Speaker 1: Who are you when you get on this jet boat?
Speaker 1: You know, it's like you get on it and you
Speaker 1: just like become Stebo all of a sudden, John, I
Speaker 1: had toilet paper, just for toilet paper, point blank. Our
Speaker 1: beloved Phil responded with, if I take a shot every
Speaker 1: time someone says yeah, man, will I die? If you're
Speaker 1: scared to go to church, if you're broke, don't message
Speaker 1: me O b O Trades. Welcome, good morning to Generate Anglers,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Bent, the fishing podcast that promised itself
Speaker 1: it would be more financially responsible in the new year,
Speaker 1: but already bought two tack to bite fish calls on
Speaker 1: Impulse from the as scene on TV and cap at
Speaker 1: Walgreen's I'm Joe Surmeli and I'm Hayden Sam Mac and
Speaker 1: Happy New Year, de Generate. It's into you two man,
Speaker 1: Happy new year. Here we are in sixty five new opportunities,
Speaker 1: Am I right? You know what I mean? And we
Speaker 1: certainly we hope you guys had a wonderful holiday and
Speaker 1: created beautiful memories with your friends and family. The uh
Speaker 1: you know, like the vaccinated and boosted ones. I guess anyway, um,
Speaker 1: and and this week week. This week, we've got we've
Speaker 1: got a bunch of of new stuff for the new
Speaker 1: year coming at you. We've got a new segment, we've
Speaker 1: got new guests, new co host. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Come on, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
Speaker 1: You're still you're stuck with Hayden. Um. But really, we
Speaker 1: we are very excited for the new year and the
Speaker 1: new season. I guess is this a new season? Is
Speaker 1: this a new year making new season? Is that right?
Speaker 1: I don't even know. That's what they tell me. I
Speaker 1: don't know it is officia. I should really check with
Speaker 1: somebody about that, but I don't know what freaking difference
Speaker 1: it makes. We'll go with that, we'll say it, we'll
Speaker 1: say this new season of Bent. But before we get
Speaker 1: to all that, UM, you know, we we've been on
Speaker 1: a little bit of a break at meeting over the holiday.
Speaker 1: They give us a nice break, Hayden and I and
Speaker 1: um as all you guys know. I think by now,
Speaker 1: while Hayden lives in Montana, he's a Pennsylvania boy, and
Speaker 1: despite our best efforts, we had every intention of linking
Speaker 1: up while you were back here on the East Coast
Speaker 1: for the holidays, and that did not happen. Um, you
Speaker 1: want to explain, why should we tell the good people
Speaker 1: what what what went down? Well, let's start at the beginning,
Speaker 1: all right, we'll go from there. That could take a
Speaker 1: little while, but go ahead, go from the beginning. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: uh so we had planned to go fishing, like basically
Speaker 1: as soon as I got home, but my flights got
Speaker 1: all messed up and that never happened. So I came
Speaker 1: in like a day later. Um, You, however, did go
Speaker 1: out that day and you had a wonderful day on
Speaker 1: the water. Yeah. So the day that you were stuck
Speaker 1: in Houston, I was floating a local river and just
Speaker 1: crushed some monster wild browns, including my personal best. So yes,
Speaker 1: that was that was strike one for you, and I
Speaker 1: thank you Airlines. That hurt. Um, so, yeah, I missed that.
Speaker 1: Then we had a plan to do a little tagging,
Speaker 1: which I was really you know, you and I have
Speaker 1: talked about this multiple times. I was very excited about that. Um.
Speaker 1: But despite the forecast looking lovely just a few days prior,
Speaker 1: ship got super nasty and we wisely scrabbed, you know,
Speaker 1: we scrapped the trip However, we did make plans to
Speaker 1: hit the TOG grounds when I got back from a
Speaker 1: little Steelhead trip. I was going to take the following week.
Speaker 1: So I was very hopeful for that happening. Yeah. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so we we we pushed TOG by a week. We
Speaker 1: rescheduled because that's just December. Three days out it looks great,
Speaker 1: and the night before it's like shit. So yeah, a
Speaker 1: little rescheduled there and then and then what happens. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to stop saying yeah man. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you I don't know if you've seen
Speaker 1: the comments, but folks are picking up us. Yeah, starting
Speaker 1: half of our thoughts with yeah man. In fact, when
Speaker 1: I put out the call to uh, you know, for listeners,
Speaker 1: for to get questions on our i G the other day,
Speaker 1: our beloved Phil responded with, if I take a shot
Speaker 1: every time someone says yeah, man, will I die? Yeah? Man,
Speaker 1: I think you would, yeah man. Uh yeah. So anyhow,
Speaker 1: after that, let's see, Uh, I had my thirtieth birthday, rats,
Speaker 1: thank you, a wonderful Christmas, and then I caught COVID completely.
Speaker 1: Just everything else up, including uh, the Steelhead trip and
Speaker 1: the tag rain date so I ended up just kind
Speaker 1: of like isolating in a cabin for the remainder of
Speaker 1: my visit until I tested negative. So it was I mean,
Speaker 1: it was fine but not great. Yeah, I hope, I
Speaker 1: hope yours was better. Uh what did you get up to, Joe? Well,
Speaker 1: I did a little brown trout fishing. I also did
Speaker 1: some dogging. Um no, I'm I'm I'm I'm kidding of course.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we're supposed to go to the Wednesday after Christmas,
Speaker 1: and I got the call on Monday that it was like,
Speaker 1: hey man, so here's the thing I have COVID. And
Speaker 1: I was like, holy ship. And here's why I said
Speaker 1: holy sh it, because you were like the nine hundred
Speaker 1: person that said that to me over the holidays. So
Speaker 1: we we had a nice holiday with kids in the family.
Speaker 1: But I mean, it's in the back of your mind,
Speaker 1: like all right, whereas my COVID it's coming and and
Speaker 1: so far here we are like me and my family
Speaker 1: have have skated. But um, you know, funny, funny thing. Um,
Speaker 1: we ended up going on that talg trip, the one
Speaker 1: you missed, and I was the I think I was
Speaker 1: the only guy on the boat that had not already
Speaker 1: had COVID and gotten over it, and we're like, was
Speaker 1: was negative and I was actually jealous. I'm like, damn it,
Speaker 1: I want my COVID. Like, let's just get it over
Speaker 1: with already. You know what I'm saying. But it was
Speaker 1: a good break. It was nice time, good holiday. Well
Speaker 1: that's great man. You know, I'm glad to hear you
Speaker 1: and your family had such a happy holiday. Dude, I'm
Speaker 1: glad you at least, you know, got to have yourself
Speaker 1: a merry little Christmas. I I imagine you're excited to
Speaker 1: head back to Montana. Yeah. All my flights back home
Speaker 1: just keep getting serially canceled. Um, so the joy continues. Um. Oh,
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to point out, since you just
Speaker 1: mentioned that you're not there yet, you're heading back, this
Speaker 1: is after the new year, and you are still in
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania because your flight flights have been canceled so many times.
Speaker 1: I'm still stuck here. But you know, if there's one
Speaker 1: thing that is cheering me up a little bit, uh,
Speaker 1: it's all my friends. They've been posting ice fishing pictures.
Speaker 1: All the lakes of Montana are basically frozen up, and
Speaker 1: that means that pretty soon I'm going to be out
Speaker 1: on the ice, and I'm particularly excited about that. And
Speaker 1: I think you know why, well I do. I know.
Speaker 1: I know. One reason is because you were hoping to
Speaker 1: maybe ice fish while you were home, and I kept
Speaker 1: telling you, bro, it's sixty five degrees here. There is
Speaker 1: no ice between here and Buffalo, I promise. Um. But
Speaker 1: I also imagine you're itching to use some of that
Speaker 1: sweet gear you got from thirteen fishing? Is that the reason?
Speaker 1: Very much? So? I've been just like patiently waiting since
Speaker 1: the day I got it to break it out, and
Speaker 1: it seems like the time is finally here. Um. I
Speaker 1: know I've said it at least twice on here, but
Speaker 1: those finesse bates they sent over are just like the
Speaker 1: fishiest things I've ever seen. Oh yeah, dude, And how
Speaker 1: cool were those flash bangs? Right? That's exactly and that
Speaker 1: is exactly what I was thinking of. Those are like,
Speaker 1: by far my favorites. I just think that they're they're
Speaker 1: like well made, you know, uh, Like you get one
Speaker 1: in your hand and you're just like yep, yep. I'll
Speaker 1: just jump in real quick and say that even the
Speaker 1: small soft plastics made for ice fishing, dude, I was
Speaker 1: using a few open water for crop ease over holiday break,
Speaker 1: like the Yeah. And they also don't cost like a
Speaker 1: ship toney either, you know, I think I think the
Speaker 1: flashbangs or eight bucks. It seems like you go to
Speaker 1: like a tackle shop those still exists. You go to
Speaker 1: a tackle shop and you buy like a buck tail
Speaker 1: or whatever, and they're all like hands spun with unicorn
Speaker 1: maine and like made with lead from Mars, and they
Speaker 1: all caused like a hundred bucks. You know, these babies
Speaker 1: are the working man's jigging spoon, right the discerning working
Speaker 1: man's jigging spoon right there. Yes, exactly, Well, yes, super
Speaker 1: super good deal, um, And I'm sorry you had kind
Speaker 1: of a shitty trip out here, and I'm glad you're
Speaker 1: healthy and getting after it sooner on the hard water.
Speaker 1: But i'll tell you what, as shitty as your trip
Speaker 1: may have been, it wasn't anywhere near as shitty in
Speaker 1: the literal sense as the trip that our colleague, former
Speaker 1: guiding good friend Michael come on, that's actually his last name, like,
Speaker 1: come on, man um in this week's Snooth Moves. Why
Speaker 1: all right, So we're here with my buddy Michael Common,
Speaker 1: who is our partnerships coordinator over here meat eater, but
Speaker 1: was also for many years a fish And I just
Speaker 1: gonna jump in and say, I just learned this, Like
Speaker 1: I work with Mike, although like digitally because I'm not
Speaker 1: in Montana, I'm like the East Coast Milton with my
Speaker 1: stapler out here. So I had no idea that Mike
Speaker 1: was a fishing guy. Like we email frequently about all
Speaker 1: sorts of things fishing and work related, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: he was a guide. What all the time we've emailed
Speaker 1: back and forth, Joe, It's nice to finally put a
Speaker 1: face with the name. He was just telling me he
Speaker 1: went he bought a Chuck Norris lore which was on
Speaker 1: end of the line, and at my recommendation, it took
Speaker 1: it to Costa Rica and banged a bunch of mahi
Speaker 1: on it. Oh ship, sure did Joe's on it with
Speaker 1: the Chuck Norris Chuck. Anyway, this is cool. It was
Speaker 1: surprising and cool, and I'm like, I'm I'm pumped that
Speaker 1: we're doing this. Where were you guiding? Man? Well, I
Speaker 1: was a bad country guide for many years, so I
Speaker 1: guided in Wyoming and in Montana here mostly in the
Speaker 1: Bob Marshall Wilderness and then also wrote a boat for
Speaker 1: quite a few years here in the Bozeman area. So
Speaker 1: on the Yellowstone River and the Madison River, and fish
Speaker 1: a lot on the Galton Nice, So right in the
Speaker 1: thick of it, right like right in like like the
Speaker 1: most overcrowded rivers in the state. That yeah, where we
Speaker 1: have lots of competition. And you know, you have a
Speaker 1: better odds of finding a fishing guide than you do
Speaker 1: have probably anything else here in Montana. You know, as
Speaker 1: you started asking around people, you know, it's, uh, it's
Speaker 1: a pretty pretty thick crowd here in town. Yep. So,
Speaker 1: so Joe, Mike was telling me this story when we
Speaker 1: were we were actually elkhin when you told me this story,
Speaker 1: and I immediately knew Joe has to hear this because
Speaker 1: this is just perfect. I have no idea what's coming,
Speaker 1: but I'm I can't wait. I trust you, man, I
Speaker 1: trust you. I can't wait to hear this. That's right
Speaker 1: up your alley. Shoot lay it, honest, dude. So as
Speaker 1: we all know, you know, as a as a guide,
Speaker 1: we we try and do as much as we can
Speaker 1: for our clients all the time, and sometimes we do
Speaker 1: that unbeknowing what actually might happen. So on this particular day,
Speaker 1: we had a couple of clients. We were doing a
Speaker 1: walk away trip, so you know, just on our own
Speaker 1: two feet, kind of walking up and down the river,
Speaker 1: and uh tend to spend more time with one client
Speaker 1: for maybe thirty minutes or an hour, and then you
Speaker 1: kind of bounce back to the other client. So I
Speaker 1: was fishing with two guys this one day. They were
Speaker 1: friends from out of town and um earlier in the day,
Speaker 1: one of the guys that asked me if I had
Speaker 1: a had a pair of gloves that he could borrow.
Speaker 1: He said, sure, of course, you know, I'm you're not
Speaker 1: gonna let a guy go with cold hands. And so
Speaker 1: I had an extra pair of gloves today that I
Speaker 1: let him borrow. And uh, you know, I thought year
Speaker 1: was this, Mike? Was it like gloves weather? Obviously glove weather. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was in Uh, it was in the fall,
Speaker 1: I think. Gosh, I think it was about mid October
Speaker 1: or something like that. So out here in Montana getting
Speaker 1: to that cold time, especially guys out of town, right,
Speaker 1: I I completely forgot that, like only mid July isn't
Speaker 1: glove weather, so it was it was not July, so
Speaker 1: we were wearing glass So so it wasn't out of
Speaker 1: the realm of possibility that he was going to need
Speaker 1: a pair of gloves for the day to to warm
Speaker 1: up his his hands and h especially with cold water
Speaker 1: that we have out here. And uh, so I let
Speaker 1: him borrow with gloves and um, while I was up
Speaker 1: spending time with the other client. Uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't think anything of it, and went back to to
Speaker 1: see how this one gentleman was doing a little bit
Speaker 1: later on, and uh, he proceeds to hand me one
Speaker 1: glove back. I like the Michael Jackson thing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: without the dance moves though, and uh and I asked him,
Speaker 1: I said, well where, John, where did the other glove go?
Speaker 1: And he said, oh, well I had to take a ship.
Speaker 1: I said, okay, well where'd the other glove go? Said? Well,
Speaker 1: I needed to wipe my ass with something. Oh I
Speaker 1: would just call that point blank rude. It's just rude,
Speaker 1: So I h yeah, So I just pretty much handed
Speaker 1: him the one glove back and said, you know what,
Speaker 1: you can keep it. It's my tip to you. And
Speaker 1: uh yeah, So I also said John, I had toilet paper.
Speaker 1: You could have just asked me for toilet paper, point blank.
Speaker 1: You didn't have to go with the glove route. And
Speaker 1: uh so I have quickly learned that if somebody asks
Speaker 1: you to borrow a pair of gloves, ask them what
Speaker 1: they're going to do with it. This is this is
Speaker 1: almost as close as it comes to literally wiping your
Speaker 1: client's ass. Yeah, pretty much. And we haven't had a
Speaker 1: good ship story in a while, so this is very refreshing.
Speaker 1: We were kind of overdue for excrement, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But that's that's extremely that's extremely rude, and
Speaker 1: like that is why buffs were invented. The only reason
Speaker 1: to ever have a buff on and I don't give
Speaker 1: a ship pardon the pun. If it's a Sims buff
Speaker 1: or a buff buff for whoever everybody make, you can
Speaker 1: buy them at Walgreens. Like that's why you spend that
Speaker 1: money to wear that around your neck, Like that's what
Speaker 1: that's for his toilet paper? Right? Yeah, And like to me,
Speaker 1: it's like that guy. Nobody told that guy if you
Speaker 1: fly fish, you have to wear a buff you know.
Speaker 1: So you're kind of at fault there too. You should
Speaker 1: have been like, where's your buff well once Orvius I
Speaker 1: guess starts making them. Maybe they'll see on the fly
Speaker 1: fishing team. You know, I think I have an us
Speaker 1: buff or had one. The other thing I'll say too,
Speaker 1: is um as gross as that is and as rude
Speaker 1: as that is. Maybe you guys have the same thing.
Speaker 1: Like I'm weird about fishing with gloves on. I hate it.
Speaker 1: I hate fishing with gloves on, and we'll avoid it
Speaker 1: at all costs. And I have one pair to forget.
Speaker 1: They're kena or what they are, but they weren't anything
Speaker 1: fancy and they're fingerless gloves, and they're the only gloves
Speaker 1: that I am really comfortable fishing in, whether it's saltwater
Speaker 1: fly fishing or whatever. And like they are so precious.
Speaker 1: Because of that, I've basically done everything with them but
Speaker 1: wipe my ass. And like, even if I had to
Speaker 1: wipe my ass with them, I'd have to bag them
Speaker 1: bring them home because like a good pair of fishing gloves,
Speaker 1: it's very hard to find. I would recommend if you
Speaker 1: are going to use a pair of gloves, don't use
Speaker 1: fingerless gloves to wipe your ass. Joe, Well, yeah, if
Speaker 1: it's all in your hand. Wait a minute, now, you
Speaker 1: just you just open up a whole other can of worms.
Speaker 1: Do you do you figure that he used your glove
Speaker 1: like like a single piece of charmante? Or did he
Speaker 1: put his hand in the glove and then wipe his
Speaker 1: ass with the hand in the glove, which would be
Speaker 1: more pressure and probably clear off more ship. I guess
Speaker 1: in my mind, I've just envisioned the hand in the
Speaker 1: glove using it like a glove. This is a horrible,
Speaker 1: horrible conversation. Now it's wonderful. It's absolutely wonderful, and I
Speaker 1: appreciate it very much. Dude, what the hell is wrong
Speaker 1: with man? That crazy? I asked myself that question at
Speaker 1: least ten times every time I go out in public.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. It's mind blowing to meet
Speaker 1: lose a soccer or something, bro use some leaves, something
Speaker 1: anything else. Like I said, this is why buffs were invented,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, That's what they're great for. Anyway,
Speaker 1: let's move off of this. Let's move off of this topic. Okay, agreed,
Speaker 1: And speaking of wiping, I'm about to wipe the floor
Speaker 1: with you, Joe Sassy. That's right, boys and girls, it's
Speaker 1: time for that weekly competition we call fish news. Fish news.
Speaker 1: That escalated quickly. Alrighty, then first news of how fresh
Speaker 1: and exciting is that? Yeah, a little Ventura bumbaway Juna. Um. Good.
Speaker 1: You don't catch Christmas vacation, but you get Asha Ventura.
Speaker 1: You've heard about the Christmas vacation thing. I know you've
Speaker 1: heard it from several people, but it's impossible for you
Speaker 1: to have not seen that. Um. Before we get started,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to drop a little plug, if I may, um,
Speaker 1: for a piece that I published on the Meat Eater
Speaker 1: website this week, which is is rare. And I know this.
Speaker 1: I am a right yeah, well it is. I am
Speaker 1: a writer, um that seems to have little time to
Speaker 1: write anymore because I'm busy doing other things. UM, But
Speaker 1: I am trying to get back into that groove a
Speaker 1: little bit this year. Um. And earlier in this this
Speaker 1: very show, you had mentioned the brown trout fishing that
Speaker 1: you missed. Well, the story I posted this week is
Speaker 1: tied to that trip, um. And I'm making the case
Speaker 1: right that if you want to become a better fly
Speaker 1: fisherman with streamers in particular, put down the fly rod
Speaker 1: and throw Laura's in bait. So how's that? What is
Speaker 1: the guy who insists that there's there's no better way
Speaker 1: to catch a trout than with a fly rod have
Speaker 1: to say about that? I'm curious? Well, um, I you know, honestly, guy, man,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what if you uh, if you go
Speaker 1: back in that an email inbox that we so religiously check,
Speaker 1: you will see a email that I replied to and
Speaker 1: didn't that email A listener was asking me what he
Speaker 1: could do too, you know, kind of up his odds
Speaker 1: of being successful in fly fishing as he you know,
Speaker 1: got more into it. And one of the things that
Speaker 1: I suggested is to go find a pond scouted out
Speaker 1: using bait and Bobber's find the fish and then like
Speaker 1: learn how to fish for him. So I do think
Speaker 1: that that being a bait fisherman will in fact make
Speaker 1: you better fly fisherman. I don't know, man, I agree
Speaker 1: with that wholeheartedly. Is that the same guy that you
Speaker 1: told to watch a whole bunch of Joan Wolf videos
Speaker 1: on VHS or something? Yeah? Yeah I did. And you
Speaker 1: know what else? If that pisses you off, you anybody
Speaker 1: who was like I'm talking to everybody right now, I'm
Speaker 1: ready to fight, bro, you know, I'm just go Hayden
Speaker 1: will reply to a band email and I'll see the
Speaker 1: reply later. And there was one I was like, Joan
Speaker 1: Wolf on Beta Max, what are you telling this poor guy? Anyway, Anyway, anyway,
Speaker 1: I hope some of you guys check it out on
Speaker 1: the meter dot com. It was enjoyable to get back
Speaker 1: to my roots a bit and write something other than
Speaker 1: a podcast segment for a change. Uh So let's uh,
Speaker 1: let's get into news. It's a new year. Will there
Speaker 1: be a new Phil tailor to Judges? Has he reinvented
Speaker 1: himself for two? Uh? We will find out because remember
Speaker 1: this is a competition. Hayden and I do not know
Speaker 1: which news weapons the other guy is bringing to this fight.
Speaker 1: And uh, it's your leadoff, I believe this week, which
Speaker 1: is an advantage for you. So what do you got, bro?
Speaker 1: What do you got? Okay? This one's for Joe Wolf.
Speaker 1: Uh Okay, Joe. So this week I kind of have
Speaker 1: like a quick hit from for you from the from
Speaker 1: the State of Texas. The stars at night are big
Speaker 1: and bright, deep in the heart of Texas. If I
Speaker 1: hadn't used that clip from Pee Wee Herman so many
Speaker 1: times already. I would I would have Phil Subbitt in
Speaker 1: here again, but we'll skip it. Did I tell you
Speaker 1: what happened when that episode played. I was in the car.
Speaker 1: I was in the car with my buddy, the one
Speaker 1: that you used that for previously. I was in the
Speaker 1: car with my buddy who's from Oklahoma, and Dude, that
Speaker 1: clip played and it was like he remembered he was
Speaker 1: in a cult. Immediately he just started like and he
Speaker 1: clapped at one point. Yeah. There, absolutely, it was super weird,
Speaker 1: like it like just flipped a switch in his lizard
Speaker 1: brain man, and he was straight. You know, we might
Speaker 1: not teach you shit about fishing, but if we can
Speaker 1: take you back to pee Wee's big adventure for just
Speaker 1: one second, you know we're doing God's work anyway. Sorry, Yeah,
Speaker 1: go on with the news, please. So, according to the
Speaker 1: Dallas Morning News, residents of tex Orkna witnessed what is
Speaker 1: known as an animal rain. And what is that, you
Speaker 1: may have It is not a period of time in
Speaker 1: which animals ruled with an iron fist, but rather but
Speaker 1: rather the actual raining of animals, as like like they
Speaker 1: fell from the heavens. M I'm glad to clarify that
Speaker 1: it'd be it would be spelled differently if it was raining,
Speaker 1: like like raining blood U slayer, But okay, just raining. Okay,
Speaker 1: So animals are falling from the skuy go on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to get folks confused anyway, The residents
Speaker 1: found the ground like littered with fish after thunderstorms rolled
Speaker 1: through the Texarcana area last Wednesday. Over a dozen people
Speaker 1: called in to report it. Now here's the weird thing though,
Speaker 1: I mean, like, animals falling from the sky is pretty weird.
Speaker 1: But like, here's the other weird thing. An animal rain
Speaker 1: is typically like very like explicable. Uh. Storm rolls in,
Speaker 1: generates water spout over nearby body of water. The water
Speaker 1: spout sucks in the fish into posits to them and
Speaker 1: where I think most fish would consider an undesirable location,
Speaker 1: like tech Sarcanaara, I love you Texan kidding, we're talking
Speaker 1: about just landed general. It's not a thing. But here's
Speaker 1: the weird thing. Meteorologists issued no water spout warnings in
Speaker 1: the area, and looking back on the data, have since
Speaker 1: struggled to find any indicator of the type of conditions
Speaker 1: that would cause one to develop. Now it's unclear as
Speaker 1: to whether people reporting this phenomenon actually saw the fish
Speaker 1: falling from the sky or simply walked outside and found
Speaker 1: a bunch of fish where they weren't supposed to be,
Speaker 1: which leads to another possible explanation that being rising floodwaters
Speaker 1: moved the fish out of water bodies they inhabited, then
Speaker 1: stranded them on shore after the flood receded. This would
Speaker 1: seem plausible except for the fact that there was no
Speaker 1: reported flooding. Plot thickens a lot thickens of this mystery.
Speaker 1: Meteorologist Brandon Thorne said, quote, we're kind of confused as
Speaker 1: to how it happened as well, to be honest, which
Speaker 1: is exactly how I hope like the official statement reads. Um. Now,
Speaker 1: despite the fact that we know meteorologists are generally never
Speaker 1: ever wrong, I'm going to assume that there was a
Speaker 1: water spout that happened that their model didn't pick up,
Speaker 1: because that seems way more plausible than people not noticing
Speaker 1: a flood. Yeah, I you know, I'm so this. I
Speaker 1: heard about this story, like I didn't. I didn't read
Speaker 1: it at all. Um, But we've we've covered some similar
Speaker 1: things in the past about fish falling out of the sky,
Speaker 1: and there's always that stuff on the Science Channel, like
Speaker 1: about weird blobs that fell from the sky in h
Speaker 1: You're right, it was Now that I think about it, um,
Speaker 1: you know, so I will say, I will say that
Speaker 1: I'm I'm curious now because we've ruled out the two things,
Speaker 1: is that it most likely could be. So I'm curious
Speaker 1: to see where we're going here. Yeah. I think they
Speaker 1: just didn't like notice of water spout on their model,
Speaker 1: or like, I don't know, nature did some like weird
Speaker 1: ship that wasn't like immediately detectable. Okay, So to close
Speaker 1: out this story, I want to read a direct passage
Speaker 1: from the article in the Dallas Morning News. Here, uh
Speaker 1: says Devin Seawell, a sales manager at the ore Max
Speaker 1: car dealership in Texarkana, said he thought a neighboring business
Speaker 1: had thrown out fish between two and six inches long
Speaker 1: into the roadway when he walked outside Wednesday afternoon. Sounds
Speaker 1: like some reno shit. Then he goes on to say,
Speaker 1: this is a quote from see what he says. Then
Speaker 1: I started looking on the ground and there were fish
Speaker 1: everywhere for about a hundred yards. Seawell said. The following
Speaker 1: fish up in the talk of the town and that
Speaker 1: people have been getting a kick out of the quirky phenomenon.
Speaker 1: What's going there's probably not a whole much a lot
Speaker 1: of other stuff going in Texas our cannon to talk about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he says, Uh, what's going to stink is I'm going
Speaker 1: to have to clean these fish out of the back
Speaker 1: of these trucks now, seatwell said, well, good, well, good
Speaker 1: on him for having trucks at the or Max car
Speaker 1: dealership in this time of of of car and truck shortages.
Speaker 1: So he's ahead of the game there, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? True? Should we should we just make like
Speaker 1: a plug for the for the or Max Car dealers.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of shopping for a new truck. Im my
Speaker 1: head down there. Well, I'll take them keep the fish
Speaker 1: in the back, bro Which, by the way, what kind
Speaker 1: of fish are they have? You said? You know, honestly,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't notice what kind they look like?
Speaker 1: Some like little Uh they were gizzard chat. I was
Speaker 1: just going to say to read it and I saw
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they were gizzard chat, which that you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, Although I'll tell you what, man,
Speaker 1: there's nothing more difficult than keeping those things alive without
Speaker 1: like a good like aeration system, and those things you
Speaker 1: look at them wrong and they die. Um. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: kept you've kept a lot of gizzard chad, Yeah, a handful. Well,
Speaker 1: not like a bunch, but like you know, I've tried
Speaker 1: to go catfish with them, like several times, just busting
Speaker 1: your balls. Go ahead, I have indeed kept my fair
Speaker 1: share of gizzard chad. Anyway. I also thought, being okay,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of meat on this on the
Speaker 1: bone for this story, right, like, there was probably water
Speaker 1: spout fish fell onto the town and it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's raining fish. That's crazy. The end, I thought it
Speaker 1: would be fun to mention three notable instances of animal
Speaker 1: rain that happened in the past if we could get
Speaker 1: a drumroll, please not fun with it this weekend. Totally necessary,
Speaker 1: but I said, all right, right. Instance one in May
Speaker 1: of in the Southern table Lands region of Australia, they
Speaker 1: were treated to a spring or I guess fall shower
Speaker 1: in the way of millions of spiders. Okay, bro, come on, man,
Speaker 1: work with me here, bro, I'm working and listening. We
Speaker 1: worked together, all right. Well, the drum roll. In September
Speaker 1: of in Philadelphia, a woman was struck by a catfish
Speaker 1: that appeared to have fallen from the sky, although realistically
Speaker 1: like that could have been thrown by anybody in Philly,
Speaker 1: like I feel like we like I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that was my friend Pete Sharf aka
Speaker 1: Melvin the Fisherman on Instagram. Shout out to him. He
Speaker 1: just catches flatheads and throws him off the overpass on
Speaker 1: the on seven sixties seven or six seventies six or
Speaker 1: whatever it is. I'm just kidding. I hope that's not
Speaker 1: true of the incident. The victim of the errant catfish,
Speaker 1: Lisa Lowbree, said, suddenly I was slammed by something. I
Speaker 1: was like what, I was freaking out. That's a great
Speaker 1: quote quote from Yeah, this one's better. Here's my favorite
Speaker 1: of the three, entirely because of the quote. In August
Speaker 1: two thousand seven, the residents of Jennings, Louisiana, were treated
Speaker 1: to a refreshing sprinkle of worms. One of the eyewitnesses
Speaker 1: was a cop who was quoted as saying, when I
Speaker 1: saw they were crawling, I said, it's worms. Get out
Speaker 1: of the way, oh man, that's a. That's a that's
Speaker 1: a pretty good one. Um. Yeah, So well, I think
Speaker 1: we're we're lacking a bit of closure on exactly what
Speaker 1: happened there in Texas Arcana. But that's okay. It's always funny,
Speaker 1: but I think it's always good to talk about these
Speaker 1: weekly world news style stories every once in a while. UM.
Speaker 1: I have personal experience actually with um with fish rain.
Speaker 1: Believe it or not, you've ever told you this? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so the Sunday right before Christmas, we were brown trout
Speaker 1: fishing and I was making it just rain slob brown trout,
Speaker 1: and had it's not been delayed, you you would have
Speaker 1: been there is such a dick to get in on
Speaker 1: the slub brown trout rain. Anyway, that was fun, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: Please enter your pants word you have one unheard message.
Speaker 1: Hey guys, this is from HRU for the last time.
Speaker 1: You need to stop making fun of step in Chester
Speaker 1: for I want to complain it quick for catching deep walleye. Seriously,
Speaker 1: this is a verbal warning. Please do you know how
Speaker 1: to make me exploit? All right? Have a great day
Speaker 1: by end of message Delete priss seven save deleted. Where
Speaker 1: am I gonna go with this? Now? How do I
Speaker 1: follow up fish rain um fish falling from the sky
Speaker 1: to to fish. We can no longer catch terrible transition.
Speaker 1: But I don't I don't care, because damn what I
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna I'm trying to win this week. So
Speaker 1: here's an interesting tidbit all the way from Hawaii, KA
Speaker 1: via k h O N two dot com. As of
Speaker 1: January one two, get this, it is now illegal to
Speaker 1: fish for sharks in Hawaiian state waters. Okay, so that's
Speaker 1: kind of a big deal right now. Hawaii has already
Speaker 1: passed bills in the in the recent past to try
Speaker 1: and stop a legal commercial trade of sharks and shark
Speaker 1: by products. But as far as I know, could be wrong,
Speaker 1: but I'm pretty confident here. This is the first time
Speaker 1: in history a U. S. State has made it illegal
Speaker 1: to knowingly and knowingly is the key word target or
Speaker 1: capture any species of shark um. Of course, part of
Speaker 1: this is also to crackdown on sharks getting caught as
Speaker 1: by catching gill nets, but it certainly applies to rod
Speaker 1: and real angling. So this was all passed under Act
Speaker 1: fifty one, House Bill five thirty three, and the specific
Speaker 1: wording is this um except as provid aided in subsection F,
Speaker 1: which I'll get to in a second, or as otherwise
Speaker 1: provided by law. No person shall intentionally or knowingly capture
Speaker 1: or entangle any shark, whether alive or dead, or kill
Speaker 1: any shark within state marine waters. Any person violating this
Speaker 1: section or any rule adopted pursue into this section shall
Speaker 1: be guilty of a misdemeanor. Right now, subsection F. This
Speaker 1: is referring to the ability you can still obtain I
Speaker 1: guess um special activity permits to target sharks, but there's
Speaker 1: not much detail on how you'd qualify for those. But
Speaker 1: my guests would be that's for you know, tagging and
Speaker 1: research studies, right, things like that. So here's a quote
Speaker 1: from the story. The purpose of the band is to
Speaker 1: protect sharks for their ecological value, while not criminalizing the
Speaker 1: accidental capture and release of sharks that may be captured
Speaker 1: while fishing for other species as allowed by statute or rules.
Speaker 1: So if you accidentally hook a shark while fishing for
Speaker 1: something else, no problem. But as I understand that, this
Speaker 1: now states that you can no longer in Hawaii set
Speaker 1: out to target sharks specifically, And I gotta say, um,
Speaker 1: that's not a super easy thing to enforce, at least
Speaker 1: in my opinion, because some people might assume, um, well,
Speaker 1: you know, if if a guy is telling me he's
Speaker 1: fishing for grouper right, but he's using wire or cable,
Speaker 1: he's probably lying right. But these days it's fair to
Speaker 1: keep in mind that that many shark fishermen um will
Speaker 1: tell you they get more bites on super heavy floral
Speaker 1: carbon even I've done this and a big s circle hook,
Speaker 1: then they do on wire and cable. It's kind of
Speaker 1: been proven that if you know how to rig right,
Speaker 1: you don't need the heavy cable and the heavy metal
Speaker 1: to get it done. So I guess I guess you
Speaker 1: wouldn't write because if that circle hook is just straight
Speaker 1: up in the corner of their mount, if it does
Speaker 1: its job, although I lost the only makeo I ever
Speaker 1: hooked on my boat because of that, but for the
Speaker 1: most part, if it does it job, if it does
Speaker 1: its job and it seats properly. Um, And we used
Speaker 1: to use like we're talking about, you know, commercial like
Speaker 1: longline thickness circle hooks, big gas circle hooks on three
Speaker 1: pound flora. But if its seats properly, most of the
Speaker 1: time you will land that shark if that's what you
Speaker 1: intend to do. Um, So I think that it it
Speaker 1: could be a tricky thing to prove in in some cases.
Speaker 1: Now here's the thing. Uh. While that's certainly a you know,
Speaker 1: a big deal, especially in Hawaii where there's there's so
Speaker 1: many varieties of sharks, they're so common, they're all over
Speaker 1: the place. I'm also I'm not gonna lie, I'm a
Speaker 1: little bit torn about this story, right um. And I
Speaker 1: can't help but think about the reaction to such a
Speaker 1: band in the lower forty eight. And on one hand,
Speaker 1: we've talked about this a bunch. I totally agree that
Speaker 1: sharks need protection right There's no doubt that on this
Speaker 1: planet sharks need protection. Right now, I think they needed
Speaker 1: against large scale commercial operations, global fitting operations more than anything,
Speaker 1: not recreational fishing. And I feel that way about a
Speaker 1: lot of different species. It's not really the wreck guys
Speaker 1: that are the ultimate noblem um. And And while I
Speaker 1: think it's fair to say that the overall amount of
Speaker 1: serious shark fisherman in the US is dwindling, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's just not what it was, you know, twenty thirty
Speaker 1: years ago. There are still hotspots with thriving cultures tied
Speaker 1: to sharking. And while there are always gonna be some assholes,
Speaker 1: right to put it bluntly, most of the guys I
Speaker 1: know that still spend a lot of time targeting sharks
Speaker 1: these days are some of the most conservation minded anglers
Speaker 1: that you'll ever meet, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: they take the well being of the sharks they catch
Speaker 1: very seriously. Um, you know, thinking back to the biggest
Speaker 1: fish I ever caught was a ten foot hammerhead from
Speaker 1: the sand in Florida with my buddy Zach Miller. That's
Speaker 1: how we met. Zack's been on this show a bunch
Speaker 1: of times, and to this day, I'm I'm really sad
Speaker 1: I don't have a great picture of myself with that fish.
Speaker 1: I have one sort of blurry, half asked shot. Because
Speaker 1: even though these guys who do this are so gung
Speaker 1: ho about it, right, um, they they need, they want
Speaker 1: and need that shark to swim away clean. You can't
Speaker 1: kill that species, you can fish for it. And they
Speaker 1: understand that if a dead you know, hammer head washes
Speaker 1: up two days later, it's gonna be in the news
Speaker 1: and it's gonna paint the guys who who shark fishing
Speaker 1: in bad light. So I mean, after a long fight,
Speaker 1: this fish came in and it was like wham bam gone,
Speaker 1: Like these guys wanted it back in the water asap,
Speaker 1: you know. And then you look at other guys like
Speaker 1: Conway Bowman, who's been on the show. He pioneered fly
Speaker 1: fishing for mako sharks in California, one of the most
Speaker 1: conservation focus people. You pass a band like that here,
Speaker 1: he's done, you know, I mean, he can't, he can't
Speaker 1: even do that anymore. Um. You know, you you you
Speaker 1: pass a band like that in Florida, You're destroying a
Speaker 1: community of the land based guys that have existed for decades.
Speaker 1: So in a way, I understand that what I'm saying
Speaker 1: right now is kind of of two faced, because I
Speaker 1: do strongly agree with shark conservation. Um, I'm fully on
Speaker 1: board with not killing them. But I mean, I have
Speaker 1: a three year old son who's enamored with sharks. I
Speaker 1: was enamored with sharks growing up. I look forward to
Speaker 1: him being old enough to tangle with one. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. We don't have to kill it, We're not,
Speaker 1: We don't. We don't have to do that. But I
Speaker 1: I still, as an angler and a salty guy, would
Speaker 1: be sad if that opportunity was was completely taken off
Speaker 1: the table, you know what I mean. So I think
Speaker 1: it's interesting what they've done here in Hawaii, but I'm
Speaker 1: also a little bit like, uh, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't want to see that go away for the
Speaker 1: the guys that care and can do it responsibly. I
Speaker 1: don't think you in two faced man, I think like
Speaker 1: you're you're being nuanced. You know, there is a huge difference,
Speaker 1: you know, between somebody trying to catch something and experience
Speaker 1: that animal in a recreational pursuit. You experience what it is,
Speaker 1: you feel the power, you appreciate what you've got on
Speaker 1: the end of the line, but you know you're not
Speaker 1: trying to bring that fish harm right right, and and
Speaker 1: like you know, somebody finning sharks. Those two things are
Speaker 1: wildly different to me. One is more appreciative and one
Speaker 1: is like obviously exploitative. Yeah, But I also, I mean,
Speaker 1: I do sympathize. I understand that that. You know, with
Speaker 1: a lot of rules for for a lot of things,
Speaker 1: be it animals or fish or whatever, sometimes it's very
Speaker 1: hard to make everybody happy, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: you kind of have to sometimes go with an all
Speaker 1: or nothing approach, and uh, you know, I I think
Speaker 1: maybe that's the case here in Hawaii. You know, it
Speaker 1: kind of goes back to do you remember a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, or maybe a couple months ago, that
Speaker 1: story they I think it was your story. They did
Speaker 1: a survey of charter captains. Oh, how do you feel
Speaker 1: when the shark takes your grouper off the line service?
Speaker 1: I feel bad. I don't like when that happens. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And they were kind of implying that like people who
Speaker 1: have experienced that would develop such a strong anti sharks
Speaker 1: sentiment that they would go out and purposely like target
Speaker 1: sharks to get him out of the area. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know any Florida captains or otherwise
Speaker 1: that would would do that. Yeah, you know, I wonder
Speaker 1: if there's like a similar sort of logic that's like
Speaker 1: kind of permeating you know, this decision personally. Man, You know,
Speaker 1: I've never gone out in targeted sharks, but I think
Speaker 1: one day, you know, I'd like to. I got a
Speaker 1: cousin down in like Boca, who he actually does a
Speaker 1: bunch of sword fishing, and he's been kind of crushing
Speaker 1: him lately. It's pretty cool. But you know, I'd like
Speaker 1: to go down there and maybe catch a shark with him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just want to have that option too, you know.
Speaker 1: And uh again, well, you know, we're we're we're at
Speaker 1: I don't want to make it sound like this is
Speaker 1: eminent in all states. It's not. I'm just sort of
Speaker 1: supposing and thinking ahead, like you know, even down in
Speaker 1: the keys and stuff like that. For the most part,
Speaker 1: it'sn't really messing with sharks. But every once in a while,
Speaker 1: you know, you get that that tourist charter with with
Speaker 1: the kids, and that's what they want to do. You're
Speaker 1: having a cold front day, you can go, you can
Speaker 1: go play with sharks. So, um, would I ultimately be
Speaker 1: sad if it was like nobody's allowed to kill one
Speaker 1: any species any kind Again, No, that wouldn't. That wouldn't
Speaker 1: bother me as much as someone saying you can't go
Speaker 1: out there and do that. You can. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: not like it's not like we're talking about bull trout here.
Speaker 1: You know, We're we're not talking about something that hasn't
Speaker 1: been talking about bull trout and I'm talking about sharking. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I have no idea. People, way in go ahead, Joe
Speaker 1: and listeners. I'm sorry to disappoint you yet again. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, we're not talking about something that really has
Speaker 1: a particular like conservation designation. I mean, sure some sharks
Speaker 1: do right obviously, but a lot of like the sharks
Speaker 1: that are commonly caught, like, don't fall into that. Like
Speaker 1: my buddy Jack, one of his only like fishing stories.
Speaker 1: You can tell me he's not really an angler. He's
Speaker 1: somebody who went in it on vacation, was like about
Speaker 1: a lemon shark that he caught. Nothing wrong with catching
Speaker 1: a lemon sharks. Yeah, there's there's a there's a lot
Speaker 1: of sharks, um. You know, I see a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff on YouTube now and again on on on catching
Speaker 1: cook black tips down in Florida. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: They're not in danger. There's there's plenty of them, um,
Speaker 1: you know. So anyhow, it is definitely case by case.
Speaker 1: But interesting, uh that that Hawaii went that way. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see if that becomes a model for
Speaker 1: anything else. And I'm also curious to, um, just to
Speaker 1: see you know it's fill into fish falling from the
Speaker 1: sky or you know, protecting the man eaters. I I
Speaker 1: really don't know. We're gonna hear from Phil for the
Speaker 1: first time in the new year, with new eyes, new perspective.
Speaker 1: See what Phil has. Phil's problem right now, I don't
Speaker 1: give a shit about your new sections. Stop teeing me
Speaker 1: up so hard, um. But then as soon as we're done,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. We're gonna go into the saale
Speaker 1: bin and we're gonna take a wild ride. We're gonna
Speaker 1: take a wild ride to start the new year with
Speaker 1: the sale bin. Hayden, even you knew I could hear
Speaker 1: it in your voice. The win this week is going
Speaker 1: to Joe Sirmli. Sorry, Hayden, but I do have a
Speaker 1: consolation prize. Recreational marijuana is now legal in Montana, so congratulations.
Speaker 1: You can finally stop hitting up your cousin in Boca
Speaker 1: or buying that skunk weed from Lance V that he
Speaker 1: steals from his mom. Why did you put the hand
Speaker 1: to pay You don't know what I'm getting, man, You
Speaker 1: didn't have to be so hurtful with me angry. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start off this sale bind with a broad generalization.
Speaker 1: And while it may mildly upset some folks, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: or at least hoping, I guess that that most of
Speaker 1: you are gonna say, yep, Joe's right, okay. And that
Speaker 1: generalization is that people who own jet boats are cowboys. Okay.
Speaker 1: It's as if the jet boat, I don't know, like
Speaker 1: gives them license to thwart common sense and other safety
Speaker 1: measures associated with normal boating, right and just say just
Speaker 1: say it. Um. I have, on more than one occasion
Speaker 1: just stood staring at a low ass river and thought,
Speaker 1: the idea of running any hard bottom boat with a
Speaker 1: fast engine here is nuts. And the answer I get
Speaker 1: every time I voiced that concern whoever I'm with is basically,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. Bro, I got a jetboat, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like it's it Just have you
Speaker 1: ever spent any time? Have you fished on a jetboat
Speaker 1: before run a jetboat? You know? I have not personally
Speaker 1: uh ridden in a jet boat. However, like being so
Speaker 1: close to the yellow Stone, I see a lot of him. Um.
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm also like very familiar with like that mentality.
Speaker 1: I know two folks at the office who will remain
Speaker 1: nameless who sort of recently took out a little bit
Speaker 1: too far and found themselves ordering some spare parts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I feel like that that happens a lot, Like
Speaker 1: nobody ever comes out completely like unscathed if you if
Speaker 1: you run it long enough, you know what I'm saying. Um,
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I feel like there's there's no
Speaker 1: running a jet conservatively right. It's either balls to the
Speaker 1: wall or nothing. And I've listened to so many jetboat
Speaker 1: owners back that up with with bravado, like even my
Speaker 1: even my buddy Captain Eric Kerber or Eric Garber as
Speaker 1: you like to call him. Um, he mentioned that, by
Speaker 1: the way, on the talk trip that you missed, does
Speaker 1: not manage it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Um. But he used
Speaker 1: to run a jetboat as part of his charter business
Speaker 1: on the river here now on like on his bigger
Speaker 1: ocean boat. He's a very safety oriented guy, like it's
Speaker 1: like top priority. But when he had that river jet
Speaker 1: he talked about was like cutting the engine to slide
Speaker 1: over a rock bar in three inches of water doing
Speaker 1: eighty miles an hour. And it's like whoa, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I I don't understand it. It's
Speaker 1: like the dude who hits the emergency break in the
Speaker 1: snow on a road to like take a turn that way.
Speaker 1: It's like, holy sh it, Like, dude, who are you?
Speaker 1: Like when you get on this jet boat, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like you get on it and you just like
Speaker 1: you get on a jet and becomes Stevo all of
Speaker 1: a sudden or something. I think there's like something about
Speaker 1: like an inhibition just just going out the window is
Speaker 1: soon as you're like, but see they're not They're not
Speaker 1: indestructible though, you know what I mean. Like it's I
Speaker 1: don't understand. It's like it doesn't mean you can go anywhere,
Speaker 1: but it's like yeah, but I mean, like you know,
Speaker 1: most of this ship is like, oh, I don't want
Speaker 1: to dig my prop, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: I don't want to do my prop and I want
Speaker 1: to like, you know, to take the whole back out
Speaker 1: of this thing. And once like that's out of the
Speaker 1: equation and people are just like I'm just half a
Speaker 1: bullet right now. You know, yes, you're right, but okay,
Speaker 1: you take the prop out of the equation. But like
Speaker 1: if you don't make it over the rock bar dooing fifty,
Speaker 1: it's just gonna eject you to your death. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying Like it's I don't know, I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not a cowboy with anything I do. UM. But look,
Speaker 1: in case you haven't already guessed it right, today's sale
Speaker 1: ban item is in fact a jet boat. Um. But
Speaker 1: the way it's presented is perfect because it backs up
Speaker 1: every single thing um that we've just talked about and
Speaker 1: I've just said. And this was sent to us by
Speaker 1: listener Nick Shimp. Okay, it's listed on Facebook marketplace in Afton, Illinois,
Speaker 1: and right out of the gate the title is John
Speaker 1: Jet with two T s in jet, thereby riffing off
Speaker 1: of Rocker J. Now the seller is asking clams for
Speaker 1: this souped up John. But while the description is short
Speaker 1: and sweet, it's poetry. It's pure poetry. Would you like
Speaker 1: to do the honors on on the description here? I would?
Speaker 1: I would please m It reads sketchy cars, not your thing?
Speaker 1: Doing doing sixty on a moped A no for you?
Speaker 1: That's okay. I got sketchy water stuff too. Sketchy water
Speaker 1: stuff three hundred cc Kawasaki jet ski running gear in
Speaker 1: a twelve ft John Boat. No, So this is even
Speaker 1: this is this is bootleg. Yeah, we'll get there. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's totally bootleg. No leaks runs out, nice turns great,
Speaker 1: shallow water running s O B. Yeah. So so he's
Speaker 1: created it's a John boat jet ski hybrid, which I
Speaker 1: mean that that is so water world like Slay mad Max.
Speaker 1: I love it, um, but I mean even the guys
Speaker 1: selling it has basically admitted that it's it's sketchy a
Speaker 1: f as the kids say, which which maybe what prompted
Speaker 1: his closing words in the description, right, and this is
Speaker 1: this is an incredible So he ends with this, if
Speaker 1: you're scared to go to church, if you're broke, don't
Speaker 1: message me O B O trades welcome And that's it.
Speaker 1: It's funny, man, because when you look at the photo,
Speaker 1: and there's only one photo, right, yeah, you would never
Speaker 1: know it was tricked out. It just looks like a shitty,
Speaker 1: old like aluminum John with shag carpet glued over the
Speaker 1: bench seat. I honestly don't really understand how you even
Speaker 1: control this thing. Yeah, without having more photos, I I
Speaker 1: don't really see it. I can't get my mind around either.
Speaker 1: It's just a bunch of of of jangkeie wiring and
Speaker 1: electrical tape spewing out from around just one of those
Speaker 1: cheap ass folding boat seats that's been bolted in the middle.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I I don't know. I
Speaker 1: I would love to know what's up. So somebody please
Speaker 1: buy us. Somebody out there please buy this uh and
Speaker 1: report back because it's either a death trap or the
Speaker 1: coolest thing ever. It really could could go either way.
Speaker 1: Do you know how many emails were about to get
Speaker 1: suggesting that we buy it for doss boat? Uh? Dude,
Speaker 1: every yeah, everything that we post that floats, somebody says
Speaker 1: like that next the next us boat. Um. But dude,
Speaker 1: I'd be down for this one. I mean it, it
Speaker 1: would be a scream um. Anyway, Nick, thanks so much
Speaker 1: for sending this one our way. UH. And and listen.
Speaker 1: If you have a salebin item that you'd like us
Speaker 1: to see from your favorite online classified or or just
Speaker 1: just came to me. How about a story of some
Speaker 1: crazy ship you've experienced on a jet boat. We'd love
Speaker 1: to hear that too. Please send those along to Bent
Speaker 1: at the meat Eater dot com. If you're scared, go
Speaker 1: to church. If you're broke, don't message me that should
Speaker 1: be a bumper sticker. That was my favorite part of
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Speaker 1: um anyhow, Yeah, it's a segment we're calling the bent Helpline. Um. Now,
Speaker 1: we've been asking you guys to submit questions for it. Uh.
Speaker 1: Joe I put out a call on the old instant
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Speaker 1: Joe than me, but I'll try my best to so.
Speaker 1: Without further ado, here we go. What do you laughing at, Marktini?
Speaker 1: You're not an idiot, you're not a gamblooning help more,
Speaker 1: you're a fisherman. Best what's your am? All right? So,
Speaker 1: welcome to the inaugural edition of the bent Helpline. It's
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Speaker 1: get to be first. I'm really excited for this, man.
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Speaker 1: I hope we can deliver. Joe. What do you think, man? Oh?
Speaker 1: I think, well, I don't know if we can deliver
Speaker 1: because we don't really know as much as people think
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Speaker 1: a short time since we started asking for questions, you
Speaker 1: and I have sat around and been like, holy sh it,
Speaker 1: there's so many good questions like it just such a
Speaker 1: short span of time. Um, we grappled with the first
Speaker 1: one because we've gotten so many good ones from so
Speaker 1: many different angles, which is cool because it changes up
Speaker 1: all the time, you know what I mean. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I literally before recording this, we sat around for
Speaker 1: like thirty minutes talking about like, oh, well, this one,
Speaker 1: this one, this one. We want to answer them all
Speaker 1: so good. We appreciate you guys for that. It's it's
Speaker 1: really cool. Yeah, and keep them coming. We want to
Speaker 1: answer them all, but going forward, but we cannot. Just
Speaker 1: established that we cannot answer them all. We do have
Speaker 1: a surprise that we're gonna get to some more of
Speaker 1: them eventually, but for this segment, we're gonna answer one
Speaker 1: at a time. And this week's question comes from Hunter Shields,
Speaker 1: and he asks, dear Ben, how do you guys choose
Speaker 1: fish to harvest with conservation in mind, not the legality
Speaker 1: of it? So what he means is like, you know
Speaker 1: bag limits aside or cree limits aside, and you know
Speaker 1: legal specifications to which you can take mm hm, which
Speaker 1: ones are you choosing? Joe, I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna let you lead off. Man, are okay he's scared?
Speaker 1: I am scared of this question? Um at First of all,
Speaker 1: congrats two Hunter, Yeah, first question man on the bent helpline.
Speaker 1: So my answer to that, I guess um to answer
Speaker 1: it properly. A thing to know about me, right, I've
Speaker 1: I've never been much of like a a freezer stalker,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like there's select fish that
Speaker 1: I really enjoy that um. I like, I like having
Speaker 1: some one hand, I like having it in the freezer.
Speaker 1: But I've never been the guy you know that that
Speaker 1: feels that need to always just have my my garage
Speaker 1: freezer stacked with fish. Um I. And and you know
Speaker 1: some fish freeze is better than others, right, we know that.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, man, I'm just not I've never
Speaker 1: been as quite as excited to eat a piece of
Speaker 1: fish that's been frozen for a few months as I
Speaker 1: am to eat it fresh. So I really enjoy fresh fish. Um.
Speaker 1: And with that in mind, I tend to uh lean
Speaker 1: towards keeping only what I know I'll be able to
Speaker 1: eat fresh in the near term. So like stripe bass
Speaker 1: is an example. Um, in my younger days, Yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: I I was. I was the guy that would would
Speaker 1: would take the forty pounder, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and and take it to the tackle shop for the
Speaker 1: photo and all that. I don't keep very many stripers
Speaker 1: at all anymore, hardly ever. But if I were going
Speaker 1: to purely for the reason that I felt like eating
Speaker 1: a nice piece of delicious fresh striper, I'd be looking
Speaker 1: for the one that was like the minimum size I
Speaker 1: was allowed to take, um, you know, and well, because
Speaker 1: I I I believe in saving the big breeders, man,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much striper conservation, so much happening
Speaker 1: in that arena already. I mean, there's already been laws
Speaker 1: put in place that you can't come here now and
Speaker 1: take a trophy fish anymore that's off the table. There's
Speaker 1: a slot limit, and then you can also apply for
Speaker 1: bonus tags, which actually allow you to keep smaller fish,
Speaker 1: not bigger fish. I believe it's you can keep one
Speaker 1: twenty four to inches something like that. Um I mean,
Speaker 1: I've said this so many times, doesn't matter what you're
Speaker 1: talking about. Small fish to me always tastes better than
Speaker 1: big fish, you know, especially with white meat fish like
Speaker 1: a striper or you know something like that. Um So, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: if I was gonna take one, I'd be looking for
Speaker 1: the little guy, and I would say, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be you know, one nice meal for for me and
Speaker 1: my wife, or or you know, two nice meals within
Speaker 1: the same week, where I won't even have to freeze
Speaker 1: that fish. I'm not uh that interested in having like
Speaker 1: a freezer full of striper, so I get selective with that. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, this is really like conservation wrapped
Speaker 1: up in like personal ethics as well. You know, a
Speaker 1: lot of these limits are put in place, you know,
Speaker 1: or all these limits are put in place by biologists,
Speaker 1: right like, you know, they've already kind of determined hopefully
Speaker 1: what the resource is able to like withstand from like
Speaker 1: a you know, a take aspect um then like you know,
Speaker 1: if you're particularly conservation minded, then you kind of like
Speaker 1: police yourself into making sure that you're not taking more
Speaker 1: than you personally like need. Right um. Now with an
Speaker 1: individual fish, right Uh, that largely depends on like the species,
Speaker 1: and and it changes all the time. You know, are
Speaker 1: you are you going for something that there are a
Speaker 1: lot of Are you going for something that there are
Speaker 1: a few of you know, like for instance, Joe Striper example. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very it's very hard to to to answer that
Speaker 1: question and have it be like a blanket answer that
Speaker 1: that covers all things, right, because it's just so situational.
Speaker 1: Like I say, I'm not a freezer stalker, and I'm
Speaker 1: not except with certain things. Um Like, as an example,
Speaker 1: we've we've talked a lot lately about talk the inshore
Speaker 1: fish that I love to catch here, right, delicious fish.
Speaker 1: All they eat is clams, crabs, muscles, and shrimp. Fantastic.
Speaker 1: This season when you can keep the most doesn't open
Speaker 1: until November and it closes on January one. So it's
Speaker 1: this very short window to even have the opportunity to
Speaker 1: keep a bunch of those fish. Um. That's one I
Speaker 1: think freezes a little better. So when I'm out there
Speaker 1: in the cold and you know, and I know, I'm
Speaker 1: only gonna have a couple of shots to get after
Speaker 1: those fish in prime season. That's an example of one
Speaker 1: where I don't mind having a limit. I want to
Speaker 1: limit that time. You know what I'm saying. Um, But
Speaker 1: that's that's not based so much on on anything other
Speaker 1: than sort of here's your shot to make that happen.
Speaker 1: I might not eat a piece of talg again until
Speaker 1: next November, you know what I mean. Same thing with tuna.
Speaker 1: If I'm putting up the money to run seventy five
Speaker 1: miles off shore and put in a full day like that, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm about bringing home my limit of yellow fin because
Speaker 1: I don't know when I'll get there again, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: But to bring it back real quick, just to like
Speaker 1: the individual fish, I think like the way that you
Speaker 1: described how you pick and choose fish in general to
Speaker 1: take Yeah, I think makes a lot of sense. I
Speaker 1: think it's going to resonate with like a lot of folks.
Speaker 1: Um when it comes to like individual fish from my
Speaker 1: rule of thumb is basically, leave the big females alone.
Speaker 1: Leave the big females alone. Whether it's could be large
Speaker 1: mouth bass, could be brown trout, could be stripers. You know,
Speaker 1: if you make sure that there eating stock is going
Speaker 1: to be there for next year, overall, you will have
Speaker 1: a healthier fishery. So let me ask you this. I'm
Speaker 1: just curious, right, So, like when you fish for something
Speaker 1: with a higher bag limit like cropp ease or or
Speaker 1: yellow perch, you know what I mean? Like are you
Speaker 1: hoping for that limit each time? And I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: learning about you, right because we haven't talked about this,
Speaker 1: like are are you? Are you down to have a
Speaker 1: freezer full of fish? Like does that appeal to you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I think the word is for coundity, right,
Speaker 1: Like it depends on what kind of fish I'm fishing for.
Speaker 1: If it's perch, yeah, no, I I would like to
Speaker 1: get a bunch of perch. And here's the other thing
Speaker 1: that's like kind of like contradictory to what I just said.
Speaker 1: I don't mind a bunch of female perch because I
Speaker 1: like to fry up the rosas. But see it's like
Speaker 1: another twist in the whole thing. Then you look, that's
Speaker 1: why it's so it's so hard to answer that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the the thing though, is like nobody's worried about
Speaker 1: perch stock. You know, they reproduce at such a rate
Speaker 1: where that's not really a top tier consideration for wildlife conservation.
Speaker 1: That's why the bag limits on perch are so high. Perch,
Speaker 1: pan fish, whatever. Um. I think this is really like
Speaker 1: a more question that pertains to things like stripers. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know too, things like trout, um, you know that
Speaker 1: sort of deal. I mean, you know, an interesting one
Speaker 1: to think about is paddlefish, right, sure, you can buy
Speaker 1: not paddle fish if you don't know. You can only
Speaker 1: catch them by snagging because they're filter feeders and a
Speaker 1: lot of times what people hope for is to use
Speaker 1: their tag on a female paddlefish because of the row
Speaker 1: and they want to make caveat out of it. Um.
Speaker 1: That said, interestingly, there are also catching release permits for
Speaker 1: snagged paddlefish, which which I think is like pretty fast. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I I could never figure that out either, because I
Speaker 1: think it's it's it's cool and a cool cultural scene.
Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, the way you get him
Speaker 1: is pretty pretty gnarly. Yeah. Yeah. And the and the
Speaker 1: last thing that I'll say is another thing that can
Speaker 1: sway me on like whether or not I keep that
Speaker 1: individual fish is the way that it's hooked. If I
Speaker 1: put that fish back to the water and I see
Speaker 1: a puff of blood come out of its gills, I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, well, I'm gonna that one's coming back with me,
Speaker 1: because yeah, I just don't believe that the survival rate
Speaker 1: is particularly good and that could be misguided. But you know,
Speaker 1: if it's legal and the fish is bleeding, I'm going
Speaker 1: to bring it in. Yeah, man, And I will say,
Speaker 1: you know, you sort of said, well, you know, you
Speaker 1: have to consider these things more when you're talking about
Speaker 1: things like stripers and and brown trout. The irony in
Speaker 1: that though, is, you know, a fish like like stripe
Speaker 1: as particular, it just hits close to home. Um, there
Speaker 1: is a huge conservation issue with those right now. But
Speaker 1: people tend to treat trout with like those same kid gloves.
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say that by and large,
Speaker 1: especially with wild trout, there's this reverence of like, don't
Speaker 1: eat that, when in reality, there's a lot of places
Speaker 1: notable fly destinations in particular, like the Upper Delaware system. Um,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of places in p A. Even
Speaker 1: even out where you are, there are rules that allow
Speaker 1: you to kill trout in these places, like those trout
Speaker 1: are not necessarily in trouble at all, there's no conservation issue.
Speaker 1: It's not like the numbers of trout are are way
Speaker 1: way down. Yet you're still like an asshole if you
Speaker 1: catch a twenty inch trout and bonk it. And like,
Speaker 1: I don't agree with that either. I think it has
Speaker 1: to do more with focusing on the specific you know,
Speaker 1: ecology and like what's happening in that particular stream, and
Speaker 1: the burden is on you to know that, like me
Speaker 1: taking a large trout out of this system right now
Speaker 1: could be detrimental to this system. But even in places
Speaker 1: where it's not, it's like oh no, no, don't don't
Speaker 1: kill the trout, don't kill the trout. And and I
Speaker 1: don't kill a lot of trout at all, hardly ever,
Speaker 1: But I still disagree that mentality. Like if if you know,
Speaker 1: I was just recently out brown trout fishing, if somebody
Speaker 1: in that boat that I was on was like, hey man,
Speaker 1: can I bonk that and eat the ship out of it?
Speaker 1: I would have been like yeah, like it's legal to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't bother me at all. Yeah. Well, here
Speaker 1: here's something interesting that happened not too long ago. Man Um.
Speaker 1: We were fishing. We were trout fishing, and I kept
Speaker 1: catching these big white fish and I love to eat
Speaker 1: white fish. Man Yeah, yeah, um, but they were these
Speaker 1: big spawning fish. I just kept letting them go. Um.
Speaker 1: Then my buddy caught like a nice twenty trainbow. We
Speaker 1: bonked it and we ate it. So, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of it is like circumstantial, man um. I
Speaker 1: think we did a pretty good job answering this question,
Speaker 1: though I do too. I think my closing thought, like
Speaker 1: I could just some of that would just sort of
Speaker 1: be like, um, you know, my advice whenever you're considering
Speaker 1: taking fish is I I think it's I don't think
Speaker 1: it's unfair to adopt that mentality of taking what you'll
Speaker 1: eat soon and you know, what you can eat fresh,
Speaker 1: especially if you're talking about something that you have access to.
Speaker 1: In other words, you know, I don't need to kill
Speaker 1: a limit of this that or the other thing, cropp
Speaker 1: ease or you know, trout or small mouth, because it's
Speaker 1: not this narrow window where I have that opportunity. It's
Speaker 1: not your one trip to Alaska a year to catch
Speaker 1: your halibit or whatever it may be. Um, if you
Speaker 1: have access to it, I would say be more conservative,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like take what you need
Speaker 1: for a meal and you know that you'll get back
Speaker 1: there soon enough to get more if you if you
Speaker 1: have a hankering for a crappy sandwich, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. My my final thought on this is a
Speaker 1: lot of times we talk about, you know, considering this
Speaker 1: species over the individual, and I think when we're talking
Speaker 1: about this question in particular, it's important to consider the
Speaker 1: end of visual in the context of the species, like
Speaker 1: what that bish might mean for that fish? Are you
Speaker 1: going forward? So just keep that in mindment and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: good first question hunter. We we thank you. UM. I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna have a lot of fun with this
Speaker 1: because we've already like giggled like schoolgirls over potential answers
Speaker 1: to other questions. We're like, oh my god, this question
Speaker 1: is gonna be funny and ship. But um, we started
Speaker 1: there and uh, that was a lot of fun. So
Speaker 1: we'll we'll do this again next week. And if you've
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