1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,559 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 2: The intrigue surrounding the disappearance and murder of a beautiful 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 2: young girl, twenty two year old Gabby Petito seemingly goes 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 2: on in the last days. Gabby's mother claims her killer 5 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: slash fiance, Brian Laundry's room and the home he shared 6 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: with his parents was quote completely empty once he vanished. 7 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 2: What does that mean? Did Brian Laundry's parents know all 8 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 2: along what was happening. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. 9 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us. Gabby Patito's mother says 10 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: Brian Laundry's room was quote completely gutted and renovated almost 11 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 2: immediately once he disappeared. She says none of his things 12 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: were there anymore. Nicole Schmidt says all of his things 13 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: were gone that very same week Gabby was missing. She said, 14 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: police going to Laundry's home to try and get a 15 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 2: scent from dogs to look for Brian. All his things 16 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: were gone at that time and his room was completely empty, 17 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 2: completely cleaned out. Also, she says that the van that 18 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: belonged to Gabby, that Gabby alone had completely remodeled to 19 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 2: be a touring van, was also completely cleaned out that 20 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: even the mattress was never recovered. Nicole says Gabby's things 21 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 2: were packed away in a closet. Okay, is it just 22 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: strange behavior or does it prove something? 23 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: Okay? 24 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: How does this piece of the puzzle fit into Gabby's 25 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 2: disappearance and murder followed by killer fiancee, Brian Laundry, wandering 26 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: into the twenty five thousand acre Carlton Reserve and killing himself. Okay, 27 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 2: where did the whole thing start? 28 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: Gabrielle Gabby Potito's body was. 29 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 2: Found out in a dispersed camping area far far away 30 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: from home. 31 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 1: But where was her boyfriend? 32 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: The fiance that she traveled across the country with, vlogging 33 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 2: video blogging the whole way about the van life. If 34 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 2: you haven't looked at those vlogs, they're incredible, She's really talented. 35 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: Wow. 36 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: He comes home and her van with all of her 37 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 2: stuff using her credit cards, but no Gabby. Her family 38 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: has now sued the family of so called fiance, Brian Laundry, 39 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 2: saying they aided and abetted him while hiding the evidence 40 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: from Gabby's parents as they desperately tried to find their daughter. 41 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: I mean when I got pick up the twins at school. 42 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: When they start being five ten fifteen minutes late, I 43 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 2: get out of the car and I go looking for them. 44 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: Children have disappeared on school playgrounds, in school areas. Can 45 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 2: you imagine what Gabby Petito's parents went through? 46 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: As they called and they called, and they. 47 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 2: Texted and they emailed Laundry's parents, and then they find 48 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: out the worst Laundry's home. Gabby's van is part in 49 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: the driveway, but no Gabby. How do you think they 50 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:04,119 Speaker 2: felt when they find out the Laundryes take Brian Laundry 51 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 2: on a camping trip. They go camping, and they sit 52 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: around the campfire and have Somemores, but no Gabby. 53 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: Nobody said, hey, where's Gabby? 54 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 2: Can you imagine that feeling in their gut, in their 55 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 2: mind and their heart when her cell phone goes straight 56 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: to voicemail every single time and they know, but yet 57 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: they don't know. I don't even want to think about it, 58 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: you know. I used to tell that to Jury's all 59 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 2: the years I tried filling the cases. You can't turn away. 60 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 2: You cannot turn away from the truth. It's our beauty 61 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: to look at the truth and determine. 62 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: What is just. 63 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 2: Joining me in an all star panel to make sense 64 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 2: of what we know right now? But first I want 65 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 2: you to listen to our cut one from ABC seven. 66 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 3: Patito and her fiance left New York early July in 67 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 3: a van to travel the country. After several weeks of 68 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 3: visiting national parks, Brian returned to Florida in the van 69 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 3: without Gabby. When he refused to cooperate with authorities, suspicion 70 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 3: turned to him, and then he went missing. His remains 71 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 3: were found weeks later. 72 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: Think about it. 73 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 2: We believe Gabby was killed August twenty eight. Her body 74 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 2: was not found until September nineteen. Think about all that 75 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 2: time the family was left hanging blood in the wind, 76 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 2: wondering where is their beautiful girl? With me an all 77 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: star panel to make sense of what we know right now? 78 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: In first of all, California prosecutor, author of Red Flags, 79 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 2: Wendy Patrick. She's a star of Today with doctor Wendy 80 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 2: kcb Q and you can find her at wendypatrickphd dot com. 81 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 2: Renowned psychologists joining us out of Manhattan. Karen Stark, you 82 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 2: can find her at Karenstark dot com. That's Karen with 83 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 2: a C. Cheryl McCollum, founder and Director of the Cold 84 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: Case Research Institute, forensic specialist, and you can find her 85 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 2: at coldcasecrimes dot org. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author 86 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 2: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon as star of 87 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: a brand new another brand new hit series, This is 88 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 2: Bodybags with Joseph Scott Morgan on iHeart. But first to 89 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: senior correspondent Special Guests joining us, Laura Ingele, Laura, does 90 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 2: it never end with the Laundryes? 91 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 1: Does it never end? I mean, don't you think that 92 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:51,679 Speaker 1: at some point they would. 93 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 2: Have held out an olive branch for Pete's say and said, listen, 94 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 2: we're gonna fly to your place this weekend. 95 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: I know you hate us. 96 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 2: Right now, but let us tell you our side of 97 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 2: what happened, what we need, when we knew it, what 98 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 2: we thought we knew, what we didn't know to set 99 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: your heart at rest? 100 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: Can they not do that? And if not, why not, 101 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: Laura Ingles. 102 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 4: You know what it's been months later, Financy, they do 103 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 4: lay out the dates that it is believed that Honor. 104 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 4: About August twenty eighth, Brian Laundry advised his parents that 105 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 4: he had murdered Gabrielle Patito, and on that same date, 106 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 4: Chris Laundry and ROBERTA. Laundry spoke with their attorney, Steve 107 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 4: Bertolino and sent him a retainer. Just a few days later, 108 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 4: September second, think about your reminded of the dates, of 109 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 4: the timing, of the pacing of when the couple was 110 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 4: last seen out west, when Brian Laundry returned to Florida 111 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 4: and Gabby's van without her, and then that radio silence 112 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 4: that broke everyone's heart as everyone stood outside of the 113 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 4: Laundry's home saying, where is Gabby? Do you know something? 114 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 4: And we remember I was at the press conference for 115 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 4: Gabby Patito's parents when Rick Stafford came out and read 116 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 4: a statement saying, we beg you to tell us as 117 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 4: a parent, how did you let us go through this 118 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 4: pain and not help us? And you know, I think 119 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 4: that the other thing that we kind of surmised was 120 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 4: that these this family, if they knew, and it appears 121 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 4: that they did, rolled the dice and said we're not 122 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 4: going to say anything. Because I was in Wyoming when 123 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 4: Gabby was found. I went to that campground where her 124 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 4: body I remember that was and so it was. It 125 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 4: was beautiful and the trees had just turned. But it 126 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 4: turned really cold and icy and snowy very very soon after. 127 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 4: So you got to think, did everybody on the Laundry 128 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 4: side think that if they just stayed quiet long enough, 129 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 4: maybe she would not worry? 130 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, you just gave me an idea, Laura Angele. 131 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 2: First of all, talk to you is like drinking from 132 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 2: a fire hydrate. It's just so much information at once. 133 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: I could even write the notes fast enough. And I 134 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: know everybody on the panel has a ton of questions 135 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 2: for you too. But the idea you just gave me, 136 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 2: I want to know where we're getting the date August 137 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: twenty eighth, that that's the day we believe Ryan Laundry 138 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 2: told his parents I murdered Gabby and I can guarandamn 139 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: t you technical legal term. 140 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: That that's not what he said. He didn't say. I 141 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: beat her. 142 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 2: I bludgeoned her head, then I strangled her until she died. No, no, no, 143 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 2: he probably made up some bs about uh she said this. 144 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 1: And then she hit me and I hit her back, 145 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: and oh she fell and hit her head on a 146 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: rock and died. 147 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 2: It's going to be some total cocamanie crap like that. 148 00:09:55,800 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the mystery surrounding the murder 149 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 2: of a beautiful twenty two year old girl, Gabby Petito, 150 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 2: seemingly never ends. In the last days, we learned from 151 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: Gabby's mother that Brian Laundry, Gabby's killer fiance, completely gutted 152 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 2: his room seemingly immediately after he went missing. Why even 153 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: cleaning out Gabby's Ford transit the two had traveled in 154 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 2: and getting rid of the mattress. Why would Laundry's parents 155 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 2: do that? What evidence did it contain and what was 156 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 2: in the room that had to be destroyed? If the 157 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 2: Laundry's knew, if it could be proven the Laundry's you 158 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: need Gabby was dead and they let law enforcement and 159 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 2: all of the personnel involved, the US Marshals, the FBI, 160 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 2: the local law enforcement at Northport, the law enforcement at 161 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 2: the Granteetos, everybody searching how much did that cost? And 162 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 2: the whole time they knew she was dead and they 163 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: need where could they be prosecuted? 164 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 5: Yes? 165 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 1: No, in a nutshell Wndy Patrick. 166 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 6: I think yes, if they knew something at a time 167 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 6: when they could have prevented further harm when they could 168 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 6: have prevented further expense, when they could have spared law 169 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 6: enforcement at the time and resources. Think about the resources 170 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 6: that were expended looking for Gabby if they knew she 171 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 6: was dead. 172 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 7: Now, on the other. 173 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 6: Side of that, you can argue, well, what exactly did 174 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 6: they know? And I think you cube that up nicely. 175 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 6: What did Brian actually say text messages. 176 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 4: Back and forth? 177 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 6: And that's going to be an important piece of evidence. 178 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 6: You're right about that, what if anything they could face criminally? 179 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: Okay, Cheryl McCallum, I here, you're trying to jump in guys. 180 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 5: Oh my gosh. The thing that just drives me insane. 181 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 5: The additional element of waiting the thirteen days, right, and 182 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 5: then the additional eight days before she's actually found, Nancy, 183 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 5: the amount of evidence that could have been lost may 184 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 5: have been lost. She's out in the elements. There's going 185 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 5: to be animal activity, There's going to be weather. 186 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 2: Why do you say animal activity? You and Joe Scott 187 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 2: more than both do that. Wait a minute, let's just 188 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 2: say what it really is. 189 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: Okay, and it tastes like dirt, but animal activity, all right? 190 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: That rids me on a hike. 191 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 2: I just took the twins on and we were bird 192 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 2: spotting and looking for animals. What you're talking about is 193 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 2: Gabby's body lying out in the elements, the tetons and 194 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 2: animals ripping her body apart and chewing on her and 195 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: gnawing on her. That's what we're talking about. That is 196 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 2: what the Gabby Patito family has to live with twenty 197 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 2: four to seven. 198 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: Every day of the year. 199 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 2: I mean, that's what we're talking about, all right, So 200 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 2: let's just say what it is. 201 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum. 202 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 5: You're absolutely right, and there is nothing more repugnant and 203 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 5: vile in opinion of hell. 204 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Correct. 205 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 2: The Gate agreed for letting her family live through that, 206 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 2: and now they got to live the rest of their lives. 207 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: They got to know that's what happened to their girl. 208 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: That's right. 209 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 5: As for she was brutally murdered by the very person 210 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 5: that was supposed to be taken care of her and 211 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 5: the most again repugnant and vile and straight devil when ROBERTA. 212 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 5: Laundry blocked Gabby's mama's phone number and then blocked our 213 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 5: own social media. 214 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: Ooh, I forgot about that. 215 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: Laura Engel, that the Laundry's actually blocked Gabby's family from 216 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 2: trying to contact them. 217 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: Is that true? It is? 218 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 4: It is true. 219 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 2: It is. 220 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 4: That is what we have read about in reports. We've 221 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 4: talked to them, and it goes back to that desperation 222 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 4: of that time frame that we're talking about, of begging them, 223 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 4: and to think of that and go back in your 224 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 4: mind of the news coverage, the bike riding, the mowing 225 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 4: of the lawn, taking trips to the store, the camping trip, 226 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 4: all of that. It is believed that he confessed to 227 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 4: his parents, and you're right, Nancy, like, we don't know 228 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 4: exactly what was said. We don't know if he detailed 229 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 4: it a mom and dad, it was an accident. I 230 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 4: don't know what to do. I'm scared them coming home. 231 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 4: We don't know what was said. But if we do 232 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 4: learn exactly the exact times of when Brian was talking 233 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 4: to his parents, the attorney for the Laundry says, look, 234 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 4: I never talked to Brian Lawny. I never spoke to him. 235 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 4: But what if Ryan Laundry was talking to his dad 236 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 4: and Bertolino was talking to the mom. And let's just 237 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 4: say for argument's sake, that everybody was on speakerphone. 238 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 8: You know what I mean. 239 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 4: So there's going to be more information that will be 240 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 4: coming for I think there's something hard, Laura Ingle. 241 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: I think there's something hard. 242 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 2: If the documents say on twenty eight they've got hard 243 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 2: evidence of that? 244 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: Is it? 245 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 2: Our tep is a text, is an email? And hey 246 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 2: happen again, Laura Ingle? Drink from the fire hydrant. Karen starting, 247 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 2: did you hear Laura Ingle? And this is a hypothetical. 248 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 2: We're talking about what he told his parents, and I said, 249 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: I can guarantee you he didn't say, hey, I murdered 250 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 2: Gabby and left her body out there to be torn 251 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 2: apart by animals. He probably says some bs story about 252 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 2: she hit me, then I pushed her, she hit her 253 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: head on a rock or a treat, she died just 254 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 2: like that. Of course that's a lie. But wait a minute, 255 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 2: Laura Ingle says, Well, what if he says something like, Mom, Dad, 256 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 2: I'm upset Gabby died. I'm so upset, I don't know 257 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 2: what to do. He's not so upset. He didn't stuff 258 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 2: his pie hole the way whole way home, thousands of 259 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: miles on Gabby's credit card. You think he felt bad 260 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 2: when he drove through Burger King and had it his way? 261 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:18,239 Speaker 1: Or is that McDonald's. 262 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's burger King. What about that he wasn't so 263 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 2: upset he couldn't eat. He left a trail a mile 264 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 2: wide on her credit card and her debit. 265 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 4: Card, Nancy. He also on August thirtieth, remember he sent 266 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 4: a text message from Gabby's culpho to the Gabby's mall 267 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 4: and saying no service in Yosemite, in an effort to 268 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 4: make her mother believe that she was still alive. 269 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: You're so right, Laura ingl He's not upset. He's upset 270 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: like a snake after. 271 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 9: Him biting got the grandfather. 272 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: Go ahead, Karen, start champion. 273 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 9: He didn't just he sent text pretending that he was her. 274 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 9: I'm so upset that he was able to go home 275 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 9: and be with mommy and daddy and Nancy. When you 276 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 9: think about this, when you think about how hard it 277 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 9: is to lose a child, good parents, it's something that 278 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 9: you never get over. It's not the way it's supposed 279 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 9: to be. And then on top of that, it's hard 280 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 9: enough to imagine your child dead, let alone being eaten 281 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:27,719 Speaker 9: by animals, being abandoned, and there is no doubt in 282 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 9: my mind that he said she provoked him. 283 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt in my mind at all, no doubt. 284 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 2: Take a listen to our cut three our friends from 285 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 2: Fox thirteen. 286 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 10: Parents of the young woman who lives such a colorful 287 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 10: life are trying to avenge her death by putting in 288 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 10: black and white the horrible details of what they went through. 289 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 10: In arguing that the laundries quote knew they could alleviate, 290 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 10: at least in part, such mental suffering and anguish. The 291 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 10: Potito said they believe that on August twenty eighth, Laundry, 292 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 10: while still in Wyoming, advised his parents he had murdered Gabby. 293 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 10: For several weeks, the laundry Is not only refused to 294 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 10: talk to the Potitos, they put out statements saying they 295 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 10: hope she could be found alive. The Laundries were accused 296 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 10: for weeks by protesters of not being forthcoming. 297 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 2: Joscott Morgan, professor forensics Jacksonville State University and star of 298 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 2: Bodybags as Joseph Scott Morgan jump in, Joe Scott, Hey. 299 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 8: You know, Nancy. One of the things that comes to me, 300 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 8: I'm kind of listening back toward Laundry's remains. 301 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: Well listening, back listing. 302 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 8: Go ahead, yeah, sorry, yeah, So going back to Brian laundry. 303 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 8: You know, one of the things I'm thinking about is 304 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 8: there's so much deception. I think that goes along with 305 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 8: where his you know, his his location throughout this whole thing. 306 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 8: The car. You remember, we reflect back to how did 307 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 8: he wind up out there? Where did he go? Your 308 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 8: remember how much time we spent speculating about where he 309 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 8: may have gone. And you know. 310 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 2: I'm speculating, Josica Morgan, I call it analyzing the events 311 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 2: that we knew. 312 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, well people. 313 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 8: Were saying Mexico, all these other things, and there is 314 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 8: a there's a thread that runs through this of deception, 315 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 8: and it's not surprising relative to you know, when we 316 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 8: look at what happened to Gabby and his his murder 317 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 8: of her, and then moving forward, what happened to him 318 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 8: coming back to his parents, I'm thinking, you know, what 319 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 8: is it that they haven't told us about him and 320 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 8: his activities? You know, when I looked over the and 321 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 8: the report that we got back was absolutely voluminous. I 322 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 8: mean it just goes on and on and on relative 323 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 8: to his body. I don't know that in my memory, 324 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 8: I've seen one quite this inclusive of everything. You know, 325 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 8: they report that he was like scene on the thirteenth. 326 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 8: They didn't fill out this missing person's report until like 327 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 8: the seventeenth of September, and he was so far gone 328 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 8: by the time the authorities got out there they could 329 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 8: not actually pin down. This is the forensic anthropologist could 330 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 8: not actually pin down a specific time of death. 331 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: Positive they did. 332 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 8: And they were able to recover that. But Nancy, to 333 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 8: give you an idea, the best she could do in 334 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 8: one of her calculations was, now get this anywhere from 335 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 8: forty seven days to six hundred and seventy two days 336 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 8: as an estimation of post mortem intervals. That's how far 337 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 8: gone he was. And I still have a major question 338 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 8: again about this gunshot wound. He sustained. He is right 339 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 8: hand dominant. This is a left handed entrance wound that 340 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 8: we have that has been validated by not just the 341 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 8: forensic anthropologists but also the forensic pathologist. And where in 342 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 8: the hell did this revolver come from? Who did it 343 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 8: belong to? What's you know, what's the genesis of it? 344 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 8: And I don't think that that's been thoroughly addressed as well. 345 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:06,959 Speaker 2: Well. 346 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely correct. What about it? 347 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 2: CHERRYL. 348 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: McCullum, I agree with one hundred percent. 349 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 5: And I have the same feeling about this notebook and 350 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 5: his alleged confession. I don't think it's a confession when they. 351 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 2: Craft words and unicorns and yeah. 352 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 5: There are drawings, and. 353 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: That's that's very different. 354 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 5: Like as a parent, if your child is riding the 355 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 5: bike and fall, you might feel responsible that they got 356 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 5: hurt because you couldn't protect him in that moment, but 357 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 5: you didn't cause it. You're not going to confess that 358 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 5: you're the reason they've got to skinned up me. 359 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: What does that have to do with this? 360 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 5: Because you can take responsibility, but that's not a confession. 361 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 5: If Jackie cusses out a guest, you may apologize and 362 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 5: take responsibility for it, but you're not confessing that you 363 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 5: cussed anybody out. That was Jackie, that word bothers me. 364 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 5: I have seen no confession. 365 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: I agree. 366 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 2: Did you say to Laura Ingele special guest joining us 367 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 2: Christopher and ROBERTA Laundry's behavior explain. 368 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 4: You know, they say, and to go back a page 369 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 4: and this is the number thirty one that's cricis. It's 370 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 4: utterly horrible but let me let me see this up. 371 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 4: Because they write, on September fourteenth, with full knowledge that 372 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 4: Gabrielle Potito had been murdered by their son, the Laundry 373 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 4: lawyer put out a statement saying, it is our understanding 374 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 4: that a search has been organized for miss Potito in 375 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 4: or near Grand Teton National Park in Wyoming, on behalf 376 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 4: of the Laundry family. It is our hope that the 377 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 4: search for miss Potito is successful and that Miss Potito 378 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,959 Speaker 4: is reunited with her family. That's September fourteenth. And as 379 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,959 Speaker 4: you go down to fast forwarding to knowing what happened, 380 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 4: they write in the lawsuit, Christopher Laundry and ROBERTA. Laundry 381 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 4: exhibited extreme and outrageous conduct, which constitutes behavior under the 382 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 4: circumstance answers, which goes beyond all possible bounds of decency 383 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 4: and is regarded as shocking, atrocious, and utterly intolerable in 384 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 4: a civilized community. Who could blame them? 385 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: Well, who could blame them? 386 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you think about the timeline, and 387 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 4: you know, if all of this is true, and if 388 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 4: they knew those details, and then they put out a statement, sure, 389 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 4: we hope that she sound and they knew where she was. 390 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 4: It just makes her stomach turn. 391 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 5: But Nancy Wee can prove they knew it. On September tenth, 392 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 5: when her daddy went to their house and knocked on 393 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 5: the door and they wouldn't even come to the door. 394 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 5: He had to put out in front of God and 395 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 5: country on social media, I'm going to the police if 396 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 5: you don't tell me something. So then he goes to 397 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 5: the police on September the eleventh. They knew it, they 398 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 5: knew it, and they acted. 399 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 2: I think I might be able to one of you. 400 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Okay, put this in your pipe of 401 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 2: smoke at Cheryl McCallum. 402 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: You ready. 403 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 2: On that day, August twenty eight, that's today Christopher and 404 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 2: roberta laundry speak with attorney Steve Bertolino. Suddenly that's the 405 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 2: day they go, whoa, whoa, what we need a criminal lawyer. 406 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 2: And then they follow up about two days later with 407 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 2: the retainer. 408 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 5: That's right now. 409 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 2: As I always say, there is no coincidence in criminal laws. 410 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 2: So Wendy Patrick, what about it? California prosecutors, that's the 411 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: day they decide they need a high power criminal defense 412 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 2: attorney who ps great criminal defense attorneys are usually not 413 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 2: seen or heard outside the courtroom. 414 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: They don't want to be. 415 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 2: Stars in their own ride on TV or this or that. 416 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 2: Have you ever noticed that, Wendy Patrick. 417 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 7: That's true, And it's also true that in this case, 418 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 7: the fact that they spoke on August twenty eighth is 419 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 7: going to be so important for the timeline because guess 420 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 7: what days later? On August thirtieth is when Laundry apparently 421 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 7: sent an additional text for Potito's phone to Schmid saying 422 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 7: there was no service in Yourssementy Park in an efforts 423 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 7: leaving her to believe Gabby was still alive. So that's 424 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 7: after the twenty eighth when the lawyer is hired. That's 425 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 7: a huge point. 426 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 2: According to Gabby Potito's mother, Brian Laundry, Gabby's killer fiance, 427 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 2: his room was completely emptied, gutted, renovated almost immediately after 428 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 2: Brian quote disappeared. Remember, Gabby went missing on a cross 429 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 2: country road trip with fiance Brian Laundry. Her body later 430 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:50,479 Speaker 2: found in the Grand Teta National Park. Laundry accused of 431 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 2: her murder. Many believe it could have all been avoided 432 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 2: when cops stopped the two based on domestic abuse claims, 433 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 2: but they ended up blaming Gabby, naming her the attacker, 434 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 2: and letting Laundry walk free. Shortly after that, he murdered her. 435 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 2: But why would Laundry's mother get rid of his entire rooms, 436 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 2: belongings and even clean out Gabby's van getting rid of 437 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 2: the mattress. She Nicole Schmidt, Gabby's mom, says, quote that 438 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 2: very same week Gabby was missing, cops were going to 439 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 2: Laundry's house to try to get a scent from their 440 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 2: dogs to look for Brian. All his things were gone. 441 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 2: The room was completely empty. She also says the van 442 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 2: that Gabby had used to drive across the country had 443 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 2: been quote completely cleaned out. The mattress was never recovered. 444 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 2: Gabby's stuff was packed away in a closet. Schmidt admit 445 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 2: she was extremely frostrated with Laundry's parents and they're saving 446 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 2: lack of cooperation when she was trying to find her daughter. 447 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 2: Think about it, Laura Ingle, think about it. So he 448 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 2: gets home, they know Gabby's dead and they go for 449 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 2: a camp out. The family goes on a little trip 450 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 2: and camps out. They sit around the campfire, they grow out, 451 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 2: They eat other people at the campground remembers De Soto Campgrounds. 452 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 4: See them now what I was I was talking about 453 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 4: this this morning about the you know about Brian being 454 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 4: seen walking walking around. We know that the sister was there. 455 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 4: Now did they go camping to try and kind of 456 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 4: come together as the family and say what are we 457 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 4: going to do? But it doesn't look like it. From 458 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 4: the pictures and from the stories that we've heard from 459 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 4: people who saw them there, it looked like they were 460 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 4: genuinely can't tell. 461 00:27:55,240 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 2: You, Laura camp And I bring this up only when projecting, 462 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 2: But Laura, I remember when my fiance was murdered. I 463 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 2: couldn't eat, I couldn't sleep. I lost down to eighty 464 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 2: nine pounds. The smell of food made me sick just 465 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 2: to smell it. I remember the first thing I finally 466 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 2: ate or consumed was a glass of orange juice. It 467 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 2: was the first thing that did not make me literally 468 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 2: nauseous after Keith's murder. So, how in the h E 469 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 2: double l is this family knowing that Gabby is dead 470 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 2: and being torn apart by animals out in the rain, 471 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 2: lying there on the dirt, How can they go to 472 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 2: a campout? How could they do that? 473 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 4: There's no explanation. There's none. None of us on this panel, 474 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 4: nobody listening could even imagine doing what they did right 475 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 4: if they knew, and it looks like they did, how 476 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 4: could you. You're absolutely right in January when they said, 477 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 4: you know, we're bringing the family together, We're sharing all 478 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 4: the information with them that we possibly can give them 479 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 4: right now. And everybody's like, Okay, the case is closed. 480 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 4: Lest Attorney's office, Granteeton Attorney's office closed their case because 481 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,479 Speaker 4: the debit card that was brodd, he dead. They've got 482 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 4: to close the case. 483 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 2: The deception in the hiding, add to that the layer 484 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 2: of the parents going straight out to the body. They 485 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 2: hadn't been out in uh that area, Carlton Reserve forty 486 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 2: five minutes. 487 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: You remember that, Cheryl McCollum, and. 488 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 2: They remember eight to the body, and then Kyle comes 489 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 2: up and shows them I think it was the dry 490 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 2: pack or something found near Brian Laundry's body, and they're 491 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 2: like mm hmm, they're right, and no emotion. I can 492 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 2: remember again projecting. I remember testifying in court at Keith's 493 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 2: murder trial, and I remember coming down off the witness stand. 494 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 2: It was tall equal my head was equal to the 495 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 2: judge's head. And you go down some steps and then 496 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 2: turn and go down some more steps. 497 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: And I was. 498 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 2: Walking out and I walked by council table and looked 499 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 2: over and saw Keith's bloody denim shirt for the first 500 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 2: time since I saw him drive away that morning before 501 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 2: he was killed. Think about it, when the cops showed 502 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 2: the laundry, those the laundries, those items, saw video, they. 503 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: Just stood there. There was really no reaction at all. 504 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: Mama was holding the bag. 505 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 5: Mama had the dry bag in her hands standing there 506 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 5: on that pathway. And again that's the bag that held 507 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 5: this notebook that allegedly has this confession in it. 508 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 2: I've said all along the suggestion that they planted evidence 509 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 2: was far fetched. 510 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: But now I know. 511 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 2: The level of deception that has been alleged by the 512 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 2: Petito family against them. 513 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: What are they capable of concealing? Cheryl McCollum, Nancy. 514 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 5: They allowed their son to use a dead girl's debit 515 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 5: card to get his sorry ass home to help formulating 516 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 5: some plan of how to save his behind from what 517 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 5: he had done. And I've said from the beginning on 518 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 5: your show, they knew it. They knew it all along. 519 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 5: I've said even the sister knew it. There is no 520 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 5: way that she went to that camp site for the 521 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 5: day and didn't ask how's Gabby, where's Gabby? What's going 522 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 5: on with Gabby? Everybody had to have known. This is 523 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 5: odd for him to have come home the second time. 524 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 5: Remember he flew home before on August seventeenth, So now 525 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 5: he's back again. That's weird. You're on the trip of 526 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 5: a lifetime and you won't quit coming home to your mama. 527 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 5: That's weird. So there's no way she knew it, didn't 528 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 5: know it. There's no way she didn't have them calling 529 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 5: her phone too, because her mama said they tried to 530 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 5: get her. Then, there ain't no way she missed it. 531 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 5: On social media and the local news. 532 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 2: You know that whole story, Laura Ingele about him coming home. 533 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: It's not a story. 534 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 2: He did fly home in the middle of the trip 535 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 2: and leave Gabby alone. And I've always the moment I 536 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 2: heard that, I went, WHOA wait, wait what? And I 537 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 2: believe I was speaking to one of Gabby's family members. 538 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 2: I said, is that true? And they would not confirm 539 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 2: it or deny it. And their answer is they were 540 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 2: told by police not to discuss it, which means it's 541 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 2: true or something like it is true. 542 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 4: I think he went home to he went home to 543 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 4: he flew home. And what's so weird about it is 544 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 4: that they were tied on not tied on money, but 545 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 4: they were watching their pennies. They were really conscious of 546 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 4: their money and so but they took the time. He 547 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 4: took the time to fly home to clear out a 548 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 4: storage unit. That was the story that he was going 549 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 4: to clear out a storage unit and then returned back 550 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 4: and that. 551 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: Was to Utah. I believe. 552 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 4: Versus Lake City. 553 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 554 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 2: Beautiful, Young Gabby Potato's mother claims there was something quote 555 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 2: wrong with Brian Laundry's family when police searched his empty 556 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 2: room after her murder, claiming the room of being gutted 557 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 2: and something was quote wrong with his mom after he vanished. 558 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 2: As they continue to search for their missing girl, Gabby's mom, 559 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 2: Nicole recounts eerie circumstances leading up to the discovery of 560 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 2: Gabby's body, including the moment cop searched Laundry's home finding nothing. 561 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: In his room. 562 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 2: She Nicole says that she continues to find out new 563 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 2: information even now. Take a listen to our cut for 564 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 2: our friends at Fox thirteen. 565 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 10: Police in Northport said they'd not gotten cooperation as to 566 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 10: whether they knew anything about where Gabby was, but the 567 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 10: Laundries did tell police Brian had not returned from the 568 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 10: reserve where he was eventually found dead. 569 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 1: But the new lawsuit alleges. 570 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 10: The Laundries had been making arrangements for Brian to leave 571 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 10: the country. Their family attorney denied the allegations, saying the 572 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 10: lawsuit does not change the fact that the Laundries had 573 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 10: no obligation to speak to law enforcement or any third party, 574 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 10: including the Potito family. This fundamental legal principle renders the 575 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 10: Potito's claim to be baseless under the law, do we. 576 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 11: Have a legal system where people are punished civilly for 577 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 11: knaku operating with criminal investigations. 578 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 10: The lawsuit does not say how the Potitos learned of 579 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 10: the facts they allege, but they did have several meetings 580 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 10: with investigators, including at the Tampa FBI office after the 581 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 10: investigation it was closed. The Potito family attorney said there 582 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 10: were multiple conversations between Brian, his parents, and their lawyer 583 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 10: before he left Wyoming August thirtieth. 584 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 2: So Joe Scott Morgan if we weren't half wrong, right, 585 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 2: because they were trying to get him out of the 586 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 2: country exactly what we had thought was going on. 587 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, push, push, push, you know, I had all kinds 588 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 8: of ideas, you know, back then, thinking about how could 589 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 8: they facilitate Remember when they were at that camping area. 590 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,479 Speaker 8: You know, I think a couple of us had thought 591 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 8: that maybe by water, you know, how are you going 592 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 8: to get him out of the reach of the US authorities, 593 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 8: to get him spirited off somewhere. We were thinking about, 594 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 8: you know, him leaving with gobs of cash so that 595 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 8: he could fall off of the radar relative to using 596 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 8: any kind of credit cards, which of course he had 597 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 8: stolen Gabby's and utilized it, and just you know, go 598 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 8: abroad with US currency and try to make that happen. 599 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 8: But how do you make that happen? I think that 600 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 8: that's one of the big problems here when you have 601 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 8: somebody that is not sophisticated in a way that the 602 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,240 Speaker 8: criminals work. You know, they don't know, you know, how 603 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 8: were we going to get him away from all of this trouble? 604 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 8: And at the end of the day, and at the 605 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 8: end of the day, they knew where his body was. 606 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 8: I'm very curious as to what that final conversation was 607 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 8: like with him, you know, did he actually did he 608 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,399 Speaker 8: actually tell them? You know, Mom, Dad, I think I'm 609 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 8: just going to go out here and end it, and 610 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 8: I'm going to tell you specifically where it was. Think 611 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,800 Speaker 8: about what Max said and what you said within forty 612 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 8: five minutes, Nancy, in this vast area and it is vast. Yeah, 613 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,360 Speaker 8: and where, by the way, let me remind everybody forgotten 614 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 8: about this group of people. They've put all of the 615 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 8: searchers at risk out here, alligator snakes, dehydration for days, 616 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,439 Speaker 8: for days, and they put these people out there at risk, 617 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 8: and they walk right to the body and all of 618 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 8: this evidence, and Nancy, I got to say one more thing, 619 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 8: the most striking piece of evidence to me, and it's 620 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,720 Speaker 8: just the old debt investigator in me. Out of everything, 621 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 8: you know, we had skeletal remains, we had this weapon 622 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 8: that we had talked about. But one of the things 623 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 8: that just made me want to bite the head off 624 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 8: a tenpenny nail is that out there at that scene 625 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 8: they found adjacent to his body, red ball cap. You 626 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,240 Speaker 8: know what that red ball cap said. It said Moab Roasters. 627 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 8: I wonder where he bought that. Out of all the 628 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 8: hats he could have chosen, that's the one that he 629 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 8: picked up as he was walking out that door for 630 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 8: the final time. And he went out there and he 631 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 8: took that hat, and I think that hat left out 632 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 8: there was a great, big old screw you to everybody. 633 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:01,879 Speaker 8: That's what I was thinking. 634 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 2: That's where he was caught beating Gabby out on the 635 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 2: street as we all know, you know to Laura Ingele, 636 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 2: senior correspondent Fox and he he's joining us, Laura. I 637 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 2: believe that in point number fourteen, paragraph number fourteen, the 638 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:24,280 Speaker 2: date it is pinpointed of the murder being August twenty seventh. 639 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 2: I wonder if that's because that's the last day that 640 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 2: her mother and Nicole Schmidt spoke with her. 641 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: What do you think? 642 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 4: I do believe it's that, And it also coincides with 643 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 4: their sightings. And remember the Moab incident happens that's been 644 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 4: so widely watched with the police body cam footage. But 645 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 4: then they make their way and then Jackson I went 646 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 4: to this place. It's the Mary Piglets and it's a 647 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,839 Speaker 4: restaurant that it was a last known public sighting, and 648 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 4: we don't know what happened, and we've been trying to 649 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 4: get our hands on any security footage of this restaurant. 650 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 4: But there was some kind of a fight, some kind 651 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:04,839 Speaker 4: of an altercation between Brian and Gabby, an argument they 652 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 4: were lasting, and so I and I stood there. So 653 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 4: you're standing at the restaurant and you look down the 654 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,360 Speaker 4: long road, and down that long road is where the 655 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 4: campground was. So they were at this restaurant, they have 656 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,839 Speaker 4: an argument, they get in the carts to the van, 657 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 4: they go down to the campground, they turn in, they 658 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 4: set up camp. Then you know, the other bloggers bought 659 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 4: the van, which helped us locate where they were. But 660 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 4: it's that last those are the last moments. There was 661 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,320 Speaker 4: something going on on that date on August twenty seventh, 662 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 4: during the day and then it was later that night 663 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 4: that that's when they believe. And there's forensics involved here 664 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 4: too in terms of her body, where she was found, 665 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 4: how she was found, that it all ties together that 666 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,879 Speaker 4: August twenty seventh is the date that she died. 667 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 1: I want you to listen to our cut eleven. 668 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,399 Speaker 2: This is jbb know WFLA News Channel eight. 669 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 1: Listen to this point number twenty five. 670 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 11: On September fourteen, twenty twenty one, with full knowledge that 671 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 11: Gabrielle Potito had been murdered by their son, Christopher Laundry, 672 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 11: and ROBERTA. Laundry, through their lawyer, issued the following statement, 673 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,839 Speaker 11: quote unquote, it is our understanding that a search has 674 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 11: been organized for miss Potito in or near Grand Titan 675 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 11: National Park in Wyoming, on behalf of the Laundry family. 676 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 11: It is our hope that the search for miss Potito 677 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 11: is successful and that Miss Potito is reunited with her family. 678 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 11: Point number twenty nine and point number thirty. 679 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 2: As Laura Ingele told us, full knowing their son had 680 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 2: murdered Gabby, they give a public statement. 681 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 1: Wow. 682 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 2: I hope they find her. The search for Gabby is 683 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:48,320 Speaker 2: something I will never forget. We wait as this case 684 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 2: continues to unfold. Goodbye friend,