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Speaker 1: talking about it? I think it's hugely important to hold

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Speaker 1: fit to be in office. And you could say, well,

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Speaker 1: we know he's fit, yes, but you have to persuade.

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Speaker 1: Politics is the art of persuasion, and if you can

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Speaker 1: that reason, and we did not play this, But there

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Speaker 1: seems to be a series of revelations that must be

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Speaker 1: particularly devastating to Joe Biden, which we told you would

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Speaker 2: I just I just want to add, you know, it wasn't. Okay, guys,

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Speaker 1: This was Alyssa Farr Griffin, who used to work in

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Speaker 1: Would it not help them if Biden just vanished, though,

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Speaker 2: This is the last gasp of Bidenism on the public

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Speaker 9: Well, you're absolutely right. Small businesses are not only the backbone,

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Speaker 9: it's incredibly humbling to be the cabinet level person advocating

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's an important question. Look, there's going to be

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Speaker 1: Kelly, when you look at this bill that is obviously

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Speaker 9: I think it's incredibly important, Clay, because I think this

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Speaker 3: It's going to.

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Speaker 9: Bring in about six billion in tariff revenue. But what

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Speaker 9: barriers against our country that have made us more dependent

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Speaker 9: on bringing in goods. So small businesses that I'm seeing

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Speaker 9: on the ground, the manufacturers and particularly are gearing up

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Speaker 9: to invest and make things in America that we can

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Speaker 9: then ship overseas, keep for ourselves and not be reliant

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Speaker 9: on anyone for food, for pharmaceuticals, other critical areas of

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Speaker 9: our trade. So I think, look, small businesses are certainly

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Speaker 9: just critical in this conversation, and I am making sure

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Speaker 9: that they have a seat at the table because this

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Speaker 9: is the again, it's really the backbone of our country,

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Speaker 9: and we have to make sure that we're well aware

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Speaker 9: of everything going on in The President is on top

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Speaker 9: of it, and that's why he's pushing fair trade, lower taxes,

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Speaker 9: less regulation, low energy, prices. This all benefits small businesses.

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Speaker 1: Kelly, I hear you were touring the Tennessee Titans football stadium.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully at some point in time I'll actually start winning

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Speaker 1: games when that new stadium opens up. But there is

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Speaker 1: a lot of optimism. Obviously you've been in Tennessee. Nashville

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Speaker 1: is growing very rapidly. I know you live in Georgia,

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Speaker 1: which has also got a pretty good economy rolling What

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Speaker 1: do you think of the stadium and in general, what

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Speaker 1: do you think that's going to mean for downtown Nashville

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Speaker 1: where for people who are around here, I think we're going

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Speaker 1: to get a Super Bowl, which is going to be

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Speaker 1: pretty cool in a few years for the city of Nashville.

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Speaker 9: I think it's a tremendous investment that is really powering

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Speaker 9: the economy. Even today, we saw a thousand workers on site,

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Speaker 9: driven by more than sixty five small businesses that are

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Speaker 9: helping build that stadium. And so in addition to the

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Speaker 9: entertainment value and the value it brings to small businesses

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Speaker 9: in terms of creating sustainable businesses around that stadium, it's

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Speaker 9: just going to create this venue that builds a really

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Speaker 9: strong community. And I was with your great Governor, Governor Lee,

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Speaker 9: and just looking at you, I think the state is

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Speaker 9: now the crane, the construction crane, given how many cranes

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Speaker 9: are in the air there. But it was exciting to

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Speaker 9: great small business contractor that won the SBA one of

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Speaker 9: the contractor or the SBA awards, And you know, he

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Speaker 9: was just talking about the generational change that this economic

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Speaker 9: development is creating for all communities across Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: What does it look like, Kelly, if we get to

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Speaker 2: a reasonable best case outcome, specifically with the trade tariff

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Speaker 2: issue with China, like what we know with our other allies,

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Speaker 2: because you've already seen some of they go, Okay, we

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Speaker 2: need to reassess this, you need to even some things out.

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Speaker 2: That's fine. China is a different ballo axe and a

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Speaker 2: much bigger challenge, I think than obviously our allies offer

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Speaker 2: for clear reasons. What does it look like if Trump

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Speaker 2: gets that where he wants it to be.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's an important question in those conversations are starting tomorrow.

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Speaker 9: It sounds like and what we need to make sure

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Speaker 9: is that America America's interests are protected in this in

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Speaker 9: ways that they have not been in the past, whether

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Speaker 9: it's intellectual property. What happened is we would send our

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Speaker 9: intellectual property overseaves, they'd manufacture it for us, and then

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Speaker 9: they'd put the trade barrier up, so they would have

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Speaker 9: stolen our intellectual property manufactured it there for their people,

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Speaker 9: and then we lose that market. So we're going to

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Speaker 9: have those protections. We're going to have larger markets if

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Speaker 9: we can have more cooperative reciprocal trade levels, and then

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Speaker 9: we won't have the non tariff trade barriers that they've

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Speaker 9: set up against us. They've put up kind of false

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Speaker 9: environmental barriers, health barriers and other things that they don't

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Speaker 9: hold themselves to, but they can erect that against our manufacturers.

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Speaker 9: And so I think restoring our strength by having manufacturing

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Speaker 9: here and pursuing our energy dominance agenda, we start mining

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Speaker 9: in America again, getting the rare earth minerals and making

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Speaker 9: sure that we TechEd our economic security and our national

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Speaker 9: security at the same time, because we have seen with

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Speaker 9: the Chips situation and others, rarers were way too dependent

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Speaker 9: on China in terms of national security. And I've seen

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Speaker 9: some great chips manufacturers, small businesses in America. This can

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Speaker 9: be done, but we have to really focus in on

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Speaker 9: that as much as we're focusing on what China is doing.

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Speaker 2: Kelly Leffler, Administrator of the US Small Business Administration, Kelly,

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Speaker 2: thanks so much for being with us. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 9: Thank you all. Great to be with you.

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Speaker 2: I'm optimistic, well, we've been optimistic the whole time actually

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Speaker 2: about the economy.

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Speaker 1: I think we have this summer, and again I don't

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Speaker 1: want to go full Jim Kramer here because he tends

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Speaker 1: to be wrong on everything, but I think by the summer,

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Speaker 1: as more and more of these trade deals are rolling out,

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Speaker 1: I think we will be back near an all time

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Speaker 1: high in where stock prices are.

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Speaker 2: You know, some of our adversaries get a vote as well.

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Speaker 2: And officials from the Bricks Nations or meeting in Brazil

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Speaker 2: this July to discuss the US dollar. I mean, these

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Speaker 2: are big countries with big economies, China, Russia, India, South Africa.

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Speaker 2: One of the topics at that meeting is whether they

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Speaker 2: calling this a rio reset for a reason. If that

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Speaker 1: many of the different aspects having to do with defense.

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Speaker 1: But before we get into all that, Buck and I

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Speaker 1: have been debating off air. I don't know we really

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Speaker 1: ever debated it on air, a question that has taken

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Speaker 1: the Internet by fire. It is Friday. You are a

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Speaker 1: Navy sealed training by background, one of the badasses on

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Speaker 1: Seal buddies got to fight a single gorilla, what would

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Speaker 1: your strategy be and what do you think the outcome

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Speaker 1: would be? Only your bare hands, only the gorilla's bare

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Speaker 1: hands as well, obviously, how do you attack? What is

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Speaker 1: your plan and what is the outcome?

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Speaker 6: Well, Clay, I was you know what, I didn't want

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Speaker 6: to come on and talk about into your Pakistan today.

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Speaker 6: I definitely didn't want to come and talk about the Pope.

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Speaker 6: I didn't want to talk about Scott Beston's awesome testimony

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Speaker 6: or cash on the Hill.

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Speaker 3: What I wanted to talk about was.

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Speaker 6: This plan on how to hammer these gorillas.

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Speaker 3: All right, this is easy.

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Speaker 6: I've been thinking about this since it first came out.

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Speaker 6: You don't need one hundred team guys. You need seventeen

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Speaker 6: drunk team guys, right, and you need two to bring

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Speaker 6: some type of like hypnotization on them, right, lull them down,

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Speaker 6: and then you need two of your biggest meatheads to

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Speaker 6: attack the legs, attack the arms, and then the rest

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Speaker 6: of them. They just sit on top of them and

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Speaker 6: they do these calming petting techniques and tell he goes

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Speaker 6: limp and then they just choke him out.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 1: That's the technique, So you think you could hypnotize the

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Speaker 1: gorilla into submission.

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Speaker 6: One hundred, Push said, howbn't you seen the famous video

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Speaker 6: of Robin Williams sitting with that silver back and like

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Speaker 6: petting them and putting them into that or or Jane

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Speaker 6: Goodall in the forest she goes over and she catch

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Speaker 6: his arm. I'm telling you the whole thing, like you're

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Speaker 6: gonna bum rush a silver back. That's nuts.

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what, you gotta have.

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Speaker 6: Seventeen drunk team guys to even remotely consider the whole

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Speaker 2: Well, this is what I've been saying to everybody Rut,

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Speaker 2: and that is if you allow this to be like

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Speaker 2: the Spartans at Thermopyla, where because of the hot gates

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Speaker 2: they were able to funnel in the Persians and take

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Speaker 2: them not one at a time, but you know, hundreds

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Speaker 2: at a time, so they couldn't be surrounded. And you

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Speaker 2: know that's why I think seventeen is the optimal number.

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Speaker 2: I totally agree with you, and I appreciate that this,

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Speaker 2: this plan, this this tactical plan, would come straight from you.

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Speaker 2: All right, now we can actually get into some other

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Speaker 2: things in the in the policy realm and you guys

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Speaker 2: should all check out the David Rutherford Show. How do

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Speaker 2: you think I mean, I know you were pro secretary

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Speaker 2: Hegseth going into this whole thing. How do you think

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Speaker 2: it's going over there so far? What do you make

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Speaker 2: from some of the Let me ask you this, what

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Speaker 2: are some of the specops guys that are dear friends

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Speaker 2: of yours, guys you serve with, how do they feel

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Speaker 2: about the trajectory of the Pentagon right now?

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Speaker 6: Definitely shaky? You know, I think we all love that

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Speaker 6: piece out there. He's doing the dog and ponies, He's

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Speaker 6: he's doing workouts with the troops, Tim and Tulsey that

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Speaker 6: there's nothing better than morale boosting when your leader is

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Speaker 6: out there with you, you know, grinding. But you know,

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Speaker 6: the Pentagon is a lot different than mourning pt routines.

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Speaker 6: That building, as you know, Buck.

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Speaker 3: Uh is is uh. You know, it's it's.

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Speaker 6: Its own thing. And with a trillion dollar budget, uh,

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Speaker 6: you need to get in that building and you need

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Speaker 6: to go to every floor, every office, make your presence

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Speaker 6: known and figure out what those offices, what those branches need,

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Speaker 6: and and start helping them do their job. Overseas and

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Speaker 6: with foreign policy, because that's the thing. If you're not

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Speaker 6: in that building, then you're not. You might as well

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Speaker 6: your your position, your power is essentially muted.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you mentioned the situation with Indian and Pakistan, and

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Speaker 1: I know you going to be doing a deep dive

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Speaker 1: for it in the podcast for people out there, and

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Speaker 1: I'll put myself in this category that are not experts

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Speaker 1: in the long term geopolitical relationship between India and Pakistan

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Speaker 1: and the danger that that relationship can provoke and has

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Speaker 1: recently flared up. What should we know? What is the

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Speaker 1: important thing that you think the average American right now

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Speaker 1: should know about why this matters?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 6: Three things are easy, real simple to understand. First and foremost,

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Speaker 6: this has been going on since nineteen forty eight when

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Speaker 6: Britain gave that region up. They split into based on

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Speaker 6: Hindu and Muslim back you know, backgrounds, so that ever

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Speaker 6: since they're the region of Kashmir has been contentious. They've

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Speaker 6: had three wars, multiple skirmishes. So this is a long

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Speaker 3: That's going on. So it's not adam den, no wear

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Speaker 3: out of new So that's the first thing.

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Speaker 6: The other thing, the most important thing, by far is

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Speaker 6: you know, This is a very strategic place for the

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Speaker 6: United States because as we try and you know, reshore

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Speaker 6: a lot of our industrialization and pull it out of

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Speaker 6: China in particular antibiotics, you know, other different industrial capacities,

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Speaker 6: and we partner with India, that's really going to give

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Speaker 6: us a lot more leverage on the world stage economically.

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Speaker 6: So I think understanding those ties. You know, there is

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Speaker 6: tied to Russia and receiving all of its weapons or

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Speaker 6: a lot of it's you know, really substantial military support

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Speaker 6: from Russia. But you have the same thing with China

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Speaker 6: and Pakistan, so that makes it a little odd. But

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Speaker 6: the number one thing, hands down by far, is that

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Speaker 6: these are both nuclear countries. And I just for me

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Speaker 6: right now, after having suffered through the last four years

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Speaker 6: with Ukraine and the being on the precipice there, this

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Speaker 6: one's even more strenuous to me because there's a lot

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Speaker 6: of pretty radical people in these countries and they are

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Speaker 6: die hard. So those are the real top three things. Obviously,

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Speaker 6: on Monday, I'm going to dig into these in a

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Speaker 6: lot more depth.

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Speaker 2: You know, Dave, we're speaking of David Rutherford he is

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Speaker 2: part of the Clay and Buck podcast network. He's launched

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Speaker 2: the Dave Rutherford Show David Rutherford Show, which is doing

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Speaker 2: fantastic numbers already, because you guys are understanding just what

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Speaker 2: a great program it is, and we appreciate that, you know, Dave.

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Speaker 2: Pam Bondi announced one of the largest fentanyl seizures in

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Speaker 2: history this week, clearly because of the change in the

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Speaker 2: way this administration approaches the border compared to what they

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Speaker 2: had with Joe Biden before. Right wide open border, bad

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Speaker 2: border with actual security procedures and law and order in place. Good.

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Speaker 2: But now it starts to raise I think the question

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Speaker 2: again about well, what about going more to the source,

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Speaker 2: not just stopping the end users from getting their hands

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Speaker 2: on this from dealers on the streets, the cartels who

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Speaker 2: pull those strings, but the cartel's on the Mexican side

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Speaker 2: of the border, somebody the special operations community. How do

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Speaker 2: you think it goes? If Trump follows through and what

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Speaker 2: was talked about early on here with using much more

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Speaker 2: aggressive tactics, including special operators when necessary to go after

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Speaker 2: top cartel guys across the border.

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Speaker 6: I personally think it could be substantial. The challenge as

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Speaker 6: you both know, is how integrated the cartels are in

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Speaker 6: the political system in Mexico. You know, I'm still waiting

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Speaker 6: to see a more strict stance by the President of Mexico.

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Speaker 6: She's not doing that, I know. You know, at first,

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Speaker 6: what I would love to see is US really integrate

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Speaker 6: into their intelligence apparatus, start sharing intel, you know, get

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Speaker 6: some assistance with US and our intelligence in particular the NSA,

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Speaker 6: to really kind of slow roll and take these guys

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Speaker 6: down a little bit more. But you know, in terms

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Speaker 6: of getting kinetic and putting you know, TAG or dan Nick,

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Speaker 6: you know, Delta or Seal Team six on the ground

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Speaker 6: or even GB ground branch, you know, I want to

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Speaker 6: reserve that for a little bit to see what the

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Speaker 6: reaction will be, because from what I'm hearing from a

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Speaker 6: lot of people, there's already you know, the turf war

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Speaker 6: has really begun because we've cut off their massive sources

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Speaker 6: of funding from human trafficking, We're debilitating their fentanyl distribution,

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Speaker 6: so that's going to cause a lot more problems. I

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Speaker 6: think we hold off on the kinetics, we really lean

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Speaker 6: in for intelligence support initially.

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Speaker 2: All right, it's Friday.

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Speaker 1: You've covered a wide range from guerrillas fighting humans, to

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Speaker 1: to the India Pakistan to how to handle the cartels

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Speaker 1: in Mexico. You also wade in Buck and I were talking.

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Speaker 1: Was it last week or this week? I can't even

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Speaker 1: remember about the rock and Buck I believe played audio

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Speaker 1: from you as a Navy Sealed spoiler alert nineteen ninety

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Speaker 1: five film The Navy Seals found themselves in a tough

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Speaker 1: situation against the Marines.

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Speaker 2: You said, that's never happening. They're never putting themselves in

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Speaker 2: that spot.

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Speaker 6: I did, But I mean, obviously, those those gentlemen. Their

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Speaker 6: plan of getting into Alphatraz, which is supposedly one of

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Speaker 6: the most secure places ever.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's a good plan. I you know. My

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Speaker 3: whole thing was it.

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Speaker 6: Was having you know, master chiefs. Jenny Chalker was in

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Speaker 6: that movie. Uh with that with Joe Hawes and Decker

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Speaker 6: and Instructor Decker and I love these guys so much.

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Speaker 2: They played a wait they were at with Dave. This

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Speaker 2: is important. I didn't realize this. There were actual seals

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Speaker 2: who were in the like former seals were in the movie.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, command, my, my. When I was at Buds, the.

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Speaker 6: Command master Chief was Dennis Chalker, who was a plank

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Speaker 6: owner at Steal Team six when when when Dick Marcinko started,

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Speaker 6: he chose that he was one of the original guys.

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Speaker 3: Well, he was in the movie along with two.

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Speaker 6: In strong doctors of my Joe Haas and an instructor Decker,

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Speaker 6: and these guys like it was really kind of the

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Speaker 6: first time other than Hubert Humphreys in a couple others,

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Speaker 6: he's the real guru of seal tactical consulting in the

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Speaker 6: movie business. But these guys, it was the first time

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Speaker 6: that they were. There was a ton of Team guys

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Speaker 6: in this movie. It was awesome to see them. We

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Speaker 6: loved it.

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Speaker 2: That's very very cool. I love you. Did you know

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Speaker 2: this whole time? I had no idea, you know, I

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Speaker 2: mean they were actual seals playing seals in the Rock,

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Speaker 2: which is a movie we love.

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Speaker 1: Probably made it even tougher for them to get wiped

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Speaker 1: out by the Marines like they did. How did those guys,

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Speaker 1: How did those guys show themselves hanging out with the seals?

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Speaker 1: After that, bro, you went in as the seal and

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Speaker 1: got taken out by the Marines. I would think that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you get to be in a Hollywood movie. Downside you

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Speaker 1: got murdered, taken out by guys you're supposed to be

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Speaker 1: able to kick their ass. This would be like New

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Speaker 1: York Buckett and choked out by Jake Tapper. I don't Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'd get to be in a movie, but I don't

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Speaker 1: know that. I don't know that we could show ourselves

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Speaker 1: anymore on in media. Yeah we couldn't after that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, take Tapper taps you out. You're in trouble.

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Speaker 1: Will appreciate you being a part of the podcast network.

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Speaker 1: You're killing it for people who haven't signed up. How

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Speaker 1: can they find you?

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Speaker 6: You could just go to iHeartMedia app and just look

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Speaker 6: up to David running Ford Show. We're also on Spotify, Apple, iTunes,

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Speaker 6: podcast everywhere there's audio, and you can also find us

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Speaker 3: Man, we're out there.

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Speaker 6: Just look up the David Rutherford Show.

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Speaker 2: RUT appreciate you. We got to get you out on

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Speaker 2: the rain soon because I got to get my skills

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Speaker 2: up to speed so that when Clay comes out there

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Speaker 2: as a first time or we're really going to get

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Speaker 2: some great footage.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, I cannot wait.

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Speaker 6: We are going to run play ragging out there.

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Speaker 3: I cannot wait.

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Speaker 2: That's gonna be awesome. All right, Ron, thank you sir.

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Speaker 2: Great to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: We got our friend Steve Hilton on the line with

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Speaker 2: us now. He is of Fox News fame and he

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Speaker 2: is running for governor of our biggest state by population, California.

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Speaker 2: A lot of you are residents of that great state,

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Speaker 2: which is poorly governed but still a lovely place. Steve,

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Speaker 2: good to have you on the program.

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Speaker 10: Oh, it's fantastic to be with you.

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Speaker 11: And I've got a new claim to fame, okay, which

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Speaker 11: is that Gavin Newsom just launched what he calls a

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Speaker 11: fact checking website to fight back against misinformation and the

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Speaker 10: And guess who is his first target?

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Speaker 9: Me?

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Speaker 11: So I think I'm doing something right if he's focusing

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Speaker 11: on me, and guess what he Folks on a point

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Speaker 11: that I made about people leaving California said that is false.

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Speaker 11: Our population is growing, and so Clay if I can

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Speaker 11: just use a very simple basic sports analogy, own goal,

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Speaker 11: Gavin Newsom. Yes, our population is growing in California, but

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Speaker 11: only because of illegal immigration. Actual people are leaving in

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Speaker 11: droves because of the mismanagement, the taxes, the regulation, the

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Speaker 1: All right, Steve, I want you to introduce I know

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Speaker 1: you've been on the show before. You had a great

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Speaker 1: book that came out recently, but I want to give

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Speaker 1: you an opportunity because there's tons of people listening right

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Speaker 1: now in California. Also, as you just mentioned, a lot

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Speaker 1: listening to us right now. You love the state of California.

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Speaker 1: You grew up a huge fan of a beautiful state.

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Speaker 1: What is your background and how have you come to

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Speaker 1: end up running for governor of California?

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Speaker 10: Book? Can hear? I still have the British accident. I

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Speaker 10: was born and raised in the UK.

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Speaker 11: My parents Hungarian, actually they were produced from communism in Hungary.

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Speaker 11: Most of my families back in Hungy and then in

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Speaker 11: twenty twelve we moved here to California with my wife

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Speaker 11: and my two sons. So I've raised my family here.

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Speaker 11: I taught at Stamford University, I started a business here.

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Speaker 11: All of that before joining Fox News, and in fact,

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Speaker 11: just before moving here to California, I worked in the

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Speaker 11: government in the UK, our senior advisor to Prime Minister

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Speaker 11: David Cameron, where I was really leading our domestic policy reform.

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Speaker 11: So I've worked in government, I've worked in the private sector.

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Speaker 10: I've had this show on Fox News.

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Speaker 11: I've just written a book about how California is the

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Speaker 11: worst run state in America. But the good news is

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Speaker 11: all of that is man made. This is not a

870
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Speaker 11: natural disaster. These are all decisions and policies implemented by Democrats.

871
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Speaker 11: We can turn it all around as long as we

872
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 11: vote for people who are going to bring change. And

873
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Speaker 11: that's why I'm running for governor. It's very obvious what

874
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 11: needs to be done here. It's just as the President says,

875
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 11: it's just common sense. It's not complicated. But we just

876
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 11: need to vote for change. Too many people, I think,

877
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 11: have given up on California. They assume it's going to

878
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Speaker 11: be like this forever. That is not the case. I've

879
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 11: been on the road now nearly three weeks. Everywhere I

880
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 11: go you get this huge energy, people just sick and

881
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 11: tired of the nonsense and really optimistic that now we've

882
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 11: got a candidate with the energy and the ideas to

883
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Speaker 11: make a difference, and that's going to be me.

884
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Speaker 2: Steve, it would be you know, obviously there was another

885
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: very successful and well known immigrant to this country, legal

886
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: immigrant to this country who became the governor, so we

887
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 2: all remember, and he was I believe a Republican at

888
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: the time. So it is possible were a ways out

889
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: from where you would get the opportunity to dethrone nousimism,

890
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: which even though the Democrats would kick and scream about

891
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: it would be for their own good. But how do

892
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 2: you run that gauntlet? I mean, what can you do

893
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 2: in a state like California where what is it about

894
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 2: sixty forty Democrat or Republican by registration maybe a little more. Yeah,

895
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: how can you actually thread this needle and win? It

896
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Speaker 2: has been done in the not too distant past. What

897
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 2: would you have to do to make this a serious race?

898
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Speaker 2: And you know, not like there are some people that

899
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: run for governor there as a vanity campaign. What are

900
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Speaker 2: you going to do?

901
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 10: One percent totally agree with that.

902
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 11: And look, here's the starting point is that there are

903
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Speaker 11: some ingredients that are grounds for optimism. So in the

904
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Speaker 11: last election in November twenty twenty four, ten counties in

905
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Speaker 11: California flip from blue to red, and you know, including

906
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 11: some significant ones like Fresno County. I'll be there later today.

907
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 11: I'm in the Central Valley today with our great egg industry,

908
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 11: which I've been a huge supporter of. Fresno County. Fresno's

909
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 11: the fifth biggest city in California flip from blue to

910
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 11: read along with nine other counties. Huntington Beach, the biggest

911
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 11: city in Orange County. That's where I launched my campaign

912
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 11: a couple of weeks ago, because it's so symbolic.

913
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Speaker 10: Just four years ago.

914
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 11: For a little bit little over four years ago, the

915
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Speaker 11: city council there was six to one Democrat. Now it's

916
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 11: seven zero Republican massive turnaround there and was just rated

917
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 11: the best run city in California. You look at the

918
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 11: number of votes that President Trump got in California. That's

919
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 11: more than enough to win in twenty twenty six, which

920
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Speaker 11: is a midterm year where you tend to have lower

921
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 11: voting turnout. So if all the Trump voters turn out

922
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 11: in twenty twenty six, I will win. Now, of course

923
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 11: that's a big if, but it's something you can work

924
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Speaker 11: on to persuade people that it's worth going out to vote.

925
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Speaker 11: And then the final ingredient, and this is really where

926
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Speaker 11: my focus is going to be, is just as you've

927
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Speaker 11: seen across the country in the Trump years, this massive

928
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 11: political realignment with Latinos and working class voters shifting from

929
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 11: Democrat to Republican.

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00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 10: That's our opportunity in California.

931
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Speaker 11: Latinos are the largest group in California forty percent of

932
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 11: the population, and the working class vote, which the Democrats

933
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 11: have taken for granted, is right there for the taking now.

934
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Speaker 11: I was in East LA on Monday, sitting down with

935
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Speaker 11: working class Latino families, parents, and business owners.

936
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Speaker 10: They are sick of all the nonsense.

937
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Speaker 11: They're the people hammered the most by these policies, the

938
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 11: tax increases, the regulations, the climate extremism. That tells you

939
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 11: what kind of truck to drive and how.

940
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 10: To cook your food. They've had it with all of

941
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 10: that stuff, the nonsense in the schools.

942
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Speaker 11: So I think that's our opportunity, and I'm going to

943
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 11: really go for it with that kind of populist message.

944
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 11: I think that's the real heart of this. The theme

945
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 11: of my show was positive populism. I wrote a book

946
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 11: a few years ago called Positive Populism. I think that's

947
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 11: how we can pull this off in California.

948
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Speaker 1: What's the latest on the wildfires in the La Area,

949
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: Pacific Palacades, Alta Dina, If I remember correctly the neighborhoods

950
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: that were most devastated, and how do you think that

951
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 1: might have shaken people out of some of the entrenched

952
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: politics that they might have embraced for a generation.

953
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 11: It's incredibly important because it is just an absolute symbol

954
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 11: of everything that's wrong with California, because it's this combination

955
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Speaker 11: of ideological extremism and governing incompetence. Those two things together,

956
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 11: the ideology is what led to the fact that these

957
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 11: fires were so much worse than they need have been

958
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 11: because of the environmental extremism that said, you can't clear brush,

959
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 11: you can't manage your land properly. People are fined for

960
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 11: trying to clear brush from their own property, all driven

961
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 11: by their climate extremism. And then you see the incompetence,

962
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 11: of course, the empty reservoir, the fire hydrants with no water,

963
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 11: the fire department that was not deployed properly, on and

964
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Speaker 11: on right, and the reason that's so important. And now

965
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 11: you see the incompetence totally exceeding even what we saw before.

966
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 11: Karen Bass saying to President Trump to his face, yes,

967
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 11: we're going to get on with it, an issue permits

968
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 11: for rebuilding and do it in record time. Still, I

969
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 11: mean a few weeks ago is four permits had been issued.

970
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 11: Now I think it's up to the massive number of thirty.

971
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 11: It is an absolute joke. It and exposes how ridiculous

972
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 11: these people are. So Karen Bass, a few weeks ago

973
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 11: she did a press conference where she announced where the

974
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 11: post that she put out said, I have just signed

975
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 11: an executive order streamlining permitting for rebuilding Los Angeles. If

976
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 11: you actually look at what she said, it says she said,

977
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 11: I've just signed an executive order tasking agency heads with

978
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 11: developing paths forward to streamlining permits.

979
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 10: In other words, it's bs because all you've.

980
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 11: Got from these California politicians is these idiots who have

981
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 11: no clue how to run anything. All they do is

982
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 11: manage their way around the political machine that's being exposed.

983
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 11: And the reason it matters so much that it's in LA,

984
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 11: it's because Los Angeles is the biggest county in California.

985
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 11: Twenty three percent of the vote is LA County. So

986
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 11: the fact that that's the place that's been so directly

987
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 11: exposed to the disaster of Democrat rule is incredibly important

988
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 11: and another great ingredient for how we can win here.

989
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 2: Speaking of Steve Hilton, he has announced his candidacy for

990
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 2: governor of California. I was wondering, Steve, because you would

991
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 2: have an ear to the ground, so to speak, on

992
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: how things are going with the opposition there, with the

993
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 2: Democrats that you're going to try to unseat. The future

994
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 2: of Kamala Harris in California politics. People talk about her

995
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 2: still as possible governor, they talk about her still as

996
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,280
Speaker 2: possible presidential candidate. How do you see Kamala's future?

997
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 11: Well, what just in terms of what I'm hearing to

998
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 11: take the first part of your question, what we're hearing

999
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 11: from those close to her and reporters who follow her

1000
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 11: movements is that she's been told in no uncertain terms

1001
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 11: that there's really no support for her from the donors

1002
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 11: from the Democrat machine for another presidential run.

1003
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 10: That the support isn't there for that.

1004
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 11: So if she wants to do anything, it's going to

1005
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 11: be governor of California. I would welcome that, because when

1006
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 11: people ask me, well, how are you going to win

1007
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 11: as a Republican in California, Here's what I say.

1008
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 10: The truth is, we've got majorities in.

1009
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 11: California now who say, for a long time have been

1010
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 11: saying it's time for change.

1011
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 10: States going in the wrong direction, all of that.

1012
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 11: So the candidate who's going to win in twenty twenty six,

1013
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 11: regardless of party label, is the change candidate. Kamala Harris

1014
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 11: is literally the most implausible change.

1015
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 10: Candidate you could ever imagine.

1016
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 11: She's been around in California politics for decades and she's

1017
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 11: done nothing of any note where is a single accomplishment

1018
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 11: in all her years da of San Francisco, Attorney General

1019
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 11: of California, Senator for California, vice vice president, and a

1020
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 11: disastrous presidential candidate. Not once in any of those years,

1021
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 11: but she actually delivered anything of value to anybody in

1022
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 11: the real world. And so I don't think there's anything

1023
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 11: better that would help our chances more than for Kamala

1024
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 11: Harris to be the candidate. Plus you'd get I think,

1025
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 11: a lot of support right across the country from people

1026
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 11: who would love the chance to beat her again.

1027
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: I love your pitch, and I think that you not

1028
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: being from California actually makes the pitch really resonate.

1029
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 2: Buck and I have talked about this.

1030
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: I didn't get to go visit the state of California

1031
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: until I think I was twenty one. I had a

1032
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: college roommate from there, went out and visited. Buck grew

1033
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 1: up in New York City. California was a shimmering city

1034
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: on a hill, dreamy for a lot of people who

1035
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: live in many parts of the United States. And I

1036
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 1: bet also for kids like you growing up in England,

1037
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: growing up in Europe, that it was a place that

1038
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: people aspired to go. You can help to tell that

1039
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: story and bring it back. But when you travel the state,

1040
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: do you get that sense that there still is that

1041
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: desire to make California really epitomize and personify the American dream?

1042
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 11: Oh, Clay, you're so right about that. In fact, there's

1043
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 11: a very specific example of what you about. Back in

1044
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 11: the day before when I was working for David Cameron,

1045
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 11: he was the leader of the Conservative Party. I was

1046
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 11: his as chief policy advisor. Before we actually before he

1047
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 11: became Prime Minister. The Spectator magazine print magazine in the

1048
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 11: UK ran a cover story about the plans that we

1049
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 11: were developing, and the headline of the piece was California Dreaming,

1050
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 11: and the theme of the article was Steve Hilton, David

1051
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 11: Cameron's policy guru. The plans they're developing are all about

1052
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 11: making the UK more like California.

1053
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 10: He's inspired by California. He thinks it's the best place

1054
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 10: in the world.

1055
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 11: Okay, this was twenty years ago, So I mean, is

1056
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 11: there a single political advisor anywhere in the world who

1057
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 11: would want to make their country more like California today?

1058
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 11: Of course, not that shows how far badly off track

1059
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 11: we've gotten, But the point is there. Exactly as you

1060
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 11: said to me, California represents the ultimate expression of America.

1061
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 11: There's a phrase that I used the whole time, California

1062
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 11: means to America, what America means to the world. So

1063
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 11: to me, California represents everything I love about this country.

1064
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 11: Ambition and energy and optimism and dynamism and startup hustle,

1065
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 11: So the rebel spirit, the people who made it here

1066
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 11: to the West Coast and went through the Sierra Nevada

1067
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 11: and struggled through all those barriers to get here and

1068
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 11: build this amazing place that we have, as far as

1069
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 11: I'm concerned, the greatest place in the world, California. That's

1070
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 11: an amazing energy that we have, and it's been crushed

1071
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 11: by this ridiculous, bossy, bureaucratic, nanny state, bloated government. If

1072
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 11: we lift that off, there's nothing that we can't do

1073
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 11: in California.

1074
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 10: And I love that.

1075
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 11: I'm in love with California in a very very serious way,

1076
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 11: and that's why I'm really determined to do this. If

1077
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 11: we can turn things around in California, it's not just

1078
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 11: going to be great for all of us here, it's

1079
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 11: going to be great for the whole country too.

1080
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 2: Steve Hilton, where's your website for the campaign? Anybody who

1081
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 2: live We have a lot of California listeners. Such a big state,

1082
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 2: so many great Republicans behind enemy lines there, where do

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Speaker 11: So Steve Hilton for Governor dot com. Fr Steve Hilton

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Speaker 11: for Governor dot com. We would love your support. We're

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Speaker 11: up against a very big and well funded Democrat machine,

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Speaker 11: the government unions of but I'd love people's time and

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Speaker 11: energy as well. We've got to really build a grassroots movement,

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Speaker 11: so you can get involved with us at the website.

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Speaker 11: Steve Hiltonfogovernor dot com.

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Speaker 2: We'll be talking to you more, Steve. Good luck to you,

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Speaker 2: thanks for being here.

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Speaker 10: Fantastic great to see you. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Preborn accomplishes in a year what pro life organizations, many

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