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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norrie with

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Speaker 2: Paul Levy. Paul, where do you think of demons? Where

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Speaker 2: would you categorize them?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, okay, I would say just think of the

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Speaker 3: psyche for a moment, and it really correlates or it

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Speaker 3: helps to understand what a demon is because so here

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Speaker 3: we have, you know, where if we're a whole, which

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Speaker 3: we are when we're born, but then we all encounter

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Speaker 3: trauma and so a part of us, part of our psyche,

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Speaker 3: splits off, and if we don't integrate that that disassociated,

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Speaker 3: split off part of the psyche, it develops an autonomy

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Speaker 3: of its own. In psychology speak, it's called an autonomous complex,

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Speaker 3: and it's seemingly we experience it, you know, as having

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Speaker 3: a seemingly autonomous will and life and independent life of

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Speaker 3: its own. What I'm describing, you know, in the realm

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Speaker 3: of psychology, that's what the ancients call demons.

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Speaker 2: And Paul, let me see you then about curses into this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, the thing because I talk about curses in

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Speaker 3: my book, and one of the main things to understand

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Speaker 3: with curses is that we're all interconnected and particularly deep

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Speaker 3: in the in you know, in the dimension of the

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Speaker 3: collective unconscious, and when we project the shadow on each other,

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Speaker 3: and you know, and to project the shadow is the

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Speaker 3: shadow itself. We hear a lot about the shadow, that

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Speaker 3: is the shadow in action. When we project the shadow

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Speaker 3: on somebody else. We're all exquisitely sensitive. We feel that,

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Speaker 3: and we can feel you know, we can actually consciously

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Speaker 3: feel oppressed or we feel it in our subconscious and

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Speaker 3: then we feel burdened. And what will happen We then

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Speaker 3: will oftentimes find ourselves acting out the very shadow quality

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Speaker 3: that was projected onto us or that was projected into us,

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Speaker 3: which of course confirms to the person who projected the

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Speaker 3: shadow that we are, you know, actually that shadow quality.

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Speaker 3: So to the extent that any of us are not

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Speaker 3: in touch with our light. We're actually unwittingly cursing, you know,

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Speaker 3: other people, and ultimately we're cursing ourselves.

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Speaker 2: Paul, what did the ancient Native Americans say about how

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Speaker 2: you get rid of what? Tiko?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, they in essence, there are all these different

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Speaker 3: you know, sort of these ways you can you can

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Speaker 3: deal with it, you know, prayer, and ceremony, But ultimately

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Speaker 3: it has to do with get with being in touch

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Speaker 3: with your nature, with your true nature. When we're in

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Speaker 3: touch with who we actually are, then we're totally immune

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Speaker 3: to what tiko. It can't it can't get its hooks

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Speaker 3: into us, you know. So that is the best protection

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Speaker 3: with reference to what tiko is to be in touch

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Speaker 3: with our nature. And that's a cliche, but what it

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Speaker 3: actually means is that, well, what is our nature. Our

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Speaker 3: nature is love, is compassion, and our nature, by its

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Speaker 3: very nature is creative. So when we get in touch

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Speaker 3: with our nature, we embody and express ourselves creatively. And

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Speaker 3: the more we express ourselves creatively, the more we know

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Speaker 3: our nature in a positive feedback loop. And that's you know,

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Speaker 3: so to actually connect with our creativity, you know, which

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Speaker 3: is our nature that, in a sense, in all my

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Speaker 3: work I'm talking about, that's the best protection for what Tiko.

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Speaker 2: What did the Native Americans do with people who were

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well they were very much connected with community. So

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Speaker 3: you know, when somebody was infected with what Chico, and

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Speaker 3: that could be any of us at any given moment,

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Speaker 3: the sense is that they try to in a way,

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Speaker 3: bring them into the community of the tribe, to help

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Speaker 3: them to awaken to the nature of their heart. Because

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Speaker 3: part of when we get taken over by what tiko,

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Speaker 3: we have a cold heart. We're not connected with our

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Speaker 3: love and with our compassion. And that person they see

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Speaker 3: So to think about indigenous people, they were way more

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Speaker 2: When people come down with this so called mind virus,

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Speaker 2: how do they get infected? What have they done?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's contagious. Then it's contagious through the unconscious,

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Speaker 3: the collective unconscious. So the thing about what tiko, it's

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Speaker 3: it can be contagious and that's why you know so

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Speaker 3: many people, I mean, think about it. There's a collective

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Speaker 3: middle of a collective psychosis. And what I'm pointing out

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Speaker 2: It is amazing, it's frightening it at the same time,

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Speaker 2: isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But the thing is, you know, if we get

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Speaker 3: too attached or absorbed in fear, fear is the superfood

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Speaker 3: for what tiko. So yeah, it takes courage to see

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Speaker 3: what tiko. But the point is when you see it

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Speaker 3: darker part of us. So it's actually helping us. But

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Speaker 3: if we get you know, sort of possessed by that fear,

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Speaker 3: and then as soon as I get possessed by fear,

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Speaker 3: there's an other there are people out there that are

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Speaker 3: separate from me, and it becomes a self reinforcing fee loop,

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Speaker 3: that sense of separate self and fear, and then Watiko

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Speaker 3: main solutions for what Tiko is to recognize that we

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Speaker 3: don't exist as a separate self that were interdependent. We're interconnected.

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Speaker 3: And you know, that's why I say that the expression

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Speaker 3: of this realization is compassion. His compassion is the dissolver,

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Speaker 3: the Whattiko, dissolver par excellence.

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Speaker 2: The great healer. Wilhelm Reich is mentioned in your book

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Speaker 2: tell Us Why.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, you know, I had read his book about

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Speaker 3: the Murder of Christ the number of years ago, and

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Speaker 3: and my head exploded because I realized, oh my god,

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Speaker 3: he's pointing at what Tico. So many people, so many

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Speaker 3: artists and thinkers and philosophers like Philip K. Dick, are

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Speaker 3: pointing at what Tico. And here's here's right, pointing at

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Speaker 3: what Tiko. He would talk about in the Murder of Christ,

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Speaker 3: that there was an emotional plague that played humanity. There

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Speaker 3: was something in us that was actually against us, that

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Speaker 3: was attacking our light, that was attacking our wholeness, that

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Speaker 3: keeping us sick. And so what Reike was writing about,

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Speaker 3: he was pointing out that Christ, when you see it symbolically,

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Speaker 3: he was revealing this inner dynamic through the whole Christ

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Speaker 3: murderers of Christ. That that's the ultimate thing that he

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Speaker 3: was pointing at, that there's no one who's killing our

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Speaker 3: what that's pointing at is the incredible untapped power of

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Speaker 3: of it, that power is being outsourced and the powers

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Speaker 2: Who's winning the battle with Tiko or us?

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Speaker 3: Well, that what quantum physics would say. It's not deterministic.

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Speaker 3: It's very probabilistic. And that's why I'm devoting my life

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Speaker 3: this idea of that we finally, like what Jung says,

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Speaker 3: in times of collective psychosis such as ours, the one

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Speaker 3: It's a new symbolic idea. And that's what the greatest

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Speaker 3: idea is contagious. And what Tiko is exactly that idea.

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Speaker 3: So who knows who's going to win. But we are

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Speaker 3: actually creating and participating our experience together. So I'm trying

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Speaker 3: to our shadow but also to our light, to our genius,

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Speaker 3: and that we've actually brainwashed ourselves. No one else is

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Speaker 3: doing that. Ultimately speaking, we've done that. As more of

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Speaker 3: participate in our own evolution. And that's what this is

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Speaker 3: all about. That if we don't recognize what Watiko is

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Speaker 3: And yet it's actually the greatest catalyst for the evolution

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Speaker 2: Someone who might be a mass shooter, for example, Paul,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well if you think about it from the dream like, Nate,

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Speaker 3: That's the murder of Price. They're enacting that. And yeah,

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Speaker 3: so one could say, oh, definitely, what tiko it's an

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Speaker 2: You talk a bit about angels, tell me their involvement.

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Speaker 3: With us, Yeah, no, for sure. Well, the thing about

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Speaker 3: to it will help us discover what we're here to do.

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Speaker 3: But if we don't actually tap into that dimon, it

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Speaker 3: I talk about well angels, we actually all have this counterpart,

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Speaker 3: us that is our guiding spirit, and that will connect

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Speaker 3: our creativity. And that's the solution to what Tico and

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Speaker 3: to the all of the world crises. What Tico is

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Speaker 3: at the root of the myriad world crisis that we're facing. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So when we connect with that angel, with that diamond,

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Speaker 3: But when we connect with it, it will awaken us.

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Speaker 3: That's what my work is about.

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Speaker 2: What would you recommend that people do in order to

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Speaker 3: No one else is doing that. We are doing that.

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Speaker 2: What kind of rituals did they use to try to

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Speaker 2: They would did they sacrifice the.

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Speaker 3: People, Well, you know, it could be thousands of years ago,

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Speaker 2: Truly amazing And how did you discover this, Pall?

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Speaker 3: I discovered this in my own life with my family.

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Speaker 3: You know, like I was saying, my father got taken

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Speaker 3: it's actually helping us. It's helping us to awaken.

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Speaker 2: It is no question you've done a marvelous job. And

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry you had to go through this as a child. Nobody,

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Speaker 2: no young kid should have to go through what you

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. No, I appreciate that, and that's true,

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Speaker 3: that's really and I'm really lucky because it destroyed my

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Speaker 2: Did you sever your relationship with your father? And I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, he's no longer with us. No, no, no,

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Speaker 3: he you know, I was till his dying day. I

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Speaker 3: having these unbelievable archetypal dreams, these lucid dreams that over

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