WEBVTT - 11/17/20 DPS-BEST OF 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.600 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:07.200 Sports Radio. The NBA offseason is usually a lot of fun. 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:09.119 You have the draft and then you have free agency, 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:12.320 and it comes right after the NBA Finals, and typically 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:15.640 the NBA owns that stretch of June. You're really and 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:20.400 your competition is baseball, but mid November a lot different, 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:24.120 a lot more competition, And even if you're not distracted 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:26.560 or we weren't by football, there's still a lot of 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:30.040 storylines to grab onto this week. And you have a 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:32.600 trade already with Chris Paul going to the Phoenix Suns, 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:35.559 and maybe you get James Harden going to Brooklyn. I 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:37.280 don't know if you're going to have big name free 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:41.120 agents hitting the market, and we don't have any idea 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.440 who these draft prospects are because there was no NCAA tournament. 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:47.320 That's usually the coming out party where we get introduced 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:49.600 to somebody and then we fall in love with them. 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:53.080 But the college players didn't get a chance to take 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:56.120 that stage, so their names never took hold. You know, 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:58.520 the real name that we know is LaMelo Ball, but 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.760 that's basically because of his family, not necessarily because of 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:03.880 his play. You got a lot of these players who 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.920 played overseas and whoever these guys are, We're going to 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:10.480 see him soon enough, because the season starts December twenty second. 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:13.440 Not a lot of hype this week for the draft. 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.319 The season will be here soon enough to keep NBA 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:20.399 fans quite busy. But the big storyline is James Harden. 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:25.399 Once out of Houston. They built this team around James 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:27.640 hard Remember, James Harden didn't want to play with Chris 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:31.039 Paul anymore, and they ship him off to Oklahoma City 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.920 and send a ton of draft picks with him, because 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:38.399 you know, James Harden wanted to play with Russell Westbrook. 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:42.279 So Daryl Morey makes the trade the GM and then 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:46.919 brings in Russell Westbrook. Now, I don't know if Russell 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:49.520 Westbrook wants out or they're gonna ship him out, And 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:54.840 James Harden now wants out as well, So their long 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:59.760 term odds of keeping Harden are rapidly decreasing. Here. I 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.720 wonder if you have a style that can keep James 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:07.800 Harden there. You know, he's a ball dominant player, ball hog. 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:10.000 And if you want to go to Brooklyn, is he 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:11.760 going to be able to get back to maybe his 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:13.880 role that he played when he was in Oklahoma City 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:17.320 with Kevin Durant. It's hard to go from I get 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.560 to shoot as much as I want every single game 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.280 to hey, let's move the ball around a little bit. 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:28.480 I think winning is the great elixir here. He's thirty 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:31.359 one years of age. He's looking around to everybody he's 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:35.399 playing against, and they're all winning. They've all got titles, 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:39.720 and he once won. Kevin Durant ran into this as well. 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:43.000 Oklahoma City looked around, Hey, if I want to be 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:45.400 recognized one of the ten great players of all time, 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:49.760 I gotta win championships. James Harden is nothing more than 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:53.160 what Michael Jordan was when he first started. He was 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:56.680 a highlight reel, fun to watch, but there was nothing 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.720 else attached to it. And I think when Phil Jackson 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.440 came in and is able to say to Michael, you 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:04.799 know your legacy is going to be just one of 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.000 the great scores of all time, why not be one 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:09.320 of the great winners of all time. I don't know 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:11.920 if James Harden cares about that. I know Kevin Durant 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:14.840 cares about his legacy. I don't know if Kyrie does. 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:18.720 But if you're going to put those three together and 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:21.160 they understand what their roles are or what they want 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:25.000 to play. Can they play a Golden State style of offense? 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:28.240 Would be my big curiosity there. And we'll talk to 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.040 Woas about this because I think it looks like a 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:34.840 hot mess because you've got a new coach, Steve Nash 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:38.400 never coached before. Mike D'Antoni is there on the roster 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:41.240 as an assistant coach, and then you're going to bring 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:44.880 in James Harden, and you're gonna have Kyrie and Kevin 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:47.520 Durant and who's running the team. And it feels like 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:50.040 everybody's going to take their turn and I'm the coach, No, 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.160 you're the coach. I want to be the coach who's 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:57.000 taken the last shot. All of this, you know James Harden, 0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:59.840 you know he's wanting this, and people make a big 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:02.080 deal that he turned down a two year extension for 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:04.520 over one hundred million dollars. He's still going to get paid. 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.600 James Harden has made a half a billion dollars in 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:12.080 his career. If you look at the Adidas deal that 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:15.000 he's signed, which is a couple of hundred million dollars. 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:18.000 I don't even know what the James Harden shoe looks 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.839 like does anybody? And I know that I'm not in 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:23.120 their demo. You're going to bring it a guy for 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:27.040 two hundred million dollars. I don't know what Adidas gets 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:30.480 out of that, but James Harden got paid, and he's 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:33.239 gonna get paid. Maybe he doesn't get fifty million dollars 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:35.960 a year, but he's got a half a billion dollars 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:39.800 right now, and maybe he takes a little less. I 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:41.960 don't know what Brooklyn is going to give up to 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.960 get James Harden. Can they give Houston enough to bring 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:47.760 him in? Is that the only destination for him? And 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.880 if I'm the Rockets, I'm not in any hurry to 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:54.920 help out James Harden at all. Be like, all right, 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:58.040 you want out? Okay, you got two years left with us, James, 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:02.800 you help us? How do you help us? Because we 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:05.320 got to rebuild this entire system. You got a new 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:07.480 head coach coming in. How do you feel if you're 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:12.280 Russell Westbrook? James wants you. They're gonna trade all these 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:17.440 picks you get there. Oh, Harden wants out now? And 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:22.120 then who's gonna want Russell Westbrook? A ball dominant and 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.400 a big salary and he's not as good as player 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:30.920 as James Harden, but last one out of Houston turn 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.640 the lights off. Yes, I got a few NBA questions, 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:36.799 all right, First of one, doesn't feel like Russell westbrook'sill 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:38.760 be playing in China in about two years for seventy 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.080 five million a year. All right, back to this, if 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:44.440 you're Chris Paul, why would you want to go play 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:47.080 for the Phoenix Suns when you don't have a ring 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:51.599 and you're getting older? Where is he gonna go a 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:53.800 team that has a better chance to win a title? 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.400 But who is taking him? I don't know. It just 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:58.920 seems like you've got to give me the destination before. 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:01.440 But doesn' Chris Paul have like eighteen no trade clauses 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.840 where he decides where he goes. Well, you decided to 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:07.120 go to Phoenix, Okay? I thought Milwauke Milwaukee wasn't interested. 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:11.120 I think he would have gone to Milwaukee, and so 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:13.520 he went to Phoenix for a lifestyle move. Do you think, yes, 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.920 I'm a big serious yes, yes, okay, I think it's 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.640 a young team. It's really to me it hinges on 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:23.480 DeAndre eight and if he becomes a great player, then 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:25.560 they have a chance. They're not winning a title in 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:28.720 the next two years. I mean, they're just not. My 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:31.360 next question is, Okay, if if the Houston Rock has 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:34.400 tried to trade James Harden to the Brooklyn Nets, what 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:36.640 could the Nets give up? That's hard and worthy. They're 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:38.840 not giving up their two star players. A bunch of 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.160 B minus players and draft picks are going to be 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:43.560 the twenty eight ninth thirtieth pick in the draft. Well, 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:46.920 you're gonna get three starters right away. Caris LeVert is 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:51.479 a good player. Spencer Dinwiddie is a good player. Jackson 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:54.599 Allen is a good man. I mean he's a serviceable, 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:56.960 high energy big man. This reminds me there was a 0:06:56.960 --> 0:07:00.640 great trade years ago where I think Phoenix quired Charles 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:05.600 Barkley and they sent three starters like Tim las till Lay, 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.360 Tim Perry and look at the depth that the Philadelphia 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:10.240 seventy six ers have now get him into Barkley. How'd 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:13.320 that work out? Purpose Well, you also know that you're 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.560 gonna have to You're gonna lose him at some point. Now, 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.800 what do you get in return? I think I would 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:20.880 hold on to Harden. I'd just say, all right, you 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:24.160 want him, you gotta really blow us away here. But 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.400 if I'm getting three guys who were going to start, 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:30.440 and I'm gonna get some draft picks here, I free 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.720 up some cap space here as well. I don't If 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:35.440 I get rid of Harden, then I might as well 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:37.880 get rid of Russell Westbrook. And the fact that the 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:42.200 Hornets Michael Jordan wants Russell Westbrook. If I'm Houston, I'm like, 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:46.120 we'll drive him down. We'll hand deliver him down there 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:50.200 to the Hornets. If Mike wants him, you can have him. Yes, McLevin, 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:52.520 there's a report the Sixers don't want to give up 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:56.720 Simmons for Harden. It kind of makes sense, just an age, right, Yeah, 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.760 I get it. But but if I'm making the move, 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:01.920 if and now all that I think this came out, 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:05.240 and the timing of this came out, probably from Harden's side, 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:09.480 is let's see or houston side, let's see if we 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:12.280 can get somebody else interested here, because you if you 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:15.680 got two takers for Harden, now we can make the 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:19.440 deal even more enticing. But if I'm the seventy Sixers, 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:23.400 I would still look at James Harden and pair him 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:27.000 with Ben Simmons because people, I think, look at this 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:30.239 and go Ben Simmons, he doesn't play that style. Ben 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:33.280 Simmons is the perfect teammate. He doesn't have to have 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:37.760 he doesn't have to shoot, and Joe l Embiide wants 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.680 to shoot. He wants to average thirty points a game. 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.440 Ben Simmons will do all the dirty work for him. 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:48.240 But I go back to this was a story about 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:52.040 Steph Curry, and Steph Curry was telling people at the 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.480 All Star Game a couple of years ago that if 0:08:54.520 --> 0:09:00.200 Harden wants to be able to play that team ball like, 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.160 he'd love to be in a style, in a system 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:07.320 that has that, that embraces that incorporates that. I don't 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.600 know if you could create that in Brooklyn, but Durant 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:13.079 was part of that, and there's part of James Harden. 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:15.360 That and James Harden when he first started out as 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.360 sixth man in Oklahoma City, was a great off the 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:21.400 ball offensive player. He didn't have to have it, but 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:24.880 when he got it, he made Jupey. I don't know 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:28.160 what legacy means to him. I don't know if he 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:32.040 cares about this, but it feels like I'm thirty one. 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:34.560 I want to play with these guys. Maybe we have 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:38.640 some fun and win a championship here Durant. Durant wants 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.720 to be, you know, the greatest player of all time. 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.839 Like then his mind, legacy is really important. I don't 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:49.400 know about Kyrie, but it is fascinating that Steve Nash 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:51.520 is just going in there as the head coach. Yes, 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:53.880 Kyrie feels more like he would be. Like, you know, 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:56.559 legacy is just a construct of other people's mind. Why 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:59.800 would I limit myself to put myself in the box 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:01.839 of other people's minds when I can just live in 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:07.360 the stars. Yeah, and by the way, the Earth's flat. Yes, McLevin, 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.280 that's all good until you tweak your mcl I just 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:13.720 worry poll question or then that's a favorite if they 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:17.400 get those three favorite to win it all. Yes, let 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:19.640 me see what happens the rest of you know, the 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:24.520 offseason here, you know, who are the Lakers getting. Nobody's 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:27.439 talking about Golden State. I find it. I find it fascinating. 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.240 Or the Miami Heat. Now they haven't done anything. I 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:33.960 think what Milwaukee did yesterday, they got better. I'm not 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:37.000 a big Eric Bledsoe fan. I think that they got better. 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:42.720 Drew Holliday is a good player, two way player for them. Bogdanovich, 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.200 you know, it feels like they're doing some things, and 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:47.960 I think that it's enough for Yannis to sign that 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.920 Max deal and stay there. I think that's what they're 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:54.000 trying to do. It may be something that's not necessarily 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:56.880 for now, but it's for the next couple of years 0:10:56.920 --> 0:11:00.240 that Yannis sees that we have a chance to win. Now, 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:03.800 I Brooklyn gets James Harden, Yannis Mago, I don't have 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:06.360 a chance to win here. Why would I stay here? 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:08.160 But I think he's going to sign that Max steel 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.400 and stay in Milwaukee. Yees see Eric Bledsow, George Hill 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:15.200 and three first round picks. Yeah, yeah, that's I mean 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:19.199 that's ultimately five first round picks. Yeah, that's steep, steep. 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.920 But George Hill and Bledsoe won't stay in New Orleans now. 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:24.640 They've got too many point cards. I mean, it's still 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:28.319 Lonzo Ball's team as a point card. Yes, m club. Yeah. 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:30.559 When you say Drew Holiday and one of the Bogdanovitch 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:33.160 is it just feels like they're adding like more pieces around, 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:35.400 but not the right like they need a real number 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:39.400 two or well Middleton is a number two. It's not 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:42.000 a solid number two that you would have on other teams, 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:45.080 but you might have maybe a guy who's not a 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:47.679 solid number two, but you would have solid threes and 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:50.920 fours as well. And I think that's what they're trying 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.480 to do. Holiday in Bogdanovitch, to go with Middleton, to 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:56.120 go with Jannis. You know, it's it's a good team, 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.600 but I don't know if it's a good postseason team. 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.160 There's you know, the Rockets who are a great regular season. 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:04.560 There are certain teams that are great regular season teams, 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:06.480 get them in a postseason and then all of a 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:08.920 sudden they start to fold in a seven game series. 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.520 We've seen that with Milwaukee now back to back years. 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.760 You can lead the league and wins. Can you win 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:16.600 when you need to win in the postseason? Do you 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:19.840 have that style? And it was so simplistic for Miami. 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:23.320 What did Miami do? They basically said to the Greek freak, 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:25.240 we're going to set up a wall and you're not 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:26.959 going to be able to do those coast to coast 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:29.040 or drive whenever you want to. And then all of 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:31.240 a sudden, Milwaukee goes, hey, wait a minute, what's going 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.559 on here, we're not playing the way we normally do, 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.360 and Miami dusted them off. Yeah, Paul, One thing I'm 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:38.640 fascinated about it. If you're the GM and the president 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:41.440 and the ownership of Milwaukee Bucks, do you have a 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.200 conversation with Jannis and his agent before you make this 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:48.920 monster Yes? Well, but does the conversations Is it like, Hey, 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:51.640 we're about to make this monstrous trade. Will your client 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:53.560 be part of this team for the next seven years 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.400 if we make this monstrous trade? And how can you 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:58.560 trust the answer? And how can you get an answer? 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.000 Because if I'm an agent keeping my options open, if 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:03.520 I'm honest, I'm keeping options open. But you're making this 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.040 trade based on him being there, which is very awkward. 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.920 I have to include him. If I don't include him, 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.280 that's worse. But I would want the inclusion to get 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:14.360 work both ways. Well, no, he's not. He has no 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:17.000 reason to say, Hey, if you do this, I'm signing. 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:21.080 I think that he for him to sign off on 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.760 that Max deal, he has to approve the roster moves. 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.000 I would if I'm in his position and you want 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:31.320 me to stay. Hey, we're thinking of bringing in this 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:34.360 guy and this guy you know he might be best 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:39.160 friends with Eric Bledsoe or Dante de Vincenzo who got 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:41.679 traded as well. You just want to make sure that 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:45.280 you don't upset him. And you say, we're surrounding you 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:48.200 with people that we think will make us stronger. But 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:50.640 I would absolutely do a drive by with him. 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I don't know how many fans 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:01.400 are going going to be able to go in there, 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.160 but I like the idea if you're going to be 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:07.000 able to go into one place, and if you had 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.880 other arenas around that you needed, you could do that 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.640 as well. But we'll talk to Jay Billis. He'll join us. 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.320 Coming up. Mcloven will have a poll question for us. 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:17.680 We hope to hear from Kirk Cousins a little bit 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:21.280 later on as well. Pat Forty, the great college football writer, 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:25.240 on the college coaches who don't get a mulligan based 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:28.440 off what's happened with COVID, and there's some big names 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:31.360 on that list that don't get a mulligan. Yes, Polly, 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:33.640 by the way I saw some details on the buy 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.960 out for Will must Champ at South Carolina. Yea three 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:40.880 hundred thousand dollars a month for fifty months. I'm no 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:43.520 math major, but I think that's about three point two 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:49.320 million a year for four years. So well, good gig. Yeah, yeah, 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:52.800 yeah it is. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.600 Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:58.960 morning nine to noon Eastern or six to nine Pacific 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.640 on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for The 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:04.560 Dan Patrick Show at Fox Sports Radio dot com, or 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.800 stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:11.600 searching f s R, or stream us live on the 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:16.600 Peacock Act. Jay Billis will be working the college draft 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.560 the NBA Draft coming up tomorrow night. I also wanted 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.160 to talk to him about the possibility of bubble izing 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:27.520 the entire NCAA tournament in Indianapolis, and Jay joins us. Now, Jay, 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:30.320 let me start with the draft coming up here. Is 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:36.880 there that true franchise driven player talent wise that you 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:38.880 can go, we can lock in on that guy and 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:43.120 we can build around. Probably not. There are a couple 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:46.840 players that I think may fit that description. One is 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:51.240 Anthony Edwards of Georgia. Although he's not yet a finished product. 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.840 His decision making and defense need to improve. But the 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:58.880 others James Wiseman at Memphis who only played three games 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:00.640 this year before he got in that you know sort 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:03.640 of NC double a issue and then wound up saying 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:05.600 I've just had enough of this. He was supposed to 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:08.000 sit out like twelve games. After playing the first three, 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.000 He's like, I'm not doing this anymore and just walked. 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:12.239 So we didn't get a chance to see him. But 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:17.159 he's still Chris. He's got Chris Bosh type ability, except 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:20.480 he's bigger, seven one and seven six wingspan, all that stuff. 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:24.199 But they're outside of that, Dan, They're a bunch of 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:26.760 really good players and guys it'll be starters in the 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:30.080 league and maybe better. But there's no there aren't any 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:33.720 no brainer picks like we've had in past drafts. I'd 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.760 be fallen in love with somebody. I mean, there are 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:40.040 a bunch of guys I really like, UM like, I 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:43.000 really like Tyrese Halibert and Abayowa State. I really like 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:48.600 Isaac Accoro of Auburn, m you know, guys like that 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:51.879 on Yaka kong Wu of USC I like a lot, 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:55.679 but there's nobody like you were asking. I think initially, 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:59.000 you know, is there anybody there's nobody like Lebron or 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.040 Kyrie or something them. Where do you go? Okay, he's 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:03.639 the number one pick, for sure, will be an All Star, 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:06.960 that kind of thing. But there will be players that 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:09.320 come out. I'm positive there'll be players that come out 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:15.879 of this draft that'll be like Draymond Green or you know, 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:17.800 you name it. I mean a bunch of players that 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:19.639 have been taken further down in the draft that have 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:22.639 turned out to be great, whether it's Clay Thompson. Uh, 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:25.000 they're a whole bunch. We could we could go down 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:27.480 to name a fifteenth pick that we were probably saying 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:29.560 at the time, well, you know, could be a starter 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:33.159 and maybe better. But we weren't. We weren't sure the 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:37.199 reaction to LaMelo Ball. If he's not LaMelo Ball and 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:40.400 he's just another name, do we have a different reaction 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:45.200 to him this high in the draft? Uh? Maybe, I mean, 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:47.520 I know, he drags in some of the stuff with 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:50.120 his dad a little bit. Uh, you know, a little 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.080 bit of baggage there for some people. But my thing 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:57.080 with him, Dan is he's ultra talented as a ball 0:18:57.119 --> 0:19:01.399 handler passer. Um, you know, he's got positional size and 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:04.800 length and all that, but he didn't guard anybody and 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:07.760 he doesn't shoot it, and those are kind of big deals. 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:10.600 And he hasn't finished a season in a long time either, 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:13.840 so he's not had a normal sort of existence for 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:15.800 a player that does. That's not a bad thing, it's 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:18.919 just it's just a data point. Um. But he's one 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:20.679 of those guys that you're going, hey, it could be 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:23.720 could be really good and then but could be less 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:26.359 than that. Um. Like, I don't think he's gonna, you know, 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:29.080 get into the league and not not be a good player. 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:31.240 But but I think if you're gonna go one, two 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:35.520 or three, you have some pretty high expectations. How did 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:39.680 the ball boys not be able to shoot? Yeah, that's 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:41.720 a good question. I mean, you know, I know you're 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:45.280 you've always been a great shooter, and um, but you 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:47.840 know there are there are guys that can't can't shoot, 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:51.680 and you know, Lonzo's guy. My thing has been, why 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:56.680 can't somebody fix their mechanics to the point where, um, 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.600 you know, like if the SHOT's not going in, then 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:01.960 I think you got to you gotta fix the mechanics 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:06.080 like Reggie Miller is like an example of you know, 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.560 you wouldn't have you wouldn't have taught Reggie to shoot 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:11.960 that way. You know, the zelbo out and all that stuff. 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:15.080 It's not classic form. Damn thing went in every time, 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:18.040 so you're not gonna or Jamal Wilkes, like nobody would 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:20.040 have told Jamal Wilkes like you need to wrap it 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:22.440 around your head before you shoot it. But it went 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:25.800 in every time, so you're not messing with that. But 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:27.879 if it doesn't go in, I think you have to 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:30.439 mess with it. And for those guys, ball doesn't go 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:33.520 in enough. And actually Lonzo was a better shooter than LaMelo. 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:37.240 LaMelo's got a lower release and doesn't go in near 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:40.120 the rate that Lonzo's went in. But you got li Angelo, 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:43.840 the other ball brother, who all he does is shoot. 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:46.639 He is a great shot. He has you know, great 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:50.840 range there. It's just kind of baffling that, you know, 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:53.399 the dad who was there when Nay Smith, uh, you know, 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:56.560 put up the basket the peach basket, didn't teach his 0:20:56.640 --> 0:21:01.159 kids how to shoot, you know, just a normal jump shot. Yeah, 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:03.040 it's not just on him. I think it's on the 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:07.119 game I don't know, like it's almost like it's almost 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:10.439 like shooting was like the golf swing used to be 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:12.320 years ago, where he didn't mess with it. You know 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:16.239 that it was something that you left alone and just 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:19.880 more repetition and I'll get better, But I do think 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:23.760 there's a mechanics thing to it, but especially if it 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:25.680 doesn't go in. I mean, the best shooting coach I've 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:27.760 ever been around is Chip England, who happened to be 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:30.119 a teammate of mine that duke my freshman year. He 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:33.240 was a senior and just got a great way about 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:36.959 him of teaching teaching shooting. But there aren't a lot 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:39.600 of guys that feel comfortable out there teaching it, and 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:43.680 that that's unfortunate, especially the lower levels. Minnesota's got the 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:47.040 number one. Does Minnesota keep the number one pick? I 0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:50.400 don't know. I mean, there's gonna be seems like there's 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:52.480 going to be more trade activity in this draft, but 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:54.560 you know, you've been through this drill more than me. 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:57.040 You know, you always hear about how many trades they're 0:21:57.040 --> 0:21:58.680 going to be, and then there there aren't a ton 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:01.399 on Draft Ay and other other years you don't hear 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:03.919 as much and there are a bunch of trades, so 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:06.840 h you know, look, unless you're in love with somebody, 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:09.480 it makes sense to trade back. But it's it's only 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:11.159 if you can get who you want, and then what 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:12.960 are you going to get in exchange for the pick? 0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:15.640 My sense is in this year's draft, if you've got 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:19.880 the number one pick, you you you use it and 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:22.600 if like you know, I don't know if they if 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:27.240 the Timberwolves like um Anthony Edwards or James Wise, mer 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:29.360 LaMelo Ball, whatever it is, but it seems like that 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:32.359 there's a consensus that those are the top three picks. 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:35.639 What order they going, We'll see, But I think I 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:39.720 think Edwards is the best overall prospect. With his skill level, 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:43.719 his body, his athleticism, he has the chance to be 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:45.720 the best player. Doesn't mean he will be, but he 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:48.200 has the chance to be. Yeah. I saw an interview 0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:51.439 with him yesterday on ESPN, and I really just he 0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:54.800 sounded mature, He sounded like he was ready for this, 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:57.639 this big move. We're talking to Jay Billis, ESPN college 0:22:57.640 --> 0:23:00.359 basketball analyst. What did you make of the possible ability 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:05.480 of bubbleizing March Madness in Indianapolis? Smart move. I think 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:08.920 it's the only way in the current climate that we're 0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:11.879 facing that we're going to get an NCAA tournament in 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:14.680 you know you have if you're going to try to 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:18.200 get a tournament thirteen different venues from the first four 0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:20.679 to the first round, to the Elite eight to the 0:23:20.720 --> 0:23:24.080 final four in Indianapolis, it's not going to work. And 0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:28.200 I think Danny Gavitt and the tournament committee realized that 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:31.719 and they decided to make the adjustment now so they 0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:34.520 didn't have to make it later. And it's a smart move. 0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:37.840 And look, I think a lot of people might feel 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:40.840 like I would jump all over this and say, see 0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:45.120 their pros, this is not the time for that. They're 0:23:45.160 --> 0:23:47.560 pros anyway, so it doesn't matter whether they play in 0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:50.800 bubbles or not. But you'll remember at the beginning of 0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:53.399 the pandemic, when we were talking about all this stuff 0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:56.199 that you had a lot of administrators saying, hey, no 0:23:56.320 --> 0:23:58.920 students on campus, no college sports. Well, they backed off 0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:02.320 that in a hurry, and then they were saying, well, 0:24:02.160 --> 0:24:04.840 we can't have bubbles. These are amateurs. They backed off 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:06.359 that in hurry. We're going to start the season in 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:08.879 a bubble at the Mohegan Sun. We're going to end 0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:10.960 it in as close to a bubble as you can 0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:13.880 get in Indianapolis with the at least I think it'll 0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:16.960 be in Indiapolis. That's the initial indication for the NC 0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:21.080 Double A Tournament. It's just smart business, like basketball needs 0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:25.840 to have a season this year. It's really kind of 0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:28.919 an existential issue for the NC DOABLEA. That's the only 0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:31.960 revenue they have is the ncable A Tournament. If there's 0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:35.160 not a tournament, the NC Double A is in trouble 0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:38.600 after this season. If we have a tournament, I think 0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:40.879 we get through this and everything's fine. If we don't, 0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:46.919 two years of no revenue and there's a real existential problem. 0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:50.120 So I'm glad they're doing it this way, and I'm 0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:54.040 glad we're moving toward it. And oddly enough, Dan, right now, 0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:57.399 the students going home on almost every campus across the 0:24:57.440 --> 0:24:59.840 country going home like this week, next week, whatever it 0:24:59.880 --> 0:25:03.119 is for Thanksgiving, and they're not coming back. That's the 0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:05.080 best chance we have to get a basketball season in 0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:07.560 because the teams are going to be essentially isolated and 0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:10.800 quarantined on their own campus with no other students, And 0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:13.160 that's the best chance we have. Yeah, I wondered if 0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:16.240 the Pac twelve would have waited till Thanksgiving to start 0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:19.200 their football season with everybody gone. And then you try 0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:21.919 to do it like that or the Big Ten. You know, 0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:23.520 you want to be in the Final four, you want 0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:25.080 to go to a bowl game, but you do want 0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:27.639 to get this season in Pac twelve, probably not going 0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:30.399 to get their season in the Big Ten. Stumbled a 0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:32.359 little bit here, but I do agree with you. Once 0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:35.840 the students go home, you're basically bubble izing your basketball 0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:38.000 team as well. Let me go back to what you 0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:41.600 said about the NCAA. If they don't have March Madness 0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:44.159 over a two year period, what do you think happens 0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:47.880 to the NCAA. Well, it's going to be I think 0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:49.399 there will be a lot of change. I mean, you 0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:51.960 don't have money. It's going to be hard to operate 0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:54.879 on the same level, and hard to keep employees and 0:25:54.920 --> 0:25:56.920 all that other stuff. And I think they just lose 0:25:57.000 --> 0:26:00.520 their grip and college basketball gets to finished. I don't 0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:03.119 think there's any question about that. Now. Is it going 0:26:03.200 --> 0:26:06.280 to go It's not going to go away. But without 0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:08.440 the revenue, I mean, there are going to be so 0:26:08.480 --> 0:26:11.480 many things, so many dominoes that fall in a negative direction. 0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:16.040 I think it gets diminished. And look, I think it's 0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:18.560 going to be diminished going forward a little bit anyway, 0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:21.720 But I think it's I think there's going to be 0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:26.239 a loosening of the grip on college sports and the 0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:29.119 conferences start taking over and we see some changes that 0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:32.199 we wouldn't have anticipated otherwise. Yeah, I still think that 0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:35.920 the Power five it's just going to grab college football. 0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:39.280 They own, they own college football. NC Double A doesn't, 0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:41.840 and you just seceed from the union. I don't know 0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:44.600 if you see the Power five conferences in college basketball 0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:47.080 doing the same. We do love the underdog, We embrace 0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:50.120 the underdog. The underdog gets a chance. In college football, 0:26:50.160 --> 0:26:54.520 the underdog does not. Yeah, I think there's still a 0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:57.280 reluctance to go away from the current NC Double A 0:26:57.359 --> 0:27:00.760 tournament model. That's a big part of keeping everything together. 0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:03.199 And look, there are a lot of the old timers 0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:06.520 like us frankly, but but guys, we know from back 0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:09.720 in the day that when in nineteen eighty four, when 0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:14.520 there was the Supreme Court case, you know, Oklahoma Border 0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:19.959 Region's case that took basically took football away from the 0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:23.479 NC DOUBLEA. The NAA used to tell in their infinite 0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:26.280 Wisdom used to tell schools how often they could be 0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:29.359 on television because they thought that they were protecting the gate, 0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:31.760 like the number of spectators that would come to a game. 0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:34.280 They thought that's where all the money was. They didn't 0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:38.320 realize that the money is in television. So, you know, 0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:41.159 that's when the CFA started the College Football Association and 0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:44.119 started negotiating TV contracts and all that. There are a 0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:46.480 lot of people that thought it would have been better 0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:49.679 if if they took football and basketball away from the 0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:52.760 NC DOUBLEA and we wouldn't have all the ridiculous issues 0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:55.800 that we have now. I don't know that I agree 0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:59.800 with that, but but there's a real reluctance to take basketball, 0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:02.520 to take the tournament and mess with it because of 0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:06.320 what you mentioned, sort of the you know, the Cinderella 0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:08.920 aspect of it. I think if they took the tournament, 0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:11.480 the Power five just took the tournament and started their 0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:13.520 own tournament. They just started their own tournament. They can 0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:16.480 invite whoever they wanted, But we're going to get to 0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:18.600 a point where the Power five's only going to play 0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:20.720 each other. They're only going to play each other in football, 0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:24.399 and someday they're only going to play each other in basketball, 0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:27.959 because the fans have spoken they don't want to watch 0:28:28.800 --> 0:28:33.880 these early season you know, home game versus directional school stuff. 0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:36.160 They don't go to the games, they don't watch them 0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:38.760 on TV like they used to. They're not consuming them 0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:41.160 the same way they want to watch big shots against 0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:43.320 big shots. And then we'll leave the Cinderella stuff for 0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:46.120 the tournament at the end. Would you want Mark Emirate's 0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:48.920 job as the head of the NCAA. I get asked 0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:50.800 that a lot because I'm so critical of the NC 0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:54.560 double A at times, not all the time. When they 0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:57.920 do a good job, I say so, but and I 0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:01.040 joke about it. But I've served on nc double A 0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:03.040 committees in the past, both when I was in college 0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:06.360 and now. I've always said that I'll help. If there's 0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:08.400 ever a chance I can really help, I'll do it. 0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:12.080 But the one thing I know is because of my 0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:14.720 views on amateurism, I don't have to worry about ever 0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:17.080 being asked to do anything by the inside of the way, 0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:20.120 like even even the stuff they're doing now with name 0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:23.200 image and like this, like there's such ridiculous baby steps. 0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:26.800 You're gonna come on, man, let's just do this I mean, 0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:29.960 why are we taking baby steps on this stuff? It's over. 0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:33.760 You know, you have admitted that they're pros by just 0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:37.520 approaching the subject of name, image and like this, let's 0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:39.720 go and get it over with and they won't pull 0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:41.720 the band aid off and just do it. Were you 0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:45.560 a student athlete at Duke or an athletic student at Duke? 0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:52.000 I was neither, Like I look at it. Here's the 0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:54.360 way I look at it. When I was playing, I 0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:57.040 was a player, and when I was in class I 0:29:57.080 --> 0:29:59.560 was a student. And I don't I don't think there's 0:29:59.560 --> 0:30:01.840 anything wrong with that. We don't. We don't ask anybody 0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:04.640 else what their priorities are. You know, there's no other 0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:08.320 student that you go, okay, now, is academics your first priority? 0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:10.400 Or are you here for being a musician or are 0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:12.840 you spending more time in the Greek system or like 0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:15.400 what are your priorities? You know? It's kind of like saying, 0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:18.960 are you a broadcaster? Husband and father? Are you a 0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:22.120 husband and father broadcaster? Like what's more important to you? Dan? 0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:25.280 Like these are questions that we only ask of athletes. 0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:30.280 I'm a broadcaster first, Jay, what's that? I'm a broadcaster first? Yeah? Yeah, 0:30:30.280 --> 0:30:36.480 a nominated broadcaster. Yes, not don't win, but we get nominated. Yeah. 0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:39.960 Jerry Seinfeld had a great, great quote about that and 0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:45.200 comedians in cars getting coffee. He said, like, apparently Seinfeld, 0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:48.640 the number one show didn't win any Emmy's as a show, 0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:51.280 or maybe only one one over that run that they had. 0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:53.880 And his thing was, who cares he goes? He goes 0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:56.480 the job as the award. And I was like, that's 0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:58.280 pretty damn cool. I should have thought of that, the 0:30:58.400 --> 0:31:02.360 job as the award. No, it's not. The job is 0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:06.959 the job. The award is the award. But but you know, 0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:09.080 you have to give yourself some credit, and I give 0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:12.560 myself a lot of credit acting like when somebody else 0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:15.840 wins and we're clapping, acting like we're legitimately happy for 0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:18.400 the winner. There is an art to that, kay, because 0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:21.440 every year when Bob cost Us would win, I had 0:31:21.480 --> 0:31:26.000 to act like, um, I'm a little surprised, but not 0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:29.000 that surprised. You know, you go oh oh yeah, and 0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:33.040 then you know that somebody's watching you. And then I 0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:36.480 used to start clapping when they were opening the envelope, 0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:38.640 like I just wanted to get ahead of this that Hey, 0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:41.960 ad Dan Patrick's a team. Yeah, Bob cost is one 0:31:41.960 --> 0:31:47.040 of other damn whatever sports jamming. Yeah, it's it's an art. 0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:49.760 That's an art. It's acting is what that is. Jay, 0:31:51.800 --> 0:31:55.240 And that should be an award to the best performance 0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:59.960 by a looser. And the winner is once again, Dan Patrick. 0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:03.600 Have fun tomorrow night, there, Jay, great to talk to 0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:06.160 you is always thank you for your insights. It's never 0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:10.000 as much fun without you. There. Oh, I know, but 0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:12.920 I'm not coming back to the mothership Jay. Well, I 0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:16.560 could come to you. Oh whoa, let me see who 0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:18.160 do I I'd have to get rid of. This would 0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:20.360 be like a James Harden situation. I'd have to get 0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:23.880 rid of probably three dan Ets. Oh I'm worth more 0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:29.600 than three dant Thank you, Jay, Good luck tomorrow night. 0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:34.280 Thank you. That's j billis ESPN College Basketball Analys. Be 0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:36.800 sure to catch the live edition of The Dan Patrick 0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:40.400 Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific on 0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:44.920 Fox Sports Radio and the iHeart Radio app. He's Pat 0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:49.080 forty Sports Illustrated writer covers college basketball. In college football, 0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:52.120 where do we stand with the SEC? This weekend, pen 0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:57.200 Well one game down Texas A and M is not playing, 0:32:57.280 --> 0:33:01.400 which becomes increasingly problematic for them if they hopefully they 0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:03.840 can reschedule because they're a playoff contender and this would 0:33:03.840 --> 0:33:06.720 be two games that they haven't played so far, maybe 0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:10.080 they can get them both in. Everywhere else is kind 0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:13.880 of like hold your breath and see. You know, usually Dan, 0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:16.040 if you have a one week problem, it's a two 0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:19.920 week problem. So we'll see if any of these other 0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:22.760 games are going to get canceled after four of them 0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:26.040 last week. But you know, so far that's the only 0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:29.680 one that's been announced, and how many games we see 0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:31.880 in the Big Ten and that if you missed two games, 0:33:31.880 --> 0:33:33.440 then you're not going to be able to qualify for 0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:36.600 the Big Ten Championship, I believe. But you know, the 0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:39.560 SEC built in a little bit of breathing space. But 0:33:40.000 --> 0:33:42.600 you know, how much breathing space do you have before 0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:46.480 a game actually gets canceled not postponed. Yeah, we're running 0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:48.200 out of it for sure. There's going to be some 0:33:48.240 --> 0:33:52.000 teams that probably will not play the full complement of games. 0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:55.200 What they've been looking at with some of them is 0:33:55.200 --> 0:33:57.920 trying to schedule them on December nineteenth, which is the 0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:00.959 date of the SEC Championship. But they you know, if 0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:03.320 you're not playing in that you could still play a 0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:06.600 game like for now, I think they are looking at 0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:10.040 Georgia at Missouri on December nineteenth, in a game that, boy, 0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:12.839 the Bulldogs should just be rife with motivation for because 0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:16.719 they'd be out of championship contention, out of playoff contention, 0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:19.120 and get to go play in the coldest town in 0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:21.600 the SEC in a game that doesn't matter at all. 0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:26.120 Are we headed for Florida Alabama SEC title game? Yeah, 0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:29.520 I think it's almost inevitable at this point. Like Florida, 0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:31.400 both teams would really have to screw it up. They 0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:37.400 would They'd have to lose twice, most likely because you know, 0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:39.800 they won the head to head against their their closest 0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:44.320 pursuer Alabama blue out Texas at AM Florida blue out Georgia, 0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:46.719 so they would have to lose twice. So yeah, we're 0:34:46.719 --> 0:34:49.959 looking at that, and basically I think that's winner gets 0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:53.560 into the playoff and possibly even loser gets in if Florida. 0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:56.800 If Alabama's undefeated, Florida has what loss in Florida wins, 0:34:57.200 --> 0:34:59.200 I think there's a chance they both go. And I 0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:02.160 don't know if the high comes down to Florida Alabama 0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:06.200 for the SEC title with Kyle Trask and Mac Jones. 0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:10.880 That could it hinge on that. It's entirely possible. You know, 0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:13.320 we'll see where things stand with the rest of the country, 0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:16.839 where Trevor Lawrence is, where Justin Fields is, and even 0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:20.040 more Zach Wilson from BYU is. But yeah, that would 0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:23.719 be that game figures to be a crazy shootout. If 0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:26.239 it's Alabama Florida, you know that that's not going to 0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:30.560 be Pat Dye against Bear Bryant, SEC. That's gonna be 0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:33.840 like forty nine to forty two. So that would be 0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:36.719 a big showcase game for those two quarterbacks. I don't 0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:39.560 know if I'm overstating this, but you know, Jeans Chiswick 0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:42.799 got that one year honeymoon in Auburn when he won 0:35:42.800 --> 0:35:45.839 a national title. Is ed Orgeron in that one year 0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:49.239 honeymoon period. Is he on a warm seat at all 0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:53.120 at LSU. Well, there's there's definitely some similarities there in 0:35:53.200 --> 0:35:56.640 terms of like the precipitous drop off. I think he 0:35:56.680 --> 0:35:59.279 has recruited too well to for this to be a 0:35:59.360 --> 0:36:02.840 long term situation. You know, they should bounce back, but 0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:06.160 they are really bad this year and they've got a 0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:09.080 lot of other stuff going on there. Obviously, they've they've 0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:12.719 got an NCUBA investigation that includes football, not necessarily for 0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:15.040 anything that happened while the Orgeron was the head coach, 0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:19.280 but they've got that. And then you know, the USA 0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:22.680 Today report this week was very disturbing about the number 0:36:22.719 --> 0:36:27.239 of you know, alleged sexual assaults and other incidents regarding 0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:29.560 women there that some of which in ball football players. 0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:33.040 So things are definitely not trending the right direction for 0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:36.759 at Orgeron. Laughter the year when every single thing went right. 0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:40.840 He's Pat forty Sports Illustrated writer covering college basketball college football, 0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:44.200 had a column yesterday where you're not giving mulligans to 0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:47.320 some of these coaches based off what's going on with COVID. 0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:52.640 Run down the list of those coaches who don't get mulligans. Yeah, 0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:56.560 obviously Will must Champshire didn't. He's out, And even if 0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:59.480 it's going to cost South Carolina thirteen million dollars for 0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:03.960 him to leave, Jim Harbaugh is not getting a mulligan. Now. 0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:06.480 Is he gonna get fired? No, but you know, are 0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:09.880 the chances very strong that he and Michigan both just 0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:11.880 look at each other and say, yeah, we tried, but 0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:15.200 it's time to move on. Yeah, I think that's that's 0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:19.959 likely to happen. James Franklin does get a mulligan. We'll 0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:22.600 see about Clay Helton at USC, right. I mean they're 0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:24.400 two and oh, but they're the luckiest two and oh 0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:27.440 in the country, so I don't know, you know, what 0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:31.200 his chances are there. I'm trying to think who else 0:37:31.280 --> 0:37:36.680 I had on the list here. But you know, obviously 0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:42.200 the mulligan aspect comes into play because to do people 0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:43.799 want to pony up that kind of money when they're 0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:46.560 losing that much money, and so some coaches have gotten, 0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:49.760 you know, a pass. I think on having bad seasons 0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:53.840 this year. If Indiana beats Ohio State this weekend, what 0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:58.440 level of upset is that. I think it's pretty dark major. 0:37:58.600 --> 0:38:01.360 And that's not to say the Indiana isn't good. I 0:38:01.400 --> 0:38:03.400 mean they are. They're four now and they're legit. This 0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:06.200 is their defense is playing better than anytime in the 0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:09.279 twenty first century. Michael Pennox is a great quarterback, their 0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:13.399 receivers are outstanding. But still across the board, they don't 0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:17.000 have Ohio States talent, they don't have Ohio States experience. 0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:21.920 In these situations, there's just nothing from a you know, 0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:26.160 thirty five thousand foot view, there's no reason for Indiana 0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:31.399 football to walk into Columbus and beat Ohio State. So 0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:33.440 it would be it would be a major upset. It 0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:37.840 would be a complete upheaval of Big ten hierarchy and orthodoxy. 0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:40.680 I don't think it'll happen, but they can stay in 0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:43.839 the game with him. Yeah, Vegas has him twenty one 0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:46.440 point underdogs. We'll talk to Indiana's head coach on the 0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:51.720 program tomorrow. NCAA looking into bubble izing the entire march 0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:56.040 madness in Indianapolis. Your initial thoughts, I like it. I 0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:57.800 think it's a good idea. I think it's a good solution. 0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:01.120 You know, it's a great national tournament coast to coast, 0:39:01.160 --> 0:39:04.680 but let's be real about the circumstances here. And I 0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:06.920 think if you if you feel like this is the 0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:09.359 best way to get the tournament done, you do it. 0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:12.480 And India is the perfect place for it. I mean 0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:16.560 it's not only NCUBA headquarters, but it's a basketball city. 0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:21.040 It's a really centralized downtown. It's they've got tons of 0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:24.120 venues to use, whether it's high school gyms, I've got 0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:25.920 you know, most of the biggest high school gyms in 0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:28.080 the country, or whether you expand a little bit and 0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:30.760 go down to Assembly Hall or over to Mackey Arena. 0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:33.879 You know, depending how big they're radius, they want for this. 0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:37.279 But you know, the bigger issue for the NC Double 0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:40.320 is just getting there, getting the seasons started. It's difficult 0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:43.719 having some of these events has been proven to be 0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:46.359 really complicated and arduous, and so we'll see how many 0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:48.719 games they could even get in getting this thing off 0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:52.200 the ground before we get to having a tournament at 0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:54.200 the end. Well, I think that these schools are going 0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:56.719 to be helped out once Thanksgiving roles around and all 0:39:56.719 --> 0:40:00.640 the students leave campus and then basically you're bubbleizing basketball 0:40:00.680 --> 0:40:03.319 team on campus. I think that that will help. The 0:40:03.400 --> 0:40:06.560 question is when you travel, you know, are you going 0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:09.359 into a campus where nobody is on campus there or 0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:11.560 how are you able to schedule these games? But I 0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:14.160 think keeping your team safe will be a whole lot 0:40:14.200 --> 0:40:17.239 easier in the next week or so, no doubt about it. 0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:19.880 If you if you talk to coaches, either football or basketball, 0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:21.880 they're like, please just let us get to this point. 0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:25.360 Where as weird as it sounds, please let us have 0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:29.239 a deserted campus with just our our athletes here, you know, 0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:31.759 and get all these regular students out of college. But 0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:34.200 that's what they all want for that very reason. To 0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:37.960 socializing ends the you know, the parties are reduced and 0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:42.719 you're not traveling into other places where you're going into 0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:46.520 a forty thousand student campus. Safe travels, Pad. As always, 0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:49.800 we appreciate your time. Thanks for joining us. Hey, my pleasure. 0:40:49.800 --> 0:40:52.640 Thank you. Dan. That's Pad forty sports illustrated writer covering 0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:56.120 college basketball and football. Thanks for listening to The Dan 0:40:56.160 --> 0:40:58.960 Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every 0:40:58.960 --> 0:41:02.000 weekday morning nine till noon eastern six to nine Pacific 0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:04.480 on Fox Sports Radio, and you can find us on 0:41:04.520 --> 0:41:08.719 the iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream us live on 0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:12.879 the Peacock app. Kirk d Cousins the Vikings quarterback last 0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:15.400 night through for two hundred ninety two yards, two touchdowns, 0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:19.839 one interception. By the way, that that interception should not count, Kirk, 0:41:20.280 --> 0:41:22.960 because that's not your fault. We want to come up 0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:26.480 with a new stat. Okay, and Paula, you want to 0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:29.640 give Kirk the stat? Yeah, a new stat to protect quarterbacks. 0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:34.480 It's called RCI Receiver complete you know, caused the interception RCI. 0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:37.759 What do you think, RCI? And because that's not your 0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:41.120 fault for that interception? Yeah, you know, you just hope 0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:43.520 that people have a trained eye and understand that as 0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:46.480 they evaluate, and usually the people inside the league do, 0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:49.400 but outside the league not so much. But that's okay. 0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:52.080 Will you endorse our CI if we come up with 0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:56.799 a new stat for quarterbacks receiver caused interception, I will 0:41:56.840 --> 0:42:00.919 throw my full weight backing behind it. Yeah. What time 0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:03.239 did you get home last night? I got to my 0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:06.480 house at three am and I probably fell asleep about 0:42:06.560 --> 0:42:09.759 three fifteen three thirty. Have you seen the kids central time? 0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:12.759 Have you seen the kids this morning? Uh? No, they 0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:16.600 headed off to run some errands with with mom, and 0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:19.560 uh I slept in until about an hour ago and 0:42:19.600 --> 0:42:22.920 then got up and wanted to join you. Well, what happens, 0:42:23.200 --> 0:42:26.120 you know, when do you get interrogated by the family 0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:30.680 on after a game? Uh? That's a good question. You 0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:33.160 know a lot of text messages last night late. I 0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:34.759 try to respond to as many as I can and 0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:38.319 then um, uh, you know, my wife when I get home, 0:42:38.360 --> 0:42:40.439 she wakes up and she wants to talk about the game, 0:42:40.480 --> 0:42:43.040 and then uh, you know, I'll probably get a few today, 0:42:43.080 --> 0:42:47.040 but uh, yeah, the interrogation usually happens right away. How 0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:49.279 do you explain this that you don't win on Monday night? 0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:52.279 You haven't won on Monday night? You know it is 0:42:52.320 --> 0:42:54.960 it is statistically just a kind of a unique thing 0:42:55.040 --> 0:42:57.520 because you look back and and uh, you know, I've 0:42:57.520 --> 0:43:00.560 played well in a lot of those games. Um, but 0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:02.920 you know, for whatever reason, we just didn't get to 0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:06.680 win in nine of them, nine straight. So great to 0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:08.520 get to win last night. But you know the nature 0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:10.479 of miny night football and a lot of primetime games 0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:12.560 as you're playing really good football teams. You know, a 0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:14.440 few of those years we were playing teams that either 0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:16.640 ended up in the Super Bowl or won the Super Bowl. 0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:19.759 So you know, going into those games, it's not like 0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:22.160 we were favored to win or win in a blowout, 0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:25.080 and so it was just good to get that one 0:43:25.160 --> 0:43:28.280 last night, for sure. What is the development with Dalvin 0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:31.320 Cook that he's sort of taken that next step into 0:43:31.760 --> 0:43:35.400 greatness not a good running back, a great running back. Well, 0:43:35.440 --> 0:43:37.320 I think first of all, he's got a lot of ability. 0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:39.680 I mean, he back in twenty seventeen as a rookie 0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:41.960 before he tore his knee. He was having an outstanding 0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:44.080 year and got off to a great start in eighteen, 0:43:44.160 --> 0:43:46.440 my first year with the Vikings, I think he missed 0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:49.240 like ten games and for the sixth that he was healthy, 0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:52.319 he was really special. And then, uh, you know last year, 0:43:52.440 --> 0:43:54.359 you know, because he stayed healthy all year, was finally 0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:57.680 recognized as an All Pro player this year, just the 0:43:57.719 --> 0:44:00.000 same way I think, you know, Rick Dennison, our old 0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:02.960 line coach, Gary Kubiaker offensive coordinator. I think they're doing 0:44:02.960 --> 0:44:05.279 a really good job, you know, with with how they 0:44:05.280 --> 0:44:07.120 designed the run game week in and week out to 0:44:07.160 --> 0:44:10.160 give him a great opportunity if you can invest in. 0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:13.800 They were stocks, Dalvin Cook or Justin Jefferson. Which stock 0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:19.000 would you invest in? Which one's a little cheaper right now? 0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:21.960 He is? Justin might be a penny stock that you 0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:24.440 can invest in right now. Dalvin's you know, he's like 0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:29.879 Apple or Google. Now Justin's the real deal as well. Um, 0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:32.160 you know, it's so great when you draft a first 0:44:32.200 --> 0:44:33.920 round pick, when you hit on it, you know, you 0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:35.880 never know, you know, you go through the league now 0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:38.080 nine years you know that after the draft you're kind 0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:40.439 of still suspicious of your first, second, third round pick, 0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:43.040 you say, let's just get to OTAs, let's actually see him, 0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:45.120 Let's see him in real ball in preseason games, and 0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:47.960 then we'll decide, you know, if, if, if they're worthy 0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:51.360 of that status. And Justin, uh, you know, certainly is 0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:53.200 shown he was worthy of that first round pick. And 0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:55.080 it makes a big difference for our offense. But why 0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:58.239 is it tougher for receivers? It feels like to be 0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:01.640 able to for them to established themselves where they can 0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:04.319 wash out. I mean, it's it's usually one or the other. 0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:08.399 But what is it about that position in the NFL. Yeah, 0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:10.440 it's tricky to put your finger on because you you 0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:13.279 evaluate the college tape and and you know, you feel 0:45:13.280 --> 0:45:15.000 like you got the guy, and then you still don't 0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:17.960 quite know. I think in the NFL there's so much 0:45:18.000 --> 0:45:21.600 more man coverage. The defensive backs really, you know, are 0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:24.560 really clued into covering you like a glove. And uh, 0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:26.360 you know, in college you may play a lot of 0:45:26.440 --> 0:45:29.200 zone and you know, until you get the NFL, it's 0:45:29.200 --> 0:45:31.480 hard to know if you can really defeat man coverage 0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:33.920 time and again. But um, you know, Justin's just a 0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:37.160 natural receiver. Tracking the football. Catching the football comes naturally 0:45:37.160 --> 0:45:39.160 to him, and he's been really, really good after the catch, 0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:41.400 So I've been thrilled with what he's been able to 0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:43.760 do for us, just as a rookie. It's a rookie 0:45:43.800 --> 0:45:47.759 allowed to tell you they're open in the huddle. Well, 0:45:47.920 --> 0:45:50.359 shame on me if I'm not asking, you know, for me, 0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:53.279 I always want to get feedback. So you know, I'm 0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:55.560 asking the old line, what snap count do you want here? 0:45:55.760 --> 0:45:57.640 Based on how you feel the D line is playing 0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:00.600 receivers tight ends? You know, what routes do you think 0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:02.880 can get you open? What technique are you being played with? 0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:04.520 Do you think you have this route? Do you think 0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:06.399 you have that route? Are you ready for a double move? 0:46:06.960 --> 0:46:09.560 And obviously the Adam Dealins and Justin Jefferson's of the 0:46:09.560 --> 0:46:11.480 world are always open and they're going to always tell 0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:13.640 you what you want to hear. But so you have 0:46:13.680 --> 0:46:15.880 to have a discerning gear. But yeah, I'm always asking, 0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:17.840 hopefully and if not, they'd better be telling me what 0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:19.520 they want and what they think they can do to 0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:22.239 help us explain the snap count because it feels like 0:46:22.320 --> 0:46:24.920 every snap count is the same count where the quarterback 0:46:25.120 --> 0:46:27.719 just like claps his hands or something. We're seeing this 0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:30.160 in college in the pros is there it used to be. 0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:32.719 Now Aaron Rodgers is pretty good at drawing you off, 0:46:33.320 --> 0:46:36.719 But I don't know how many other quarterbacks are you 0:46:36.760 --> 0:46:40.200 going at a different count? Yeah, it's a great question. 0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:42.719 We probably carry a half dozen snap counts a game, 0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:46.359 so whether that's going you know, really quickly, whether that's 0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:48.840 drawn it out, or anything in between, you know, and 0:46:49.000 --> 0:46:52.160 using code words, dummy counts, you know, ways to try 0:46:52.200 --> 0:46:54.959 to one moment, what I say is live, the next 0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:58.080 play what I say is dead. Just trying to keep 0:46:58.120 --> 0:47:00.120 a defense from being able to tee off and in 0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:02.839 their ears back. But yeah, the clap of the hand 0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:06.000 has been a really good technique that's really started in 0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:08.200 college and has made its way to the NFL. And 0:47:08.760 --> 0:47:10.560 you know, it's a great way because you can you 0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:13.000 can bring your hands together and not clap them and 0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:15.239 to the defense it looks like you are and so 0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:17.000 they have to show what they're gonna do. So it's 0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:18.680 a very effective way to snap the ball if you're 0:47:18.680 --> 0:47:22.040 in the shotgun. Lamar Jackson said recently that he was 0:47:22.160 --> 0:47:23.680 playing in a game where he went to the line 0:47:23.680 --> 0:47:26.279 of scrimmage and the defense was basically calling out what 0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:29.240 the play was going to be. How often does that happen? 0:47:29.640 --> 0:47:33.440 Where it happens? Yeah, certainly, certainly, Yeah, it happens. I 0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:36.000 mean you you know, the question is can they still 0:47:36.000 --> 0:47:37.880 stop it? You know there are times where the linebacker'll 0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:40.799 say they're running right here and it's third and two 0:47:40.800 --> 0:47:43.359 and you still get the first down. So uh, you know, 0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:45.200 the ball still has to be snapped and you still 0:47:45.239 --> 0:47:47.640 got to go make the tackle. But yeah, I mean 0:47:47.760 --> 0:47:49.680 teams watch film, they study all week long. I mean, 0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:52.040 that's our full time job. So they're going to guess 0:47:52.120 --> 0:47:55.319 right or have an idea, you know, and you just 0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:57.920 have to hope it's not every play. Do you have 0:47:57.960 --> 0:47:59.879 a tell? Have you been told you have a tell 0:48:00.320 --> 0:48:02.839 with certain you know like pitchers that they'll they'll have 0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:05.920 a tell and hitters right, we'll pick up something. But 0:48:06.040 --> 0:48:08.440 have you ever been told that, hey, you're given this 0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:12.120 away or you do this on running play or passing play. Yeah, 0:48:12.120 --> 0:48:14.600 it's another great question one that I'm kind of always asking, 0:48:14.719 --> 0:48:17.160 Like during training camp and we're practicing against our defense. 0:48:17.200 --> 0:48:19.160 You know, Coach Zimmer, our head coach, is a defensive 0:48:19.520 --> 0:48:22.919 you know, has a defensive background. So I'm always asking them, Hey, 0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:24.600 do I have a tell you know, is there anything 0:48:24.600 --> 0:48:26.520 in my snap count that's given away that the ball 0:48:26.600 --> 0:48:27.920 is not going to be snapped or is going to 0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:31.000 be snapped or anything with you know, my body language 0:48:31.040 --> 0:48:36.120 suggests run pass. So yeah, you're always asking, but I 0:48:36.160 --> 0:48:38.880 haven't gotten a lot of feedback of anything convincing that 0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:40.759 that tells that. Certainly, your opponent is not going to 0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:42.719 tell you if they find one. What is it like 0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:44.920 to go to the line of scrimmage now and you 0:48:44.920 --> 0:48:50.399 can actually hear the opposing team breathing. It's odd, it's 0:48:50.400 --> 0:48:53.480 the world we're living in twenty twenty. But you know, 0:48:53.520 --> 0:48:57.440 I'm calling the play last night and I'm at times 0:48:57.640 --> 0:49:00.480 whispering in the huddle because I don't want to defense 0:49:00.560 --> 0:49:02.600 to hear. I mean, they're standing there five yards away 0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:06.160 just staring at me, and I'm always you know, maybe 0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:07.960 to a fault, but I'm you know, worried they're gonna 0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:10.279 read my lips. I'm worried they're gonna study who I'm 0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:12.400 talking to and say, oh, he's talking to the receiver 0:49:12.440 --> 0:49:14.080 so they're throwing the ball, or he's talking to the 0:49:14.200 --> 0:49:16.920 old line so they're running the ball. So you know, 0:49:16.960 --> 0:49:19.120 I'm always trying to kind of play that game within 0:49:19.200 --> 0:49:22.040 the game, playing and play out. Anybody talks to you 0:49:22.120 --> 0:49:26.040 last night, Kalo Max say anything, Yeah, Bear's uh, you know, 0:49:26.080 --> 0:49:27.680 they talked throughout the game. They played with a a lot 0:49:27.719 --> 0:49:30.359 of energy. They're a good defense. Hicks likes to talk 0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:32.440 a little bit that yeah, yeah, no, he was having 0:49:32.480 --> 0:49:35.439 fun and uh, well wait, how do you know he's 0:49:35.480 --> 0:49:38.600 having fun. He's just got a big smile on his face. 0:49:38.640 --> 0:49:41.800 You know, during TV time outs, he's talking to our team, 0:49:41.840 --> 0:49:46.960 to Dalvin and actually one of our reserve lineman, Brett Jones, 0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:50.000 played with him in college in Canada, so he was saying, 0:49:50.000 --> 0:49:51.719 make sure you say hi to Brett Jones for me. 0:49:51.800 --> 0:49:53.719 So he's just talking the whole game, you know, all 0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:57.200 in good fun. Oh so there's no smack talk that 0:49:57.239 --> 0:49:59.640 goes both ways, you know, I mean it's uh, it 0:49:59.760 --> 0:50:02.040 can get heated too. But at the end of the day, 0:50:02.040 --> 0:50:03.720 you know, when the games that over, you shake hands 0:50:03.719 --> 0:50:05.799 and say, hey, you know you're great players and you're 0:50:05.800 --> 0:50:07.480 a great defense for a reason. And we got to 0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:09.960 see him again in December. So you know, you don't 0:50:09.960 --> 0:50:12.600 want to to, you know, say anything too too strong. 0:50:12.840 --> 0:50:15.440 You're a religious person. You ever said to somebody, hey, 0:50:15.440 --> 0:50:19.360 watch your language on the field. That's a great question. 0:50:19.600 --> 0:50:22.960 Uh No, I don't think I've tried to parent anybody 0:50:22.960 --> 0:50:26.040 on the field, but sometimes, you know, if I feel it, guys, 0:50:26.080 --> 0:50:27.680 you know, not getting back to the huddle. That's really 0:50:27.719 --> 0:50:30.440 what I get paranoid about. Is you know, I got 0:50:30.480 --> 0:50:32.480 a play clock to operate with. I only got forty 0:50:32.480 --> 0:50:34.239 seconds to call the play. So if you're gonna go, 0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:36.640 you know, chatter with a player not getting the huddle, 0:50:36.680 --> 0:50:38.279 I can't call the play. That gives me less time 0:50:38.280 --> 0:50:40.960 at the line of scrimmage. So I scolded Dalvin one 0:50:40.960 --> 0:50:43.160 time last night for not getting in the huddle fast enough. 0:50:44.160 --> 0:50:45.960 But I could see that where somebody's gonna say, I'm 0:50:46.000 --> 0:50:48.359 gonna rip you're bleeping the head off, and and you say, hey, 0:50:48.560 --> 0:50:54.160 clean up. Yeah that's yeah, yeah, I'm sure that's gonna go. Boy, 0:50:54.200 --> 0:50:56.279 that's great trash talking. What did he say to you? 0:50:56.560 --> 0:50:59.239 He said that's not nice. Yeah, you don't want to 0:50:59.320 --> 0:51:01.719 let him, you know, see them getting your head at all. 0:51:01.800 --> 0:51:04.680 So you uh, you just say you know nothing, or 0:51:05.120 --> 0:51:07.719 or just kind of smile and wave, I know you 0:51:07.800 --> 0:51:10.319 got Did you have your breakfast cereal today. You got 0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:13.520 your cereal that you're yeah, yeah, I didn't have it 0:51:13.560 --> 0:51:16.239 this morning. 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Did the Bucks do enough yesterday to keep 0:52:31.480 --> 0:52:37.640 Jannis long term? I don't know Dan if that question 0:52:38.040 --> 0:52:43.480 has been answered yet, but they certainly made that team better, 0:52:43.640 --> 0:52:49.279 and that was a directive from ownership from Jannis. They 0:52:49.360 --> 0:52:51.920 knew they weren't good enough. They've been a very very 0:52:51.920 --> 0:52:55.279 good regular season team. They have not shown they've been 0:52:55.320 --> 0:52:58.400 built for the playoffs. They those are two impactful players. 0:52:58.400 --> 0:53:02.120 In Drew Holiday in bad Yanovic, I would say this 0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:06.680 about janis when players come to this crossroad about staying 0:53:06.760 --> 0:53:10.160 or going, signing or leaving, and generally, in my experience, 0:53:11.000 --> 0:53:13.080 there are guys who are looking for reasons to leave, 0:53:13.200 --> 0:53:15.640 and there are guys who are looking for reasons to stay. 0:53:15.680 --> 0:53:19.720 And I believed all along Jannis has been a player 0:53:19.719 --> 0:53:22.000 who has been looking for reasons to stay. You look 0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:27.440 at his life and how just I think the things 0:53:27.440 --> 0:53:30.120 that are important to him. Loyalty is a big part 0:53:30.120 --> 0:53:33.160 of it and feeling people did right by him. That's 0:53:33.160 --> 0:53:37.160 a theme throughout his entire life. So I there certainly 0:53:37.239 --> 0:53:40.040 was a lot of enthusiasm within the Bucks last night 0:53:40.040 --> 0:53:43.000 into this morning. They're excited not just that it makes 0:53:43.000 --> 0:53:46.600 a team better, but that they've given Yannis, given Yannis 0:53:46.600 --> 0:53:50.399 reasons to want to stay. I think there's a high 0:53:50.400 --> 0:53:54.040 confidence level that they put themselves in position. But he 0:53:54.160 --> 0:53:57.520 still has to sign that contract. So this podcast is 0:53:57.520 --> 0:54:00.520 called the Jannis Draft. It's based on the events leading 0:54:00.560 --> 0:54:03.359 up to the twenty thirteen NBA Draft. When I go back, 0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:06.480 I'm still shocked that the Dallas Mavericks didn't end up 0:54:06.480 --> 0:54:10.680 with Jannis because Donnie Nelson is always so good at 0:54:10.760 --> 0:54:15.480 finding these players overseas. How did Milwaukee? Did Milwaukee just 0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:20.960 stumble into Jannis? Milwaukee did not stumble into them. They 0:54:21.000 --> 0:54:24.200 had scouted him extensively. John Hammond Jeff Waltman, who was 0:54:24.280 --> 0:54:26.440 their front office at the time, went to see him. 0:54:26.880 --> 0:54:30.560 They were at fifteen. The team that had essentially shut 0:54:30.600 --> 0:54:36.520 down the draft process with his agent, Alex Ratzis was Atlanta, 0:54:36.840 --> 0:54:39.400 and they had picks going into draft. They ended up 0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:41.719 with sixteen and seventeen. They had brought him in for 0:54:41.760 --> 0:54:44.600 a visit. They snuck him into Atlanta right before he 0:54:44.680 --> 0:54:47.640 went to New York for the draft, but Milwaukee was 0:54:47.680 --> 0:54:49.960 a spot ahead of them. But Dallas is interesting because 0:54:50.360 --> 0:54:54.080 Donnie Nelson has such a history with international players, going 0:54:54.120 --> 0:54:57.040 back to Dirk and the Lithuanian national team and obviously 0:54:57.480 --> 0:55:01.600 driving Force and bringing Don Chech to He loved the Honis. 0:55:01.600 --> 0:55:04.680 In fact, Mike Procopio, who's in the podcast, was in 0:55:04.719 --> 0:55:09.080 that room, their draft room that night. He remembers Donnie 0:55:09.080 --> 0:55:12.439 Nelson comparing the Honis. He reminded him of doctor Jay. 0:55:12.560 --> 0:55:14.680 That was the name he used in the draft room 0:55:14.719 --> 0:55:19.960 that night. But at the time, Mark Cuban and the organization, 0:55:20.040 --> 0:55:23.560 they were determined to get Dwight Howard in free agency. 0:55:23.600 --> 0:55:25.759 He was the big free agent. They were trying to 0:55:25.800 --> 0:55:28.200 create more cap space, and by moving down in the draft, 0:55:28.560 --> 0:55:32.880 they were able to create more space. And they're another 0:55:33.160 --> 0:55:36.719 team that in the honest Draft in the story, you know, 0:55:36.840 --> 0:55:39.960 lives with the regret of passing on, you know, a 0:55:40.000 --> 0:55:44.520 generational player in what was one of the worst drafts 0:55:44.560 --> 0:55:48.080 in recent history. Remember Anthony Bennett went number one in 0:55:48.160 --> 0:55:52.240 that draft. Oh boy, I saw a tweet this morning 0:55:52.280 --> 0:55:55.520 and it says that Harden wants the Nets, but Kyrie 0:55:55.600 --> 0:55:59.399 doesn't want James Harden. Separate fact from fiction here. First 0:55:59.400 --> 0:56:02.239 of all, is Harden actively trying to get out of 0:56:02.320 --> 0:56:05.800 Houston and is Brooklyn the only destination? If that's true, 0:56:07.200 --> 0:56:10.120 Harden is actively trying to get out of Houston to 0:56:10.320 --> 0:56:13.120 go to Brooklyn. His focus right now is on one team, 0:56:13.760 --> 0:56:17.840 that's the Nets. That's not my reporting, certainly on the 0:56:18.080 --> 0:56:21.759 Kyrie piece. I don't have information that he's not on 0:56:21.840 --> 0:56:25.040 board with this. I certainly know Kevin Durant is very 0:56:25.200 --> 0:56:30.520 enthusiastic about it. The two teams have been in contact 0:56:31.160 --> 0:56:34.480 Brooklyn and Houston, but I'm told there hasn't been any 0:56:34.480 --> 0:56:39.760 real substantive talk about a trade. Remember the Rockets, because 0:56:39.920 --> 0:56:43.640 Harden has two years left on his deal, they have 0:56:43.719 --> 0:56:45.799 some time on their side. They don't have to rush 0:56:45.840 --> 0:56:50.319 into anything different than the Anthony Davis situation in New 0:56:50.440 --> 0:56:52.440 Orleans when he was in the final year of his contract, 0:56:52.520 --> 0:56:55.920 when he was able to ultimately push the trade to 0:56:56.360 --> 0:57:02.160 the Lakers. How does this work in Brooklyn? Well, I 0:57:02.200 --> 0:57:07.399 think the question there's two questions here. How hell bent 0:57:07.880 --> 0:57:11.000 is Harden on getting there? Will he It's easy when 0:57:11.040 --> 0:57:12.920 you're in the offseason, you're not in training camp, you're 0:57:12.920 --> 0:57:15.799 not playing games to live with this hanging over you. 0:57:15.880 --> 0:57:17.880 It's different when your players coming to work every day. 0:57:18.120 --> 0:57:20.720 You saw that in Minnesota with Jimmy Butler. Jimmy made 0:57:20.760 --> 0:57:23.240 it hard for everybody to exist. It couldn't go on 0:57:23.320 --> 0:57:25.960 forever like that. I don't know that that's how James 0:57:25.960 --> 0:57:29.480 will approach this. Those are different personalities, different people, but 0:57:29.600 --> 0:57:32.520 also from Brooklyn. They don't have to have James Harden, 0:57:32.800 --> 0:57:38.480 and I Sean Marks's track record as an executive, I 0:57:38.720 --> 0:57:42.800 don't I think he's always shown great restraint in doing deals. 0:57:43.160 --> 0:57:46.520 The idea of a you know, the kind of deal 0:57:46.600 --> 0:57:50.880 the previous regime did with the Celtics with multiple picks 0:57:50.920 --> 0:57:56.080 and multiple pick swaps going out into infinity almost that's 0:57:56.240 --> 0:58:00.280 not his style. I think there is the potential for 0:58:00.320 --> 0:58:05.120 a restrained offer for Harden, but I don't imagine that 0:58:05.880 --> 0:58:08.880 the Nets are gonna go at it. Would go at 0:58:08.880 --> 0:58:11.680 it with desperation. They don't have to have them, but 0:58:12.040 --> 0:58:14.240 having them and the three of them, it's something you've 0:58:14.280 --> 0:58:16.840 got to look at. And I do think they're gonna 0:58:16.840 --> 0:58:18.880 look at it, and I are looking at it, but 0:58:19.040 --> 0:58:21.120 There's a big difference between that and getting to a 0:58:21.120 --> 0:58:24.360 place where you have a deal. Yeah, if I'm the Rockets, 0:58:24.360 --> 0:58:26.280 I'm in no hurry right now. I don't know what 0:58:26.640 --> 0:58:30.960 are they doing with Russell Westbrook. Well, they're more active 0:58:31.000 --> 0:58:35.080 and trying to seek out trades with Westbrook. They're different 0:58:35.080 --> 0:58:38.520 players and there's different values on them around the league. 0:58:38.640 --> 0:58:43.400 Right now, you know Westbrook right now, I'm not aware 0:58:43.440 --> 0:58:46.960 of any traction anywhere on a possible deal. I think 0:58:46.960 --> 0:58:51.000 it's very likely that both Westbrook and Harden are back, 0:58:51.880 --> 0:58:54.520 are still on the roster, certainly for the start of 0:58:54.600 --> 0:58:58.160 training camp in early December. We're talking to Adrian Wojanowski, 0:58:58.360 --> 0:59:02.160 ESPN senior NBA Insider Part of the Draft Coming Up 0:59:02.200 --> 0:59:06.920 also has a new three part narrative podcast series called 0:59:06.920 --> 0:59:09.840 The Jannis Draft The events leading up to the twenty 0:59:09.880 --> 0:59:13.040 thirteen NBA Draft. Give me what the Lakers are doing 0:59:13.120 --> 0:59:18.360 right now? Well, they're certainly excited they were able to 0:59:18.400 --> 0:59:20.880 land Dennis Shrewder in a deal. They're waiting to see 0:59:20.920 --> 0:59:23.280 what happens with Rajon Rondo. I think there's a market 0:59:23.320 --> 0:59:25.920 for him where he can make more money potentially in 0:59:26.000 --> 0:59:30.920 free agency than is available for him. With the Lakers, 0:59:31.440 --> 0:59:35.120 and you know, Contavious Caldwell Pope is going to be 0:59:35.120 --> 0:59:38.160 an interesting one. They want to keep him. Think he's 0:59:38.200 --> 0:59:41.120 looking for a payday with them. And I think with 0:59:41.400 --> 0:59:43.919 Anthony Davis, it is just a matter of how long 0:59:44.080 --> 0:59:46.520 of an extension or a new deal is he going 0:59:46.560 --> 0:59:48.560 to do with the Lakers. Does he get on the 0:59:48.600 --> 0:59:52.240 same contract timeframe in a short deal with Lebron or 0:59:52.240 --> 0:59:56.120 does he go and extend longer than that. But obviously 0:59:56.520 --> 1:00:01.800 Davis will be back in La Chris Paul deal, you know, 1:00:01.840 --> 1:00:04.760 I know he wins. I know he's at a stage 1:00:04.800 --> 1:00:08.480 in his career. Of Milwaukee I always felt was going 1:00:08.560 --> 1:00:10.880 to be a better landing spot. I thought, you know, 1:00:10.920 --> 1:00:13.960 to win a championship maybe, but Phoenix almost felt like 1:00:13.960 --> 1:00:17.520 a lifestyle situation as well. Give me the logic with 1:00:17.560 --> 1:00:22.280 Phoenix bringing in Chris Paul. This is an organization that 1:00:22.320 --> 1:00:27.240 needs credibility. They've needed leadership. I think they they really answered, 1:00:27.480 --> 1:00:31.440 they really started to fill that leadership credibility void by 1:00:31.480 --> 1:00:34.920 hiring Monty Williams last year. You saw the impact Williams 1:00:34.920 --> 1:00:44.600 had on that team. That's an organization I think we've 1:00:44.640 --> 1:00:48.720 lost Wode's probably that is an organization. Yes, it is 1:00:48.720 --> 1:00:52.800 actually right. Maybe he's gotten another call. Oh, very possible, yes, 1:00:52.920 --> 1:00:55.160 my club. Maybe it's a Brooklyn area code came in. 1:00:55.200 --> 1:00:57.520 He just had to drop it immediately. What'd be great 1:00:57.520 --> 1:00:59.000 if he didn't even say hold on, he just goes. 1:01:00.160 --> 1:01:03.080 Remember when we had Brian Cashman on the Yankees GM, 1:01:03.360 --> 1:01:06.200 and I said, what if George Steinbrenner calls, He goes, oh, 1:01:06.240 --> 1:01:08.360 I hang up on you, like there was not even 1:01:08.480 --> 1:01:11.200 any I don't even know if he says goodbye. I 1:01:11.280 --> 1:01:14.640 just think it's basically, oh, I'm so take that other 1:01:14.720 --> 1:01:19.760 call there. But Fritzie working on getting a wods back there. Yeah, 1:01:19.800 --> 1:01:23.160 the Chris Paul situation, you know, Phoenix probably looked at 1:01:23.200 --> 1:01:24.760 what they did in the bubble where they went eight 1:01:24.840 --> 1:01:27.400 no and went, you know, we we can compete with 1:01:27.440 --> 1:01:30.160 all of these teams. And then you bring in Chris Paul. 1:01:30.640 --> 1:01:36.160 All right, I mean he wins, but what is he 1:01:36.280 --> 1:01:39.440 thirty four thirty five? Would you were just just on 1:01:39.480 --> 1:01:43.280 the precipice of telling something really important about Phoenix tried 1:01:43.320 --> 1:01:45.320 to send the other called a voicemail and I hug 1:01:45.360 --> 1:01:48.240 you up there, that wasn't a Brooklyn I should know 1:01:48.240 --> 1:01:50.800 how to work a poe. That wasn't a Brooklyn area 1:01:50.840 --> 1:01:54.040 code calling right, No, that was a good Western. I'll 1:01:54.120 --> 1:01:56.120 leave it at that Western. Okay, Yeah, we don't take 1:01:56.160 --> 1:02:00.439 those phone calls. Nobody wants here from Indiana. Um so, Paul, 1:02:00.520 --> 1:02:03.160 they think this is legitimate here with what they can do, 1:02:03.680 --> 1:02:06.880 you know, Yeah, this is an organization. Yeah, they need 1:02:06.880 --> 1:02:08.960 to get in the playoffs. They have been so bad 1:02:09.000 --> 1:02:12.440 for so long and rutterless. And to have someone like 1:02:12.520 --> 1:02:16.360 Chris Paul for Devin Booker for DeAndre and those are 1:02:16.400 --> 1:02:18.080 players who have been a part of a lot of 1:02:18.160 --> 1:02:22.680 dysfunction there previous to Monty Williams arrival and losing in 1:02:22.840 --> 1:02:26.320 bad habits that come from that. Chris Paul brings just 1:02:26.880 --> 1:02:30.120 a competitive spirit, a leadership and let's he's still playing 1:02:30.120 --> 1:02:32.680 at a very high level at thirty five years old, 1:02:32.920 --> 1:02:34.320 given that he's got a couple of years left on 1:02:34.400 --> 1:02:36.480 the deal, the fact that Robert Sarver is going to 1:02:36.560 --> 1:02:39.240 pay that contract, I think it's a no brainer. I 1:02:39.280 --> 1:02:42.840 think it's unique to Phoenix. That's just they need to 1:02:42.880 --> 1:02:45.600 get in the playoffs. They need to show that they're 1:02:46.160 --> 1:02:50.120 a real NBA organization. Again, it's a great NBA market 1:02:50.160 --> 1:02:52.760 It's got great history and Phoenix a great fan base, 1:02:53.080 --> 1:02:55.320 and they deserve better than what they've had for a 1:02:55.440 --> 1:02:58.240 very long time under Starver. I think this for them 1:02:58.720 --> 1:03:00.480 was a step they absolutely had to make. I thought 1:03:00.480 --> 1:03:02.680 it was a great deal for them. I must be 1:03:02.680 --> 1:03:06.040 in the minority here, but I am sounding the bugle 1:03:06.360 --> 1:03:10.000 of what about Golden State is a title contender? And 1:03:10.200 --> 1:03:12.200 it just feels like when we talk about the West, 1:03:12.280 --> 1:03:14.960 Golden State doesn't is not in the picture. What am 1:03:14.960 --> 1:03:19.280 I missing here? Woaj Well? I think just the fact 1:03:19.280 --> 1:03:20.960 that they were out of sight and out of mind 1:03:21.400 --> 1:03:24.200 for a year and Durant left, and but you come 1:03:24.240 --> 1:03:28.680 back and Steph Curry and Clay Thompson and certainly Draymond 1:03:28.680 --> 1:03:32.040 and Andrew Wiggins, who you kind of forget it was 1:03:32.080 --> 1:03:35.080 traded there just prior to the season shutting down. And 1:03:35.160 --> 1:03:36.680 they're gonna have a chance at the top of the 1:03:36.760 --> 1:03:40.720 draft here to get you one of the elite players 1:03:40.720 --> 1:03:42.520 in this draft. And that's going to be somebody either 1:03:42.560 --> 1:03:46.280 they're going to keep and try to develop, or maybe 1:03:46.320 --> 1:03:48.520 if they don't use that player in a trade on 1:03:48.640 --> 1:03:53.000 Draft night, later on that big player starts banging the 1:03:53.120 --> 1:03:56.360 drum to get out of somewhere and that pick the 1:03:56.360 --> 1:04:00.439 Warriors make ends up in a larger deal down the road. 1:04:00.520 --> 1:04:03.520 But yeah, listen, this Warrior team is still going to 1:04:03.560 --> 1:04:06.400 be very formidable in the West. Like that. They're they're 1:04:06.440 --> 1:04:08.520 not going away. Do you have an idea of who 1:04:08.600 --> 1:04:10.760 that name who would want to get out of a 1:04:10.800 --> 1:04:14.160 place to end up at Golden State is wo No. 1:04:14.280 --> 1:04:16.160 But I think the whole league is going to wait 1:04:16.200 --> 1:04:19.680 and see what happens with Bradley Beale. He has made 1:04:19.680 --> 1:04:24.480 it very clear he is right now he is in Washington, 1:04:25.400 --> 1:04:27.440 that he is committed to staying there. He signed a 1:04:27.480 --> 1:04:30.360 short deal last year. But they've got to continue to 1:04:30.440 --> 1:04:32.960 have improve in Washington. They've got to show him that 1:04:33.000 --> 1:04:36.640 there's a pathway to being a contender in the East again. 1:04:37.000 --> 1:04:39.760 But Beale is the one everyone's launching. I have Tommy 1:04:39.800 --> 1:04:42.480 Shepherd and Ted Leons is a lot of credit in Washington. 1:04:42.920 --> 1:04:47.880 A year ago, when Shepherd took over, you would have 1:04:47.880 --> 1:04:49.440 thought Beale was on the way out, and he has 1:04:49.440 --> 1:04:53.320 shown him a lot of promise with trying to piece 1:04:53.360 --> 1:04:57.840 together that organization again. And so Beale has been very loyal. 1:04:58.520 --> 1:05:02.280 He wants it to work in Washington. So right now 1:05:02.320 --> 1:05:05.160 he's not available. He has told them I'm want to 1:05:05.480 --> 1:05:07.920 I want to be here now. But that's still going 1:05:07.960 --> 1:05:10.160 to be addressed over the long term. Every team in 1:05:10.160 --> 1:05:13.320 the league with love for Badley beal to be out 1:05:13.320 --> 1:05:15.320 on the trade market. But that's not the case. Now. 1:05:15.520 --> 1:05:17.880 What's the wildest rumor you've heard in the last week 1:05:17.960 --> 1:05:30.240 or so? Oh unkind None come to mind, None that 1:05:30.320 --> 1:05:34.360 are I think what is going to be really interesting, Dan, though, 1:05:35.080 --> 1:05:38.600 is the financial impact of this pandemic and the loss 1:05:38.600 --> 1:05:41.880 of revenue around the league. How many teams out there, 1:05:42.160 --> 1:05:45.040 how many owners are really going to be willing to 1:05:45.080 --> 1:05:49.480 spend and really push it financially here in the short term. 1:05:49.600 --> 1:05:52.480 You know, we talked about last season being the Asterix season. 1:05:53.360 --> 1:05:56.240 I wonder about this year with the pandemic and the 1:05:56.320 --> 1:06:01.240 potential of the virus costing team games just like happens 1:06:01.280 --> 1:06:04.440 in baseball, or players being out. We took for granted 1:06:04.440 --> 1:06:08.360 in the bubble everyone was going to stay healthy. How 1:06:08.360 --> 1:06:11.240 many teams actually play seventy two regular season games this year, 1:06:11.280 --> 1:06:15.280 how many key players are missing in those and you're 1:06:15.280 --> 1:06:18.120 playing without fans and all those things. This is the 1:06:18.200 --> 1:06:22.040 year more than that bubble championship where things could get 1:06:22.040 --> 1:06:24.080 a little out of whack, and as teams are again 1:06:24.160 --> 1:06:27.760 putting together their payrolls and teams, there are a lot 1:06:27.800 --> 1:06:31.600 of teams suffering financially in this who you just may 1:06:31.640 --> 1:06:35.560 see be less than competitive, less than aggressive in free 1:06:35.600 --> 1:06:38.840 agency and around the draft. Owners like Steve Balmer the 1:06:38.960 --> 1:06:40.919 Lakers make a lot of money with that local TV 1:06:41.040 --> 1:06:44.360 deal that doesn't go away with no fans in the arena. 1:06:44.480 --> 1:06:47.240 How does it impact all these teams as they put 1:06:47.320 --> 1:06:50.760 rosters together in trying to win this title. Weach good 1:06:50.800 --> 1:06:53.400 luck with the podcast and of course the NBA Draft 1:06:53.440 --> 1:06:56.360 tomorrow night. 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