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Speaker 1: Kiki leak Ow on the bench.

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Speaker 2: Kiki, please, all right, let's get into the court room.

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Speaker 2: The gabble has been hit. It says, hey, Kiki, am

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Speaker 2: I wrong for reporting the evil nurse at my job?

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Speaker 2: My name is Nina, I'm I'm a single mom, college

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Speaker 2: student and part time CNA. I want to be a

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Speaker 2: nurse one day, but after working with some of the

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Speaker 2: most toxic nurses ever, I'm now reconsidering. Last week, I

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Speaker 2: asked the nurse I was on duty with to help

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Speaker 2: in my face and said, I don't get paid to

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Speaker 2: white butt, that's your job. I have my degree. I

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Speaker 2: was furious. This wasn't the first time that she's disrespected me.

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Speaker 2: And these nurses that I work with just sit at

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Speaker 2: their desk gossipping shopping online while the CNAs do all

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Speaker 2: So I snapped some photos of her while she was

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Speaker 2: Now she suspended and under investigation. Some of the coworkers

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Speaker 2: say I broke the code and I should have kept

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Speaker 2: quiet because she is also a single mom, But honestly,

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Speaker 2: I don't care. Somebody had to stand up for the CNAs.

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Speaker 2: Am I wrong?

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Speaker 1: Wow? Okay, judge key key, what say you? Okay? You

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Speaker 1: know whether you're a CNA or nursing assistant. Yes, so

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Speaker 1: that would be like an understudy to a nurse. It's

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Speaker 1: clear that I understand the difference. Oh yes, so.

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Speaker 2: There's different levels, but there's different levels at every job.

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Speaker 2: And my issue here is that I don't I will

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Speaker 2: say this, I don't think you're wrong for reporting her

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Speaker 2: to management. Why because her not helping you, first of

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Speaker 2: all with the patient, and then her falling asleep on

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Speaker 1: You shouldn't be falling asleep at work. I think I

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Speaker 1: think all nurses would agree with that. If you are,

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Speaker 1: unless it's unless you're working a long shift, and there's

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Speaker 1: like if you're working and they do work long shift, right,

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Speaker 1: and if you're giving break where you're allowed to sleep.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, if you're at your desk asleep when

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Speaker 2: And so that's my issue, right, So I don't think

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Speaker 2: you're wrong for reporting her because one, she didn't help

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Speaker 2: But then also she's fallen asleep on the job. So no,

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Speaker 2: I don't think you're wrong for reporting her. And I

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Speaker 2: My sister is a nurse and that she would help anybody.

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Speaker 2: This is a singular problem situation. But you know, for

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Speaker 1: It's like, no, you are because you have to, because

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Speaker 1: two ways to look at this, but not being a

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Speaker 1: team player is not the answer. Jessica, you're a nurse.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I am a nurse.

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Speaker 1: So what do you think when you hear this story

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Speaker 1: in kiki'schord.

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Speaker 3: I'm not surprised because I see it every day. I've

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Speaker 3: been a nurse almost twenty years. I'm an agency nurse,

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Speaker 3: so I'm all across Illinois. I go to about sixty facilities.

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Speaker 3: I'll work first, second, an third shift, of course, not

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Speaker 3: at the same time, but I see this everywhere I go,

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Speaker 3: more than I should, because this is literally a daily

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Speaker 3: to the point, yes, even to the point where nursing

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Speaker 3: tell you like, no, you cannot shadow me.

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Speaker 4: I don't have time for this.

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Speaker 1: They're mean, well, let me ask you this in your

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Speaker 1: both sides of this because again, I'll say it one

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Speaker 1: more time. Being a team player, I would especially in

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Speaker 1: But do you graduate from some tasks at some point

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Speaker 1: and don't You don't?

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Speaker 3: As a human you do not.

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Speaker 5: But in the culture nursing.

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Speaker 3: Oh please is they'll tell you I don't do that. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I heard it every day?

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Speaker 1: Fair enough? Thank you, Thank you, Jessica. I appreciate your

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Speaker 1: perspective and thanks for listening. Have a good day.

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Speaker 4: Sure, thank you too.

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Speaker 1: Hm. Is it to y'alla?

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Speaker 4: Yes, it is?

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Speaker 1: Hi good morning, so Kicky's court. Basically, there's a CNA

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Speaker 1: writing in saying that you know, a particular senior nurse

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Speaker 6: You know what, I believe that a nursing care everybody

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Speaker 6: it's what have you done to make your residence lives better?

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Speaker 6: You'll be appreciated by the families. Your resident will thank you,

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Speaker 6: the patient will thank you for making them feel better.

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Speaker 6: It is a marriage at work. It's a work marriage

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Speaker 6: type of thing. And I don't condone nurses slipping on

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Speaker 6: the job. You have a right to clock out. Go

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Speaker 6: sit in your car, take a ten minute and nap.

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Speaker 6: Come back you complete, because if you are needed in

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Speaker 4: You got to be awake to do what you need

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Speaker 4: to do.

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Speaker 1: All right, understood, Thank you, have a good day, you too,

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Speaker 1: Glad you called? So Nancy? Is it acy? Is it acy? Yes?

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Speaker 1: It's measynacy. How are you doing? Easy? So what you

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Speaker 1: heard the story? And you think it was bogus that

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Speaker 1: the CNA took the picture.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I think it was bogus that the CNA took

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Speaker 5: the picture. That's our livelihood and that's the way that

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Speaker 5: you take care of her children, now, soul. She had

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Speaker 5: been helping, absolutely, because that is all of our patients.

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Speaker 5: But no, you can't take no picture of her, make

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Speaker 5: this young lady lose her job. That's not right.

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Speaker 1: Should you But should you be sleeping? I'm sorry, Kiki,

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Speaker 1: but should you be sleeping at work? If you're not

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Speaker 4: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 5: You should not be sleeping. So they were both wrong.

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Speaker 5: They were They were both grown. But at the end

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Speaker 5: I'm not gonna say I won't say that. But at

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Speaker 1: But the other face, let me say this, so storry

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Speaker 5: She shouldn't be surprised, She should have looked for this

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's a group.

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Speaker 5: I guess you got fair enough.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, have a good day. I gotta say a

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Speaker 1: turn your radio down? Please?

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Speaker 6: You surprised?

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Speaker 1: call Hello, Hi, good morning, Hinda cool. What did you

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Speaker 7: I definitely would have you know, I've seen this happen

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Speaker 1: Hey? Hey, what do you say? What's say?

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Speaker 6: You?

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Speaker 1: Are the jury? Antiki score? What do you think? Final?

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Speaker 4: acting as if they are above CNA's We all work together.

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Speaker 1: I'm asking this question because I don't know whatever level

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Speaker 4: No, absolutely not. I'll work together. We all help each

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Speaker 4: It's a team effort.

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Speaker 1: a good day.