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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the Hawaiian beauty missing at Lax,

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Speaker 1: caught up in a green card marriage scam. What is

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Speaker 1: Hannah Kobyash now hiding out in a Mexican condu Heidi Hole,

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Speaker 1: Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Born in Owahu, Hawaii and creative from an early age,

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Speaker 3: Hannah Kobyashi draws pictures with Krantz before she can talk.

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Speaker 3: Kobyashi's aunt, Larie Pigeon, says, Hannah has the spark you

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Speaker 3: wish you had. But things take a turn for the

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Speaker 3: worst when Hannah misses her connecting flight to New York

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Speaker 3: City and seemingly disappears.

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Speaker 1: According to the LA magazine, Kobyashi was apparently scammed out

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Speaker 1: of the proceeds of a purported immigration scheme, possibly concocted

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Speaker 1: by her quote former partner an ex boyfriend. She did

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Speaker 1: not miss her flight, She's somehow masterminded rerouting her bags,

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Speaker 1: which were already on the way to JFK in the

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Speaker 1: bowels of Lax the LA Airport, got it redirected to her,

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Speaker 1: and took off. Found a place to take a shower

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Speaker 1: and blow dry her hair. Last scene crossing into Mexico.

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Speaker 4: Now we learn.

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Speaker 5: This after the LAPD proves Hannah Kobyashi crosses the border

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Speaker 5: into Mexico on foot and lists her as voluntarily missing.

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Speaker 5: Many people wondered why the family hires a lawyer, Sarah Azari,

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Speaker 5: to represent Hannah Kobyashi and the family. LA Magazine is

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Speaker 5: reporting that Hanna Kobyashi might be caught up in a

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Speaker 5: green card marriage scam with an Argentinian national before she vanished.

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Speaker 1: Holy Molly, how much money has been spent trying to

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Speaker 1: find this woman as her family insists that she was

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Speaker 1: not voluntarily missing, that someone was mind controlling her. What

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Speaker 1: and her estranged father travels, we think, from Hawaii all

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Speaker 1: the way to LA in a desperate search that goes

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Speaker 1: to the worst parts of LA, the most crime ridden

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Speaker 1: and desolate locations, looking for her and thinking he has

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Speaker 1: failed killed himself. Is this true miss thing is part

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Speaker 1: of a green card marriage scam?

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Speaker 2: Alexis Terestchuk.

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Speaker 1: We had an inkling about these doings when we went

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Speaker 1: to air last on this story, but could not confirm anything,

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Speaker 1: so it couldn't report it. Alexis Terestchuk joining me Crime

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Speaker 1: Online dot Com investigative reporter what.

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Speaker 6: It appears that Hannah's family found documents that said that

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Speaker 6: she was married to an Argentinian man, that this was

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Speaker 6: a scam for green cards. She's an American citizen, she

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Speaker 6: was born here in the United States. She married this

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Speaker 6: man and then he would get a green card. And

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Speaker 6: often the way this works is that he will give

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Speaker 6: her money, or you know, the person who wants the

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Speaker 6: green card will give the person they're marrying lots of money,

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Speaker 6: thousands and thousands of dollars so that they can become

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Speaker 6: a United States citizen. And it has been revealed that

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Speaker 6: this man, her husband, was on the plane with her

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Speaker 6: from Hawaii to Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: So I think I know why she and her boyfriend

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Speaker 2: broke up. Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 5: Hanna Kobyashi's mother, Brandy Yee, allegedly discovers immigration documents at

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Speaker 5: her daughter's home in Hawaii. The show she's working with

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Speaker 5: or in contact with an immigration attorney. When he reaches

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Speaker 5: out to the attorney for information about her daughter, the

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Speaker 5: attorney will not cooperate with her, so she turns the

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Speaker 5: documents over to the LAPD and the FBI. LA magazine

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Speaker 5: is reporting that the scam marriage might have led to

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Speaker 5: Kobeanshi getting scammed out of her money, something she mentions

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Speaker 5: in one of her crypto text messages, saying she quote

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Speaker 5: got tricked into pretty much giving away all my funds unquote.

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Speaker 5: She then adds she was tricked for someone I thought

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Speaker 5: I loved.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not quite ready to go to high

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Speaker 1: profile lawyer Gregory Morse, who's going to make me eat

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Speaker 1: a dirt sandwich?

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Speaker 7: For sure?

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Speaker 2: I know that, I know it's going to happen.

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Speaker 8: First, straight out to Steve Fisher joining us along with

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Speaker 8: Alexis Teschuk, missing person's private investigator, search and rescue specialist,

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Speaker 8: owner of Search Investigations at search Investigations dot org.

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Speaker 2: Steve, you told me this. I didn't want to hear it.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't confirm it, tell me the whole thing.

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Speaker 4: So when the family first made a public plea, I

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Speaker 4: simply showed up as a volunteer.

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Speaker 7: And after about a day and a.

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Speaker 4: Half searching, I realized that this was a voluntary missing case,

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Speaker 4: and I announced on Twitter that I was dropping out

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Speaker 4: of it because of that, And that's when I started

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Speaker 4: getting calls from people, some people in Hawaii and some

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Speaker 4: other people close to the situation. It was from there

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Speaker 4: that I reached out to some people because her her

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Speaker 4: bucket list handwritten bucket list didn't make much sense. I

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Speaker 4: found out that photography job was not a real photography job.

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Speaker 2: And also wait wait wait, wait, back get up.

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Speaker 1: So the bucket list we heard about since day one

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Speaker 1: was not a bucket list.

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Speaker 2: It was a BS list.

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Speaker 7: Yes, yes, in fact, if you look on it as.

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Speaker 2: A bucket list, I'm just curious.

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Speaker 4: Well, supposedly her dream job as a photographer, but she

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Speaker 4: was shooting a gig in New York. But we were

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Speaker 4: able to find out pretty easily that all she did

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Speaker 4: was request a press pass for a music event and

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Speaker 4: she was granted one, but not a paid job. And

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Speaker 4: also on that list, if you look at that list

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Speaker 4: in handwritten, it says photos with Alan at the music

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Speaker 4: Bondernard and photos with Alan a Central Park. So I

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Speaker 4: think that what they were doing is they were setting

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Speaker 4: up these you know, this thing looked like more like

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Speaker 4: a marriage something they go to in front of immigration.

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Speaker 7: You know, they can prove it up.

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Speaker 1: The La Airport, lax is over five acres big.

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Speaker 2: The entire place was scoured, scoured trying to find her.

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Speaker 1: But this when I heard this from Chief Jim McDonald

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Speaker 1: is when I realized this girl had not been kidnapped

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Speaker 1: and was not being mind controlled.

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Speaker 9: Well, she did check her bag through to New York.

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Speaker 9: She requested her bag be sent to her at LAX,

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Speaker 9: where we have surveillance footage of her retrieving it from

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Speaker 9: the baggage carousel on November eleventh. LAPD Missing Persons Unit

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Speaker 9: has conducted extensive witness interviews, reviewed video surveillance, and collaborated

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Speaker 9: with local and federal law enforcement agencies on this case.

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Speaker 1: Not from our forensic KIV she could maneuver retrieving her.

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Speaker 2: Bag that was already in the LAX.

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Speaker 1: Air system, getting it back from JFK to LAX finding it.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever tried to find a lost bag?

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Speaker 1: I have.

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Speaker 2: It's not easy.

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Speaker 1: IRV Brandt joining me former Senior Inspector US Marshall Service

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Speaker 1: International Investigations Branch.

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Speaker 2: He's the author of a.

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Speaker 1: Series of Jack's Solo mysteries online. Gee, I wonder who

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Speaker 1: that's patterned after all the Jack solos on Amazon. But

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Speaker 1: but catch this country atte with the US Embassy in

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Speaker 1: multiple spots, He's.

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Speaker 2: Traveled the world tracking down criminals.

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Speaker 1: IRV Brant, what can you tell me about the green

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Speaker 1: card marriage scam, Nancy.

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Speaker 10: It's very common around the world. I worked extensively with

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Speaker 10: the State Department, the Diplomatic Security Service, who had primary

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Speaker 10: jurisdiction over visa fraud, and when someone is perpetrating the

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Speaker 10: outside of the country, that's who investigates it. And it's

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Speaker 10: very common for US citizens to get involved with people

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Speaker 10: in other countries trying to obtain it's a K one visa.

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Speaker 10: K one is for the fiancee visa that that person

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Speaker 10: would be able to travel into the United States. And

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Speaker 10: sometimes people are duped scammed into doing this, men and

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Speaker 10: women unknowingly, they think it's real, they think it's love,

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Speaker 10: and really what they're doing is they're being duped so

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Speaker 10: these people can get into the United States and often

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Speaker 10: tripped in des sending money and people lose their life savings.

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Speaker 10: I've been at embassies where women have showed up claiming

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Speaker 10: that their husband or their fiance is missing, and the

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Speaker 10: State Department told him, no, your fiance isn't real. You've

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Speaker 10: been tricked. This person has been under investigation for visa

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Speaker 10: scams for years and has been doing this to multiple

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Speaker 10: women inside the United States, and it appears that miss

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Speaker 10: Kobayashi has been involved in a scam.

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Speaker 2: So I'm confused right now. Either she is part of

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Speaker 1: She has to know that the guy she's marrying, and

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the photo right now, they're wearing Hawaiian

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Speaker 1: lays there on top of a hilltop. She doesn't know him.

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Speaker 1: She has a boyfriend, they just broke up. She has

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Speaker 1: to know she's taking part in a scam.

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Speaker 10: I agree, Nancy, I agree.

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Speaker 2: How are you suggesting she's a victim.

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Speaker 10: No, I'm not suggesting that she's a victim. I'm saying

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Speaker 10: one of those. I was just saying it in a

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 10: Having said that, it appears that she's a willing participant,

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Speaker 10: But I find it hard to believe that she's the

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Speaker 10: mastermind of such a complex scam. I believe that.

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Speaker 1: She's because because she's a woman, she can't be a mastermind.

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Speaker 10: No, Nancy, I don't think the flower from Hawaii is

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Speaker 10: an evil genius.

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Speaker 2: To stave Fisher joining us.

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Speaker 1: Let me remind everybody green card marriage scams is still

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Speaker 1: a crime. It's an immigration crime. There is imprisonment, five

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Speaker 1: years imprisonment, quarter of a million dollar fine, and or both.

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Speaker 2: It's still a crime.

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Speaker 1: So Steve Fisher, I find it really hard to believe that.

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Speaker 2: She had no idea what she was doing.

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Speaker 1: Now, she did refer in one of her crazy sounding

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Speaker 1: texts that she was cleaned out of her money by

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Speaker 1: Can't possibly be in love with this Argentinian who has

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Speaker 1: about her boyfriend. But if she's committing a crime, if

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Speaker 1: she's committing a crime, I am not crying for her

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Speaker 1: that her ill gotten gains were stolen by another criminal.

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Speaker 4: No oneer among the thieves, right, I'd listen. I think

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Speaker 4: she is fully aware. She was fully aware. And you

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Speaker 4: knowle Hawaii is a perfect place to do this because

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Speaker 4: it's the only state I know of that marriage records

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Speaker 4: are not a public record.

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Speaker 7: I'm not subject to public record.

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Speaker 4: So this is why it took a long time to

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Speaker 1: When I think of her father desolate searching for his

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Speaker 1: daughter to the point he commits suicide near lax flinging

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Speaker 1: himself off the top floor of a parking deck. What

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Speaker 1: I think of the thousands of man hours and tens

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Speaker 1: of thousands of dollars our government and law enforcement have

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Speaker 1: dedicated in defining the so called Hawaiian beauty.

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen from our friends kV.

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Speaker 11: We understand that there are concerns on behalf of family

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Speaker 11: and friends. We've been very transparent with the family to

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Speaker 11: this point. We've had daily communication and contact with the

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Speaker 11: family members, and we've given all the information that we

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Speaker 11: can provide in terms of what our investigation has entailed,

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Speaker 11: what the efforts have been on behalf of the LAPD

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Speaker 11: and other partner law enforcement agencies. We've put a lot

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Speaker 11: of resources into this investigation.

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Speaker 2: From our friends kV.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace out to Steve Fisher who

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Speaker 1: actually helped try to find Hanna Kobyashi at Search Investigations

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Speaker 1: dot Org who put out that false narrative about the

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Speaker 1: bucket list and the photography gives.

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Speaker 4: It's important to remember that there were people closer to

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Speaker 4: but they kept the search going. They called for searchers

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Speaker 1: I argued vehemently when we covered this last because you

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Speaker 12: And that's unfortunate because of the great work you do, Nancy.

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Speaker 12: usually when the woman is the immigrant that marries an

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Speaker 12: that is an outgrowth of this marriage scam that is

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think that she can be prosecuted because if

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Speaker 1: You have to write on your marriage certificate, certain information,

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Speaker 1: It's definitely a false statement to police. But you're talking

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Speaker 2: This does not begin to approach.

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Speaker 1: That as it relates to Anna Kurioshity's father's suicide. No,

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Speaker 2: To Conrad Roy.

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Speaker 1: She advised him to commit suicide. She told him how

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Speaker 1: It was devastating. It was sickening to even read her text.

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Speaker 1: that Hannah Kobeyoshi was already at her Mexican condo, Heidi Hole,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think she's there, for she got there on

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Speaker 1: So the family is allowing the search to continue. We

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Speaker 4: Yes, and this is why at the very beginning, three

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Speaker 7: It was an abduction.

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Speaker 4: She was being drugged by this African American male and

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Speaker 2: Well way blame the black man.

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Speaker 1: Did you just who blamed the African American mail?

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Speaker 7: What?

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Speaker 2: She got out and did it again?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 7: Right? And And that's really upset me. And that is

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Speaker 4: And and now there are you know, I put out

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Speaker 1: All of these are allegations as of right now, but

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Speaker 3: Hannah Kobyashi's family is concerned about odd text messages from

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Speaker 5: Kobyashi sends messages to a friend saying she doesn't feel

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Speaker 5: Deeve hackers wiped my identity, stole all of my funds

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Speaker 7: On November fifteenth.

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Speaker 9: Our Missing Persons Unit assumed investigative responsibility. Detectives have been

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Speaker 9: Hannah's father, Ryan Kobayashi was found deceased. Preliminary findings indicate

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Speaker 7: Our hearts go out to the.

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Speaker 9: Kobayashi family during this unimaginable time of grief. We remained

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Speaker 2: Her father is dead.

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Speaker 1: Her father, after an exhaustive search for his daughter, took

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Speaker 1: dot Org. We just heard Chief Jim McDonald's speaking and

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Speaker 4: Well, they were very controlled search efforts, the ones that

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Speaker 7: The whole thing. It was just like feeding on itself.

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Speaker 1: And who took that photo of the wedding.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, but the photo came from her sister, Sidney,

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Speaker 7: PR people. You know in miss situation.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first

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Speaker 1: radio trauma expert psychologist at karenstk dot COM's Karen with

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Speaker 1: a C. If you're looking for her online, Karen, what

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Speaker 13: It's so hard to make sense of it, Nancy, and

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Speaker 13: I'm sure I am not the only one, but the

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Speaker 13: something of course, you know, is terribly wrong here. If

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Speaker 13: an even larger scan because they're wanting additional money, if

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Speaker 13: What's hard to understand is were they really worried about

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Speaker 1: Voluntarily dropping off the map is not a crime. False

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Speaker 1: FBI Cellular Analysis Team, Scott Iiker, twenty two years with

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Speaker 1: the FBI. Scott, If the state wants to prove this case,

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Speaker 1: if they want her back, and we do have a

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Speaker 2: There is no way this woman.

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Speaker 1: She may have gotten rid of her old cell phone,

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Speaker 1: but that's easily remedied.

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Speaker 14: Well, I think there's other ways you can track people.

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Speaker 14: them to an extent that we have gotten fugitive's back

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Speaker 1: According to the La magazine, Kabyashi was apparently scanned out

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Speaker 3: According to reports, Hannah Kobyashi's family is concerned about odd

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Speaker 5: Kobyashi sends messages to a friend saying she doesn't feel

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Speaker 5: Deep hackers wiped my identity, stole all of my funds

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Speaker 1: To Alexis Tereshchuk joining US investigative reporter Crime online dot com.

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Speaker 2: What else have you learned? I'm almost afraid to ask.

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Speaker 2: We have been on quite the wild goose chase.

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Speaker 6: So we learned that when she went to Mexico was

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Speaker 6: November twelve. Her family has been has not said a

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Speaker 6: word about this for almost an entire month now. So

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Speaker 6: we have learned that she's apparently married, and that her

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Speaker 6: ex boyfriend, who has spoken to police. They have said

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Speaker 6: that they have spoken to this ex boyfriend. He's not

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Speaker 6: involved in anything with her. That is what they said

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Speaker 6: from the very beginning, and the family has said he

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Speaker 6: has nothing to do with this. That was the story

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Speaker 6: in the beginning. But the thing that's important is when

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Speaker 6: she says this is I've been tricked. This is some

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Speaker 6: matrix style stuff. She left the plane. She didn't stay

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Speaker 6: with the new husband, she didn't stay with the boyfriend,

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Speaker 6: she didn't stay with the boyfriend's wife. She left that

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Speaker 6: plane and left immediately, and then she went to very

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Speaker 6: fancy places. As we talked about the girl was a

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Speaker 6: really nice mall. It's probably the nicest one in town.

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Speaker 6: She went to, you know, downtown, and then she managed

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Speaker 6: to have enough cash. She said, you know, all my

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Speaker 6: funds were taken, but she had enough cash to go

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Speaker 6: to the bus station, buy the bus ticket and spend

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Speaker 6: the money through her Venmo of using tarrat cards. And

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Speaker 6: you know what else, speaking of her venmo, people are

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Speaker 6: now sending complete strangers or sending her money on their

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Speaker 6: on her venmo and are saying, hey, have it the

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Speaker 6: time in Mexico, have a Margerita on us. I hope

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Speaker 6: you're enjoying your life. Totally supporting her through all of

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Speaker 6: this complete strangers.

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Speaker 1: Then Steve Fisher and to Karen Stark, first to Stave,

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Speaker 1: then to Karen, what about all the fake texts about

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Speaker 1: deep hackers have stolen my identity and all my money?

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Speaker 2: Those are lies?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're so out there that actually that's kind of

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Speaker 4: what makes you start digging in and going, what's really

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Speaker 4: going on here? You know, because the story her story

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Speaker 4: wasn't lining up, the families couldn't keep their stories lined up,

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Speaker 4: and then, of course, when the father took his life,

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Speaker 4: and that is when I decided to get back involved,

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Speaker 4: because I knew there was something really wrong here.

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Speaker 1: Did Hanna Kobyashi secretly married just for money? This after

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Speaker 1: her mom allegedly finds documents connected to her daughter's marriage

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Speaker 1: to an Argentinian national just before, coincidentally, her bizarre disappearance

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Speaker 1: within LAX. Her family reportedly now cooperating with investigators. But hey,

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Speaker 1: where's all that money sent by set through go fund

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Speaker 1: me to Karen start joining me? Renow in psychologists joining

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Speaker 1: us out of Manhattan? What about the fake texts?

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Speaker 2: I mean, why.

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Speaker 1: Bother to go to that extreme to send fake text

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Speaker 1: about deep hackers stealing your identity and all your money?

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Speaker 1: And I mean that was clearly intended to mislead.

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Speaker 13: All of us feel had been taken advantage of by this.

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Speaker 13: It's just terrible. She is capable of anything. Look, she's

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Speaker 13: in Mexico. I don't even know if she knows that

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Speaker 13: her father is dead. But he was not really part

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Speaker 13: of the family. According to the things that I read,

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Speaker 13: she didn't have a relationship with him. And now I'm

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Speaker 13: thinking maybe he got a hold of this, Maybe he

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Speaker 13: was aware in the end of what happened, and he

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Speaker 13: couldn't live with the knowledge that this whole scam was

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Speaker 13: going on while he was out there searching for his daughter.

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Speaker 13: The whole thing is so horrible, and think about it,

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Speaker 13: we're all like perplexed. What could have happened?

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Speaker 1: Well to Steve Iiker, a former FBI founding member of

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Speaker 1: the FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team, the FBI has now

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Speaker 1: been pulled into this once the alleged green card marriage

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Speaker 1: scam has been revealed. Why is the FBI part of it,

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Speaker 1: Scott Iiker, and what does that mean? I can guarantee

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Speaker 1: you this The last thing you want is the FBI

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Speaker 1: searching through your emails and texts.

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Speaker 14: I totally agree. I mean we often helped local law

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Speaker 14: enforcement and many ways. I was part of a safe

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Speaker 14: Streets test where I even had cases where you know,

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Speaker 14: I was out tracking phones of a kidnapped victim that

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Speaker 14: turned out to be riding a bus by herself and

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Speaker 14: faking the kidnapping. So I understand this type situation, and

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Speaker 14: FBI can get into these as long as it's requested

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Speaker 14: by the host agency, the local law enforcement, or there's

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Speaker 14: a federal crime. And obviously did we have run into

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Speaker 14: the federal crime part with a visa fraud and stuff

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Speaker 14: like that. So good luck to this family they were

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Speaker 14: hiding the information and her because I think things are coming.

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Speaker 1: Down on all of you know, if it was just

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Speaker 1: the local authorities, they may not want to spend their

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Speaker 1: money tracking her down, but the Feds are not going to.

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Speaker 2: Take this lightly.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Gray straight out to Steve Fisher,

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Speaker 1: who take part in the search for Hanna Kobayashi. So

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Speaker 1: where do you think she is in Mexico? I know

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Speaker 1: that you know, okay, whether you'll answer and tell me

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Speaker 1: the truth, I don't know that.

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Speaker 2: Where do you think she is?

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Speaker 4: Rosarito Vich area, in a certain area down there that's

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Speaker 4: popular with expats, and now they might have moved her.

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Speaker 7: She might have moved in the last couple of days,

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Speaker 7: you know for sure, but that's where she was.

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Speaker 4: One thing I just wanted to say about the family

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Speaker 4: part of it, about them revealing this to authorities and

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Speaker 4: through what I've investigated, and I'm pretty sure I'm right,

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Speaker 4: But only the FBI and LAPD can we'll be able

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Speaker 4: to confirm this. This is not something that they gave

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Speaker 4: up a while ago. When she went missing. What happened

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Speaker 4: was when I first discovered that she got on that

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Speaker 4: Greyhound bus and I announced it as she's done in Mexico.

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Speaker 7: They hired that attorney and then I found out that

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Speaker 7: the green cart thing.

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Speaker 4: From what I understand, they just went to the FBI

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Speaker 4: and authorities like yesterday or May before yesterday. This is

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Speaker 4: so it was once it was out there, then they said, oh,

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Speaker 4: look what we found. This isn't something that they told

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Speaker 4: LAPD about during the original part of the missing person's investigation.

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Speaker 4: It was only once that it came out publicly.

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Speaker 1: Back to you, Scott, Iiker joining us former FBI, and

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Speaker 1: then I'll circle back to IRV Brandt, the local authorities

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Speaker 1: at LAPD. They may not want to spend the funds

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Speaker 1: to get Hanna Kobyashi back and prosecute her on lies,

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Speaker 1: alleged lies for a fake green card marriage. They probably

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Speaker 1: don't care. They got their hands and pockets full of

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Speaker 1: crime to prosecute. But what about the FED. Scott, isn't

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Speaker 1: this just like spitting.

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Speaker 2: In their eye?

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Speaker 14: It is? It is definitely, and I think they will

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Speaker 14: take the time and spend the money to prosecute her

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Speaker 14: and bring her back from Mexico. There's a lot of

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Speaker 14: red tape bringing someone back from Mexico, but the fact

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Speaker 14: that she's a US citizen there is a lot different

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Speaker 14: than the Mexicansits that we're trying to bring back or

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Speaker 14: extradite from another country. So I think it's spent such

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Speaker 14: a media blitz. It's spends so much money and time

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Speaker 14: and for the volunteers, for the police where they could

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Speaker 14: be working other cases. And I'm sure the LAPD would

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Speaker 14: love to have the FBI kind of take over, at

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Speaker 14: least from this aspect of it and take it out

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Speaker 14: of the hands. They got better things to do.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen Rosarito Beach?

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Speaker 2: It's beautiful. I didn't really know what it was. I'm

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Speaker 2: looking at it right now.

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Speaker 1: Horseback riding Rosarito Beach is and Proto Nuevo Lobster, what

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Speaker 1: seafood roasts, Sunset, beautiful bistro, charming restaurants ATV horse riding

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Speaker 1: on the beach, what.

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Speaker 2: Sea Fisher? What the hey?

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Speaker 1: Do you know how many people my staff, all of

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Speaker 1: us here at Crime Online and Crime Stories, how many

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Speaker 1: people we could have helped and the last what seventy

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Speaker 1: two plus hours we've devoted ourselves trying to find her.

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Speaker 1: How many people LAPD could have helped, how many people

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Speaker 1: the FBI could have helped. But no, we're trying to

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Speaker 1: find Hanna Kobayashi and her father commits suicide just and

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Speaker 1: here she is at Rosarino Beach.

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Speaker 4: And you know when I was at the call for volunteers,

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Speaker 4: there were so many volunteers out there, and there's some

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Speaker 4: people that took off work to do this, and they

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Speaker 4: showed up day after day. They paid their own printing costs.

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Speaker 4: The family made them pay their own printing costs for

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Speaker 4: flyers and whatnot. You had Bali Police Department la PD,

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Speaker 4: then you had lax PD involved the FBI, NYPD.

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Speaker 7: It just goes on and on.

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Speaker 4: So many resources in this and a lot of people

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Speaker 4: you know, new and this went on for weeks.

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Speaker 7: You know the started.

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Speaker 2: I was so worried that she.

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Speaker 1: Was stranded somewhere and couldn't speak the language, imagining her

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Speaker 1: like Dorothy with her little suitcase leaving Kansas b s.

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Speaker 1: This is totally Anglo Burger, King, Carl's Junior Home Depot, Walmart,

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Speaker 1: Smart and Final, Domino, Subway, McDonald's, Applebee's. I am beside myself,

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Speaker 1: Gregory Morse, what are the potential crime creation.

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Speaker 12: Here where this seems like a really a conspiracy of

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Speaker 12: two things. You have the immigration side offenses and the

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Speaker 12: marriage that's false. You then have and I disagree with

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Speaker 12: you again, We've seen this come up over the last

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Speaker 12: several years, people doing this falsely.

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Speaker 7: To dupe people.

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Speaker 12: So they may have a fraud charge. They may definitely

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Speaker 12: have civil theft charges at the very least, which could

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Speaker 12: cause them a lot of money. We have a lot

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Speaker 12: of lying false if they made any sworn statements and anything,

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Speaker 12: could come back on perjury. But I don't think there

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Speaker 12: were any official proceedings yet going on in any of

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Speaker 12: this stuff. So we have the whole family that it

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Speaker 12: sounds like from the great folks you have on your

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Speaker 12: show with all their information. So you know, this is

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Speaker 12: really a tragic because you're right, the time that was

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Speaker 12: taken away from finding real people that are victims or

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Speaker 12: are missing, and law enforcements wasted their time looking for

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Speaker 12: someone who wasn't missing.

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Speaker 1: You know what, Greg Morris, You know what, every day,

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Speaker 1: every night, me and everybody working at crime stores and

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Speaker 1: crime online, we have so many missing people and so

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Speaker 1: many crime victims. We can't publicize all of them were

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Speaker 1: It's like drink from the fire hydrant. And we tried

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Speaker 1: to help this family find her. Now that's just us.

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Speaker 1: What about the LAPD? What about all the law enforcement?

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Speaker 1: You know, how you dig into a case and you

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Speaker 1: spend morning, noon and night you think about it.

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Speaker 2: I even dreamed about this case.

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Speaker 1: I literally I didn't just dream that at just a

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Speaker 1: few moments ago.

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Speaker 2: I actually dream about this.

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Speaker 1: Woman there in Mexico walking away with nothing but a suitcase,

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Speaker 1: and like, what is going to happen to her?

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Speaker 2: In crime writ in.

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Speaker 1: Mexico, be as Fisher she snugged up in some condo,

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Speaker 1: and if she lost all her money, how is she

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Speaker 1: supporting herself?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, a good question.

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Speaker 4: I don't know unless they're you know, she knows somebody

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Speaker 4: down there and that's why she picked that area or

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Speaker 4: the first that upsets me, actually the most of this

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Speaker 4: whole case is that day after day we kept hearing

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Speaker 4: about this black man that had her and was drugging her,

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Speaker 4: and it was Yeah, that's the part that bugs me

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Speaker 4: the most. You know, they really tried to drag this

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Speaker 4: and they knew that that was not true.

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Speaker 1: Well, I can tell you the last thing anybody needs,

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Speaker 1: is the FBI three inches up their tailpipe? Okay, Normally

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Speaker 1: I don't think that the FEDS would chase down this

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Speaker 1: woman to Mexico, But now that it has become such

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Speaker 1: a circus and so publicized, they can't really look.

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Speaker 2: Away from it. They know about it.

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Speaker 1: We're waiting as justice unfolds, and not just for Hannah Kobyashi.

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Speaker 1: The allegations that her family is receiving gofund me money

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Speaker 1: or somehow part of this.

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Speaker 2: We don't know that.

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Speaker 1: We don't know if they were legitimately trying to find

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Speaker 1: her and then discovered upon the truth.

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Speaker 2: We know the mom did.

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Speaker 1: Cooperate and hand over the information immediately, we don't know

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Speaker 1: the timeline.

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Speaker 2: We don't know any of it.

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Speaker 1: Did she lead her own family on a wild goose chase?

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Speaker 2: We don't know that. Are they victims too?

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Speaker 1: We wait as it all becomes clear, and it will

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend, doctor