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Speaker 1: Pushkin. Four or five months before My Trees disappeared, her

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Speaker 1: girlfriend Desiree, began to have a recurring dream. There's a

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Speaker 2: But I can't find her, and so I'm running through

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Speaker 1: Desiree was so affected by this dream that she did

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Speaker 1: something totally out of character. She got a tattoo.

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Speaker 2: So it's really abstract of a face kind of coming

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Speaker 1: The tattoo stretches from Desiree's ribs to her navel. It's

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Speaker 1: my Teresa's face, one almond shaped eye, a pair of

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Speaker 1: bright red lips, partially obscured by swirls of fog, and stars.

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Speaker 1: Underneath My Teresa's lips is the word princess. That was

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Speaker 1: one of Desire's nicknames for her. Was she flattered?

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Speaker 3: She was? She was.

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Speaker 2: I think that she was still a little disappointed that

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Speaker 2: it wasn't her name, just because I mean, she had

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Speaker 2: she had a little ego about it. And I call

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Speaker 2: her princess, but it was like two handed.

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Speaker 1: In retrospect, the dream seems like a premonition. My teres

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Speaker 2: And I had no idea that it was going to

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Speaker 1: My Trees was found on August ninth, twenty ten. She'd

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Speaker 1: been missing for eleven months. People had been searching for

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Speaker 1: was entirely unexpected. Here's the story as law enforcement told it.

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Speaker 1: There was aknown illegal marijuana grow in Dark Canyon. It

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Speaker 1: had been discovered in two thousand and nine. Before My

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Speaker 1: The following summer, some of these rangers returned to see

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Speaker 1: ranger believed they might have found my Terce Richardson. What

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Speaker 1: happened next was a communication meltdown that turned into a

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Speaker 1: That led to a public dispute between the Sheriff's department

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Speaker 1: of law enforcement. But while so much attention was trained

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Speaker 1: and this is Lost Hills, Episode six, reconnaissance.

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Speaker 3: So now we're heading back pretty much over Melbolt Canyon,

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Speaker 3: and we'll go back towards I'll show you the Montanito area.

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Speaker 1: Five years ago, when I started looking into my Teresa's case,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is Montanito area down here, and this is

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Speaker 1: The sides of the canyon fell away beneath us at

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Speaker 1: On one wall of the canyon, the rock face was

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Speaker 3: Oh? Show see the middle area there with the most trees.

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Speaker 3: The shadow cuts right through it. Yep, right in there,

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Speaker 1: To shock us, Starwell, who'd been helping my Teresa's family

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Speaker 4: was a partially mummified skeletal remains naked found in Montanito.

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Speaker 1: She let the family know. My Terce's aunt called Lieutenant Rawson,

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Speaker 1: Now that there was a body in the Sheriff's Department's jurisdiction.

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Speaker 1: It's known as the Porn Ranch because they shoot a

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Speaker 4: So we get out there, the media is there. It's

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Speaker 1: Finally, as the sun was setting, they saw a helicopter

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Speaker 4: And then, to shock us, looked up and said, hey, look,

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Speaker 1: When they got to the station, there was a briefing.

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Speaker 1: Two days later, the assistant Chief coroner, Ed Winter called

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Speaker 4: So we were kind of just waiting for the phone call,

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Speaker 4: and we knew it was her. I mean, the way

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Speaker 1: This was the horrible news my Teresa's friends and family

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Speaker 1: But that's not what happened.

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Speaker 4: So then they had a press conference and said it

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Speaker 3: It's likely that we can never find out exactly how

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Speaker 1: This attitude, will never know what happened. It's impossible to

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Speaker 1: responsible for solving crimes. But the autopsy conducted on August eleventh,

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Speaker 1: two days after the remains were found, had discovered no trauma.

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Speaker 1: My Teresa's cause of death was ruled undetermined, and because

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Speaker 1: that my Teres, in the midst of a bipolar episode,

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Speaker 1: But for many reasons, her friends and family had a

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Speaker 1: hard time believing that. They didn't believe the autopsy. They

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Speaker 1: the Sheriff's Department had intentionally botched the recovery of my

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Speaker 1: They didn't even believe the story of how the remains

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Speaker 1: nothing connected to the search words my Terce Richardson remains, cannabis,

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Speaker 1: my Teres Richardson investigation. Michael Richardson, my Teres's father, was

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Speaker 1: three hundred miles away when my Teres's remains were found.

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Speaker 5: I just knew it was a deviation plot to get

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Speaker 1: He thinks law enforcement deliberately sent him to Las Vegas

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Speaker 5: Lee Barka said, well, it was getting dark and we

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Speaker 5: by sweeping or remains in a plastic bag, flying it

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Speaker 5: which contaminated the crime scene, and by them tampering with it,

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Speaker 5: we don't know if my Trees was killed elsewhere and

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Speaker 1: If this seems like an elaborate conspiracy theory, I get it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not convinced by Michael's version of events, but considering

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Speaker 3: Arrived at it.

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Speaker 1: According to an official timeline, my Teres's remains were discovered

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Speaker 1: but the coroner's team never came because the helicopter that

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Speaker 1: times to rescue stranded teenage hikers. The helicopter had just

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Speaker 1: Quite frankly, Detective Macelderry argued that leaving the remains overnight

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Speaker 6: Under the law, the corners ultimately have the authority to

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Speaker 1: He's an expert in law forcement procedures, policies, and officer wrongdoing.

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Speaker 1: Does this case stand out for you for any reason?

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Speaker 6: The unique set of circumstances, for sure, the tragic outcome

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Speaker 1: In twenty twelve, Janako produced a report for the Office

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Speaker 6: It was extraordinary the degree of disconnect in this case.

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Speaker 1: Do not Go and his staff reviewed all the materials

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Speaker 6: And as indicated in the report, there was some communication

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Speaker 1: Dunako was able to determine that the removal of the

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Speaker 6: And the reason that we write about it, and the

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Speaker 1: And there was more after the autopsy. The coroner accidentally

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Speaker 6: That was also a mess. That's a legal term, by

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Speaker 1: But that certainly would have led the family to feel

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Speaker 6: That, because I don't have any other explanation for how

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Speaker 1: But just as my Teresa's family didn't think she walked

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Speaker 1: The Sheriff's department, working hastily against the dying light, had

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Speaker 1: He sent a box of chicken bones to Sheriff Lee Baca.

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Speaker 5: So the way that they took my trees remains and

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Speaker 1: Even after the coroner's team searched Dark Canyon, there were

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Speaker 4: So we had wanted to go hike back into the site.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Ronda Hampton again.

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Speaker 4: So finally I'm I called Liebaka and so we have

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Speaker 1: In November of twenty ten, three months after my Rise

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Speaker 1: It was a grueling hike. At one point they had

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Speaker 1: Looking around, doctor Hampton felt a rush of anger. People

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Speaker 4: When we were down there. There were food wrappers. Certainly

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Speaker 4: When we were down there, I had already arranged for

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Speaker 1: Doctor Hampton started sifting through the leaves.

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Speaker 1: A few months later, in February of twenty eleven, the

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Speaker 1: This is doctor Lisa Shinen, the forensic pathologist who performed

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Speaker 7: They wanted to go back one more time that I

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Speaker 7: My heart was in my throat the whole time, because

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Speaker 1: The terrain was forbidding it.

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Speaker 7: It was not pretty. Is extremely overgrown, a very irregular terrain.

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Speaker 7: We did? We found several additional remains, mostly small bones.

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Speaker 1: the throat that often breaks during strangulation. There was no

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Speaker 1: of forensic evidence that would change her cause of death

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Speaker 1: from undetermined to homicide, but the coroners didn't find it.

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Speaker 1: Sergeant Dewey Wrights had many opportunities to think about my

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Speaker 1: Teresa's death. He visited the site numerous times back then.

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Speaker 1: He thought what everyone in law enforcement thought.

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Speaker 3: A lot of us had the opinion that my Trees

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Speaker 3: had some kind of a mental breakdown, that she somehow

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Speaker 3: got up in Dark Canyon, and that she somehow died

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Speaker 3: from exposure of some type or possibly something else like rattlesnaks.

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Speaker 3: There's feminist spiders, things like that.

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Speaker 1: He concluded that she'd wanted to die, otherwise she would

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Speaker 1: have walked back out the way she'd come in. And

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Speaker 1: remains were found that made him think my Trees hadn't

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Speaker 1: wanted to be rescued. It was so close to the

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Speaker 3: And when I was standing where the remains were found,

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Speaker 3: I could hear the dogs that were owned by those

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Speaker 3: people that was called the porn Ranch. So that tells

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Speaker 3: me if I can hear their dogs barking, they could

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Speaker 3: hear her yelling if she needs help, if she's screaming

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Speaker 3: in the middle of the night, I would think that

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Speaker 3: it's possible, very possible that that location or might hear her.

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Speaker 3: So it led me believe that she just didn't want

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Speaker 1: Sergeant Wright figured my trees hadn't needed help. But to me,

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Speaker 1: the fact that the people at the porn ranch didn't

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Speaker 1: hear a call for help could mean something else. Not

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Speaker 1: that she didn't scream, but that she couldn't. What if

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Speaker 1: whoever had taken her there strangled her, or what if

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Speaker 1: by the time she got into Dark Canyon she was

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Speaker 1: already dead? Next time on Lost.

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Speaker 3: Hills, do you think somebody could have taken her?

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Speaker 5: Or you know what if somebody took her and did

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Speaker 5: whatever they did, I think they would.

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Speaker 3: Have had to have come back with more than one person.

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Speaker 3: Did drag that body down to where it was? She's

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Speaker 3: two miles up on the man you want to go

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Speaker 3: up through? I'm yeah, sure.

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Speaker 1: That's next in episode seven in the Shit. Lost Hills

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Speaker 1: is written and hosted by Me Dana Goodyear. It was

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Speaker 1: reported by me and Hailey Fox, our senior producer. The

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