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Speaker 1: Cardinals one, Steelers and Mother Nature. Nothing. Welcome Bird Gang,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to a victory Monday. On today's show, Paul

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Speaker 1: Calvic joins me he was in the eye of the storm. Literally.

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Speaker 1: The Cardinals beat the Steelers, they beat Mother Nature, they

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Speaker 1: beat the odds. Great way to head into the bye week.

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Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode seven oh seven, and it

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Speaker 1: starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Budda Baker, What Heart?

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Speaker 1: What rent?

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Speaker 3: This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: He's at the ten half of five.

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Speaker 1: He's it again, So more hurry magic.

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Speaker 2: Whoaw here's Craig griolud.

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Speaker 1: So Sunday was first, at least for me, Paul. I've

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Speaker 1: never been to parts of a rain delay coverage on

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Speaker 1: a Cardinals broadcast, and I think it was our executive producer,

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Speaker 1: jim On Mahunter that remembers a preseason game in nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety seven in Chicago that was delayed and pushed back

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Speaker 1: a day that predates me.

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Speaker 3: But I remember that I didn't cover that, but I

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Speaker 3: got tails that there was standing water through the bowels

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Speaker 3: of Soldier Field and Arizona media members were basically up

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Speaker 3: past their ankles and just water and sewage at Soldier

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Speaker 3: Field at the time. So, yes, that did happen. That

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Speaker 3: was a thing circa nineteen ninety seven.

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Speaker 1: And Olmo remembers Larry Sentners doing belly flops and the

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Speaker 1: rain as he texted myself and Kent Summers during the

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Speaker 1: seconds of what were two rain delays and not rain lightning,

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Speaker 1: because the NFL will play through rain, they'll play through snow,

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Speaker 1: they will not play through lightning. And typically in Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: in December, that does not happen. And it was a surprise.

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Speaker 1: And so we have a four hour and eighteen minute game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the longest Cardinals game of the Super Bowl era.

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Speaker 3: I really wanted to yell at the side judge who

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Speaker 3: was in front of me, Hey, we're past the fifth

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Speaker 3: inning here, Cardinals are leading. Can't you just give them

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Speaker 3: the win? Let's just call this thing right now. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it was a process, there's no doubt, and in just

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Speaker 3: the change in weather from the first quarter, I'm like, man,

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Speaker 3: I did not pack my sunglasses. Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 3: And I'm shielding my eyes because of course you're on

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Speaker 3: the visitor's sideline, You're getting in the full sun. And

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Speaker 3: then by early second quarter you're like oh. And then

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Speaker 3: I looked across the field and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: the Steelers equipment guys are starting to put tarps over

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Speaker 3: some of their stuff. And then I looked to my

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Speaker 3: left and the Cardinals equipment guys are doing the same thing.

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Speaker 3: What do they know that I don't know? How are

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Speaker 3: they checking the Doppler? And five minutes later Taylor's boom?

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Speaker 3: And then which is what made the ninety nine yard

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Speaker 3: drive to talk football here for a minute even that

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Speaker 3: much more impressive, because Kyler was rolling into the wind

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, and there was a driving rain

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Speaker 3: much of that fifteen play drive.

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Speaker 1: Before we dive into the twenty four to ten win

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Speaker 1: sixty nine. And again, kyl Vic was not on the

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Speaker 3: Maybe Darren was.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 3: I'll leave that joke for Danny.

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Speaker 1: But first things first, as much as I weekly yearly

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Speaker 1: about weather and looking ahead to the schedule when we

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Speaker 1: get it in May, and you look, hey, Paul, look,

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Speaker 1: it's Pittsburgh, it's Chicago, it's Philadelphia in December. It's all

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Speaker 1: in good fun until it actually happens. And I honestly

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Speaker 1: seventy five percent chance of rain. Ah, no big deal.

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Speaker 1: I don't look out it until Friday, and then kickoff

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Are you okay? No, that's the least of our concerns.

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Speaker 3: Is the pencil next sideline radio guy. I'll say this much. Look,

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Speaker 3: when it didn't rain on Saturday, I knew we were

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Speaker 3: but it wasn't interesting to see. So first they had halftime,

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Speaker 3: funny to see they're they're bringing in sandwiches, ham and turkey,

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Speaker 3: You're in the lead, but the Steelers are at home.

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Speaker 3: Do they have some sort of home field advantage here

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Speaker 3: during this weather delay? Are you gonna come out with

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Speaker 3: the lack of intensity, effort urgency? No? I mean the

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Speaker 3: Cardinals beat the Steelers at Steelers football TJ. Watt after

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Speaker 3: the game. We got our bleeps kicked. We got pummeled today.

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Speaker 3: Mike Tomlin after the game. We put a lot of

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Speaker 3: JV football out on that field. I always like to

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Speaker 3: hear what the opposing team has to say when you

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Speaker 3: come in with a shocking, surprising win. And yeah, they

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Speaker 3: got beat at their own game. They got out physical

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Speaker 3: the film. The Cardinals offensive line got off the ball

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Speaker 1: It was the first possession on defense and the first

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Speaker 1: And then you bring it up that offensive series three plays,

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Speaker 1: Rondell Moore that was dropped. I mean that one. It

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Speaker 1: it happens. But they pointed to that moment in which

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Speaker 1: misfired there. And again I'm putting words into Kyler Murray's

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Speaker 1: and Kyler Murray was darn near perfect on that drive

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Speaker 1: he was on third down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you think of the turning point of the game

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Speaker 3: as obviously the fourth down stuff and then the ninety

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Speaker 3: Murray realized, Okay, I can throw into this win, I

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Speaker 3: anticipation with my receiver. Because he threw a nice ball

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Speaker 3: to Rondel More later that easily could have been a

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Speaker 3: let's be honest. If there was a metric last season

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Speaker 3: that we're all mystified by, it was the fact that

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Speaker 3: Kyler Murray when it came to deep balls. And I'm

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Speaker 3: it at my handy. Here it is in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 3: two years ago, Kyler led all quarterbacks in DVOA deep throws. Okay,

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Speaker 3: that's just an analytic for sixteen plus air yards last year,

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Speaker 3: even though it wasn't a complete season, he was dead last.

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Speaker 3: So what happened? So I would agree with you that

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Speaker 3: when he saw, okay, you know what, my footwork maybe

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Speaker 3: The deep ball is on the money. Guess what we

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Speaker 3: make a Fitzpatrick. Yes, they're going to try and do

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Speaker 3: anything and everything they can to keep me in the pocket.

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Speaker 3: That's what TJ. Watt told the media going into the game.

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Speaker 3: That's what every opponent says when they play Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 3: We must keep him in the pocket. So like when

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Speaker 3: Russell Wilson in his younger days, when the Cardinals would

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Speaker 3: go play Seattle, what would clay As Campbell and company

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Speaker 3: always say, got to keep Russell Wilson in the pocket,

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Speaker 3: make him beat us from there. And Kyler did a

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Speaker 3: real good job of that. Now the rest of the game,

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Speaker 3: he had most of his success with it tight end position.

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Speaker 3: But you know, slowly but surely he's building this chemistry.

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Speaker 3: And for the Cardinals to come out with their two

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Speaker 3: Wilson and Zach Pascal, you know, we identified that pregame

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Speaker 1: So where do you go first? Obviously, statistically, James Connor

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Speaker 1: had the more eye popping numbers than Kyler Murray. Though

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Speaker 1: Murray led scoring drives, he wasn't as efficient with his throws,

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Speaker 1: but he was directing the offense and the offense was

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Speaker 1: staying on the field ten of seventeen on third down,

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Speaker 1: ten of their last thirteen third downs, and that includes

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Speaker 1: a season best as far as conversions and conversion percentage.

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Speaker 1: And we talked about it a week ago against the Rams.

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Speaker 1: in order that to happen, you need enough plays to

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Speaker 1: keep your offense on the field, meaning you're sustaining drives,

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Speaker 1: you're gaining first downs, and the Cardinals were able to

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Speaker 1: do that on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you can look at Kyler's passing numbers or

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Speaker 3: lack thereof, I don't think it matters at all. In

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Speaker 3: this game, there were three winning stats where he excelled

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Speaker 3: third down. They started zero for four then ripped off

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Speaker 3: eight out of nine, ended up ten to seventeen. Red

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Speaker 3: zone three for three turnovers that Steelers defense was top

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Speaker 3: five and takeaways. Steelers as a team number one, tied

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Speaker 3: eleven come in into the game. So in the three

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Speaker 3: key stats for winning football as a quarterback, Kyler excelled.

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Speaker 1: years away. But that was the city who grew up

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Speaker 1: in college NFL career, and then to see so many

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Speaker 1: familiar faces on the opposite sideline in the stadium, a

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Speaker 1: lot of the workers, and to come out with the

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Speaker 1: win and some bragging rights with a lot of those

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Speaker 1: Steelers players, It's more than just another game for James Connor.

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Speaker 3: I've been around long enough that I'll go with an

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Speaker 3: old reference here. It reminded me of Kurt Warner going

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Speaker 3: back to Saint Louis with the Cardinals, just the way

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Speaker 3: all the stadium workers responded to Kurt Warner, the way

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Speaker 3: they did to James Connor, the respect, the amount of

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Speaker 3: signs and James Connor jerseys that were still in the

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Speaker 3: stands in Steelers Nation, Yenn's Nations, the Insers, whatever you

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Speaker 3: want to call it, Stiller's as they have up there.

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Speaker 3: But he allowed himself a smile leaving the field, and

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Speaker 3: you saw it in the He grabbed the camera and

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Speaker 3: the social media for the Cardinals' social media team, and

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Speaker 3: there were some pictures of him holding the camera. He

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Speaker 3: had a big, wide grin on his space and I

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Speaker 3: had a quick video that I tweeted out of him

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Speaker 3: running off the field and saluting the Red Sea which

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Speaker 3: gathered above the visitor's tunnel. So he did allow himself

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Speaker 3: that moment of enjoyment and then had his game face

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Speaker 3: on a little bit in the post game. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: he was choosing his words carefully, but you could just tell,

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's an all time career highlight. And you

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Speaker 3: hear James Connor last week going into the game say

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Speaker 3: that when he left Pittsburgh and signed a one year

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Speaker 3: deal with the Cardinals, and then in his mind he

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Speaker 3: was fighting for his football future and a career still

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Speaker 3: to be established in the NFL. A guy had already

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Speaker 3: been to a Pro Bowl at that point. That's remarkable.

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Speaker 3: It gives you a window into his mindset. And when

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Speaker 3: you see him fight for every yard, you realize in

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Speaker 3: his mind he's fighting for a spot in the league

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Speaker 3: on every single snap and see. And that's the kind

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Speaker 3: of mindset. That's why we call him James Connor. The mindset,

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Speaker 3: the mentality, that's what we mean by that.

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Speaker 1: What we saw on Sunday, and what we've seen not

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Speaker 1: only this season, but a year ago and then his

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Speaker 1: first or his three years since leaving the Steelers, is

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Speaker 1: James Connor with this offense. When he's right, the offense

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Speaker 1: is right, and you start looking ahead. Paul Connor is

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Speaker 1: under contract. There is no guaranteed money though on his

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Speaker 1: deal in twenty twenty four. But right now, as we

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Speaker 1: sit here on a victory Monday, following a win in Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 1: it is going to be hard to see this offense

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Speaker 1: without number six on the football field. And I know

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Speaker 1: where the running back position is going where it's headed.

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Speaker 1: But sometimes there is value in not only the player,

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Speaker 1: the person as well, just the presence on the sideline.

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Speaker 1: More specifically, though, on the field, this Cardinals offense needs

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Speaker 1: James Connor, or if it's not James Connor, then find

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Speaker 1: another James Connor. And I don't know if that's that's

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Speaker 1: not very easy to do when you're trying to look,

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Speaker 1: whether that's free agency or the draft.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look at some of the teams the Cardinals

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Speaker 3: have played, right, and you see the disparity in draft

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Speaker 3: picks versus undrafted guys. The Atlanta Falcons b John Robinson

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Speaker 3: top ten pick this year, but actually at the point

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Speaker 3: the Cardinals played Atlanta, Tyler Aljier had more carries. He

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Speaker 3: was a fifth round pick the year before out of

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Speaker 3: b go. You look at the Rams Kyron Williams, what

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Speaker 3: he's been doing. I mean he was a Day three

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Speaker 3: pick himself. Now you look at the Steelers Jalen Warren

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Speaker 3: undrafted guy, and then you have Naji Harris who is

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Speaker 3: high first round pick. So you have this disparity. Teams

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Speaker 3: are able to find running backs to give you a production,

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Speaker 3: but can you find the guy with the size and

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Speaker 3: the speed, and so that's why a Naji Harris was

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Speaker 3: such a tough tackle. For example, that's why Abjon Robinson.

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Speaker 3: You look at the acceleration along with the size and

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Speaker 3: just the ability to wear down a defense over time.

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Speaker 3: And that's exactly what the Cardinals did. In my mind,

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Speaker 3: they played Steelers football. They wore down that Steelers defense

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Speaker 3: in that front seven in the second half. And you

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Speaker 3: can't do that with just any back. James Connor is

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Speaker 3: that physical guy who will feed it to a defense

510
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Speaker 3: and that's what you get, not to mention, not to

511
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Speaker 3: mention what Buddha Baker is the pulse and heartbeat of

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Speaker 3: the defense. James Connor is that to the offense.

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Speaker 1: Well said, by the way, Connor did receive a game

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Speaker 1: ball for his f eforts on Sunday. And a quick

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Speaker 1: clarification because and I tweeted this out earlier on the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Insider social media account, because on the league's play

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Speaker 1: by play sheet or should say play percentage sheet, it

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Speaker 1: does list James Connor is playing one defensive snap, which

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Speaker 1: really would be a first in his career, in the

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Speaker 1: first since he played in college where he shared the

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Speaker 1: same field with Aaron Donald. But we have as I

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Speaker 1: got a notification from our colleague, Darren Urban, that was

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Speaker 1: a mistake by the play by play sheet. So he

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Speaker 1: did not talking about James Connor. He did not have

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Speaker 1: a defensive snap. He didn't play any special teams, even

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Speaker 1: though if you do look at the website and you

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Speaker 1: look at the snap counts, it shows him as playing

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Speaker 1: one defensive snap.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, wow, I miss that. That would have been

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Speaker 3: a say, okay, so it didn't happen, but you know what,

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Speaker 3: if it was to happen, that was the stadium for

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Speaker 3: it to happen in because once upon a time he

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Speaker 3: was recruited in college originally as a defensive end, and

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Speaker 3: he was in the same position group room with Aaron Donald.

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Speaker 3: And if you go back, he split a sack as

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Speaker 3: a freshman in a bowl game with Aaron Donald and

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Speaker 3: then all of a sudden they made him a running

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Speaker 3: back and end up being an All American. How do

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Speaker 3: you know you're in the NFL when a former defensive

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Speaker 3: end pass rusher is now an All Pro running back.

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Speaker 3: That's when you know you're in the NFL. Just a

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Speaker 3: freak show.

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Speaker 1: Before we talk defense, you had a Greg Dortsch antidote

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Speaker 1: that you wanted to discuss as we now tease at

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Speaker 1: vertical here on Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hyundai, proud

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Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 3: All right, so Greg Dortch, right, and it's just remarkable

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Speaker 3: to watch a guy his size, especially like when you

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Speaker 3: watch him on the field and field level, how it

550
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Speaker 3: gets lost in traffic just at his size, but for

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Speaker 3: him to make plays, and and as he made play

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Speaker 3: after play, and what was the big catch he had

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Speaker 3: on third down?

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Speaker 1: Was it eight and twelve? He had a nineteen yard

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Speaker 1: nineteen yard?

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Speaker 3: Or that was that one? So Kelvin Beach him on

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Speaker 3: the sideline, turns around, he's like, point at me. He's playing.

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Speaker 3: And then not long after that, he had that punt

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Speaker 3: return where he started one like boom, he hits the

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Speaker 3: spin button, he comes back, he makes three guys missing,

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Speaker 3: end upetting on a dozen yards. Made it out of

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Speaker 3: absolute nothing. Now, Beach, he's not like turning around and

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Speaker 3: looking at me. He's got something to say, and he's

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Speaker 3: screwing on me. That's Dorch, Greg Dorch, write it down

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Speaker 3: because Beach always gives me a hard time. I got

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Speaker 3: my old school notebook, with all the chicken scratch on it.

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Speaker 3: And so he's like, write that down, Calvacy, and I'm like, yes, sir,

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Speaker 3: mister Kelvin Beach'm my former Steeler. I will write that.

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Speaker 3: I go look, pound for pound, Dorch might be my

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Speaker 3: favorite guy on the team. The compete level out of

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Speaker 3: that dude is infectious. And you know what, I get it.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't look the part. Maybe it doesn't look like

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Speaker 3: east part of the Cardinals football future when you have

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Speaker 3: a bunch of new decision makers. But I think they've

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Speaker 3: found out over the course of the season that he

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Speaker 3: plays winning football and has in his snap percentages increased

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Speaker 3: every single game for about a month now, third straight

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Speaker 3: game of at least forty five snaps on offense.

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Speaker 1: He played forty seven on Sunday and one. He had

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Speaker 1: one of the only two receptions by a wide receiver

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Speaker 1: in the game. Rondell Moore had the other. There were

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Speaker 1: only two catches by wide receivers and that game on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Everything else was caught by the tight end. But the Dortch.

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Speaker 1: And this is something Kyle Nnibasch is a huge Greg

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Speaker 1: Dortsch fan and always wonders why isn't Doorsch playing more.

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Speaker 1: And it comes back to whether it was Cliff Kingsbury

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Speaker 1: or now Jonathan Gannon. You ask them about Dortsch, it's

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Speaker 1: the consistency. Do they see it in practice? Because when

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Speaker 1: he does play, when he does get those snaps, good

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Speaker 1: things happen on offense, But it's is where he's supposed

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Speaker 1: to be. Is he running the correct routes? Does he

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Speaker 1: know what position he's supposed to be in on certain packages?

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Speaker 1: And I think maybe things have changed in the positive

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Speaker 1: for Dortsch moving forward because those snaps have increased in

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Speaker 1: this coaching staff.

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Speaker 2: Paul.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll always air towards the younger player, but they

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Speaker 1: want winning players on that football field that know what

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Speaker 1: they're supposed to do.

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Speaker 3: That falls under the category heading of trust. Coaches have

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Speaker 3: to trust you as a player before they'll give you

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Speaker 3: the playing time. And so yeah, maybe there were things

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Speaker 3: off the field that we have no clue about that

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Speaker 3: they cover up with the word consistency. So maybe there

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Speaker 3: are things. Whether it's the new offense, who knows, But

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Speaker 3: all I know is on game day, man, nobody is

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Speaker 3: as fired up as Greg Dortch. Nobody competes. I mean

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Speaker 3: he is competing for his football future every single snap.

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Speaker 3: So there's that, and there was just the overall attitude.

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Speaker 3: He goes, you know what, you're two and ten, You're

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Speaker 3: coming off a lackluster effort against the Rams at home.

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Speaker 3: It was okay to worry. It was a legit concern.

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Speaker 3: What's the rest of the season going to look like?

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Speaker 3: Is the bottom gonna fall out? Where is this going

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Speaker 3: exactly without anything in the standings of the postseason to

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Speaker 3: play for? And you got your answer. That win that

617
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Speaker 3: game goes such a long way to towards establishing the

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Speaker 3: culture that Jonathan Gannon wants to set. If nothing else,

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Speaker 3: You're coming out of this first season setting that culture,

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Speaker 3: getting a lot of valuable reps to this rookie class.

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Speaker 3: That's gonna pay off down the line. But you know what,

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Speaker 3: you need the results. I firmly believe that you need

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Speaker 3: the results to prove that the process works. It just

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Speaker 3: reinforces buy in when you get the reward at the end.

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Speaker 3: And there's the bravado as well. I walked into the

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Speaker 3: locker room and I'm the first media member in there.

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Speaker 3: Somebody was playing Renegade by Styx in the Cardinals locker room.

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Speaker 3: At the end of the game. I'm like, you know what,

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Speaker 3: that's next level.

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Speaker 1: That's really well done, because that's what they did.

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Speaker 3: They came in and they beat the Steelers at their

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Speaker 3: own game. They won still their football.

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Speaker 1: You need some validation, and that's what happened on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: The process pays off on Sunday and you talk about

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Speaker 1: what do you have left to play for? Well, how

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Speaker 1: about the bye week this coming week? And what were

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Speaker 1: you going to get? What Cardinals team were you gonna get? Yep,

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Speaker 1: coming off of performance like they performed against the Rams,

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Speaker 1: inclement weather, you're on the road, it's a two day trip.

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Speaker 1: The bye week is on the horizon. Well, the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: came out and played well and you point two. We

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Speaker 1: talked about the offense, but the defense and that fourth

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Speaker 1: down goal line, Stan Kevin Strong, Jesse Luketta in there

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Speaker 1: as well, stopping Naji Harris, knocking Kenny Pickett out of

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Speaker 1: the game. Jonathan ledbetter on the play before that, knock

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Speaker 1: Pickett out of the game with an ankle injury. He's

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Speaker 1: now gonna miss several weeks, it sounds like, and the

648
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Speaker 1: game just flipped by those two back to pack plays

649
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Speaker 1: by the defense.

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Speaker 3: Think of the teams the Cardinals have played this year, right,

651
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: think of the pass rushers, the premier guys, the Micah Parsons,

652
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 3: the Miles Garretts, even Dexter Lawrence of the Giants. They

653
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 3: all pro nos tackle, you know. And then you go

654
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 3: into this game and you got TJ. Watt and Cam Hayward.

655
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Speaker 3: And by the way, shout out to Will Hernandez and

656
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 3: the interior O line for handling Cam Hayward. Did his

657
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 3: name get called once? Cam Hayward? How many tackles did

658
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 3: Cam Hayward have in that game? Because he was cited

659
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 3: as a big, big piece of that Steelers defense since

660
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Speaker 3: he returned from injury.

661
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Speaker 1: He had one more than you and I combined.

662
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Speaker 3: Wow. See, there you go. That was the game within

663
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Speaker 3: the game, was the whole Cam Hayward thing. But I

664
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Speaker 3: bring that up because how many defensive linemen can people

665
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 3: around the NFL name on the Cardinals roster. Yet yet

666
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 3: the Roy Lopezes of the world we call his name

667
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 3: a lot during the game. I mean, he's productive. Kevin

668
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 3: Strong every time he's in the last two months, Kevin

669
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Speaker 3: Strong has played really good football. In fact, you know,

670
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 3: Kevin Strong was missing in that Rams game when they

671
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 3: gave up two hundred and twenty eight yards rushing. You

672
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 3: can draw a direct line of correlation between his absence

673
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 3: and what the Cardinals run defense was not able to do.

674
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: Jonathan ledbetter. And so these are aren't household names by

675
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 3: any stretch. I mean, look what the Eagles have in

676
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 3: their defensive line room, Look what the Niners have in

677
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 3: their defensive line room. Yet the Cardinals are getting good production.

678
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 3: And so that's a credit to the d line coach

679
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 3: Derek Lebron, to Nick Rollis, Jonathan Gannon, because these guys

680
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 3: have been more than serviceable in a time they were

681
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 3: a real problem for that Steelers a line.

682
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Speaker 1: And also got to give a shout out to Dante

683
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: Still's as well, a sixth round draft pick who is

684
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: only getting snaps because LJ. Colliers out, Carlos Watkins is out,

685
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: but he's making the most of the hour two. Yeah,

686
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: and what do you do when your number is called?

687
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: Are you productive? Can you show that you deserve to

688
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: stay on the football field weekend and week out? Stills

689
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: has there's that nice four to five man rotation now

690
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: on that defensive line. But yeah, no one knows any

691
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: of those guys. They could walk across the you know,

692
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: the walk across in front of you in the mall

693
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: or whatever, and you're just like, okay, whatever. You know,

694
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: maybe they're a player or not, but they don't stand out,

695
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: but they get the job done on game day.

696
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: And what's still intriguing is on third down, along third

697
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 3: down and obvious passing situations, when Nick Ross employs what

698
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 3: we call the eleven card, pick up, all the D

699
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 3: linemen except one come off the field, and sometimes all

700
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 3: the D linemen, but against the Steelers, it was most

701
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 3: of the D linemen save Dante Still, who would stay

702
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 3: out there, and then you just inserted a whole collection

703
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 3: of edge rushers and linebackers and guys standing around the line.

704
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 3: Kenny Pickett was confused. Mitch Trubisky was confused, like most

705
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 3: we've even seen Matthew Stafford call a timeout, like what

706
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 3: the heck am I looking at? And I asked That's

707
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 3: why I asked John in again and after the game,

708
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: you know, he's not going to give you the game plan,

709
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 3: but I said, how many different looks did you present

710
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 3: Steelers quarterbacks? And he sort of smiled, he said, yeah,

711
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 3: I said, by design. Yeah, they changed it up and

712
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 3: on the sideline, you could tell that was the plan.

713
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 3: We're going to show them a little bit of everything,

714
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 3: the whole kitchen sink game plan. Let's see how they respond.

715
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,959
Speaker 3: Because it's not like a division opponent when you play

716
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 3: a team for the first time in a long time,

717
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 3: they don't know exactly what to expect, and the Cardinals

718
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 3: is still busting out creative new fronts and schemes that

719
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 3: are unscattered looks for opposing quarterbacks.

720
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Speaker 1: How do you know Paul has asked a good question

721
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: to the head coach postgame when there's just a little

722
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: bit of a hesitancy when the response is coming, because

723
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, I could just I can

724
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: imagine JG all right, Okay, I can't say that. Let

725
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: me how do I phrase this. I'm not giving anything away,

726
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's you're seeing something different each and every week.

727
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: And maybe it's a product of who's available, what players

728
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: do you have up that given week because of the

729
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: number of injuries. But there's just not a number of

730
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 1: big names outside of Buddha Baker, Jalen Thompson. I think

731
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: is as sending. But outside of our little bubble here

732
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals bubble. There aren't many defensive players that people

733
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: know around the league.

734
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Speaker 3: I mean, you started Key Trell Clark and Devad Wilson,

735
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 3: a pair of rookies. You were playing Starling Thomas, another

736
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 3: undrafted rookie. How how are the Cardinals getting away with this?

737
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 3: I think most people will look at that and say, wow,

738
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 3: that's a serious liability against George Pickens and Deontay Johnson.

739
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 3: And they had a few plays, they had a few catches.

740
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 3: Neither one wrecked the game, just like Pooka Nakua and

741
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 3: Cooper Cup didn't wreck the game the week before. So

742
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 3: I'm not exactly sure I can draw it up or

743
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 3: explain it, but the Cardinals is doing a really good

744
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 3: job defensively. Now they're using five dbs and Nickel is

745
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 3: really the base. And Garrett Williams and Buddha Baker and

746
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 3: Jalen Thompson. You know, you got a pair of elite

747
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 3: safeties and you got Garrett Williams who's preparing like a veteran.

748
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 3: I mean, the coach is rave about how buttoned up

749
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 3: he is, so obviously that's helping. But there's no doubt

750
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 3: that when it comes to football IQ and game plans

751
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 3: The Cardinals are really competitive as a staff, despite the

752
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 3: fact there were very young staff. A lot of these

753
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 3: guys are in positions for the first time. They're not

754
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 3: losing games because they're getting out schemed or out coached.

755
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Speaker 1: It's fun to watch these young kids if you will

756
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: grow and mature. Now you've got four games left, you

757
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: head into the bye week, and now you can kind

758
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 1: of one take a break because this team has gone

759
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: NonStop since Labor Day. It's the latest buy allowed in

760
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: the NFL, and there's a lot of bodies in there,

761
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: some coaches that need a mental break, a physical break.

762
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: The players probably need both. And then now all said, okay,

763
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: you've got four more games with Kyler Murray running the offense,

764
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: and four more games trying to figure out defensively who

765
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: you can count on, who you want back, what holes

766
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: do we need to fill, and yeah, there are holes

767
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: across all three levels of the defense. The Cardinals defense,

768
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,959
Speaker 1: once again second straight week, did not record a sec

769
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: Now they pressure the heck out of the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterbacks,

770
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: but you're not getting all the way home. You would

771
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: like to see Ani Dresser to someone that you could

772
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: point to defensively or all the opposing offense say, okay,

773
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: we need to make sure of where that guy is

774
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: lining up A TJ. Watt Okay, they don't grow on trees,

775
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,959
Speaker 1: but someone like that, maybe a cornerback that you could

776
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: rely on, and then put guys back in their normal

777
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: level of staff count to where you're not pushing the

778
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: envelope so much.

779
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 3: Look, this off season, there won't be as much change

780
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 3: as last offseason, but there will be change. There will

781
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 3: be blood. This is a two year process at least.

782
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 3: And so all right, you made the initial wave of

783
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 3: changes last you're trying to identify guys who fit your culture,

784
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 3: your mold. It's not a fluke that all these rookies

785
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 3: are getting all this playing time because this talent evaluation department,

786
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 3: led by many asen for, they put a real emphasis

787
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 3: on the sort of person, the sort of player, the

788
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 3: mindset they want. They value these meetings where they try

789
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 3: and get a window into okay, we can see the

790
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 3: measurables and all that, but what sort of professional will

791
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 3: this guy be? And they're looking for that certain type

792
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 3: of player. And so you got a month left, you

793
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 3: got four games left if you're a Cardinals player to

794
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 3: prove that to this staff, no allegiances. I firmly believe

795
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 3: that that will continue. Who knows, there's some big name

796
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 3: players who might not be on this roster a year

797
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 3: from now. But yeah, it's all on the line. And

798
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: don't think that they're not taking names and numbers and

799
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 3: trying to figure out especially coming off that Rams game.

800
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 3: Guess what the time was now, it was real time

801
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 3: as to all right, who's going to be part of

802
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 3: this future and who Isn't.

803
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: One more thing we need to check off before we

804
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: call it a week here on Cardinals Cover two presented

805
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: by Hyundai Probub, partner of the Arizona Cardinals. That's right,

806
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: this is our first and only show of the week. Hey,

807
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: we need a break as well here within the Arizona Cardinals,

808
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: but certainly the Cardinals coming off win much easier to

809
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: go into the bye week with the w Cardinals three

810
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: and ten two and two though since Kyler Murray has returned.

811
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: But one thing we have not done here on this

812
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: victory Monday, our angry Bird Award? Is it several birds?

813
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: Are we just going to keep it a singular bird

814
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: here in week thirteen?

815
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 3: And I do apologize to key Troll Clark, last week's winner.

816
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 3: He's on the Big Red Rage I show. Its hysterical,

817
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 3: but I showed him the award, but I couldn't really

818
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 3: give him the award. We're going to work on that

819
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: in an offseason. I do have a budget request in

820
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 3: for seventeen Angry Bird Awards that we can actually hang

821
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 3: a hand out Next year. I'm going to go with

822
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 3: Kevin Strong, Will Hernandez serious consideration, Roy Lopez serious consideration.

823
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 3: But what Kevin did that fourth down stuff everything else

824
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 3: he did to help restore the Cardinals run defense, because

825
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 3: that's really where the game plan started, coming off the

826
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 3: Rams game where they ran Grandma got run over by

827
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 3: a reindeer. The Cardinals got run over by a Ram

828
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: in week eleven, and so you needed to come back

829
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 3: and really reinforce that you were there against naj Harris

830
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 3: and Jalen Warren and that Steelers offensive line, and the

831
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 3: Cardinals did that, and really it started with the interior

832
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 3: d line in my opinion. And Kevin Strong is this

833
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 3: week's Angry Bird Award winner, so.

834
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Speaker 1: He doesn't get a physical award, but he did have

835
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: Rady oh Rob and he did have though the physical

836
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: presence of a postgame interview with you on the airs

837
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: on a Cardinals radio network. So you know that's right.

838
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 3: He endured the postgame interview, so you know, for that

839
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 3: that goes into the mix as well as the consideration.

840
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 3: You know, he had to endure our questions there in

841
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: a cramped locker room on the road. Dude very much

842
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 3: wanted a warm shower after two lengthy delays and a

843
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: lot of rain and you know, the temperature drop all

844
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 3: the aboves So for that, for you know, for waiting

845
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: it out even longer after a four and a half

846
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 3: hour game, we do appreciate the effort, by the.

847
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: Way, not to rub it in, but let's go full

848
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: circle here. Did you get that warm shower before you're

849
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: able to.

850
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 3: Head back to absolutely not that. The worst part, Greed,

851
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 3: I've said this before, isn't the game itself where you

852
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 3: know you're getting soaked on the sideline. The worst part

853
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 3: is when the game ends, because now you are soaked

854
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 3: and you got to you gotta wear it, literally, you

855
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 3: gotta wear it all the way home. So you know

856
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 3: I've talked about how the boxers are bunging, Well, the

857
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 3: boxers were soaked all the way home and guess what

858
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 3: you're sitting back in fifty four D for a good

859
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 3: trip home. And yeah, you know, I didn't get my

860
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 3: hot shower until I got to Costa Calvic.

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Speaker 1: If you're going to play a game that goes four

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Speaker 1: hours and eighteen minutes, you damn well better win that game,

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Speaker 1: and the Cardinals did on Sunday twenty four to ten.

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Speaker 1: We'll let Paul get that warm shower and dry off

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Speaker 1: and let everyone enjoy a much deserved, well earned by week.

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Speaker 1: On that note, we'll put a lid on this edition

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Speaker 1: of Cardinals Cover two, presented by Yundai, probably partner of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our executive

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Speaker 1: producer Jill Mamahindre, our associate producer Coddy Fincher. From Paul Calvic,

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Speaker 1: I'm Craig Real and we'll talk to you in one

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Speaker 1: week's time. Enjoy the bye week everyone here on Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two