, followed 127 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: their schools getting their spring reports in, so we'll have that. 128 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: So it'll be business as usual up until the season end. 129 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: And by the time the season's in, we're probably at 130 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: only percent of the draft, you know, with all of 131 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: the work that's that's done and the way Joe sets 132 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 1: up all the scouts story. We get the coverages that 133 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: we get, and then it'll be the flipping on the switch, 134 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: you know, once the seasons in, and then he'll start 135 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: to put his imprint on how he wants to do things. 136 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: I don't foresee a lot of change, but it could 137 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: be because it's his opportunity to make this the way 138 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: he wants it to be. You kind of mentioned that, 139 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: how do you think that Eric will be a little 140 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: bit different from you? Uh? You know, Eric is probably 141 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: more into the analytic aspect of it. Uh. He likes 142 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: that part of it, um and he's an unbelievable evaluator 143 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: and he uh, he is great with people, but he 144 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: is I mean it's a generational thing. You know. I'm 145 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: not a big analytical guy, you know, and I'm a 146 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: pencil paper guy, you know, and uh, but no in 147 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: his generation, you know there's a little bit more of that, 148 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: so I think he'll add some of that, but I 149 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna go away from the core of 150 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: what's been done here for the last twenty years twenty 151 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: places years, because he's been a part of that. I'm 152 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: curious when the season ended and Steve made the announcement 153 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: about the transition. You know, you and him and Eric 154 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: make this plan basically five years ago, and then when 155 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: you guys all get together, you know, this offseason to 156 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: discuss it, how did that process go. I mean, were 157 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: you basically saying, all right, this is the year it's 158 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: gonna be years you know, or were you at that 159 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: point saying, oh man, this is gonna be tougher than 160 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: I expected. Like, where were you in that process when 161 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: the time came. No, it was all about preparing for 162 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: the off season, preparing for the draft, preparing for the season. Uh, 163 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: we knew this was coming, you know, and the Batton 164 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: is going to be passed. But it's important for us 165 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: to do as well as we can do this year 166 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: to get this team to go as far as it 167 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: can go. And I think the three of us to 168 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: be well pleased. I think all three of us, including 169 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: Dick and John would like it no better than to 170 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: be standing on that uh stage in Atlanta. And to me, 171 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: then I would be in the same position as Ray 172 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: did when he left the game, when Johnny Elway when 173 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: he left the game, and when Paid Manning. I envied 174 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: those guys, and I like to be able to walk 175 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: away from the game in this position, you know, holding 176 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: that trophy. Do you think that it's gonna be really 177 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: difficult for you in a year personally emotionally not to 178 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: be GM. Do you think you'll really miss that role? No, 179 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: because I think the way we interact, uh we do 180 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: everything through a partnership, through a team, and uh so no, uh, 181 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: because I think I'll still be involved, you know, the 182 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: day to day nuts and votes. I mean, that would 183 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: be Eric. But you know, my my phone will still ring, 184 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: you know, and and I want that, and he wants that, 185 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: and Steve wants that, and you know, and I still 186 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: got all the relationship with the players. So uh, yes, 187 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: it will change, But yes, it won't change, you know 188 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, Uh, if we 189 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: have a great draft in two thousand nineteen, that's Eric 190 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: the Costa strap, It's not Ozzy k Newsom Strap when 191 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: when the agents call pestering you, is that you Ford 192 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: that called Eric? I go, yeah, hey, dog, I don't 193 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: do this anymore. You know, you talk to someone else. 194 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: You know, I don't need this, Edache. One of the 195 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: things that always strikes me about you is you seem 196 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: to be one of the most routine oriented people I've 197 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: ever seen. It seems like the haircuts the same time, 198 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: the treadmill is the same time, you know, whenever you know, 199 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: we're going in there, which is rare for me, you know, 200 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: more rare for Ryan to get her. We don't see 201 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: us in there too often, but we make our way 202 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: in there. I'm always curious, you know, when you're on 203 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: the phone, what's the craziest deal you've ever made on 204 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: the treadmill? Because you spent a lot of time in 205 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: that trouble. Have you ever made a trade a signing 206 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 1: you have? I made the trade for Steve mcnaw on 207 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: the treadmill? Really, wow? I did? I did? I knew 208 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: we were had had dialogue with Floyd. I think Florida 209 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: Reach was the gym, but uh, the Titans at that point, 210 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: and I felt like we were close. But I was 211 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: on the treadmill when I got the call and we 212 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: came to terms while I wanted the trademan Steve McNair, 213 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: So I said, what do you do? Do you do 214 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: you then get off the triple and go to everybody? 215 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: Do you say? Right, I'm gonna finish on my workout 216 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: here'll I'll let everybody know what I mean because the 217 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: technology then I just called Pat on the phone and say, hey, 218 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,719 Speaker 1: you need to call you know, the contract negotiating and 219 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: with the Titans and these other terms and so it 220 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: gets done after that. But you know the verbal part 221 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: in the Florida I did and I was right there 222 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: on the trademan. Yeah. So we want to go back 223 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: and talk about your career as a whole, and I 224 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: want to start really from the beginning, you know, after 225 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: you your playing days were done, or maybe it came 226 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: before this. When did you first know that you wanted 227 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: to be a general manager? Uh? You know, I wanted 228 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: to stay in football, and I was offered that opportunity 229 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: by Mr Modell, and but I told him I wanted 230 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 1: to stay on the football side. I didn't want to 231 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: get on the other side, you know, of the business. 232 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: And he agreed with me that uh, to do that. 233 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: And I was given a great opportunity from with Ernie. 234 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: Of course he was the gym in Belichick and the 235 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: head coach is that you know. They came in and 236 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: they just took me and just threw me out there 237 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: and say, hey, learn this business, you know, learn how 238 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: to do it. But they were great mentors, both of them, 239 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: and uh so I just soaked up everything. You know. 240 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: I had other people, you know, Lombardi and Dominnieling and 241 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: Tom Demitrov seen you, a lot of other Gary Horden, 242 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: older scouts that kind of took me and showed me 243 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: the way around. And then there are other scouts that, 244 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: uh from other teams that when I would go out 245 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: on the road and they would say, come on, just 246 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: follow me, and uh, they would teach me how to 247 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: do things. And I was a sponge. Uh. And but 248 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: then I had to make a decision between coaching and 249 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: personnel when we made the decision to move to Baltimore, 250 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: and that's when I decided I was going into personnel. 251 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: I wanted to be in personnel. I'm curious what kind 252 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: of influence Bill Belichick had on you when you made 253 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: that transition. What what number one it was how thorough 254 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: he was, how detail he was, you know, and and 255 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: you know he it was things that we could do, 256 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: that we could accomplish, and but we could move on 257 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: from that to the next and it whether it was 258 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: a win or a loss, we moved on. But you know, 259 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: he's a historian a football. You know, he grew up 260 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: just with around his dad and watching and reading and 261 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: so he knew so much about the history of our game. 262 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: And when you sat there with him, Uh, the way 263 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: he taught me how to prepare, it's unbelievable, you know. Uh. 264 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: And having that foundation helped me when I became in 265 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: this position, and so did Ernie and how Ernie taught 266 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: me so. But but being around Bill for those years, 267 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: and you know, and some people say he's a tough 268 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: guy to work for. Anybody that's good and great at 269 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: their job is probably gonna be a little tough to 270 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: work for him. But when you what you learn from them, 271 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: it carries for a long time. Well, Aussie, I think 272 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: you're pretty easy to work for it. Let's let's back 273 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: that up a little bit. I don't know, you need 274 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: to ask some people. What's interesting though about Bill is 275 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: that you know, you had to deviate from in a 276 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: way too for one of your greatest career achievements, you know, 277 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: because he had kind of the size requirements on his 278 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: draft picks, and one of your biggest achievements was picking 279 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: Ray Lewis and everybody said he was undersize. So did 280 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: you find your own voice kind of in that first draft? Well, 281 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: that was came from Ted Marcho broto Yeah, because we 282 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: were a side speed team, you know, coming out of Cleveland, 283 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: and uh, we had to charts and everything. And the 284 00:14:56,040 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: first uh conversation I had with Ted coach mart wrote 285 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: about the draft. I go, coach, what do you like 286 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: in a football player? What what do you want us 287 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: looking for? And he said, just find me someone with 288 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: a great football temperament who loves the game. So when 289 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: you look for that, you ain't looking for height, weight 290 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: and speak. You know, you know, you know, you find 291 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: someone that will love the game. And you know raged 292 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: grades reflected, you know that system. But we had all 293 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: ways talked about and because Barry Sanders was another guy 294 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: when I was working with Bill and Mike is there 295 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: should be a certain grade for a guy who does 296 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: not fit the measurable That's a really, really good player 297 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: and how do we equate that? And so that all 298 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: came into play right as you've always run the personnel 299 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: side of the business here, but when you were hired 300 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: officially as the Ravens GM, you became the first African 301 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: American GM in league history. For a guy who grew 302 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: up during Jim Crow era, you know, grew up during 303 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: the bombings, grew up when we're drinking from different water fountains. 304 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: That means to you personally, well, you know, it really 305 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: didn't dawn't on me, you know, I it was an opportunity, 306 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: you know, uh for me number one, you know, it 307 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: was tough leaving Cleveland, but I had this great opportunity 308 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: and and as I've said before, I didn't really dawn't 309 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: on me until I had a conversation. I went on 310 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: a radio show with John Thompson and he said to me, 311 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: he said, you know there are other young black or 312 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: African Americans can grow up now to be a GYM 313 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: because you're one. Then then it don't know me. But 314 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: you know, in my history it was so many times 315 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: that I was one of the first one to do 316 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: something well in that first class of doing something that 317 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: you just go Okay, it's it's another opportunity, it's another 318 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: mountain to climb, and you don't sit there and get 319 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: yourself concerned about being the first. It's more important to 320 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: do the job. Do you now, They'll have you kind 321 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: of seeing how you have been the trailblazer in that space, 322 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: like it dawns in you initially and now what twenty 323 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: years later you have seen the change? Do you see? Like? 324 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: Do you see now with the benefit of time, we 325 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: kind of recognize how you have been in tremendous trailblazer 326 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: in that space. Well, but you know, that's just like 327 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: in society. I saw change in the sixties. I saw 328 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: a change. I couldn't go to a predominantly white school 329 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: now I could, So I saw change. So I've been 330 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 1: seeing change the whole time. But what I have to 331 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: look at my own self? And I said this with 332 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: in my interview with Dominique. Did I do enough? Did 333 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: I do enough to help others to be able to 334 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: have the same opportunity? Did I have? I'm curious how 335 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: cool of a moment was it when you shook Barack 336 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: Obama's hend the first African American president. It was very cool? Uh? 337 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: In the sense that when he won the presidency, I 338 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: called my mother and uh she was in tears. Uh 339 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 1: So that impact of her having to live her life 340 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: and she's ninety four years old now and for her 341 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: to see that happen in her time and then get 342 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: the opportunity to uh to go and uh meet Barack 343 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: as the President of the United States, that that was 344 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: very special. It's a great story, you know. For you, 345 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 1: in the course of your career, you've when Super Bowls, 346 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: drafted Hall of Famers, you know, pretty much check every box. 347 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: I'm curious what you're most proud of in your tenure 348 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: as a general manager. I think it's the relationship with 349 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: the players. I mean, you can't take away from winning 350 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,959 Speaker 1: super Bowls because I never won with a player, and 351 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: and that's that's an unbelievable feeling. But the relationship that 352 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: I had with the players that have came through here 353 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: are lasting. You know that they're not my kids, but 354 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: they are my kids, you know, And and I just 355 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: have an own going. Really, I have an appreciation for 356 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: for those guys that came here and was a part 357 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: of that and coaches you so you know, hey, having 358 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: not won a Super Bowl as a player, and getting 359 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: that opportunity to win one twice as a GM, hopefully 360 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: another one. You can't replace that. But those relationships that 361 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: I've gained over these past twenty plus years, nothing can 362 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: we raise those? Do you stay in contact me? Do 363 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: those are those lasting? Like for a guy like ray 364 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: Lewis or Jonathan do you talk to these guys regularly? 365 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: You know what, It's not a weekly thing, but we do, 366 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: you know, stay in contact. When we drafted Lamar Jackson, 367 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: one of the first uh texts I got with from 368 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: ray Lewis, you know, uh, and so Dion you saw 369 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: what Dion did that that that day. So you know, 370 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: it isn't when you have a relationships almost like my 371 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: brothers and sisters and your brothers and sisters then my 372 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: brothers and sisters. But I may not talk to him 373 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: once every three weeks or once a month, but they 374 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: still my brothers and sisters. We grew up together. So 375 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,719 Speaker 1: you know, it's that bond that you have and you 376 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: just don't have necessarily have that dialogue every day. That's 377 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: I'm curious, what was Was this been more fun you're 378 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: playing days or your time as a general manager? Well, 379 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: I think I look at it in two different ways. 380 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: I could affect the game when I played it on Sundays. 381 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: I can't affect the game. I'm sitting there watching just 382 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: like you two, and you know, and and you learn, 383 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: and you know. And Eric watches it one way, and 384 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: I watches it another way, and Pat watches it another way, 385 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: and Jessica watch it another way. We all sit together. 386 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: But you know, I have no impact on the game 387 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: on Sundays. You know, I do from Monday to Saturday, 388 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: you know, but very little then, because all I do 389 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: is provide the talent on the field for the coaches. 390 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: But when I played the game, I impacted the game. 391 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: Well you know what's funny is it amazes me watch 392 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: to you in the press box. Watched these games because 393 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: you're quiet, you're silent, you don't show hardly any emotion. 394 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: And Eric's next to you, and he's a little different. Yes, 395 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: that that is true. It's it's uh, it's it's been 396 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: a uh, it's been enjoyable to watch the game with Eric. 397 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: Eric kind of gives the rest of us on the road. 398 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: It's it's uh, you know what he wears his emotions, 399 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and he understands the rules and everything. 400 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: Uh but uh no, I just I know I have 401 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 1: no impact, so I keep it in eternally. But I'm 402 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: I'm churning and burning. Was another tough question for you, 403 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: outside of drafting the three Hall of Famers obvious slam 404 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: Dunk's career moments. What was would you say was the 405 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: best move that you've made as GM? I would you know? 406 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: It happened? And then this was uh the shock shack Harris, 407 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: and he came after the first year and he said, 408 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: you always got to be prepared in the second round 409 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: for someone to give you a first round pick. And 410 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: in the Peter Bullway Draft, we got a call to 411 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: trade our second round pick for the first round pick, 412 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: and I wasn't prepared. We pick ended up picking Jamie 413 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: Schopper was a good player for us. So I always 414 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: kept that in mind. And that happened again, and I 415 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: don't know, and uh Christmas and christ Macuissel's uh draft, 416 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: and that opportunity came and it was a very unpopular 417 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: decision in the room that day. Yeah, yeah, it was 418 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: a very unpopular to ship. But I remember that and 419 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: we did, and so we ended up with the fifth 420 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: pick in the draft, and that became Jamal Lewis. So 421 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: learning from a mistake, not necessarily mistake, but learning for 422 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: something that had happened, being prepared for it, and then 423 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: being able to act on it the following the year. 424 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: I think that was probably I put that right at 425 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: the top. Is there any decision that still eats at you? Did? 426 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: You say? I wish I could have that one back. Uh, 427 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: there's probably several, but you know we put the work in. Uh. 428 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: I would say this. In the very first draft. Um, 429 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: we were in the second round and I made a trade. 430 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: I was trained up to get a tight end. But 431 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: I made the trade before the team that I was 432 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: training with had to pick, and the tight end got 433 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: picked to pick before I gotta never got a chance. 434 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: So you know that was something I go, you dummy, 435 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:51,959 Speaker 1: you know you know, don't make it, do you know? 436 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: So you the interchange always go now? Uh? In the draft, 437 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: I'll make the trade if my guy is on it 438 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 1: is still on the board. Work okay, And then when 439 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: other teams call me, they go, we'll make the trade 440 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: if our guy makes it, you know, to that pick. 441 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: But I made a trade and the guy wanted got picked. 442 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: I picked before, So I was we'll let you go 443 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 1: on this one. But now everybody, of course talks about 444 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: your Hall of Fame playing career, but they also now say, 445 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: you know, if he weren't a Hall of Fame player, 446 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: he would go into the Hall of Fame as a GM. 447 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: What does it mean to you to hear people say that? Well, 448 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: I'm humbled. Uh. But again, just as it was when 449 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: I got it inducted as a player, I went in, 450 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: but it was so many people that went in with me. 451 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: That was the reason why I was able to stand 452 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: there and give that that speech. And if that opportunity 453 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: ever happens again, it's going to be because all of 454 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: the people that I've worked with here in Baltimore, I'll 455 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: be standing there representing them. So that's the way I 456 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 1: would see it. You know, it wouldn't just be Ozzy Newsome. 457 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 1: It would be you know it, Carol and Bill testing 458 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: Door and Phil Savage and Shack and Scott Pioli and 459 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: I could just name people and Kevin Byrne, that Billy 460 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: Jankowski that that I've stood on their shoulders. So I'll 461 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: be there represent them more so than Ozzy Newsome going in, right, 462 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: I gotta ask one more how did you become this humble? 463 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: Was it your nine year old mother who made you this? 464 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: It's my mother, It is my mother. But Coach Bryant 465 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: up alone the way, you know, Uh, he was very 466 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: helpful in that that Uh, you know, he always had 467 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: a way of keeping you in check. So but you know, 468 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: it's you know, I would hope everybody would have some 469 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: humility in there. Well, thank you, Ozzy. We appreciate you 470 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: doing this interview. We're not humble about saying we got 471 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: this interview. Thank you for doing Okay, and thank you guys. 472 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: It was fun, cool, well, really awesome stuff from Ozzie. 473 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's neat. That's neat, just the emotion 474 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: that you can hear from him. Got a little clarity 475 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: on some things. Uh, just really good stuff from Azzi. Yeah, 476 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: I mean I think that was one of my favorite 477 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: interviews that we've ever done on Lounge personally. I mean, 478 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: we've we've had over hundred episodes, but numbers it's like 479 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: one eleven something like that, maybe higher. Yeah, you know, 480 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: we've we've done over hundred episodes and lots of interviews 481 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: within the midst of that, and and Ozzie is in 482 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,239 Speaker 1: terms of a resume. Um, you know, certainly is at 483 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: the top of the list in terms of the guests 484 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: that we've had. And I also think that the question 485 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: that you asked him at the end. In terms of humility, 486 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: he's at the top of the list too. Yeah, I mean, 487 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: let's be clear, the common man maybe number one. He's 488 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: a big guest too. We don't want to, you know, 489 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: we don't want to put him down, but maybe Ozzie 490 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: beats him. You know, one thing, when you're on the 491 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 1: treadmill from now, when you're gonna have a year out, seriously, seriously, 492 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 1: how about that? You know, it's always funny because whenever 493 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: he you know, I've been down there, and when he's 494 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: on the phone, you know somebody, you never know. He 495 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: could be talking to one of his kids about whatever, 496 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: you know, um, or he could be trading for Steve McNair. 497 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: You never know. Well, we kind of you know, being 498 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: employees and working in the building, sometimes you get caught 499 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: in this awkward position where like you see really important 500 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: people having really important conversations or what look to be 501 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: important conversations, and you know, like you're just trying to 502 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: get your coffee or you're trying to get a quick 503 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 1: workout in, and it's like this awkward thing because they 504 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: see us and like, you know, we're reporters and then 505 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: and so I'm just like trying to kind of look 506 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: down and kind of oh if I kind of give 507 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: a little space, you know, It's it's quite a dance. 508 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: When when he is on the phone on the treadmill, 509 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: I try to just go to another part of the 510 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: weight room because if if there were to be a leak, 511 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: you know, if something gets out, I don't want to 512 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: think and you know what, you know what Garrett was 513 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: next to me on the treadmill when I was making 514 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 1: that trade last night. I just try to steer clear. 515 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 1: I remember seeing Garrett put up seventy pounds on the bench. 516 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: Prest I'm gonna go find that squirrel a little yea. Anyway, 517 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: really good stuff from Ozzie and uh, you know, if 518 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: you if you listen to this, which I probably I 519 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: doubt that he's going to get back and listen to this. 520 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: But thank you, Azzi, thank you for doing really really appreciated. 521 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: But now to another important part of this podcast is 522 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: hearing from the fans in response to the travel draft 523 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: that we did last week. And that was probably the 524 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: best part of my weekend. This past weekend was just 525 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: watching these emails come flooding in, and I'm gonna just 526 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: jump right into it. Well just if you do recap 527 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: if you missed it, we did our travel draft. If 528 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: you're a loyal listener of the Lounge, you know that 529 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: we do these drafts, and as I always say, we 530 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: get more emails about these these drafts and anything else. 531 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: And so we're doing our travel draft. I initially said Pittsburgh, 532 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: and then I said no. Initially said Cincinnati, and then 533 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: I said, now let me change out to Pittsburgh before 534 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: you had made your pick. No, I screamed out Pittsburgh 535 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: before you said and so you know, and and then I, 536 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: obviously I took Pittsburgh as a result. Um, So that's 537 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 1: just the recap. And the question that makes post of 538 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: the listeners was was it a bush league move? Yeah, 539 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: and it's unanimous. They definitely think you are squirreling as hell. 540 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: So let me just let me just recap this. Okay. 541 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: One's Jake Vogel. Okay, he says, it's always fun listening 542 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: to Lounge. You guys argue like brothers, and it's pretty hilarious. 543 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go with Mink on this one 544 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: that Garrett pulled a bush league move switching his Bengals 545 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: pick the Steelers. After Ryan said how bad a pick 546 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: it was, because that was the other part. You heard 547 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: the feedback and you're like, wait a second, okay. Jake says, 548 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: I'll be a Nashville game, which is the best away 549 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: game this year. It's a great pick by Mink. Mink 550 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: wins this draft. Good luck on next one, Garrett. Next 551 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: one comes from Rick Henry, how many of you guys? 552 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: Subject line is total bush league move? Rake says, I'm 553 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: usually seeing Garrett, but this was so bush league. Next one, 554 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: Chris wells Mink to Pittsburgh. That's the subject line says, 555 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: just listen to the pod. That was definitely a shady 556 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: move by Garrett. Mink deserves the Steelers game. That would 557 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: be like the commission announcing a pick and Azzi calling 558 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: up his cell and saying, nah, man, I was just kidding. 559 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: Doesn't work that way. Down next one, Mark Fini, subject line, 560 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: Mink finally want to draft. Mark says it was close, 561 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: but I have to dock down and for trying to 562 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: change his pick. That was week Justin Goodman has a 563 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: long thing here. It's a good good stuff. Uh wait, 564 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: wait now I do have to actually read this one. 565 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: He said, I love the podcast, and you guys do 566 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: a great job give the best interviews. Blah blah blah, 567 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: but I have a huge problem with your drafts. The 568 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: Cereal and Pizza draft was hands down one by Mink, 569 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: having one guy score it off his opinion a k. 570 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: The common man doesn't show the real winner. You guys 571 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: should do a poll of more people to determine the 572 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: scoring system on each draft. I had a great suggestion, 573 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,239 Speaker 1: the tide is turning against you. Alright, So I got 574 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: two more, two more alright Kevin Evila subject line Mink 575 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: was robbed, and the last one from j Robeson, who 576 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: said I killed this draft and important in terms of 577 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: important games, Nashville is the number one pick Casey not 578 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: far behind San Diego's number three. So I got the 579 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: top three. What was l a last game? But yeah, 580 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: well but okay, so let me just go ahead and 581 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: set the records strate on this. First of all, the 582 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: one email that said that you won those other drafts 583 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: is totally bogus. That's the first one that's ever come 584 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: out that said you won the draft. So that's squashed 585 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: the second thing here, And I think this is incredibly important, 586 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: incredibly important for the listeners. You said you weren't gonna 587 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: go here I was. I want I need to tell this. 588 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: Before we did the podcast, we did the travel draft 589 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: make an Eye in our office space, we had the 590 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: travel Draft. We did it. We said, this is it. 591 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: We're gonna go ahead. We're gonna We're gonna go ahead 592 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: and do the travel Draft. And we did. And then 593 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: that night Make got buyers remorse about a handful of 594 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: different things. He got some buyers remorse, and so he 595 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: then said, no, we need to do it live on 596 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: the podcast. The draft was already done, and in that 597 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: draft I had taken Pittsburgh and so I basically here, 598 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: here's what I here's what I'll say. I did you 599 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: did you take this d I did? I kind of 600 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: had just a brain fart, you know, I'll admit it. 601 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: In the context, in the context of a true draft, 602 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: it was a bit of a shady move. I acknowledge it. 603 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: But when you need to take into account that the 604 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: reason we were having a discussion is because you you 605 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: pulled a shady move by saying the first draft was bunk, 606 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: which it wasn't. But I was kind enough. I was 607 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: kind enough to give you the opportunity for another draft, 608 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: and I did that, and so I basically I get 609 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: one freebe and that was my freeb So now that 610 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: everybody knows, now we're even. Now we're even. All right, fine, 611 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: The first one is I bamboozled you into getting it 612 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: was a scouting report on what your picks are gonna be. 613 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: I just tricked you, but it wasn't placed your feeble 614 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: little mind. Anyway, that's it for us to say. You 615 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: can email us and let us know what you guys think. 616 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: Email us at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net, 617 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: and we will be back with you next week. Our hope. 618 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: This isn't confirmed. It's it's like Joe Flacken when is 619 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: offseason throwing sessions with the wide receivers. We're gonna get 620 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,479 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, but we don't have a date set yet. 621 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: Well we kind of do. We're working on it. We're 622 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: working on yeah. So make sure you tune in next 623 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: week because we could have Lamar Jackson. We got a 624 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: big guests alright. See you next week,