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Speaker 1: What's up, y'all.

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Speaker 2: Danny Green. As always, we got a dope show in

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Speaker 1: Let's get right into it.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy buckets guys towards ACL out for the season. He

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Speaker 2: was having an incredible game against Miami. He dropped like

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Speaker 2: seventeen in his first twenty minutes twenty four. Yeah, screwgy

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Speaker 2: a prospect, not mine or peace. But we'll get into

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Speaker 2: that later.

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Speaker 3: First and foremost, man prayers up for Jimmy Man. We

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Speaker 3: hoped to cover speedy and helped like well man, So

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Speaker 3: that's tough.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's so.

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Speaker 2: He's obviously gonna miss the rest of the season, probably

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Speaker 2: a good chunk of next season as well.

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Speaker 3: It's not true.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah, talk to us about that. You've had

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Speaker 2: very speedy ACL recoveries.

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Speaker 3: What do you think His contract situation is a lot

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Speaker 3: different from mine at the time? Okay, so mine was

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Speaker 3: a not I signed a one in one. It was

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Speaker 3: like they wouldn't do a team option or player option

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Speaker 3: because it would give me veto rights and trade, so

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Speaker 3: they didn't really option. I sayd y'all can make a

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Speaker 3: team option. It's like no, So just made it a

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Speaker 3: one and one non guaranteed. So when I told my

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Speaker 3: I wasn't sure I get picked up, got you and

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Speaker 3: then if I did get picked up, which I did,

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Speaker 3: I got traded to Memphis. They picked it up for

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Speaker 3: the first half and I had to make it to

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Speaker 3: January for the rest of it to be guaranteed. But

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Speaker 3: for me, it's like I had to rush back. But

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Speaker 3: in order for me to show people that I'm still

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Speaker 3: capable you when free agency was coming up that next

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Speaker 3: this summer, I had to be able to try to play.

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Speaker 3: So I was trying to get back as soon as possible.

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Speaker 3: And I had a double ligament, so it was a

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Speaker 3: cl n l EL. I got back in eight months.

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Speaker 3: Joingles the fastest to do it with the ACL He

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Speaker 3: did seven months. So you do seven months from now?

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Speaker 3: Is that of Jimmy? Even eight months from now? It's

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Speaker 3: the first month to do eight September October. By October

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Speaker 3: that'll give him like eight or nine months. He could

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Speaker 3: be back the start of the sea, could be back

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Speaker 3: if he actually attacked his rehab the way he like,

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Speaker 3: if he wasn't over like he's guaranteed money if he

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Speaker 3: can take his time, of course, but if he really

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Speaker 3: wanted to get back by the start.

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Speaker 2: See you you're saying he could be back within the

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Speaker 2: calendar year at the very least.

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Speaker 3: Oh for sure, I mean absolutely, he should be back

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Speaker 3: no later than Christmas. Like Christmas is a comfortable time

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Speaker 3: ten to eleven months for like what I'm saying, Like,

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Speaker 3: so he'll be that's eleven months for him doing because

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Speaker 3: it's January, right, Christmas is like eleven months, So he

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Speaker 3: could be back very comforted by eleven months. I don't

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Speaker 3: see why if Jimmy does what he's supposed to do,

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Speaker 3: be back at least eight or nine months, which is

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Speaker 4: Okay, So like, how oh were you?

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Speaker 3: I was thirty five, he's thirty six, So yeah, I

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Speaker 3: so yeah, I had no major injuries until that point. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, to shout out to my pets man, Sean Johnson,

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Speaker 3: But I was in that every day. You gotta start

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Speaker 3: with trying to learn how to walk again, you know

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Learn how to to jog and then

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Speaker 3: use the bathroom, help to take showers, you like. So

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Speaker 3: it's just it's a it's a it's an everyday mental

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I want to know because I've never

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Speaker 5: had no major injury. So Danny, can you talk about,

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Speaker 5: like what's the mental hurdles you had?

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Speaker 4: Being that you was older too?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, bro, because you you probably started thinking like, damn.

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Speaker 4: Is it worth it? It's retirement, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: So like at thirty five, I was like, shit, is

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Speaker 3: I had a good little to the It was actually

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Speaker 3: playing against Jimmy in Miami Philly Miami series. We was

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Speaker 3: getting smoked in Miami and Philly. We was playing pretty well.

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Speaker 3: I was like, damn, Mic opped out getting another new deal,

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Speaker 3: like another two year deal something like that. Could have

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Speaker 3: was like, you know, people are gonna start looking at me,

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Speaker 3: gonna take a year. I was already just like, damn,

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Speaker 3: then I started doing research and talking to the people

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Speaker 3: like yo, if you do this right away, you can

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Speaker 3: get back sooner. So like it started giving me more

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Speaker 3: hope and positivity. But it was a daily grind, bro.

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Speaker 3: It was a daily grind mentally anyway, like getting up

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Speaker 3: day eight nine hours, Like I'll be in there seven

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I wouldn't get home to like three or four,

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Speaker 3: so like four hours. Yeah, so like that's a good

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Speaker 3: at least five to six. I would say the minimum

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't get home to like sometimes three four in

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Speaker 2: So, Paul, what do you think this does for Golden Steak,

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Speaker 2: Because to me, the guy was obviously the second best

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Speaker 2: player on the team just playing really well. He provided,

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Speaker 2: like outside of Steph, somebody you could give the ball

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Speaker 2: to and bend the defense, like the defense would have

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Speaker 2: to send help depending on who's guarding Jimmy. He's kind

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Speaker 2: of the only guy that seemed like a legitimate threat.

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Speaker 3: He changed their dynamic because he was a guy that

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Speaker 3: got to the free throw line from yes, you know

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like they did a lot of perimeter stuff.

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Speaker 3: He was more balanced of mid range and to the

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Speaker 3: like Draymond is a good quarterback, he is a more

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Speaker 3: of a threat offensively. Not saying that Draymond, who's been

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Speaker 3: didn't guard Draymond like a scorer.

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Speaker 1: You have to go, Jimmy, you gotta take you serious.

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Speaker 3: You gotta stet his you know, his scoring ability.

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Speaker 5: I think you know, when I look at the Warriors

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Speaker 5: before this injury, they you know, they were like playing

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Speaker 5: a team, right now. So I just think with this

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Speaker 5: injury and hopefully Jimmy comes back healthy, but then again

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Speaker 5: he's a year older coming back next year dealing with

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Speaker 5: an injury. I think this officially closes the window any

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Speaker 5: kind of window that Golden State would have had on

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Speaker 5: a championship, because like, even though you know they're playing team,

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Speaker 5: you just I saw playing team get to the finals,

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Speaker 5: and as long as you got Steph and and Trey

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Speaker 5: and the coaching staff there, you always felt like there was,

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Speaker 5: you know, a Cinderella a threat to like kind of

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Speaker 5: make a run. But I just think it was this injury.

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Speaker 5: I think it really officially kind of closes the window.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think there's still a little bit

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Speaker 3: of hope. You have to very much right the ship

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Speaker 3: value you want back for him. Again, you have to

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Speaker 3: hope that Steph is playing at this level next year.

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Speaker 3: You got one more year maybe, and it all depends

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Speaker 3: on if Jimmy is attacking Juwy that'll come back. So

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Speaker 3: you have Stephan Jimmy and if you get trade pieces

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Speaker 2: You're talking about next year, but this year, this year,

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Speaker 2: we can we can close.

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Speaker 3: Unless Kaminga is like, all right, I'm gonna be a professional,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna watch everything. I'm just gonna go out here

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Speaker 3: become like he had thirty in the playoffs before. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 3: we can't say he's not capable score the ball. He's

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Speaker 3: a younger version to me of Jimmy. Now he's not

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Speaker 3: a smart high Q with's crafty of getting fouls and

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Speaker 3: game in my eyes, of knowing like to be at

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Speaker 3: the right place the right time to score the bast

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Speaker 3: Like he'll knock down a jumper when you need it.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna get a done like he can also run.

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Speaker 3: You need some youth and athleticism in today's league. So

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Speaker 3: depending on matchups, they're not winning a championship tenem matchups,

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Speaker 3: they can get to maybe a second or third round. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: maybe second round. I don't know about third, third, tough,

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Speaker 3: but I think they could win to the playoff series.

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Speaker 3: If Kaminga and you have Pajemski coming out, if you

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Speaker 3: like those guys show up and play well, you cast.

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Speaker 4: A big ask.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you're telling the guy who hasn't played the

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Speaker 1: He's only what I know.

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Speaker 5: But like, you don't just jump on the NBA court,

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Speaker 5: I don't care who you are. After missing like and

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Speaker 4: He's almost gonna have to play at an All star level.

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Speaker 3: For January January.

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Speaker 2: I'm not holding my breath on the Kaminga comeback story.

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Speaker 1: It's not just his ability. I'm not saying that the

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying I'm not saying I wouldn't say that

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Speaker 3: he actually does it. That's the only way.

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Speaker 1: But I don't got you what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: The reason why I'm saying that's just highly unlikely is that,

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Speaker 2: first of all, Sham's just put out a report that

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Speaker 2: the situation between Kaminga and Steve Kurr is untenable. Let's

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Speaker 2: let's rewind because I want the listeners to get it. Like,

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Speaker 2: when you see these reports, you gotta realize what Camps

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Speaker 2: also reported last year that Johnath think Kaminga is losing

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Speaker 2: faith in Steve Kerr. Okay, so we know Steve Kurr

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Speaker 2: didn't put out the didn't lead to to Sham's that

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Speaker 2: him saying he's not good at his job. So we

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Speaker 2: know he didn't do that. He didn't dis himself in

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Speaker 2: the press.

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Speaker 1: Came from the Communic camp.

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Speaker 2: So now when Sham's is saying that the relationship is

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Speaker 2: quote fractured beyond repair, it's you.

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Speaker 1: Know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: So like that's the thing, and that's before you talk

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Speaker 2: about style of play and just the opportunities that Kaminga

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Speaker 2: has had. And I can understand the Comingica camp saying,

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Speaker 2: oh we didn't get a long lead ship. It's hard

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Speaker 2: to play looking over and look cool.

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Speaker 1: And your opportunities.

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Speaker 2: You haven't proven that you can be a trustworthy and

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Speaker 2: really good play for this.

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Speaker 5: Steve, I've never seen nothing like this, Like I've never

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Speaker 4: You don't like who else in the league.

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Speaker 4: It's where you're like, they just don't get it.

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Speaker 5: Like even when Jimmy was doing that in Miami, he

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Speaker 2: Logan Murdoch a for the former colleague of mine at

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Speaker 1: That's way more than we making. And there's a feeling,

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Speaker 3: So they have another avenue of hope. They have two

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Speaker 3: So it's like, if I want to get back what

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Speaker 2: So he's just gonna keep this, this this toxic situation

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Speaker 3: I don't know. This one's tough, this one. I'm just

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Speaker 1: But the only way to do that as if you

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Speaker 2: So when I was younger, I remember guys, me and

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Speaker 1: We would trade.

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Speaker 2: You got a pair of pennies, I got a pair

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Speaker 2: of Barkley's.

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Speaker 1: Let's trade you got it this we would trade.

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Speaker 2: Why would I trade you as a non Warriors team

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Speaker 1: Know you never wear. You don't even like it. You

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna give you my high bou.

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Speaker 1: You don't even like this ship. Bro.

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Speaker 2: I never seen you leave the house with this ship,

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Speaker 2: and I gotta give you some ship that I love. Nah,

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Speaker 4: It's not gonna go like that.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: One man's trash is another man's trasure, though.

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Speaker 1: Sure puts potentially. I just think that's how NBA teams are.

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Speaker 3: He's played five minutes of the half.

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Speaker 3: He started the game? Did he start the game?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 1: He's oh for two from the.

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Speaker 2: That's a good rate, good rebound rate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, solid, bro, I mean again, they're putting this kid

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Speaker 3: you should have been doing this before this.

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Speaker 2: Jim He's Here's the other problem that if I'm a

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Speaker 2: about this Jimmy thing. If managed finally got in their

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Speaker 2: the team while you still had Jimmy, it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: we're this twenty five and nineteen, twenty five and eighteen team.

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Speaker 1: With Jimmy, we add a.

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Speaker 2: Very high quality play on top of that, we probably

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Speaker 2: which is like, that's like a fifty eight forty excuse me,

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Speaker 1: We add a better play man, we might.

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Speaker 2: Be a fifty three fifty four win pace type team,

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Speaker 2: which we all know is high quality team. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: now if you do something like that, you just get

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Speaker 3: Was here for sure, which is just so the question

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Speaker 3: Do you try to trade Jimmy?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 4: I don't think you can trade Jimmy right now.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you get value for Jimmy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's injury, he's old, sixty something million next year,

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Speaker 5: and he's coming off for ACL at thirty seven years old.

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Speaker 3: I think nobody will take them almost sell tickets.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't, and I'm not. I'm a Jimmy Buckets fanatic.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's the type of guy that moves

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Speaker 1: Sit.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, you have Kaminga and Jimmy, and you have

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Speaker 3: You don't think a team will take that type of

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Speaker 2: I think the team would look at Jimmy's contract next

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Speaker 2: year is expiring. There's something tantalizing about that, that he

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Speaker 1: But if you, I don't know, like, if you, that

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Speaker 2: And even then they're gonna be looking at it like

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Speaker 3: So you have no faith in him coming back and

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Speaker 2: I have faith in it. I just that's how teams negotiate. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they always try to make it seem like you're sending

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Speaker 3: So, Jimmy, I think you can still sell.

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Speaker 1: I believe in Jimmy.

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Speaker 2: I think if he comes back next year and go

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Speaker 2: stayed as an improved roster, I believe that they have

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Speaker 2: the potential.

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Speaker 3: To do something sell him to another organization as like, Yo,

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Speaker 3: this is still a really good piece to help you. Milwaukee.

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Speaker 3: Can you do a comingo Jimmy and try to get

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Speaker 3: a honest.

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Speaker 2: No, Bucks fans would be infuriated by a move like.

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Speaker 3: But Jimmy's done to Milwaukee the last five years.

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Speaker 2: Dude, the guy with one year left on his deal

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Speaker 2: and the dude that has never shown anything in Golden State.

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Speaker 2: For the best player in the history of my franchise

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Speaker 2: might be starting the All Star Game this year. No,

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Speaker 2: you can't do that, man. Tough, tough, tough situation for

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Speaker 3: So it's gonna be basically dark days for stuff at

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Speaker 3: the end of his career.

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Speaker 2: Basically, what you're saying maybe next year be the last

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Speaker 2: the last year. Also another thing, it's been reported that

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Speaker 2: people think Steve this Steve Kurz last year, that he's

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Speaker 2: he's he's moving on.

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Speaker 1: That's why he's been doing a fading dynasty.

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Speaker 3: This year is last or next year.

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Speaker 2: No, this season, people think this season will be his

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Speaker 2: last year. That's why he's just been so like, yeah, man,

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Speaker 2: we had a good run. Hey man, it was it

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Speaker 2: was fun while it lasted. That's what That's what people

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Speaker 2: are speculating. So we've been doing our picks reviews for

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Speaker 2: some weeks now. I was in a slump.

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Speaker 4: Damn, I'm still in the slump.

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Speaker 1: I was in a slump.

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Speaker 3: I would have had three oh two, but.

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Speaker 2: Last night the heat at the Warriors, Danny went to

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Speaker 2: and one, Paul went one and two.

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Speaker 1: I went three and oh.

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Speaker 2: Just to update the standings, I'm now thirty and sixteen.

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Speaker 2: I am making these people rich, Okay, Danny is twenty

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Speaker 2: seven and nineteen, Paul is twenty six and twenty.

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Speaker 1: We're all well abusting money. Everybody's getting paid around here.

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Speaker 2: But just just to review some of the picks, Jimmy

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Speaker 1: You had more, should have you should have had that.

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Speaker 1: Me and Paul went under.

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Speaker 2: We got that steph plus I mean more or less

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Speaker 2: than three and a half? Three point is made, he

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Speaker 2: made five. Me and Danny had more. Paul said less,

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Speaker 2: Bam more or less than twenty and a half?

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Speaker 3: Crazy before that.

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Speaker 2: One for thirteen, zero for five from three four points

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Speaker 2: for BAM might to buy it.

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Speaker 1: The Heat franchise player and Tyler Herrold had.

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Speaker 3: A DMP though he had a couple had thirty ball.

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Speaker 3: He had a couple of good games though.

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Speaker 2: So that was a push and the Warriors won the game,

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Speaker 2: won thirty five to one twelve. All right, let's get

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Speaker 2: into our favorite part of every single show. That's our

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Speaker 2: Picks of the Night presented by Prize Picks. And this

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Speaker 2: time we have the Calves at the Charlotte Hornets.

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Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell more or less than four and a half assists.

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Speaker 3: I think he gets that.

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Speaker 1: I think he gets I'm going more as well.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go more.

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Speaker 1: Lots of possession, lots of garland.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he has to make some places right.

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Speaker 1: He's doing this?

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Speaker 3: Is he is all again right now?

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Speaker 1: Is he?

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Speaker 2: He's like, I don't know, man, he's all over the place,

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Speaker 2: to be honest with you. Next up, we got LaMelo

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Speaker 3: He's on minute restruction right now too, coming off the

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Speaker 3: bench up. Yeah, that's tough.

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Speaker 1: I like this. I like this more I do.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say less. I think it gets like four.

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Speaker 2: I like this more like him Conkor Nipple and Brandon

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Speaker 2: Miller developed.

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Speaker 3: That's about like a really good cohesion right now, I'll

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Speaker 3: go more. Four and a half is not it's not

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Speaker 3: crazy high.

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Speaker 2: I have a lot of confidence in what he's doing

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Speaker 2: right now. Conkor Nipple more or less than seventeen and

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Speaker 2: a half points.

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Speaker 3: He's been balling, bro, He's been falling. But that's that's

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Speaker 3: that's I feel like, I, let's say high, but that.

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Speaker 2: The average RAN team, he's averaging something like nineteen twenty points.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go I was gonna say less too, but

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Speaker 1: Austin Rivers, Okay.

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Speaker 2: stop that. First off, why do you even have a

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Speaker 1: You're a You're not a fucking player. End quote.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Paul replied to Rivers's comments during Sunday's episode of his podcast, saying, quote,

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Speaker 3: So this is podcast, Paul said, Yes, this is podcast.

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Speaker 3: This is podcast Paul. When I'm here, you call me

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Speaker 3: podcast Paul agent right now because agents aren't allowed to

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Speaker 3: have podcasts, is what he says. So don't call me

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Speaker 3: an agent for the next hour that I'm on this show.

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Speaker 2: So, just just because Austin reason is saying agents can't

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Speaker 2: do this.

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Speaker 1: He said, well, for this hour, I'm nobody's agents. I'm

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Speaker 2: Right, that's my displeasure about what this guy was doing,

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Speaker 2: just like talking about his client's teammates.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean again, I said, I know where he's

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Speaker 3: So it's like when you like what you're saying. Of course,

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Speaker 3: of value, and it's like that's where some people have

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Speaker 3: an issue with it. I don't have issue with it. Again,

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Speaker 3: don't I'm not opposed to people have a podcast that

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Speaker 3: not every Again, I said this before and now everybody

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Speaker 3: you know, there's a line that you're teetering. There's certain

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Speaker 3: things you could not discuss surpribly. Stay away from talking

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Speaker 3: other people, But I feel like you're messing with a

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Speaker 2: You Know's agent ran upon him at the Laker game

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Speaker 1: About. It was just it was just man just talked.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he had to check it was l a so

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Speaker 1: he had to check in. Yeah, he had to be

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Speaker 1: like to check in, what's what's up? We were good

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Speaker 1: check Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I think it's like, I love Rich Paul voicing

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Speaker 5: and it wasn't Lebron's were not, it wouldn't be a deal.

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Speaker 5: But on the flip side, it could cost something like

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Speaker 5: in the locker room too, because like Austin could just

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Speaker 4: Man, you know, and Bron be like, you know, I

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Speaker 5: But then you know, Austin can feel a certain type

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Speaker 5: it could cost like energy, Yeah, weird energy, you know.

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Speaker 5: And and so I can see them kind of like

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Speaker 5: he manufactured that.

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Speaker 3: When anybody in anybody's camp, especially a big players camp,

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Speaker 3: from Lucas camp who could don't believe that at all.

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Speaker 3: It's like, oh, you know, Austin is shooting too many

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Speaker 3: I didn't say none of that shit either way. It's

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Speaker 1: So two things for me.

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Speaker 2: Wade has got moved out of Cleveland because Lebron was

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Speaker 1: Get him out of here. Ship his ass out.

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Speaker 2: So when people I'm not saying Rich is orchestrating that

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Speaker 2: that's out of bounds. But my main thing with what

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Speaker 2: this for how long? You didn't wake up yesterday being

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Speaker 2: it right now like you might have.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you might have something interesting to say.

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Speaker 1: You purposely do it in a way that has the

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Speaker 3: Didn't you got to watch the part he never got pressed,

664
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 3: He said. He talked to him as his man's they

665
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 3: have a history. They spoke, They had a conversation. It

666
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 3: wasn't a pressed okay.

667
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is I get if you're perfectly

668
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: carefully orchestrated this.

669
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 3: Think that Max and Rich don't know what they're doing

670
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 3: when it comes to trying to get clicks.

671
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: No, I think. No, I'm not saying that.

672
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: I think Max is one of the most talented people

673
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: in our industry. I have a deep respect and admiration

674
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: for Max. I'm a fan of his work. I think

675
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: Rich Paul is obviously a compelling figure that people want

676
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: to hear what he has to say because of.

677
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 4: All the things that he's achieved.

678
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: However, that doesn't mean he gets up want to show

679
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: it automatically. Is good at it? I was. That's what

680
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

681
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: He's not good at it right now, and if he was,

682
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,479
Speaker 2: it would have went down a little bit differently than

683
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: it did.

684
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying.

685
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, in order to get good at things,

686
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: you gotta take him seriously.

687
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 3: For sure. I don't think he's not taking it serious.

688
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 3: I think he's taking his lumps. I don't think he's

689
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 3: bad at and I don't see anything wrong with how

690
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 3: he said it. I think he worded it just fine.

691
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 3: It's because he's the It's not the message, it's the messenger.

692
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 3: You would not have an issue with somebody else. If

693
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: Max said what he said, there would not be no.

694
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying Max, But what if it was

695
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: like Aaron Mint to something you would you think people

696
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: would have been like, no, it's fine.

697
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: He's one of the most powerful agents in the NBA.

698
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: But if his main bottle it comes out and trades

699
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: his client's teammates.

700
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: People would be like, what the fuck maybe said? It

701
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 3: depends on who his clients are now, if they speaking

702
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 3: about it, if he's talking on the Lakers, and his

703
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,239
Speaker 3: main clients jokers and they don't give a fuck. But he's

704
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 3: talking about Denver, then yes, it's the messenger, it's not

705
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 3: the message. So that doesn't make him bad because I

706
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 3: just don't think that makes him bad because no, I'm.

707
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: Not saying he's bad.

708
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: Damn saying you're an obviously powerful person. If he was

709
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: a scrub agent, we wouldn't get.

710
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 3: Saying he's doing You're saying he's doing the wrong thing,

711
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 3: Like that's what you're saying, not he's bad at it.

712
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 3: I'm saying.

713
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: I'm saying, when you're as important as Rich Paul, you

714
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,959
Speaker 2: can't just say shit like people view you as somebody

715
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: with power and influence, so when you come out.

716
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: And say that, people have to take it seriously.

717
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: If he was just some guy, you know, some au

718
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: runner type a dude and spouted his mouth on the

719
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: podcast about somebody getting traded, nobody like you can't trade people,

720
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: but people look at Rich Paul like, bro, he could,

721
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: he could trade people.

722
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: You know.

723
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: And even though like you and I all know, like

724
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: the Clutch influence has kind of waned in recent years,

725
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: especially as they move into the Luka Doncic era, Like

726
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: I know, that. But in terms of you're an agent

727
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: and your client is getting traded on one of the

728
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: most powerful ages podcasts. Yeah, I can understand why people

729
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: like I don't know, man, you know I.

730
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: Feel but.

731
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 5: Oh Rich, Yeah, like I said, I just think it

732
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 5: causes tension in the locker room.

733
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 4: I think, uh, you know, with the.

734
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 5: Way when you look at the Lakers over the years,

735
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 5: with the way it's always been like a a reality

736
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 5: TV show. You don't want to cause nothing like this

737
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 5: already know. So I like it, but I don't like it,

738
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 5: like you said, Daddy, like you said, like if that

739
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 5: Brown wasn't.

740
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 4: His client, I get it, but that is your client.

741
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 4: Some maybe it should have.

742
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 3: Came from Max talk about different teams.

743
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, talk about different teams.

744
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 5: But I mean I understand what he was saying, like, hey,

745
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 5: and that could be a little power move because like

746
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 5: he feels like shot.

747
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 3: Chess, bro playing chess. You think that he don't know

748
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 3: what he's doing.

749
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 4: I said a couple of weeks ago.

750
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 5: I remember I said that a couple of weeks ago.

751
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been I want to get better. You got

752
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 4: to trade.

753
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 3: It's been a topic for everybody. He say it on

754
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 3: air for everybody else to see. But again, everything they've

755
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 3: done is chest bro and for you to think that

756
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 3: he don't like, there's something going on.

757
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: We don't think about this.

758
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 5: If they traded Austin Reeves and got Jackson Junior, we'll

759
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 5: be looking at the Lakers like, oh.

760
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: Hold on, yeah, that was an incredible.

761
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 5: Right because now you got some defense in the interior

762
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 5: and a dude who can stretch the defense might hold

763
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 5: might be a continuder.

764
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 2: It's a great yeah, it's like and again that's and

765
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: I think again the validity of it, the person that

766
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: is coming from. I think that all plays it, you

767
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 2: know what I mean. The attractiveness of the Lakers is

768
00:34:58,480 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 2: a franchise.

769
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 3: You know.

770
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 2: Again, like I said when we talk about it the

771
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: first time, like, if I'm Austin Reeves and I'm in

772
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 2: line to get a big ass raise with the Lakers

773
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: and you want me to get my big ass raise.

774
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: In Memphis, I don't like that.

775
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 3: If the Lakers ain't trying to do it, I'm sure

776
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 3: they've been hesitant. If that wasn't, they should have did it,

777
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 3: or like why should for sure if y'all waiting?

778
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: Cool?

779
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 3: No, I feel yesterday and Mesphis taxes are a lot

780
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 3: better than California.

781
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 4: Man, man, listen, bro come on, man.

782
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 3: Austin Reeves wants to absolutely Memphigs. I mean he'll play

783
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 3: anybody giving him that type of money.

784
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: I'm for sure all money.

785
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: Like if Memphis is offering him much more money, of course,

786
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 2: I would never say of course, but he'd rather be

787
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 2: paid than be in LA.

788
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 3: But if they're hesitant, don't want to do it, I'm

789
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 3: cool with going to Tennessee. I'll get the bigger, bigger

790
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 3: checks in Tennessee.

791
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: No, I feel it.

792
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: I feel like I hope Austin gets paid this summer.

793
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 2: And speaking of breakout years breakout seasons, the all star

794
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 2: starters were announced. Uh in the West, Danny and myself

795
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: we both picked Shaye, Luca, Yo Kids, Steph and Wemby,

796
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 2: and so did the NBA. Paul had Aunt and lebron

797
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: in instead of Luca and Steph. I like the pick, Paul,

798
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 2: you still love those picks bron and and still starting

799
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: on your squad.

800
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

801
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 5: When also, when I look at this is interesting, I

802
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 5: wish we could pull up our picks.

803
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 4: I like mine is better than us matchup.

804
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: Bo Okay, you think you just had a way better

805
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: All Star team.

806
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 4: No better matchup matches.

807
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 3: You got more defense with and then I got with Bron.

808
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 5: But then I got a Scottie Barnes. But it's Americans

809
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,479
Speaker 5: versus the European world, the world. So like you're gonna

810
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 5: say something like, what did I say? I said, so

811
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 5: are my starters if it was all American, will be

812
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 5: Bron and uh maybe chat?

813
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 4: Uh who else I had? I had maybe book? Yeah?

814
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 4: Means again, what Ann Brown or something?

815
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 5: Because I got more, I got the side, I got

816
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 5: a little more size to match up Cage Brown.

817
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 4: Better match.

818
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 3: Do you think that?

819
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 4: But it's not westbverth East.

820
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: But that's how they picked the start the.

821
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 3: Starters, right, Okay, so we have they have announced the

822
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 3: rest of the squad yet.

823
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: These are the guys obviously that are just guaranteed, you know,

824
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: from the fan voting the coaches and yeah.

825
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 4: I'm from a fan's perspective. I like my starting lineup

826
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 4: better for Bron.

827
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 3: And grandfather than for sure, Yeah, and deserving of it.

828
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 6: Yeah.

829
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: I think that was the biggest thing I saw one

830
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: about Edwards not starting over Steph.

831
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: Because Gold is age four, right, something like that.

832
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 7: It's Steph Curry, He's having a great I don't know

833
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 7: what I was thinking about the averaging more than his

834
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 7: numbers are supposed.

835
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: As having an incredible year. I'm just saying, like, it's.

836
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 3: It's still yeah again, if you're gonna do with that,

837
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 3: it's Lebron.

838
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: I just think Stephan is way.

839
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: I think Stephan way closer than what Luca and and

840
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: and Bron Broun have put together as a season. I

841
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: don't think it's it's it's comparable, you.

842
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: Know what I mean?

843
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: Uh, but you know I would love to see Bron

844
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: getting there. I told you my bias is towards the

845
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: older guys. I think the younger guys is like, Bro,

846
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 2: you got plenty of years to make starters and do.

847
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 1: All of this improve your point.

848
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 3: If they did it like East versus West and old school,

849
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 3: I could see somebody giving up their starting position to

850
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 3: Bron so to start, but they do.

851
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 5: You know that happened when I was with Vincent and Mike. Yeah, yeah,

852
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 5: that was like my first All Star Game. It was

853
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 5: in Philadelphia when Vince was voted the starter and he

854
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 5: gave it to Mike.

855
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 4: I remember that.

856
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful gesture ended up being a legendary All

857
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 2: Star Game, And what do.

858
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: We got for the East starters? We got other ones.

859
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 2: We picked bro Yeah, Giannis, Cade, Brunson, Maxie and Brown.

860
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 3: That's that's what.

861
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Paul picks Scottie Barnes instead of Maxie

862
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: to start. Yeah, how do you feel about the only.

863
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 3: Other person again that I thought that could have been

864
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 3: would have been don Donovan Mitchell.

865
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 4: Sure.

866
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see Donovan Mitchell making the case that

867
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 2: he's having a better season than Maxie or perhaps Brunson

868
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 2: or something there.

869
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 3: They're there. I think they might be winning a little

870
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 3: more than Philly is, but he's not having a better

871
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 3: season Max.

872
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: I mean, the Knicks are like two and eight, so

873
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 2: you can't even use the winning for Jal.

874
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 3: But when it comes to numbers, Maxie's top five and

875
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 3: score like he's having an unbelievable year when it comes

876
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 3: to like playing wise, but Cleveland.

877
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: Is phil four in a row.

878
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 3: You lost Philly's number five. I thought Phillies below Cleveland.

879
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: So yeah, they have they have no they have no

880
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: argument there. But don is a more senior All Star,

881
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 3: are a veteran, like he would normally get a starting spot,

882
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 3: but because they're not so good and Tyree's having unbeli

883
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 3: layer deserves that start.

884
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: That's the funny thing about expectations, Paul is like, Donovan

885
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 2: is having an incredible season by any standard, but because

886
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 2: Cleveland is underachieved relative to what everybody thought they were

887
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 2: gonna accomplish this year, there's like a sort of cloud

888
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 2: over his season.

889
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 3: And but even if they underachieved, it was better than Philly,

890
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: he would have been a sto. Like they're just way

891
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 3: below being at seven.

892
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: That's crazy.

893
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 3: He won sixty four games last year. Yeah, like you

894
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 3: can go to the five pace.

895
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: To lose about forty seven more games I mean, sorry,

896
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 2: seventeen more games this season if you were at least

897
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: five seed.

898
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're going from sixty plus wins to like forty plus.

899
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 3: Bro, what if they were a five seen the Philly

900
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 3: was six, then he might have got in, like y'all

901
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 3: went from one to seven.

902
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 4: And he'll still making the All Star team.

903
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: He's gonna make the team. He's gonna he's definitely gonna

904
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: be a reserve.

905
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 4: He's gonna make it.

906
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 2: So I'm interested to see the Scottie Barnes is and

907
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 2: the sort.

908
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 3: From cases Ingram, But I think Scotty should he probably

909
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 3: deserves it right now.

910
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on.

911
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 5: When you look at how the format of the All

912
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 5: Star Game is and you look at it's going to

913
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 5: be international versus American. It's literally the top five players

914
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 5: in the league versus the Americans.

915
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 3: And maybe the other whoever else they add on that.

916
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 4: Luca Shay, Wimby, Joker, and.

917
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 2: I don't think they should be able to claim the Canadians.

918
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 4: Why not.

919
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 2: To get the North American of it all, like if

920
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: you need a passport language, Like I just feel a

921
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 2: way about them being able to just snatch up the Canadians.

922
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 3: But depends on where in Kennedy talked about, because.

923
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: That's fair Canadian, Quebec and all of that.

924
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, but might I might be on your side

925
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 3: on that. I don't know.

926
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: People people have I've seen that conversation sort of bubble

927
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: up where the world is caught up and you know,

928
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: it's a big.

929
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: World out there.

930
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 2: World is better than us at the top if you want,

931
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: if you want to add all countries outside of America together,

932
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: yet it's better than us at the top.

933
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 5: Like we're unable to produce an m v P player

934
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 5: for years, It's been almost half a decade more.

935
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: Like last American probably over almost a decade.

936
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 3: What I'm saying about, like, you can get it, We

937
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 3: can get man.

938
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 4: What is that saying about?

939
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 3: Like, but again it depends or basketball, if you go

940
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 3: by your stead. I feel like Canadians should be kind

941
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 3: of like, yeah, went to he went to college, like.

942
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: Went to university.

943
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 5: I feel like when I'm in Canada, I feel like

944
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 5: I feel like I'm at the United Nations.

945
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 3: Man, like Russ Harden twenty eighteen.

946
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 5: It's almost been a decade since an American player. Years

947
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 5: and then before that we dominated.

948
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: Now look, Dirk Novinski was the last one.

949
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 2: In six the last European before the Giannis run started.

950
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: Damn Yeah, we used to be a proper country, y'all.

951
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: America has passed us at the top. So I think,

952
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: you know, what are we doing wrong?

953
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 2: I just I just hate our culture in terms of grassroots.

954
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: I think we got to fucked up culture. In terms

955
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: of developing.

956
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 4: Players, it's too business y.

957
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, the way that they do it in Europe, where

958
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: it's like you go to an academy and yeah, you know,

959
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 2: you gotta learn how to read.

960
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: And do basic math and all of that.

961
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 2: But it's like your job is basketball and we're teaching

962
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 2: you skills and all of that kind of thing.

963
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 3: I'm with you.

964
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: I think the academy system is what David.

965
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 3: West said was very you know, it was some goal.

966
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 3: But I think we have some players that have the talent. Man,

967
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 3: I just think the IQ is just not there yet.

968
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: But I think that's part of it. It's how the

969
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 2: game is taught. You're not taught to really train your IQ.

970
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 2: You get these skilled coaches and you play your twelve

971
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:19,439
Speaker 2: AU games a day.

972
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 3: Maybe you think they value The young generation values different

973
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 3: shit man, like.

974
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: In terms of like, I know what you're saying, it's

975
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: just spoiled.

976
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, the care factor is not there like it was

977
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 3: back in the Like they're that's passionate or obsessive of

978
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 3: the game like the Europeans are. They value different things,

979
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 3: like you know what I'm saying, it's cool to do

980
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 3: struggling struggling there.

981
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: I think I think part of it, too, is that

982
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 2: what gets rewarded is individual play. Like so when you

983
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: talk about i Q, that's not just kicking somebody's ass

984
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: in a one on one basketball game and scoring Like

985
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 2: we need that and every team needs that. That's a

986
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: valuable but in terms of being a well rounded basketball player,

987
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: you got to do more than that.

988
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it.

989
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 2: Feels like that's kind of just intrinsic to the European game.

990
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: It's just like a team concept in terms of how

991
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: they approach the game. And you know, most of these guys,

992
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 2: whether you're talking about a Wenby or a yokicch even

993
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: Luca to an extent, these guys like know how to

994
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: play unselfishly, get off.

995
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: The ball, read the court well.

996
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 3: They know all the fundamentals that yeah, passball, they how

997
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 3: to shoot, maybe not defense, but offensively, they know all

998
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 3: the skills very well. They all play as if they're

999
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 3: a point guard and they're smart enough to be a

1000
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 3: point guard at every position.

1001
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to see our guys. I don't know.

1002
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: I would love to see a.

1003
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: System that rewarded just smarter winning basketball, you know, like

1004
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: actually executing your pick and roll assignment every single time,

1005
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: understanding what you're doing on the weak side strong side.

1006
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 3: So question, who do you think is our next American MVP? Like,

1007
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 3: who do you think can get it for us? And

1008
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 3: can we get in there? You think he gets one

1009
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 3: of the near future in the next five years.

1010
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,959
Speaker 2: Yes, it's gonna it's gonna have to be in because

1011
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: if it's not, we're gonna have to wait for Cooper Flag.

1012
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 3: I mean, there's some some some young guys coming in

1013
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 3: ag of the bed, like maybe.

1014
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 1: Kate Cunningham has the potential.

1015
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 4: And Caen Brown, I'm not.

1016
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 3: Jalen Jason Tatum.

1017
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 2: You know what, man, if the Celtics, if Jalen Brown

1018
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: plays like how he played in December.

1019
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 5: The way Joker and Shay are playing right now, yeah,

1020
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 5: it's gonna be playing like.

1021
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 2: It's just gonna be tough to match their level because,

1022
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: as Paul says, Man, these guys are playing at all

1023
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: time great levels in.

1024
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: Terms of their offensive output.

1025
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 3: That rule, a sixty five game rule kicks in at

1026
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 3: some point. But I think Ann could get there. I

1027
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 3: think I think Kate. I like Kate, I like it

1028
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 3: a lot. I think he can get there even Jaalen.

1029
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 2: Like if if if Tatum comes back in a slightly

1030
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 2: diminished as a slightly diminished offensive player and the burden

1031
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: shifts more to Jalen and Boston becomes a sixty win

1032
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: team again, I can see Jalen getting into the especially

1033
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: the narrative conversation of somebody who started out as the

1034
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: second option, and I could see some narrative thrust getting

1035
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 2: behind them.

1036
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: But but the man, but the prow said is right.

1037
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,439
Speaker 5: The problem with our American players is like everything has

1038
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 5: to go right for them to get MVP.

1039
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 4: Like they have to be the top seed, like the

1040
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,959
Speaker 4: very top seed, you know what I'm saying, whereas like.

1041
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 5: Joker or Shaye, they could be top three seed, can

1042
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 5: be like you know, Luca, Luca ever finished in the

1043
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 5: top three seed, he'll be MV me because just numbers wise,

1044
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 5: there's nobody that can match these guys. I mean, it's

1045
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 5: the closest one you know where these guys are average.

1046
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 3: Every category rebounds like every ridiculous.

1047
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 5: And then now Wimby, now he's gonna be He's gonna

1048
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 5: every next years.

1049
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 4: So it's gonna be difficult.

1050
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's looking bad for for us. Man, they're taking

1051
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:19,919
Speaker 2: our jobs, Chris, all right, man, So we're going from

1052
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: All Star to just just smoke.

1053
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: It's smoked time, Man's smoke time.

1054
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: We finally get some smoke From some other podcasts. Draymond

1055
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,919
Speaker 2: Green did not like what Paul Pierce had to say

1056
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 2: about MAX players and who's deserving of it? Please roll

1057
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: this Draymond clip, because boy did he getting Paul's ass.

1058
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 3: He didn't watch the whole He watched the whole clip

1059
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 3: of ours, though I don't I feel.

1060
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 6: Like Oh, Pierce says, there's only three players in the

1061
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 6: NBA worth the mass contract, Wimby Joker and s g

1062
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 6: a Man Chasing Tatum, not Yanna's not worth for Max,

1063
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 6: Jaylen Brown, Steph Curry. You mean to tell me none

1064
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 6: of these guys are worth max contrac So then what

1065
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 6: Paul Pierce is saying is he was never worth a

1066
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 6: MAX contract. You named three guys, and when Paul Pierce

1067
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 6: was in the league, Kobe was in the league, so

1068
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 6: it definitely wasn't Kobe. Paul Pierce spent some time in

1069
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 6: the league with Michael Jordan, definitely wasn't Michael. Kevin Garnett

1070
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 6: definitely wasn't Kevin. Tim Duncan definitely wasn't Tim Duncan. So

1071
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 6: pretty much Paul Pierce was never max player either. If

1072
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 6: his notion is what works, there are some guys that

1073
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 6: get Max through the circumstance. But to say there's only three,

1074
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 6: and also to leave off man like if you want

1075
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 6: to say Steph not bron not because of their age. Cool.

1076
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:33,919
Speaker 6: You can say, oh man, I don't want to get

1077
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 6: that guy four year max because I get it.

1078
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 4: But to say they're not max at all just.

1079
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 6: Another idiotic thing that Paul Pierson spewed into the world

1080
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 6: and that we must live.

1081
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 2: So He's what I think Jamond was trying to say

1082
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,959
Speaker 2: in his argument is that one Paul Pierce did earn

1083
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 2: max contracts in his career in the NBA.

1084
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: The max at the time that he played.

1085
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 2: What he's saying is you wouldn't say you were a

1086
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: Duncan or Garnet or Kobe.

1087
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: So by your standard, you weren't.

1088
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 5: A max player. No, not by my standard, I was

1089
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 5: not a max player. Okay, So if I do a

1090
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 5: pyramid of the tears, who would be at the top

1091
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 5: of the pyramid of today NBA? Joker, Wimby and I

1092
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 5: missed Jonas Jnis be right there and it's creeping right now, like.

1093
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 7: He's like like a slight tier below them, like because

1094
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 7: like you feel like if you get one of them

1095
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 7: four players any team in the league, they turned your

1096
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 7: whole franchise around. Now I understand the circumstances where you

1097
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 7: get the MAX. But if we did it like on

1098
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 7: just like Tears, you know, I wouldn't have been a Max.

1099
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 5: Was you know, Dunkan, KG Shack, Kobe. God, damn we

1100
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 5: had about tiers, you know what I'm saying that damn

1101
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 5: and so. But like if you did it like that,

1102
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 5: like dude, we put Jalen or Jason up there with

1103
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 5: Shaye and Joker.

1104
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 4: They're great players and my guys too, But like those.

1105
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: Guys by separated them.

1106
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 5: They separated themselves because they're in the MVP conversations every year.

1107
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 3: I think Jalen has creeped up into that conversation this year.

1108
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 1: You think he's a Yanis level kind of guy.

1109
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 3: No, but he's creeped up into being one of the

1110
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 3: best two way players.

1111
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 4: In the game.

1112
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1113
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, But I'm talking about guys that are going to

1114
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 5: be repeatedly in the MVP conversation every single Yes, that

1115
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 5: was that guy, Yes, Bron was that guy. Yes, KD

1116
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 5: was that guy? Not No more so like Harden was

1117
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 5: that just And it's just like now what I'm seeing

1118
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 5: And the reason I said that is because now franchises

1119
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 5: are crippling their.

1120
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 4: Cap space for a guy that's not at that tear.

1121
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: So are you talking about like a Franzen a Pollo.

1122
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 5: That may get the max, but like dang, Now, if

1123
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 5: they're not good enough to get us to a finals,

1124
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 5: we're stuck on the running in place for like the

1125
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 5: next five six years. And so now we're seeing the trend.

1126
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 5: These guys are trading these guys. They're trading guys. They

1127
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 5: want to trade Jaw because like Joh' is a MAX guy, right,

1128
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 5: but now owners are.

1129
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 4: Like, dude, I want to pay him the MAX.

1130
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 5: To keep us, you know, on the treadmills running in

1131
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 5: place for the next five years. And so that's why

1132
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 5: I said what I said, these guys are the true

1133
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 5: MAX guys.

1134
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. Okay, So where I agree with you.

1135
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 2: Is the Jaw, LaMelo, Trey Young, all these guys that

1136
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 2: coming off of their rookie MAX extension like on their

1137
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 2: next deal, which we already saw with Trey Young, no

1138
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: dead on arrival, no MAX extension for you. I'll be

1139
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 2: looking at LaMelo and and Joah Joah one he was

1140
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 2: like finished top six, top five in the m v

1141
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 2: P before was looking like a trajectory of a no

1142
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 2: brainer franchise. No Brainer LaMelo who the second that they

1143
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 2: could offer him a rookie MAX extension. They did, and

1144
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 2: then two three years later they're like, yo, he's kind

1145
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 2: of on the trading block.

1146
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: Makes you wonder, like they're.

1147
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 2: Not going to offer this kid a MAX extension off

1148
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 2: of his next day.

1149
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: I think teams those days of team's.

1150
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 2: Just automatically gone with that seemed to be changed.

1151
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. That's what Paul, what I'm kind

1152
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 5: of saying. Now now that the money that got so

1153
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 5: big that they're like, hold.

1154
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 2: On, whereas like Joker this offseason he's eligible for an extension.

1155
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: Nothing going to be like I'm comfortable with, Please take

1156
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 2: our three hundred million dollars.

1157
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 4: In today's NBA, who are you comfortable with? Yeah, it's.

1158
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 3: Maybe ten guys.

1159
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 2: Matter of fact, Danny Nico, Dude, Nico and Dallas said

1160
00:53:59,400 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 2: comfortable with?

1161
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: Could know?

1162
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 4: Luca No, they said, Luca, no, I know.

1163
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 3: But again there is the Jason Tatms, Jayleen Brow like

1164
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 3: a man, Jayson Ta like.

1165
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: I'm oh, yeah, I'm paying those guys.

1166
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 3: I'm paying them. Jaylen Bronton like the name, well, the

1167
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 3: four you just had right, you just named what you named?

1168
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 3: Jok Wemby and you said Luca. You said no Luca,

1169
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 3: I didn't say Luca.

1170
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 2: Luca did end up getting a Max extension, but that

1171
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,760
Speaker 2: but he ended up getting the different.

1172
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: He couldn't get the super Max because.

1173
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 5: He got given Luca Dokas the Max, like the Supermax,

1174
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 5: the Supermax.

1175
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:38,760
Speaker 3: We got Jannis Wemby Yokic. I'm saying, Jason Tam, Jalen Brown,

1176
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 3: and man, I can do Jalen Brunson, I can, I

1177
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 3: can do s G A G noth.

1178
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: Are you doing?

1179
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 4: Old Nah? Whoever?

1180
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: I could?

1181
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 4: Maybe.

1182
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: I think even a guy like Kate is like a

1183
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: year to his extension.

1184
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 2: I don't know what he's gonna be in four years,

1185
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,479
Speaker 2: but it feels confident that, like in four years, it'll

1186
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 2: be a smart thing to pay him out and keep

1187
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 2: him on your team as long as possible.

1188
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: It feels that way right now. I could again one.

1189
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 3: Ben Carro, maybe book I got. I gave you to Book.

1190
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 3: There is probably another one or two guys else. But

1191
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 3: those are ten guys right there. I even named Luca,

1192
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 3: but I could do Luca too. I could so all

1193
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 3: those guys.

1194
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 5: And this is what I think, Like, who out of

1195
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 5: all those guys you believe can be the best player

1196
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 5: on a championship team.

1197
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 3: Probably seven to eight of them, I think so. I mean,

1198
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 3: Jaylen Brown and Jays Tatum definitely could proven proven that.

1199
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 3: SGA has proven that. I think Cave could for sure.

1200
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 3: I think Book could. Course we have this winby yeah,

1201
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 3: I think good. I hate to tell like I think

1202
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 3: most of them.

1203
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: But again, you know, just to just to reiterate.

1204
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 3: Jaylen Brunton is the one, like he's smaller guards. So

1205
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:07,479
Speaker 3: that's the one that's like if right.

1206
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:11,919
Speaker 2: I think somebody like Darius Garland, who on his rookie deal,

1207
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 2: his extension was considered a no brainer max rookie extension,

1208
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 2: his next deal is not going to be a MAX extension,

1209
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 2: no comfortable. He's a little older now, he's like twenty

1210
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: nine or whatever. But I don't think he's gonna get

1211
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 2: some Donovan Mitchell. He's gonna get some five year MAX extension.

1212
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 2: I don't think that's gonna happen for him.

1213
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 3: I don't see why not. Yeah, I don't see why not.

1214
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 4: Why not?

1215
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 3: He's still playing at a high level.

1216
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: He can give you.

1217
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 3: He's still pretty much.

1218
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: A lot of guys they's gonna be like, yo, well three.

1219
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 3: Years by your standard. No, but by the league standard. Yes,

1220
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 3: he's the only one producer and he's shown up every

1221
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 3: now he's most available on your group right now.

1222
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna offer him five years at

1223
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 2: a max number.

1224
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: You lose them.

1225
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 5: But I think that's where we are in the state

1226
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 5: of the NBA. These guys are like, do I pay

1227
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 5: him the max or do I just.

1228
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: I don't think he's about replacing him.

1229
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 2: It's kind of just like I don't maybe I just

1230
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:08,720
Speaker 2: move on from second round mediocrity a different direction.

1231
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 4: It's not going to be start coming in doing.

1232
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 3: Reason why you're second round mediocre. I think it's the

1233
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 3: pieces around.

1234
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 5: Him, I would, Okay, So now I sign him to

1235
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 5: the super Max.

1236
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 4: How do you improve those pieces?

1237
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 3: You gotta Like again, I've been saying Cleveland is making trade.

1238
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 4: For all this year, like for another super Max player.

1239
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 3: Maybe so, but you got the two bigs that numbre

1240
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 3: one of each of those, like the matchup a big

1241
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 3: and a guard with a Jared Allen and Daris going

1242
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 3: together to get somebody else better.

1243
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: Like, so here's my thing about Like you got a

1244
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 2: three staring about that Evan get one another also that

1245
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 2: fits the thing.

1246
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: About and I don't think that's a horrible idea.

1247
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like we got to acknowledge when people

1248
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 2: complain about Cleveland's small backcourt, Donovan mitch.

1249
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: Is one of those small for sure.

1250
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 2: That's why you have to get he's one of those

1251
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 2: people that's getting smoked on defense and playoff matchups.

1252
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 3: Get rid of one of the I know.

1253
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: I'm just saying like he's part of the problem. That

1254
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying.

1255
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 3: They're all part.

1256
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 2: We can't exempt out of Michiell from why Cleveland hasn't

1257
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 2: taken a step.

1258
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 3: I'm saying he's not the whole reason.

1259
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm not saying to the whole reason.

1260
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 3: He's memories, why they're part of the issue, the big party,

1261
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 3: why they're winning games with winning games.

1262
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 5: That's why I'm saying owners now today are saying we'll

1263
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 5: rather move on from start over for sure, instead of.

1264
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: Being figure out how to get back to the second round.

1265
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 2: If I can figure out, I can figure out how

1266
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 2: to get back to the second round without.

1267
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 5: Your ass, I need to be on some pieces around here.

1268
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: Y'all going down.

1269
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 3: They ain't getting back to that second round Cleveland.

1270
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: They'll rebuild.

1271
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 3: It canna be some dark days.

1272
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: For a while. A guy.

1273
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 5: That's that's what I was talking about when I talked

1274
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 5: about guys at the top of the pyramid.

1275
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 3: You want to come there, But before we go, there's

1276
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 3: one I wanted to type on the job thing. I

1277
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 3: don't know if y'all have noticed, but Jas his tune

1278
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 3: has changed a little bit.

1279
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: He said he's one of the most loyal guys in

1280
00:58:59,560 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: the world.

1281
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 3: My question is, he was, why do you think that is?

1282
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: You know, I think.

1283
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 2: I think there's something to the concept of goldfish, you

1284
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 2: know what I mean, where you sort of test the waters, yeah,

1285
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 2: and you realize, like the waters are kind of choppy

1286
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 2: and cold, and it's nice to be on shore in

1287
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 2: safety and warmth.

1288
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: You know.

1289
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 2: I think there's something to that. And I think there's

1290
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 2: a mutual need there in a sense that job. Nobody's

1291
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 2: dying to bring you in. Nobody, no franchise is going

1292
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 2: to trade for you and treat you like you're the

1293
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 2: best shit since slice bread, the way Memphis did your

1294
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 2: whole career. Memphis, on the other hand, realizes like they

1295
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 2: would never sign a free agent, a big name to

1296
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 2: come to their team. They would never they would have

1297
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 2: to get lucky and draft the guy as great as

1298
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 2: John Moran has been, as popular as he's been. So

1299
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 2: I think both sides realize, like, hey, you know what,

1300
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 2: the old lady ain't so bad after all.

1301
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: Man. I think I'm gonna make the marriage.

1302
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 2: Work, you know what I mean, buy some toys, you know,

1303
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 2: a little bit. We ain't leaving each other.

1304
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 3: Man without the dark conversation.

1305
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: Why do you think he changed his tune?

1306
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 5: I just think, you know, when you're in a position

1307
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 5: to make a lot of money and NBA is looking

1308
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 5: like they look across the league and they're like, man,

1309
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 5: do I want to pay a guy with this attitude?

1310
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 5: So it's like you want to, You want to just like,

1311
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 5: you know what, it ain't all that bad, like you said,

1312
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 5: and just be like, man, let me play the game.

1313
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Because he's gonna be up

1314
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 5: for another deal pretty soon, you know, trying to He's

1315
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 5: trying to get like so like if you play the game, man,

1316
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 5: and you just be like, you know what. You know,

1317
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 5: I was one of them players who had attitude, wanted

1318
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 5: to get traded in, and you know, I had sat

1319
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 5: down with advisors.

1320
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 4: I sat down with Doc.

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Speaker 5: I mean I was completely gone in Boston before when

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Speaker 5: we had that losing year, I was checked out. And

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Speaker 5: then you know, I had a whole summer to think

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Speaker 5: about it and talk to you know, Doc, and you know,

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Speaker 5: I said, look, man, you know, attitudes being shitty, and

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Speaker 5: you know, I need you to be more of a leader.

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Speaker 4: I need you to be more positive to the media.

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Speaker 5: I came back and even though we lost and we

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Speaker 5: didn't make it, but I had a better year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I had one of a career year pretty much because

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Speaker 5: I changed my attitude and then it kind of changed

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Speaker 5: how people looked at me.

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Speaker 4: And so I could see that happening with y'all.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I think I'm with you.

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Speaker 3: I think I mean he wanted to go to Miami,

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Speaker 3: and I think Miami wasn't really.

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Speaker 1: Like Miami was not thirsty to bring this guy in.

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Speaker 3: So it was like, all right, it's like but again,

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Speaker 3: I don't think you could fix the bat. Like that's

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Speaker 3: the same, it's the same.

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Speaker 1: Like, I mean, he's under contract for two years after

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Speaker 1: this year.

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Speaker 3: The same old lady, whether you take on a cruise

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Speaker 3: and by toys or not. At some point.

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Speaker 4: We'll see.

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Speaker 2: For memphisis sake and Jos's sake that they reconcile and make.

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Speaker 3: A lot of therapy not work, but we'll see the counseling.

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Speaker 2: Let's hope it could work out. So anyway, folks, that's

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Speaker 4: Peace out.

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