Speaker 1: Dude, I almost had to fight my son. Oh no, okay,
Speaker 1: so what are you irish? I want to fight me, boy,
Speaker 1: I gotta fight me dog dude.
Speaker 2: I this dude.
Speaker 3: He he learned how to crawl out of his crib
Speaker 3: and I just heard his door creaking open. I go
Speaker 3: what And I started my bro My adrenaline started pumping,
Speaker 3: and I go, I might have to fuck up like
Speaker 3: a home invader or some shit.
Speaker 2: And like I was ready to just explode on whatever,
Speaker 2: like was pastorious on that ass.
Speaker 1: That was an actual murder, but like it was just
Speaker 1: wild to get in this moment. I have just fighter
Speaker 1: flight response to the door creaked, and I just see
Speaker 1: like a little et style shadow kind of peek through
Speaker 1: and then.
Speaker 2: A glowing finger too. Yeah, I started climbing at him.
Speaker 2: I started climbing out of my crib.
Speaker 4: It too, you did.
Speaker 1: Because I got hungry and my mom would be asleep,
Speaker 1: so I would just go like make a fucking disaster
Speaker 1: area in the kitchen with cocoa puffs or something.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember distinctly, like I was around two, and
Speaker 1: I would climb up over and I would slide down
Speaker 1: and I'd got the kitchen due. I just couldn't believe
Speaker 1: for how because I've seen him try and navigate the
Speaker 1: crib and he was.
Speaker 2: Like slip it. I was like, okay, we're good. This
Speaker 2: one ain't getting out. But the way he got all quiet,
Speaker 2: I was like, what happened?
Speaker 1: He goes, I fell out bed, but you fell And
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I would have heard that shit.
Speaker 2: But I think you know he is.
Speaker 6: To push yourself up over the edges to fall out
Speaker 6: of bed. Come on, man, I was fucking born yesterday. Man,
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Speaker 1: It's our national Spanish paiea day. It's also National Joe Day.
Speaker 1: So if your name's Joe, this one goes out to you.
Speaker 2: Could it be no, it could be anything.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're this is it's your day, so do it.
Speaker 2: There's a play in that. Okay, see Clippers game.
Speaker 6: I think where Isaiah Joe went up against Coffee whoever.
Speaker 7: The player is on.
Speaker 6: I think the Clippers and Coffee and the announcer was
Speaker 6: like a Java showdown. I was like, that man should
Speaker 6: win a Pultz. Yeah, that is a great eye for detail.
Speaker 6: My name's Jack O'Brien aka Miles. Why you facial in
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Speaker 6: full of cream pithing. You dive in that one courtesy
Speaker 6: of Lacaroni in reference to my morning routine where I
Speaker 6: do everything exactly like that fitness influencer, except instead of
Speaker 6: dunking my face in an ice bath. I dunk it
Speaker 6: into a cream pie like Missus doubt Fire exactly multiple times,
Speaker 6: and then I use the pie crust to buff out
Speaker 6: my face.
Speaker 7: It's banana peel.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but this is lore now, and I'm.
Speaker 6: Thrilled to be joined as a by my co host,
Speaker 6: mister Miles Grasslesky.
Speaker 2: I'm a hey, let me actually get up there. I'm
Speaker 2: a fan boy.
Speaker 4: I lock teeth acting, guys, I'm Goggins God.
Speaker 2: In Appado.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm getting gogged out, thank you. Joe Jenoya on
Speaker 1: the discord. Yeah, I'm here.
Speaker 6: For the Gogen actin The guy's got so much tooth
Speaker 6: acting going on that they have to give his co
Speaker 6: stars funny teeth, just to you know, because otherwise it's
Speaker 6: just he stands out how you're going to go up
Speaker 6: against that his romantic leads. The opposites in his storylines
Speaker 6: have to have eye catching teeth. Yes, the only way
Speaker 6: that you can cast opposite Goggins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Miles, it's.
Speaker 6: Me Jack Or thrilled to be joined in our third
Speaker 6: seat by a hilarious comedian, the number one comedian of
Speaker 6: the Year twenty fifth teen, where you lift the top
Speaker 6: thousand comedians. He's the host of The Wonderful Show podcast,
Speaker 6: but outside it's Andrew Mischall.
Speaker 8: Hey, thank you for having me. Happy to be here,
Speaker 8: not caught up on a white lotus. But in the
Speaker 8: episodes that I've seen, the teeth are on.
Speaker 2: Display, so toothing by Goggin.
Speaker 8: They got if that was like a spoiler, like, oh,
Speaker 8: she has met spoiled it.
Speaker 4: I didn't really take that in yet.
Speaker 6: On the fact that, yeah, she smiles in the last scene,
Speaker 6: and it's like.
Speaker 4: I lit the whole show.
Speaker 2: She did it.
Speaker 4: She looks like that.
Speaker 2: Actually, you never know those planes everything.
Speaker 1: People, I mean, we're people are really sensitive to spoilers. Now,
Speaker 1: Like someone thought that me saying Bradley Cooper was in
Speaker 1: this first episode of Righteous Gemstones was a spoiler. Potentially,
Speaker 1: It's like, you're gonna know it's sick in the whole episode.
Speaker 2: I'm like, right, it's not.
Speaker 8: I mean, I know that, but it's not like I'm
Speaker 8: going to enjoy it less because I know that now, right, right, right,
Speaker 8: I really care.
Speaker 2: I'm sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess when I watched it, I went
Speaker 1: and totally blind. Now, oh, Bradley Cooper.
Speaker 7: You saved me from my Oh Bradley Cooper moment.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's my favorite moment in the history.
Speaker 2: Thanks a lot, sir.
Speaker 8: Life is just the time between oh Bradley Cooper moments exactly.
Speaker 8: But yeah, I feel like people are not sensitive to
Speaker 8: posting spoilers though, because everyone wants to have like a take.
Speaker 4: On whatever's happening in the moment.
Speaker 8: Like there's a big thing on White Lotus this week,
Speaker 8: which I'm sure you guys have seen. I haven't seen
Speaker 8: it yet, but it's been spoiled for me like three times.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at my yeah, just from looking.
Speaker 8: At Instagram, where it's like someone wants to make some
Speaker 8: stupid joke about it and I'm like, okay, like what
Speaker 8: you wrote wasn't even that funny, and now I know
Speaker 8: that that happened, it's just is like very annoying.
Speaker 4: Just don't really you.
Speaker 7: Know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like the discourse we were just talking about this, how
Speaker 1: like now me like missing the discourse kind of affects
Speaker 1: me wanting to watch something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I said, I'm like, the discourse half passed,
Speaker 2: so maybe I won't.
Speaker 6: You don't even need to watch the content, you just
Speaker 6: let it wash over you via social media. That's how
Speaker 6: we experience things now, it's just a third hand. I'm
Speaker 6: downstream from a lot of content. I haven't actually watched
Speaker 6: a lot of it, but I'm downstreaming you.
Speaker 4: Know what people are saying about it.
Speaker 6: I basically get it, and I have had opinions of
Speaker 6: stuff based purely on like having encountered other people's opinions
Speaker 6: because I'm a I'm bad.
Speaker 2: I'm a bad person.
Speaker 4: I was going to say that, I say it. I'm
Speaker 4: glad you said it.
Speaker 7: Actually I don't like that show. Oh yeah, I seen it.
Speaker 6: Actually, Not to be fair, I have not seen it,
Speaker 6: but I heard it just like doesn't stick the landing.
Speaker 2: That's my criticism.
Speaker 1: Is one of your friends say that I read it
Speaker 1: from the dude.
Speaker 7: Somebody I'd never seen or heard from before, or a yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: So that's where I got that opinion from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was from like at fuck Machine three three
Speaker 1: eight or something.
Speaker 2: But they didn't like it.
Speaker 7: So I'm going to name like that. Yeah, name like that. Andrew.
Speaker 6: We're gonna get to know you a little bit better
Speaker 6: in a moment. First, we're going to tell the listeners
Speaker 6: a couple of the news stories that we're talking about
Speaker 6: later on on this news podcast. We're going to talk
Speaker 6: about whiskey leaks. It's being called the Bombros group chat
Speaker 6: where they just like put the editor in chief of
Speaker 6: a magazine in their war room. They just like invited
Speaker 6: him to the war room party.
Speaker 1: And they're not even war plans in any ways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like if they.
Speaker 1: Are, then they're like really shitty just because like I'm
Speaker 1: not even giving like exact coordinates.
Speaker 2: So yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7: And we'll talk about AI art.
Speaker 2: There's there's been a new breakthrough.
Speaker 6: You guys, we're all fucking excited over here.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: They they're now miyazakiying giblifying, but photos.
Speaker 2: This is the act of war against me.
Speaker 6: It's not it is it's not again, I don't know,
Speaker 6: Like in pre AI story days, this would just be
Speaker 6: like look at this cool app.
Speaker 2: It makes you look older.
Speaker 6: And now we're like we have to have a take
Speaker 6: because for a good reason, they are like trying to
Speaker 6: use dumb shit like this as like this is actually
Speaker 6: the future of entertainment.
Speaker 7: It's like, no, no, it's not.
Speaker 6: It's a fucking cute little application that you've added to
Speaker 6: your app. Anyways, we'll talk about all that Plny Moore,
Speaker 6: But first Andrew we do like to ask our guests,
Speaker 6: what is something from your search history that's revealing about.
Speaker 2: Who you are?
Speaker 8: I just I like to travel a lot, and I
Speaker 8: was just searching I'm going to Italy kind of for
Speaker 8: the first time. I went when I was eighteen, very
Speaker 8: very briefly, but for the first time in a long
Speaker 8: time going to Italy and having a bit of a
Speaker 8: longer trip there.
Speaker 4: I haven't spent time there before.
Speaker 2: Where are you going?
Speaker 4: Well, that was what my Google searcher series about.
Speaker 8: My friend was telling me to go to the Dolomites,
Speaker 8: which I'd never heard recommended before. But I think it's
Speaker 8: like a mountain range and Italy that's supposed to be
Speaker 8: quite beautiful. So I'm basically trying to decide if I
Speaker 8: want to do like a nature kind of you know,
Speaker 8: mountain range and maybe that Lake Como place kind.
Speaker 2: Of vio Hell, like a Rome.
Speaker 4: Kind of cultural trip. And that's kind of where I'm
Speaker 4: at is planning that and trying to figure.
Speaker 2: Out And you're was where to go Italy?
Speaker 8: Was that My search was ai Italy ghibli photos just
Speaker 8: to kind of stimulate my mind get in the frame here, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, No, No,
Speaker 8: I was just was searching the Dolomites last night because
Speaker 8: my friend went last year and highly recommended it. But
Speaker 8: I I don't know. I mean, I grew up in Colorado,
Speaker 8: I grew up in the mountains. I think I maybe
Speaker 8: want I think so much about the nature stuff. I mean,
Speaker 8: I love nature, But I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 8: something that maybe feels more unique is to go to
Speaker 8: see the historical stuff in Rome or Venice or something
Speaker 8: like that. What's your guys is Italy?
Speaker 4: Uh? Intel?
Speaker 2: Oh? I mean where do I be?
Speaker 7: I mean there's long running do you anytime?
Speaker 4: Give me your book?
Speaker 1: Oh man, where do I go? Where do I say?
Speaker 1: But I mean Venice is one of my favs. Wile
Speaker 1: Miles gets his music cute up. Italy so such a
Speaker 1: beautiful place. It's filled with magic.
Speaker 2: The food amazing.
Speaker 6: I was actually just with magic food amazing.
Speaker 4: A lot.
Speaker 7: The music does a lot of the speaking for Yeah.
Speaker 8: Oh wow, I brought up the perfect topic. Unless you
Speaker 8: have it, Unless you have a song cute that for
Speaker 8: every country.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's actually no. I became I went to
Speaker 1: Italy the first time went to Italy. I became insufferable
Speaker 1: when I.
Speaker 4: Came to Italy pilled years ago.
Speaker 1: Oh dead in the little of little literaly little did
Speaker 1: we know that we riddled to middle man who didn't
Speaker 1: do Italy?
Speaker 2: That's where I ended up.
Speaker 4: Wow, this is the perfect thing to bring up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, it's uh, I don't, that's funny. I don't.
Speaker 2: I've never I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know about the Dolomites, but the only
Speaker 1: reference I have is like that one Jurassic Park movie
Speaker 1: when they that one fucking guy was up in that
Speaker 1: region of I was like, the fuck is Jurassic part
Speaker 1: taking place over here?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: But yeah, if you like, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've only been to like three fucking places, so I'm
Speaker 1: not sure. I'm not going to stand act like an expert.
Speaker 2: However, I will say Florence beautiful.
Speaker 1: If it ends it, Yes, yes, yes, yes, body fantastic
Speaker 1: places along the boot.
Speaker 2: Of Italy, the heel of the boot of Italy.
Speaker 8: But anyway, yeah, whoever, like the that's like the wine
Speaker 8: country area or Tuscany, Tuscany.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, that's like the wine country zone, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: there's there's some.
Speaker 2: Great wine there.
Speaker 6: Great, you simply want to go to Tuscany. I didn't
Speaker 6: really like when I was a kid. I haven't been
Speaker 6: back there in a long time, but Venice was very transporting.
Speaker 6: It felt like you were in a different time period.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's changed though now, like because the boardwalk is
Speaker 1: kind of it's kind of run down now and like
Speaker 1: gold gym, the muscle beach thing, isn't this okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Very cool, very good.
Speaker 4: You know, there's these influencers trying to ask you where you're.
Speaker 2: Those like wings that are painted on a wall.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just one of those wings murals
Speaker 6: every five feet.
Speaker 8: The consensus i've read seems that you can't really go
Speaker 8: wrong in Italy. It's a lot of it's quite beautiful
Speaker 8: and interesting, and.
Speaker 4: So you'll figure it out.
Speaker 2: You'll figure it out, you'll have a blast. What is
Speaker 2: something that you think is underrated?
Speaker 4: Reading a book?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 2: That's right?
Speaker 8: In my personal life, I feel like it's very easy
Speaker 8: to forget to do that.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 8: And I need to I need to hype it up
Speaker 8: in my own mind because every time I sit and read,
Speaker 8: it's quite nice and feels like what life should be about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very easy to forget to do that. And
Speaker 4: this is more of a just a for myself.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there's like a book that you
Speaker 1: bought and you're like, fuck, man, actually read this?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Ei, there is.
Speaker 8: I have a book that I brought with me on
Speaker 8: so many trips that I've not even begun to read.
Speaker 4: It's God, what the heck is it?
Speaker 8: It's they made that really, I think kind of critically
Speaker 8: panned sci fi movie about it, like the Future Speak the.
Speaker 4: Bible of the Bible. No, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: What the heck is it? Now? I feel even worse
Speaker 4: about this book because I don't.
Speaker 2: Even know the Electric State.
Speaker 8: No, they just made that. No, they made this movie
Speaker 8: I think like maybe six years ago. Cloud out Lists.
Speaker 8: That's very good, and I own it and i've I've
Speaker 8: it's a very dense book. So I've started it a
Speaker 8: few times and then like time goes by, and then
Speaker 8: I restarted because it seems quite dense.
Speaker 4: But anyway, that's next for me. It's Cloud out Lists.
Speaker 2: There you go, it's on the list.
Speaker 4: Are you do you guys make time to read?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 7: Constantly? Man?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't make time I read, so
Speaker 1: I have to ingest so much news like that I
Speaker 1: get my reading done there, but also I always have
Speaker 1: like though I know I also have like a book
Speaker 1: that's simmering also that will take me a little bit
Speaker 1: of time. Like, but I've recently I'm trying to read
Speaker 1: more fiction because I'm such a fucking like, I'm such
Speaker 1: a like as a kid, I just want to learn
Speaker 1: facts and history and stuff. That that's where I derived
Speaker 1: a lot of the pleasure from reading. And then I
Speaker 1: now I read an article about how like it like
Speaker 1: reading fiction helps your brain, and I'm like, Okay, that
Speaker 1: feels like like respectably nerdy enough.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I used to be really good about reading fiction.
Speaker 8: I would read like a book every month or two always,
Speaker 8: and then I just kind of have fallen out of
Speaker 8: favor and I need to get back into it.
Speaker 2: Must.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I like the Bard mostly just reading Shakespeare oh really
Speaker 6: out there?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah, just.
Speaker 7: Wow front in the original Queen's.
Speaker 4: The original words and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah, in the original language.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no translation because yeah, I don't even do the
Speaker 6: graphic novel versions.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, very pretty.
Speaker 2: Yeah I do do those.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: If he's gonna you got you gotta.
Speaker 1: But I realize I don't know if this is the
Speaker 1: same for you. Jack is like when we have guests
Speaker 1: that have a book out. That's like when i's efficient
Speaker 1: reader too, because I'll be like, I gotta read this,
Speaker 1: like I'm knuckling down to read this material, and then
Speaker 1: other times it just kind of like I'm I think
Speaker 1: that's the thing is I'm I have to reconnect with
Speaker 1: the actual pleasure of reading.
Speaker 2: Because I knew that thing too.
Speaker 1: You'll go on a trip and you're like, dude, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna read this and it's like I've been dragging this
Speaker 1: book ground for fucking a year now, exactly.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've got the Power Broker and Gravity's Rainbow that
Speaker 6: I have like significant chunks that have taken out of them,
Speaker 6: and every once in a while, like take them on
Speaker 6: a vacation and uh, you know, get another like one
Speaker 6: eighteenth of the way through.
Speaker 8: I gotta say I cruised through audiobooks, you know, being
Speaker 8: in La driving and stuff music. I listened to one
Speaker 8: or two audio books a month. So I definitely like
Speaker 8: consume fiction in that way. But you know, obviously it's
Speaker 8: a different part of your brain when you're when.
Speaker 2: I feel like, do you do like crime fiction?
Speaker 6: What what's your what's your favorite work of fiction You've
Speaker 6: read or listened to in the not too distant past.
Speaker 8: Let's see recently. I just I'm almost done with the
Speaker 8: new Mirror Comedy book. I don't know that I love it.
Speaker 7: What's your favorite?
Speaker 8: I would probably say Couugh on the Shore. No, not sorry,
Speaker 8: wind Up Bird Chronicle probably is my favorite. But I've
Speaker 8: read a lot of his books, but the new one,
Speaker 8: I don't know. They all kind of blend together after
Speaker 8: you read too many of them, so this new one
Speaker 8: is different. But it hasn't grabbed me yet. You know,
Speaker 8: I actually really liked I mean, this is nonfiction. But
Speaker 8: the Shoe Dog, the Nike book. Did you guys read
Speaker 8: about Phil Knight?
Speaker 4: I was really good. It was very interesting. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: really liked it. I mean, you know, they made that
Speaker 4: movie with Ben Affleck, but the book is quite different. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's just really interesting.
Speaker 8: Like he just was like a very interesting guy and
Speaker 8: like truly like a pioneer, and like he has a
Speaker 8: pretty good perspective on success and life, and he seems
Speaker 8: like a well balanced I mean, you know, in an
Speaker 8: error where CEOs are maybe the most evil people in
Speaker 8: the world, ye kind of.
Speaker 4: Is a refreshing. I don't know, a guy who seems
Speaker 4: to enjoy his life and has good values and I
Speaker 4: don't know, and he let.
Speaker 6: Them make a movie about him, essentially making one of
Speaker 6: the worst business deals of all time, like giving Michael
Speaker 6: Jordan that right chunk of the thing he's got some
Speaker 6: human Yeah, that was fine, just like ten ten dollars
Speaker 6: off of whatever, Like yeah.
Speaker 8: And then I'm just I'm almost done listening to the
Speaker 8: new Randa julybook, which is really good.
Speaker 4: She's I love.
Speaker 2: Her first book of short stories that was back when I.
Speaker 4: Book is really great. She's clearly just so smart and funny.
Speaker 8: And she's look that Yeah, it's called on all fours,
Speaker 8: I believe, Okay, amazing.
Speaker 7: What is something you think is overrated?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 8: For me, it's Donald Trump the president. I think a
Speaker 8: lot of people seem to like him. I don't really
Speaker 8: get the appeal on a personal level, but a lot
Speaker 8: of people seem to be really into his ship.
Speaker 4: So for me, he's not He's not my taste.
Speaker 8: But yeah, I mean, it feels like a bit of
Speaker 8: a throwback because I know he used to be really popular,
Speaker 8: but he seems to be popular again. And again I
Speaker 8: just don't see it. But people seem to fuck with him, So.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't see it.
Speaker 8: I just don't see it. I just personally don't see it.
Speaker 8: I don't know, like I don't know, I don't see it.
Speaker 2: I try to have it.
Speaker 6: Find Donald Trump the president. I was a little frog
Speaker 6: ye first when you first brought him up. But yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 8: I try to have an open mind about stuff. But
Speaker 8: with him, I really don't see it.
Speaker 2: I'm really trying, really really.
Speaker 7: Trying to canceled. Dude, what the fuck is this ship?
Speaker 4: Say?
Speaker 2: You fuck with it? Heavy? Trying to get invited on podcast.
Speaker 4: Man, So he feels a little overrated for me.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm a little weird. I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I don't get it.
Speaker 2: I don't kind of out there, you know.
Speaker 4: I don't get the appeal. I mean he's sexy. Hey,
Speaker 4: don't get me wrong, he's sexy, but.
Speaker 8: I just I don't know, on an intellectual and a
Speaker 8: policy level, I don't see it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I won't fight you for that.
Speaker 4: I won't thanks.
Speaker 6: That is one of my favorite stories we haven't covered
Speaker 6: is his like self perception based on that like portrait.
Speaker 7: He's like a lot of.
Speaker 6: People are saying this looks nothing like it's just like
Speaker 6: a person who's like, this is a bad picture of me.
Speaker 2: I don't actually look like that.
Speaker 8: I mean, he's not wrong in a way, like it
Speaker 8: really does does not look that much like him, puffy.
Speaker 8: It's like it's I mean, as much as I dislike Trump,
Speaker 8: like I feel like he is right in saying like
Speaker 8: the whoever painted that probably doesn't like him. But it's
Speaker 8: also like why, like no one would have seen his
Speaker 8: photo if.
Speaker 4: You didn't talk about it, Like what are you talking
Speaker 4: about this?
Speaker 8: Like three people in Denver would have seen this thing
Speaker 8: if you didn't like blast it on the internet and
Speaker 8: make everyone make fun of you. It's just like, so,
Speaker 8: I don't know, clearly not going to serve his ends
Speaker 8: of people not seeing that photo.
Speaker 1: It's definitely that's definitely a stop on the road to
Speaker 1: you know, sinilities or I'm in like dementia for sure,
Speaker 1: like when you can't recognize yourself on some levels.
Speaker 2: But I don't think he's quite there yet.
Speaker 7: He's like, who's that?
Speaker 1: But it's definitely, I mean, it's also people are like
Speaker 1: the guy would it seems pretty flattering compared to what
Speaker 1: your actual photo looks like, you know, like they the
Speaker 1: person gave him a little some chim bones and shit,
Speaker 1: and he's like.
Speaker 6: This not me, No, No, he looks like Puffy in
Speaker 6: a more Churchillian way. Then he's like he's he's overweight
Speaker 6: in a different way, I think, and that's probably hard
Speaker 6: for him to like kind of get his head around.
Speaker 2: It's not even the face. He's like, my hair doesn't
Speaker 2: look like that. That hair sucks.
Speaker 4: He's like, I've never stood in front of a wall
Speaker 4: of that color.
Speaker 2: The problem that tie is entirely too short.
Speaker 7: Let's take a.
Speaker 6: Quick break and we'll come back and talk about, Uh,
Speaker 6: this Trump got a bit of a fucking clown.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back, and we're back fucking back, man.
Speaker 4: And we're bad and better than ever.
Speaker 2: You're so fucking back.
Speaker 6: It's going to be increasingly interesting to watch as things,
Speaker 6: you know, fuck ups happen in this administration that have
Speaker 6: anything to do with technology. Give them what we've learned
Speaker 6: about Donald Trump, Donald Trump's relationship to technology. Andrew, did
Speaker 6: you see the clip of him talking about how Barren
Speaker 6: is a computer.
Speaker 4: With because he turned it back on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he turned it back on one more time.
Speaker 2: We got it. I just need the whole quote I'm
Speaker 2: trying to turn it off. His turn it off. I
Speaker 2: turn off his laptop. I said, oh goodness.
Speaker 5: And I go back five minutes later, he's got his laptop.
Speaker 2: I said, how you did it?
Speaker 5: None of his dad. No, he's got an unbelievable aptitude.
Speaker 7: In yeah, seems so old.
Speaker 2: He's got an unbelievable aptitude.
Speaker 8: I feel like Trump is one of those people that
Speaker 8: you know, he obviously is kind of dumb in a
Speaker 8: lot of ways, but he's like one of those dumb
Speaker 8: people who learns five smart words and just like runs
Speaker 8: them into the ground. And aptitude is one of those
Speaker 8: words many times, and it's not a word most people use,
Speaker 8: and it's a word that kind of makes me sound
Speaker 8: a little bit smart.
Speaker 4: Use it too much.
Speaker 6: Everything that's like used when trying to make average people
Speaker 6: don't see an incredible great aptitude at this Uh, he's
Speaker 6: basically a C student in technology.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: Jasmine Cruckett though she's got a bad aptitude, yes what?
Speaker 1: But yeah, this this whole fucking controversy scandal that now
Speaker 1: the media has. I guess they had so much trouble
Speaker 1: with all the other scandals, but this one, this is
Speaker 1: like old school scandals that they're used to. So now
Speaker 1: they're like, yep, that's bad, disappearing like foreign students for
Speaker 1: speaking out about and supporting Palestine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know about that.
Speaker 1: I don't know about she's arresting people who are here legally,
Speaker 1: but because they have a tattoo and you're like they're
Speaker 1: in a gang, sent them out.
Speaker 2: Salad got got But this one it's also funny too.
Speaker 1: So The Atlantic has now published the full chat because
Speaker 1: the whole time the White House was kind of they
Speaker 1: were they were counting on the fact that they weren't
Speaker 1: because they felt like they're gonna be responsible and not
Speaker 1: like show the chest.
Speaker 2: It was taken out of context essentially.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also to be so adamant that nothing classified
Speaker 1: was discussed, No attack plans were discussed.
Speaker 2: There's not even so.
Speaker 1: Now we see the whole thing we've got they're talking
Speaker 1: about like when planes are in the air, what they're attacking,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. There's one part too, where they're like,
Speaker 1: we got the target. We saw him under his girlfriend's building,
Speaker 1: and now the building has collapsed.
Speaker 2: And JD. Vance's responds excellent.
Speaker 1: Like mister Burns or some shit, and you're like, hold on,
Speaker 1: you guys flattened a fucking building to get one person.
Speaker 1: And I mean this should be part for the course,
Speaker 1: because America is not about efficiency when it comes to
Speaker 1: going after targets about any kind.
Speaker 2: But like that was just one thing.
Speaker 1: I read like that was a little bit like that
Speaker 1: details like the whole building's gone, so we're good and yeah,
Speaker 1: that very burnsy in response. But now because the transcripts
Speaker 1: are out, they can't just do the same thing where
Speaker 1: they're like, nah, they didn't talk about it, and then
Speaker 1: it sort of turned into well, actually signal signal was
Speaker 1: actually really secure, so it doesn't even matter, and now
Speaker 1: they're just.
Speaker 2: Like, am I gonna say so for starters? Right?
Speaker 1: Trump is so fucking old and seen now that he
Speaker 1: basically has no clue what any of this is. And
Speaker 1: it shows when he was asked directly like hey, what
Speaker 1: do you think about this whole signal thing, and he
Speaker 1: just sounds like an old guy where a bunch of
Speaker 1: young people were telling him it's not a big deal,
Speaker 1: and that's just kind of his energy.
Speaker 3: Do you think that Mike Walt made a mistake and
Speaker 3: doesn't need.
Speaker 5: To apologize, No, I don't think he should apologize. I
Speaker 5: think he's doing his best. It's equipment and technology that's
Speaker 5: not perfect, and probably he won't be using it again,
Speaker 5: at least not in the very near future.
Speaker 7: What do you have as sort I agree with you.
Speaker 2: Let's get everybody in the room.
Speaker 5: Whenever possible.
Speaker 1: That was Michael Walt's chief fuck up, the guy who
Speaker 1: did it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why we looked there.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He was basically like, and.
Speaker 1: We probably won't be microwaving any glow sticks anymore while
Speaker 1: wearing a beautiful shirt, and he's like, no, Daddy, no,
Speaker 1: I will not be microwaving glow sticks in the microwave.
Speaker 1: I know that's bad, and then just kind of dismissing
Speaker 1: it is like it's a technology and a thing and equipment.
Speaker 1: No they don't. This is a fuck you guys. We're
Speaker 1: talking about classified shit and unsecured channels, which normally lands
Speaker 1: people in prison.
Speaker 2: This is his great genius.
Speaker 5: Sometimes you find out defects by exactly things like that.
Speaker 5: But I don't think it's something we're looking forward to
Speaker 5: using again. We may be forced to use it. You
Speaker 5: may be in a situation where you need speed as
Speaker 5: opposed to gross safety, and you may be forced to
Speaker 5: use it, but generally speaking, I think we probably won't
Speaker 5: be using it very much.
Speaker 8: Dude, gross safety, man, that's safety is nasty.
Speaker 1: This is like gross safety that you're trying to have
Speaker 1: like operation security for national secure whatever.
Speaker 6: But so when he's talking about like using it versus
Speaker 6: like he does, he just mean like group the group chat,
Speaker 6: the technology of like having.
Speaker 4: A group chat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so, because that's Mike. Mike was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll definitely like get together in person. That's probably better
Speaker 1: than like in a skiff or something good.
Speaker 8: But also is there I mean obviously so I guess
Speaker 8: signal is not as secure as.
Speaker 4: You would want for government war secrets, right, But is
Speaker 4: isn't more important the fact that they invited a journalist
Speaker 4: to the chat.
Speaker 8: Isn't that also part of it? But they're not really
Speaker 8: addressing that part of it at all, right.
Speaker 1: No, because they have to kind of tack onto whatever
Speaker 1: they feel gives them the best chance of defending something
Speaker 1: that is completely So they're.
Speaker 8: Defending on the technology instead of being like, oh, he
Speaker 8: pushed the wrong button and like the rust button you
Speaker 8: could possibly push in that scenario.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, this is it's probably good that
Speaker 1: obviously we just played.
Speaker 2: How do you do that clip?
Speaker 1: Where Yeah, Trump is so like, this is so far
Speaker 1: out of his depth. He does not have an aptitude
Speaker 1: for technology that these people can just basically give the
Speaker 1: excuses to Daddy and he has no clue.
Speaker 2: So he's like, I see, I see so there, so
Speaker 2: they're just they're tripping. Huh, Yeah, he's gonna.
Speaker 6: He There's almost no chance that he hasn't at least
Speaker 6: asked if he can get Barren across this.
Speaker 2: If he's not, you know, he's like, let me check
Speaker 2: with Uh, we're close, so we're close to this.
Speaker 1: So Michael Waltz, right, he's doing He went on Laura
Speaker 1: Ingram show to and just was doing, like just contradicting
Speaker 1: himself all over. Remember it was him that created the
Speaker 1: group and added people to it, and in most realities
Speaker 1: that would mean the buck stops with him. But his
Speaker 1: defense is very the nonsensical. This is him trying to
Speaker 1: explain exactly what happened to Laura Ingram.
Speaker 9: Have you ever had somebody's contact that shows their name
Speaker 9: and then you haven't, and then you have somebody else, Right,
Speaker 9: You've got somebody else's number on someone else.
Speaker 2: He is a loser in the group.
Speaker 9: It looked like someone else. Now, whether he did it
Speaker 9: deliberately or or it happened in some other technical means something,
Speaker 9: we're trying to figure out.
Speaker 1: This guy just said, so of course I didn't notice
Speaker 1: this loser that you added, right, this is the guy
Speaker 1: who added who added him?
Speaker 7: So of course I didn't see this loser.
Speaker 2: He tricked me into doing that.
Speaker 8: I also have to say, I've never had somebody's number
Speaker 8: on somebody else's name in my contacts on my phone,
Speaker 8: just just the base level of that. That's never happened
Speaker 8: to me. How is that happened? How is that comment?
Speaker 2: But dude, he's like a loser, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And then did you see at the end he's like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you probably snuck into the group
Speaker 1: or something. What do you fucking fucking smeegel ass Lodge and.
Speaker 2: The Tricksy Hobbits is group chat? Dude, you fucking added him?
Speaker 7: Like early podcast ads, we talked about this.
Speaker 6: When we hosted the podcast words, but like when they
Speaker 6: were like the post office fucking sucks?
Speaker 2: Am I right?
Speaker 6: And everyone had to be like yeah, like they almost
Speaker 6: brainwashed me into being like the post office is the
Speaker 6: worst place in the world.
Speaker 7: We all agree on that, right, Like they're just trying.
Speaker 6: They're just trying to like make it seem like we're
Speaker 6: all constantly sitting in group exexts and like adding people
Speaker 6: who we don't know, like this happens all the time
Speaker 6: to all of us. It's like, no, this is you
Speaker 6: can keep trying, but like this is not a problem
Speaker 6: that anyone has really run into the work, right.
Speaker 2: Dude, The excuses get worse.
Speaker 1: So then he's trying to be like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like we gotta we gotta get to the bottom, like
Speaker 1: they're doing the hot dog car sketch right now, and
Speaker 1: he's like, well, what the fuck happened? So this is
Speaker 1: him going on about, no, we got we're gonna really
Speaker 1: look into this. You've got some smart people looking into this.
Speaker 2: We're going to get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 9: We have. I just talked to Elon on the way here.
Speaker 9: We've got the best technical minds looking at how this happened.
Speaker 9: But I can tell you added to him or I
Speaker 9: don't know this guy. I know him by his horrible reputation,
Speaker 9: and he really is a bottom scum of journalists. And
Speaker 9: I know him in the sense that he hates the president,
Speaker 9: but I don't text him.
Speaker 2: He went on my phone. He he wasn't on my phone.
Speaker 2: He was having to diet coke Man and he was
Speaker 2: just bothering me.
Speaker 1: Like this guy, he goes this guy from by the way, technical,
Speaker 1: I don't know you fill your Baltimore, Like we.
Speaker 2: Need the technical minds looking into this. Your fucking fingers.
Speaker 4: Well, why do you think this guy was invited? How?
Speaker 4: How what do you think happened?
Speaker 2: He's from Boynton Beach, Florida. Jack, Yeah, wanting on I
Speaker 2: don't know because he want on his phone.
Speaker 6: So it's kind of crazy how you get in the
Speaker 6: group chat when he won?
Speaker 1: He on there, like I think I think the most
Speaker 1: the easy response here is that he is so bumbling
Speaker 1: and in nept that he doesn't even have the wherewithal
Speaker 1: to double check who's on a fucking group thread when
Speaker 1: you're talking about yeah, like a Millie Terry attack in Yemen.
Speaker 2: That seems like the easiest. Other people like maybe he
Speaker 2: was trying to leak it to the Atlantic or something.
Speaker 7: Leak what Yeah, four d Chess of the completely.
Speaker 1: Called classic leaking to the press as that one guy
Speaker 1: did his Mullaney bit the other day.
Speaker 6: Although now it sounds like the Joker's it's hard to
Speaker 6: do a good mulleny.
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, without crossing it over into Keith
Speaker 1: Ledger's joker.
Speaker 4: John John Mullaney does a great millenniy He one of.
Speaker 2: My favorite mulleniyo John.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so right now, I think Trump said it again.
Speaker 1: He announced that Michael Waltz will be leading the investigation
Speaker 1: in what happened with his own fucking hands.
Speaker 6: I mean it does like maybe somebody else added him
Speaker 6: thinking they were adding somebody else.
Speaker 7: I don't like. That is a question.
Speaker 6: Does he have a name that is similar to somebody
Speaker 6: who would like plausibly have been there, or like a number.
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Goldberg I think in the article said it may
Speaker 1: have been this other person with the same but they
Speaker 1: don't have the same name.
Speaker 8: Maybe he was like, maybe he's like, okay, these are
Speaker 8: the people to add, these are people to definitely not add,
Speaker 8: and then he accidentally added them from.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's very very very very sad and dumb,
Speaker 1: and it says and I think that's the thing at
Speaker 1: this point, it's just so clear that these people don't
Speaker 1: know what they're doing at all, like to the point
Speaker 1: where they can't even they're just using signal for their
Speaker 1: for all this shit, like they work at some technogy.
Speaker 8: Has anyone in the military commented on this, because I
Speaker 8: feel like people who are like putting their lives on
Speaker 8: the line, you know, in the line of duty, It's
Speaker 8: like they're the people I feel them should be the
Speaker 8: most mad about this, because it's like you're looking at
Speaker 8: our lives essentially as like a game that you're playing
Speaker 8: on this group chat and you're inviting journals. It just
Speaker 8: feels very disrespectful to like people who are taking this
Speaker 8: seriously and are actually like out there fighting for our
Speaker 8: country or something. I don't know, it's out like a
Speaker 8: hardcore military supporter, but it feels a little bit like
Speaker 8: disrespectful to that.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. That is the take of everybody
Speaker 1: who's just like, are.
Speaker 4: These people like serious, right, right?
Speaker 1: You're already asking poor people to enlist in the army
Speaker 1: to do violence on behalf of the American empire, and
Speaker 1: then time that you're not even a fucking try and
Speaker 1: keep them safe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: But he's he's come back. Michael Watson, like Hexath and Night.
Speaker 1: We're veterans. We get We very much understand what I
Speaker 1: say here. We just don't know how to fucking text
Speaker 1: or none of that.
Speaker 6: I mean, military people are also some of the best
Speaker 6: at not talking about superior.
Speaker 1: People outside like it's all retired people who are Like
Speaker 1: some person said that the details that were like in
Speaker 1: the in that like that signal thread were like rise
Speaker 1: to like being court martialed in any normal instance.
Speaker 6: Well, that's has a person as high up as the
Speaker 6: vice president ever like openly like that's against international law.
Speaker 6: Isn't it to be like he just walked into his
Speaker 6: girlfriend's house and then we leveled the house. Excellent, Like
Speaker 6: that feels, Jack, feels like a killing of an innocent person.
Speaker 2: Jack, what are you talking about? This is America? Man,
Speaker 2: We don't I know you, but like.
Speaker 1: Watch to collapse on innocent people and the media can't
Speaker 1: be fucking bothered one, I know, I know.
Speaker 6: But have we technically ever had them, Like yes, we've
Speaker 6: seen like the wiki leak stuff where like people like
Speaker 6: entire wedding party parties are bombed and they're like Roger,
Speaker 6: but you don't have like Biden on the on wax
Speaker 6: being like hell yeah, brother, yeah, like like say excellent
Speaker 6: as a response to like he just walked into his
Speaker 6: girlfriend's place.
Speaker 2: Now it's leveled and excellent.
Speaker 6: Just feels like a new level of like you just
Speaker 6: did you just did it.
Speaker 8: That's you're the that's not a slow down, slow down,
Speaker 8: you're turning me on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's easy easy. Don't touch it, don't touch it,
Speaker 2: don't don't touch it.
Speaker 1: Just don't move, don't move, don't move, don't fuck fuck
Speaker 1: up fuck okay, all.
Speaker 2: Right, just give me like twenty minutes.
Speaker 6: Oh ship, all right, so we'll see see where he
Speaker 6: gets on to the bottom of his own fuck up,
Speaker 6: my own astating.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean they have.
Speaker 1: I mean they have started to be like it's it
Speaker 1: must have been a low level official like there they've
Speaker 1: there's been mention of some other person.
Speaker 4: I'm either away at the end of the day. There's
Speaker 4: people who have an aptitude for computers and there's people
Speaker 4: who don't.
Speaker 6: Yep, And if Baron's not in charge of it, I
Speaker 6: can't be blamed. You know, you're playing with fire if
Speaker 6: you're not running everything back.
Speaker 2: Baron, even an.
Speaker 1: I message you know it'll be like Jack added Andrew
Speaker 1: to the group chat at eight thirty nine. People, I
Speaker 1: mean be like, okay, you know I'm talking about that
Speaker 1: sort of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my parents, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 8: I've definitely had friends who have like been talking about
Speaker 8: someone and they accidentally texted to that person, you know.
Speaker 7: To that person the thing. I always hear about that thing.
Speaker 6: I always hear about someone saying something about someone and
Speaker 6: there's like a weird like wiring in the brain where
Speaker 6: you just like send it to that person. I've heard
Speaker 6: multiple people, but I've never heard somebody just randomly adding
Speaker 6: the wrong number to a massive thing. But except for
Speaker 6: on Fox News over the past three days, where they're
Speaker 6: all like.
Speaker 2: I do this all the time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like Jesse Waters is like hypothetical of like we've
Speaker 6: all added grandma to the bachelor party thing and suddenly
Speaker 6: she's getting twelve consecutive dick pics because that's what we
Speaker 6: do with our bachelor party.
Speaker 2: Bros.
Speaker 8: Just watched the movie from like ten years ago with
Speaker 8: that exact plot point of texting the wrong person.
Speaker 4: When you're talking shit about them. It was The Intern,
Speaker 4: the movie with Vince Faught.
Speaker 6: No, no, yeah, The Intern is Robert de Niro, Haway
Speaker 6: and Hathaway.
Speaker 8: So Anne Hathaway is talking about her mom and she
Speaker 8: accidentally emails it to her mom, and then Robert de
Speaker 8: Niro has to break into her mom's house and get
Speaker 8: into her computer and delete the email.
Speaker 4: So this is something we covered fifteen years ago. And
Speaker 4: in the de Niro movie, Yeah, you can't be inviting
Speaker 4: the wrong person to the group check.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and that's probably their favorite movie her mind.
Speaker 2: An Hathaway's mom does come back from Robert de Niro
Speaker 2: has to kill her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it turned into a different kind of movie.
Speaker 2: Kind of fucked up.
Speaker 6: The deleted scenes from both that movie and uh, Meet
Speaker 6: the Parents, just the bodies that he's leaving in his way.
Speaker 4: Adam Devine has to help Robert.
Speaker 2: Process of course.
Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, let's take a quick break and we'll
Speaker 6: be back.
Speaker 7: And we're back, and.
Speaker 6: There's a new trick that you can do with your phone.
Speaker 6: You take a photo, turn it into it makes it
Speaker 6: look like it's animated by a studio ghibli and it's fun.
Speaker 6: There we go, moving on. Oh wait a second, it's from.
Speaker 2: Open Ai that or at least they're involved, and they're.
Speaker 7: Spike in the football.
Speaker 6: In this one, there's a post from Sam Altman that
Speaker 6: says this was a real labor of love from at
Speaker 6: a bunch of names. Gaby Goo, congrats Gabe, excellent work.
Speaker 6: Here's what we generated during the live stream. And then
Speaker 6: it's a anime looking image of the three people who
Speaker 6: were on the live stream talking about this new technology
Speaker 6: that they're introducing, and the main focus is giving the
Speaker 6: AOK sign and he has four fingers. He's only got
Speaker 6: four fingers on his hand.
Speaker 1: Which is doubly offensive to Japanese audiences. You know, they
Speaker 1: had to the Simpsons UH to not offend people with
Speaker 1: the with the missing digit. So I love that there.
Speaker 1: It's the AI is offensive on so many levels, and
Speaker 1: I love that, Like going back to Hayamiyazaki's just initial
Speaker 1: brush with AI animation and how it fucking destroyed his soul.
Speaker 2: I think it all fits together very perfectly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So first of all, swish on that one, Sam Altman.
Speaker 6: Sam Altman, we've talked about before. UH has been for
Speaker 6: like a decade now, like all the all the fears around, like.
Speaker 2: AI is going to actually kill us, it's gonna be
Speaker 2: like Terminator.
Speaker 7: He's been like really a big part of that.
Speaker 6: Like he there's a New Yorker interview in the early
Speaker 6: days of like A where he's he tells the person
Speaker 6: who's interviewing him that he keeps a poison capsule on
Speaker 6: him in case the robots like takeover. He's dead serious,
Speaker 6: and the journals was like, damn, Doug, that's that's crazy
Speaker 6: for real. And yeah, he's just completely full of shit.
Speaker 6: He's not like he's not a coder or anything like that,
Speaker 6: Like he just is somebody with a tech prid.
Speaker 2: But he's got ideas. Man. He recently just announced that fucking.
Speaker 1: Stargate like super Center, like a five half trillion dollar
Speaker 1: thing in Texas that's gonna run open Ais just Ai models.
Speaker 2: It's very very freaky and earth destroying.
Speaker 1: But just this quote from Hayao Miyazaki, the guy who
Speaker 1: is the head, like the person who gave us studio
Speaker 1: GHIBLI that people so.
Speaker 2: Want, like are so into recreating.
Speaker 1: He was shown a video of like an AI animation
Speaker 1: and he this is his response. It was just like
Speaker 1: a fucked up, weird animation.
Speaker 2: That was quote. It uses his head like a leg.
Speaker 1: The movement is so creepy and could be applied to
Speaker 1: a zombie video game, like it was just a weird thing.
Speaker 6: This was me a person presenting it was like, so,
Speaker 6: they're like, it looks like dancing. It's moving by its head.
Speaker 6: It doesn't doesn't feel any pain and has no concept
Speaker 6: of protecting its head.
Speaker 2: These its head like a leg like.
Speaker 6: They're they're really trying to They're like, there's some strange
Speaker 6: beauty in this Ai animation of this, like zombie body
Speaker 6: that's like moving in a really unnatural way.
Speaker 1: The video of it is wild because the guy's face
Speaker 1: changes when Miyazaki starts being like, this is disturbing. This
Speaker 1: is what he said quote every morning, not in recent days.
Speaker 1: I see my friend who has a disability. It's so
Speaker 1: hard for him just to do a high five. His
Speaker 1: arm with stiff muscle can't reach out to my hand. Now,
Speaker 1: thinking of him, I can't watch this stuff and find
Speaker 1: it interesting. Whoever creates this stuff has no idea what
Speaker 1: pain is. I am utterly disgusted. If you really want
Speaker 1: to make creepy stuff, you can go ahead and do it.
Speaker 1: But I would never wish to incorporate this technology into
Speaker 1: my work at I strongly feel that this is an
Speaker 1: insult to life itself. I feel like we are nearing
Speaker 1: the end of times. We humans are losing faith in ourselves.
Speaker 6: That is, we humans are losing faith in ourselves. Is
Speaker 6: a great description of like I feel like a thing
Speaker 6: that we're seeing just across the board, right, just people
Speaker 6: being like, I don't know, our new book is let them.
Speaker 6: That's like the new popular Oprah like pop psych idea
Speaker 6: where it's like you just let people kind of do
Speaker 6: whatever they want, no big guilty, you just don't. Don't
Speaker 6: let it mess with your happiness. Let them, you know.
Speaker 2: So what just ignore the fuckery?
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 7: Yeah, let them let them do that.
Speaker 6: That's just call it, because otherwise it's gonna it's gonna
Speaker 6: mess with your happiness, Miles, mess with your happiness.
Speaker 7: Let them do whatever they want.
Speaker 2: Mel Robbins, my dear child, you should just call them
Speaker 2: the book. Ignore the fuckery, but.
Speaker 6: You ignore that voice in your head that says this
Speaker 6: is bad, it is bad, this.
Speaker 2: Is all terrible.
Speaker 4: The end of morality should be the name of that book.
Speaker 9: I know.
Speaker 8: And I just was in you know, I just was
Speaker 8: traveling in Japan and I went to the studio ghibli
Speaker 8: Museum and it's like, it's it's interesting that this technology
Speaker 8: is being used to emulate his work because it's like,
Speaker 8: as you said, he has such strong opinions about it.
Speaker 8: But also like the museum itself is really really magical
Speaker 8: and they don't allow any photos inside, and it's clearly
Speaker 8: a company that like prides itself on like magical experiences
Speaker 8: that can't be translated to technology.
Speaker 4: Like the entire museum is like no photos.
Speaker 8: Like it's very strict about that, and I think it's
Speaker 8: just so sad to see that, you know, realm of
Speaker 8: art being emulated in this way that is so soulless
Speaker 8: and discibing.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, like you know, I've been to the
Speaker 1: Ghibli Museum too, and there's like that one room where
Speaker 1: you see sort of Miyazaki's case studies on things like
Speaker 1: how he would try and draw horse running or these
Speaker 1: other things, and like you're like, damn, like there's a
Speaker 1: reason why these animated things were so different in good
Speaker 1: like there was such an emphasis on developing like what
Speaker 1: this animation style could be. And I'm just like that
Speaker 1: quote really just sticks with me when he says that
Speaker 1: we have lost humanity, has lost faith in itself, because
Speaker 1: it just feels like we were completely devaluing skills now,
Speaker 1: and AI is just the latest tool in like circumventing,
Speaker 1: like just truly the art of honing a skill, no
Speaker 1: matter what it is, but in this very narrow context,
Speaker 1: like like illustration or doing certain kinds of art, where
Speaker 1: the repetition of it helps, like that is part of
Speaker 1: the experience, and a lot of people like, I'm not
Speaker 1: really interested that. I just want to make, you know,
Speaker 1: I want to make fucking weird memes that look like
Speaker 1: gibbli and.
Speaker 8: There the AI stuff is really dark because I people
Speaker 8: I really respect are like, I don't feel like many
Speaker 8: people have a strong moral framework around AI, Like.
Speaker 4: People have opinions about it, but they still use it.
Speaker 8: Like I've personally never used chat GPT, and I never
Speaker 8: I don't want to ever use it because I'm just like,
Speaker 8: all I read is negative stuff about both it being
Speaker 8: wrong in a lot of ways and giving you incorrect
Speaker 8: information and bad for the environment and all these things.
Speaker 8: But then I have a lot of people who are
Speaker 8: friends of mine who say those same things but then
Speaker 8: still use it pretty regularly. And I'm like, I think
Speaker 8: we need to like have like a almost like a
Speaker 8: you know, like a virginity ring kind of thing, you know,
Speaker 8: like with AI or I don't fuck with that at all, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: or something, just because I feel like people I respect
Speaker 8: are still using it, and I'm like, I thought we
Speaker 8: all agree that this is bad, but then people are
Speaker 8: and maybe they just want to be aware of it
Speaker 8: and like understand what's happening. And I kind of can
Speaker 8: respect that, but I'm just like, I'm not going to
Speaker 8: use it.
Speaker 4: I just I'm out. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I see, I see like the time saving
Speaker 1: parts where like if you are in like I know
Speaker 1: people who do a lot of like grant proposals and things,
Speaker 1: and the amount of time it'll cut down to merely
Speaker 1: just sort of like do the labor of like articulating something.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, like you're not taking your own job
Speaker 1: away by doing that or whatever.
Speaker 2: But then you see other people yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Like again as a tool, fine if it works, but
Speaker 1: again that's where it's like you don't need all these
Speaker 1: like data centers that are going to burn the earth
Speaker 1: down for that kind of shit. But it's all I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the hype around it too is just it's it's.
Speaker 6: Getting more and more intense as a tool for people.
Speaker 6: It's being pitched as a way to replace people.
Speaker 4: I mean, I went to a college.
Speaker 8: I did stand up at a college recently, and I
Speaker 8: asked the crowd, just like out of curiosity, like, how
Speaker 8: many if you use chet GBT regularly for to cut
Speaker 8: down on the amount of work you're supposed to do
Speaker 8: for school? Every single person raised our hands, and I'm like,
Speaker 8: and I'm like, I wonder how your parents would feel
Speaker 8: like they're all spending money, or some of them at
Speaker 8: least are spending their money to put you in college,
Speaker 8: and you're wasting that opportunity to have a chiller time,
Speaker 8: you know.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 8: It just felt like you're not going to learn as
Speaker 8: much if this resource is offloading the work and making
Speaker 8: your life so much easier.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It just it's hard for me to accuse those kids
Speaker 2: of cutting corners.
Speaker 1: I was blacked out on, I was blacked out on
Speaker 1: Xanax mostly college.
Speaker 8: I judging it individually, I just mean like collectively, it's
Speaker 8: a little sad that, like the sure the prize of
Speaker 8: learning is offloaded to this machine.
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's just like a.
Speaker 7: Lot of things that yeah, we've just.
Speaker 6: That used to be a thing that you would battle against,
Speaker 6: like the academic institutions would battle against, and I'm sure
Speaker 6: they're battling a little bit, but I feel like there's
Speaker 6: just this overall like as we've just let corporations take
Speaker 6: over as like the only force that actually like matters
Speaker 6: in the world over the past, like you know, handful
Speaker 6: of decades, like as long as I've been alive, essentially,
Speaker 6: and just like all regulation of these corporations have been
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 7: Thrown out the window.
Speaker 6: Now everyone is just like, well, yeah, that's okay. We
Speaker 6: could fight against it, but like that's unrealistic. We're just
Speaker 6: being like it's now like just giving up on any
Speaker 6: sort of pushback, any sort of like you know, putting
Speaker 6: things in place to stop these things that are like
Speaker 6: devaluing our lives, and like how how things are done
Speaker 6: is just viewed as like childish or idealistic or and
Speaker 6: like that just didn't used to be the case. I
Speaker 6: was listening to this episode of the podcast, the Blind
Speaker 6: Boy Podcast, and he was talking about how his favorite
Speaker 6: example of neoliberalism like being like Reaganite like neoliberalism and
Speaker 6: like you know, basically just letting everything be privatized and
Speaker 6: turned over to corporations.
Speaker 7: Is when like in the seventies it was.
Speaker 6: Illegal for companies to advertise to children, like there was
Speaker 6: just a law that put a regulation in place. And
Speaker 6: then by the time you know, the eighties rolled around,
Speaker 6: all the cartoons and shit that I watched were toy commercials.
Speaker 6: It was like Transformers and it was just like design
Speaker 6: but it was like not super offensive because like they
Speaker 6: had stories and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But then like.
Speaker 6: After that first after they like make that get past
Speaker 6: that first barrier, you know, fast forward thirty years later
Speaker 6: and like my kids, like I have to like keep
Speaker 6: them off of these devices that are being pitched to
Speaker 6: them all day every day that are just like, yeah,
Speaker 6: your kid's brain is basically like profit center for us,
Speaker 6: and we've turned their lives into like a giant casino,
Speaker 6: you know. So I understand why people are just like, yeah,
Speaker 6: to push back on this stuff is silly because it's
Speaker 6: not gonna work. But like it has worked in the past.
Speaker 6: We've lost but like I don't think that like we
Speaker 6: have to lose it, Like it'll probably have to get
Speaker 6: worse before people realize that like something can be done.
Speaker 6: But it's it is just like so cynical and like
Speaker 6: we have had regulations in place to like keep shit
Speaker 6: like this from ruining everybody's lives in the past. It's
Speaker 6: just now we've just taken it for granted that corporations
Speaker 6: will be able to do whatever the fuck they want,
Speaker 6: and what they want to do will inevitably like make
Speaker 6: all of our lives worse.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and it happens in so many ways too, Like
Speaker 8: even a few years ago when these private companies were
Speaker 8: just like, hey, we're going to completely change the info
Speaker 8: structure of every major city by releasing thousands of scooters
Speaker 8: all over the city that people can rent for ten
Speaker 8: minutes at a time. And it's like no, no, like
Speaker 8: government were even contacted of like hey is this allowed.
Speaker 8: They were just like, hey, this is the thing now,
Speaker 8: and it like totally changed traffic and everything. And then
Speaker 8: eventually certain governments were like, hey, we don't want this
Speaker 8: on our streets and this fucking stuff up. But the
Speaker 8: company didn't ask for permission first. I'm pretty sure it
Speaker 8: just like came in and did it. And I think
Speaker 8: that's a perfect example of just like.
Speaker 6: Move fast and break stee Yeah it's true, Yeah, it's really,
Speaker 6: but that sounds.
Speaker 4: Changes things on such a fundamental level.
Speaker 2: And then just like the only people have to deal
Speaker 2: with it is er doctors.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they were just like, holy shit, we have like
Speaker 6: fifteen people in here every night from riding around on
Speaker 6: these scooters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of broken ankles.
Speaker 1: They're just reading this like article in the American Prospect
Speaker 1: about the AI bubble and like what that bubble.
Speaker 2: Pop looks like. But there's just one line.
Speaker 1: I blew my mind to quote between vcs, big tech
Speaker 1: and power utilities, the bill for Jenner AI comes out
Speaker 1: to close to two trillion dollars in spending over the
Speaker 1: next five years alone. Oh easy, Holy shit, dude, Like,
Speaker 1: and that's the thing when you have that much sort
Speaker 1: of institutional money saying this has to work there it's
Speaker 1: just gonna I don't know, like, I don't know how
Speaker 1: they solve this, because again, all this is about, well,
Speaker 1: how does it how do we get a return on
Speaker 1: all this money we're spending, because it can't just be
Speaker 1: chat GPT subscriptions, Like Sam Altman is saying, yeah, and
Speaker 1: that and that's why you know we've covered that more.
Speaker 1: People like Goldman were like Goldman Sacks is like, bro,
Speaker 1: this shit ain't gonna fucking start making money.
Speaker 6: Well, what are they like, what would be worth that
Speaker 6: amount of expenditure. It would be replacing the humans so
Speaker 6: you don't have to pay employees.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 7: That's essentially what it is.
Speaker 6: The thing that AI used to be about, like in
Speaker 6: philosophy in the nineties and like early two thousands, was
Speaker 6: this idea of the singularity and like humans being replaced
Speaker 6: by this hyper intelligence that would you know, be beyond
Speaker 6: their scope of understanding. And I think like we've essentially
Speaker 6: done that with capitalism, Like the corporations have replaced us,
Speaker 6: and now they're just like trying to get rid of us.
Speaker 6: Like that's what this is all about, is they're trying.
Speaker 6: They're spending two trillion dollars in the hopes that this
Speaker 6: technology will make it so they don't have to spend
Speaker 6: money on labor anymore.
Speaker 1: But like cause they point to like productivity, there was
Speaker 1: another thing in that article about how they were shong
Speaker 1: there was no real discernible productivity gains even for people
Speaker 1: in coding that were using chat GPT, and then on
Speaker 1: top of it, it would create like the time they
Speaker 1: saved using it, they would it would then be recouped
Speaker 1: in having to correct errors.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's exactly what I tell my friends. He uses
Speaker 4: it all the time, and I'm like, but the information
Speaker 4: is giving you is wrong, and then you spend more
Speaker 4: time fact checking it, and I'm like, well, how is
Speaker 4: this saving time? If it's like you ask it what
Speaker 4: day of the week you know is Russiashana and it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's going to be on a Tuesday, And then you
Speaker 4: look on a calendar it's oh, actually starts on a Wednesday.
Speaker 4: It's just wrong about the most basic stuff. It's crazy,
Speaker 4: what do you It's wrong so much. It's like what
Speaker 4: time is it in la and it's like off by
Speaker 4: an hour.
Speaker 2: It's just like always wrong. It's like off by like seventeen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean. My favorite example from this past year was.
Speaker 6: The Super Bowl ad where Google was advertising their AI technology,
Speaker 6: and the premise of the ad was here's a cheese farmer.
Speaker 6: He can't write for shit, He's all thumbs when it
Speaker 6: comes to like writing copy for his product. However, you
Speaker 6: can use Google AI to like write the copy. And
Speaker 6: the copy that they show on the screen is like
Speaker 6: a fact about how Gouda cheese is responsible for fifty
Speaker 6: five percent of all cheese sales around the world, and
Speaker 6: that is like actually something that Google a I would
Speaker 6: have told you. But it's like obviously fake, like Jesus
Speaker 6: close to being like the most populous, like and they
Speaker 6: just got it from like some random fucking website that
Speaker 6: their and that was in the Super had to fix
Speaker 6: it before the Super Bowl, but it was in their
Speaker 6: Super Bowl commercial that they released, and then yeah, like they.
Speaker 2: Just it sucked.
Speaker 6: Its job is just doing making bigger and more mind
Speaker 6: boggling errors than we could have possibly imagined five years ago.
Speaker 2: That's what I was.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I had to argue with my friend yesterday about
Speaker 8: this when we were texting about it, and I was like,
Speaker 8: I don't use it.
Speaker 4: It's wrong about a lot of stuff.
Speaker 8: And he's like, well, it's like you're it's like you're
Speaker 8: in the nineties refusing to use email even though.
Speaker 4: It's clearly the future. And I said back, I said, yeah.
Speaker 8: Only if the email rearranged all the letters after you
Speaker 8: sent it to your friend and it was like a
Speaker 8: complete jumbled mess, like if email was like that in
Speaker 8: the nineties, Yeah, I wouldn't be using it doesn't work exactly.
Speaker 8: And I'm sure this chattybec stuff will be better in
Speaker 8: the future, but for now, I'm just like, it's wrong
Speaker 8: about stuff.
Speaker 4: Why would I use it?
Speaker 6: I'm not so sure it will I mean, yeah, probably,
Speaker 6: I think they'll find better.
Speaker 2: Uses for it.
Speaker 6: Is probably what I'm thinking. Like, but research like fundamentally
Speaker 6: the large language models, their whole reason for existing or
Speaker 6: their whole like methodology is trying to tell you what
Speaker 6: it thinks you want to hear.
Speaker 8: It's not actually AI, right, It's like it's like a
Speaker 8: box that just takes every word ever written and is like,
Speaker 8: here's the most likely of words, right, yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's the autocorrect function, and it's actually auto incorrect.
Speaker 4: Auto concrete center, yeah yeah, auto incorrect.
Speaker 7: Like auto crest. It does that is AI Autos talk a.
Speaker 1: Lot about the fall of the George Foreman Empire, and
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Speaker 8: My name is Andrew Mashan M I C H A
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Speaker 4: I don't really use it.
Speaker 8: And then I have a podcast called podcasts, but outside
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Speaker 8: five six years at this point. It's pretty fun. We
Speaker 8: just talked to random people. They share their stories of
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Speaker 8: Nick Kroll, lots of different people, and it's ultimately just
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Speaker 4: About their lives.
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Speaker 7: It's a great show.
Speaker 2: You go check it out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 2: Is there a work of media that you've been enjoying
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Speaker 4: You know?
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Speaker 4: Did you guys have you seen.
Speaker 7: All hearing a ton about this? Yeah?
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Speaker 8: any chance?
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Speaker 8: I don't know how old You're kids are Scavenger's Rain
Speaker 8: I think could be enjoyable for a young kid. It's
Speaker 8: not like adult content or anything. I think Common Side
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Speaker 8: Scavengers Rain is sci fi. It's like really inventive and
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Speaker 2: Hearing great things about that.
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Speaker 6: We also link off to a song that we think
Speaker 6: you might enjoy. Hey, Miles, is there a song that
Speaker 6: you think people might enjoy?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: I just stumbled on this album by the artist Natalie Bergman.
Speaker 1: The track is called keep Those Tear Drops From Falling,
Speaker 1: and it's from like this she like self recorded this album,
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm instantly in when I hear an artist
Speaker 1: has like self recorded entire album, because again, I love skills.
Speaker 2: I love people that owne skills, even for their passion
Speaker 2: for music.
Speaker 1: And she wrote this like sort of ep after like
Speaker 1: a terrible tragedy with her with her father and stepmother
Speaker 1: passing away, and like wrote this album. But this song
Speaker 1: like has like a lightness to it even though it's
Speaker 1: about kind of like a very dark time in her life,
Speaker 1: and it's really chill and when you realize, like this
Speaker 1: is self recorded, it just has like it just feels
Speaker 1: very alive. So this is Natalie Bergman with the track
Speaker 1: keep those Tear Drops from following.
Speaker 2: That was the back up name for the book Let Them.
Speaker 7: Yeah, those teardrops.
Speaker 1: Folks catch them, they just catch them in your hands.
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