1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: I live on one of those families now where anything 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: that I say could show up in a podcast. Hello, 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: Hello bro, Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas to you as well 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: as some listeners may know. My producer here, Max Williams, 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: and myself are flesh and blood brothers. We go to 6 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: the same home for Christmas. We are there now, yes, 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: recording in a spare bedroom. So well, yeah, I'm saying 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: we're just doing something a little different. Today's something a 9 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: little fun. Um. There's a moment, uh in a recent 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: episode that we did, the episode about Romeo Mueller and 11 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: his ranking bass specials and so many Christmas specials over 12 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: the years, and his last one, the last one that 13 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: was produced in his lifetime, his last script. It was 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: a movie called Noel. We have Rick Coachman talk about 15 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: it for a second and I mentioned in brief passing 16 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: that it was my personal childhood favorite, but I didn't 17 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: feel like I did justice to just how fascinating I 18 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: think that film is watched it probably every year at 19 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: least while we were children. Like a lot of our 20 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: things in our childhood, and you know, being a year 21 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: and a half apart, I guess we're shared in that occasion. 22 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: So I've watched no Welfield a bunch of times that 23 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: I don't really remembering myself that well at all. Yeah, well, 24 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's about a little Christmas ornament 25 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: who has very special conditions when he's being created. Of 26 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: all the Christmas tree ornaments turned out that year very 27 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: long ago, only one head of happiness. The glass blower 28 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: that's making him receives a memo. A child break runs 29 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: up to him with this little paper and runs away, 30 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: and he's blowing this ornament with his other hand. He 31 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: reads the memo and and the narrator, Charlton Heston, lets 32 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: you know that his granddaughter, his first granddaughter, has been 33 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: born or something, and he has a little tear of 34 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: joy that runs down the glass blowing stick and it 35 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: goes into the ornament. It was Noel. Is a good 36 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: fortune that that one marriage year became heartet of him, 37 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: And then down was this ornament who becomes known as 38 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: Noel with a certain happiness. Is Noel. And I have 39 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: seen it for one thing. It is directly about ephemera. 40 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: It's about this box of a dozen Christmas ornaments, or 41 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: a thing called a dozen. All of them together we're 42 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: something called a dozen in a thing called a box. 43 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: Where are we in the box? Thing stupid? In a 44 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: thing called an attic, and a thing called a home. 45 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: What's the hole? Thing? People? Things, books, and we're talking 46 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: about this? And a thing called a podcast. Uh that 47 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: that gets forgotten about, Noel. The rest of the dun 48 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: were put into a high, dusty, dark thing called etch, 49 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: where they became a thing called forgotten, And really the 50 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: whole house gets forgotten about. Noel never heard the terrible 51 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: final shown the lock bay as it shut off life 52 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: and warmed the joy from the old empty house, leaving 53 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: it with the ghosts of long ago Christmas is which 54 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 1: everyone you'd forgotten. And as the years crept slowly by, 55 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: the dozen slept on like the house, their bright colors 56 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: faded and chipped. Indeed, everything seemed over. But to maybe 57 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: a little bit of Christmas magic, these forgotten objects get 58 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: a chance at a second life. I say seemed over, 59 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: because when you have a happiness, nothing has ever completely gone. 60 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: So I went looking for a copy of it. Well 61 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: as he was short, okay, Noel, the christ boum Google. 62 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure he only showed one or a few years 63 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: around ninety two, when it came out. There was a 64 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: Golden Book's adaptation during the television promotion leading up to 65 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: the premier and it looks like, yeah, there was a 66 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: vhsot that came out at the time. I went looking 67 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: on Amazon to see if you could buy it. Well, 68 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: n yeah, you can. You could get the VHS tape 69 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 1: used starting from eight nine nine eBay. Oh yeah, okay, 70 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: you can get this out of print VHS rare on 71 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: eBay forty nine plus shipping That sound like faby, I say, wow, okay, 72 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: I'm not really easy to find. I knew it was 73 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: on YouTube at the resolutions it's pretty low. It was 74 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: really gonna that's what we got. That's what we got. 75 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: That's what you get to do with. Unfortunately, oh we 76 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: we Well, we might have it on VHS. I was 77 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 1: so confident coming back home for the holidays that I 78 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: would be able to find and Dad's extensive VHS archives. 79 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: It was confident that I would be able to find 80 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: the you know, the well worn, well loved copy of 81 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: it that we played over and over. Dad. Do you 82 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: do you think that we have no l on VHS? No? 83 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: Do nothing we did before? Well, I don't know what 84 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: happened to it if we did, and so we Yeah, 85 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: we searched all over. Can I hear? And you looked 86 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: up there? Yeah, that's all d ds. Okay, the closet 87 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: to the closet, we shall go. You want to look 88 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: at the top and I'll look at the bottom. Sure, 89 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: Charlie Brown, Christmas can look for Noel. Yeah, that is 90 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: funny that, like halving, these things are now in my handwriting. Well, 91 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: here's children's Christmas videos. If we have it. It seems 92 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: like it's going to be on that. I swear that 93 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: tape is around. We looked extensively for it. I know 94 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: there was a tape, and I remember the tape. You're talking, Well, 95 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: I think that might all be for not And this 96 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: is all that Dad would have gotten rid of it, 97 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: though he didn't. He likes to say that he did, 98 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: but I know he didn't. It's just I'm not in 99 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: his nature. He never did. Like no help. I have 100 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: had over the years these super passionate disagreements with Dad 101 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: about that movie, which I think is is visionary and 102 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: he thinks is just terrible, just unbearably unbearably bad. Why 103 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: do you think that Dad dislikes this movie so much? 104 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: Repetitive that's very very repuditive, which children like. But you 105 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: didn't like that. It's a happiness, isn't this thing? He 106 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: says the same things over and over again. Yeah, I 107 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: know you. You were a very big fan of it. 108 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: I mean there's a you know ornament we're gonna call 109 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: it that you made it as a child and was 110 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: always on every Christmas tree. You're no wilds, they're on 111 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: a little trick looks just like I forgot that I 112 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: made a Noel. But what was cool as you just 113 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: made that was like as a big fan, you just 114 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: made that. You like founally supplies yourself and made it, 115 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: you know, like nobody sat you down and said let's 116 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: make it a well. I was just the most surprised 117 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: about the biggest defender of Noel, who was not you. 118 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you defended it. I did not. I 119 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: don't have any horses. First, I am the constant. But 120 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: Mom's feelings towards this movie. Do you remember the movie? Mom? Oh? 121 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: I know it. I know well. I liked it. He 122 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: got the happiness because the glassblowers found out that his 123 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: granddaughter was born. Believes his only daughter you've just given 124 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: birth to a baby. Good he was a grand at last. 125 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: And then there's the cranky like the angel, the Angel, 126 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: she's not angel, which she is? I am missed, Freezone, 127 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: the ice Maiden. If you please, I am a very 128 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: unusual friend. Gracious you have a different tree every year. 129 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: My name is Brutus. That knows you season's gratings. Who's that? 130 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: That's the train? J creet Hi, and then I'm January. 131 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: First they get put in the attic and he's really 132 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: traumatized at first, goodbye little fellow, goodbye he that happiness. 133 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: Of course, never Noel ever saw Brutus again. And then 134 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: he learns it gets to come out. Hi, I know it. 135 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: Do you know? It's the same writer that wrote Rudolph. 136 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: His name is Romeo and mother. He wrote Rudolph, He 137 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: wrote Frosty, he wrote you were out of Santa Claus. 138 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 1: He wrote Santa Claus Coming to Town. He wrote a 139 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: Little Drummer Boy. He wrote all of those Rank of 140 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: Bass movies. And this was his last movie while he 141 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: was still alive. This was his last script. That's a 142 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: good movie. We couldn't find the tape. I thought it'd 143 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: be one of those who's not here. It's not here. 144 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: We end up streaming on YouTube, watching it with mom 145 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: and dad. Unless it was a better happy No, it's funny. 146 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: It's also narrative by trying heston, I did not know that. Hi, 147 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 1: my name is Noel, and I have a happiness. It 148 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: was trying to who's breaking record. They're also creaky, yes, Noel, 149 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: but I had a happiness. How terribly middle clubs. Hi, 150 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 1: what a little bake? Baby's walking around? Don't shout? They 151 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: are called people thing down him a little ack. Oh, 152 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: honestly they are children. Then I don't know why they 153 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: know everything and he doesn't. And he was blown the 154 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: same r. It was a thing called the mother. Is 155 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: it from possible? They look at everything that's Christmas? I 156 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: love you, she loves me. What's that down there? Miss? 157 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: I can't see inside? Trusted as a toy stable, So 158 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: why would they have a toy table? Well, somehow that 159 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: little stable is the thing that night is hold Moms. 160 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: She was crying in the first act, before anything sad 161 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: had happened. Yes, yes, when things were there the first act. Anyway, 162 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,599 Speaker 1: you guess your party cry if you want to. I 163 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 1: definitely think that I got my sensitivity from mother. Oh 164 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: me too. It's a running joke that it's like, oh, 165 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: this is gonna make me cry, And I know that's 166 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: not a high bar to clear. They've done. Oh wow, 167 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: I'm down. There was a new tree named Harrob, but 168 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: almost everything else was the same as the year before. 169 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 1: But it seemed but almost before it started, Christmas was 170 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: over again. Noel said goodbye to Harrow, to the attic, 171 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: thank you his prison once more. And in this way 172 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: year followed year, a bitter sweet, blended joy and attics. 173 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: After Harold, there was Bernard. After Bernard, there was Anthony 174 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: and Gregory and Irving Jock. Then one day, years later, 175 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: Noel heard something terror from down below. Oh what's the use? 176 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: Kids scattered all over the country with families of their own. 177 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: Let's not bother with a tree this year, all right, dear, 178 00:11:55,520 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, Christmas. The animation is actually than I 179 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 1: remember you know what it actually it is. Yeah, it's 180 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: not Yogi Bearer, it's not. Perhaps it was the happiness working. 181 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: It's magic. I found these old ornaments in the attic. 182 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: These are just too chipped and old to use. Shipped 183 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: an old bear. Con Wait, we could use this little 184 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: fellow to balance out that branch in the back such 185 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: a mom thing to say to balance out this branch 186 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: of the bag, the little old red ornament. It's broken, 187 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: but someone old Noil was still aware. He was on 188 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: the floor. He knew that, and for the first time 189 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: he could look into the tiny stable. Why there's little 190 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: toy people think, and a little joy children think, think 191 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: all found He was like all the different continents. Now 192 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: I did not remember this part the continents, but now 193 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: that his own last body was no more, the happiness 194 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: that was really was released. So it was very nine. 195 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: It was like the world some spoke, different tongue, different 196 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: ways of life, something that never even heard of Christmas. 197 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: But this last list, last line is we if I 198 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: make just my case for it very succinctly. I mean, 199 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 1: I think that the message is really lovely in it, 200 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: I think, and now I guess I think about it 201 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: differently because I know a little bit about the backstory 202 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: of the person. I think maybe the thing that I 203 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: find that I found really interesting about it as a 204 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: kid is it was about these like you know, forgotten artifacts, 205 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: and you like the ephemorality. Yeah, I mean, I I 206 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: think that certainly drew me to it as a kid. 207 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: But you know, so I think that I think about 208 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: it now. I think about this guy who spent a career, 209 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: He spent three decades writing Christmas specials and this was 210 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: the last one that he did. And the message of 211 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: it is so like the material world is not going 212 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: to last. You as a material being are not gonna last. 213 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: And everyone's getting old, everyone's everything is changing, and like 214 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: the houses are falling apart in the ornaments are getting older, cracks, 215 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: and the kids are growing up and and getting married, 216 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: going off to war. And I mean it doesn't really 217 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: even though it's total really spoken to a kid, it 218 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: doesn't sugarcoat a lot of things. You never see Bruce 219 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: again when Bruce is dragged out, He's gone right there, 220 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: You're super straight with you. You know, there's you know, 221 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: they don't sort of dumb it down for for the 222 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: child listeners, but just the fact that every material thing 223 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: is going to go away, and the point of it 224 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: all the meaning of Christmas. I mean, you could take 225 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: it literally is the is the is the Christian meaning, 226 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: that's the baby Jesus. But I also think that, like 227 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: I think about the scene in the in the Manger 228 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: down there is a family come together, right and it's 229 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: all the message of all the baby, he got the 230 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: happiness because of the baby. A baby, right, it's the 231 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: message is community always a little weird, but but even 232 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: I mean so, and it's it's very steeped in the 233 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: aesthetic of the time that it was in. But it's like, oh, 234 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: everywhere in the skyscrapers of New York and then the 235 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: eaglues in the North Polem wherever like that, it doesn't 236 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: really matter, and it doesn't even isn't necessarily it transcends 237 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: like you know, one particular religious belief where it's like 238 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: it's just how worthwhile it is to just embrace the 239 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: people that you love. I think it's a beautiful message. 240 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: And other thoughts, other thoughts on no, well, I just 241 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: love no. Well. I liked it then the and we've 242 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: got a little hokey for me back then. But you know, 243 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's like they it's kind of reminds 244 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: me a little those three students at the end, where 245 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: like they don't know how to end it, so they 246 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: just ending that was good. Yeah, I get how annoying 247 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: the whole repetition thing is. It is. I mean, I 248 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: think my complaints are fairly superficial. They're not. It's not 249 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: that it's a bad story, but I think you enjoyed 250 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: disliking it. Yeah, no, no, that's not will say the story. 251 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: The story is a plus. It is a good story. 252 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: Just get on you. I'm like, it's why are you 253 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: mad at that? It's wholesome? They're watching something wholesome. It's 254 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: got a good message. Why you like running down such 255 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: a thing that's toldsome? They like it. I used to 256 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 1: get mad at him because he was like, I mean, 257 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: it's a lot, a lot like the Power Arrangers were. 258 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: They're beating each other up. Noel was good. I get 259 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: the whole thing joke. But it's just into that ground. 260 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: It's like kind of six minutes into it, it's running 261 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: to the ground them. So like I think Christmas Specials, 262 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: by their very nature have a tendency to be kind 263 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: of saccharin and sort of like overly sappy and kind 264 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: of goofy. They all already some extent, but they're like 265 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: different for the different eras that they're in, right, Like 266 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: Rudolph is super campy, but it's in like an aesthetic 267 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: of your guy's time. It is because you were that 268 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: was when it was first coming out that maybe being 269 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: a nonconformist was okay, Yeah, that was new, that was 270 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: a new concept. I didn't even think about Rudolph is counting. 271 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because like him and Hermes were like outcast 272 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: because Herms didn't like to make toys and Rudolf had 273 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: that nose. Even Santa threw him out. It was terrible. 274 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: You weren't supposed to be different in the sixties. Hermes 275 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: was wanted to be a dentist, right, yeah, you weren't 276 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: supposed to be different in the sixties. And even at 277 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: the end, they said, even Santa realized he might have 278 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: been a little hard on Rudolph, a little hard on Rudolph. 279 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: He told Rudolph couldn't be he was main to him. 280 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: So you know what, Mom, I think that I got 281 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: my sensitivity from you. Well I know where you didn't 282 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: get it from? What Dad? You have anything that no 283 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: one will criticize you for two minutes. You have anything 284 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: he likes to say about Noel, anybody feeling you know what, 285 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: you don't go for it. This is this is your 286 00:18:51,880 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: chance to The writing is a little a little rough 287 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: in it, especially the repetition of the of the specific 288 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: you know, motifs in the writing, like the thing thing 289 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: you know, and and that as an adult watching uh, 290 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: children's programming with their kids, especially when there's a lot 291 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: of repetition of watching that same program at a certain 292 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: time of year, for me, that's really really hard. And 293 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: and that's why like Tom Stangon was better, like really 294 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: clever things that were on TV. It sound like Doug 295 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: better because they didn't make those concessions in their writing. 296 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: The other thing is that it's just kind of cloying. 297 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: Lee sweet it is, it is, It is awful sweet, 298 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: it's a little it's like just like you said, Sachran 299 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: and and so like it's not because the other ornaments 300 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: are me wait, wait, wait, wait, do you want my 301 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: opinion you're not thank you a second, okay. And I 302 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: think those superficial things like the message of Noel's fine 303 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: nothing world, the message of Noel He's uh, he's got 304 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: the no actually, I mean, do you want the brutal trip, Yeah, 305 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: there is that. I mean someone's gotta say he's got 306 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: a happy venus. It is like a little too much 307 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: of a pause. A lot of good times. I've heard 308 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: it over and all I can hear now I've never 309 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: heard that but now you're gonna send it like, wow, 310 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 1: I can't I can't not hear that terrible, So there 311 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: have you on to play it bad for you? And 312 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: then the last time, the last time, he says, when 313 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: he turns into a soul, when he's just the blowing orbit. 314 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 1: After the ornament breaks, he goes around. He's like, my 315 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: name is no Well, and I have of a no, 316 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: I am a happy penis. It's not what they mean. 317 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: Of course, that's not what they mean, but it doesn't matter. 318 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes it's what you're saying. Just say yeah. It's 319 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 1: like you don't think they come so enjoyed it. It's 320 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: going down so bad now, no, no, no, I get 321 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: to edit it, mom, So I'm gonna make it. We're 322 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: gonna win in the end. Yeah, of course, but anything 323 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: else pops, anything else. She's like, da, No, I think 324 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: it's pretty. I think it's I like, I do appreciate 325 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: the fact that the permanent things are permanent and they 326 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: don't things don't magically come back to life and stuff 327 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 1: like that. I think that's actually good scriptwriting um and 328 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,959 Speaker 1: good story planning. So I think as a Crystal special 329 00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: what it lacked in execution, it's themes were good, it 330 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: just was really tough to watch for me with you 331 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 1: guys when you're a little like, what do you all 332 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: think the legacy of something like this should be? You know, 333 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: like this movie came out nine two, it was made 334 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: for tv UM. It did, I think have some kind 335 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: of home VHS distribution and maybe showed a couple more years. 336 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: But I mean it's got no legacy, particularly besides you 337 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: know a little bit on YouTube and archive dot org. 338 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: I can't I don't imagine it's every really gonna be 339 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: reissue to put on DVD. I mean, I don't know. 340 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: What do you think about that? Well, I think it's 341 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: a shame. I I don't believe that anything should be 342 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: left to the dusty shelf that's been worth something to anyone. 343 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it's certainly a better quality than a lot 344 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: of stuff that's still a brand. I think was the 345 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: quick to video, wasn't it. This whole era was like 346 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: they were cranking out stuff at a pace that they 347 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: hadn't before. Are because there was no such thing as 348 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: on demand. That didn't exist yet. You had to buy 349 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: the physical media or or get it from the video. 350 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: I don't know who was playing it because I want 351 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 1: to say you only they only played it once a year, 352 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: but you know what, things weren't played once a year 353 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: in two like when we were kids, Like you watched 354 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 1: Peanuts Special at this time, and that's the only time 355 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: you got to see it. So I don't as many 356 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: times as we saw this, it had to have been recorded. 357 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 1: Why I appreciate you guys watched it with me, especially 358 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: honorable Mention and Dad for watching it and being and 359 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: being so thoughtful with your criticisms. And I look forward 360 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: to next year when we get to watch it again. Y'all. 361 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: There we go. I loved it. I loved it for 362 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: a minute of it, and I'm glad we had the 363 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: actual Noel out. I totally didn't put that together. Do 364 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: you all want to sing this song for Noel? What 365 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: we can leave my place? Merry Christmas? Williams? Is that's 366 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 1: going to the episode? Alright? Bro? Well thanks for watching 367 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: Noel with me? Of course, bro coaxing woman, Dad? Did 368 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: you're doing it? I don't think Mom needed much coaxing, 369 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: and honestly, I don't think that needs I think that 370 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: needs even less coaxing because he just wanted to say 371 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: complain about it. What are you doing tomorrow? I am 372 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 1: probably gonna presence with you, Okay, yeah, well I look 373 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: forward to that. Um, I guess this is coming out 374 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 1: tomorrow for so Merry Christmas. I hope you like what 375 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: I got you. Thank you. I would be like what 376 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: I got you too. Yeah, and Merry Christmas to anybody 377 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: who managed to listen to this. Merry Christmas, y'all, Chris 378 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: your fifteen commercial ads right now, we're gonna oh yeah, 379 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: here's We're gonna put fifteen ads at the end. Merry Christmas.