WEBVTT - Ep. 74: Gloves Off, Jet Boat Cowboy

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<v Speaker 1>Who are you when you get on this jet boat?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like you get on it and you

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<v Speaker 1>just like become Stebo all of a sudden, John, I

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<v Speaker 1>had toilet paper, just for toilet paper, point blank. Our

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<v Speaker 1>beloved Phil responded with, if I take a shot every

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<v Speaker 1>time someone says yeah, man, will I die? If you're

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<v Speaker 1>scared to go to church, if you're broke, don't message

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<v Speaker 1>me O b O Trades. Welcome, good morning to Generate Anglers,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to Bent, the fishing podcast that promised itself

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<v Speaker 1>it would be more financially responsible in the new year,

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<v Speaker 1>but already bought two tack to bite fish calls on

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<v Speaker 1>Impulse from the as scene on TV and cap at

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<v Speaker 1>Walgreen's I'm Joe Surmeli and I'm Hayden Sam Mac and

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<v Speaker 1>Happy New Year, de Generate. It's into you two man,

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<v Speaker 1>Happy new year. Here we are in sixty five new opportunities,

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<v Speaker 1>Am I right? You know what I mean? And we

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<v Speaker 1>certainly we hope you guys had a wonderful holiday and

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<v Speaker 1>created beautiful memories with your friends and family. The uh

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like the vaccinated and boosted ones. I guess anyway, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and and this week week. This week, we've got we've

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<v Speaker 1>got a bunch of of new stuff for the new

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<v Speaker 1>year coming at you. We've got a new segment, we've

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<v Speaker 1>got new guests, new co host. You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>You're still you're stuck with Hayden. Um. But really, we

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<v Speaker 1>we are very excited for the new year and the

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<v Speaker 1>new season. I guess is this a new season? Is

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<v Speaker 1>this a new year making new season? Is that right?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know. That's what they tell me. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know it is officia. I should really check with

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<v Speaker 1>somebody about that, but I don't know what freaking difference

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<v Speaker 1>it makes. We'll go with that, we'll say it, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>say this new season of Bent. But before we get

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<v Speaker 1>to all that, UM, you know, we we've been on

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a break at meeting over the holiday.

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<v Speaker 1>They give us a nice break, Hayden and I and

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<v Speaker 1>um as all you guys know. I think by now,

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<v Speaker 1>while Hayden lives in Montana, he's a Pennsylvania boy, and

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<v Speaker 1>despite our best efforts, we had every intention of linking

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<v Speaker 1>up while you were back here on the East Coast

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<v Speaker 1>for the holidays, and that did not happen. Um, you

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<v Speaker 1>want to explain, why should we tell the good people

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<v Speaker 1>what what what went down? Well, let's start at the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, we'll go from there. That could take a

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<v Speaker 1>little while, but go ahead, go from the beginning. Yeah. So,

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<v Speaker 1>uh so we had planned to go fishing, like basically

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as I got home, but my flights got

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<v Speaker 1>all messed up and that never happened. So I came

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<v Speaker 1>in like a day later. Um, You, however, did go

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<v Speaker 1>out that day and you had a wonderful day on

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<v Speaker 1>the water. Yeah. So the day that you were stuck

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<v Speaker 1>in Houston, I was floating a local river and just

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<v Speaker 1>crushed some monster wild browns, including my personal best. So yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that was that was strike one for you, and I

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<v Speaker 1>thank you Airlines. That hurt. Um, so, yeah, I missed that.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we had a plan to do a little tagging,

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<v Speaker 1>which I was really you know, you and I have

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this multiple times. I was very excited about that. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But despite the forecast looking lovely just a few days prior,

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<v Speaker 1>ship got super nasty and we wisely scrabbed, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we scrapped the trip However, we did make plans to

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<v Speaker 1>hit the TOG grounds when I got back from a

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<v Speaker 1>little Steelhead trip. I was going to take the following week.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was very hopeful for that happening. Yeah. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so we we we pushed TOG by a week. We

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<v Speaker 1>rescheduled because that's just December. Three days out it looks great,

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<v Speaker 1>and the night before it's like shit. So yeah, a

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<v Speaker 1>little rescheduled there and then and then what happens. Uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm trying to stop saying yeah man. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you I don't know if you've seen

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<v Speaker 1>the comments, but folks are picking up us. Yeah, starting

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<v Speaker 1>half of our thoughts with yeah man. In fact, when

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<v Speaker 1>I put out the call to uh, you know, for listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>for to get questions on our i G the other day,

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<v Speaker 1>our beloved Phil responded with, if I take a shot

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<v Speaker 1>every time someone says yeah, man, will I die? Yeah? Man,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you would, yeah man. Uh yeah. So anyhow,

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<v Speaker 1>after that, let's see, Uh, I had my thirtieth birthday, rats,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, a wonderful Christmas, and then I caught COVID completely.

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<v Speaker 1>Just everything else up, including uh, the Steelhead trip and

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<v Speaker 1>the tag rain date so I ended up just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like isolating in a cabin for the remainder of

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<v Speaker 1>my visit until I tested negative. So it was I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it was fine but not great. Yeah, I hope, I

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<v Speaker 1>hope yours was better. Uh what did you get up to, Joe? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I did a little brown trout fishing. I also did

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<v Speaker 1>some dogging. Um no, I'm I'm I'm I'm kidding of course.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, we're supposed to go to the Wednesday after Christmas,

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<v Speaker 1>and I got the call on Monday that it was like,

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<v Speaker 1>hey man, so here's the thing I have COVID. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, holy ship. And here's why I said

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<v Speaker 1>holy sh it, because you were like the nine hundred

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<v Speaker 1>person that said that to me over the holidays. So

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<v Speaker 1>we we had a nice holiday with kids in the family.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, it's in the back of your mind,

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<v Speaker 1>like all right, whereas my COVID it's coming and and

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<v Speaker 1>so far here we are like me and my family

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<v Speaker 1>have have skated. But um, you know, funny, funny thing. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>we ended up going on that talg trip, the one

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<v Speaker 1>you missed, and I was the I think I was

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<v Speaker 1>the only guy on the boat that had not already

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<v Speaker 1>had COVID and gotten over it, and we're like, was

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<v Speaker 1>was negative and I was actually jealous. I'm like, damn it,

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<v Speaker 1>I want my COVID. Like, let's just get it over

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<v Speaker 1>with already. You know what I'm saying. But it was

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<v Speaker 1>a good break. It was nice time, good holiday. Well

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<v Speaker 1>that's great man. You know, I'm glad to hear you

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<v Speaker 1>and your family had such a happy holiday. Dude, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad you at least, you know, got to have yourself

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<v Speaker 1>a merry little Christmas. I I imagine you're excited to

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<v Speaker 1>head back to Montana. Yeah. All my flights back home

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<v Speaker 1>just keep getting serially canceled. Um, so the joy continues. Um. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's fair to point out, since you just

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned that you're not there yet, you're heading back, this

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<v Speaker 1>is after the new year, and you are still in

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<v Speaker 1>Pennsylvania because your flight flights have been canceled so many times.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still stuck here. But you know, if there's one

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<v Speaker 1>thing that is cheering me up a little bit, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all my friends. They've been posting ice fishing pictures.

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<v Speaker 1>All the lakes of Montana are basically frozen up, and

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<v Speaker 1>that means that pretty soon I'm going to be out

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<v Speaker 1>on the ice, and I'm particularly excited about that. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think you know why, well I do. I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. One reason is because you were hoping to

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<v Speaker 1>maybe ice fish while you were home, and I kept

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<v Speaker 1>telling you, bro, it's sixty five degrees here. There is

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<v Speaker 1>no ice between here and Buffalo, I promise. Um. But

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<v Speaker 1>I also imagine you're itching to use some of that

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<v Speaker 1>sweet gear you got from thirteen fishing? Is that the reason?

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<v Speaker 1>Very much? So? I've been just like patiently waiting since

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<v Speaker 1>the day I got it to break it out, and

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like the time is finally here. Um. I

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<v Speaker 1>know I've said it at least twice on here, but

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<v Speaker 1>those finesse bates they sent over are just like the

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<v Speaker 1>fishiest things I've ever seen. Oh yeah, dude, And how

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<v Speaker 1>cool were those flash bangs? Right? That's exactly and that

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<v Speaker 1>is exactly what I was thinking of. Those are like,

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<v Speaker 1>by far my favorites. I just think that they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>like well made, you know, uh, Like you get one

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<v Speaker 1>in your hand and you're just like yep, yep. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just jump in real quick and say that even the

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<v Speaker 1>small soft plastics made for ice fishing, dude, I was

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<v Speaker 1>using a few open water for crop ease over holiday break,

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<v Speaker 1>like the Yeah. And they also don't cost like a

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<v Speaker 1>ship toney either, you know, I think I think the

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<v Speaker 1>flashbangs or eight bucks. It seems like you go to

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<v Speaker 1>like a tackle shop those still exists. You go to

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<v Speaker 1>a tackle shop and you buy like a buck tail

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, and they're all like hands spun with unicorn

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<v Speaker 1>maine and like made with lead from Mars, and they

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<v Speaker 1>all caused like a hundred bucks. You know, these babies

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<v Speaker 1>are the working man's jigging spoon, right the discerning working

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<v Speaker 1>man's jigging spoon right there. Yes, exactly, Well, yes, super

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<v Speaker 1>super good deal, um, And I'm sorry you had kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a shitty trip out here, and I'm glad you're

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<v Speaker 1>healthy and getting after it sooner on the hard water.

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<v Speaker 1>But i'll tell you what, as shitty as your trip

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<v Speaker 1>may have been, it wasn't anywhere near as shitty in

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<v Speaker 1>the literal sense as the trip that our colleague, former

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<v Speaker 1>guiding good friend Michael come on, that's actually his last name, like,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, man um in this week's Snooth Moves. Why

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<v Speaker 1>all right, So we're here with my buddy Michael Common,

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<v Speaker 1>who is our partnerships coordinator over here meat eater, but

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<v Speaker 1>was also for many years a fish And I just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna jump in and say, I just learned this, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I work with Mike, although like digitally because I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>in Montana, I'm like the East Coast Milton with my

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<v Speaker 1>stapler out here. So I had no idea that Mike

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<v Speaker 1>was a fishing guy. Like we email frequently about all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of things fishing and work related, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>he was a guide. What all the time we've emailed

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth, Joe, It's nice to finally put a

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<v Speaker 1>face with the name. He was just telling me he

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<v Speaker 1>went he bought a Chuck Norris lore which was on

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<v Speaker 1>end of the line, and at my recommendation, it took

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<v Speaker 1>it to Costa Rica and banged a bunch of mahi

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<v Speaker 1>on it. Oh ship, sure did Joe's on it with

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<v Speaker 1>the Chuck Norris Chuck. Anyway, this is cool. It was

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<v Speaker 1>surprising and cool, and I'm like, I'm I'm pumped that

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing this. Where were you guiding? Man? Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>was a bad country guide for many years, so I

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<v Speaker 1>guided in Wyoming and in Montana here mostly in the

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Marshall Wilderness and then also wrote a boat for

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<v Speaker 1>quite a few years here in the Bozeman area. So

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<v Speaker 1>on the Yellowstone River and the Madison River, and fish

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<v Speaker 1>a lot on the Galton Nice, So right in the

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<v Speaker 1>thick of it, right like right in like like the

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<v Speaker 1>most overcrowded rivers in the state. That yeah, where we

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<v Speaker 1>have lots of competition. And you know, you have a

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<v Speaker 1>better odds of finding a fishing guide than you do

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<v Speaker 1>have probably anything else here in Montana. You know, as

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<v Speaker 1>you started asking around people, you know, it's, uh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty pretty thick crowd here in town. Yep. So,

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<v Speaker 1>so Joe, Mike was telling me this story when we

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<v Speaker 1>were we were actually elkhin when you told me this story,

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<v Speaker 1>and I immediately knew Joe has to hear this because

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<v Speaker 1>this is just perfect. I have no idea what's coming,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm I can't wait. I trust you, man, I

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<v Speaker 1>trust you. I can't wait to hear this. That's right

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<v Speaker 1>up your alley. Shoot lay it, honest, dude. So as

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<v Speaker 1>we all know, you know, as a as a guide,

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<v Speaker 1>we we try and do as much as we can

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<v Speaker 1>for our clients all the time, and sometimes we do

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<v Speaker 1>that unbeknowing what actually might happen. So on this particular day,

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<v Speaker 1>we had a couple of clients. We were doing a

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<v Speaker 1>walk away trip, so you know, just on our own

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<v Speaker 1>two feet, kind of walking up and down the river,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh tend to spend more time with one client

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<v Speaker 1>for maybe thirty minutes or an hour, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of bounce back to the other client. So I

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<v Speaker 1>was fishing with two guys this one day. They were

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<v Speaker 1>friends from out of town and um earlier in the day,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the guys that asked me if I had

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<v Speaker 1>a had a pair of gloves that he could borrow.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, sure, of course, you know, I'm you're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna let a guy go with cold hands. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I had an extra pair of gloves today that I

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<v Speaker 1>let him borrow. And uh, you know, I thought year

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<v Speaker 1>was this, Mike? Was it like gloves weather? Obviously glove weather. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It was in Uh, it was in the fall,

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<v Speaker 1>I think. Gosh, I think it was about mid October

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that. So out here in Montana getting

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<v Speaker 1>to that cold time, especially guys out of town, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I I completely forgot that, like only mid July isn't

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<v Speaker 1>glove weather, so it was it was not July, so

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<v Speaker 1>we were wearing glass So so it wasn't out of

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<v Speaker 1>the realm of possibility that he was going to need

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<v Speaker 1>a pair of gloves for the day to to warm

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<v Speaker 1>up his his hands and h especially with cold water

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<v Speaker 1>that we have out here. And uh, so I let

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<v Speaker 1>him borrow with gloves and um, while I was up

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<v Speaker 1>spending time with the other client. Uh, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't think anything of it, and went back to to

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<v Speaker 1>see how this one gentleman was doing a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>later on, and uh, he proceeds to hand me one

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<v Speaker 1>glove back. I like the Michael Jackson thing. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>without the dance moves though, and uh and I asked him,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, well where, John, where did the other glove go?

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<v Speaker 1>And he said, oh, well I had to take a ship.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, okay, well where'd the other glove go? Said? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I needed to wipe my ass with something. Oh I

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<v Speaker 1>would just call that point blank rude. It's just rude,

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<v Speaker 1>So I h yeah, So I just pretty much handed

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<v Speaker 1>him the one glove back and said, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>you can keep it. It's my tip to you. And

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<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, So I also said John, I had toilet paper.

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<v Speaker 1>You could have just asked me for toilet paper, point blank.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't have to go with the glove route. And

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<v Speaker 1>uh so I have quickly learned that if somebody asks

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<v Speaker 1>you to borrow a pair of gloves, ask them what

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to do with it. This is this is

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<v Speaker 1>almost as close as it comes to literally wiping your

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<v Speaker 1>client's ass. Yeah, pretty much. And we haven't had a

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<v Speaker 1>good ship story in a while, so this is very refreshing.

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<v Speaker 1>We were kind of overdue for excrement, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. But that's that's extremely that's extremely rude, and

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<v Speaker 1>like that is why buffs were invented. The only reason

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<v Speaker 1>to ever have a buff on and I don't give

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<v Speaker 1>a ship pardon the pun. If it's a Sims buff

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<v Speaker 1>or a buff buff for whoever everybody make, you can

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<v Speaker 1>buy them at Walgreens. Like that's why you spend that

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<v Speaker 1>money to wear that around your neck, Like that's what

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<v Speaker 1>that's for his toilet paper? Right? Yeah, And like to me,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like that guy. Nobody told that guy if you

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<v Speaker 1>fly fish, you have to wear a buff you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're kind of at fault there too. You should

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<v Speaker 1>have been like, where's your buff well once Orvius I

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<v Speaker 1>guess starts making them. Maybe they'll see on the fly

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<v Speaker 1>fishing team. You know, I think I have an us

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<v Speaker 1>buff or had one. The other thing I'll say too,

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<v Speaker 1>is um as gross as that is and as rude

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<v Speaker 1>as that is. Maybe you guys have the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm weird about fishing with gloves on. I hate it.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate fishing with gloves on, and we'll avoid it

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<v Speaker 1>at all costs. And I have one pair to forget.

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<v Speaker 1>They're kena or what they are, but they weren't anything

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<v Speaker 1>fancy and they're fingerless gloves, and they're the only gloves

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<v Speaker 1>that I am really comfortable fishing in, whether it's saltwater

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<v Speaker 1>fly fishing or whatever. And like they are so precious.

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<v Speaker 1>Because of that, I've basically done everything with them but

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<v Speaker 1>wipe my ass. And like, even if I had to

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<v Speaker 1>wipe my ass with them, I'd have to bag them

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<v Speaker 1>bring them home because like a good pair of fishing gloves,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very hard to find. I would recommend if you

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<v Speaker 1>are going to use a pair of gloves, don't use

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<v Speaker 1>fingerless gloves to wipe your ass. Joe, Well, yeah, if

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<v Speaker 1>it's all in your hand. Wait a minute, now, you

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<v Speaker 1>just you just open up a whole other can of worms.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you do you figure that he used your glove

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<v Speaker 1>like like a single piece of charmante? Or did he

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<v Speaker 1>put his hand in the glove and then wipe his

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<v Speaker 1>ass with the hand in the glove, which would be

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<v Speaker 1>more pressure and probably clear off more ship. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>in my mind, I've just envisioned the hand in the

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<v Speaker 1>glove using it like a glove. This is a horrible,

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<v Speaker 1>horrible conversation. Now it's wonderful. It's absolutely wonderful, and I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate it very much. Dude, what the hell is wrong

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<v Speaker 1>with man? That crazy? I asked myself that question at

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<v Speaker 1>least ten times every time I go out in public.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean. It's mind blowing to meet

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<v Speaker 1>lose a soccer or something, bro use some leaves, something

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<v Speaker 1>anything else. Like I said, this is why buffs were invented,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, That's what they're great for. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>let's move off of this. Let's move off of this topic. Okay, agreed,

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<v Speaker 1>And speaking of wiping, I'm about to wipe the floor

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<v Speaker 1>with you, Joe Sassy. That's right, boys and girls, it's

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<v Speaker 1>time for that weekly competition we call fish news. Fish news.

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<v Speaker 1>That escalated quickly. Alrighty, then first news of how fresh

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<v Speaker 1>and exciting is that? Yeah, a little Ventura bumbaway Juna. Um. Good.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't catch Christmas vacation, but you get Asha Ventura.

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<v Speaker 1>You've heard about the Christmas vacation thing. I know you've

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<v Speaker 1>heard it from several people, but it's impossible for you

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<v Speaker 1>to have not seen that. Um. Before we get started,

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to drop a little plug, if I may, um,

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<v Speaker 1>for a piece that I published on the Meat Eater

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<v Speaker 1>website this week, which is is rare. And I know this.

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<v Speaker 1>I am a right yeah, well it is. I am

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<v Speaker 1>a writer, um that seems to have little time to

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<v Speaker 1>write anymore because I'm busy doing other things. UM, But

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<v Speaker 1>I am trying to get back into that groove a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit this year. Um. And earlier in this this

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<v Speaker 1>very show, you had mentioned the brown trout fishing that

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<v Speaker 1>you missed. Well, the story I posted this week is

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<v Speaker 1>tied to that trip, um. And I'm making the case

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<v Speaker 1>right that if you want to become a better fly

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<v Speaker 1>fisherman with streamers in particular, put down the fly rod

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<v Speaker 1>and throw Laura's in bait. So how's that? What is

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<v Speaker 1>the guy who insists that there's there's no better way

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<v Speaker 1>to catch a trout than with a fly rod have

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<v Speaker 1>to say about that? I'm curious? Well, um, I you know, honestly, guy, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what if you uh, if you go

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<v Speaker 1>back in that an email inbox that we so religiously check,

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<v Speaker 1>you will see a email that I replied to and

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<v Speaker 1>didn't that email A listener was asking me what he

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<v Speaker 1>could do too, you know, kind of up his odds

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<v Speaker 1>of being successful in fly fishing as he you know,

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<v Speaker 1>got more into it. And one of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>I suggested is to go find a pond scouted out

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<v Speaker 1>using bait and Bobber's find the fish and then like

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<v Speaker 1>learn how to fish for him. So I do think

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<v Speaker 1>that that being a bait fisherman will in fact make

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<v Speaker 1>you better fly fisherman. I don't know, man, I agree

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<v Speaker 1>with that wholeheartedly. Is that the same guy that you

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<v Speaker 1>told to watch a whole bunch of Joan Wolf videos

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<v Speaker 1>on VHS or something? Yeah? Yeah I did. And you

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<v Speaker 1>know what else? If that pisses you off, you anybody

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<v Speaker 1>who was like I'm talking to everybody right now, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>ready to fight, bro, you know, I'm just go Hayden

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<v Speaker 1>will reply to a band email and I'll see the

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<v Speaker 1>reply later. And there was one I was like, Joan

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<v Speaker 1>Wolf on Beta Max, what are you telling this poor guy? Anyway, Anyway, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope some of you guys check it out on

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<v Speaker 1>the meter dot com. It was enjoyable to get back

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<v Speaker 1>to my roots a bit and write something other than

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast segment for a change. Uh So let's uh,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get into news. It's a new year. Will there

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<v Speaker 1>be a new Phil tailor to Judges? Has he reinvented

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<v Speaker 1>himself for two? Uh? We will find out because remember

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<v Speaker 1>this is a competition. Hayden and I do not know

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<v Speaker 1>which news weapons the other guy is bringing to this fight.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, it's your leadoff, I believe this week, which

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<v Speaker 1>is an advantage for you. So what do you got, bro?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you got? Okay? This one's for Joe Wolf.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh Okay, Joe. So this week I kind of have

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<v Speaker 1>like a quick hit from for you from the from

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<v Speaker 1>the State of Texas. The stars at night are big

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<v Speaker 1>and bright, deep in the heart of Texas. If I

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't used that clip from Pee Wee Herman so many

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<v Speaker 1>times already. I would I would have Phil Subbitt in

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<v Speaker 1>here again, but we'll skip it. Did I tell you

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<v Speaker 1>what happened when that episode played. I was in the car.

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<v Speaker 1>I was in the car with my buddy, the one

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<v Speaker 1>that you used that for previously. I was in the

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<v Speaker 1>car with my buddy who's from Oklahoma, and Dude, that

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<v Speaker 1>clip played and it was like he remembered he was

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<v Speaker 1>in a cult. Immediately he just started like and he

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<v Speaker 1>clapped at one point. Yeah. There, absolutely, it was super weird,

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<v Speaker 1>like it like just flipped a switch in his lizard

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<v Speaker 1>brain man, and he was straight. You know, we might

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<v Speaker 1>not teach you shit about fishing, but if we can

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<v Speaker 1>take you back to pee Wee's big adventure for just

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<v Speaker 1>one second, you know we're doing God's work anyway. Sorry, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>go on with the news, please. So, according to the

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<v Speaker 1>Dallas Morning News, residents of tex Orkna witnessed what is

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<v Speaker 1>known as an animal rain. And what is that, you

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<v Speaker 1>may have It is not a period of time in

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<v Speaker 1>which animals ruled with an iron fist, but rather but

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<v Speaker 1>rather the actual raining of animals, as like like they

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<v Speaker 1>fell from the heavens. M I'm glad to clarify that

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<v Speaker 1>it'd be it would be spelled differently if it was raining,

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<v Speaker 1>like like raining blood U slayer, But okay, just raining. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So animals are falling from the skuy go on. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to get folks confused anyway, The residents

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<v Speaker 1>found the ground like littered with fish after thunderstorms rolled

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<v Speaker 1>through the Texarcana area last Wednesday. Over a dozen people

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<v Speaker 1>called in to report it. Now here's the weird thing though,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, animals falling from the sky is pretty weird.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, here's the other weird thing. An animal rain

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<v Speaker 1>is typically like very like explicable. Uh. Storm rolls in,

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<v Speaker 1>generates water spout over nearby body of water. The water

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<v Speaker 1>spout sucks in the fish into posits to them and

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<v Speaker 1>where I think most fish would consider an undesirable location,

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<v Speaker 1>like tech Sarcanaara, I love you Texan kidding, we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about just landed general. It's not a thing. But here's

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<v Speaker 1>the weird thing. Meteorologists issued no water spout warnings in

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<v Speaker 1>the area, and looking back on the data, have since

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<v Speaker 1>struggled to find any indicator of the type of conditions

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<v Speaker 1>that would cause one to develop. Now it's unclear as

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<v Speaker 1>to whether people reporting this phenomenon actually saw the fish

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<v Speaker 1>falling from the sky or simply walked outside and found

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of fish where they weren't supposed to be,

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<v Speaker 1>which leads to another possible explanation that being rising floodwaters

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<v Speaker 1>moved the fish out of water bodies they inhabited, then

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<v Speaker 1>stranded them on shore after the flood receded. This would

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<v Speaker 1>seem plausible except for the fact that there was no

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<v Speaker 1>reported flooding. Plot thickens a lot thickens of this mystery.

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<v Speaker 1>Meteorologist Brandon Thorne said, quote, we're kind of confused as

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<v Speaker 1>to how it happened as well, to be honest, which

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<v Speaker 1>is exactly how I hope like the official statement reads. Um. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>despite the fact that we know meteorologists are generally never

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<v Speaker 1>ever wrong, I'm going to assume that there was a

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<v Speaker 1>water spout that happened that their model didn't pick up,

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<v Speaker 1>because that seems way more plausible than people not noticing

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<v Speaker 1>a flood. Yeah, I you know, I'm so this. I

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<v Speaker 1>heard about this story, like I didn't. I didn't read

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<v Speaker 1>it at all. Um, But we've we've covered some similar

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<v Speaker 1>things in the past about fish falling out of the sky,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's always that stuff on the Science Channel, like

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<v Speaker 1>about weird blobs that fell from the sky in h

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<v Speaker 1>You're right, it was Now that I think about it, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so I will say, I will say that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm curious now because we've ruled out the two things,

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<v Speaker 1>is that it most likely could be. So I'm curious

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<v Speaker 1>to see where we're going here. Yeah. I think they

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't like notice of water spout on their model,

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<v Speaker 1>or like, I don't know, nature did some like weird

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<v Speaker 1>ship that wasn't like immediately detectable. Okay, So to close

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<v Speaker 1>out this story, I want to read a direct passage

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<v Speaker 1>from the article in the Dallas Morning News. Here, uh

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<v Speaker 1>says Devin Seawell, a sales manager at the ore Max

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<v Speaker 1>car dealership in Texarkana, said he thought a neighboring business

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<v Speaker 1>had thrown out fish between two and six inches long

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<v Speaker 1>into the roadway when he walked outside Wednesday afternoon. Sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like some reno shit. Then he goes on to say,

0:24:45.320 --> 0:24:47.080
<v Speaker 1>this is a quote from see what he says. Then

0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:48.920
<v Speaker 1>I started looking on the ground and there were fish

0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:52.159
<v Speaker 1>everywhere for about a hundred yards. Seawell said. The following

0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:53.719
<v Speaker 1>fish up in the talk of the town and that

0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:56.560
<v Speaker 1>people have been getting a kick out of the quirky phenomenon.

0:24:56.960 --> 0:24:59.080
<v Speaker 1>What's going there's probably not a whole much a lot

0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:03.600
<v Speaker 1>of other stuff going in Texas our cannon to talk about. Yeah,

0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:06.760
<v Speaker 1>he says, Uh, what's going to stink is I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to have to clean these fish out of the back

0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:12.640
<v Speaker 1>of these trucks now, seatwell said, well, good, well, good

0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:14.920
<v Speaker 1>on him for having trucks at the or Max car

0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:19.080
<v Speaker 1>dealership in this time of of of car and truck shortages.

0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:21.639
<v Speaker 1>So he's ahead of the game there, you know what

0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:23.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean? True? Should we should we just make like

0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:26.679
<v Speaker 1>a plug for the for the or Max Car dealers.

0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:28.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of shopping for a new truck. Im my

0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:32.639
<v Speaker 1>head down there. Well, I'll take them keep the fish

0:25:32.680 --> 0:25:35.000
<v Speaker 1>in the back, bro Which, by the way, what kind

0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:38.840
<v Speaker 1>of fish are they have? You said? You know, honestly,

0:25:38.880 --> 0:25:41.760
<v Speaker 1>I didn't. I didn't notice what kind they look like?

0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:45.119
<v Speaker 1>Some like little Uh they were gizzard chat. I was

0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:48.120
<v Speaker 1>just going to say to read it and I saw

0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:52.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure they were gizzard chat, which that you

0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:54.720
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? Yeah, Although I'll tell you what, man,

0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:57.840
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing more difficult than keeping those things alive without

0:25:57.920 --> 0:26:01.000
<v Speaker 1>like a good like aeration system, and those things you

0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:04.920
<v Speaker 1>look at them wrong and they die. Um. Yeah, anyway,

0:26:05.880 --> 0:26:11.280
<v Speaker 1>kept you've kept a lot of gizzard chad, Yeah, a handful. Well,

0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:13.200
<v Speaker 1>not like a bunch, but like you know, I've tried

0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:17.119
<v Speaker 1>to go catfish with them, like several times, just busting

0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:19.960
<v Speaker 1>your balls. Go ahead, I have indeed kept my fair

0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:23.800
<v Speaker 1>share of gizzard chad. Anyway. I also thought, being okay,

0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:25.600
<v Speaker 1>there's not a lot of meat on this on the

0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:28.640
<v Speaker 1>bone for this story, right, like, there was probably water

0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:31.160
<v Speaker 1>spout fish fell onto the town and it was like, oh,

0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:34.399
<v Speaker 1>it's raining fish. That's crazy. The end, I thought it

0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:38.439
<v Speaker 1>would be fun to mention three notable instances of animal

0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:41.359
<v Speaker 1>rain that happened in the past if we could get

0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:48.080
<v Speaker 1>a drumroll, please not fun with it this weekend. Totally necessary,

0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:52.400
<v Speaker 1>but I said, all right, right. Instance one in May

0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:57.040
<v Speaker 1>of in the Southern table Lands region of Australia, they

0:26:57.040 --> 0:27:01.040
<v Speaker 1>were treated to a spring or I guess fall shower

0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:07.680
<v Speaker 1>in the way of millions of spiders. Okay, bro, come on, man,

0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:12.959
<v Speaker 1>work with me here, bro, I'm working and listening. We

0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:17.679
<v Speaker 1>worked together, all right. Well, the drum roll. In September

0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:21.840
<v Speaker 1>of in Philadelphia, a woman was struck by a catfish

0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:24.880
<v Speaker 1>that appeared to have fallen from the sky, although realistically

0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:27.040
<v Speaker 1>like that could have been thrown by anybody in Philly,

0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:28.760
<v Speaker 1>like I feel like we like I was gonna say,

0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:31.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure that was my friend Pete Sharf aka

0:27:31.240 --> 0:27:34.199
<v Speaker 1>Melvin the Fisherman on Instagram. Shout out to him. He

0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:36.879
<v Speaker 1>just catches flatheads and throws him off the overpass on

0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:39.639
<v Speaker 1>the on seven sixties seven or six seventies six or

0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:42.800
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is. I'm just kidding. I hope that's not

0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:48.280
<v Speaker 1>true of the incident. The victim of the errant catfish,

0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:52.719
<v Speaker 1>Lisa Lowbree, said, suddenly I was slammed by something. I

0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:56.120
<v Speaker 1>was like what, I was freaking out. That's a great

0:27:56.200 --> 0:28:03.439
<v Speaker 1>quote quote from Yeah, this one's better. Here's my favorite

0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 1>of the three, entirely because of the quote. In August

0:28:06.200 --> 0:28:09.600
<v Speaker 1>two thousand seven, the residents of Jennings, Louisiana, were treated

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:13.480
<v Speaker 1>to a refreshing sprinkle of worms. One of the eyewitnesses

0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:15.919
<v Speaker 1>was a cop who was quoted as saying, when I

0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:19.360
<v Speaker 1>saw they were crawling, I said, it's worms. Get out

0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:26.480
<v Speaker 1>of the way, oh man, that's a. That's a that's

0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:30.200
<v Speaker 1>a pretty good one. Um. Yeah, So well, I think

0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:32.800
<v Speaker 1>we're we're lacking a bit of closure on exactly what

0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:36.920
<v Speaker 1>happened there in Texas Arcana. But that's okay. It's always funny,

0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 1>but I think it's always good to talk about these

0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:42.960
<v Speaker 1>weekly world news style stories every once in a while. UM.

0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:47.520
<v Speaker 1>I have personal experience actually with um with fish rain.

0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Believe it or not, you've ever told you this? Yeah,

0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:54.280
<v Speaker 1>so the Sunday right before Christmas, we were brown trout

0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:59.040
<v Speaker 1>fishing and I was making it just rain slob brown trout,

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:03.160
<v Speaker 1>and had it's not been delayed, you you would have

0:29:03.200 --> 0:29:06.000
<v Speaker 1>been there is such a dick to get in on

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:10.719
<v Speaker 1>the slub brown trout rain. Anyway, that was fun, wasn't it.

0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:21.240
<v Speaker 1>Please enter your pants word you have one unheard message.

0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, this is from HRU for the last time.

0:29:25.360 --> 0:29:27.160
<v Speaker 1>You need to stop making fun of step in Chester

0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:32.440
<v Speaker 1>for I want to complain it quick for catching deep walleye. Seriously,

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:35.200
<v Speaker 1>this is a verbal warning. Please do you know how

0:29:35.240 --> 0:29:38.000
<v Speaker 1>to make me exploit? All right? Have a great day

0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 1>by end of message Delete priss seven save deleted. Where

0:29:46.040 --> 0:29:47.440
<v Speaker 1>am I gonna go with this? Now? How do I

0:29:47.480 --> 0:29:50.680
<v Speaker 1>follow up fish rain um fish falling from the sky

0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 1>to to fish. We can no longer catch terrible transition.

0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:56.320
<v Speaker 1>But I don't I don't care, because damn what I

0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:59.240
<v Speaker 1>think I'm gonna I'm trying to win this week. So

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:02.000
<v Speaker 1>here's an interesting tidbit all the way from Hawaii, KA

0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:06.120
<v Speaker 1>via k h O N two dot com. As of

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<v Speaker 1>January one two, get this, it is now illegal to

0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 1>fish for sharks in Hawaiian state waters. Okay, so that's

0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 1>kind of a big deal right now. Hawaii has already

0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:23.360
<v Speaker 1>passed bills in the in the recent past to try

0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:26.280
<v Speaker 1>and stop a legal commercial trade of sharks and shark

0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:30.000
<v Speaker 1>by products. But as far as I know, could be wrong,

0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:32.720
<v Speaker 1>but I'm pretty confident here. This is the first time

0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:35.600
<v Speaker 1>in history a U. S. State has made it illegal

0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:39.920
<v Speaker 1>to knowingly and knowingly is the key word target or

0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:43.880
<v Speaker 1>capture any species of shark um. Of course, part of

0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:46.239
<v Speaker 1>this is also to crackdown on sharks getting caught as

0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:50.040
<v Speaker 1>by catching gill nets, but it certainly applies to rod

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:53.680
<v Speaker 1>and real angling. So this was all passed under Act

0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:56.920
<v Speaker 1>fifty one, House Bill five thirty three, and the specific

0:30:57.000 --> 0:31:01.280
<v Speaker 1>wording is this um except as provid aided in subsection F,

0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:04.200
<v Speaker 1>which I'll get to in a second, or as otherwise

0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:08.160
<v Speaker 1>provided by law. No person shall intentionally or knowingly capture

0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:12.400
<v Speaker 1>or entangle any shark, whether alive or dead, or kill

0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:16.640
<v Speaker 1>any shark within state marine waters. Any person violating this

0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:20.040
<v Speaker 1>section or any rule adopted pursue into this section shall

0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:26.240
<v Speaker 1>be guilty of a misdemeanor. Right now, subsection F. This

0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:29.680
<v Speaker 1>is referring to the ability you can still obtain I

0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:33.840
<v Speaker 1>guess um special activity permits to target sharks, but there's

0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:36.760
<v Speaker 1>not much detail on how you'd qualify for those. But

0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:39.720
<v Speaker 1>my guests would be that's for you know, tagging and

0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:43.680
<v Speaker 1>research studies, right, things like that. So here's a quote

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:46.560
<v Speaker 1>from the story. The purpose of the band is to

0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:50.240
<v Speaker 1>protect sharks for their ecological value, while not criminalizing the

0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:53.720
<v Speaker 1>accidental capture and release of sharks that may be captured

0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:57.880
<v Speaker 1>while fishing for other species as allowed by statute or rules.

0:31:57.920 --> 0:32:02.520
<v Speaker 1>So if you accidentally hook a shark while fishing for

0:32:02.560 --> 0:32:06.320
<v Speaker 1>something else, no problem. But as I understand that, this

0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 1>now states that you can no longer in Hawaii set

0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:17.440
<v Speaker 1>out to target sharks specifically, And I gotta say, um,

0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:20.840
<v Speaker 1>that's not a super easy thing to enforce, at least

0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:24.479
<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, because some people might assume, um, well,

0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:26.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, if if a guy is telling me he's

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:29.720
<v Speaker 1>fishing for grouper right, but he's using wire or cable,

0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:34.360
<v Speaker 1>he's probably lying right. But these days it's fair to

0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:38.200
<v Speaker 1>keep in mind that that many shark fishermen um will

0:32:38.200 --> 0:32:41.000
<v Speaker 1>tell you they get more bites on super heavy floral

0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 1>carbon even I've done this and a big s circle hook,

0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:46.560
<v Speaker 1>then they do on wire and cable. It's kind of

0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:48.760
<v Speaker 1>been proven that if you know how to rig right,

0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:51.520
<v Speaker 1>you don't need the heavy cable and the heavy metal

0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:55.200
<v Speaker 1>to get it done. So I guess I guess you

0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:57.360
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't write because if that circle hook is just straight

0:32:57.440 --> 0:32:59.280
<v Speaker 1>up in the corner of their mount, if it does

0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:02.920
<v Speaker 1>its job, although I lost the only makeo I ever

0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:05.000
<v Speaker 1>hooked on my boat because of that, but for the

0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:07.120
<v Speaker 1>most part, if it does it job, if it does

0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:10.959
<v Speaker 1>its job and it seats properly. Um, And we used

0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:13.400
<v Speaker 1>to use like we're talking about, you know, commercial like

0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:18.280
<v Speaker 1>longline thickness circle hooks, big gas circle hooks on three

0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:22.280
<v Speaker 1>pound flora. But if its seats properly, most of the

0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:24.960
<v Speaker 1>time you will land that shark if that's what you

0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:27.920
<v Speaker 1>intend to do. Um, So I think that it it

0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:32.120
<v Speaker 1>could be a tricky thing to prove in in some cases.

0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:36.240
<v Speaker 1>Now here's the thing. Uh. While that's certainly a you know,

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:39.400
<v Speaker 1>a big deal, especially in Hawaii where there's there's so

0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 1>many varieties of sharks, they're so common, they're all over

0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:45.360
<v Speaker 1>the place. I'm also I'm not gonna lie, I'm a

0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:49.120
<v Speaker 1>little bit torn about this story, right um. And I

0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:53.400
<v Speaker 1>can't help but think about the reaction to such a

0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:56.480
<v Speaker 1>band in the lower forty eight. And on one hand,

0:33:57.040 --> 0:33:59.440
<v Speaker 1>we've talked about this a bunch. I totally agree that

0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:03.440
<v Speaker 1>sharks need protection right There's no doubt that on this

0:34:03.480 --> 0:34:07.600
<v Speaker 1>planet sharks need protection. Right now, I think they needed

0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:13.840
<v Speaker 1>against large scale commercial operations, global fitting operations more than anything,

0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:17.000
<v Speaker 1>not recreational fishing. And I feel that way about a

0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:20.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of different species. It's not really the wreck guys

0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:24.040
<v Speaker 1>that are the ultimate noblem um. And And while I

0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:26.040
<v Speaker 1>think it's fair to say that the overall amount of

0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:30.120
<v Speaker 1>serious shark fisherman in the US is dwindling, it's it's

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:33.479
<v Speaker 1>it's just not what it was, you know, twenty thirty

0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:38.160
<v Speaker 1>years ago. There are still hotspots with thriving cultures tied

0:34:38.200 --> 0:34:42.560
<v Speaker 1>to sharking. And while there are always gonna be some assholes,

0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:45.319
<v Speaker 1>right to put it bluntly, most of the guys I

0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:47.800
<v Speaker 1>know that still spend a lot of time targeting sharks

0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:52.000
<v Speaker 1>these days are some of the most conservation minded anglers

0:34:52.000 --> 0:34:53.759
<v Speaker 1>that you'll ever meet, you know what I mean, Like

0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:57.320
<v Speaker 1>they take the well being of the sharks they catch

0:34:57.560 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 1>very seriously. Um, you know, thinking back to the biggest

0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:03.200
<v Speaker 1>fish I ever caught was a ten foot hammerhead from

0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:06.000
<v Speaker 1>the sand in Florida with my buddy Zach Miller. That's

0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:07.839
<v Speaker 1>how we met. Zack's been on this show a bunch

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:12.680
<v Speaker 1>of times, and to this day, I'm I'm really sad

0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:15.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't have a great picture of myself with that fish.

0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 1>I have one sort of blurry, half asked shot. Because

0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:23.959
<v Speaker 1>even though these guys who do this are so gung

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:28.440
<v Speaker 1>ho about it, right, um, they they need, they want

0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:31.279
<v Speaker 1>and need that shark to swim away clean. You can't

0:35:31.360 --> 0:35:34.640
<v Speaker 1>kill that species, you can fish for it. And they

0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:37.680
<v Speaker 1>understand that if a dead you know, hammer head washes

0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:40.680
<v Speaker 1>up two days later, it's gonna be in the news

0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:43.600
<v Speaker 1>and it's gonna paint the guys who who shark fishing

0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:47.000
<v Speaker 1>in bad light. So I mean, after a long fight,

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:49.640
<v Speaker 1>this fish came in and it was like wham bam gone,

0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Like these guys wanted it back in the water asap,

0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:55.040
<v Speaker 1>you know. And then you look at other guys like

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:57.640
<v Speaker 1>Conway Bowman, who's been on the show. He pioneered fly

0:35:57.719 --> 0:36:00.000
<v Speaker 1>fishing for mako sharks in California, one of the most

0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:03.879
<v Speaker 1>conservation focus people. You pass a band like that here,

0:36:04.360 --> 0:36:06.439
<v Speaker 1>he's done, you know, I mean, he can't, he can't

0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:09.319
<v Speaker 1>even do that anymore. Um. You know, you you you

0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:11.319
<v Speaker 1>pass a band like that in Florida, You're destroying a

0:36:11.360 --> 0:36:14.600
<v Speaker 1>community of the land based guys that have existed for decades.

0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:17.600
<v Speaker 1>So in a way, I understand that what I'm saying

0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:19.880
<v Speaker 1>right now is kind of of two faced, because I

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:24.360
<v Speaker 1>do strongly agree with shark conservation. Um, I'm fully on

0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:28.520
<v Speaker 1>board with not killing them. But I mean, I have

0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:31.600
<v Speaker 1>a three year old son who's enamored with sharks. I

0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:35.040
<v Speaker 1>was enamored with sharks growing up. I look forward to

0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:38.640
<v Speaker 1>him being old enough to tangle with one. You know

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:40.279
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. We don't have to kill it, We're not,

0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:43.240
<v Speaker 1>We don't. We don't have to do that. But I

0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:46.359
<v Speaker 1>I still, as an angler and a salty guy, would

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:50.120
<v Speaker 1>be sad if that opportunity was was completely taken off

0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:52.759
<v Speaker 1>the table, you know what I mean. So I think

0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:55.440
<v Speaker 1>it's interesting what they've done here in Hawaii, but I'm

0:36:55.480 --> 0:36:58.239
<v Speaker 1>also a little bit like, uh, you know, I don't

0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:00.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to see that go away for the

0:37:00.600 --> 0:37:03.320
<v Speaker 1>the guys that care and can do it responsibly. I

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:05.120
<v Speaker 1>don't think you in two faced man, I think like

0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:09.160
<v Speaker 1>you're you're being nuanced. You know, there is a huge difference,

0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:14.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, between somebody trying to catch something and experience

0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:20.319
<v Speaker 1>that animal in a recreational pursuit. You experience what it is,

0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:22.759
<v Speaker 1>you feel the power, you appreciate what you've got on

0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:24.560
<v Speaker 1>the end of the line, but you know you're not

0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:28.160
<v Speaker 1>trying to bring that fish harm right right, and and

0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 1>like you know, somebody finning sharks. Those two things are

0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:37.680
<v Speaker 1>wildly different to me. One is more appreciative and one

0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:42.160
<v Speaker 1>is like obviously exploitative. Yeah, But I also, I mean,

0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:44.880
<v Speaker 1>I do sympathize. I understand that that. You know, with

0:37:44.920 --> 0:37:46.799
<v Speaker 1>a lot of rules for for a lot of things,

0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:49.719
<v Speaker 1>be it animals or fish or whatever, sometimes it's very

0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:51.719
<v Speaker 1>hard to make everybody happy, you know what I mean,

0:37:52.000 --> 0:37:54.359
<v Speaker 1>you kind of have to sometimes go with an all

0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:58.319
<v Speaker 1>or nothing approach, and uh, you know, I I think

0:37:58.320 --> 0:38:00.920
<v Speaker 1>maybe that's the case here in Hawaii. You know, it

0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:03.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of goes back to do you remember a couple

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:05.200
<v Speaker 1>of weeks ago, or maybe a couple months ago, that

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:09.440
<v Speaker 1>story they I think it was your story. They did

0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:12.959
<v Speaker 1>a survey of charter captains. Oh, how do you feel

0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:15.360
<v Speaker 1>when the shark takes your grouper off the line service?

0:38:15.440 --> 0:38:20.440
<v Speaker 1>I feel bad. I don't like when that happens. Yeah. Yeah,

0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:23.560
<v Speaker 1>And they were kind of implying that like people who

0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:26.880
<v Speaker 1>have experienced that would develop such a strong anti sharks

0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:30.680
<v Speaker 1>sentiment that they would go out and purposely like target

0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:32.920
<v Speaker 1>sharks to get him out of the area. Yeah, and

0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:35.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't know any Florida captains or otherwise

0:38:35.560 --> 0:38:38.840
<v Speaker 1>that would would do that. Yeah, you know, I wonder

0:38:38.880 --> 0:38:42.120
<v Speaker 1>if there's like a similar sort of logic that's like

0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:47.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of permeating you know, this decision personally. Man, You know,

0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:51.640
<v Speaker 1>I've never gone out in targeted sharks, but I think

0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:53.920
<v Speaker 1>one day, you know, I'd like to. I got a

0:38:53.920 --> 0:38:56.560
<v Speaker 1>cousin down in like Boca, who he actually does a

0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:58.760
<v Speaker 1>bunch of sword fishing, and he's been kind of crushing

0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:02.160
<v Speaker 1>him lately. It's pretty cool. But you know, I'd like

0:39:02.200 --> 0:39:04.960
<v Speaker 1>to go down there and maybe catch a shark with him. Yeah,

0:39:05.000 --> 0:39:07.319
<v Speaker 1>you just want to have that option too, you know.

0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:10.560
<v Speaker 1>And uh again, well, you know, we're we're we're at

0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:12.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to make it sound like this is

0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:15.200
<v Speaker 1>eminent in all states. It's not. I'm just sort of

0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:17.759
<v Speaker 1>supposing and thinking ahead, like you know, even down in

0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:19.879
<v Speaker 1>the keys and stuff like that. For the most part,

0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:22.479
<v Speaker 1>it'sn't really messing with sharks. But every once in a while,

0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:26.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, you get that that tourist charter with with

0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:28.279
<v Speaker 1>the kids, and that's what they want to do. You're

0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:30.080
<v Speaker 1>having a cold front day, you can go, you can

0:39:30.120 --> 0:39:34.040
<v Speaker 1>go play with sharks. So, um, would I ultimately be

0:39:34.239 --> 0:39:36.879
<v Speaker 1>sad if it was like nobody's allowed to kill one

0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:40.840
<v Speaker 1>any species any kind Again, No, that wouldn't. That wouldn't

0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:45.319
<v Speaker 1>bother me as much as someone saying you can't go

0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:48.480
<v Speaker 1>out there and do that. You can. Yeah, but it's

0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:51.080
<v Speaker 1>not like it's not like we're talking about bull trout here.

0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:54.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, We're we're not talking about something that hasn't

0:39:54.000 --> 0:39:59.040
<v Speaker 1>been talking about bull trout and I'm talking about sharking. Yeah, no,

0:39:59.160 --> 0:40:04.239
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea. People, way in go ahead, Joe

0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:07.440
<v Speaker 1>and listeners. I'm sorry to disappoint you yet again. Um.

0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:10.799
<v Speaker 1>You know, we're not talking about something that really has

0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:14.280
<v Speaker 1>a particular like conservation designation. I mean, sure some sharks

0:40:14.320 --> 0:40:16.840
<v Speaker 1>do right obviously, but a lot of like the sharks

0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:19.120
<v Speaker 1>that are commonly caught, like, don't fall into that. Like

0:40:19.160 --> 0:40:22.920
<v Speaker 1>my buddy Jack, one of his only like fishing stories.

0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:24.719
<v Speaker 1>You can tell me he's not really an angler. He's

0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:27.040
<v Speaker 1>somebody who went in it on vacation, was like about

0:40:27.040 --> 0:40:29.560
<v Speaker 1>a lemon shark that he caught. Nothing wrong with catching

0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:32.000
<v Speaker 1>a lemon sharks. Yeah, there's there's a there's a lot

0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:34.320
<v Speaker 1>of sharks, um. You know, I see a lot of

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:36.720
<v Speaker 1>stuff on YouTube now and again on on on catching

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:39.319
<v Speaker 1>cook black tips down in Florida. You know what I mean,

0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:42.960
<v Speaker 1>They're not in danger. There's there's plenty of them, um,

0:40:43.120 --> 0:40:45.839
<v Speaker 1>you know. So anyhow, it is definitely case by case.

0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:50.080
<v Speaker 1>But interesting, uh that that Hawaii went that way. You know,

0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:54.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious to see if that becomes a model for

0:40:54.120 --> 0:40:58.319
<v Speaker 1>anything else. And I'm also curious to, um, just to

0:40:58.440 --> 0:41:00.840
<v Speaker 1>see you know it's fill into fish falling from the

0:41:00.840 --> 0:41:04.040
<v Speaker 1>sky or you know, protecting the man eaters. I I

0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:06.360
<v Speaker 1>really don't know. We're gonna hear from Phil for the

0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:09.680
<v Speaker 1>first time in the new year, with new eyes, new perspective.

0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:14.960
<v Speaker 1>See what Phil has. Phil's problem right now, I don't

0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:17.480
<v Speaker 1>give a shit about your new sections. Stop teeing me

0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:20.120
<v Speaker 1>up so hard, um. But then as soon as we're done,

0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:21.720
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what. We're gonna go into the saale

0:41:21.760 --> 0:41:24.799
<v Speaker 1>bin and we're gonna take a wild ride. We're gonna

0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:27.319
<v Speaker 1>take a wild ride to start the new year with

0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:34.440
<v Speaker 1>the sale bin. Hayden, even you knew I could hear

0:41:34.440 --> 0:41:36.319
<v Speaker 1>it in your voice. The win this week is going

0:41:36.400 --> 0:41:40.799
<v Speaker 1>to Joe Sirmli. Sorry, Hayden, but I do have a

0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:47.000
<v Speaker 1>consolation prize. Recreational marijuana is now legal in Montana, so congratulations.

0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:49.600
<v Speaker 1>You can finally stop hitting up your cousin in Boca

0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:51.840
<v Speaker 1>or buying that skunk weed from Lance V that he

0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:55.879
<v Speaker 1>steals from his mom. Why did you put the hand

0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:57.800
<v Speaker 1>to pay You don't know what I'm getting, man, You

0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:01.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't have to be so hurtful with me angry. I'm

0:42:01.160 --> 0:42:04.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna start off this sale bind with a broad generalization.

0:42:04.760 --> 0:42:07.840
<v Speaker 1>And while it may mildly upset some folks, I'm thinking

0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:10.319
<v Speaker 1>or at least hoping, I guess that that most of

0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:14.520
<v Speaker 1>you are gonna say, yep, Joe's right, okay. And that

0:42:14.640 --> 0:42:20.200
<v Speaker 1>generalization is that people who own jet boats are cowboys. Okay.

0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:24.200
<v Speaker 1>It's as if the jet boat, I don't know, like

0:42:24.320 --> 0:42:27.520
<v Speaker 1>gives them license to thwart common sense and other safety

0:42:27.560 --> 0:42:30.799
<v Speaker 1>measures associated with normal boating, right and just say just

0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:34.560
<v Speaker 1>say it. Um. I have, on more than one occasion

0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:38.839
<v Speaker 1>just stood staring at a low ass river and thought,

0:42:38.920 --> 0:42:41.360
<v Speaker 1>the idea of running any hard bottom boat with a

0:42:41.400 --> 0:42:44.560
<v Speaker 1>fast engine here is nuts. And the answer I get

0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:47.560
<v Speaker 1>every time I voiced that concern whoever I'm with is basically,

0:42:48.120 --> 0:42:50.440
<v Speaker 1>don't worry about it. Bro, I got a jetboat, you

0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:52.799
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? Like it's it Just have you

0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:54.840
<v Speaker 1>ever spent any time? Have you fished on a jetboat

0:42:54.840 --> 0:42:58.400
<v Speaker 1>before run a jetboat? You know? I have not personally

0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:02.560
<v Speaker 1>uh ridden in a jet boat. However, like being so

0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:05.800
<v Speaker 1>close to the yellow Stone, I see a lot of him. Um.

0:43:05.840 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 1>But I'm I'm also like very familiar with like that mentality.

0:43:09.160 --> 0:43:12.280
<v Speaker 1>I know two folks at the office who will remain

0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:15.799
<v Speaker 1>nameless who sort of recently took out a little bit

0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:18.840
<v Speaker 1>too far and found themselves ordering some spare parts. Yeah,

0:43:18.880 --> 0:43:21.080
<v Speaker 1>and I feel like that that happens a lot, Like

0:43:21.120 --> 0:43:24.279
<v Speaker 1>nobody ever comes out completely like unscathed if you if

0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:27.720
<v Speaker 1>you run it long enough, you know what I'm saying. Um,

0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:29.640
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know. I feel like there's there's no

0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:33.279
<v Speaker 1>running a jet conservatively right. It's either balls to the

0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:36.280
<v Speaker 1>wall or nothing. And I've listened to so many jetboat

0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:39.960
<v Speaker 1>owners back that up with with bravado, like even my

0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:43.600
<v Speaker 1>even my buddy Captain Eric Kerber or Eric Garber as

0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:46.279
<v Speaker 1>you like to call him. Um, he mentioned that, by

0:43:46.280 --> 0:43:48.239
<v Speaker 1>the way, on the talk trip that you missed, does

0:43:48.320 --> 0:43:51.719
<v Speaker 1>not manage it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Um. But he used

0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:53.840
<v Speaker 1>to run a jetboat as part of his charter business

0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:56.360
<v Speaker 1>on the river here now on like on his bigger

0:43:56.400 --> 0:44:00.440
<v Speaker 1>ocean boat. He's a very safety oriented guy, like it's

0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:03.120
<v Speaker 1>like top priority. But when he had that river jet

0:44:03.280 --> 0:44:06.040
<v Speaker 1>he talked about was like cutting the engine to slide

0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:08.160
<v Speaker 1>over a rock bar in three inches of water doing

0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:10.680
<v Speaker 1>eighty miles an hour. And it's like whoa, you know

0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:14.200
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, Like I I don't understand it. It's

0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:16.520
<v Speaker 1>like the dude who hits the emergency break in the

0:44:16.560 --> 0:44:19.000
<v Speaker 1>snow on a road to like take a turn that way.

0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:21.560
<v Speaker 1>It's like, holy sh it, Like, dude, who are you?

0:44:22.360 --> 0:44:24.319
<v Speaker 1>Like when you get on this jet boat, you know,

0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:25.719
<v Speaker 1>it's like you get on it and you just like

0:44:25.840 --> 0:44:27.840
<v Speaker 1>you get on a jet and becomes Stevo all of

0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:31.120
<v Speaker 1>a sudden or something. I think there's like something about

0:44:31.160 --> 0:44:34.759
<v Speaker 1>like an inhibition just just going out the window is

0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:37.239
<v Speaker 1>soon as you're like, but see they're not They're not

0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:39.960
<v Speaker 1>indestructible though, you know what I mean. Like it's I

0:44:39.960 --> 0:44:43.280
<v Speaker 1>don't understand. It's like it doesn't mean you can go anywhere,

0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:46.279
<v Speaker 1>but it's like yeah, but I mean, like you know,

0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:48.640
<v Speaker 1>most of this ship is like, oh, I don't want

0:44:48.640 --> 0:44:50.440
<v Speaker 1>to dig my prop, you know what I mean, Like

0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:51.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to do my prop and I want

0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:53.520
<v Speaker 1>to like, you know, to take the whole back out

0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:55.319
<v Speaker 1>of this thing. And once like that's out of the

0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:58.000
<v Speaker 1>equation and people are just like I'm just half a

0:44:58.000 --> 0:45:02.880
<v Speaker 1>bullet right now. You know, yes, you're right, but okay,

0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:05.919
<v Speaker 1>you take the prop out of the equation. But like

0:45:06.239 --> 0:45:09.720
<v Speaker 1>if you don't make it over the rock bar dooing fifty,

0:45:09.920 --> 0:45:12.840
<v Speaker 1>it's just gonna eject you to your death. You know

0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:16.480
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying Like it's I don't know, I'm not

0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:19.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a cowboy with anything I do. UM. But look,

0:45:19.280 --> 0:45:21.399
<v Speaker 1>in case you haven't already guessed it right, today's sale

0:45:21.440 --> 0:45:25.200
<v Speaker 1>ban item is in fact a jet boat. Um. But

0:45:25.400 --> 0:45:29.719
<v Speaker 1>the way it's presented is perfect because it backs up

0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:32.400
<v Speaker 1>every single thing um that we've just talked about and

0:45:32.480 --> 0:45:34.759
<v Speaker 1>I've just said. And this was sent to us by

0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:40.640
<v Speaker 1>listener Nick Shimp. Okay, it's listed on Facebook marketplace in Afton, Illinois,

0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:45.920
<v Speaker 1>and right out of the gate the title is John

0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:50.239
<v Speaker 1>Jet with two T s in jet, thereby riffing off

0:45:50.280 --> 0:46:04.319
<v Speaker 1>of Rocker J. Now the seller is asking clams for

0:46:04.360 --> 0:46:08.520
<v Speaker 1>this souped up John. But while the description is short

0:46:08.560 --> 0:46:12.120
<v Speaker 1>and sweet, it's poetry. It's pure poetry. Would you like

0:46:12.160 --> 0:46:15.240
<v Speaker 1>to do the honors on on the description here? I would?

0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:21.520
<v Speaker 1>I would please m It reads sketchy cars, not your thing?

0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:25.839
<v Speaker 1>Doing doing sixty on a moped A no for you?

0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:29.520
<v Speaker 1>That's okay. I got sketchy water stuff too. Sketchy water

0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:36.560
<v Speaker 1>stuff three hundred cc Kawasaki jet ski running gear in

0:46:36.560 --> 0:46:40.120
<v Speaker 1>a twelve ft John Boat. No, So this is even

0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:44.480
<v Speaker 1>this is this is bootleg. Yeah, we'll get there. Oh,

0:46:44.560 --> 0:46:48.840
<v Speaker 1>it's totally bootleg. No leaks runs out, nice turns great,

0:46:49.480 --> 0:46:53.759
<v Speaker 1>shallow water running s O B. Yeah. So so he's

0:46:53.800 --> 0:46:57.480
<v Speaker 1>created it's a John boat jet ski hybrid, which I

0:46:57.520 --> 0:47:00.800
<v Speaker 1>mean that that is so water world like Slay mad Max.

0:47:00.840 --> 0:47:04.080
<v Speaker 1>I love it, um, but I mean even the guys

0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:07.000
<v Speaker 1>selling it has basically admitted that it's it's sketchy a

0:47:07.200 --> 0:47:09.960
<v Speaker 1>f as the kids say, which which maybe what prompted

0:47:10.400 --> 0:47:13.120
<v Speaker 1>his closing words in the description, right, and this is

0:47:13.400 --> 0:47:16.359
<v Speaker 1>this is an incredible So he ends with this, if

0:47:16.360 --> 0:47:19.120
<v Speaker 1>you're scared to go to church, if you're broke, don't

0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:25.000
<v Speaker 1>message me O B O trades welcome And that's it.

0:47:25.000 --> 0:47:27.040
<v Speaker 1>It's funny, man, because when you look at the photo,

0:47:27.200 --> 0:47:30.680
<v Speaker 1>and there's only one photo, right, yeah, you would never

0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:32.440
<v Speaker 1>know it was tricked out. It just looks like a shitty,

0:47:32.440 --> 0:47:35.279
<v Speaker 1>old like aluminum John with shag carpet glued over the

0:47:35.320 --> 0:47:38.359
<v Speaker 1>bench seat. I honestly don't really understand how you even

0:47:38.360 --> 0:47:41.480
<v Speaker 1>control this thing. Yeah, without having more photos, I I

0:47:41.520 --> 0:47:44.359
<v Speaker 1>don't really see it. I can't get my mind around either.

0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:47.400
<v Speaker 1>It's just a bunch of of of jangkeie wiring and

0:47:47.480 --> 0:47:51.000
<v Speaker 1>electrical tape spewing out from around just one of those

0:47:51.120 --> 0:47:54.520
<v Speaker 1>cheap ass folding boat seats that's been bolted in the middle.

0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:57.279
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? I I don't know. I

0:47:56.800 --> 0:47:59.600
<v Speaker 1>I would love to know what's up. So somebody please

0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:03.000
<v Speaker 1>buy us. Somebody out there please buy this uh and

0:48:03.080 --> 0:48:05.480
<v Speaker 1>report back because it's either a death trap or the

0:48:05.480 --> 0:48:08.279
<v Speaker 1>coolest thing ever. It really could could go either way.

0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Do you know how many emails were about to get

0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:12.880
<v Speaker 1>suggesting that we buy it for doss boat? Uh? Dude,

0:48:12.880 --> 0:48:15.759
<v Speaker 1>every yeah, everything that we post that floats, somebody says

0:48:15.800 --> 0:48:19.239
<v Speaker 1>like that next the next us boat. Um. But dude,

0:48:19.239 --> 0:48:21.640
<v Speaker 1>I'd be down for this one. I mean it, it

0:48:21.640 --> 0:48:24.879
<v Speaker 1>would be a scream um. Anyway, Nick, thanks so much

0:48:24.960 --> 0:48:27.320
<v Speaker 1>for sending this one our way. UH. And and listen.

0:48:27.360 --> 0:48:29.359
<v Speaker 1>If you have a salebin item that you'd like us

0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:33.920
<v Speaker 1>to see from your favorite online classified or or just

0:48:33.920 --> 0:48:35.719
<v Speaker 1>just came to me. How about a story of some

0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:38.520
<v Speaker 1>crazy ship you've experienced on a jet boat. We'd love

0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:41.399
<v Speaker 1>to hear that too. Please send those along to Bent

0:48:41.600 --> 0:48:46.839
<v Speaker 1>at the meat Eater dot com. If you're scared, go

0:48:46.920 --> 0:48:50.839
<v Speaker 1>to church. If you're broke, don't message me that should

0:48:50.880 --> 0:48:53.040
<v Speaker 1>be a bumper sticker. That was my favorite part of

0:48:53.080 --> 0:48:57.279
<v Speaker 1>that entire sale. Bin Um, that was a really good one. Anyway, listen,

0:48:57.320 --> 0:48:59.560
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna we're gonna close out our first show of

0:49:00.800 --> 0:49:04.279
<v Speaker 1>two with a fresh segment, new segment that we've been

0:49:04.360 --> 0:49:07.359
<v Speaker 1>hinting at for for a little while. Now, yeah man,

0:49:07.520 --> 0:49:11.200
<v Speaker 1>it's a drink. What if this was the drinking game

0:49:11.239 --> 0:49:13.360
<v Speaker 1>that Phil proposed, you would have to drink because you

0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:16.719
<v Speaker 1>just said, uh, yeah man. Anyway, by the way, I

0:49:16.760 --> 0:49:19.200
<v Speaker 1>didn't sorry, I mean to cut you off, but do

0:49:19.239 --> 0:49:21.400
<v Speaker 1>you know another listener reached out and said that I

0:49:21.400 --> 0:49:23.600
<v Speaker 1>should have you put a buck in a jar every

0:49:23.600 --> 0:49:27.480
<v Speaker 1>time you say yeah man. And I but maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>was five and then we could use it to fund

0:49:29.400 --> 0:49:32.960
<v Speaker 1>bent merch or a trip or something. Um, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>now you know, I'm not gonna ask anybody to count

0:49:34.760 --> 0:49:36.920
<v Speaker 1>the yeah man's because I jokingly asked you guys to

0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:39.080
<v Speaker 1>count something else that was said a lot one time,

0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:40.920
<v Speaker 1>and like a few people did it, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I'm so sorry to waste your day,

0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:45.640
<v Speaker 1>like you must have had better things to do than that,

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<v Speaker 1>So don't count. Anyway, I'm sorry I threw you off.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny. Uh, listeners at home, you can play along

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<v Speaker 1>with our drinking game listeners driving don't drink Yeah man

0:49:57.880 --> 0:50:02.040
<v Speaker 1>um anyhow, Yeah, it's a segment we're calling the bent Helpline. Um. Now,

0:50:02.080 --> 0:50:05.160
<v Speaker 1>we've been asking you guys to submit questions for it. Uh.

0:50:05.280 --> 0:50:07.720
<v Speaker 1>Joe I put out a call on the old instant

0:50:07.719 --> 0:50:09.919
<v Speaker 1>Slam a couple of weeks ago. He just got lit

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<v Speaker 1>up by questions. That was awesome. Keep sending those and

0:50:14.000 --> 0:50:18.760
<v Speaker 1>we've been getting some on the bent email inbox as well. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>We plan to read one, or if you send a

0:50:21.680 --> 0:50:23.920
<v Speaker 1>voice memo, play one at the end of each show

0:50:24.160 --> 0:50:28.080
<v Speaker 1>and do our best to give you a somewhat useful answer.

0:50:28.120 --> 0:50:29.480
<v Speaker 1>I think you're gonna be getting more of those from

0:50:29.560 --> 0:50:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Joe than me, but I'll try my best to so.

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<v Speaker 1>Without further ado, here we go. What do you laughing at, Marktini?

0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:41.759
<v Speaker 1>You're not an idiot, you're not a gamblooning help more,

0:50:41.840 --> 0:50:49.640
<v Speaker 1>you're a fisherman. Best what's your am? All right? So,

0:50:49.880 --> 0:50:54.279
<v Speaker 1>welcome to the inaugural edition of the bent Helpline. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a it's a big day, man, and somebody's going to

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<v Speaker 1>get to be first. I'm really excited for this, man.

0:50:59.719 --> 0:51:01.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, I was listening like this is the kind

0:51:01.400 --> 0:51:04.360
<v Speaker 1>of thing that I would want, and you know I

0:51:04.360 --> 0:51:06.600
<v Speaker 1>I hope we can deliver. Joe. What do you think, man? Oh?

0:51:06.600 --> 0:51:08.239
<v Speaker 1>I think, well, I don't know if we can deliver

0:51:08.280 --> 0:51:10.279
<v Speaker 1>because we don't really know as much as people think

0:51:10.280 --> 0:51:13.440
<v Speaker 1>we do. But I will say this right, in just

0:51:13.520 --> 0:51:16.880
<v Speaker 1>a short time since we started asking for questions, you

0:51:16.920 --> 0:51:18.759
<v Speaker 1>and I have sat around and been like, holy sh it,

0:51:18.800 --> 0:51:20.960
<v Speaker 1>there's so many good questions like it just such a

0:51:21.040 --> 0:51:24.000
<v Speaker 1>short span of time. Um, we grappled with the first

0:51:24.000 --> 0:51:25.880
<v Speaker 1>one because we've gotten so many good ones from so

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<v Speaker 1>many different angles, which is cool because it changes up

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, you know what I mean. Yeah, I

0:51:30.560 --> 0:51:33.520
<v Speaker 1>mean I literally before recording this, we sat around for

0:51:33.600 --> 0:51:35.920
<v Speaker 1>like thirty minutes talking about like, oh, well, this one,

0:51:36.000 --> 0:51:37.600
<v Speaker 1>this one, this one. We want to answer them all

0:51:37.640 --> 0:51:39.640
<v Speaker 1>so good. We appreciate you guys for that. It's it's

0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:41.480
<v Speaker 1>really cool. Yeah, and keep them coming. We want to

0:51:41.480 --> 0:51:45.359
<v Speaker 1>answer them all, but going forward, but we cannot. Just

0:51:45.560 --> 0:51:49.040
<v Speaker 1>established that we cannot answer them all. We do have

0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:50.719
<v Speaker 1>a surprise that we're gonna get to some more of

0:51:50.719 --> 0:51:53.839
<v Speaker 1>them eventually, but for this segment, we're gonna answer one

0:51:53.880 --> 0:51:58.160
<v Speaker 1>at a time. And this week's question comes from Hunter Shields,

0:51:58.840 --> 0:52:02.120
<v Speaker 1>and he asks, dear Ben, how do you guys choose

0:52:02.120 --> 0:52:05.719
<v Speaker 1>fish to harvest with conservation in mind, not the legality

0:52:05.760 --> 0:52:07.920
<v Speaker 1>of it? So what he means is like, you know

0:52:08.160 --> 0:52:12.319
<v Speaker 1>bag limits aside or cree limits aside, and you know

0:52:12.680 --> 0:52:17.680
<v Speaker 1>legal specifications to which you can take mm hm, which

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<v Speaker 1>ones are you choosing? Joe, I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm

0:52:20.400 --> 0:52:24.600
<v Speaker 1>gonna let you lead off. Man, are okay he's scared?

0:52:24.640 --> 0:52:26.880
<v Speaker 1>I am scared of this question? Um at First of all,

0:52:26.880 --> 0:52:31.760
<v Speaker 1>congrats two Hunter, Yeah, first question man on the bent helpline.

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<v Speaker 1>So my answer to that, I guess um to answer

0:52:36.040 --> 0:52:40.080
<v Speaker 1>it properly. A thing to know about me, right, I've

0:52:40.160 --> 0:52:43.280
<v Speaker 1>I've never been much of like a a freezer stalker,

0:52:43.680 --> 0:52:45.880
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? Like there's select fish that

0:52:45.960 --> 0:52:49.360
<v Speaker 1>I really enjoy that um. I like, I like having

0:52:49.400 --> 0:52:51.600
<v Speaker 1>some one hand, I like having it in the freezer.

0:52:52.320 --> 0:52:54.480
<v Speaker 1>But I've never been the guy you know that that

0:52:54.520 --> 0:52:56.720
<v Speaker 1>feels that need to always just have my my garage

0:52:56.760 --> 0:53:02.360
<v Speaker 1>freezer stacked with fish. Um I. And and you know

0:53:02.520 --> 0:53:04.759
<v Speaker 1>some fish freeze is better than others, right, we know that.

0:53:04.840 --> 0:53:08.520
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know, man, I'm just not I've never

0:53:08.560 --> 0:53:12.279
<v Speaker 1>been as quite as excited to eat a piece of

0:53:12.320 --> 0:53:15.359
<v Speaker 1>fish that's been frozen for a few months as I

0:53:15.400 --> 0:53:20.160
<v Speaker 1>am to eat it fresh. So I really enjoy fresh fish. Um.

0:53:20.880 --> 0:53:25.520
<v Speaker 1>And with that in mind, I tend to uh lean

0:53:25.600 --> 0:53:29.680
<v Speaker 1>towards keeping only what I know I'll be able to

0:53:29.760 --> 0:53:33.600
<v Speaker 1>eat fresh in the near term. So like stripe bass

0:53:33.680 --> 0:53:37.400
<v Speaker 1>is an example. Um, in my younger days, Yeah, dude,

0:53:37.520 --> 0:53:39.839
<v Speaker 1>I I was. I was the guy that would would

0:53:39.840 --> 0:53:41.960
<v Speaker 1>would take the forty pounder, you know what I mean,

0:53:42.080 --> 0:53:44.200
<v Speaker 1>and and take it to the tackle shop for the

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<v Speaker 1>photo and all that. I don't keep very many stripers

0:53:47.880 --> 0:53:50.799
<v Speaker 1>at all anymore, hardly ever. But if I were going

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<v Speaker 1>to purely for the reason that I felt like eating

0:53:54.200 --> 0:53:57.160
<v Speaker 1>a nice piece of delicious fresh striper, I'd be looking

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<v Speaker 1>for the one that was like the minimum size I

0:53:59.440 --> 0:54:06.080
<v Speaker 1>was allowed to take, um, you know, and well, because

0:54:06.400 --> 0:54:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I I I believe in saving the big breeders, man,

0:54:09.040 --> 0:54:12.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's so much striper conservation, so much happening

0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:14.399
<v Speaker 1>in that arena already. I mean, there's already been laws

0:54:14.440 --> 0:54:17.359
<v Speaker 1>put in place that you can't come here now and

0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:20.680
<v Speaker 1>take a trophy fish anymore that's off the table. There's

0:54:20.960 --> 0:54:23.319
<v Speaker 1>a slot limit, and then you can also apply for

0:54:23.400 --> 0:54:27.960
<v Speaker 1>bonus tags, which actually allow you to keep smaller fish,

0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:31.080
<v Speaker 1>not bigger fish. I believe it's you can keep one

0:54:31.200 --> 0:54:34.920
<v Speaker 1>twenty four to inches something like that. Um I mean,

0:54:34.960 --> 0:54:36.759
<v Speaker 1>I've said this so many times, doesn't matter what you're

0:54:36.760 --> 0:54:40.640
<v Speaker 1>talking about. Small fish to me always tastes better than

0:54:40.640 --> 0:54:43.080
<v Speaker 1>big fish, you know, especially with white meat fish like

0:54:43.080 --> 0:54:48.040
<v Speaker 1>a striper or you know something like that. Um So, yeah, man,

0:54:48.080 --> 0:54:49.640
<v Speaker 1>if I was gonna take one, I'd be looking for

0:54:49.680 --> 0:54:51.959
<v Speaker 1>the little guy, and I would say, this is gonna

0:54:51.960 --> 0:54:54.279
<v Speaker 1>be you know, one nice meal for for me and

0:54:54.360 --> 0:54:57.000
<v Speaker 1>my wife, or or you know, two nice meals within

0:54:57.040 --> 0:55:00.440
<v Speaker 1>the same week, where I won't even have to freeze

0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:03.640
<v Speaker 1>that fish. I'm not uh that interested in having like

0:55:03.680 --> 0:55:09.040
<v Speaker 1>a freezer full of striper, so I get selective with that. Yeah. Yeah,

0:55:09.120 --> 0:55:12.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, this is really like conservation wrapped

0:55:12.400 --> 0:55:16.680
<v Speaker 1>up in like personal ethics as well. You know, a

0:55:16.719 --> 0:55:19.359
<v Speaker 1>lot of these limits are put in place, you know,

0:55:19.600 --> 0:55:22.520
<v Speaker 1>or all these limits are put in place by biologists,

0:55:22.719 --> 0:55:26.120
<v Speaker 1>right like, you know, they've already kind of determined hopefully

0:55:26.680 --> 0:55:29.719
<v Speaker 1>what the resource is able to like withstand from like

0:55:29.760 --> 0:55:34.279
<v Speaker 1>a you know, a take aspect um then like you know,

0:55:35.280 --> 0:55:39.000
<v Speaker 1>if you're particularly conservation minded, then you kind of like

0:55:39.080 --> 0:55:43.840
<v Speaker 1>police yourself into making sure that you're not taking more

0:55:44.080 --> 0:55:49.560
<v Speaker 1>than you personally like need. Right um. Now with an

0:55:49.600 --> 0:55:55.320
<v Speaker 1>individual fish, right Uh, that largely depends on like the species,

0:55:55.400 --> 0:55:57.560
<v Speaker 1>and and it changes all the time. You know, are

0:55:57.600 --> 0:56:00.120
<v Speaker 1>you are you going for something that there are a

0:56:00.239 --> 0:56:02.440
<v Speaker 1>lot of Are you going for something that there are

0:56:02.480 --> 0:56:06.560
<v Speaker 1>a few of you know, like for instance, Joe Striper example. Yeah,

0:56:06.560 --> 0:56:09.239
<v Speaker 1>it's very it's very hard to to to answer that

0:56:09.360 --> 0:56:11.959
<v Speaker 1>question and have it be like a blanket answer that

0:56:11.960 --> 0:56:15.600
<v Speaker 1>that covers all things, right, because it's just so situational.

0:56:15.760 --> 0:56:18.239
<v Speaker 1>Like I say, I'm not a freezer stalker, and I'm

0:56:18.280 --> 0:56:22.360
<v Speaker 1>not except with certain things. Um Like, as an example,

0:56:22.400 --> 0:56:24.760
<v Speaker 1>we've we've talked a lot lately about talk the inshore

0:56:24.760 --> 0:56:27.160
<v Speaker 1>fish that I love to catch here, right, delicious fish.

0:56:27.160 --> 0:56:30.520
<v Speaker 1>All they eat is clams, crabs, muscles, and shrimp. Fantastic.

0:56:31.400 --> 0:56:33.920
<v Speaker 1>This season when you can keep the most doesn't open

0:56:33.960 --> 0:56:37.040
<v Speaker 1>until November and it closes on January one. So it's

0:56:37.080 --> 0:56:41.080
<v Speaker 1>this very short window to even have the opportunity to

0:56:41.400 --> 0:56:44.440
<v Speaker 1>keep a bunch of those fish. Um. That's one I

0:56:44.440 --> 0:56:47.759
<v Speaker 1>think freezes a little better. So when I'm out there

0:56:47.760 --> 0:56:50.000
<v Speaker 1>in the cold and you know, and I know, I'm

0:56:50.040 --> 0:56:51.919
<v Speaker 1>only gonna have a couple of shots to get after

0:56:51.960 --> 0:56:55.080
<v Speaker 1>those fish in prime season. That's an example of one

0:56:55.080 --> 0:56:57.920
<v Speaker 1>where I don't mind having a limit. I want to

0:56:58.000 --> 0:57:00.680
<v Speaker 1>limit that time. You know what I'm saying. Um, But

0:57:00.760 --> 0:57:05.439
<v Speaker 1>that's that's not based so much on on anything other

0:57:05.480 --> 0:57:08.280
<v Speaker 1>than sort of here's your shot to make that happen.

0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:11.480
<v Speaker 1>I might not eat a piece of talg again until

0:57:11.640 --> 0:57:14.920
<v Speaker 1>next November, you know what I mean. Same thing with tuna.

0:57:15.040 --> 0:57:17.360
<v Speaker 1>If I'm putting up the money to run seventy five

0:57:17.440 --> 0:57:20.200
<v Speaker 1>miles off shore and put in a full day like that, yeah,

0:57:20.240 --> 0:57:22.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm about bringing home my limit of yellow fin because

0:57:23.080 --> 0:57:27.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know when I'll get there again, you know. Um,

0:57:27.640 --> 0:57:31.000
<v Speaker 1>But to bring it back real quick, just to like

0:57:31.040 --> 0:57:33.240
<v Speaker 1>the individual fish, I think like the way that you

0:57:33.360 --> 0:57:36.680
<v Speaker 1>described how you pick and choose fish in general to

0:57:36.800 --> 0:57:39.240
<v Speaker 1>take Yeah, I think makes a lot of sense. I

0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:41.280
<v Speaker 1>think it's going to resonate with like a lot of folks.

0:57:41.960 --> 0:57:44.800
<v Speaker 1>Um when it comes to like individual fish from my

0:57:44.880 --> 0:57:49.360
<v Speaker 1>rule of thumb is basically, leave the big females alone.

0:57:50.200 --> 0:57:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Leave the big females alone. Whether it's could be large

0:57:53.000 --> 0:57:56.920
<v Speaker 1>mouth bass, could be brown trout, could be stripers. You know,

0:57:57.240 --> 0:58:01.680
<v Speaker 1>if you make sure that there eating stock is going

0:58:01.720 --> 0:58:04.200
<v Speaker 1>to be there for next year, overall, you will have

0:58:04.280 --> 0:58:07.160
<v Speaker 1>a healthier fishery. So let me ask you this. I'm

0:58:07.200 --> 0:58:10.400
<v Speaker 1>just curious, right, So, like when you fish for something

0:58:10.440 --> 0:58:13.120
<v Speaker 1>with a higher bag limit like cropp ease or or

0:58:13.200 --> 0:58:16.320
<v Speaker 1>yellow perch, you know what I mean? Like are you

0:58:16.520 --> 0:58:18.960
<v Speaker 1>hoping for that limit each time? And I'm I'm I'm

0:58:19.040 --> 0:58:21.080
<v Speaker 1>learning about you, right because we haven't talked about this,

0:58:21.200 --> 0:58:25.400
<v Speaker 1>like are are you? Are you down to have a

0:58:25.400 --> 0:58:29.000
<v Speaker 1>freezer full of fish? Like does that appeal to you? Yeah?

0:58:29.080 --> 0:58:31.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean I think the word is for coundity, right,

0:58:32.200 --> 0:58:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Like it depends on what kind of fish I'm fishing for.

0:58:35.640 --> 0:58:38.640
<v Speaker 1>If it's perch, yeah, no, I I would like to

0:58:38.680 --> 0:58:41.840
<v Speaker 1>get a bunch of perch. And here's the other thing

0:58:41.920 --> 0:58:44.160
<v Speaker 1>that's like kind of like contradictory to what I just said.

0:58:44.280 --> 0:58:47.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't mind a bunch of female perch because I

0:58:47.080 --> 0:58:50.120
<v Speaker 1>like to fry up the rosas. But see it's like

0:58:50.120 --> 0:58:53.920
<v Speaker 1>another twist in the whole thing. Then you look, that's

0:58:53.920 --> 0:58:56.160
<v Speaker 1>why it's so it's so hard to answer that. Yeah.

0:58:56.200 --> 0:58:59.320
<v Speaker 1>But the the thing though, is like nobody's worried about

0:58:59.400 --> 0:59:03.560
<v Speaker 1>perch stock. You know, they reproduce at such a rate

0:59:03.760 --> 0:59:08.000
<v Speaker 1>where that's not really a top tier consideration for wildlife conservation.

0:59:08.040 --> 0:59:11.320
<v Speaker 1>That's why the bag limits on perch are so high. Perch,

0:59:11.400 --> 0:59:14.320
<v Speaker 1>pan fish, whatever. Um. I think this is really like

0:59:14.360 --> 0:59:18.680
<v Speaker 1>a more question that pertains to things like stripers. Uh,

0:59:18.720 --> 0:59:23.480
<v Speaker 1>you know too, things like trout, um, you know that

0:59:23.640 --> 0:59:26.480
<v Speaker 1>sort of deal. I mean, you know, an interesting one

0:59:26.520 --> 0:59:30.600
<v Speaker 1>to think about is paddlefish, right, sure, you can buy

0:59:31.200 --> 0:59:33.520
<v Speaker 1>not paddle fish if you don't know. You can only

0:59:33.560 --> 0:59:36.800
<v Speaker 1>catch them by snagging because they're filter feeders and a

0:59:36.840 --> 0:59:42.040
<v Speaker 1>lot of times what people hope for is to use

0:59:42.120 --> 0:59:46.400
<v Speaker 1>their tag on a female paddlefish because of the row

0:59:46.880 --> 0:59:49.840
<v Speaker 1>and they want to make caveat out of it. Um.

0:59:49.880 --> 0:59:54.680
<v Speaker 1>That said, interestingly, there are also catching release permits for

0:59:54.800 --> 0:59:58.840
<v Speaker 1>snagged paddlefish, which which I think is like pretty fast. Yeah.

0:59:58.840 --> 1:00:01.080
<v Speaker 1>I I could never figure that out either, because I

1:00:01.360 --> 1:00:04.040
<v Speaker 1>think it's it's it's cool and a cool cultural scene.

1:00:04.080 --> 1:00:05.720
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, you know, the way you get him

1:00:05.760 --> 1:00:08.480
<v Speaker 1>is pretty pretty gnarly. Yeah. Yeah. And the and the

1:00:08.560 --> 1:00:11.400
<v Speaker 1>last thing that I'll say is another thing that can

1:00:11.440 --> 1:00:13.520
<v Speaker 1>sway me on like whether or not I keep that

1:00:13.600 --> 1:00:16.680
<v Speaker 1>individual fish is the way that it's hooked. If I

1:00:16.720 --> 1:00:18.360
<v Speaker 1>put that fish back to the water and I see

1:00:18.360 --> 1:00:20.080
<v Speaker 1>a puff of blood come out of its gills, I'm like,

1:00:20.120 --> 1:00:22.720
<v Speaker 1>all right, well, I'm gonna that one's coming back with me,

1:00:22.760 --> 1:00:25.040
<v Speaker 1>because yeah, I just don't believe that the survival rate

1:00:25.120 --> 1:00:27.880
<v Speaker 1>is particularly good and that could be misguided. But you know,

1:00:27.920 --> 1:00:30.640
<v Speaker 1>if it's legal and the fish is bleeding, I'm going

1:00:30.680 --> 1:00:32.919
<v Speaker 1>to bring it in. Yeah, man, And I will say,

1:00:33.000 --> 1:00:35.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, you sort of said, well, you know, you

1:00:36.080 --> 1:00:38.000
<v Speaker 1>have to consider these things more when you're talking about

1:00:38.040 --> 1:00:42.120
<v Speaker 1>things like stripers and and brown trout. The irony in

1:00:42.160 --> 1:00:44.680
<v Speaker 1>that though, is, you know, a fish like like stripe

1:00:44.720 --> 1:00:47.880
<v Speaker 1>as particular, it just hits close to home. Um, there

1:00:48.000 --> 1:00:51.360
<v Speaker 1>is a huge conservation issue with those right now. But

1:00:51.560 --> 1:00:56.720
<v Speaker 1>people tend to treat trout with like those same kid gloves.

1:00:56.720 --> 1:00:58.240
<v Speaker 1>I think it's fair to say that by and large,

1:00:58.280 --> 1:01:02.960
<v Speaker 1>especially with wild trout, there's this reverence of like, don't

1:01:03.000 --> 1:01:06.600
<v Speaker 1>eat that, when in reality, there's a lot of places

1:01:06.960 --> 1:01:11.400
<v Speaker 1>notable fly destinations in particular, like the Upper Delaware system. Um,

1:01:11.400 --> 1:01:12.919
<v Speaker 1>you know a lot of places in p A. Even

1:01:12.960 --> 1:01:15.439
<v Speaker 1>even out where you are, there are rules that allow

1:01:15.520 --> 1:01:18.080
<v Speaker 1>you to kill trout in these places, like those trout

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<v Speaker 1>are not necessarily in trouble at all, there's no conservation issue.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like the numbers of trout are are way

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<v Speaker 1>way down. Yet you're still like an asshole if you

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<v Speaker 1>catch a twenty inch trout and bonk it. And like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't agree with that either. I think it has

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<v Speaker 1>to do more with focusing on the specific you know,

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<v Speaker 1>ecology and like what's happening in that particular stream, and

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<v Speaker 1>the burden is on you to know that, like me

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<v Speaker 1>taking a large trout out of this system right now

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<v Speaker 1>could be detrimental to this system. But even in places

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<v Speaker 1>where it's not, it's like oh no, no, don't don't

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<v Speaker 1>kill the trout, don't kill the trout. And and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't kill a lot of trout at all, hardly ever,

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<v Speaker 1>But I still disagree that mentality. Like if if you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was just recently out brown trout fishing, if somebody

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<v Speaker 1>in that boat that I was on was like, hey man,

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<v Speaker 1>can I bonk that and eat the ship out of it?

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<v Speaker 1>I would have been like yeah, like it's legal to do. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it doesn't bother me at all. Yeah. Well, here

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<v Speaker 1>here's something interesting that happened not too long ago. Man Um.

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<v Speaker 1>We were fishing. We were trout fishing, and I kept

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<v Speaker 1>catching these big white fish and I love to eat

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<v Speaker 1>white fish. Man Yeah, yeah, um, but they were these

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<v Speaker 1>big spawning fish. I just kept letting them go. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Then my buddy caught like a nice twenty trainbow. We

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<v Speaker 1>bonked it and we ate it. So, I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of it is like circumstantial, man um. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we did a pretty good job answering this question,

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<v Speaker 1>though I do too. I think my closing thought, like

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<v Speaker 1>I could just some of that would just sort of

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<v Speaker 1>be like, um, you know, my advice whenever you're considering

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<v Speaker 1>taking fish is I I think it's I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>it's unfair to adopt that mentality of taking what you'll

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<v Speaker 1>eat soon and you know, what you can eat fresh,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if you're talking about something that you have access to.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, you know, I don't need to kill

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<v Speaker 1>a limit of this that or the other thing, cropp

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<v Speaker 1>ease or you know, trout or small mouth, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>not this narrow window where I have that opportunity. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not your one trip to Alaska a year to catch

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<v Speaker 1>your halibit or whatever it may be. Um, if you

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<v Speaker 1>have access to it, I would say be more conservative,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like take what you need

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<v Speaker 1>for a meal and you know that you'll get back

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<v Speaker 1>there soon enough to get more if you if you

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<v Speaker 1>have a hankering for a crappy sandwich, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. My my final thought on this is a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of times we talk about, you know, considering this

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<v Speaker 1>species over the individual, and I think when we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about this question in particular, it's important to consider the

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<v Speaker 1>end of visual in the context of the species, like

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<v Speaker 1>what that bish might mean for that fish? Are you

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<v Speaker 1>going forward? So just keep that in mindment and uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>good first question hunter. We we thank you. UM. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we're gonna have a lot of fun with this

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<v Speaker 1>because we've already like giggled like schoolgirls over potential answers

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<v Speaker 1>to other questions. We're like, oh my god, this question

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna be funny and ship. But um, we started

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<v Speaker 1>there and uh, that was a lot of fun. So

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<v Speaker 1>we'll we'll do this again next week. And if you've

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<v Speaker 1>got a question, d m me on the instant slams

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<v Speaker 1>or or Hayden or fired off to Bent at the

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<v Speaker 1>Meat eat dot com. By the way, we love voice memos.

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<v Speaker 1>might hear yourself here on the Bent helpline. Well that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Degenerate Anglers, please keep those questions coming to Bent at

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<v Speaker 1>did it? Good on you? That was quick? Uh yeah man,

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<v Speaker 1>and Bent podcast hashtags cranking, Hayden and I love to

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<v Speaker 1>see what you guys are up to. We expect maybe

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<v Speaker 1>some hard water, maybe beating up on the local stockies,

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<v Speaker 1>some winter fly time. We love it. And hey, if

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<v Speaker 1>you want us to see something completely unrelated to fishing

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<v Speaker 1>that you post, just tag it. Yeah man, yeah man.

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<v Speaker 1>A dest