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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode two twelve with Naomi from Runaway June.

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Speaker 1: Naomi cooks, which which, by the way, I haven't done

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Speaker 1: much by yourself. Huh. That was the big that That

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Speaker 1: was what I heard that you three were like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if we can do it by her by herself. Now,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a little misconception. We um, we don't do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're just doing music stuff right now, so

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Speaker 1: we don't. You know, if you'd asked me to come

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Speaker 1: over here and play songs, I'd be like, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: the girls can come, but yeah, we do stuff. You

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Speaker 1: could important to have individuality. You could have played the

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Speaker 1: Christmas party tonight, darn it. Yeah, we have Travis Dnni

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Speaker 1: plans to ask me. He's gonna come play much better. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was, I guess reading some stuff about you that

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Speaker 1: I didn't know, because like we know each of a

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Speaker 1: little bit, not a lot, not a lot, not a

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Speaker 1: lot bit, but a little bit. And you had mentioned

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Speaker 1: before we went on here that you mentioned meditation, and

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Speaker 1: I was reading that you meditate the top of mountains.

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Speaker 1: Is that true? I have before? Is that every day

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Speaker 1: thing do you find at your nearest mountains trying to

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Speaker 1: find him out every day. Um No, I really, I

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Speaker 1: really get a lot of healing and fulfillment from nature,

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Speaker 1: and so I'm outside as much as I can be.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of it's kind of odd. But

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Speaker 1: when you're on the road, I mean you kind of

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Speaker 1: know this, but you don't get to get out as

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Speaker 1: much as people think. You know, you're traveling a lot,

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Speaker 1: you don't really get to see as much. So um,

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Speaker 1: when I'm off the road, I'd kind of go back

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Speaker 1: out and travel and try to see spots that I

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Speaker 1: haven't been to. And I really love to meditate nature

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Speaker 1: if I can. Isn't it crazy? You bring up a

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Speaker 1: point that I think maybe people don't realize that as

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Speaker 1: much as we travel. Because I was in Vegas. It

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Speaker 1: did one you in Vegas and it was out and

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Speaker 1: they were like, how' is Vega? It was like it

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Speaker 1: could have been any city. The crowd was great, and

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Speaker 1: I love the venue. But you don't do anything except

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Speaker 1: go sound check me and great, do the show. You're

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Speaker 1: so exhausted, you go to bed, then you get up

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Speaker 1: and you do it again, you know in another city. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and it takes a lot. It takes real

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Speaker 1: intention to get outside of that little wheel because if

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Speaker 1: you keep if if you don't, you'll just get in

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Speaker 1: that little wheel and you get really depressed. Like depression

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Speaker 1: is a real thing out there. You're on the same people,

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Speaker 1: you're in the same routine. So, um, I make an

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Speaker 1: effort every day to like try to break that routine.

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Speaker 1: I get off the bus kind of before anyone wakes up,

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Speaker 1: and I just kind of do are you early morning, Naomi?

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Speaker 1: I am an earlier rise, Yeah, and I wake up

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Speaker 1: at three thirty or four every weekday. But I do

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Speaker 1: it because I have to, never because I want to.

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Speaker 1: I want to leave until noon every day if I could.

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Speaker 1: But you're not like that. No, I really just enjoy

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Speaker 1: that time of the day a lot. It's like quiet.

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Speaker 1: No one's blowing up my phone yet. Like, um, I

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Speaker 1: of it's a meditation in itself. It's kind of spiritual,

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Speaker 1: I think. So walk me through this. You come home,

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Speaker 1: you have a few days off, you try to find

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Speaker 1: find some I have a spot in my house some

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Speaker 1: some woodland area. Yeah, um, squirrels nest I have Yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: I've I've meditated in my art a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: I think like meditation. Um. Some of the Master's meditation

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Speaker 1: have to be elaborate. UM. So yeah, I've meditated in

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Speaker 1: And so I kind of do it there. I haven't

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Speaker 1: so much. They're all slightly different, but they believe in

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Speaker 1: it so much. I have never meditated in my life.

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Speaker 1: I tried. I had some severe PTSD for a long

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Speaker 1: to meditate. I would sit on the bottom of my

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Speaker 1: You know what happened. I'll close my eyes and go

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Speaker 1: I no wonder which episode of the Office is on

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Speaker 1: right now, or I just couldn't separate myself from you

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Speaker 1: know what. I'm not going to try to psychoanalyze you,

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Speaker 1: but go ahead hit me. But you're such an achiever.

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Speaker 1: I think that you're trying to achieve something for meditation,

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Speaker 1: and that's like not really what it's about. When you start,

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Speaker 1: I want to win meditation? How do I How do

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Speaker 1: I win a meditation? Nothing's happening. Why am I not levitating? Like,

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Speaker 1: come on, Bobby, it's just to quiet yourself. I mean

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't have PTSD from being robbed. Um,

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine, but I'm sure. I mean, meditations helps

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Speaker 1: a lot of people with that stuff, for sure. But

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Speaker 1: what is the purpose? And I asked this as serious

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Speaker 1: What is the purpose of meditation? Like to you and

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Speaker 1: in general to me, I guess I can only speak

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Speaker 1: for myself. Um, to me, I'm so overstimulated most of

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Speaker 1: all of that stuff happening and not be involved. And it, man,

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Speaker 1: it just really gives you a perspective view of Like,

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Speaker 1: it's really helps me make clearer decisions. And you don't

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Speaker 1: go and how long how long do you meditate? Eleven minutes?

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Speaker 1: Because I'm really I have a lot of questions now, Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: eleven minutes. It's okay. I could probably eleven minutes. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it feels like an hour though, mhm. The only

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Speaker 1: because I don't I don't drink, and I'm never like

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Speaker 1: all of them, like I just I would do them

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Speaker 1: all at once, right, I just know I would be

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Speaker 1: I just know I would be the champion drinker or champion.

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Speaker 1: But um, the only time that I've ever felt like

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Speaker 1: that would get so high on laughing gas. Oh my god. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. I'm not being pastigious one bit. And

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Speaker 1: I would be able to separate. I could separate all

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Speaker 1: my life. It's pretty amazing. Those chemical releases are within yourself,

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Speaker 1: Like I'm not going to try to get all spiritual

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you felt. I just definitely feel better,

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Speaker 1: when you're when you're that stem over stimulated and then

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Speaker 1: you're I mean eleven minutes right to really calm yourself down.

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Speaker 1: You feel like a completely different person. Do you sleep well? Um?

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Speaker 1: I sleep better when I meditate. I've been ice bathing too,

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Speaker 1: God knows. I don't want to be cold. I don't

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Speaker 1: will keep my air down, but I keep a blanket

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Speaker 1: an ice bath? Oh? Man? The benefits are wild. It's

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Speaker 1: another thing. It's an antidepressant. Um. It's like the thermal

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Speaker 1: this incredible um. You get your nutrient blood. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Where are you getting this ice going to the gas

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Speaker 1: it did not work, so why don't I keep on.

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Speaker 1: I've heard that there's there's a difference between that and

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Speaker 1: actually water submersion because your body is made up of

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Speaker 1: mostly water. There's like a difference there when you have kids,

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Speaker 1: are you gonna do natural birth like in a creek

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Speaker 1: I get a medall. You know. It's funny. Five of

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Speaker 1: us were born five six were born underwater. My mom

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Speaker 1: born and I'm asking that doing at home world of birth. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm really asking. I'm awa, so is that

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Speaker 1: and the baby, it's really a lot healthier for the baby.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I knew that I'd do this forever.

424
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 1: I've done lots of jobs in between, but I've always

425
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 1: done music. What are you? What's in the what's in

426
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 1: the jar over here? Is that charcoal vinegar that you

427
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 1: milked from an eagle? This is a herbal and taste.

428
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 1: You know, when someone goes tasted, you're not gonna tell

429
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 1: me anything about what it is. It's a herbal infusion.

430
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,399
Speaker 1: It's got tons of chlorophyll in net. No, no, you

431
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:31,359
Speaker 1: know ho piste I would be as I tasted. Okay,

432
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 1: so wait what it's a little bit bitter, but also

433
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,879
Speaker 1: kind of is it water based? Yes, it's like a

434
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 1: I guess you describe it as a come on, it

435
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 1: looks like molasses, so dark. This is a good bad Yeah,

436
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,639
Speaker 1: it's actually no, you know what, it's actually pretty good.

437
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 1: So what is this and why are you drinking? So?

438
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 1: This is um? This is nettle leaf and oat straw

439
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 1: and comfree and it's just a herbal infusion mix that

440
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 1: I drank when I when I'm feeling like my body

441
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: is depleted, worn out. Um. I mean my mom's making

442
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 1: these for her clients. When when I was little, I

443
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,400
Speaker 1: was drinking this in a sippy cup. You know, I'm

444
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 1: talking like suit like this is way before this. You know,

445
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: the whole foods was barely a thing then. Um, but yeah,

446
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 1: I've been drinking that stuff for a long time. She

447
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 1: still drinks some, your mom does. Yeah, you still close

448
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 1: to your mom? Yeah? Does she have a cell phone? Yes?

449
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 1: Look at me. Fortunately, my mom has a cell phone.

450
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 1: I'm asking these questions with genuine curiosity because I don't

451
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,120
Speaker 1: know she has a cellphone and she has Instagram and Facebook,

452
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, mom, what does she think about

453
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: what you're doing and where you've gone. It's a good question,

454
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: you know. It's funny people ask me about ask my family,

455
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: my my siblings that, and they're not really surprised. And

456
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: I don't mean to sound any any way by saying that,

457
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: But it's not like I didn't win American Idol or

458
00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: something like after working at Target. I've been doing this

459
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: literally since I was little. Um, so I think I'm

460
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: surprised that I've gotten here a lot of times. But

461
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: also it's like, you know, I've worked really hard. It's

462
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 1: like people ask me that, you know, do pinch yourself,

463
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, I know exactly what it took

464
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 1: to get this, And I don't wake up and go

465
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: how did I get here? Like I freaking know and

466
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: it was a lot of hard work and sacrifice and

467
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 1: it still is. And I know I love it that

468
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: you say that, because you know, people be like, can

469
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 1: you believe that you're on TV? I'm like freaking grinding

470
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: it out, flying back and forth, killing myself. Yeah, I

471
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: do believe it. It's almost like there's some way that

472
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: we're supposed to be ashamed to say that. And I

473
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: think it's because, um, maybe other people I don't want

474
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: to see that that grit part that we've had to do.

475
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 1: It's not as glamorous, but you know, they want to

476
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: think it's kind of like a lottery. I it's just not.

477
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 1: It's just not true. Like you know, this takes lifetime

478
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: of dedication and giving up, giving up a lot and

479
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: also gaining a lot. But yeah, I don't I don't

480
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: pinch myself. So you're in the family bus until what age?

481
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 1: Until I was ten eleven eleven? Then where do you go?

482
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: So we came back to Tennessee. Actually after we got

483
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 1: out of the bus, we were stranded in Arizona for

484
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: like six months, and that was really tough. Why stranded?

485
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 1: Run out of money? Are you trapped somewhere? Dad had

486
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: some really like heavy depression issues, and um, he he

487
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: started to kind of like crack in the bus, like

488
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: towards the end. Um, it's like four, he like turned

489
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: forty in the bus. I think that that kind of

490
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,719
Speaker 1: pressure it just really got to him, and he, uh,

491
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: he started to kind of lose his mind a little bit, honestly. UM.

492
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 1: And he would sleep all day and couldn't work. Um.

493
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 1: And depression is debilitating. It's a real thing. People die

494
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: from that too. UM. So we were stranded there. My

495
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: mom was like doing everything she could to work. I'm

496
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: playing the guitar. My brother was roofing with um a

497
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: crew of Hispanic guys, my sister, you know, we were

498
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: just kind of like trying to survive that. We ended

499
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: up getting enough money to be able to make it

500
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: across the state where we had some friends in Tennessee,

501
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: and we landed in this little, like dilapidated farmhouse. But

502
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: we'd always lived in like broken down homes, Like I

503
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: don't ever remember having more than one bathroom in our house. Um,

504
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: but it just felt good to like be grounded again.

505
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: And like, you know, we had a mailbox and it

506
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: was like that that whole thing. I felt like we

507
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: my parents marriage might work out. They really started to

508
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 1: fall apart towards the end of the bus um and uh, yeah,

509
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: So we landed in Tennessee and and lived here for

510
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: a few years. And my brother, my brother was in

511
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: prison while we were in the bus, and he came

512
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: back to that house and lived with us for a

513
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 1: little while. So there's a lot of good memories there,

514
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: even though, uh even though to look at it or

515
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: to be there even then it was like, you know,

516
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: pretty gnarly, I think, but I have a lot of

517
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: fun memories from the house. As a kid, if you're

518
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: thirteen or fourteen, you know, the pressure is what do

519
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: you want to be when you grow up? What do

520
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: you want to be when you grow up? Where do

521
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: you what was at thirteen or fourteen when some momenta, hey, hey,

522
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: what do you want to be? Naomi? Like, what was

523
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: your answer to that? I want to be a country singer.

524
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: So and it felt it's it's funny you mentioned those ages,

525
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: because that's the age where I started to doubt this

526
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: could ever happen because I just didn't know. I thought that,

527
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: you know, you had to have voice lessons, or you

528
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: had to have rich parents or connected some way. I

529
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: just wasn't at all. Um. I did get some music

530
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: lessons from some friends of our family who who recognized

531
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: that I had talent and a hunger and they want

532
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: me to pursue that, and so they paid for me

533
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: to have lessons for like two months, and that really

534
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: just gave me more confidence. Um, But I did. I

535
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: wanted to be a singer. I didn't know even know

536
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: what that meant, but I wanted to be an artist

537
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: and a singer or an oceanographer. There always one weird

538
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: thing you haven't want to be as a kid. It's weird. Yeah,

539
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: you're Your story and my story definitely have some parallels

540
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: in in the thinking process because I grew up, you know,

541
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 1: a poor kid in Arkansas, and nobody around me did

542
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: anything near what I wanted to do. I didn't heard

543
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: remnants of your story. Well, I just never know from

544
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: other people, and they're, uh, they're probably wrong. I made

545
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Probably. Yeah. I grew up a trust

546
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: fine kid in Pennsylvania, but I lived, you know, in

547
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: a town of seven hundred people in Arkansas, and you know,

548
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: and it was a food stamp kid. But nobody around

549
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: me was ever doing what I wanted to do. I

550
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: always wanted to be a comedian and a radio host

551
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: and and I want I wanted to do all these things,

552
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: but there was no ready to tell me that I

553
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: could do it. Nobody was there to say I couldn't,

554
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: but there was and I didn't know how to do it,

555
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, as you're like, you want to be a

556
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: country singer, and how do you know, one thing? How

557
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: do you become a country I had no connections either.

558
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: I want to beg to clean a radio station, you know,

559
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: and and so that's what I did and that and

560
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: you know, that's what's interesting about your story is like,

561
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: how in the world, when you have no connection to

562
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: the outside do you get outside to become a country singer?

563
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: So I started gigging. I was about fifteen. And what

564
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: does gigging mean? Where you are? Where are you in

565
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: Tennessee at this point? So we moved to Florida. So

566
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: you're in Florida, right. So my parents my brother passed

567
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: away in a car accident, um, and my parents marriage

568
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: just didn't survive that. UM. And so my mom packed

569
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: all of us up and we moved to Florida and

570
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: she raised nine kids down there, and we had a

571
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: greenhouse that we all ran UM, and we were close

572
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: to this little island called cedar Key probably like I

573
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: stay close, but about like twenty miles UM. And I

574
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: got a job playing my guitar. There was some other

575
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: there was another kid there that played his guitar UM

576
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: at some of the restaurants, and I was like, okay,

577
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: I think I could do that. And I had a guitar.

578
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: I had no equipment, UM, and I had some friends

579
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: there that were like kind of like meddling musicians I

580
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: call um that let me borrow some equipment. And I

581
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: just started playing at some of the local restaurants. And

582
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: that's where I I started gigging. Would you see big

583
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: eyeballs when you would sing, meaning you start singing, they

584
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: goat Yeah, yeah I did. I think, uh I got

585
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: that for a long time, people didn't expect that. I

586
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: guess for me to have as much, I really sang

587
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: with a lot of passion, I think for my age.

588
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: So you're fifteen or sixteen, you're playing shows, do you

589
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: kind of feel like, all right, I'm good enough to

590
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: do this. I just somehow I got to find a path. Yeah, um, yeah,

591
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: I thought about going to school. There was a lot

592
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: of that too. You know, I just didn't know what

593
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: the next step was. I didn't really believe that I

594
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: could go to Nashville. It seems so like something anything,

595
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: don't do anything, doesn't feel like like real life. Just

596
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: felt like how do I do that? Maybe I'm not

597
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: meant to do that. Um. So I had a little

598
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: bit of a detour where, uh, I got into a

599
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: car accident. I was completely broke. Uh And I got

600
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: a job offer to be a deckhand on a salmon

601
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: boat in Alaska, and so I went up there for

602
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: how does it, by the way, are you on Craigslist? Like,

603
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: how does an offer come through? Like a random offer

604
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: to be a deckhand in the state nowhere near you?

605
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: Like if you offer at the local Chilis, I get it.

606
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: There's a Rits nearby, there's someone looking for people to come.

607
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: Like I was a waiter for a long time, and

608
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: you're like, oh you need somebody, I'll go. But it's

609
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: do you get a random all your in Alaska? Where

610
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: does that job offer come from? So I'll break it down.

611
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: We when I saw in Florida, right, So there's a

612
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: lot of people that fish. Um My, my stepdad, my mom, remarried. Sorry,

613
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: it's a little jumble, Okay, So my mom got remarried. Um,

614
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: and he went to Alaska every year and had been

615
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: doing it for about five years. So he went for

616
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: the season and he called in the middle of the

617
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: night and said that that their deck hand had fallen

618
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: into efficient fishhold and broke his ankle and couldn't work anymore,

619
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: and they needed somebody really fast. And what's the deck

620
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: hand do? By the way, I mean, I've been fishing.

621
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god. You clean the nets, you you're fishing,

622
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: you're driving the boat, you're cooking, you literally do everything.

623
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: And they wanted you no offense. You're like five ft three.

624
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: How tall are you? Yeah, and so you're like five

625
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: three and they want you, Well, they didn't want me.

626
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: I just I was the first one that volunteered. And

627
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: and uh, and I think Rick knew that I had

628
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: some grit and I was tough enough to like withstand

629
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: that I didn't know I was I had no idea

630
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: what I was getting into. This was like the gnarliest,

631
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: hardest thing I've ever done in my life. Um, but

632
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: I flew up there. I'm glad that I didn't know

633
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: what it was because I wouldn't have gone, you know,

634
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have um. So I did

635
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: that first summer, and then when I came back, I

636
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: felt really clear about like, Okay, if I can do that,

637
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: I can move to Nashville, Like I can I can

638
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: move to Nashville, I can play music, Like what if

639
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't work, I'll never be as poor as I

640
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: was before this, and like, like, what happens if I

641
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,479
Speaker 1: if I do? Like who knows? Isn't it crazy too?

642
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: There's such freedom and I'm looking back now being so

643
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: poor as a kid there. I was always like, you

644
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: know what, the worst thing that can happen is where

645
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: I am now, and you know, ain't so bad and

646
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm actually pretty good at being poor. I was always like, like,

647
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: what is what is there to lose? Because again, if

648
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: all this goes away, I had figured out how to

649
00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: survive on very little, and so there was it was

650
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: a very dangerous person someone who's to lose. I can

651
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: go back to nothing. Yeah. I was happy there and

652
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: I and I felt that way a lot. It was

653
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: what's the worst thing that can happen? I go back

654
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: to where I've already been, and yes, and that was

655
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: my normal. So you're you're in that spot again. I

656
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: hear you say that, and that resonates with me because

657
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: I felt a bit of the same way through my life,

658
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: and you're you're there, and when do you finally go?

659
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: All right, Nashville we go? And then what car do

660
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: you go in? Oh? My god? Okay, so let's see

661
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: what car did I have? I I bought a Blazer,

662
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: a blazer that had no a C, so I only

663
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: I only made like five grand in Alaska. Um, which

664
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: seemed like so much at the time. Um. I bought

665
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: a blazer for like twelve hundred bucks. And I my

666
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: sister lived in Nashville with her boyfriend at the time,

667
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: and I went and lived in her basement. I drove

668
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: it up on I don't know. I think I did

669
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: this one like two hundred and fifty bucks literally like nothing. Um,

670
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: and I just I got straight to Nashville and I

671
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: just walked down um Broadway and I just handed out

672
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: these little demos that I had made in Florida. And

673
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: I got a job at tutsis like two days later.

674
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: And so you go and you're just singing at tutsis

675
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 1: how many like like a four hour spot? Yeah? During

676
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: the four hour thing. Yeah, yeah, I did that, but

677
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: you know that one, that one had its own challenges.

678
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: But I did learn how to like work with a

679
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: band and work bigger crowds, and like you know, I

680
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: learned a lot down there. And then I started working

681
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: at the airport, which was like a totally different thing,

682
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: but a lot more money, a lot a lot more chill.

683
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: I'm interested in both of these. So let's start with

684
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 1: a Tutsis. You're working at Tutsis. Do you see people

685
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: come into Tutsis that you go, man, if they like

686
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: and you would know who they were, and you go, man,

687
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: and I just would like what I'm doing. They could

688
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: actually give me a shot. Did that ever happen when

689
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: you see something in the crowd, like an artist or

690
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: a published at Tutsis? It's funny. I didn't. I didn't.

691
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: I did see in a carter come in one time.

692
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: She was so cool and she came up and sang

693
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: with a girl who was singing Strawberry Wine when she

694
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: happened like walk in, she's so cool. I never saw

695
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: I never saw artists like that as like like, oh

696
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: my gosh, if they could just I kind of knew

697
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: that's not how it worked. UM. And I had met

698
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: a songwriter in Florida who was in Nashville. His name

699
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: is Rob Hatch and he's had some really good success here.

700
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: Um and his wife worked at Sea Sack and they

701
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 1: really really mentored me. Um. While I was cleaning houses

702
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: and working at tutsies, I was I was writing, and

703
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: like they really they really helped me. UM. But I

704
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: never saw I I did. I saw, like Joe Nichols,

705
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 1: you'd be surprised not a lot of people going to tutsis,

706
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: but the people that I did, I just knew that's

707
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: not how it was gonna work. It wasn't gonna happen

708
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: like that for me. What was your song? Where did?

709
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: What was the song that was like once or twice

710
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: a night you would sing it, and you knew that's

711
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: where you get a twenty or so, Like you knew

712
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: then when you sang this one, people were gonna throw

713
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,959
Speaker 1: some real money wagon wheel really yeah. Actually I would

714
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: have people request it and then tell them that it

715
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 1: was a fifty dollar song, and they would they would

716
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: pay for it every time they loved it. Let me

717
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: back up just one second. Do you want to get

718
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: to the airport when you're on a salmon boat. Do

719
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: you have a boyfriend. I didn't have a boyfriend. Now

720
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: when you're doing and moving around the country, did you

721
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: have a boyfriend. I didn't date a lot. Um, I

722
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: didn't date a lot I think I like a salmon

723
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: like that wasn't like my focus salmon catchers. It's funny.

724
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: They were like, here's the thing. When you're in Alaska

725
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: on that boat, there's not like if you're having interaction.

726
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: It's like you don't sleep there. It's you're going twenty

727
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: two hours. You're going absolutely to the legal limit of

728
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: not sleeping. Um. And then a lot of the other

729
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: people fishing up there are Russian and there's some other Alaskans.

730
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: But you just really you're not interacting like you're ust fishing.

731
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: And I never I never even got onto land. I

732
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: was literally out for five weeks on the water. Were

733
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: you ripped muscular, like in great shape? It was in

734
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: good shape. What would you eat? Just fish straight out

735
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: of the net. We had some stuff, you know, stock

736
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: I had, you know, we ate rice um, not a

737
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: lot of greens, mostly fish, mostly raw fish. I mean

738
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: it was the best fish, the most nutrients you can get.

739
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: That's crazy. It was pretty crazy. Okay, So tutsis airport,

740
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: So where and how do you get the job at

741
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: the airport? As someone see you? So? Yeah. So a

742
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: guy that I was playing with uh at Tutsis on

743
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: music on a on Broadway, he kind of told me

744
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: when we were counting on our tips one night that

745
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: he was going to start playing at the airport. I've

746
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: never even heard tutsis at the airport. Yeah, okay, So

747
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: there's small tutsis the airport and you walk by and

748
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: it's always somebody singing a bad version of Walk the

749
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: Line as you're trying to get to gate. It's some

750
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: guys singing walk the Line every time. So it's there,

751
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: so you and he says he weren't gonna work there. Yeah,

752
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: so he said he was going to start there, and uh.

753
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: I was like why you know because I had been

754
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: to the airport and uh he was like, I said,

755
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: I heard the money is way better and like I

756
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: can make my own hours whatever. I was like, okay, well,

757
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: let me know how it goes. Well. About a month

758
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: later he came back and I was like, how's it

759
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: going out there? He was still doing gigs on Broadway.

760
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: There's like a little club of musicians that do it. Um,

761
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: and he said, it's going great. I'm making bank. I

762
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: like love it. I'm not having to perform is hard,

763
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, So I really started to

764
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: think about that. I was dying to get off of Broadway.

765
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: It was like just sucking my soul dry. I didn't

766
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 1: feel like I was going anywhere. Um, it wasn't meeting anyone,

767
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: and uh so I requested if I could just try

768
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: it and it started working, and I like, it was

769
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: so different and so much better. I was better, so

770
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: much better. Why that's weird because the people that are

771
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: coming to the airport, a lot of them don't get out,

772
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: don't get to get out to Nashville. So it's like

773
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: the first little piece of Nashville they see and they're

774
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: enamored um and they buy your merch and they like

775
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: love that piece of Nashville. It's like so unique, and

776
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: uh they think they might be, you know, tipping a

777
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: future superstar. Um. So I don't know. I just really

778
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: had I had a much better experience there, and I

779
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: only did that about six months. So you're there six months,

780
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: you're paying the bills, you're working to get having to

781
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: go to security every day. Do you have a different badge?

782
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: Give you a badge. They gave me a little badge,

783
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: but I mostly had an escort. Yeah, so somebody walk

784
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 1: you through. You get walked through the at the airport

785
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: and then when does it go? Okay, I think this

786
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: is over? Like what was it? What was that step?

787
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: I started cleaning houses? Um, and I just wanted to

788
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get out of the Tutsi circuit.

789
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: It was just killing me. I wasn't able to write. Um,

790
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: So I started cleaning houses more and that allowed me

791
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: even more time on my own. Um. Then I got

792
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: a Tyler Farr cut with before I had a publishing deal,

793
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: and it became a single. So I got a little

794
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: bit of a break veteran boots Okay yeah yeah, Um

795
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: it didn't get super high on the chart, but it

796
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 1: was a big break for me at the time. Um,

797
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: so you have no publishing deal and you get a

798
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: single with a major artist. Wow, how did that right?

799
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 1: Did you get that right? And what was that whole situation?

800
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: So the songwriter was telling you about him and his

801
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: wife were setting me up on co writes and and

802
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: trying to get me a publishing deal. Um, and that's

803
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: how that happened. I just was in a writing room

804
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: with Justin Moore, Justin Moore, um, Justin Wilson and Dave Pittinger.

805
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:42,959
Speaker 1: And so not only does he go, hey, we're gonna

806
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: put this on hold, We're gonna cut it, and then

807
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: it's a freaking single. Yeah, so to publish a company

808
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: start going, oh, she has no publishing deal. We should

809
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: we should get on this. Oh yeah wow, good for you.

810
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, thanks. That was that was a huge stroke

811
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: of luck. But I do and I think you believe

812
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: this too, Like luck is preparation meets opportunity only um.

813
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: And I was busting my ass still am but like

814
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: it felt it was like a really it was like

815
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: a break. Okay, you're doing the right thing. It was

816
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: kind of like a little omen um. And then and then, uh,

817
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: I was I was still trying to be an artist

818
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: at the time. I didn't just want to be a songwriter.

819
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: I really wanted to be an artist, but I was

820
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: doing the solo thing. And um, I did a showcase

821
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: and Benny Brown came to that he used to own

822
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: our label, and uh, he called me a couple of

823
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: weeks later and he said, Hey, I know this girl. Um,

824
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: she has a hit with Eric Pasley right now. She's

825
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: a great writer. I want to I want to see

826
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: if f you'l right with her. He loved my voice,

827
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: he thought I was a star, and he didn't like

828
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: my songs at all, and uh, I was like sure,

829
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: all right with her? And um, he introduced me to

830
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: Jennifer Wayne. So you guys get together at this point

831
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: that you have a publish I did have a p well,

832
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: I waited. It really kind of happened quickly. So I

833
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: got the Tyler Farr single, and then um, my record

834
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: deal like came very shortly after, like we were offered

835
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: a record deal. Kind I was still writing. I was

836
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: writing with jen at this time. Has happened like within

837
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: like two months of me getting the single. Let me

838
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: back up one second. Because I used to clean houses

839
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: to my grandma that well, yeah, and so whenever I

840
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: always tip the cleaners good. Did that affect Does that

841
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: affect you when you're staying in hotels or whenever you're

842
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: staying places like I always stripped the sheets for them. Um,

843
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: I leave tips whenever I have cash and you have

844
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: to leave it on the pillow because if you leave

845
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: it somewhere else, sometimes they don't know if you left

846
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: it for them, that someone else is going to find it.

847
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: What's the worst case scenario? Though, someone else does find it,

848
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: like somebody. You know, it's funny. I heard a comedian

849
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: say this one time, um where everyone's like, I'm not

850
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: going to give that homeless person money. They're just gonna

851
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: spend it on booze and drugs, and he's like, that's

852
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna spend And then on at the end

853
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: of the day, Look at this time, homeless guy's going

854
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: to spend it on, Like what do you want him

855
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: to do? Buy a CD rack for his box? You know,

856
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: it's funny, God forbid someone else finds it, like someone

857
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: needs it. So yeah, I wonder if that's affected your

858
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: because I waited tables for a long time, which everybody

859
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: should have to be a server at some point, my

860
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: non president, I think you know how a lot of

861
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: countries make you serve. I want to make everybody be

862
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: a waiter so they can understand. Yes, the plight of

863
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: having to to deal with people, oh, the humility that

864
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: comes with that, but it also is such a great

865
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: tool for for life. And then you know, I feel

866
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 1: like I tipped because I wanted to be tipped, because

867
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: I actually know what that's like. Do you tip someone

868
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: that gave you bad service? Yeah? Absolutely, I give him

869
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: even more. Yeah. Yeah, because well, because I was a

870
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: waiter and there would be times where I sucked but

871
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: it was not my fault. And I also am in

872
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: the place now where I finally have a good living,

873
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: like I'm fine, and and so no reason not to

874
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: tell you, Yeah, there's no reason to tip somebody because

875
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: the times that people would come in that were in

876
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: my situation, they would tip me. I could make an

877
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: insurance payment much quicker because of that, Like it was

878
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: life altering because I was living week to week and

879
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: when someone would come in and give me twenty dollars

880
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: at the tip, it would change the whole week for me.

881
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: So I feel now like I wish that I'm just

882
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 1: doing what I wish someone would did. I'm no bleeding

883
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: heart great guy. I just wish that people had done

884
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: that for me, and some did. So now I'm kind

885
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: of playing it myself back in time. I feel like

886
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: I'm just tipping me back in time. Yeah, I feel

887
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: that I had I had some people, really really helped

888
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: me out. I mean, I've had so many people that

889
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: have helped me. Um, and it matters, and little things

890
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: like that, like even the person paying for your lessons

891
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: a huge, huge, like in two ways credits in the album. Really, yeah,

892
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I don't think that I would be here

893
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 1: with all people like that, and and and and two.

894
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: There's two things. One, you got some lessons, but I

895
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: think the bigger picture was you saw that someone cared

896
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: enough to actually invest in you, which makes you want

897
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: to invest in other people to the same way. And

898
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: so that's so cool you did that. Yeah, yeah, I

899
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: mean it didn't really Like I always knew that. I

900
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: was like, if I get a record deal, if I

901
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 1: get this stuff, like, I'm going to credit these people.

902
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: You know. They were kind of the only family that

903
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: we ever had really to my parents weren't close with

904
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: their families, and they were the only type of aunt

905
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: and uncle I knew. Um, it's huge, very very big. Okay,

906
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: back on, we're gonna Sure, we're bouncing, but we're good.

907
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: We're following you. No, no, I'm bouncing too. I'm bouncing

908
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: to Okay, so you and gin R Jennifer Wayne, excuse me, decide.

909
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 1: And I've known Jennifer for a while, um, you because

910
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: and she also played tennis with one of our best friends. Yeah,

911
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: a friend who's a pressure sennis player, and he was

912
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: but her last name wasn't Wayne. And I was like, hey, dude,

913
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: do you know jenn Wayne. It's like yeah, but her

914
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: name when she played tennis. Yeah, I guess what was

915
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: going by. And so you guys are writing and you're

916
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: gonna become a duo? No, um No, we were just

917
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: writing songs, um. And we were writing with another girl

918
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: as another girl, you know, Caroline Hobby. Caroline wrote a

919
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: lot of the songs that we have, um. And when

920
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: we went in and wrote, when we went in and

921
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: played those songs for the label, um, Benny Brown offered

922
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: us to deal as as a group right then, which

923
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: I knew he had that cooking all all along. Here.

924
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: I think I'm writing for me, you know, and he's like,

925
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: now I'm going to get this group together. I had

926
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: to had to happen naturally. Um. And I'd never even

927
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: considered being in a band, and I don't know why.

928
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: I just never crossed my mind. But I I knew

929
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: right that I was being offered an opportunity like the one. UM,

930
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: and I think too. I'm like, you know you like

931
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 1: you're like Braddy kid. You know you're gonna ask for

932
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: a bike like I want to. I want a pink bike.

933
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: I want a pink bike. And then you know, God

934
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: gives you a black bike. It's a bike, like take

935
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: the bike, you know. So that's how I looked at it.

936
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: And I was like, all right, I'm gonna do this.

937
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this band thing. And I had a

938
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: lot of people like what you know, you're gonna do

939
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: this and you're the you're the you should, You're you

940
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 1: should just keep on doing what you're doing, Just keep on.

941
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think that's the right thing.

942
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: So we we got offered a record deal as a

943
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: group with Caroline and UM and we got into it

944
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: down the road and and she was like, you know what,

945
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: this is just not really my path. I don't think

946
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: this is for me, UM and uh we it was

947
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: pretty it was happened really fast, like Caroline kind of

948
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 1: really knew right away. She was like I'm not I'm

949
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: not going to be doing this, like this is not

950
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: not my path UM. And so Jennifer knew this girl,

951
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: Hannah Mulholland, who was an incredible songwriter, and she brought

952
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: her in to write with us, and we asked Hannah

953
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 1: to join the group once we had written a few songs.

954
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: She was incredible, sing low harmony. She was great. So

955
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: that's how this band formed that way. So if you're

956
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,959
Speaker 1: the hippie one, are the hippie one, the hippie one? Okay,

957
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: you don't think the hipone? Don't you think the hip one?

958
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: I would say, so, yeah, what would you say? That's

959
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: not a bad to answer? Good thing. I don't think

960
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: it's bad. You have a bandana on your arm, have

961
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: a crystal on your neck, on your shirt, like, alright, fine,

962
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: you're the hippie one. We'll be the hipster one. I

963
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: would say. I'm like a little earthy. I guess okay, okay,

964
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm drinking hers over here. If you're the earthy one,

965
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: what is Hannah? What's the's got like this? Like seventies?

966
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: Like would she be more hippie than you? Though? Yeah,

967
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: I mean I guess, Like there's different kinds of hippies.

968
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: I only know the kind to do a piece sign

969
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: and to definitely has some hippie vibes. She's like a

970
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: vegan and she's she's kind of like earthy too. She's

971
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 1: from Malibu. She's like so she is. She's like surfer hippie.

972
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: She's not like very coordinated. I don't think she could surf,

973
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: but yeah, she your earth all the all the Dwarf

974
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: seven Dwarves had all you like, you're like earthy June.

975
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: She's beach hippy June. What is Jen Wayne? Jen is

976
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: Mama June. She's like the mama Hen. She worries. Um.

977
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: She is a worrior worried. She'll text me and be like,

978
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: hey heard this, Okay, is this happen? It's so sweet,

979
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: you know. She she really is like one of the

980
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: most empathetic people I know. UM, And she's very sensitive

981
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: to like energies and feelings and stuff and um. She's

982
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: also very kind of ethereal. She's very like light. She's

983
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: kind of like a little angel, you know. When you

984
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: see her, she's like tall and blond and like looks

985
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: like this. It's funny, she tells. She tells everyone that

986
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: she's Peruvian. Her grandmother is like full blooded proving and

987
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: Jen looks like a Nordic, like you know, yeah. So, um, yeah,

988
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,439
Speaker 1: I guess that's how I would describe Jen. I think yeah,

989
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: I think that's accurate. And you guys are still getting along. Yeah.

990
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: Do you have boundaries? Yeah, that's because the boundaries are

991
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: actually really good for relationships more so than a pillar

992
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: to divide totally. Yeah, I mean we do counseling. We

993
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: have before so important. It's such a great part of

994
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: growing totally is to have someone that's keep talking. Because

995
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm such a big timer therapy all the time. I

996
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: do therapy as much as I can. Um, here's the thing,

997
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: you're you're we're not just a band. We're married. You know,

998
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: we're legally bound to each other. We share money, we

999
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: make all of our decisions together. You know, we have

1000
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: we have employees. Uh. That racks your relationship, really can

1001
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: rattle you. There's like little things, there's all these personalities.

1002
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: Were very sensitive people were you know, emotional and sensitive

1003
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 1: and creative, and we all have these ideas and we're

1004
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: all very different. Um, and we're all very very like.

1005
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: So you know, a small decision or a big one

1006
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: can like rattle you. You have to really really know

1007
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: each other, be extremely considerate, um, communicative, compromising, and you don't.

1008
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 1: You're not born with those skills, you know, you have

1009
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: to learn them. Uh, And we treat it like it's

1010
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: a marriage. I know a few other people who are

1011
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: actually in marital counseling in their band. It's like for

1012
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 1: a marriage. I know bands too that go because again,

1013
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: if you want to perform at a high level, you

1014
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 1: your mental capacity has got to be in that spot.

1015
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: To do that, you got to be in a healthy place.

1016
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 1: So it's a business decision something Otherwise you're making emotional

1017
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: decisions which will wreck your life. My my therapist, she

1018
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: lives near here, but she does relationships only she does

1019
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: cup I gone by myself and the first person she

1020
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: ever had gone by by themselves. And I sit in

1021
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: a chair and so it's like me and you if

1022
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 1: we were in together and she's over here, but there's

1023
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: no one in that other chair and there, but she's

1024
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: never were kind of like an experiment with each other.

1025
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: Do you talk to someone else? You talk to her,

1026
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: but you interesting because that's just her normal room. And

1027
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: she doesn't ever do solos. Never know, she's just I'm

1028
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: the only guy. I'm the only like you're like two people.

1029
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: That's much. Maybe that's what it is to this on

1030
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,919
Speaker 1: and she thought it wasn't you're like two screwed up people.

1031
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: I'll take you. I was like, hey, it's a lot,

1032
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 1: and so she said, okay, let's try in the first

1033
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. And I've been with her now for months,

1034
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: but the first couple of weeks that I went in,

1035
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: we were like, let's see if we both want to

1036
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: do this. I'm just such a big believer and I

1037
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: need someone from from an outside that doesn't have an

1038
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: investment in my personal life. Oh God, to lead me places.

1039
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: I don't need to tell me. You don't need you

1040
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: to take me there all the time. Just sometimes repoint

1041
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: me in a direct and let's see where I go.

1042
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: I am sure that you get this all the time,

1043
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: like people are if you read this book, or are

1044
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 1: you reading this book? But there's this book and it's

1045
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: called The Laws of Human Nature by Robert Green. It's incredible.

1046
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 1: It like talks about your emotional self and how people

1047
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: are not in touch with that thing. This is what

1048
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: my therapist is teaching me. Um, you make emotional decisions

1049
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 1: when you think you're being rational. Um, it's so crazy.

1050
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: People are very complicated and I think The first mistake

1051
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: that you can make with someone is thinking that they're

1052
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: not complicated UM and especially yourself, like when you're like, oh,

1053
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like a simple guy. I've only got it.

1054
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: You know these certain things, are in particular about these things,

1055
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: but not this. It's like you're so wrong. People just

1056
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: don't even know their selves. So UM therapy has helped

1057
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: me a lot in that way to like get to

1058
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: know my emotional self because you in this job were

1059
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: emotionally stimulated and triggered all the time, and then you're

1060
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 1: set with like the big decision to make that involves

1061
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people, and if you're not careful, like

1062
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: you'll just really really slip. And maybe you will. I

1063
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: know I have, but it's a it's something we have

1064
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: to be on our toes about because people are all

1065
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: around you and you're there's no one way to do

1066
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: this and uh so you just have to really be

1067
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: in touch with yourself and think mine just has me

1068
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: challenging negative thoughts. That's I leave going I need something

1069
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: I can come back with. I needed like an execution

1070
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 1: point every time, I like, what do give me something

1071
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: to work on? I left yesterday negative thoughts, Well, just

1072
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: chat because my question to her was and she was like, oh,

1073
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 1: no one's ever asked me that. I was like, hey,

1074
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: can you grow out of trauma? Like can you you

1075
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: know what, let's say something having me a twelve it

1076
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: was pretty awful. I'm thirty nine, Like I should be

1077
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: able to shake that by now. And she's like, you know,

1078
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: it's not that you grow out of it. So the

1079
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: answer is no, but you can have so much positive

1080
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: things kind of outweigh what do you sort of think

1081
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: differently about it? Because so much good has happened. Where

1082
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: if you have trauma that happens to you and it's

1083
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 1: a big part, it's a major part of your life

1084
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: and your decisions, it is, you know, if it's seventy

1085
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: part in your thinking process, that's that's a that's a

1086
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: wayer because but if so much good stuff is happening

1087
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: to you, the trauma still there, but you're starting to see, oh,

1088
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: great things can happen too. Does that mean that when

1089
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: you start to see other things that are good, you

1090
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: maybe start to understand that thing that gave you trauma

1091
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: a bit, which is super powerful, right, Yes, you know,

1092
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 1: and even when you say see things we were talking yesterday,

1093
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: not to go full therapy on it. Who cares, but

1094
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 1: let's right, it was because she's a like a love

1095
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 1: not just a love doctor. She's a like a doctor.

1096
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: That's what she works like, that's her thing, relationships, right,

1097
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: And she's like, you know, here's why you're not good

1098
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: at relationships. You've never seen a successful one. Like I

1099
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 1: never knew my dad. My dad left when I was,

1100
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, five or six years old. My mom remarried

1101
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: into the worst. My mom died my grandmother and grandfather

1102
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: when she was forty six. She yes, she died from drugs, alcohol,

1103
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: older ish, but she was always an addict, So I

1104
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: never knew were not being an addict. Wow, do you

1105
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: have siblings? I have a sister and then like a

1106
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: half brother through a dad. I don't know. I have

1107
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: an Arkansas family where they kind of sprakled all over

1108
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: in different ways. Have like an eighth cousin. Ye don't

1109
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: try me. I can't have like a sister wife somewhere.

1110
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: It's a whole thing. And uncle daddy all of that,

1111
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: and but it was I've never seen a really successful relationship.

1112
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:36,959
Speaker 1: So that's why they seem so foreign to me, because

1113
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: I'm like I watched these shows and I'm like, that's

1114
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: not true. She's like, you just haven't seen one. Like

1115
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: in a lot of my friends have also been like

1116
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: this isn't working. So they've all moved in with me

1117
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: at some point. And so that's that was the big,

1118
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: the big thing yesterday. And does not change your marriage,

1119
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: your your outlook on marriage, No, but it makes out

1120
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: kind of why you're seeing someone is to like that perspective,

1121
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 1: perspective vulnerabile. When you're a survival list your whole life.

1122
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: You've only built walls around you so long that you

1123
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: still live with those walls even though you don't need

1124
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: them anymore. So a lot of that too. But it's

1125
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: it's great you guys are going to therapy as a band.

1126
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: That's so exciting. Oh my gosh. I mean it's I

1127
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: know a lot of bands that do this. This isn't

1128
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: like something out of nowhere. We were advised that early

1129
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: on to do it. And it's like it's even with

1130
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: you know, if you're getting married, it's like pre marital counseling,

1131
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,439
Speaker 1: like let's make this bridge strong before there's a break

1132
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: in it. You know, that's kind of it's not it's

1133
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: not because something happened or like something will you know,

1134
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: we should all be we should all be as prepared

1135
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: as we can be. Um, And we care about it.

1136
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: We care about this, and we care about each other

1137
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: enough to have the tools to not do damage while

1138
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: we're trying to build this thing. Um. And then I

1139
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: see a therapist on my own, which I love it.

1140
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: It really really helps me stay grounded. And you know,

1141
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: we're we're in a tumultuous little business here. It's like

1142
00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: very very strange and different every day. And got your girl,

1143
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: your therapist minds a woman? Two? Do you ever do

1144
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: I was only raised by women, mom, grandma. I was

1145
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: adopting my grandmother for a while, So I only feel

1146
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: comfortable with older women telling you what to do. Yeah,

1147
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: that's gonna move. Um do you ever do the Were

1148
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: they just sitting? They were quiet at you? And you know,

1149
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: because that's a that's a technique, right, And I also

1150
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: do it in this But so since I talk to

1151
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: people and get things out of them with that technique,

1152
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: when she does it to me, she'll just sit there

1153
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: because silent. Yeah yeah, I'll just sit and stare out

1154
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: there too. I'll wait her out well, staring games. You know.

1155
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: The funny thing is that people love to talk about themselves.

1156
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: It's like, not if you just sit there and listen,

1157
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: like they'll tell you. They'll tell you all kinds of stuff. Well,

1158
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: I se her out, She'll look at me and I

1159
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: know the technique and it's not what therapy is. I'm

1160
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: trying to win. They yeah, yeah, I'm trying to win therapy.

1161
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: Let me roll there some quick quick answers here. Do

1162
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: you wear a go pro when you downhill bike? Um?

1163
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: I have before. I just bought one and I haven't

1164
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: used to yet. Insane. I will see your Instagram stories

1165
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: on that bike and I'm like, are you out of

1166
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: your mind? But that's the thing, how would you ride down?

1167
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: Love it? I love it? And have you ever done

1168
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: anything like that? Do you bike or anything? Do do anything? Like? What?

1169
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: God stop? You're super athletic, but didn't mean I wouldn't

1170
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: done this. You should go. I should go. I can

1171
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: insure things on me. I come on, I feel so alive.

1172
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: Like do they have bunny slopes? If you would take

1173
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: me to a bunny slope, I would do a bunny

1174
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: slope and then we would just I'm sorry, you just

1175
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: gotta get on the bike and go because you don't

1176
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: try to hero it, Like if you see a huge jump,

1177
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,439
Speaker 1: just don't do it. But um, yeah, it's been really fun.

1178
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: I've been to Whistler in Canada and Aspen Jackson Hole.

1179
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: Um there's a little bike park around here, but like

1180
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: that's what I would do. Yeah, you can go to

1181
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: the little bike park and then we can do that.

1182
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: Put you on a bike and smack your as little bike,

1183
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: little hills, little helmet, your vintage stores or just really

1184
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: cool new stuff that looks old. What's what's what are

1185
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 1: we have? Um? Yeah, I use a mix of everything.

1186
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: Like I just kind of like I just wear what

1187
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: I what I like. How about your Instagram post? You

1188
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: take a lot of the picture over and over again

1189
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: to find one, or you just like boom, there it is,

1190
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: that's the one. What do you mean? Like, well, you

1191
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: any picture at all? You know? Do you do? You

1192
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: like take a hundred and I'll pick one. Yeah, okay, yeah, alright,

1193
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: just see not earth that you are? How do you

1194
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: know how real you are right now? How much do

1195
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: you filter? No? The realness is if you answer the

1196
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: question real not and how you actually do it? How

1197
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: do you feel about Instagram removing the likes. I love it.

1198
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: I think it's so smart. I think that, Um, when

1199
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: I first started Instagram, it was all about the photos, um,

1200
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: which I love that. That's kind of why I got.

1201
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: I don't have a Facebook page, and I haven't been

1202
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: on Facebook and years. But we're friends on Facebook. And

1203
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: I just sent you money last week. How do you

1204
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: send money on on Facebook? You? I thought you needed it,

1205
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: and you're like, please send me some money? Said correct, Then, mommy,

1206
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: I'm you're I'm an influencer. Now apparently let me influence you. Okay,

1207
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: I'm already influence. I'm gonna med. Okay, I'm gonna drink

1208
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: beat jam or whatever you have over this. This is

1209
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: a nourishing herbal infus. I love that the likes are gone.

1210
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: I think that it's like this there there have been

1211
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: extensive studies shown that it's harmful to us, um, and

1212
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: I think that it's going to be like social media

1213
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: will be like our parents was smoking, you know, when

1214
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: they used to smoke in the car with the kids,

1215
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: Like no one really knew the damage that was doing

1216
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: until like we know, and we're like, oh my god,

1217
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: it was gnarly that they would ask us smoking or not,

1218
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 1: like in a restaurant. You know, I think that's what

1219
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: our kids are going to say about social media. I

1220
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: say the same thing about sugar. That's saying to man,

1221
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: what a gnarly thing. That's gonna be years We're going

1222
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: to go what were we doing? Yeah? That's it. Well listen,

1223
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: let me say this. You should. Uh. I'm a big

1224
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: fan Runaway June, a big fan of your great singer. Um.

1225
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: Everyone should check out Blue Roses and this thing last forever.

1226
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: You probably have four records out. People be listening to

1227
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: this five six years from now. I hope, so um

1228
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: check out Blue Roses the record. I'll we were rich.

1229
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: Hey play some of the fastest you cover because this one.

1230
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: We played this last night. I loved Yokum and when

1231
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: I heard this, I was like, oh boys, am I

1232
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: And it's so it's real good. Yeah, it's real good.

1233
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: It's really good. I know he had a long night

1234
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: last night. We've done an hour that we hit one

1235
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: hour here. Some of this is usable. It all goes

1236
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: up immediately. This is it's all usable. There's no editing,

1237
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: no editing, no filters, no filters. So um follow Naomi

1238
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: at Naomi underscore cook on Instagram. That's right, right, you

1239
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 1: know somebody had Naomi Cook without the underscore. Who had that?

1240
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: I don't know you did, somebody? Why why would you

1241
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: get the underscore? Nobody wants an underscore like you just

1242
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: must have. I couldn't believe it. Who runs the runaway

1243
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: June page? We do? Clearly it's a mess. Dude. Guys

1244
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: slide into your personal d M all the time randomly.

1245
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: I actually don't check my d ms anymore. It just

1246
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 1: would bump me out. It just bumped. It was big

1247
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: time bum out because well, I've never I've never done

1248
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: any dating apps ever, um like, and so it kind

1249
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: of started to feel like a dating app, like I

1250
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: was just being hit up by like all kinds of people.

1251
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: Made me kind of feel like, whoa, there's just nothing

1252
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: natural left. And um I was like, I felt like

1253
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: I was being ordered like a pizza. I'm like, no,

1254
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: I just I just stopped. Don't hate technology, I don't.

1255
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: I don't hate it technology. There's been some good things

1256
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Speaker 1: that have happened, but I really don't check my like

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Speaker 1: I'll talk to my fans in the comments section, like

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Speaker 1: you comment on something. I'll talk to you there, but

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Speaker 1: get out of my d MS. I comment on every

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Speaker 1: picture and I never get a message it I don't comment.

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Speaker 1: I should comment on stuff. I never did. You don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm on a comment on everything, and I always always

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Speaker 1: acknowledge you there where If you comment on something, do

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Speaker 1: I I'd never go back and look what? What is

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Speaker 1: this conversation? Why would I like your comment? If you're

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Speaker 1: not going to go back and see that, you will

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Speaker 1: comment on somebody's then go back and see if they've

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Speaker 1: acknowledge your comming. You get a little you get alert,

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Speaker 1: don't you right? Too many followers, I don't know, like

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Speaker 1: a mild flex. They're so glad that you're a product

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Speaker 1: of this. You're a product all right? Here we are,

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Speaker 1: Episode two twelve, Runaway June. Check out Blue Roses. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for coming by. Oh my god, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: It's so fun. How did it feel rolling solo doing

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Speaker 1: an interview? I felt pretty pretty cool with you, felt good.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't say for other ones, though, well,

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Speaker 1: I say, just wrapped. Never do another solo one ever.

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Speaker 1: And also let me say hi to Hannah Engine love

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Speaker 1: them and I know they're not here, but if they

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Speaker 1: want to come in individually to you. Guys, can all

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Speaker 1: trash talk each other, would be great. We've cut out

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Speaker 1: all the trash talking. By the way, if you're hearing this,

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Speaker 1: we cut out all the trash talks. We're in therapy.

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Speaker 1: There's no trash talking outside. Yeah, all right now me,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Thanks Bobby,