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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We are in a verdict.

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Speaker 2: Watch here at Crime Stories as we wait for the

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Speaker 2: Shaw Andcrims jury to hand down a verdict.

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Speaker 1: Let's go straight to the courthouse.

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Speaker 2: Standing by Lauren Conlin, investigative reporter, our host of Pop

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Speaker 2: Crime TV. Lauren, thank you for being with us. What

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Speaker 2: exactly happened?

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Speaker 3: Mark Agnifolo's closing argument had a much different style than

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Speaker 3: the government's. He spoke to the jury kind of like

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Speaker 3: he was talking to a friend. He really thanked them

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Speaker 3: for their time. And his first really big statement here

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Speaker 3: was this case or this trial is the tale of

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Speaker 3: two trials, told by the mouths of the witnesses, text messages,

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Speaker 3: videos and evidence.

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Speaker 4: That's one trial. The second trial is different.

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Speaker 3: The second trial is told by the mouths of the prosecutors.

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Speaker 3: And he also went on to say that this case

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Speaker 3: is so very badly exaggerated. What do you see from evidence?

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Speaker 3: You see personal use of drugs, You see personal nights

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Speaker 3: with girlfriends, nothing else. And the prosecutors have charged this

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Speaker 3: man with the most complicated charge on the.

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Speaker 4: Books here Rico.

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Speaker 3: So he again he goes into a lot of different

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Speaker 3: detail and he goes out of order a bit with

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Speaker 3: the charges. He went over the kidnapping predicate and then

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Speaker 3: skipped over to the arson predicate before he finished the

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Speaker 3: kidnapping predicate. So I think for some of us it

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Speaker 3: was a little tough to follow. But and really the

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Speaker 3: these for the kidnapping, for example, he really tried to

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Speaker 3: disprove Capricorn Clark saying that Sean Colmes had a gun,

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Speaker 3: and he said, look, I'll give you five reasons why

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Speaker 3: he didn't have a gun, and the biggest, the biggest

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Speaker 3: re here is why would he have a gun? You know,

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Speaker 3: Capricorn Clark didn't need a gun to go with Shawn Colmes.

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Speaker 3: She said she had a crush on him. And he

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Speaker 3: also said the biggest reason was actually because kid Cutty

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Speaker 3: on the stand testified that when Capricorn called him, she

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Speaker 3: never said that there was a gun, and that would

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Speaker 4: He also brought up the fact that she told.

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Speaker 3: Lauren London on the phone she wanted to escape the car,

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Speaker 3: but she was scared of mountain lions.

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Speaker 4: Not the gun, but mountain lions.

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Speaker 3: He also went pretty pretty hard on Cassie. He admitted

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Speaker 3: the domestic violence he said, yes, that is awful and

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Speaker 3: this was a regrettable action. I'm paraphrasing, but he also said,

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Speaker 3: you know, if you're looking at this case, who's the

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Speaker 3: winner here? Cassie's sitting on thirty million dollars and Sean

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Speaker 3: Colmes is in jail. He also said that Cassie really

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Speaker 3: was Sean Colmes's match and that she knew what she

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Speaker 3: was doing at certain times when she was dating kid Cutty.

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Speaker 3: At the same time, he said, you know, Cassie, kid

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Speaker 3: Cutty said that Cassie played us both and that's that now.

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Speaker 3: He also he also talked about the serteam search and

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Speaker 3: he was extremely sarcastic in this and he said, ooh,

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Speaker 3: look at all the baby oil they seized. The world

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Speaker 3: is a better place, the streets are safer because of

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Speaker 3: all of this astroblide, and the jury seemed to be

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Speaker 3: laughing a bit and smiling here. What else, Oh, he

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Speaker 3: talked about how the domestic violence that Cassie experienced at

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Speaker 3: the Intercontinental Hotel. He actually said that you know this,

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Speaker 3: this is a misdemeanor here and the government actually had

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Speaker 3: an objection to this during the break and said, yeah,

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Speaker 3: they misstated the law and ag Nicholo said, look, all

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Speaker 4: Say here is that this is a state charge. Is

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Speaker 3: Additionally, during the break, Maureen Comi did also raise two

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Speaker 3: other issues she had besides misstating the law. She she

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Speaker 3: that Mark Agniffolo looked at the jury and said, why

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Speaker 3: would the government, why would they why would they charge

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Speaker 3: him with this? Why would they do this? Well, Comey said,

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Speaker 3: he's not charged with kidnapping. This is a predicate act,

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Speaker 3: onder Rico, and he misstated that. And also she kind

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Speaker 3: of said, you know, it's it's not the jury's job

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Speaker 3: Agniffolo said, you know, I think it's fair to that

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Speaker 3: But initially the judge decided that he would give these

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Speaker 3: They asked that these instructions should be given after he's finished.

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Speaker 3: You know this is clearly you shouldn't be profit or basically,

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Speaker 3: the defense doesn't have the right to ask you why

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Speaker 3: you think someone was charged. Again, he didn't say that,

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Speaker 3: I am paraphrasing, but it was.

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Speaker 1: It was a moment.

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Speaker 4: It did feel like he was getting scolded.

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Speaker 2: The trial that has taken weeks culminates with closing arguments.

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Speaker 1: Let's just revisit what happened.

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Speaker 2: The raids by the Feds by HSI Homeland Security investigators.

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Speaker 2: Much of the PC probable cause was gleaned from multiple

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Speaker 2: lawsuits filed against Combs.

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Speaker 1: Now that's not just from what we're learning.

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Speaker 2: Combs's own lawyer spoke out in a very unfortunate statement

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Speaker 2: for Combs, you never reveal your thinking prior to a trial,

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Speaker 2: but the lawyer did. What are they saying that all

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Speaker 2: these victims are lying? I mean, think about it. No

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Speaker 2: one wants to see the demise of a superstar, but

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Speaker 2: our superstars to be held above the law, because I

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Speaker 2: say no, this is what we know happened.

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Speaker 1: Listen to Sidney Summer crime Online.

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Speaker 5: Large teams of law enforcement, led by Homeland Security investigators

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Speaker 5: rated three homes belonging to Sean Diddy Combs in Los

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Speaker 5: Angeles and Miami as part of a sex trafficking investigation

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Speaker 5: stemming from accusations leveled against Combs in five separate lawsuits

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Speaker 5: brought against him. The latest suit, filed in February by

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Speaker 5: music producer Rodney Lilrod Jones, details frequent drug use, of shooting,

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Speaker 5: and several accounts of sex assault while working with Combs

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Speaker 5: on the Love album.

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Speaker 1: But there's more, and I can tell you this much.

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Speaker 2: When the fans roll up and armored vehicles wearing kevlar,

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Speaker 2: that's not good for you.

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Speaker 1: That's not good at all. We're hearing a lot of

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Speaker 1: whining this morning by.

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Speaker 2: The defense about, oh, they messed up the inside of

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Speaker 2: his house.

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Speaker 1: Boohoo. Listen to Dave Matt Crime Online.

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Speaker 6: In the seventy three page document, Jones claims that Combs

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Speaker 6: forced him to solicit sex workers and perform sex acts

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Speaker 6: with them as Combs looked on. Jones also alleges the

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Speaker 6: rapper through parties he called freak offs, during which underage

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Speaker 6: Comb's son Justin. Producer Stevie Jay, and associate Brendan Paul

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Speaker 6: suit goes on to say that Comb's access to major celebrities, athletes,

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Speaker 6: and even British royals such as Prince Harry gave him

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Speaker 6: and his followers legitimacy.

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Speaker 2: With me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we know right now, but for a straight out.

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Speaker 2: To Kila Brantley, joining US investigative reporter dailymail dot com,

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Speaker 2: cal thank you for being with us. Tell me what

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Speaker 2: happened because we saw simultaneous raids. A lot has been

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Speaker 2: made of that. Hold on, just a second kill one.

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Speaker 2: Let me go to Nima Romani joining US high profile

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Speaker 2: lawyer and more importantly, former federal prosecutor, a president of

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Speaker 2: the West Coast Trial Lawyers Association and author of Harvard

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Speaker 2: to hashtag Nima, thank you for being with us. A

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Speaker 2: lot has been made and a lot of whining and

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Speaker 2: crying because there were multiple raids that went.

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Speaker 1: Down simultaneously, Boo who.

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Speaker 2: The reason that happens is so when you get raised

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Speaker 2: in LA, you can't call your peeps in Miami. Go quick, quick, quick,

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Speaker 2: hide one, two, three and four, destroy five, six, seven,

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Speaker 2: and eight, and ps run for the hills as if

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Speaker 2: you had seen a monster. That's why it's got to

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Speaker 2: be very carefully orchestrated and timed, very organized to go

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Speaker 2: down at the same time for that very reason.

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Speaker 7: Ni, Nancy, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 8: And the raid in Los Angeles took place about a

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Speaker 8: mile from where I'm sitting right now. I live close

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Speaker 8: I used to work with him. I respect him, but

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Speaker 8: I think he's making that argument for the court of

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Speaker 8: public opinion more than the courtroom.

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Speaker 7: And you're right, there's three reasons why federal agents go

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Speaker 7: in and they go aggressively. One, there's always a threat

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Speaker 1: And did he.

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Speaker 7: Reportedly has a lot of weapons.

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Speaker 8: Agents need to make sure that no one flees the jurisdiction,

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Speaker 8: evidence isn't destroyed. That's why the raids are executed simultaneously.

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Speaker 8: When they are individuals are removed from the home, they're cough,

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Speaker 8: they're detained. No one was arrested, but Diddy was treated

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Speaker 8: just like any other criminal defendant or target of an

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Speaker 8: investigation when these search warrants are executed.

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Speaker 2: Guys, what do you expect the HSI Homeland Security investigators

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Speaker 2: to be the minute made and clean up after a search.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not happening, guys.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing what people will do to hide contraband or evidence.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about videos, potential videos of underage girls and

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Speaker 2: boys in the middlesex acts now number one. An underaged

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Speaker 2: for Pete's sake, where he urinated on a teen girl.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not consensual. I don't care what she said

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Speaker 2: Videos that could easily be hidden even if they are

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Speaker 1: For all I know, they're just on a computer.

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Speaker 2: That's why every computer, every laptop, every phone, every iPad,

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Speaker 2: everything has to be seized. Seawancom's listed by the FEDS.

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Speaker 2: In a luxe hotel in the dark of night now

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Speaker 2: in federal custody. I mean to see Grace. This is

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Speaker 2: Prime Stories. Thank you for being with us today.

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Speaker 9: I'm announcing the unsealing of a three count indictment charging

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Speaker 9: Shawn Combs with racketeering, conspiracy, sex trafficking, interstate transportation for prostitution.

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Speaker 9: The indictment alleges that between at least two thousand and

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Speaker 9: eight and the present Comb's abuse threatened and coerce victims

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Speaker 9: to fulfill his sexual desires, protect his reputation, and conceal

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Speaker 9: his conduct. As a legend of the indictment, to carry

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Speaker 9: out this conduct, Shawn Combs led and participated in a

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Speaker 9: racketeering conspiracy that used the business empire he controlled to

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Speaker 9: carry out criminal activity including sex trafficking, force labor, kidnapping, arson, bribery,

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Speaker 9: and the obstruction of justice.

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Speaker 2: And we have just gotten our hands on the federal indictment.

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Speaker 2: But first let's talk about what went down in the

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Speaker 2: dark of night. Sean Puffy Comb's seen out on the

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Speaker 2: street in New York just thirty minutes before Fed's break

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Speaker 2: into his luxury suite at the Park Hyatt Hotel on

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Speaker 2: fifty seventh Street and arrest Combs. And proceed to shred

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Speaker 2: that hotel room looking for evidence. Joining me right now

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Speaker 2: at the hotel just outside the Park Hyatt is crimeonline

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Speaker 2: dot Com investigative reporter Angelica Martinez. Angelica, thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us. Tell me what happened right there?

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Speaker 10: Yes, Nancy, we are currently outside the high end hotel

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Speaker 10: in the Park Hyatt Hotel where Sean Puffy Combs was arrested.

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Speaker 10: He was arrested following a indictment that was returned by

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Speaker 2: We understand that Fed's pursue it to warrant went into Combs'

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Speaker 2: I know they were poised outside the Park Hyatt Hotel

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Speaker 2: where you're standing right now, Angelica, waiting for him to

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Speaker 10: Yes, So, Apparently negotiations for Shaw combs surrender had been

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Speaker 2: Sources, Angelica, I think I know what may have prompted

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Speaker 1: You know, you're about.

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Speaker 2: Twenty thirty minutes from Teterborough private airstrip.

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Speaker 1: Combs has money. You can get on a private.

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Speaker 2: Plane without a passport, now where you can land without

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Speaker 2: one as a whole another can of worms. But if

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Speaker 2: they got win that he was leaving with all of

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Speaker 2: his money and access to private planes, that's the time

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Speaker 2: you make the arrest ahead of time. Joining me there

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Speaker 2: let's open it up to the panel. And the last

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Speaker 2: few moments we caught the lawyer, the defense attorney, Agna Fellow,

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Speaker 2: and he states his client is going to be released.

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Speaker 2: Do you really believe that Sean Puffy Combs is going

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Speaker 2: lawyer Nima Romani, former federal prosecutor, President West Coast Trial

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Speaker 2: Quick question regarding bond. Now we know that Combs was

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Speaker 1: You know his lawyer is.

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Speaker 2: Going to make a big play for him to get

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Speaker 2: do I say that, because when you don't know a horse, Nima,

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Speaker 2: look at his track record that has been his INMO

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Speaker 2: since the get go. Hey you're raiding my house, No problem.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's him.

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Speaker 2: That's his momo to act like nothing is wrong and

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Speaker 2: With Nancy Grace, we are in a verdict. Watch for

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Speaker 2: the show andcomers jury to hand down a verdict. Let's

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Speaker 2: just revisit what happened, pe Daddy.

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Speaker 11: We saw the video of you brutally beating and kicking

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Speaker 1: Now, apology not accepted. I'll see you in court.

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Speaker 12: It's so difficult to reflect on the darkest times in

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Speaker 12: I had rock bottom, but I made no excuses. My

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Speaker 7: I'm so sorry, but.

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Speaker 12: I'm committed to be a better managent every day. I'm

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Speaker 7: I'm truly sorry.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but he looks like he's

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Speaker 2: reading to me all that I'm sorry, technical legal term

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Speaker 1: He's not sorry he did it. He's sorry he got caught.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen the video? Now?

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Speaker 2: How is it at that time no charges were filed

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Speaker 2: and you know hotel security saw the whole thing. Do

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Speaker 2: you believe his apology? Is it not a day late

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Speaker 2: and a dollar short? Well, apparently other people agree with me.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 5: According to Ernest Owens, Sean Ditty Combs is only apologizing

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Speaker 5: pointing out that Combs does not acknowledge Cassie Ventura by

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Speaker 5: video has changed his tune. Owen says it is hard

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Speaker 5: to take anything Diddy says seriously following several prior written

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Speaker 5: attacks on his accusers.

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Speaker 1: Now what written attacks are we talking about? I got

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Speaker 1: to tell you something.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of criminal defense attorneys out there.

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Speaker 2: This one will win your case, Ben Broffman. That's where

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Speaker 2: you go when there's nowhere to go, Ben Broffman. He's

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Speaker 2: representing Sean Comb's aka Ditty.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 5: Cassie Ventura's lawsuit against Ditty includes a very specific event

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Speaker 5: from March of twenty sixteen, where Ventura alleges that Ditty

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Speaker 5: people in a statement that comes vehemently denies these offensive

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Speaker 2: Now, remember the lawyer is the mouthpiece for the defendant.

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Speaker 2: The lawyer doesn't say anything that the defendant doesn't want said.

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Speaker 2: So when you hear Brafman saying, oh, Cassie Ventira, is

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Speaker 2: she just wants money? Nothing happened to her? This is bs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, We've seen the video and all of his denying

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Speaker 1: That's what he says about all the women that are

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Speaker 1: claiming he abused them. They all want a payday.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe that anymore. With me an all star

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Speaker 2: panel to makes sense of what we know right now.

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Speaker 2: But for straight out to Keela Brantley, investigative reporter dailymail

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Speaker 2: dot com on the case from the beginning. You know,

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Speaker 2: I think this is just the beginning, Kila, But bring

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Speaker 13: Absolutely, Nancy, And as you said, Ditty's only apologizing right

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Speaker 13: now because he got caught. Everyone sees right through that apology,

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Speaker 13: including Cassie Ventura, who released a statement via her lawyer

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Speaker 13: only our Cassie is saying that he's only compelled to

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Speaker 13: you very well may know that abusers, it's not just

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Speaker 13: an isolated incident. We can assume that this has happened before.

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Speaker 13: Cassie did speak about this exact incident back in her

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Speaker 13: to never be released. Obviously, now we know CNN has

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Speaker 2: Keala Brantley, I think you're exactly correct.

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Speaker 6: Listen, Cassie Ventura escaped Shawn Combs by getting on the

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Speaker 6: As she returns, hotel security staff urged her to get

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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel.

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Speaker 2: In addition to Kialab Brantley from dailymail dot com straight

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Speaker 2: out to Sam d'ordulian, sex assault lawyer and former LA

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Speaker 2: County six crimes felony prosecutor, founder of the Dordullion Law Group, Sam,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. You know, before the

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Speaker 2: video was pervasive. No matter where you go, there's a

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Speaker 2: can't prove that. Now we have a video. So the

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Speaker 2: fallback is, let's say the video was doctored, the video

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Speaker 2: was tampered with, or I'm sorry, I'm a different man now.

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Speaker 2: I'm praying for forgiveness. I'm praying to be a better man.

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Speaker 14: Really, you know what's disgusting, Nancy, is that's what you

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Speaker 14: hear all the time is that I'm sorry. But why

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Speaker 1: Joining me out of Florida.

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Speaker 2: A high profile private investigator, former Federal Task Force, US

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Speaker 2: Department of Justice, also with the DEA, joining me. Robert

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Speaker 2: Crispin from Crispin Special Investigations. Robert, I'm sure you having

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Speaker 2: dealt with this same scenario many many times as a

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Speaker 1: People pay off hotel staff all the time.

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Speaker 2: And right now the word we're getting from inside the

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Speaker 1: What about it, Crispin? How easy is that to do?

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Speaker 15: Well?

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Speaker 16: You know, listen, money talks, and this is probably not

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Speaker 16: they know of their back covering their tracks. It's an

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Speaker 2: Sadly enough, so you think it's relatively easy to pay

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Speaker 2: It gets quote taped over, it gets lost, nobody can

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Speaker 2: But the kicker is they are not at a hotel

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Speaker 1: It's their private video.

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Speaker 2: They want to tape over it, they can unless somehow they.

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Speaker 2: And why would they tape over it if they didn't

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Speaker 16: Crispin, it's tampering with evidence. Cart Launch, it's tampering with evidence.

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Speaker 16: And anybody who gets involved in this case moving forward,

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Speaker 16: somebody off to get a video, you're catching an obstruction

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Speaker 16: tampering with evidence charge. Now, back in twenty sixteen when

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Speaker 16: they got that video, none of this probably got reported

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Speaker 7: Trust me to you KILB.

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Speaker 2: Brantley joining US investigative reporter dailymail dot com. Fifty grand

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Speaker 2: that's like ten dollars to me. It's like nothing to Combs.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what is his net worth?

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Speaker 13: Well, as Cassie said in the lawsuit, that the example

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Speaker 13: of fifty thousand dollars was absolutely nothing to him, and

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Speaker 13: it just shows his power and his influence. Now reportedly

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Speaker 13: did he's a billionaire and he has so many different

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Speaker 13: lines he has Sean John, he has Revolt, and not

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Speaker 13: only is he a music mogul, he's a fashion mogul

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Speaker 13: and has been a legend in this industry. So his

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Speaker 13: net worth is estimated around a billion dollars. Now, with

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Speaker 13: all these legal blows, who knows how much it's going

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Speaker 13: to go down to.

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Speaker 9: Holmes allegedly planned and controlled the sex performances, which he

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Speaker 9: called freak off.

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Speaker 2: Sean Puffy comes spending the night behind bars and whining

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Speaker 2: incessantly through his lawyers. We are analyzing evidence that has

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Speaker 2: come out in court. You know what, after the judge

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Speaker 2: heard this, he had a snowballs chance and h double

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Speaker 2: l of getting bond.

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Speaker 1: I mean you gotta know this.

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Speaker 2: All the judges they all have lunch together in a

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Speaker 2: big room sometimes the law library. There are court clerks

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Speaker 2: are in there. They see each other day in day out.

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Speaker 2: How is this judge gonna look at the other judges

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Speaker 2: in the eye and go, yeah, I gave Diddy a bond.

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Speaker 2: That was me in there because I don't have a spine. Now,

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Speaker 2: listen to this, This is what I learned in court. Now,

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Speaker 2: we've all seen the Cassie Ventira video of her running

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Speaker 2: away from Sean Combs in public in the hotel corridor.

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Speaker 2: He comes out practically button naked, wearing nothing but a towel.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't care. That doesn't bother him, So.

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Speaker 2: Entitled chases her down and beats the h el out

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Speaker 2: of her, kicking her, kicking her, kicking or dragging her.

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Speaker 2: Listen to this we have gotten a hold of through

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Speaker 2: prosecutors texts that he immediately sends her Listen to this

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Speaker 2: to Cassie, call me here. I got six kids, yo,

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Speaker 2: please call I'm surrounded. You're gonna abandon me all alone.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna abandon me all alone. This as we are

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Speaker 2: learning that Cassie Ventura was running from a freak off. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there was a sex worker in the room with Diddy,

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Speaker 2: and I guarantee you he was trying to film it,

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Speaker 2: the sex worker forcing Cassie to have sex. The defendant,

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Speaker 2: according to prosecutor Emily Johnson, knew he had done something

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Speaker 2: that could elicit police response.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's a nice way of saying he getting busted. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So she texts back, saying she still had horrible bruising

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Speaker 2: from the assault. Says, I'm not a rag doll. Now

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Speaker 2: I want to point out that they are. Now. The

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Speaker 2: defense attorney desperate is now saying Cassie Ventura was running away.

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Speaker 1: Because she was jealous.

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Speaker 2: She was jealous because she looked at Combs's phone and

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Speaker 2: saw he texted another woman. Right, She's so jealous she

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Speaker 2: runs out barefoot, trying to get away from him and

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Speaker 2: the sex worker that was still in the room.

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Speaker 1: Let's just start with that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what judge, and he's right his or her right

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Speaker 2: mind can go sit down to his tune of his

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Speaker 2: sandwich and eat lunch with the other judges looking at

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Speaker 2: him going, yeah, we know what you did.

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Speaker 1: You let this a hole at all bond listen to this.

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Speaker 6: Sean Combs is back inside the walls of Metropolitan Detention

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Speaker 6: Center after US District Judge Andrew Carter Junior denied Comb's

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Speaker 6: appeal of his Raman may Judge Robin F. Tronowski initially

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Speaker 6: denied the rapper's bail Tuesday, saying that Combs was a

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Speaker 6: danger quote, I don't know that you can trust yourself

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Speaker 6: not to harm people. The defense proposed that Combs live

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Speaker 6: at home home alone in Florida, monitored by a twenty

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Speaker 6: four to seven security team. Combs offered to give up

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Speaker 6: any access to his cell phone or Internet. In the end,

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Speaker 6: Judge Carter Junior agreed with Judge Tarnowsky that quote, there

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Speaker 6: is no condition or combination of conditions to ensure he

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Speaker 6: will not obstruct justice or tamper with witnesses.

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Speaker 17: Music mogul and rap star Sean Diddy Combs hit with

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Speaker 17: lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit, but attorneys claim no matter

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Speaker 17: how many suits are filed, Combs is innocent, innocent.

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Speaker 2: Okay, He's getting paid plenty of money to say that,

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Speaker 2: but the defense attorney is completely deluded. He is even

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Speaker 2: claiming that Combs, Shawn Combs Diddy has had to go

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Speaker 2: into therapy because of the allegations made against him. Shawn

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Speaker 2: Comes is now the victim.

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Speaker 18: For bail appeal hearing Agnifilo submits an amended bail package,

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Speaker 18: Combs agrees to have no communication with women outside of

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Speaker 18: family members and the mothers of his children. To have

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Speaker 18: no contact with known grand jury witnesses referring to victim

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Speaker 18: Ie Cassandra Ventura, to use a private intelligence agency to

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Speaker 18: monitor him twenty four to seven Stage intelligence will ensure

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Speaker 18: he has no cell phone or internet access, administer weekly

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Speaker 18: drug tests and turn over a daily Visitor's log.

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Speaker 2: Are they crazy with me? Is IRV Brandt say? Former

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Speaker 2: Senior Inspector US Marshall Service.

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Speaker 1: Those are the guys that go all around the.

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Speaker 2: World to bring back felons for trial or that have absconded.

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Speaker 1: Author of a whole.

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Speaker 2: Series of books about Solo, Last One, Forever Solo, Not

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Speaker 2: of the Dragon. Hey, IRV, really, they're going to have

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Speaker 2: the same security guards protect Diddy that would take these

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Speaker 2: women to high out so they could wait till their

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Speaker 2: bruises healed before they went into public.

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Speaker 1: The same ones that got.

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Speaker 2: Sex workers from all over the world the country to

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Speaker 2: come in and rate women that had been drugged on video.

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Speaker 2: That those guys, and they're also going to perform weekly

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Speaker 2: urine tests.

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Speaker 1: You want to tell me they can't go take a

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Speaker 1: leak in a cup and put the name Sean Combs

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Speaker 1: on it.

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Speaker 2: Really, are they insane? Have you ever heard anything like

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Speaker 2: this bond package?

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Speaker 7: I have not, Nancy.

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Speaker 19: And it's not surprising that the defense was doing everything

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Speaker 19: they could to convince the judge because the burden shifted

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Speaker 19: from the prosecution to the defense because of the nature

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Speaker 19: of the charges and how much time that he was facing.

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Speaker 19: So It's obvious that the defense was just coming up

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Speaker 19: with anything that they could think of, any sorts of

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Speaker 19: conditions that might convince the judge to release them on bond,

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Speaker 19: and it just didn't work.

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace verdict watch, let's just revisit

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Speaker 2: the trial. What happened Diddy's ten million dollars defense starts

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Speaker 2: this as we learn the jury is in fear of

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Speaker 2: sitting on the Diddy trial.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us.

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Speaker 18: Cassie Ventura is set to take the stand, with prosecutors

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Speaker 18: expected to highlight a twenty sixteen hotel assault caught on video.

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Speaker 2: This trial of Sean Comes started early in a Manhattan courtroom.

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Speaker 2: A joining man all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we know right now. Straight out to Lauren Conlin,

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Speaker 2: joining US co host Pop Crime TV. Lauren, thank you

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Speaker 2: for being with us. Tell me about what happened first?

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Speaker 3: Today, pord began with Didty asking the judge for more

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Speaker 3: water or the judge said something like do you have

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Speaker 3: enough water?

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Speaker 4: And he said, could I have some Warrior on her?

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Speaker 3: Diddy appeared to be wearing a light cream colored sweater,

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Speaker 3: which I thought was a great choice for a defendant.

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Speaker 4: He had his glasses on.

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Speaker 3: He was looking through some paperwork at the beginning of

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Speaker 3: the morning, and he would turn around to smile at

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Speaker 3: his mom and wave to his family who were in

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Speaker 3: the front row. He gave a thumbs up at one point.

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Speaker 3: I actually saw Janis Colmbs, his mother, in the lobby.

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Speaker 3: She was wearing an all black suit a black purse,

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Speaker 3: and she looked like she was going to a funeral.

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Speaker 3: To be honest, I also want to point out that

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Speaker 3: when the jury walked in, Diddy did not take his

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Speaker 3: eyes off of them.

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Speaker 1: He watched their every move.

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Speaker 2: This, as we are learning, the jury is actually in fear.

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Speaker 2: In fact, the judge was afraid to impanel a jury

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Speaker 2: on Friday, thinking they would back out with cold fate

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Speaker 2: over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 20: The original plan was for selection to be completed on Friday,

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Speaker 20: but Diddy's lawyers asked for a delay, raising concerns more

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Speaker 20: jurors would get cold feet. Between Friday and Monday, the

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Speaker 20: court received an email from one potential juror asking to

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Speaker 20: be left off the panel for issues of personal well being.

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Speaker 20: According to the Combs team, prosecutors strongly opposed the delay.

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Speaker 20: Judge on runs Subramanian agreed with the defense.

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Speaker 2: Okay to Eric fattis veteran trial lawyer joining me out

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Speaker 2: of the Denver, Colorado jurisdiction partner Varner Fattus elite legal

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Speaker 2: former prosecutor. That's not good when the jury is afraid

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Speaker 2: to be in the box, the jury box.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, yikes. I mean, this is a high profile case.

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Speaker 21: There is a ton at stake, and Nancy, I'm Cyril

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Speaker 21: would call a judge actually declined to give Diddy bond

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Speaker 21: because there were concerns that he was engaged in witness

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Speaker 21: tampering or witness intimidation. Those same concerns could translate to

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Speaker 21: this jury and it could cause them to get old

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Speaker 21: feed or would otherwise be considering that when they're deciding

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Speaker 21: the case which savesen Broke.

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Speaker 2: It wouldn't be the first time that a jury had

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Speaker 2: been harassed, put in fear, or tampered with.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 20: John Gotti earned the nickname Teflon Dawn after he was

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Speaker 20: acquitted in multiple trials, likely due to jury tampering and

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Speaker 20: witness intimidation. This seems to be confirmed when a juror

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Speaker 20: who helped to quit Gody in a racketeering case, was

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Speaker 20: convicted of taking a bribe. Jimmy Hoffel was also charged

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Speaker 20: with unlawfully, wilfully and knowingly conspiring with six co conspirators

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Speaker 20: to influence members of a jury. He was accused of

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Speaker 20: offering ten thousand dollars to the families of two jurors

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Speaker 20: for an acquittal vote, and offering to get the police

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Speaker 20: husband of another juror a promotion. Clarence Darrow was in

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Speaker 20: the company of his chief investigator when the two men

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Speaker 20: were arrested for bribery. Darrow was defending brothers on bombing charges.

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Speaker 20: Police say Darrow's investigator passed four thousand dollars to a

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Speaker 20: prospective jury member for a not guilty vote.

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Speaker 1: You would have to be living under a.

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Speaker 2: Rock in a cave on the other side of the

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Speaker 2: world not to know that. There are allegations that Sean

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Speaker 2: Combs ordered a hit our murder on Tupac Shaker Listen

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Speaker 2: Dwayne Keethy.

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Speaker 6: D Davis claims credit for Tupac's murder on beet and

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Speaker 6: in his memoir, he says Puffy Combs wanted Knight and

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Speaker 6: Tupac's heads after their disc track hit them up. When

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Speaker 6: Davis offers to carry out the hits. Combs agrees to

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Speaker 6: pay him one million dollars. Davis Anderson, Terrence Brown, and

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Speaker 6: DeAndre Smith stake out the club where Shakur is performing,

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Speaker 6: but Tupac's a no show. Driving down the strip, they

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Speaker 6: spot Night and Tupac stopped in traffic. Brown flips a

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Speaker 6: U turn in their white Cadillac. Davis passes Anderson the gun,

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Speaker 6: and Anderson leans over Smith to shoot Tupac.

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Speaker 7: We wiped you, oh quick?

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 7: Who brought up the amount of one million dollars?

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Speaker 21: Ed Puffy Biggie or involved in any of these conversations?

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Speaker 15: You know?

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Speaker 7: As always, just.

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Speaker 21: This is all you do.

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Speaker 2: It straight out to Robert Crispin, joining US private investigator,

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Speaker 2: former Federal Task Force officer US d o J also

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Speaker 2: with Deea now at Crispin Special Investigations. Crispin, thank you

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Speaker 2: for being with us your state. Out in front of

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Speaker 2: Ditty's home there in Florida where it all started with

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Speaker 2: the bust. I want to hear how the neighbors are

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Speaker 2: taking today. But more important, you think if this jury

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Speaker 2: has seen the Cassie video and they all have an

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Speaker 2: opinion on it, you think they don't know about the

657
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Speaker 2: hit on Tupac's you caur.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, that's going to kind of tie it in, isn't

659
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Speaker 16: it And they're going to wonder, like, boy, that's kind

660
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Speaker 16: of interesting. But you know, Nancy, I'm coming to you

661
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Speaker 16: live out in front of Diddy's house here in Star

662
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Speaker 16: Island in Miami Beach, and if today is any indication

663
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Speaker 16: of what's going on in Diddy's world as his trial starts,

664
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Speaker 16: it's a dark, rainy day. The neighbors are really happy

665
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Speaker 16: that there's no more attention, there's no more late parties,

666
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Speaker 16: three four day benders. The drugs in that white gay

667
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Speaker 16: behind me. That's where the Feds went in with their

668
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 16: shirt shard. That's where the drugs came out. That's where

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Speaker 16: the electronic evidence came out. That's where everything started to

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Speaker 16: unfold for Diddy before he got indicted.

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Speaker 2: I just find it very difficult to believe that the

672
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Speaker 2: jury has seen the Cassie video already, which they're going

673
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Speaker 2: to see a trial anyway, that they don't know about

674
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Speaker 2: the hit on Tupac Shakur, Which gets to my point,

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Speaker 2: Crispin that GURRRS one jurrar backed out and said he

676
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 2: was afraid for his own and his family's safety, got

677
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Speaker 2: cold feet and wanted it off the panel.

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Speaker 1: And that's the one that would speak out.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever had a case where jurors or witnesses

680
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Speaker 2: were actually afraid?

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Speaker 16: Oh? Absolutely, And that's a very real fear because if

682
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 16: he's fould guilty, revenge is best served on a cold plate,

683
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Speaker 16: and these people are going to be looking over their

684
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Speaker 16: shoulder all the time. In drug cases in Miami, same thing.

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Speaker 16: You want to sit there and look a drug lord

686
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Speaker 16: in the eye and convict him when you have a wife, kids.

687
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Speaker 16: These are everyday people that get jury subpoenas and end

688
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 16: up sitting on these high profile cases, and there's a

689
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Speaker 16: lot at stake when you hit either that guilty or

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Speaker 16: that not guilty box on that jury form. That's an issue,

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Speaker 16: and I would be afraid.

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Speaker 2: To Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us a high profile PSYCHOANALYSTID

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Speaker 2: of the LA jurisdiction, author of deal Breaker. You can

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Speaker 2: sing her currently on peacock and find her at doctor

695
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Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, I think that the

696
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: jury wants to do the right thing. I think in

697
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Speaker 2: their heart of hearts they want to serve on the jury.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they want to.

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Speaker 2: Be impartial, but the reality is, when you have a

700
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Speaker 2: family at home, children, right, it's not just about you

701
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: any more. I've had jurrrs on gang relatedy cases, gang

702
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Speaker 2: cases say right up front, I've heard about the case.

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Speaker 1: I can't sit on this jury.

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Speaker 2: I've got children, they're very they were in inner city Atlanta,

705
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Speaker 2: Fulton County. I don't know if they're being upfront in

706
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Speaker 2: the ditty trial, but I do know that one juror

707
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Speaker 2: set I want off the panel because I'm afraid.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think they want to do the right thing.

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Speaker 2: But when push comes to shove and it's going home

710
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Speaker 2: to their children and their family, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: What do you think? This is real?

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Speaker 21: Sure?

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Speaker 2: Very often, Bethany, you hear me say that's bs. That's

714
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Speaker 2: just in the movies, that's in a book. You know,

715
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: that's on a TV series, that doesn't happen in real life.

716
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: This actually happens. I know for a fact, Nancy, this

717
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: is no fairy tale, This is no novel. This is

718
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 2: a real life story. And yeah, U drawers want to

719
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Speaker 2: do their civic duty. I think we all do.

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Speaker 22: But as I tell my patients of my practice, Your

721
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 22: duty is always to your family first, above all your

722
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Speaker 22: spouse and your children. Your job is to keep your

723
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Speaker 22: family safe. If you abdicate that role, who is going

724
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 22: to be there for them? And you know, not only

725
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Speaker 22: are the jurors at risk, the judge as at risk.

726
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Speaker 22: You and I have covered many cases where judges and

727
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 22: their families have been targeted. And then what about when

728
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 22: the case is over, These jurors forever will be known

729
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 22: as the people who either vindicated or convicted p. Ditty

730
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Speaker 22: And there are people on both sides that will love

731
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Speaker 22: and more importantly hate them. And finally, Nancy, what about

732
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Speaker 22: all those celebrities joining us?

733
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Speaker 2: In additional Lauren Colin at the courthouse, Sidney Sunmer joining us.

734
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Speaker 2: Crime stories, investigative report are also on the case. Sidney,

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Speaker 2: I understand that first thing this morning comes in demands

736
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Speaker 2: a whole nother picture of water. I wonder why he's

737
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 2: got dry mouth. But that said, his mother, his mother,

738
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 2: Jani's Combs also came into the courtroom. In the past,

739
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Speaker 2: she's been very flamboyant in her dress, but she's taking

740
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Speaker 2: a page out of Shawn Combs's playbook, and it dressed

741
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Speaker 2: like she's going to a funeral, Sydney.

742
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Speaker 15: That's right, Nancy dressed all in black, and Colme's mom

743
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Speaker 15: isn't the only family member in attendance today. Six of

744
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Speaker 15: his children are also in the courtroom and they're dressed

745
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Speaker 15: very similarly. All of them walked in in sunglasses and

746
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Speaker 15: all of their clothing is black and white.

747
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Speaker 2: They all had on sunglasses in the courtroom.

748
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Speaker 15: At least since they were walking in.

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Speaker 2: I want to go back to the fact that Shawn Combs,

750
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Speaker 2: that we know of, is laying at ten million dollars

751
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Speaker 2: for his defense. But your ours in fear back to

752
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Speaker 2: Sidney Summer joining US Crime Stories investigative report.

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Speaker 1: This is a big deal, Sydney Sumner.

754
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Speaker 2: We know that one gerar, as I said earlier, asked

755
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Speaker 2: the judge begged the judge to be taken off the

756
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Speaker 2: jury panel because he's got a family.

757
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Speaker 1: And got quote cold feet.

758
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Speaker 2: But I know the defense struck a gerr that said

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00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: they had seen the Cassie video and that comes looked

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Speaker 2: angry and hostile.

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Speaker 1: They struck that gurrr.

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Speaker 15: Yes, that juror is gone. They commented on that video

763
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Speaker 15: said Combs looks angry and hostile. But the government has

764
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Speaker 15: struck a candidate who said he heard about the Comb's

765
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Speaker 15: case on Joe Rogan's podcast. So we've already had a

766
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Speaker 15: tit for tat.

767
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Speaker 2: As if the jury didn't know about the Tupac Shakur hit,

768
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Speaker 2: the alleged hit where multiple witnesses say Comes ordered a

769
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Speaker 2: million dollar hit for Tupac Shakur's.

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Speaker 1: Head and he got it.

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Speaker 2: What about the fact that these jars have seen They've

772
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Speaker 2: already seen the Cassie Ventura beat down video.

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Speaker 23: Listen, the potential jurors are questioned about their ability to

774
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Speaker 23: maintain impartiality, an obstacle quickly rears its head the video

775
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Speaker 23: of Combs attacking Cassie. Numerous potential jurors have seen the

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Speaker 23: video and formed opinions on it. Of those who have

777
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Speaker 23: watched it, only a few were able to say they

778
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Speaker 23: did not think it would affect their impartiality.

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Speaker 2: The Cassie beat down a video from our friends at CNN.

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Speaker 2: We expect that particular version not to be introduced at trial.

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Speaker 2: Why because the defense said it had been sped up

782
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Speaker 2: and it wasn't in its original pristine form. Well be

783
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Speaker 2: careful what you ask, my dear, for you will surely

784
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Speaker 2: get it now. The jury will probably see the entire

785
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Speaker 2: version in its entirety and in regular motion, right at

786
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Speaker 2: regular speed. They'll probably wish they had kept the sped

787
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Speaker 2: up CNN version.

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Speaker 1: You know, Robert Crispin joining.

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Speaker 2: Us there at Shawn Combs's mansion in Florida. So they

790
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Speaker 2: know about the Tupac Shakur hit, a million dollar hit.

791
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 2: They know about the Cassie beat down video. They've seen it.

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00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: We've got one juror begging off the panel because he

793
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Speaker 2: got cold feet.

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Speaker 1: The jury is afraid.

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Speaker 2: They don't care that Shawn comes is spending ten million

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Speaker 2: dollars on a defense, a slick defense.

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Speaker 16: Yeah. Well, I think what the jury's starting to think

798
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 16: as Wow, these are some violent people. What have I

799
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Speaker 16: gotten myself into? Like I said before, that video was

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Speaker 16: a gift to the prosecution. But what that video does

801
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 16: do it gives a look inside Viddi's real world when

802
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 16: he thinks nobody's watching, nobody's around and it's just him

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Speaker 16: and his victim, or him and an ex girlfriend, or

804
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Speaker 16: him who doesn't agree with him.

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Speaker 18: Explosive surveillance footage allegedly showing Combe's assaulting Ventura has been

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Speaker 18: admitted into evidence.

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Speaker 2: The jury was finalized in the Shawanhomb's federal indictment trial

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Speaker 2: at nine forty five a m. Straight out to Lauren

809
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Speaker 2: Colin standing by at the courthouse, Lauren, what happened?

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Speaker 3: The opening statements for the prosecution said that we are

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Speaker 3: going to hear from Cassie this week along with another

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Speaker 3: witness named Jane. They said, we're going to hear or

813
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Speaker 3: we're going to see videos of these freak offs, and

814
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Speaker 3: it's going to be very uncomfortable for a lot of people.

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Speaker 3: The prosecution also said things that I had never heard before.

816
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 3: They said things like Cassie was forced to allow an

817
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Speaker 3: escort to urinate in her mouth at one point, and

818
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Speaker 3: this was per the instructions of Sean Colmes. The other witness, Jane,

819
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Speaker 3: is going to testify that she and Diddy got into

820
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Speaker 3: an altercation where he allegedly stomped on her face and

821
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Speaker 3: that she would run into every single room, lock the door.

822
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Speaker 3: He would chase after her and kick the door down,

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Speaker 3: and it was It was very.

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Speaker 2: Straight out to Lynn Shaw, founder director Lenz Warriors, committed

825
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Speaker 2: to ending sexual exploitation of girls and women. What it

826
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Speaker 2: sounds like he's going to college, He's wearing reading glasses,

827
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 2: have you ever seen Sean Comes wearing reading glasses? Oh okay,

828
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: that's fake. And the sweater, the white shirt, the khaki pants.

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Speaker 2: What is he a freshman at Harvard Lynshaw. Well, he's

830
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 2: pretending to be one dirty diddy. Listen, none of us

831
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 2: are fooled anymore, none of us. We can all see

832
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 2: through this. He's wearing reading glasses. I'm sure it's plastic

833
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 2: in the frames or clear glass. Nobody, we're New Yorkers.

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Speaker 24: This is a New York jury. We do not get fooled,

835
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Speaker 24: especially about this case. He has been for decades now,

836
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Speaker 24: since the early nineties on the lips. I'm telling you

837
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Speaker 24: of New Yorkers. So many people here know about him

838
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 24: or ready. I don't know what he thinks he's doing.

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Speaker 24: None of this is going to help him. Let us

840
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 24: keep the focus on victim survivors, and not only the

841
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 24: alleged ones of this case, but of all victims and

842
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Speaker 24: survivors of all of this exploitation, because Nancy, they are

843
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 24: seeking some kind of justice from this case. They want

844
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Speaker 24: some answers. They want somebody powerful money who has been

845
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Speaker 24: flaunting this in everybody's face, this exploitation. They want somebody

846
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Speaker 24: held accountable and I say, dirty Diddy going down This

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Speaker 24: is the case.

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Speaker 2: To Eric Fattus, veteran trial lawyer, former prosecutor joining us

849
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Speaker 2: out of Colorado, Eric, I mean, what's next a wheelchair

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Speaker 2: and a neck grace.

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Speaker 21: You can't go in there wearing a bejeweled cape or something, right,

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Speaker 21: this is court And another take on.

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Speaker 7: It is that.

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Speaker 1: The fattest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we would never want him to reveal his true self.

856
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 2: I mean, have you seen the Met Gallip pictures. That's

857
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Speaker 2: the real Seawn comes right there with the cave going

858
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 2: down the steps there you get. Yeah, so you just

859
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Speaker 2: said fast us he can't go in wearing a cape,

860
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Speaker 2: Well why not, because that's what he normally wears. So

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Speaker 2: you're going along with the eye chicking the mind with

862
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Speaker 2: him dressed up like a Harvard freshman.

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Speaker 21: You know, I'm not sure that's what's going on here. Look,

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Speaker 21: he doesn't have the Stylus hun retainer anymore, that's obvious.

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Speaker 21: But on top of that, maybe this is Diddy's true self. Currently,

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Speaker 21: you know, he is no longer this high profile, powerful

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Speaker 21: logul with all these resources. He is incarcerated. He is

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Speaker 21: facing a serious federal trial and so his life has changed,

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Speaker 21: you know, he has gray in his hair. My understanding

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Speaker 21: this his appearance has been drastically transformed, and that could

871
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 21: just be a reflection of what's going on around him,

872
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 21: of the current state of his life. This is who

873
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 21: he is today, That's who those jurors are seeing.

874
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 2: To doctor Bethany Marshall joining us, high profile psychoanalyst, Doctor Bethany,

875
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: it seems trite, very trite that visual tricks are being

876
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 2: used on the jury. Khaki pants. You know you heard

877
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 2: fact I say he doesn't have a stylist. I bet you,

878
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 2: I bet anything he does have a stylist. Those outfits

879
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 2: were carefully chosen, very carefully chosen. Have you ever ever

880
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 2: time immemorial, ever seen Sean Combs in a pullover sweater

881
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 2: and khaki pants. Think back, use that time machine, I

882
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 2: mean all the way back, whether he's on stage and

883
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 2: the mcgwa walking around LA or where Christmin is joining

884
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 2: us down his Miami mansion.

885
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: Never once. These are serious charges, Bethany.

886
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 2: I have seen women rape victims much less with it

887
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: video and in front of a whole crowd of people

888
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: while they're drugged. According to the prosecution, that basically stay

889
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 2: indoors the rest of their life.

890
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: There is a profound.

891
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 2: Impact on rape victims, and there is seawan comms and

892
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 2: a fake pair of reading glasses.

893
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: What's he doing reading proofst war in peace? I don't know.

894
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 2: It's it's a trick and there's serious charges here, Bethany.

895
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 22: We know not only is it a trick, but it's manipulative,

896
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 22: and we know that if the allegations are true, Huff

897
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 22: Diddy is a manipulative person and may have hired manipulative

898
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 22: defense attorneys. And Drawers are not stupid, Nancy.

899
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: They do see through this.

900
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 22: Drawers can feel bored, offended, devalued, treated like they don't

901
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 22: have minds, and they can't think. They are not going

902
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 22: to like that. And you know what they also wouldn't

903
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 22: like in The defense knows this. To see a man

904
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 22: with carrots and carrots of diamonds around his neck in

905
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 22: the form of a cross who then uses his power

906
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 22: to exploit other people, that is a very unsympathetic character, Nancy,

907
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 22: And of course the defense wants to hide that. The

908
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 22: other thing is that I think ordinary people tend to

909
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 22: look at very wealthy people with the suspicion that maybe

910
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 22: you know the saying under beneda behind every great fortune

911
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 22: lies a great crime. The drawers can see that too,

912
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 22: that how did p did he get to the top,

913
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 22: How did he approve all this wealth? Why is he

914
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 22: hanging around with people who are some of the most

915
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 22: vulnerable people you.

916
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: Know in society?

917
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 22: So hey, this these defense attorneys have a lot camouflage,

918
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 22: and these.

919
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: Jurers are going to see through it. I guarantee that.

920
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 2: Joining us at the courthouse, Lauren Colin, Lauren tell me

921
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: about the challenge Sean Comes's defense team made to these garrrs.

922
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: He the defense team the latest Harney argues that.

923
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 2: African Americans were systematically excluded from the jury for racial reasons.

924
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: What happened?

925
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 3: They started with the jury strikes, and the defense points

926
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 3: it out that the FEDS or the government struck seven

927
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 3: black jurors out of nine. So the prosecution gave their

928
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 3: reasoning behind these strikes, and it was very valid.

929
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 4: I mean, some of these.

930
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 3: Jurors they had said something like they were going to

931
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 3: lose thirty percent of their income by being on this trial,

932
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 3: but that wasn't a concern for them, which actually led

933
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 3: the prosecution to say, well, I have questions about their

934
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 3: intent here in the fact that they might want to

935
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 3: be here for our ulterior reasons, or they might have

936
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 3: an ulterior motive.

937
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 2: Eric fattis, this argument is as old as dirt, and

938
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: it has been addressed by the US Supreme Court in

939
00:54:55,680 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 2: Batsen versus Kentucky B Brother atsn VA Kentech. In that case,

940
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 2: the prosecutor was accused of striking from the jury, the

941
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 2: big the grand jury panel you know, of eighty to

942
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 2: one hundred people in order to get twelve for the

943
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:17,720
Speaker 2: petit petite jury of twelve, striking for racial reasons, which

944
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 2: is unconstitutional. Therefore, whenever you strike anyone, anybody, whether they're white,

945
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 2: they're black, they're Asian, doesn't matter. You better have a

946
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 2: good reason for striking. When I struck juries, typically my

947
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 2: defendant was black. My victims usually there were more than

948
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 2: one were black. There was no real racial undercurrent going

949
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 2: on in the courtroom, so I didn't have a lot

950
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 2: of bats and arguments against me. But what the state

951
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 2: has to do, and I'm sure that they did, you

952
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 2: have to write I would keep the jury list, and

953
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: what that is is a huge print out. I don't

954
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 2: know if they do them the same way in your jurisdiction.

955
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,479
Speaker 2: I'm sure they do fattest. Where you have the juror's name,

956
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 2: whether they're married, maybe where they were, whether they live

957
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 2: to ensure they live in that county or that jurisdiction,

958
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 2: or else they're not qualified.

959
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: For the jury.

960
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit more identifying information. But that said,

961
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 2: I would put notes, my notes beside each name.

962
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 1: So if there was a challenge, I could.

963
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 2: Say, well, I struck him because he doesn't have a job,

964
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 2: and if he can't show up to a job every day,

965
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 2: then why do I think he's going to show up

966
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 2: to court and pay attention? Or jerr fell asleep in

967
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 2: Voodie or jury selection, or let's see, here's a good one.

968
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 2: Juror's husband convicted of rape. If I'm trying a rape.

969
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: Case, yeah, I don't want her on.

970
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 2: So I would always keep notes, brief notes beside each juror,

971
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 2: whether I wanted them or didn't want them, of my

972
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 2: impressions of that juror as we were striking the jury,

973
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 2: as I was questioning them on voy Dyer So bats

974
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 2: In v. Kentucky, easy solution to have your reasons why

975
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,439
Speaker 2: you strugg as you are when the challenge arises. Way

976
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 2: in on bats And v. Kentucky faddest. I'm sure you

977
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 2: face it in court.

978
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 21: Yeah, no, great mind Stickle liked ancy. That's exactly how

979
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 21: I did it when I was a prosecutor. Because here's

980
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 21: the thing that's preason. A BATSM challenge is kind of

981
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 21: a big deal because it's really insinuating that the other

982
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 21: side is kicking somebody off based on their race. That

983
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 21: that's you know, inflaboratory and problematic, and so you need

984
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 21: to have a race neutral reason for excluding those folks.

985
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 21: You know, this wouldn't be the first time that the

986
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 21: defense has brought up race, and you know, historically for

987
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 21: race has played a role in the justice. So let's

988
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 21: be honest. And so, you know, is the Diddy team

989
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 21: sort of using that as one intentional argument to this

990
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 21: jury in terms of why some rich black men is

991
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 21: facing these federal offenses. I think they're going to take

992
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 21: that route in some former fashion.

993
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 18: The trial is just getting started, expected to last eight

994
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 18: weeks with a shocking testimony from accusers and insiders on deck.

995
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 20: Witness Irei is still missing. The court was informed last

996
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 20: week that prosecutors have lost communication and cannot locate her.

997
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 20: In fact, prosecutors cannot reach her attorney either, meaning they

998
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 20: are not sure Victim three will show up in court.

999
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 20: The woman does not live in New York. TMZ reports

1000
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 20: the woman never wanted to appear in court at all,

1001
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 20: refusing to cooperate and never agreed to testify against Diddy.

1002
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 20: Prosecutors said Victim three would disclose very personal and exclusive

1003
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 20: details concerning abuse she suffered under calms plenty of.

1004
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 2: Respect on Harvard eleven over at TMZ, but they had

1005
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 2: to speak to her at some point and in order

1006
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 2: to put her on the witness list.

1007
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: Right now, the state is.

1008
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 2: Down, a victim, victim gone, even though we know at

1009
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 2: some point she had to speak to the Feds.

1010
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: Even the lawyer is not responding to calls.

1011
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 2: Joining me there at Diddy's mansion in Florida, where the

1012
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 2: neighbors are happy.

1013
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: This thing may finally be put to rest.

1014
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 2: Robert Crispin joining US Christmins Special Investigations, former Federal Task

1015
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 2: Course Officer, Department, US Department of Justice. Robert, A witness,

1016
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 2: not just a witness, but a victim is in the wind.

1017
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 2: I've had it happen to me on a child sex

1018
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 2: trafficking case. The victim disappeared and was in no show

1019
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 2: the first day and a half of trial. Let me

1020
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 2: just say I was out all night literally with my investigator,

1021
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 2: going to every flop house in intercity Atlanta, trying to

1022
00:59:56,120 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 2: find the girl. We found her and went forward, and

1023
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 2: I would try the case all day long. We found her.

1024
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 2: Not so easy in the ditty case. This victim could

1025
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 2: be anywhere in the US and the lawyer's not picking

1026
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 2: up the phone.

1027
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 16: Yeah, we call that being scared to death. That's exactly

1028
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 16: what that is. This person doesn't want to testify. She's

1029
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 16: already related to the government that she doesn't want to

1030
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 16: testify because if she testifies and he's found guilty, she's damned.

1031
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 16: If they find him not guilty, she's damned because they

1032
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 16: led an alleged sexual predator back on the street. It's

1033
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 16: a lose lose situation for a victim, and it's very intimidating,

1034
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 16: very intimidating. Even though you're a victim with all the

1035
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 16: victim's rights and the victim advocates, when it comes down

1036
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 16: to you getting up and sitting in that chair and

1037
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 16: raising your right hand and actually telling your story, it's

1038
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 16: very intimidating. Not only is it intimidating, it brings up

1039
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 16: bad pass in your mind and in your heart. It's

1040
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 16: really something that a lot of people, they don't want

1041
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 16: to be great anymore.

1042
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: Christian, let's go intimidating.

1043
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 2: They all know what happened to Cassie Ventira, okay, and

1044
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 2: that was at a public hotel. They know what happened

1045
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 2: to her, No wonder she's disappeared, and the lawyer's not

1046
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 2: picking the phone up. And we know that even from

1047
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 2: behind bars. Prosecutors have produced evidence Combs is tampering with witnesses.

1048
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: Listen.

1049
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 20: Prosecutors say, even behind bars, Shawn Combs has an uncanny

1050
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 20: ability to get others to do his bidding. Diddy has

1051
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 20: been accused of obstructing his sex trafficking case by paying

1052
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 20: off witnesses and even enlisting his own children in a

1053
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 20: public relationous campaign.

1054
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 2: You want to tell me he hasn't tried to get

1055
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 2: to the victims.

1056
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 1: Listen.

1057
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 20: Prosecutors say evidence from Shawn COM's cells shows the accused

1058
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 20: wrapper made relentless efforts from jail to contact potential witnesses,

1059
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 20: including victims. These methods reportedly involved three way calls, using

1060
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 20: other inmates' phone excess codes, a third party communications service,

1061
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 20: and directing family members to contact potential witnesses, the aim

1062
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 20: to blackmail victims and witnesses into either silence or to

1063
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 20: provide testimony helpful to Colmbs.

1064
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 2: Speaking of getting to the victims straight out to Sydney's

1065
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 2: summer joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter Sidney, isn't it true?

1066
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: Prosecutors are planning.

1067
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 2: To introduce evidence that Sean Combs forced one of his

1068
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 2: victims to undergo an unwanted medical procedure. I mean, was

1069
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 2: it an abortion? I don't know, But what can you

1070
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 2: tell me about that? If he could force a victim

1071
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 2: to undergo an operation, a medical procedure, what makes the

1072
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 2: state think he's not trying to scare or intimidate the

1073
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 2: victims in this case?

1074
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 15: Sidney, No, that's right, Nancy. Prosecutors intend to introduce this

1075
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 15: evidence and we don't know yet what that unwanted medical

1076
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 15: procedure was. You're completely right. It definitely could have been

1077
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 15: an abortion. Going along with the fact that did he

1078
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 15: coerces all of these women into unwanted sexual encounters and

1079
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 15: then doesn't want to keep relationships with them. So prosecutors

1080
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 15: are introducing this to show that pattern of behavior, to

1081
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 15: show the level of control that Shawncolmbs exerted over his victims,

1082
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 15: so that could be really powerful in front of the jury.

1083
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: It was exactly ten twenty a m.

1084
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 2: This morning that the jury came into the courtroom with

1085
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Speaker 2: Shawncombe standing at attention to impanel and swear in the jury.

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01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 2: This is a day that's been long and coming. The

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01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 2: state claims that decades of abuse of women and so

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01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 2: called free coughs have occurred. Finally, will there be justice

1089
01:03:55,960 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 2: this as one of the victims disappears, can't find her

1090
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 2: or her lawyer straight out to Sidney Sumner joining US

1091
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 2: Crime Stories investigative reporter, I understand in light victim number

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01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 2: three a no show, the state has added Victim five

1093
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 2: to the roster.

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01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 15: Now, Victim five, who is not mentioned in charging documents,

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01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 15: will not be able to just replace Victim three. Judge

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01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 15: Subermanian has ruled that they will not be able to

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01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 15: include all of the intended testimony, only part of it

1098
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 15: because this victim is a similar transaction. This victim will

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01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 15: also not be granted anonymmity.

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01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 2: We know that one of the victims is not asking

1101
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 2: to testify under a pseudonym.

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01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 1: It's Cassie Ventura.

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01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 2: Cassie Ventura is heavily pregnant at this juncture, and her

1104
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 2: cross examination by the.

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01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: Defense is going to be very tricky. Listen, when you have.

1106
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 2: A pregnant lady, a mom up on the stand, I mean,

1107
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 2: you know, how cruel can you be? You can't really,

1108
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 2: you know, shreader on the stand that my friends to

1109
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 2: be And of course Mark Gira go is going to

1110
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 2: be a very vague answer on that. But Eric Fattus,

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01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 2: if the defense team comes across as bullying Cassie Ventura,

1112
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 2: that's going to totally play against comms.

1113
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 16: That's going to rub the journey the wrong way absolutely.

1114
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 21: I mean, you know, not only do you have this

1115
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 21: superstar already sympathetic victim, but there's a video of her

1116
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 21: being brutalized, and the person being brutalized is going to

1117
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 21: be on the stand, pregnant, telling you how she was

1118
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 21: verbally and sexually brutalized. And so it's going to be

1119
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 21: a delicate dance here. The defense has to kind of

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01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 21: approach this in a sensitive fashion but also be firm

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01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 21: enough to get their points across. And so the balance

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01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 21: to be struck here cannot be understated. Well, I got

1123
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 21: to say this to doctor Bethany Marshall.

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01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 2: Cassie Ventura is going to be able to handle whatever

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01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 2: they throw at her. She is the one that broke

1126
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 2: the whole thing wide open when she filed that civil lawsuit.

1127
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: And basically the Feds had.

1128
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 2: A red flag waved in front of them like a

1129
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 2: bull because it was out there and they were left

1130
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 2: looking emasculated they had done nothing. And here's this video.

1131
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 2: Let's take a look at the video, everybody, this is

1132
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 2: coming into court in a different iteration. There you see

1133
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 2: Cassie Ventura. Oh and here he comes. Thank goodness that

1134
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:47,439
Speaker 2: towel didn't slip. She's trying to get away reportedly from

1135
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 2: a free cough. Now Garags tells me it wasn't a

1136
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 2: free cough at all, that she was the aggressor. She

1137
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 2: Cassie Ventura is the aggressor in this video. She, according

1138
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 2: to Giragos, was angry when she saw Combs had gotten

1139
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 2: texts from another woman. Okay, she looks like she weighs

1140
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 2: about one hundred pounds soaking wet in that video. But

1141
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 2: yet Garago said, with a straight face, this is from

1142
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 2: my friends at seeing n by the way, a straight face,

1143
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 2: that she was the aggressor now, okay, I'm doctor Bethany

1144
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,439
Speaker 2: Gara Ghos and his daughter is all the defense team.

1145
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 2: Tenny Geyghos is saying that that you're not seeing what

1146
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 2: you think you're seeing. She's actually the aggressor in that video. Really,

1147
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 2: are they actually gonna say that to a jury? One

1148
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:53,959
Speaker 2: hundred pound Cassie is giving Diddy the beat down I.

1149
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: Saw like a broken record.

1150
01:07:55,120 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 22: But Nancy Dures are not stupid, and st Drews can

1151
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 22: feel like they're being kind of manipulated or mistreated, and

1152
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 22: I think the defense should be very careful with this

1153
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 22: line of reasoning. You know, the truth is, you see

1154
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 22: this young Cassie Venturua running for her life with bare feet.

1155
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,799
Speaker 22: The allegations that he was on the phone doing business

1156
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 22: deals while he coursed her into having sex with somebody

1157
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 22: else while he was watching could come out. He kicks

1158
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 22: her in the back, she has to pretend to play dead.

1159
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,600
Speaker 22: He drags her back down the hallway, and then the

1160
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 22: jurors see this beautiful, resilient woman who has re established

1161
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 22: her life, probably has a new relationship, is going to

1162
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:43,520
Speaker 22: create a family. This is a woman to be admired.

1163
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 22: She rose above the trauma she did the work, whatever

1164
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 22: she did to reconstitute herself. She is a very adwarry witness.

1165
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 22: So they are going to hang on every single word Nancy,

1166
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 22: because most victims do not establish.

1167
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: Themselves like this bombshell in the courtroom.

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01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:06,679
Speaker 2: The defense is actually going to argue that Cassie Ventura

1169
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 2: was the aggressor, that she was the one giving Sean

1170
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 2: Comes the beatdown. What juror is going to believe that,

1171
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,719
Speaker 2: especially in light of this.

1172
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 12: It's so difficult to reflect on the darkest times in

1173
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 12: your life.

1174
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 16: Sometimes you gotta do that.

1175
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 7: I was fucked up.

1176
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 12: I mean, I hit rock bottom, but I made no excuses.

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01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:39,480
Speaker 16: My behavior on that video is inexcusable.

1178
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:44,640
Speaker 12: I take full responsibility for my ashes in that video.

1179
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 7: Disgusted.

1180
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 12: I was disgusted then when I did it. I'm disgusting

1181
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 12: now and when and I sought out professional help and

1182
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,679
Speaker 12: to go into therapy. We're going to rehab.

1183
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,600
Speaker 16: Had asked God for his mercy and grace.

1184
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 2: Second verse same as the first. So if he didn't

1185
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 2: do it, why is he apologizing for it? And that

1186
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 2: song comes as official Instagram. I wonder if they're going

1187
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 2: to play that. We know the Cassie material tape is

1188
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 2: in straight back out to Lauren Collins standing by.

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01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 1: I understand the courtroom wholes about one hundred people, and I.

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01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 2: Guess it was packed, right, Okay, we'll get the answer

1191
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:38,720
Speaker 2: to that. You know I'm hearing Lynn Shaw comes in

1192
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 2: that video stating he wants to be a better person.

1193
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 2: He's discussed with himself, he's going to rehab.

1194
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:47,680
Speaker 1: But yet that side of one side of.

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01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:49,719
Speaker 2: His mouth, out of the other side of his mouth,

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01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 2: he's actually going to argue to the jury that Cassie

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01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:54,639
Speaker 2: was the violent one.

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01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 24: Please stop, Nancy, because I'm getting sick. I'm getting sick

1199
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,600
Speaker 24: watching that video over and over again. We have to

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01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 24: remember people are visual. Once they see that video, this

1201
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 24: will stick in their minds Now, Listen, we work with

1202
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 24: a lot of survivors and victims at the Warriors. What

1203
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 24: do they tell me repeatedly when they are being attacked,

1204
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 24: They played dead. They do not move. They don't want

1205
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,919
Speaker 24: to further and rage that person. They don't want more beatings,

1206
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 24: so they remain very still. Where is her video of

1207
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 24: her beating him? That's what I want to know. Why

1208
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 24: is this playbook the same thing we're in court? A

1209
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 24: lot flipped on putting it on the victim. Oh, it's

1210
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:35,680
Speaker 24: their fault. They caused me to do it. That's consensual.

1211
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 1: You know what.

1212
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 24: The jury again, like doctor Bethany said, like I'm saying

1213
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 24: as a New Yorker. New Yorkers are smart, They're not

1214
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 24: going to buy this. And you know what, Dirty Diddy

1215
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 24: going down.

1216
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 1: We are in a verdict.

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01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 2: Watch as we wait for the song Times jury too

1218
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 2: hand down a verdict.

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01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend,