WEBVTT - Noel

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<v Speaker 1>I live on one of those families now where anything

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<v Speaker 1>that I say could show up in a podcast. Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>Hello bro, Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas to you as well

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<v Speaker 1>as some listeners may know. My producer here, Max Williams,

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<v Speaker 1>and myself are flesh and blood brothers. We go to

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<v Speaker 1>the same home for Christmas. We are there now, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>recording in a spare bedroom. So well, yeah, I'm saying

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<v Speaker 1>we're just doing something a little different. Today's something a

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<v Speaker 1>little fun. Um. There's a moment, uh in a recent

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<v Speaker 1>episode that we did, the episode about Romeo Mueller and

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<v Speaker 1>his ranking bass specials and so many Christmas specials over

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<v Speaker 1>the years, and his last one, the last one that

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<v Speaker 1>was produced in his lifetime, his last script. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a movie called Noel. We have Rick Coachman talk about

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<v Speaker 1>it for a second and I mentioned in brief passing

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<v Speaker 1>that it was my personal childhood favorite, but I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I did justice to just how fascinating I

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<v Speaker 1>think that film is watched it probably every year at

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<v Speaker 1>least while we were children. Like a lot of our

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<v Speaker 1>things in our childhood, and you know, being a year

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<v Speaker 1>and a half apart, I guess we're shared in that occasion.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've watched no Welfield a bunch of times that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really remembering myself that well at all. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, it's about a little Christmas ornament

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<v Speaker 1>who has very special conditions when he's being created. Of

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<v Speaker 1>all the Christmas tree ornaments turned out that year very

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<v Speaker 1>long ago, only one head of happiness. The glass blower

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<v Speaker 1>that's making him receives a memo. A child break runs

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<v Speaker 1>up to him with this little paper and runs away,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's blowing this ornament with his other hand. He

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<v Speaker 1>reads the memo and and the narrator, Charlton Heston, lets

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<v Speaker 1>you know that his granddaughter, his first granddaughter, has been

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<v Speaker 1>born or something, and he has a little tear of

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<v Speaker 1>joy that runs down the glass blowing stick and it

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<v Speaker 1>goes into the ornament. It was Noel. Is a good

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<v Speaker 1>fortune that that one marriage year became heartet of him,

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<v Speaker 1>And then down was this ornament who becomes known as

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<v Speaker 1>Noel with a certain happiness. Is Noel. And I have

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<v Speaker 1>seen it for one thing. It is directly about ephemera.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about this box of a dozen Christmas ornaments, or

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<v Speaker 1>a thing called a dozen. All of them together we're

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<v Speaker 1>something called a dozen in a thing called a box.

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<v Speaker 1>Where are we in the box? Thing stupid? In a

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<v Speaker 1>thing called an attic, and a thing called a home.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the hole? Thing? People? Things, books, and we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about this? And a thing called a podcast. Uh that

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<v Speaker 1>that gets forgotten about, Noel. The rest of the dun

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<v Speaker 1>were put into a high, dusty, dark thing called etch,

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<v Speaker 1>where they became a thing called forgotten, And really the

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<v Speaker 1>whole house gets forgotten about. Noel never heard the terrible

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<v Speaker 1>final shown the lock bay as it shut off life

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<v Speaker 1>and warmed the joy from the old empty house, leaving

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<v Speaker 1>it with the ghosts of long ago Christmas is which

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<v Speaker 1>everyone you'd forgotten. And as the years crept slowly by,

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<v Speaker 1>the dozen slept on like the house, their bright colors

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<v Speaker 1>faded and chipped. Indeed, everything seemed over. But to maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of Christmas magic, these forgotten objects get

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<v Speaker 1>a chance at a second life. I say seemed over,

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<v Speaker 1>because when you have a happiness, nothing has ever completely gone.

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<v Speaker 1>So I went looking for a copy of it. Well

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<v Speaker 1>as he was short, okay, Noel, the christ boum Google.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure he only showed one or a few years

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<v Speaker 1>around ninety two, when it came out. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>Golden Book's adaptation during the television promotion leading up to

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<v Speaker 1>the premier and it looks like, yeah, there was a

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<v Speaker 1>vhsot that came out at the time. I went looking

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<v Speaker 1>on Amazon to see if you could buy it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>n yeah, you can. You could get the VHS tape

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<v Speaker 1>used starting from eight nine nine eBay. Oh yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you can get this out of print VHS rare on

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<v Speaker 1>eBay forty nine plus shipping That sound like faby, I say, wow, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not really easy to find. I knew it was

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<v Speaker 1>on YouTube at the resolutions it's pretty low. It was

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<v Speaker 1>really gonna that's what we got. That's what we got.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what you get to do with. Unfortunately, oh we

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<v Speaker 1>we Well, we might have it on VHS. I was

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<v Speaker 1>so confident coming back home for the holidays that I

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<v Speaker 1>would be able to find and Dad's extensive VHS archives.

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<v Speaker 1>It was confident that I would be able to find

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, the well worn, well loved copy of

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<v Speaker 1>it that we played over and over. Dad. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that we have no l on VHS? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Do nothing we did before? Well, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>happened to it if we did, and so we Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we searched all over. Can I hear? And you looked

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<v Speaker 1>up there? Yeah, that's all d ds. Okay, the closet

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<v Speaker 1>to the closet, we shall go. You want to look

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<v Speaker 1>at the top and I'll look at the bottom. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Brown, Christmas can look for Noel. Yeah, that is

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<v Speaker 1>funny that, like halving, these things are now in my handwriting. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>here's children's Christmas videos. If we have it. It seems

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<v Speaker 1>like it's going to be on that. I swear that

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<v Speaker 1>tape is around. We looked extensively for it. I know

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<v Speaker 1>there was a tape, and I remember the tape. You're talking, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that might all be for not And this

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<v Speaker 1>is all that Dad would have gotten rid of it,

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<v Speaker 1>though he didn't. He likes to say that he did,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know he didn't. It's just I'm not in

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<v Speaker 1>his nature. He never did. Like no help. I have

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<v Speaker 1>had over the years these super passionate disagreements with Dad

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<v Speaker 1>about that movie, which I think is is visionary and

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<v Speaker 1>he thinks is just terrible, just unbearably unbearably bad. Why

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that Dad dislikes this movie so much?

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<v Speaker 1>Repetitive that's very very repuditive, which children like. But you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't like that. It's a happiness, isn't this thing? He

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<v Speaker 1>says the same things over and over again. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>know you. You were a very big fan of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there's a you know ornament we're gonna call

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<v Speaker 1>it that you made it as a child and was

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<v Speaker 1>always on every Christmas tree. You're no wilds, they're on

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<v Speaker 1>a little trick looks just like I forgot that I

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<v Speaker 1>made a Noel. But what was cool as you just

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<v Speaker 1>made that was like as a big fan, you just

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<v Speaker 1>made that. You like founally supplies yourself and made it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like nobody sat you down and said let's

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<v Speaker 1>make it a well. I was just the most surprised

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<v Speaker 1>about the biggest defender of Noel, who was not you.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, obviously you defended it. I did not. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have any horses. First, I am the constant. But

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<v Speaker 1>Mom's feelings towards this movie. Do you remember the movie? Mom? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I know it. I know well. I liked it. He

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<v Speaker 1>got the happiness because the glassblowers found out that his

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<v Speaker 1>granddaughter was born. Believes his only daughter you've just given

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<v Speaker 1>birth to a baby. Good he was a grand at last.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's the cranky like the angel, the Angel,

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<v Speaker 1>she's not angel, which she is? I am missed, Freezone,

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<v Speaker 1>the ice Maiden. If you please, I am a very

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<v Speaker 1>unusual friend. Gracious you have a different tree every year.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Brutus. That knows you season's gratings. Who's that?

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<v Speaker 1>That's the train? J creet Hi, and then I'm January.

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<v Speaker 1>First they get put in the attic and he's really

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<v Speaker 1>traumatized at first, goodbye little fellow, goodbye he that happiness.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, never Noel ever saw Brutus again. And then

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<v Speaker 1>he learns it gets to come out. Hi, I know it.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know? It's the same writer that wrote Rudolph.

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<v Speaker 1>His name is Romeo and mother. He wrote Rudolph, He

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<v Speaker 1>wrote Frosty, he wrote you were out of Santa Claus.

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<v Speaker 1>He wrote Santa Claus Coming to Town. He wrote a

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<v Speaker 1>Little Drummer Boy. He wrote all of those Rank of

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<v Speaker 1>Bass movies. And this was his last movie while he

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<v Speaker 1>was still alive. This was his last script. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>good movie. We couldn't find the tape. I thought it'd

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<v Speaker 1>be one of those who's not here. It's not here.

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<v Speaker 1>We end up streaming on YouTube, watching it with mom

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<v Speaker 1>and dad. Unless it was a better happy No, it's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also narrative by trying heston, I did not know that. Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>my name is Noel, and I have a happiness. It

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to who's breaking record. They're also creaky, yes, Noel,

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<v Speaker 1>but I had a happiness. How terribly middle clubs. Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>what a little bake? Baby's walking around? Don't shout? They

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<v Speaker 1>are called people thing down him a little ack. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>honestly they are children. Then I don't know why they

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<v Speaker 1>know everything and he doesn't. And he was blown the

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<v Speaker 1>same r. It was a thing called the mother. Is

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<v Speaker 1>it from possible? They look at everything that's Christmas? I

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<v Speaker 1>love you, she loves me. What's that down there? Miss?

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<v Speaker 1>I can't see inside? Trusted as a toy stable, So

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<v Speaker 1>why would they have a toy table? Well, somehow that

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<v Speaker 1>little stable is the thing that night is hold Moms.

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<v Speaker 1>She was crying in the first act, before anything sad

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<v Speaker 1>had happened. Yes, yes, when things were there the first act. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>you guess your party cry if you want to. I

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<v Speaker 1>definitely think that I got my sensitivity from mother. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>me too. It's a running joke that it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is gonna make me cry, And I know that's

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<v Speaker 1>not a high bar to clear. They've done. Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm down. There was a new tree named Harrob, but

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<v Speaker 1>almost everything else was the same as the year before.

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<v Speaker 1>But it seemed but almost before it started, Christmas was

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<v Speaker 1>over again. Noel said goodbye to Harrow, to the attic,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you his prison once more. And in this way

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<v Speaker 1>year followed year, a bitter sweet, blended joy and attics.

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<v Speaker 1>After Harold, there was Bernard. After Bernard, there was Anthony

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<v Speaker 1>and Gregory and Irving Jock. Then one day, years later,

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<v Speaker 1>Noel heard something terror from down below. Oh what's the use?

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<v Speaker 1>Kids scattered all over the country with families of their own.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's not bother with a tree this year, all right, dear,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, no, Christmas. The animation is actually than I

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<v Speaker 1>remember you know what it actually it is. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not Yogi Bearer, it's not. Perhaps it was the happiness working.

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<v Speaker 1>It's magic. I found these old ornaments in the attic.

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<v Speaker 1>These are just too chipped and old to use. Shipped

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<v Speaker 1>an old bear. Con Wait, we could use this little

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<v Speaker 1>fellow to balance out that branch in the back such

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<v Speaker 1>a mom thing to say to balance out this branch

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<v Speaker 1>of the bag, the little old red ornament. It's broken,

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<v Speaker 1>but someone old Noil was still aware. He was on

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<v Speaker 1>the floor. He knew that, and for the first time

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<v Speaker 1>he could look into the tiny stable. Why there's little

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<v Speaker 1>toy people think, and a little joy children think, think

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<v Speaker 1>all found He was like all the different continents. Now

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<v Speaker 1>I did not remember this part the continents, but now

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<v Speaker 1>that his own last body was no more, the happiness

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<v Speaker 1>that was really was released. So it was very nine.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like the world some spoke, different tongue, different

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<v Speaker 1>ways of life, something that never even heard of Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>But this last list, last line is we if I

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<v Speaker 1>make just my case for it very succinctly. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that the message is really lovely in it,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, and now I guess I think about it

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<v Speaker 1>differently because I know a little bit about the backstory

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<v Speaker 1>of the person. I think maybe the thing that I

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<v Speaker 1>find that I found really interesting about it as a

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<v Speaker 1>kid is it was about these like you know, forgotten artifacts,

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<v Speaker 1>and you like the ephemorality. Yeah, I mean, I I

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<v Speaker 1>think that certainly drew me to it as a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, so I think that I think about

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<v Speaker 1>it now. I think about this guy who spent a career,

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<v Speaker 1>He spent three decades writing Christmas specials and this was

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<v Speaker 1>the last one that he did. And the message of

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<v Speaker 1>it is so like the material world is not going

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<v Speaker 1>to last. You as a material being are not gonna last.

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<v Speaker 1>And everyone's getting old, everyone's everything is changing, and like

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<v Speaker 1>the houses are falling apart in the ornaments are getting older, cracks,

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<v Speaker 1>and the kids are growing up and and getting married,

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<v Speaker 1>going off to war. And I mean it doesn't really

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<v Speaker 1>even though it's total really spoken to a kid, it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't sugarcoat a lot of things. You never see Bruce

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<v Speaker 1>again when Bruce is dragged out, He's gone right there,

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<v Speaker 1>You're super straight with you. You know, there's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't sort of dumb it down for for the

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<v Speaker 1>child listeners, but just the fact that every material thing

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<v Speaker 1>is going to go away, and the point of it

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<v Speaker 1>all the meaning of Christmas. I mean, you could take

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<v Speaker 1>it literally is the is the is the Christian meaning,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the baby Jesus. But I also think that, like

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<v Speaker 1>I think about the scene in the in the Manger

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<v Speaker 1>down there is a family come together, right and it's

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<v Speaker 1>all the message of all the baby, he got the

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<v Speaker 1>happiness because of the baby. A baby, right, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>message is community always a little weird, but but even

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<v Speaker 1>I mean so, and it's it's very steeped in the

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<v Speaker 1>aesthetic of the time that it was in. But it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere in the skyscrapers of New York and then the

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<v Speaker 1>eaglues in the North Polem wherever like that, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>really matter, and it doesn't even isn't necessarily it transcends

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, one particular religious belief where it's like

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<v Speaker 1>it's just how worthwhile it is to just embrace the

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<v Speaker 1>people that you love. I think it's a beautiful message.

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<v Speaker 1>And other thoughts, other thoughts on no, well, I just

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<v Speaker 1>love no. Well. I liked it then the and we've

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<v Speaker 1>got a little hokey for me back then. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's you know, it's like they it's kind of reminds

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<v Speaker 1>me a little those three students at the end, where

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<v Speaker 1>like they don't know how to end it, so they

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<v Speaker 1>just ending that was good. Yeah, I get how annoying

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<v Speaker 1>the whole repetition thing is. It is. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>think my complaints are fairly superficial. They're not. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>that it's a bad story, but I think you enjoyed

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<v Speaker 1>disliking it. Yeah, no, no, that's not will say the story.

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<v Speaker 1>The story is a plus. It is a good story.

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<v Speaker 1>Just get on you. I'm like, it's why are you

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<v Speaker 1>mad at that? It's wholesome? They're watching something wholesome. It's

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<v Speaker 1>got a good message. Why you like running down such

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<v Speaker 1>a thing that's toldsome? They like it. I used to

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<v Speaker 1>get mad at him because he was like, I mean,

0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:09.560
<v Speaker 1>it's a lot, a lot like the Power Arrangers were.

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<v Speaker 1>They're beating each other up. Noel was good. I get

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing joke. But it's just into that ground.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like kind of six minutes into it, it's running

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<v Speaker 1>to the ground them. So like I think Christmas Specials,

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<v Speaker 1>by their very nature have a tendency to be kind

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<v Speaker 1>of saccharin and sort of like overly sappy and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of goofy. They all already some extent, but they're like

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<v Speaker 1>different for the different eras that they're in, right, Like

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<v Speaker 1>Rudolph is super campy, but it's in like an aesthetic

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<v Speaker 1>of your guy's time. It is because you were that

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<v Speaker 1>was when it was first coming out that maybe being

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<v Speaker 1>a nonconformist was okay, Yeah, that was new, that was

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<v Speaker 1>a new concept. I didn't even think about Rudolph is counting.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, because like him and Hermes were like outcast

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<v Speaker 1>because Herms didn't like to make toys and Rudolf had

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<v Speaker 1>that nose. Even Santa threw him out. It was terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>You weren't supposed to be different in the sixties. Hermes

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<v Speaker 1>was wanted to be a dentist, right, yeah, you weren't

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be different in the sixties. And even at

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<v Speaker 1>the end, they said, even Santa realized he might have

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<v Speaker 1>been a little hard on Rudolph, a little hard on Rudolph.

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<v Speaker 1>He told Rudolph couldn't be he was main to him.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know what, Mom, I think that I got

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<v Speaker 1>my sensitivity from you. Well I know where you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get it from? What Dad? You have anything that no

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<v Speaker 1>one will criticize you for two minutes. You have anything

0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:50.000
<v Speaker 1>he likes to say about Noel, anybody feeling you know what,

0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:51.760
<v Speaker 1>you don't go for it. This is this is your

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<v Speaker 1>chance to The writing is a little a little rough

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<v Speaker 1>in it, especially the repetition of the of the specific

0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:08.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, motifs in the writing, like the thing thing

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and and that as an adult watching uh,

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<v Speaker 1>children's programming with their kids, especially when there's a lot

0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:22.280
<v Speaker 1>of repetition of watching that same program at a certain

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<v Speaker 1>time of year, for me, that's really really hard. And

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<v Speaker 1>and that's why like Tom Stangon was better, like really

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<v Speaker 1>clever things that were on TV. It sound like Doug

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<v Speaker 1>better because they didn't make those concessions in their writing.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing is that it's just kind of cloying.

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<v Speaker 1>Lee sweet it is, it is, It is awful sweet,

0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:48.480
<v Speaker 1>it's a little it's like just like you said, Sachran

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<v Speaker 1>and and so like it's not because the other ornaments

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<v Speaker 1>are me wait, wait, wait, wait, do you want my

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<v Speaker 1>opinion you're not thank you a second, okay. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think those superficial things like the message of Noel's fine

0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:12.160
<v Speaker 1>nothing world, the message of Noel He's uh, he's got

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<v Speaker 1>the no actually, I mean, do you want the brutal trip, Yeah,

0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:20.159
<v Speaker 1>there is that. I mean someone's gotta say he's got

0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:25.520
<v Speaker 1>a happy venus. It is like a little too much

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<v Speaker 1>of a pause. A lot of good times. I've heard

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<v Speaker 1>it over and all I can hear now I've never

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<v Speaker 1>heard that but now you're gonna send it like, wow,

0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:46.879
<v Speaker 1>I can't I can't not hear that terrible, So there

0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:48.920
<v Speaker 1>have you on to play it bad for you? And

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<v Speaker 1>then the last time, the last time, he says, when

0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:55.240
<v Speaker 1>he turns into a soul, when he's just the blowing orbit.

0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:58.159
<v Speaker 1>After the ornament breaks, he goes around. He's like, my

0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:00.760
<v Speaker 1>name is no Well, and I have of a no,

0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:13.000
<v Speaker 1>I am a happy penis. It's not what they mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, that's not what they mean, but it doesn't matter.

0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes sometimes it's what you're saying. Just say yeah. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like you don't think they come so enjoyed it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>going down so bad now, no, no, no, I get

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<v Speaker 1>to edit it, mom, So I'm gonna make it. We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna win in the end. Yeah, of course, but anything

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<v Speaker 1>else pops, anything else. She's like, da, No, I think

0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:40.520
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty. I think it's I like, I do appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that the permanent things are permanent and they

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<v Speaker 1>don't things don't magically come back to life and stuff

0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:51.159
<v Speaker 1>like that. I think that's actually good scriptwriting um and

0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:54.959
<v Speaker 1>good story planning. So I think as a Crystal special

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<v Speaker 1>what it lacked in execution, it's themes were good, it

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<v Speaker 1>just was really tough to watch for me with you

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<v Speaker 1>guys when you're a little like, what do you all

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<v Speaker 1>think the legacy of something like this should be? You know,

0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:13.280
<v Speaker 1>like this movie came out nine two, it was made

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<v Speaker 1>for tv UM. It did, I think have some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of home VHS distribution and maybe showed a couple more years.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean it's got no legacy, particularly besides you

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<v Speaker 1>know a little bit on YouTube and archive dot org.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't I don't imagine it's every really gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>reissue to put on DVD. I mean, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think about that? Well, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a shame. I I don't believe that anything should be

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<v Speaker 1>left to the dusty shelf that's been worth something to anyone.

0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:44.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's certainly a better quality than a lot

0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:50.520
<v Speaker 1>of stuff that's still a brand. I think was the

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<v Speaker 1>quick to video, wasn't it. This whole era was like

0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:59.000
<v Speaker 1>they were cranking out stuff at a pace that they

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't before. Are because there was no such thing as

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<v Speaker 1>on demand. That didn't exist yet. You had to buy

0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:08.320
<v Speaker 1>the physical media or or get it from the video.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know who was playing it because I want

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<v Speaker 1>to say you only they only played it once a year,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know what, things weren't played once a year

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<v Speaker 1>in two like when we were kids, Like you watched

0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:20.120
<v Speaker 1>Peanuts Special at this time, and that's the only time

0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:24.560
<v Speaker 1>you got to see it. So I don't as many

0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:27.760
<v Speaker 1>times as we saw this, it had to have been recorded.

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<v Speaker 1>Why I appreciate you guys watched it with me, especially

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<v Speaker 1>honorable Mention and Dad for watching it and being and

0:23:34.720 --> 0:23:38.359
<v Speaker 1>being so thoughtful with your criticisms. And I look forward

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<v Speaker 1>to next year when we get to watch it again. Y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>There we go. I loved it. I loved it for

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<v Speaker 1>a minute of it, and I'm glad we had the

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<v Speaker 1>actual Noel out. I totally didn't put that together. Do

0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:52.840
<v Speaker 1>you all want to sing this song for Noel? What

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<v Speaker 1>we can leave my place? Merry Christmas? Williams? Is that's

0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:15.640
<v Speaker 1>going to the episode? Alright? Bro? Well thanks for watching

0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Noel with me? Of course, bro coaxing woman, Dad? Did

0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:22.000
<v Speaker 1>you're doing it? I don't think Mom needed much coaxing,

0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:24.560
<v Speaker 1>and honestly, I don't think that needs I think that

0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:26.760
<v Speaker 1>needs even less coaxing because he just wanted to say

0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:30.560
<v Speaker 1>complain about it. What are you doing tomorrow? I am

0:24:30.640 --> 0:24:33.640
<v Speaker 1>probably gonna presence with you, Okay, yeah, well I look

0:24:33.720 --> 0:24:36.920
<v Speaker 1>forward to that. Um, I guess this is coming out

0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:41.159
<v Speaker 1>tomorrow for so Merry Christmas. I hope you like what

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<v Speaker 1>I got you. Thank you. I would be like what

0:24:44.640 --> 0:24:47.879
<v Speaker 1>I got you too. Yeah, and Merry Christmas to anybody

0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:51.000
<v Speaker 1>who managed to listen to this. Merry Christmas, y'all, Chris

0:24:51.320 --> 0:24:53.760
<v Speaker 1>your fifteen commercial ads right now, we're gonna oh yeah,

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