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Speaker 7: Randon cooks the number two guys, how is Thanksgiving?
Speaker 5: Kurt?
Speaker 1: It's good.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I had a good time, good food, good family, all that.
Speaker 5: All four of the kids there.
Speaker 7: You put five following him for six years, Nate.
Speaker 1: That was yours, man, Man, I'm good man. Yeah, odoga okay,
Speaker 1: wait we'll get there in a minute. Jesse, how was you?
Speaker 7: Jesu give us a minute, I said, thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm trying. Oh my god, Jess, I'm gonna jump on
Speaker 1: with your boys. It was good man. You know what.
Speaker 6: We three of us here, four three of us, well,
Speaker 6: two of us on this show. Work on Thanksgiving? Look
Speaker 6: you work on Thanksgiving?
Speaker 1: You got right?
Speaker 7: Stories right? Yeah you Yeah, I was work nothing.
Speaker 6: No, I was working.
Speaker 7: I wasn't working.
Speaker 6: I have mine on on Wednesday. So it was good.
Speaker 6: And of course worked the game on on Thursday.
Speaker 1: But I'll go you worked that game. Yeah, yeah, I like.
Speaker 1: I like how you say that.
Speaker 6: We get to work the game.
Speaker 1: That's a privilege.
Speaker 6: That's a good thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not only for the Cowboys, for all employees.
Speaker 7: Congratulations to Josh this week.
Speaker 5: Okay, Joosh had the score twenty seven seventeen.
Speaker 7: Cowboys, So good job, Josh.
Speaker 5: I missed it by I missed you by one point four. Anyway,
Speaker 5: did we, Jess your stat of the week?
Speaker 6: It came true again, did it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: One do Robinson did not.
Speaker 5: Have seventy five yards no Ard do you have a touchdown? Nope,
Speaker 5: no touchdown, So you hit both of them.
Speaker 7: There you go. The Street Lives Live on Streets Night.
Speaker 7: All right, Nate, overall thoughts on the game, and then
Speaker 7: you can.
Speaker 1: I just want to say, just make it to the
Speaker 1: ten out with you. I just like when I do
Speaker 1: Dog Person Out. I liked it. He did okay for
Speaker 1: the thirty snaps he did, he did okay. All right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all I want to say.
Speaker 7: That's it.
Speaker 5: No other thoughts go oh yeah, man, overall thoughts on
Speaker 5: the whole game, Oh yeah, good, bad, indifferent?
Speaker 1: No, No, I just want to say this, for every
Speaker 1: game that the Cowboys win from this point on, how
Speaker 1: many they half left. If we can get three out
Speaker 1: of three out of five, you screw your draft pick
Speaker 1: up on Micy.
Speaker 6: Mike is getting closer. Freaking Mike, just get it closer.
Speaker 7: So you you think he wins three out of five,
Speaker 7: you get through out of five.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it's better give Philly a run for
Speaker 1: the money. They beat us in overtime or something like
Speaker 1: that about seven points.
Speaker 7: So that'd be five out of the last seven.
Speaker 1: Man, Yes, sir, come on, freaking Mike.
Speaker 6: While we're on that subject. Okay, while we're on that subject,
Speaker 6: there is a path. There is a path that freaking
Speaker 6: Mike could come back, right right. The only way that
Speaker 6: I would be fully on board or freaking Mike coming back.
Speaker 7: I want to hear this Mark this Chris.
Speaker 6: The only he has to be the walk around head coach.
Speaker 6: The only way I agree, or well, not that I
Speaker 6: have any say so in the matter, but we got
Speaker 6: to bring someone in here of the younger variety, someone
Speaker 6: who is For example, if the Miami Dolphins continue to
Speaker 6: collapse and they fire their head coach, you want to
Speaker 6: bring theoretical, just theoretical, just theoretical. You want to keep
Speaker 6: Mike McCarthy. Give me, Mike McDaniels that your OFFICEI.
Speaker 1: Ave coordinator of somebody that ILK or somebody of that ELK.
Speaker 6: You gotta give me something like that where where they
Speaker 6: can come in here.
Speaker 7: So you go with him staying as long as you
Speaker 7: have a innovative I need I need.
Speaker 6: I need that part the innovation. I need the innovation.
Speaker 6: I need the creativity. I need the flat out stealing
Speaker 6: of other good players that come across this league. So
Speaker 6: they're they're gonna be a couple coordinators that or or
Speaker 6: like you know, controlled offensive you know, quality control guys
Speaker 6: or somebody from that type of variety. That is one
Speaker 6: of the pathways, because I do think I want a
Speaker 6: young offensive coordinator and I want a grizzled defensive coordinator.
Speaker 6: So I wouldn't be mad if you brought back Mike
Speaker 6: Zim Defensively, there's something about like I want fresh ideas
Speaker 6: offensively and I want great because because here's the thing,
Speaker 6: you can only play so many coverages and defensively right,
Speaker 6: like you either you're gonna be three four or four
Speaker 6: three right, and then that you're either gonna play a
Speaker 6: couple of coverages, you're gonna play man, you're gonna play
Speaker 6: his own. Now you can now the players that you
Speaker 6: get to do it can give you the best results.
Speaker 6: And I do think what we're seeing in the last
Speaker 6: couple of weeks is what I said in the summertime
Speaker 6: to have a new coordinator come in. It's gonna take
Speaker 6: time for these guys to fully be conformed into what
Speaker 6: he wants because he still has to know who can
Speaker 6: do what, when can they do it, how things play out,
Speaker 6: And I think you see a little bit more now
Speaker 6: of a good rotation that's happening up front. You know
Speaker 6: you're getting some guys back healthy, and that defense has
Speaker 6: kind of been carrying the Cowboys the last couple of
Speaker 6: weeks with Dak Prescott being out. So give me a young, innovative,
Speaker 6: creative mind, but give me the grizzled vent as a decordinator,
Speaker 6: and I'm okay with you. Keep in mind, I.
Speaker 5: Feel like Jesse has grown because of this show, and
Speaker 5: he has grown as a person, and he's open and
Speaker 5: receptive to things that he normally is not because of
Speaker 5: this show. And I thank you date for opening his
Speaker 5: eyes and letting him be helping him be receptive of things.
Speaker 6: But if you're not giving me what I want, I'm out,
Speaker 6: clean house.
Speaker 1: What your butt your but what is your butt? Le's think?
Speaker 7: I don't know if I ride with you?
Speaker 6: Boy got my back.
Speaker 2: I like what you're thinking. I'm not sure it's going
Speaker 2: to happen, But I don't think Macarthy's going to give
Speaker 2: up give up to play calling are But it's a
Speaker 2: nice win.
Speaker 7: Yeah, good way to.
Speaker 2: Spin Thanksgiving joining a victory.
Speaker 1: Yeah you feel it?
Speaker 7: Okay?
Speaker 2: Not really sounds bad. Stop feel like I'm coming down
Speaker 2: with something.
Speaker 5: The weather, the weather changing it finally got here, and
Speaker 5: I think it's jacked everybody up.
Speaker 7: So all right, question for you guys on is Cavante.
Speaker 5: Turpin now no longer just a return specialist and a
Speaker 5: gadget guy. Is he a legitimate two slash three receiver?
Speaker 1: No, No, he's my three receiver. He's your number three.
Speaker 1: It's just it. I'm going with just on that. Man.
Speaker 1: Uh he's having he's having success, and I'm glad he
Speaker 1: getting the ball, but uh, hell, he's still my number
Speaker 1: three guy.
Speaker 6: What about Yeah, he's more four to me. Yeah. The
Speaker 6: one thing that he has that is just paramount in
Speaker 6: this league. He has speed, yes, sir, right, but it's
Speaker 6: straight line speed. He's not like shifty breaking people down,
Speaker 6: you know, cutting back sleet over lanes and all that
Speaker 6: kind of stuff. He's still trying to figure out how
Speaker 6: to run routes. But it's always a comparison of well,
Speaker 6: you see small and you see fast, you think Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 6: I don't think he's Tyreek Hill. I think the I
Speaker 6: think the speed is there, but he's not the play
Speaker 6: that Tyreek Hill is.
Speaker 7: No, Like, very few.
Speaker 6: Are not, you know what I'm saying. I do think
Speaker 6: that he has a role and because he still struggles
Speaker 6: with catching the football, like we went through that last week.
Speaker 6: He doesn't catch well over the shoulder, he has small hands,
Speaker 6: he wants to jump to catch everything, doesn't have really
Speaker 6: hot you know, catch radius, so you you have to
Speaker 6: design him to get open, you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 6: and that that right there puts him. It puts him
Speaker 6: in a place where I can't count on you enough
Speaker 6: to be in my number two and number three receiver
Speaker 6: because of the limitations that you have, right. You don't
Speaker 6: do well with you know, high point in the ball,
Speaker 6: you don't do well catching in traffic, you don't do
Speaker 6: well just possessing the ball. But we can find a
Speaker 6: place for you. And I think that's and it's it's
Speaker 6: okay to be a return specialist, like you know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying, and then we just find packages for you
Speaker 6: throughout the game. But to say that he's an he's
Speaker 6: an all out number two or three receiver in this
Speaker 6: league right now?
Speaker 7: Do you think he could get there?
Speaker 5: Do you think there's things that he can work on
Speaker 5: fundamentally to get him because he's probably he's your most
Speaker 5: explosive player with his hands on the way even I
Speaker 5: think he's even more explosive than CD.
Speaker 6: No, the speed is a major bonus, major bonus.
Speaker 5: One little misstep and he's by you like he's the
Speaker 5: only guy CD can do it. But he's really the
Speaker 5: only guy that can do that, that can take it
Speaker 5: to the house with you know, just one one misstep
Speaker 5: and you're not gone.
Speaker 1: The reason he can be my number three guy is
Speaker 1: because of that speed Jessy's talking about. Because you know,
Speaker 1: I've listened to other shows. Until the Cowboys become elite,
Speaker 1: which they're not, I always stack you against elite players
Speaker 1: like you've named the elite player, uh Tyr Hill Not no, sir,
Speaker 1: don't get it confused. No, I take ten of these
Speaker 1: little guys over there to get Tyreek Hill. So you
Speaker 1: can't when it comes to elite. Here on this team
Speaker 1: right now, for who we are and what we're doing,
Speaker 1: he's doing a super job. Yes, But when we play
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles, we play teams of that ILK. Now, let's
Speaker 1: see how everybody stack up. And I think that's what
Speaker 1: you're trying. That's what you're saying, right, jess Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: when it's comes time to stack up with the dogs.
Speaker 6: Because to be the number three me mean that when
Speaker 6: I go with eleven personnel, you in there, you in there
Speaker 6: like you're in there, and now like you, you're called
Speaker 6: upon to make plays. And I just don't think he's consistently.
Speaker 5: Dependable right to get that that level of Do you
Speaker 5: think he can get there?
Speaker 1: How hard will he work? You think work will put
Speaker 1: it there?
Speaker 6: Yeah, he still has to get more fluid in his
Speaker 6: route running, like that part is not quite taking form.
Speaker 5: Like is that something you can train in the off
Speaker 5: season and get just in a year or is that like, yes,
Speaker 5: several years down the road.
Speaker 6: You get better over time, but it is something that
Speaker 6: you if you really put the work in the off season,
Speaker 6: you can show market improvement over the years. I think
Speaker 6: a lot of times with him in the office that
Speaker 6: we have now we called on a guy like tober
Speaker 6: to be the number two and he's falling short of that.
Speaker 6: So anything that we see now we look at and
Speaker 6: we go like, yeah, like if you had t Higgins
Speaker 6: was your number two, you wouldn't quite really care about
Speaker 6: who your number three was, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: Like it would be a bonus to have a Cavante turping.
Speaker 6: But because we are so lackluster after number one. Everything that,
Speaker 6: oh he played number two because we don't have anything else.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Like he's he can sometimes
Speaker 6: and this is no knock on Cavante, but he can be.
Speaker 6: He can be the girl you think is pretty after
Speaker 6: the thirteenth.
Speaker 7: Don't run it. We try to get him on the show.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm just saying, I mean, should he
Speaker 2: be getting He got fourteen snaps last game, where Tobert
Speaker 2: got fifty five. I mean it should be a little
Speaker 2: bit more at least, even though he's a third or
Speaker 2: fourth or whatever, it should it be more balanced than
Speaker 2: that one.
Speaker 6: No, I think that's good. I think that's good. I
Speaker 6: think anywhere were good.
Speaker 7: With what he's going.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fourteen snaps, he had five targets.
Speaker 6: That's perfect.
Speaker 2: Obert had fifty five snaps and had four targets to that.
Speaker 5: To that point, we all know on defense, there are
Speaker 5: some guys that fit really well within a certain snap count.
Speaker 7: You get them, you get him under that.
Speaker 5: They don't get revved up, they get over that, they
Speaker 5: get overwhelmed and.
Speaker 7: It's too much and whatever. Offensive guys the same way.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: See, like when you say Tobert had fifty five snaps
Speaker 6: and he only It's not that we need to give
Speaker 6: Cavante more. We need to get Tobert out of that spot.
Speaker 6: It's not move Cavante into that spot. Is Tobert you're
Speaker 6: not doing what you're supposed to do with that. That
Speaker 6: number is good for Cavante, right, we're comparing it to
Speaker 6: Jalen Tobert. We're like, well, maybe if we gave him
Speaker 6: Jalen Tober snaps and Tobert had less snaps than that
Speaker 6: would Actually, No, you need to find something might that
Speaker 6: sits better there? He's fine right there. You know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying, like, don't think taking Tobert out and put
Speaker 6: him in there. Well, now that will go from five
Speaker 6: targets to ten targets to fifteen targets and it'll be
Speaker 6: a plus. It's he is, that's his sweet spot. That's
Speaker 6: where you can get him going in that area. The
Speaker 6: part you need to adjust is Tobert. What's he doing
Speaker 6: with those reps. It's not about give him to Turpin.
Speaker 6: It's about finding a guy that goes in there that
Speaker 6: can give you number two stuff. Turp is not going
Speaker 6: to give you number two stuff. He's not going to
Speaker 6: give you what you need in the blocking and the
Speaker 6: run game and the in the overall route running that
Speaker 6: you need at the number two spot eight.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, because something bigger for when you play football, all
Speaker 6: those every six hours, every it up because those rules
Speaker 6: don't apply.
Speaker 7: Those rules.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Mama, Just Nate said, no, sir. You can hear
Speaker 1: him fourth and long. So Nate, you didn't write it down, no, no,
Speaker 1: because you remember your question. Yes, sir, because we were
Speaker 1: talking about and his value, which we value him high
Speaker 1: for this steam. He's great for the steam. But the
Speaker 1: thing that I try to press upon people like to
Speaker 1: two Eagles wide receivers A.
Speaker 6: J and Smith, Yes, a J Brown, Demonte Smith.
Speaker 1: Do you know who the third receiver is the Bengals?
Speaker 1: Do you know who that we got chased? And we
Speaker 1: got T Higgins?
Speaker 6: You got Pooking a cop and Cooper comor you don't
Speaker 6: know who.
Speaker 1: They third receiver is? In nine times at ten they
Speaker 1: stay tight end. But if we were built like that,
Speaker 1: which were not right now, you would see where what
Speaker 1: this kid does would be even bigger. You notice a
Speaker 1: lot of times that end the games. We like, why
Speaker 1: you didn't throw the ball to CD, Lamb, Why are
Speaker 1: we throwing the ball to this guy? Where you never
Speaker 1: had that question with AJ and Smith, T Higgins and Chase,
Speaker 1: you know, and they ain't because they ain't throwing it
Speaker 1: to nobody else. We have no other choice when they
Speaker 1: take away CD, but to throw it to one of
Speaker 1: these other guys. And so that's all I was saying,
Speaker 1: is we get so hyped about our own talent around
Speaker 1: here and the fan base national wise too. A lot
Speaker 1: of times we don't see the big picture. You know,
Speaker 1: we've got two wins in a row. Tell us it's
Speaker 1: not against real good competition, but it's two wins, and
Speaker 1: it's helping these young guys, because that's what I'm about, hipping.
Speaker 1: These young guys stack up games.
Speaker 7: So good wins.
Speaker 1: But I mean maybe if they can save Mike, then
Speaker 1: they even better wins.
Speaker 5: What do you think about Brandy Cook's return, About what
Speaker 5: you expected? Had that had that that route that he
Speaker 5: loves to run, dragging.
Speaker 1: Him across the cross that's that's his thing.
Speaker 7: That's his thing, got his wings.
Speaker 6: I mean, to have the veteran knowledge like that's so critical,
Speaker 6: especially when you don't have a lot good going for you.
Speaker 6: Having a guy who understands now, I thought he ran
Speaker 6: a horrible route earlier in that game. He had a
Speaker 6: slant route in the goal line. The guy was off
Speaker 6: covers and he comes off and he's like patting his
Speaker 6: feet and I know the timing of it all that
Speaker 6: he needs to come underneath that. But it was just
Speaker 6: a bad route. It looked bad and almost got intercepted.
Speaker 6: But having that veteran knowledge on the field, it just helps.
Speaker 6: It just helps for a guy to know where to be,
Speaker 6: when to be, and is dependable like he had that
Speaker 6: third down catch. I don't to not bring up back
Speaker 6: in the conversation, but even Brandon Cooks is a smaller guy,
Speaker 6: understood down in distance, understood what he was supposed to
Speaker 6: be out on the sticks, has good enough hands to
Speaker 6: be able to reach out make that catch and get
Speaker 6: the first down. I don't believe to Cavante would have
Speaker 6: that skill. I think he tries to either body catch
Speaker 6: it jumps and now it gets caught up in the air.
Speaker 6: Fourth down, you know what I'm saying, and now they
Speaker 6: gotta kick it. So just having that type of knowledge
Speaker 6: in the game offensively, it doesn't always show up in
Speaker 6: the numbers, right, but it's it's games are alway. You
Speaker 6: hit coaches and players saying time and time and time
Speaker 6: and time again. The game comes down to about three
Speaker 6: or four plays in the game. Now you never know
Speaker 6: when they're going to happen until hindsight gives you twenty twenty,
Speaker 6: that Brandon Cooks catch was one of those plays. When
Speaker 6: you go back and watch the game, you don't have
Speaker 6: that play. You now find yourself in a different sitution,
Speaker 6: possibly playing someself in a different situation. But because you
Speaker 6: have that, that also helps you out. And again it
Speaker 6: may be one play here or one play there, but
Speaker 6: when you look at it at the end of the day,
Speaker 6: he goes, those two plays really helped our football team
Speaker 6: win the game. And without him, I don't know if
Speaker 6: we get those plays.
Speaker 1: Because that fourth and one that was ugly right before
Speaker 1: the half, I was I was dreading. Now then we
Speaker 1: kept that I was dreading because it turned into three
Speaker 1: for them because they stopped playing the field position game.
Speaker 1: They punted and we punted, and they was closer and
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Speaker 1: didn't we just punt that ball? Our defense was playing? Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, so you'll never know what you know, what
Speaker 1: can transpire?
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Speaker 5: move on to the defense, couple couple of little things
Speaker 5: on the offense, Real quick, Rico top one hundred yards
Speaker 5: for the.
Speaker 6: First time, right, first time? Twenty six games is crazy, unbelievable.
Speaker 6: Six games.
Speaker 7: He's now averaging kurt what four and a half yards
Speaker 7: per carry?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 7: After that, game and then said, I have to pull
Speaker 7: the stat.
Speaker 1: Every time we rushed over nineteen carries we won, right,
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 7: And then your boy, Sexy Dexy, he got handled this game.
Speaker 6: You you made a point last week date and I
Speaker 6: watched the entire game and it was there you said,
Speaker 6: a guy like brock Hoffman, if you can get under
Speaker 6: his skin, on the Decha Lauren's skin and make him
Speaker 6: want to fight you and forget about playing football. And
Speaker 6: that's what I like about brock Hoffman.
Speaker 1: He's nasty. Did he did? He talk.
Speaker 6: Man a couple of situations where after the whistle those
Speaker 6: two guys are still going at it.
Speaker 1: And you can get decks dex Dex is down for
Speaker 1: some some after ball talk, but some after whistle talk
Speaker 1: he is down for it. He just carried right on
Speaker 1: to the next play.
Speaker 5: Are we getting I think there's for the first time
Speaker 5: this season a little hope right like it's you're getting
Speaker 5: on a little bit of a roll. Is all that
Speaker 5: going to come crashing down this week? Or do you
Speaker 5: think they got a little momentum and they're getting the
Speaker 5: right people back at the right time and there's actually
Speaker 5: something to build on and finish the season strong.
Speaker 2: I think they're building some momentum, They're feeling better, getting
Speaker 2: more confidence. Now, this is gonna be a different beast
Speaker 2: than the Giants. Yeah, but they're struggling to beagles.
Speaker 5: So they're not struggling putting up points, which that's my
Speaker 5: big worry this week.
Speaker 1: And when they're putting up a per game about about twenty.
Speaker 6: Eight twenty eight points when they win, thirty one points
Speaker 6: when they lose, Wow, points when they lose, they got
Speaker 6: it flip.
Speaker 7: Yeah, wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 5: So defensively, is this a completely different team defensively when
Speaker 5: Mike is on the field.
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, just one guy makes that big of a difference.
Speaker 2: Right, Your turnovers go up and the pressures.
Speaker 7: Like that's it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: That's what.
Speaker 6: I don't care what coach you have. I don't care
Speaker 6: what scheme you run. I don't care what city you're in.
Speaker 6: I don't care what your team logo is. I don't
Speaker 6: care who your team general manager is, owner, president or
Speaker 6: any of that. This and every other professional league is
Speaker 6: run by players. When you get a special talented player,
Speaker 6: it changes everything. When the Dodgers got show Heyo Tani,
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, other guy's numbers started going up.
Speaker 6: When you go and get a Lebron James, all of
Speaker 6: a sudden, the team total wins start going out. When
Speaker 6: you add special talent in the mix. There's nobody on
Speaker 6: that defense, nobody including thirteen, that can consistently, one on
Speaker 6: one go get his. I don't have to be scripted,
Speaker 6: I don't have to be schemed. I don't have to
Speaker 6: be tricked. We ain't gotta run no games. You ain't
Speaker 6: gotta run those. You gonna line me up on anybody
Speaker 6: at any given time, and I can go get mine.
Speaker 6: When you have that, that is that is the ultimate separator.
Speaker 6: That's why there is guys who meant That's why there's
Speaker 6: Patrick Mahomes that make a half a billion dollars and
Speaker 6: we're probably about to make more. That's why you have
Speaker 6: guys like Justin Jefferson. That's why you have guys that
Speaker 6: are separators, because there's there's some times where you don't
Speaker 6: even have to do anything. Them being there is enough.
Speaker 6: And I think you're seeing that with this defense. Now
Speaker 6: that Mike is coming back, all of a sudden, Osa's
Speaker 6: being dominant. Uh John to Blake, give me another one,
Speaker 6: of the names of the guys up front. OSHA's being dominant,
Speaker 6: Golston is playing good. What's the Carl Lawson, Carl Lawson,
Speaker 6: Carl Lawson. I think it was Osa and and and
Speaker 6: and Carl Lawson. Since October, they have the highest two
Speaker 6: pressure rates on quarterbacks from the defensive linement position. That
Speaker 6: that ain't That ain't by coincidence. That ain't by coincidence
Speaker 6: because all eyes when when that offensive line, that offense
Speaker 6: breaks the huddle, all eyes are saying, where is number eleven?
Speaker 6: And now once we find number eleven, he's gonna get action.
Speaker 6: He's gonna get double and triple teams, and lines are
Speaker 6: slotting to him, and backs are coming over there and
Speaker 6: all the other kind of stuff. So now you leave
Speaker 6: opportunity for other guys to win. So, yeah, this defense
Speaker 6: is different because there's a difference maker out there.
Speaker 1: And I think they've put in a few more tackle
Speaker 1: in stunts games, they'll put in a few more movements,
Speaker 1: you know, with with with with Mike or not just
Speaker 1: and that's helped freeing guys up too, because you'll see
Speaker 1: some time where the tight end is in there to help,
Speaker 1: but he coming down on a tackle stunt and that
Speaker 1: and that, and it just throws them all off. I
Speaker 1: mean you can see the tight end going down, you
Speaker 1: can see the tackle going down all sudden, they just
Speaker 1: running all through them, running in each other, and both
Speaker 1: guys come free. You know. So I just, uh, we
Speaker 1: may not like as old school players and fans, we
Speaker 1: may not like the podcast, but like I keep trying
Speaker 1: to tell a lot of people who coming up with
Speaker 1: a lot of great ideas, this is your problem, this
Speaker 1: is your baby. That's right. You're gonna have to pamper
Speaker 1: this for real, I mean is wrong because you you
Speaker 1: you know you, mister Jones, see the value in this
Speaker 1: kid in a whole lot of ways. Uh, This coaching staff,
Speaker 1: if they could just slow him down a little bit.
Speaker 1: He's he's bought into a lot of the defensive philosophers,
Speaker 1: but they just getting my My my ultimate thing is
Speaker 1: next year, if he if he just matures to understand
Speaker 1: that he can really take over games. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: running pass it don't make a difference. He can really
Speaker 1: really just take over games.
Speaker 6: Because I see, I don't think he's ever going to
Speaker 6: be able to take take over games in the run game.
Speaker 6: It's just not big enough and that's the that's the part,
Speaker 6: and this should this should be noted because we're seeing
Speaker 6: what Micah has done in the last couple of wee
Speaker 6: thinks he has five or six sacks in the last
Speaker 6: four weeks and he back five weeks. He's been back.
Speaker 6: But this is to be noted. Normally we see Micah
Speaker 6: numbers do this ladies December, those four games that he
Speaker 6: missed because of the high Now, I will never, ever, ever,
Speaker 6: ever wish injury on any player for any team, no
Speaker 6: matter what. But you can't not skip over the fact
Speaker 6: of him being out those four weeks and his body
Speaker 6: not getting beat up. While the ankle is healing, the
Speaker 6: other parts of the body's healing too, and so now
Speaker 6: you have a much fresher Michaeh Parsons, which is helping
Speaker 6: this defense down. It's unfortunate that the help is the
Speaker 6: record is too far gone for that help that's coming
Speaker 6: now to matter in the sense. But you're seeing he
Speaker 6: looks fresh, he looks fresh, he looks energetic. He don't
Speaker 6: look where now And people sometimes ask me like, well,
Speaker 6: what is the solution, and I'm like, there is it.
Speaker 6: He's two hundred and forty five pounds and unless you
Speaker 6: move him back to linebacker and he's you. You can't
Speaker 6: run into three hundred and twenty and thirty pound dudes
Speaker 6: and playing. You know, he's been clocked this year as
Speaker 6: a defensive tackle at times because the way they do
Speaker 6: a little different stunts. But he's dealing with double team.
Speaker 6: He's dealing with six hundred pounds of double team, sometimes
Speaker 6: eight hundred pounds of double triple teams. When you throw
Speaker 6: a tight end or a running back in there over
Speaker 6: a seventeen game period, for a guy two hundred and
Speaker 6: forty five pounds, two hundred and fifty pounds, it is
Speaker 6: impossible for him not to break down. There's nothing you
Speaker 6: can do. He cannot have a practice. It doesn't matter
Speaker 6: if he's going to play sixty snaps sixty five snaps
Speaker 6: and he's playing them in the trenches. The physical human
Speaker 6: body will not be able to hold up and for
Speaker 6: him to be as effective as you need him to
Speaker 6: be down the stretch dealing with those type of monsters
Speaker 6: in the interior.
Speaker 1: And you know the amazing thing about it is, and
Speaker 1: I know these they can't do it today. They'll get
Speaker 1: flagged or they'll get fed ex check on Tuesday. But
Speaker 1: guy like him, I'll just be waiting at one time
Speaker 1: for him to come knifing down in there the ribs.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit it right in the side of his chin,
Speaker 1: but in front of my helmet, I'm gonna bust him
Speaker 1: red in his chin, slow him down a little bit,
Speaker 1: two or three. I'm just gonna look at him because
Speaker 1: he's gonna stagger. He ain't big enough. I was there
Speaker 1: in thirty found you gonna stagger, and I'm you taller
Speaker 1: than me, so I got there. So I'm just saying
Speaker 1: with Jess, I'm just added to see they do that. Now,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a check said.
Speaker 6: It's gonna be a check deduction. Yeah, it's gonna be
Speaker 6: a fine.
Speaker 7: Yeah, mister Newton, who's your favorite charny?
Speaker 6: But but did you see about that? You see him,
Speaker 6: You see him now, and it's like man's on he's
Speaker 6: on a tear right now. Yeah, Yeah, he looked fresh.
Speaker 6: The rest of the guys are kind of worn down.
Speaker 6: So now he's got an opportunity to go out there
Speaker 6: and be fresher, be lighter, be faster, be more aggressive,
Speaker 6: and it's helped his defense significantly. But again It's to
Speaker 6: be noted that when you miss those games, his body
Speaker 6: is is healed. It's not as beat up as it
Speaker 6: normally would have been had he played those games. And
Speaker 6: now we got into late November and December, and now
Speaker 6: he don't have that gidea up. You don't have that
Speaker 6: extra stuff.
Speaker 5: We talked about that several weeks ago. Could it be
Speaker 5: a blessing in disguise with him and Tank and some
Speaker 5: those guys that you know have health issues missing that
Speaker 5: we didn't know the season was gonna You know, we
Speaker 5: weren't going to be in this position, but you know,
Speaker 5: it looks like that helped him out a little bit.
Speaker 7: Talk before we get out of here. One Jesse about
Speaker 7: Overshown's number.
Speaker 1: Tell everybody what that's about.
Speaker 5: But let's talk about the I want to know from
Speaker 5: a player's perspective, the contagiousness of having fun playing football
Speaker 5: and the energy. Like if you go back and watch
Speaker 5: Jameis Winston last week when they were playing in the snow,
Speaker 5: they did the NFL did a miked up with him
Speaker 5: and it was so good they put out I don't
Speaker 5: know if y'all watched it.
Speaker 7: It was a thirteen minute clip.
Speaker 1: Because there was so much in the dude is do different?
Speaker 5: He was walking around eating snow, Like if you didn't
Speaker 5: watch it, go it's worth the thirteen minutes.
Speaker 1: It's small town in Alabama, good right outside of the
Speaker 1: Crison Tide Home, Broun tusc outside of Yeah, man, But
Speaker 1: he was just having.
Speaker 7: So much fun.
Speaker 5: And I think there's a lot to be said for
Speaker 5: lifting everybody up around you. And energy is contagious. Talk
Speaker 5: about that as a play. I mean, you guys had Mike,
Speaker 5: you guys had Dion, you had Charles with you know,
Speaker 5: if you're overshown, if you watching him as fun, yeah,
Speaker 5: it makes me want to tune in, even if they're losing,
Speaker 5: just to see what he's doing.
Speaker 7: I can't even.
Speaker 5: Imagine playing with him and going how fun is this?
Speaker 5: You see Cavante and you know you never know what's
Speaker 5: gonna happen with him. You see some of these young
Speaker 5: guys like, that's got to be a spark, right, that's
Speaker 5: got to help you.
Speaker 6: I tell I tell Everson every time I see him,
Speaker 6: And this is back and forth in that we have
Speaker 6: and I say, I can tell what type of teammate
Speaker 6: you are by how your former teammates greet you. Yes,
Speaker 6: I can tell. I can tell if you walked into
Speaker 6: a room with former teammates, I can tell how good
Speaker 6: of a teammate you were by the way that they great.
Speaker 6: If they just fish bump you, yeah, they say, hey,
Speaker 6: what's up, dog, what's going on? Well, okay, but when
Speaker 6: they go full out.
Speaker 7: They going to hug you.
Speaker 6: You were a good teammate. You were a good teammate.
Speaker 6: Go watch a Jamis Wasston game when he's playing against
Speaker 6: the team that he formerly played for, Guys wait around
Speaker 6: to talk to him, to hug him, to talk to him.
Speaker 6: That is a mark of a great teammate. So and
Speaker 6: that's what you could tell. That's who he is. That's
Speaker 6: not a facade, And ain't for the camera. That's not
Speaker 6: just because I know I'm miked up or whatever. Everywhere.
Speaker 6: When Jamis goes and plays the Saints, when Jamis goes
Speaker 6: and plays the Bucks, when he goes any team that
Speaker 6: he was on, guys are waiting for him after the
Speaker 6: game to hug him and to speak to him. That's
Speaker 6: a mark of a good court. That's a mark of
Speaker 6: a good teammate. And that's Jamis. And you know those
Speaker 6: type of guys are rare. You don't have a bunch
Speaker 6: of those guys in your locker room. You have some
Speaker 6: good guys, but there's sometimes you have locker room you're
Speaker 6: just like.
Speaker 5: And that energy is contagious right on the field off
Speaker 5: the field, yeah.
Speaker 6: Because you just know that you know what this dude,
Speaker 6: what you're getting. And sometimes, like we talked about it
Speaker 6: in training camp, the dog days of training camp, or
Speaker 6: when you when you're in the latter parts of the
Speaker 6: season and it's dragging along, he's grind you know what.
Speaker 6: I'm saying, Hey, we're tired, we're hurt, we're battle with bruise.
Speaker 6: But here comes Jamis. Hey, fellas, get we get to
Speaker 6: do this, We get to go out here. Get up dumb,
Speaker 6: and he says something you'd be like, man, you know what,
Speaker 6: come on, doll, you're right, let's go and he can
Speaker 6: lift the spirits up of guys.
Speaker 7: Tell us before we get out of here about the
Speaker 7: Overshown zero and.
Speaker 6: The yeah story, you know, Overshown wanted to wear zero.
Speaker 6: He wore zero at Texas and he was trying to
Speaker 6: wear zero and he told the story at training camp
Speaker 6: before and he's like, man, you know, I was trying
Speaker 6: to get zero, but they told me nah, And they
Speaker 6: told him now because Rowdy wears double zero. Now, I
Speaker 6: think it's just zero.
Speaker 1: Is just zero?
Speaker 6: Is it double zero?
Speaker 1: Just zero?
Speaker 6: Anyway, Rowdy wears the number and they told him he
Speaker 6: couldn't have it because that was Rowdy number. I think
Speaker 6: that's row. I don't think Rowdy should get you know,
Speaker 6: but I think he's done enough. But interesting tweet from
Speaker 6: one uh damarve On Overshown. He tweeted this out two
Speaker 6: days ago. He said, either I'm going to wear zero
Speaker 6: or the next contract will. Either way, I'm getting it,
Speaker 6: and he had the markers going up and so he
Speaker 6: he didn't say contract. He wrote like a note with
Speaker 6: a pencil on it. I'm assuming that means contract. You
Speaker 6: need the right contract. So he says, either way, I'm
Speaker 6: getting it. So whether you give him zero now or
Speaker 6: you're gonna give him the zeros later, either way, Damaran Overshown,
Speaker 6: I think he should be zero, double zero says he's
Speaker 6: not even like do zero, like give the man he
Speaker 6: would look really good. Yeah he does, he would. He will.
Speaker 6: I think, Jerry, if you want to sell jerseys, if
Speaker 6: you if you're waiting to to do this thing is
Speaker 6: a way to sell jerseys. I think next season maybe
Speaker 6: in it during training camp or however you let make
Speaker 6: a big deal, you know, be at camp and get
Speaker 6: into an argument with rowdy and just ripped his number
Speaker 6: off and give it to give it to uh to Marveon.
Speaker 6: But the Marion should be winging zero.
Speaker 7: I think that.
Speaker 5: I think when he said that he was when Jerry
Speaker 5: said that he was joking.
Speaker 6: You guys realize that, right, But that's what the Marveon
Speaker 6: said that in the interview.
Speaker 5: When because the media asked you about that, and he
Speaker 5: was just kind of like, I mean, rally.
Speaker 7: Wear zero and he was just you know, that's Harry,
Speaker 7: kind of like Chris, do some research. Don't get us
Speaker 7: in trouble, but go do some research.
Speaker 6: I can give you some research. But I'm gonna be
Speaker 6: on this there.
Speaker 5: All right, we'll come back in your office, all right, fellas,
Speaker 5: good stuff.
Speaker 7: We actually went over. Yeah, we were going to be early.
Speaker 7: Sorry Nate, Sorry, good seeing you guys.
Speaker 6: Feel better? My boy? Oh man, what is going.
Speaker 1: To be mus and eggs?
Speaker 5: Only one pump today, Miller like whiskey and all the
Speaker 5: over the county.
Speaker 1: That's why, that's why you don't make it from you drinking,
Speaker 1: quit drinking.
Speaker 5: I have kind of slowed down and almost stopped. Thank
Speaker 5: you very much, Chris, thanks for keeping us on their jazz.
Speaker 1: And Josh, you ain't looking drank.
Speaker 7: Keeping him company tomorrow. Let's take some phone calls.
Speaker 1: We'll be back.
Speaker 7: Want hanging with the boys.
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