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Speaker 1: me O b O Trades. Welcome, good morning to Generate Anglers,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to Bent, the fishing podcast that promised itself

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Speaker 1: it would be more financially responsible in the new year,

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Speaker 1: Impulse from the as scene on TV and cap at

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Speaker 1: Walgreen's I'm Joe Surmeli and I'm Hayden Sam Mac and

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Speaker 1: Happy New Year, de Generate. It's into you two man,

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Speaker 1: Happy new year. Here we are in sixty five new opportunities,

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Speaker 1: Am I right? You know what I mean? And we

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Speaker 1: certainly we hope you guys had a wonderful holiday and

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Speaker 1: and and this week week. This week, we've got we've

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Speaker 1: Come on, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

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Speaker 1: You're still you're stuck with Hayden. Um. But really, we

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Speaker 1: it makes. We'll go with that, we'll say it, we'll

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Speaker 1: say this new season of Bent. But before we get

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Speaker 1: to all that, UM, you know, we we've been on

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Speaker 1: That escalated quickly. Alrighty, then first news of how fresh

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Speaker 1: because that seems way more plausible than people not noticing

424
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Speaker 1: a flood. Yeah, I you know, I'm so this. I

425
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: heard about this story, like I didn't. I didn't read

426
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 1: it at all. Um, But we've we've covered some similar

427
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 1: things in the past about fish falling out of the sky,

428
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 1: and there's always that stuff on the Science Channel, like

429
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: about weird blobs that fell from the sky in h

430
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 1: You're right, it was Now that I think about it, um,

431
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 1: you know, so I will say, I will say that

432
00:23:55,800 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: I'm I'm curious now because we've ruled out the two things,

433
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: is that it most likely could be. So I'm curious

434
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: to see where we're going here. Yeah. I think they

435
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: just didn't like notice of water spout on their model,

436
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: or like, I don't know, nature did some like weird

437
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 1: ship that wasn't like immediately detectable. Okay, So to close

438
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: out this story, I want to read a direct passage

439
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: from the article in the Dallas Morning News. Here, uh

440
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: says Devin Seawell, a sales manager at the ore Max

441
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: car dealership in Texarkana, said he thought a neighboring business

442
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: had thrown out fish between two and six inches long

443
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 1: into the roadway when he walked outside Wednesday afternoon. Sounds

444
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: like some reno shit. Then he goes on to say,

445
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: this is a quote from see what he says. Then

446
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 1: I started looking on the ground and there were fish

447
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 1: everywhere for about a hundred yards. Seawell said. The following

448
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:53,719
Speaker 1: fish up in the talk of the town and that

449
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: people have been getting a kick out of the quirky phenomenon.

450
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: What's going there's probably not a whole much a lot

451
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: of other stuff going in Texas our cannon to talk about. Yeah,

452
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: he says, Uh, what's going to stink is I'm going

453
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: to have to clean these fish out of the back

454
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 1: of these trucks now, seatwell said, well, good, well, good

455
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: on him for having trucks at the or Max car

456
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: dealership in this time of of of car and truck shortages.

457
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: So he's ahead of the game there, you know what

458
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: I mean? True? Should we should we just make like

459
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 1: a plug for the for the or Max Car dealers.

460
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: I'm kind of shopping for a new truck. Im my

461
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: head down there. Well, I'll take them keep the fish

462
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: in the back, bro Which, by the way, what kind

463
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: of fish are they have? You said? You know, honestly,

464
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't notice what kind they look like?

465
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: Some like little Uh they were gizzard chat. I was

466
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 1: just going to say to read it and I saw

467
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they were gizzard chat, which that you

468
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, Although I'll tell you what, man,

469
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: there's nothing more difficult than keeping those things alive without

470
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: like a good like aeration system, and those things you

471
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: look at them wrong and they die. Um. Yeah, anyway,

472
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: kept you've kept a lot of gizzard chad, Yeah, a handful. Well,

473
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: not like a bunch, but like you know, I've tried

474
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: to go catfish with them, like several times, just busting

475
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: your balls. Go ahead, I have indeed kept my fair

476
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: share of gizzard chad. Anyway. I also thought, being okay,

477
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of meat on this on the

478
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: bone for this story, right, like, there was probably water

479
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 1: spout fish fell onto the town and it was like, oh,

480
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: it's raining fish. That's crazy. The end, I thought it

481
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 1: would be fun to mention three notable instances of animal

482
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: rain that happened in the past if we could get

483
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: a drumroll, please not fun with it this weekend. Totally necessary,

484
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: but I said, all right, right. Instance one in May

485
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: of in the Southern table Lands region of Australia, they

486
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: were treated to a spring or I guess fall shower

487
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: in the way of millions of spiders. Okay, bro, come on, man,

488
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,959
Speaker 1: work with me here, bro, I'm working and listening. We

489
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: worked together, all right. Well, the drum roll. In September

490
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: of in Philadelphia, a woman was struck by a catfish

491
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 1: that appeared to have fallen from the sky, although realistically

492
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: like that could have been thrown by anybody in Philly,

493
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: like I feel like we like I was gonna say,

494
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that was my friend Pete Sharf aka

495
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: Melvin the Fisherman on Instagram. Shout out to him. He

496
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: just catches flatheads and throws him off the overpass on

497
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: the on seven sixties seven or six seventies six or

498
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: whatever it is. I'm just kidding. I hope that's not

499
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: true of the incident. The victim of the errant catfish,

500
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 1: Lisa Lowbree, said, suddenly I was slammed by something. I

501
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 1: was like what, I was freaking out. That's a great

502
00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 1: quote quote from Yeah, this one's better. Here's my favorite

503
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: of the three, entirely because of the quote. In August

504
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: two thousand seven, the residents of Jennings, Louisiana, were treated

505
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: to a refreshing sprinkle of worms. One of the eyewitnesses

506
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: was a cop who was quoted as saying, when I

507
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: saw they were crawling, I said, it's worms. Get out

508
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: of the way, oh man, that's a. That's a that's

509
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: a pretty good one. Um. Yeah, So well, I think

510
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: we're we're lacking a bit of closure on exactly what

511
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: happened there in Texas Arcana. But that's okay. It's always funny,

512
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: but I think it's always good to talk about these

513
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: weekly world news style stories every once in a while. UM.

514
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: I have personal experience actually with um with fish rain.

515
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: Believe it or not, you've ever told you this? Yeah,

516
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: so the Sunday right before Christmas, we were brown trout

517
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: fishing and I was making it just rain slob brown trout,

518
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: and had it's not been delayed, you you would have

519
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: been there is such a dick to get in on

520
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,719
Speaker 1: the slub brown trout rain. Anyway, that was fun, wasn't it.

521
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: Please enter your pants word you have one unheard message.

522
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: Hey guys, this is from HRU for the last time.

523
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: You need to stop making fun of step in Chester

524
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: for I want to complain it quick for catching deep walleye. Seriously,

525
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: this is a verbal warning. Please do you know how

526
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: to make me exploit? All right? Have a great day

527
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: by end of message Delete priss seven save deleted. Where

528
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: am I gonna go with this? Now? How do I

529
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: follow up fish rain um fish falling from the sky

530
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: to to fish. We can no longer catch terrible transition.

531
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: But I don't I don't care, because damn what I

532
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna I'm trying to win this week. So

533
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: here's an interesting tidbit all the way from Hawaii, KA

534
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: via k h O N two dot com. As of

535
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: January one two, get this, it is now illegal to

536
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: fish for sharks in Hawaiian state waters. Okay, so that's

537
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: kind of a big deal right now. Hawaii has already

538
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: passed bills in the in the recent past to try

539
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: and stop a legal commercial trade of sharks and shark

540
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: by products. But as far as I know, could be wrong,

541
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: but I'm pretty confident here. This is the first time

542
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: in history a U. S. State has made it illegal

543
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: to knowingly and knowingly is the key word target or

544
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: capture any species of shark um. Of course, part of

545
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,239
Speaker 1: this is also to crackdown on sharks getting caught as

546
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: by catching gill nets, but it certainly applies to rod

547
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: and real angling. So this was all passed under Act

548
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: fifty one, House Bill five thirty three, and the specific

549
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: wording is this um except as provid aided in subsection F,

550
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: which I'll get to in a second, or as otherwise

551
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: provided by law. No person shall intentionally or knowingly capture

552
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: or entangle any shark, whether alive or dead, or kill

553
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: any shark within state marine waters. Any person violating this

554
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: section or any rule adopted pursue into this section shall

555
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: be guilty of a misdemeanor. Right now, subsection F. This

556
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: is referring to the ability you can still obtain I

557
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: guess um special activity permits to target sharks, but there's

558
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: not much detail on how you'd qualify for those. But

559
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: my guests would be that's for you know, tagging and

560
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: research studies, right, things like that. So here's a quote

561
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: from the story. The purpose of the band is to

562
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: protect sharks for their ecological value, while not criminalizing the

563
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: accidental capture and release of sharks that may be captured

564
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: while fishing for other species as allowed by statute or rules.

565
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: So if you accidentally hook a shark while fishing for

566
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: something else, no problem. But as I understand that, this

567
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: now states that you can no longer in Hawaii set

568
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: out to target sharks specifically, And I gotta say, um,

569
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: that's not a super easy thing to enforce, at least

570
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 1: in my opinion, because some people might assume, um, well,

571
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: you know, if if a guy is telling me he's

572
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: fishing for grouper right, but he's using wire or cable,

573
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: he's probably lying right. But these days it's fair to

574
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: keep in mind that that many shark fishermen um will

575
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: tell you they get more bites on super heavy floral

576
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: carbon even I've done this and a big s circle hook,

577
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: then they do on wire and cable. It's kind of

578
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: been proven that if you know how to rig right,

579
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: you don't need the heavy cable and the heavy metal

580
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: to get it done. So I guess I guess you

581
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't write because if that circle hook is just straight

582
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: up in the corner of their mount, if it does

583
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: its job, although I lost the only makeo I ever

584
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: hooked on my boat because of that, but for the

585
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: most part, if it does it job, if it does

586
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 1: its job and it seats properly. Um, And we used

587
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: to use like we're talking about, you know, commercial like

588
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: longline thickness circle hooks, big gas circle hooks on three

589
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: pound flora. But if its seats properly, most of the

590
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: time you will land that shark if that's what you

591
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: intend to do. Um, So I think that it it

592
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: could be a tricky thing to prove in in some cases.

593
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: Now here's the thing. Uh. While that's certainly a you know,

594
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: a big deal, especially in Hawaii where there's there's so

595
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: many varieties of sharks, they're so common, they're all over

596
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: the place. I'm also I'm not gonna lie, I'm a

597
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: little bit torn about this story, right um. And I

598
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: can't help but think about the reaction to such a

599
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: band in the lower forty eight. And on one hand,

600
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: we've talked about this a bunch. I totally agree that

601
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: sharks need protection right There's no doubt that on this

602
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: planet sharks need protection. Right now, I think they needed

603
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: against large scale commercial operations, global fitting operations more than anything,

604
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: not recreational fishing. And I feel that way about a

605
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: lot of different species. It's not really the wreck guys

606
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: that are the ultimate noblem um. And And while I

607
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: think it's fair to say that the overall amount of

608
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: serious shark fisherman in the US is dwindling, it's it's

609
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,479
Speaker 1: it's just not what it was, you know, twenty thirty

610
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: years ago. There are still hotspots with thriving cultures tied

611
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: to sharking. And while there are always gonna be some assholes,

612
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: right to put it bluntly, most of the guys I

613
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: know that still spend a lot of time targeting sharks

614
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: these days are some of the most conservation minded anglers

615
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: that you'll ever meet, you know what I mean, Like

616
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: they take the well being of the sharks they catch

617
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: very seriously. Um, you know, thinking back to the biggest

618
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: fish I ever caught was a ten foot hammerhead from

619
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: the sand in Florida with my buddy Zach Miller. That's

620
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: how we met. Zack's been on this show a bunch

621
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: of times, and to this day, I'm I'm really sad

622
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: I don't have a great picture of myself with that fish.

623
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: I have one sort of blurry, half asked shot. Because

624
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,959
Speaker 1: even though these guys who do this are so gung

625
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: ho about it, right, um, they they need, they want

626
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: and need that shark to swim away clean. You can't

627
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: kill that species, you can fish for it. And they

628
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: understand that if a dead you know, hammer head washes

629
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: up two days later, it's gonna be in the news

630
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: and it's gonna paint the guys who who shark fishing

631
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: in bad light. So I mean, after a long fight,

632
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: this fish came in and it was like wham bam gone,

633
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: Like these guys wanted it back in the water asap,

634
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: you know. And then you look at other guys like

635
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: Conway Bowman, who's been on the show. He pioneered fly

636
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: fishing for mako sharks in California, one of the most

637
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 1: conservation focus people. You pass a band like that here,

638
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 1: he's done, you know, I mean, he can't, he can't

639
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: even do that anymore. Um. You know, you you you

640
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: pass a band like that in Florida, You're destroying a

641
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: community of the land based guys that have existed for decades.

642
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: So in a way, I understand that what I'm saying

643
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: right now is kind of of two faced, because I

644
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: do strongly agree with shark conservation. Um, I'm fully on

645
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: board with not killing them. But I mean, I have

646
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: a three year old son who's enamored with sharks. I

647
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: was enamored with sharks growing up. I look forward to

648
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: him being old enough to tangle with one. You know

649
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: what I mean. We don't have to kill it, We're not,

650
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 1: We don't. We don't have to do that. But I

651
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: I still, as an angler and a salty guy, would

652
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: be sad if that opportunity was was completely taken off

653
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: the table, you know what I mean. So I think

654
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: it's interesting what they've done here in Hawaii, but I'm

655
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: also a little bit like, uh, you know, I don't

656
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to see that go away for the

657
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: the guys that care and can do it responsibly. I

658
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: don't think you in two faced man, I think like

659
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: you're you're being nuanced. You know, there is a huge difference,

660
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 1: you know, between somebody trying to catch something and experience

661
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: that animal in a recreational pursuit. You experience what it is,

662
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: you feel the power, you appreciate what you've got on

663
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: the end of the line, but you know you're not

664
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: trying to bring that fish harm right right, and and

665
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: like you know, somebody finning sharks. Those two things are

666
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: wildly different to me. One is more appreciative and one

667
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: is like obviously exploitative. Yeah, But I also, I mean,

668
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: I do sympathize. I understand that that. You know, with

669
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: a lot of rules for for a lot of things,

670
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: be it animals or fish or whatever, sometimes it's very

671
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: hard to make everybody happy, you know what I mean,

672
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: you kind of have to sometimes go with an all

673
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: or nothing approach, and uh, you know, I I think

674
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: maybe that's the case here in Hawaii. You know, it

675
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: kind of goes back to do you remember a couple

676
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, or maybe a couple months ago, that

677
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: story they I think it was your story. They did

678
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,959
Speaker 1: a survey of charter captains. Oh, how do you feel

679
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: when the shark takes your grouper off the line service?

680
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: I feel bad. I don't like when that happens. Yeah. Yeah,

681
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: And they were kind of implying that like people who

682
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: have experienced that would develop such a strong anti sharks

683
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: sentiment that they would go out and purposely like target

684
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: sharks to get him out of the area. Yeah, and

685
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know any Florida captains or otherwise

686
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: that would would do that. Yeah, you know, I wonder

687
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: if there's like a similar sort of logic that's like

688
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: kind of permeating you know, this decision personally. Man, You know,

689
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: I've never gone out in targeted sharks, but I think

690
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: one day, you know, I'd like to. I got a

691
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: cousin down in like Boca, who he actually does a

692
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 1: bunch of sword fishing, and he's been kind of crushing

693
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: him lately. It's pretty cool. But you know, I'd like

694
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: to go down there and maybe catch a shark with him. Yeah,

695
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: you just want to have that option too, you know.

696
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: And uh again, well, you know, we're we're we're at

697
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to make it sound like this is

698
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: eminent in all states. It's not. I'm just sort of

699
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: supposing and thinking ahead, like you know, even down in

700
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 1: the keys and stuff like that. For the most part,

701
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,479
Speaker 1: it'sn't really messing with sharks. But every once in a while,

702
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, you get that that tourist charter with with

703
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: the kids, and that's what they want to do. You're

704
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: having a cold front day, you can go, you can

705
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: go play with sharks. So, um, would I ultimately be

706
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 1: sad if it was like nobody's allowed to kill one

707
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: any species any kind Again, No, that wouldn't. That wouldn't

708
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: bother me as much as someone saying you can't go

709
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: out there and do that. You can. Yeah, but it's

710
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: not like it's not like we're talking about bull trout here.

711
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: You know, We're we're not talking about something that hasn't

712
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: been talking about bull trout and I'm talking about sharking. Yeah, no,

713
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: I have no idea. People, way in go ahead, Joe

714
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: and listeners. I'm sorry to disappoint you yet again. Um.

715
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: You know, we're not talking about something that really has

716
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 1: a particular like conservation designation. I mean, sure some sharks

717
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: do right obviously, but a lot of like the sharks

718
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: that are commonly caught, like, don't fall into that. Like

719
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: my buddy Jack, one of his only like fishing stories.

720
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: You can tell me he's not really an angler. He's

721
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: somebody who went in it on vacation, was like about

722
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: a lemon shark that he caught. Nothing wrong with catching

723
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: a lemon sharks. Yeah, there's there's a there's a lot

724
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: of sharks, um. You know, I see a lot of

725
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 1: stuff on YouTube now and again on on on catching

726
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: cook black tips down in Florida. You know what I mean,

727
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: They're not in danger. There's there's plenty of them, um,

728
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: you know. So anyhow, it is definitely case by case.

729
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: But interesting, uh that that Hawaii went that way. You know,

730
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see if that becomes a model for

731
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: anything else. And I'm also curious to, um, just to

732
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: see you know it's fill into fish falling from the

733
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: sky or you know, protecting the man eaters. I I

734
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: really don't know. We're gonna hear from Phil for the

735
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: first time in the new year, with new eyes, new perspective.

736
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: See what Phil has. Phil's problem right now, I don't

737
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: give a shit about your new sections. Stop teeing me

738
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: up so hard, um. But then as soon as we're done,

739
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. We're gonna go into the saale

740
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: bin and we're gonna take a wild ride. We're gonna

741
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: take a wild ride to start the new year with

742
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: the sale bin. Hayden, even you knew I could hear

743
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: it in your voice. The win this week is going

744
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: to Joe Sirmli. Sorry, Hayden, but I do have a

745
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: consolation prize. Recreational marijuana is now legal in Montana, so congratulations.

746
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: You can finally stop hitting up your cousin in Boca

747
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: or buying that skunk weed from Lance V that he

748
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: steals from his mom. Why did you put the hand

749
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 1: to pay You don't know what I'm getting, man, You

750
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: didn't have to be so hurtful with me angry. I'm

751
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 1: gonna start off this sale bind with a broad generalization.

752
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: And while it may mildly upset some folks, I'm thinking

753
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: or at least hoping, I guess that that most of

754
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: you are gonna say, yep, Joe's right, okay. And that

755
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: generalization is that people who own jet boats are cowboys. Okay.

756
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: It's as if the jet boat, I don't know, like

757
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: gives them license to thwart common sense and other safety

758
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: measures associated with normal boating, right and just say just

759
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: say it. Um. I have, on more than one occasion

760
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 1: just stood staring at a low ass river and thought,

761
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: the idea of running any hard bottom boat with a

762
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: fast engine here is nuts. And the answer I get

763
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: every time I voiced that concern whoever I'm with is basically,

764
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. Bro, I got a jetboat, you

765
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like it's it Just have you

766
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: ever spent any time? Have you fished on a jetboat

767
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: before run a jetboat? You know? I have not personally

768
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: uh ridden in a jet boat. However, like being so

769
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 1: close to the yellow Stone, I see a lot of him. Um.

770
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm also like very familiar with like that mentality.

771
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 1: I know two folks at the office who will remain

772
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: nameless who sort of recently took out a little bit

773
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: too far and found themselves ordering some spare parts. Yeah,

774
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: and I feel like that that happens a lot, Like

775
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: nobody ever comes out completely like unscathed if you if

776
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 1: you run it long enough, you know what I'm saying. Um,

777
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I feel like there's there's no

778
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: running a jet conservatively right. It's either balls to the

779
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 1: wall or nothing. And I've listened to so many jetboat

780
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: owners back that up with with bravado, like even my

781
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: even my buddy Captain Eric Kerber or Eric Garber as

782
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: you like to call him. Um, he mentioned that, by

783
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: the way, on the talk trip that you missed, does

784
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: not manage it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Um. But he used

785
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: to run a jetboat as part of his charter business

786
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: on the river here now on like on his bigger

787
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: ocean boat. He's a very safety oriented guy, like it's

788
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: like top priority. But when he had that river jet

789
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: he talked about was like cutting the engine to slide

790
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: over a rock bar in three inches of water doing

791
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: eighty miles an hour. And it's like whoa, you know

792
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I I don't understand it. It's

793
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: like the dude who hits the emergency break in the

794
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: snow on a road to like take a turn that way.

795
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: It's like, holy sh it, Like, dude, who are you?

796
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: Like when you get on this jet boat, you know,

797
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: it's like you get on it and you just like

798
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: you get on a jet and becomes Stevo all of

799
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: a sudden or something. I think there's like something about

800
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: like an inhibition just just going out the window is

801
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: soon as you're like, but see they're not They're not

802
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: indestructible though, you know what I mean. Like it's I

803
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 1: don't understand. It's like it doesn't mean you can go anywhere,

804
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: but it's like yeah, but I mean, like you know,

805
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: most of this ship is like, oh, I don't want

806
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: to dig my prop, you know what I mean, Like

807
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: I don't want to do my prop and I want

808
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: to like, you know, to take the whole back out

809
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: of this thing. And once like that's out of the

810
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: equation and people are just like I'm just half a

811
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: bullet right now. You know, yes, you're right, but okay,

812
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 1: you take the prop out of the equation. But like

813
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 1: if you don't make it over the rock bar dooing fifty,

814
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 1: it's just gonna eject you to your death. You know

815
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: what I'm saying Like it's I don't know, I'm not

816
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: I'm not a cowboy with anything I do. UM. But look,

817
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: in case you haven't already guessed it right, today's sale

818
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: ban item is in fact a jet boat. Um. But

819
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: the way it's presented is perfect because it backs up

820
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: every single thing um that we've just talked about and

821
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: I've just said. And this was sent to us by

822
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: listener Nick Shimp. Okay, it's listed on Facebook marketplace in Afton, Illinois,

823
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: and right out of the gate the title is John

824
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: Jet with two T s in jet, thereby riffing off

825
00:45:50,280 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: of Rocker J. Now the seller is asking clams for

826
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: this souped up John. But while the description is short

827
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: and sweet, it's poetry. It's pure poetry. Would you like

828
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 1: to do the honors on on the description here? I would?

829
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: I would please m It reads sketchy cars, not your thing?

830
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: Doing doing sixty on a moped A no for you?

831
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: That's okay. I got sketchy water stuff too. Sketchy water

832
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: stuff three hundred cc Kawasaki jet ski running gear in

833
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: a twelve ft John Boat. No, So this is even

834
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: this is this is bootleg. Yeah, we'll get there. Oh,

835
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: it's totally bootleg. No leaks runs out, nice turns great,

836
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: shallow water running s O B. Yeah. So so he's

837
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: created it's a John boat jet ski hybrid, which I

838
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: mean that that is so water world like Slay mad Max.

839
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: I love it, um, but I mean even the guys

840
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: selling it has basically admitted that it's it's sketchy a

841
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: f as the kids say, which which maybe what prompted

842
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: his closing words in the description, right, and this is

843
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: this is an incredible So he ends with this, if

844
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Speaker 1: you're scared to go to church, if you're broke, don't

845
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: message me O B O trades welcome And that's it.

846
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Speaker 1: It's funny, man, because when you look at the photo,

847
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: and there's only one photo, right, yeah, you would never

848
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: know it was tricked out. It just looks like a shitty,

849
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: old like aluminum John with shag carpet glued over the

850
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: bench seat. I honestly don't really understand how you even

851
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: control this thing. Yeah, without having more photos, I I

852
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: don't really see it. I can't get my mind around either.

853
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: It's just a bunch of of of jangkeie wiring and

854
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: electrical tape spewing out from around just one of those

855
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: cheap ass folding boat seats that's been bolted in the middle.

856
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I I don't know. I

857
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: I would love to know what's up. So somebody please

858
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: buy us. Somebody out there please buy this uh and

859
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: report back because it's either a death trap or the

860
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: coolest thing ever. It really could could go either way.

861
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: Do you know how many emails were about to get

862
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: suggesting that we buy it for doss boat? Uh? Dude,

863
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: every yeah, everything that we post that floats, somebody says

864
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: like that next the next us boat. Um. But dude,

865
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: I'd be down for this one. I mean it, it

866
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 1: would be a scream um. Anyway, Nick, thanks so much

867
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: for sending this one our way. UH. And and listen.

868
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: If you have a salebin item that you'd like us

869
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: to see from your favorite online classified or or just

870
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: just came to me. How about a story of some

871
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: crazy ship you've experienced on a jet boat. We'd love

872
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 1: to hear that too. Please send those along to Bent

873
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: at the meat Eater dot com. If you're scared, go

874
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: to church. If you're broke, don't message me that should

875
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: be a bumper sticker. That was my favorite part of

876
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: that entire sale. Bin Um, that was a really good one. Anyway, listen,

877
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna close out our first show of

878
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: two with a fresh segment, new segment that we've been

879
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 1: hinting at for for a little while. Now, yeah man,

880
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: it's a drink. What if this was the drinking game

881
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: that Phil proposed, you would have to drink because you

882
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: just said, uh, yeah man. Anyway, by the way, I

883
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: didn't sorry, I mean to cut you off, but do

884
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: you know another listener reached out and said that I

885
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: should have you put a buck in a jar every

886
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: time you say yeah man. And I but maybe it

887
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 1: was five and then we could use it to fund

888
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: bent merch or a trip or something. Um, I'm not

889
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: now you know, I'm not gonna ask anybody to count

890
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: the yeah man's because I jokingly asked you guys to

891
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: count something else that was said a lot one time,

892
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: and like a few people did it, and I was like,

893
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm so sorry to waste your day,

894
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: like you must have had better things to do than that,

895
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: So don't count. Anyway, I'm sorry I threw you off.

896
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: It's funny. Uh, listeners at home, you can play along

897
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: with our drinking game listeners driving don't drink Yeah man

898
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: um anyhow, Yeah, it's a segment we're calling the bent Helpline. Um. Now,

899
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: we've been asking you guys to submit questions for it. Uh.

900
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 1: Joe I put out a call on the old instant

901
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 1: Slam a couple of weeks ago. He just got lit

902
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 1: up by questions. That was awesome. Keep sending those and

903
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 1: we've been getting some on the bent email inbox as well. Uh.

904
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: We plan to read one, or if you send a

905
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: voice memo, play one at the end of each show

906
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: and do our best to give you a somewhat useful answer.

907
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna be getting more of those from

908
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: Joe than me, but I'll try my best to so.

909
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: Without further ado, here we go. What do you laughing at, Marktini?

910
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: You're not an idiot, you're not a gamblooning help more,

911
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: you're a fisherman. Best what's your am? All right? So,

912
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: welcome to the inaugural edition of the bent Helpline. It's

913
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: a it's a big day, man, and somebody's going to

914
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: get to be first. I'm really excited for this, man.

915
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 1: You know, I was listening like this is the kind

916
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: of thing that I would want, and you know I

917
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: I hope we can deliver. Joe. What do you think, man? Oh?

918
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: I think, well, I don't know if we can deliver

919
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: because we don't really know as much as people think

920
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: we do. But I will say this right, in just

921
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: a short time since we started asking for questions, you

922
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: and I have sat around and been like, holy sh it,

923
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: there's so many good questions like it just such a

924
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: short span of time. Um, we grappled with the first

925
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: one because we've gotten so many good ones from so

926
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: many different angles, which is cool because it changes up

927
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: all the time, you know what I mean. Yeah, I

928
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: mean I literally before recording this, we sat around for

929
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: like thirty minutes talking about like, oh, well, this one,

930
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: this one, this one. We want to answer them all

931
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: so good. We appreciate you guys for that. It's it's

932
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: really cool. Yeah, and keep them coming. We want to

933
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: answer them all, but going forward, but we cannot. Just

934
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: established that we cannot answer them all. We do have

935
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: a surprise that we're gonna get to some more of

936
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 1: them eventually, but for this segment, we're gonna answer one

937
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: at a time. And this week's question comes from Hunter Shields,

938
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: and he asks, dear Ben, how do you guys choose

939
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: fish to harvest with conservation in mind, not the legality

940
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: of it? So what he means is like, you know

941
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: bag limits aside or cree limits aside, and you know

942
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: legal specifications to which you can take mm hm, which

943
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 1: ones are you choosing? Joe, I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm

944
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: gonna let you lead off. Man, are okay he's scared?

945
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: I am scared of this question? Um at First of all,

946
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:31,760
Speaker 1: congrats two Hunter, Yeah, first question man on the bent helpline.

947
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: So my answer to that, I guess um to answer

948
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: it properly. A thing to know about me, right, I've

949
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 1: I've never been much of like a a freezer stalker,

950
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like there's select fish that

951
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: I really enjoy that um. I like, I like having

952
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: some one hand, I like having it in the freezer.

953
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: But I've never been the guy you know that that

954
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,720
Speaker 1: feels that need to always just have my my garage

955
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: freezer stacked with fish. Um I. And and you know

956
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: some fish freeze is better than others, right, we know that.

957
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: But I don't know, man, I'm just not I've never

958
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: been as quite as excited to eat a piece of

959
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 1: fish that's been frozen for a few months as I

960
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: am to eat it fresh. So I really enjoy fresh fish. Um.

961
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: And with that in mind, I tend to uh lean

962
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: towards keeping only what I know I'll be able to

963
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: eat fresh in the near term. So like stripe bass

964
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: is an example. Um, in my younger days, Yeah, dude,

965
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 1: I I was. I was the guy that would would

966
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: would take the forty pounder, you know what I mean,

967
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: and and take it to the tackle shop for the

968
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: photo and all that. I don't keep very many stripers

969
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: at all anymore, hardly ever. But if I were going

970
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: to purely for the reason that I felt like eating

971
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: a nice piece of delicious fresh striper, I'd be looking

972
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: for the one that was like the minimum size I

973
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: was allowed to take, um, you know, and well, because

974
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: I I I believe in saving the big breeders, man,

975
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much striper conservation, so much happening

976
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 1: in that arena already. I mean, there's already been laws

977
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: put in place that you can't come here now and

978
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: take a trophy fish anymore that's off the table. There's

979
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: a slot limit, and then you can also apply for

980
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: bonus tags, which actually allow you to keep smaller fish,

981
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: not bigger fish. I believe it's you can keep one

982
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: twenty four to inches something like that. Um I mean,

983
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: I've said this so many times, doesn't matter what you're

984
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: talking about. Small fish to me always tastes better than

985
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: big fish, you know, especially with white meat fish like

986
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: a striper or you know something like that. Um So, yeah, man,

987
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: if I was gonna take one, I'd be looking for

988
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,959
Speaker 1: the little guy, and I would say, this is gonna

989
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: be you know, one nice meal for for me and

990
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: my wife, or or you know, two nice meals within

991
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: the same week, where I won't even have to freeze

992
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: that fish. I'm not uh that interested in having like

993
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: a freezer full of striper, so I get selective with that. Yeah. Yeah,

994
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, this is really like conservation wrapped

995
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: up in like personal ethics as well. You know, a

996
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 1: lot of these limits are put in place, you know,

997
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: or all these limits are put in place by biologists,

998
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: right like, you know, they've already kind of determined hopefully

999
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: what the resource is able to like withstand from like

1000
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: a you know, a take aspect um then like you know,

1001
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: if you're particularly conservation minded, then you kind of like

1002
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: police yourself into making sure that you're not taking more

1003
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: than you personally like need. Right um. Now with an

1004
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 1: individual fish, right Uh, that largely depends on like the species,

1005
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: and and it changes all the time. You know, are

1006
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: you are you going for something that there are a

1007
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: lot of Are you going for something that there are

1008
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: a few of you know, like for instance, Joe Striper example. Yeah,

1009
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: it's very it's very hard to to to answer that

1010
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,959
Speaker 1: question and have it be like a blanket answer that

1011
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: that covers all things, right, because it's just so situational.

1012
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: Like I say, I'm not a freezer stalker, and I'm

1013
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 1: not except with certain things. Um Like, as an example,

1014
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,760
Speaker 1: we've we've talked a lot lately about talk the inshore

1015
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: fish that I love to catch here, right, delicious fish.

1016
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: All they eat is clams, crabs, muscles, and shrimp. Fantastic.

1017
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: This season when you can keep the most doesn't open

1018
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: until November and it closes on January one. So it's

1019
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: this very short window to even have the opportunity to

1020
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: keep a bunch of those fish. Um. That's one I

1021
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: think freezes a little better. So when I'm out there

1022
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: in the cold and you know, and I know, I'm

1023
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:51,919
Speaker 1: only gonna have a couple of shots to get after

1024
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: those fish in prime season. That's an example of one

1025
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: where I don't mind having a limit. I want to

1026
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: limit that time. You know what I'm saying. Um, But

1027
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:05,439
Speaker 1: that's that's not based so much on on anything other

1028
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 1: than sort of here's your shot to make that happen.

1029
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: I might not eat a piece of talg again until

1030
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: next November, you know what I mean. Same thing with tuna.

1031
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: If I'm putting up the money to run seventy five

1032
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: miles off shore and put in a full day like that, yeah,

1033
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm about bringing home my limit of yellow fin because

1034
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: I don't know when I'll get there again, you know. Um,

1035
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: But to bring it back real quick, just to like

1036
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: the individual fish, I think like the way that you

1037
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: described how you pick and choose fish in general to

1038
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: take Yeah, I think makes a lot of sense. I

1039
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: think it's going to resonate with like a lot of folks.

1040
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: Um when it comes to like individual fish from my

1041
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: rule of thumb is basically, leave the big females alone.

1042
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: Leave the big females alone. Whether it's could be large

1043
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: mouth bass, could be brown trout, could be stripers. You know,

1044
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: if you make sure that there eating stock is going

1045
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: to be there for next year, overall, you will have

1046
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: a healthier fishery. So let me ask you this. I'm

1047
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: just curious, right, So, like when you fish for something

1048
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: with a higher bag limit like cropp ease or or

1049
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: yellow perch, you know what I mean? Like are you

1050
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: hoping for that limit each time? And I'm I'm I'm

1051
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: learning about you, right because we haven't talked about this,

1052
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: like are are you? Are you down to have a

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00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: freezer full of fish? Like does that appeal to you? Yeah?

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00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: I mean I think the word is for coundity, right,

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00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: Like it depends on what kind of fish I'm fishing for.

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00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: If it's perch, yeah, no, I I would like to

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00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: get a bunch of perch. And here's the other thing

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00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: that's like kind of like contradictory to what I just said.

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00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: I don't mind a bunch of female perch because I

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00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: like to fry up the rosas. But see it's like

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00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: another twist in the whole thing. Then you look, that's

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00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 1: why it's so it's so hard to answer that. Yeah.

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00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: But the the thing though, is like nobody's worried about

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00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: perch stock. You know, they reproduce at such a rate

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00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: where that's not really a top tier consideration for wildlife conservation.

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00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: That's why the bag limits on perch are so high. Perch,

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00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: pan fish, whatever. Um. I think this is really like

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00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: a more question that pertains to things like stripers. Uh,

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00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: you know too, things like trout, um, you know that

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00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: sort of deal. I mean, you know, an interesting one

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00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: to think about is paddlefish, right, sure, you can buy

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00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: not paddle fish if you don't know. You can only

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00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: catch them by snagging because they're filter feeders and a

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00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: lot of times what people hope for is to use

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00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: their tag on a female paddlefish because of the row

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00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: and they want to make caveat out of it. Um.

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00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: That said, interestingly, there are also catching release permits for

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00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: snagged paddlefish, which which I think is like pretty fast. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I I could never figure that out either, because I

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01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: think it's it's it's cool and a cool cultural scene.

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01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, the way you get him

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01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: is pretty pretty gnarly. Yeah. Yeah. And the and the

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01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: last thing that I'll say is another thing that can

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01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: sway me on like whether or not I keep that

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01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: individual fish is the way that it's hooked. If I

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01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: put that fish back to the water and I see

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01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: a puff of blood come out of its gills, I'm like,

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01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: all right, well, I'm gonna that one's coming back with me,

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01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: because yeah, I just don't believe that the survival rate

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01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: is particularly good and that could be misguided. But you know,

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01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: if it's legal and the fish is bleeding, I'm going

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01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,919
Speaker 1: to bring it in. Yeah, man, And I will say,

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01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: you know, you sort of said, well, you know, you

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01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: have to consider these things more when you're talking about

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01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: things like stripers and and brown trout. The irony in

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01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: that though, is, you know, a fish like like stripe

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01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: as particular, it just hits close to home. Um, there

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01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: is a huge conservation issue with those right now. But

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01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: people tend to treat trout with like those same kid gloves.

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01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say that by and large,

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01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: especially with wild trout, there's this reverence of like, don't

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01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: eat that, when in reality, there's a lot of places

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01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: notable fly destinations in particular, like the Upper Delaware system. Um,

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01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:12,919
Speaker 1: you know a lot of places in p A. Even

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01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,439
Speaker 1: even out where you are, there are rules that allow

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01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: you to kill trout in these places, like those trout

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01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: are not necessarily in trouble at all, there's no conservation issue.

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01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: It's not like the numbers of trout are are way

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01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: way down. Yet you're still like an asshole if you

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01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: catch a twenty inch trout and bonk it. And like,

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01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: I don't agree with that either. I think it has

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01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: to do more with focusing on the specific you know,

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01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: ecology and like what's happening in that particular stream, and

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01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: the burden is on you to know that, like me

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01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: taking a large trout out of this system right now

1116
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: could be detrimental to this system. But even in places

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Speaker 1: where it's not, it's like oh no, no, don't don't

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01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: kill the trout, don't kill the trout. And and I

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01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: don't kill a lot of trout at all, hardly ever,

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Speaker 1: But I still disagree that mentality. Like if if you know,

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01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: I was just recently out brown trout fishing, if somebody

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01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: in that boat that I was on was like, hey man,

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01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: can I bonk that and eat the ship out of it?

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01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: I would have been like yeah, like it's legal to do. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like it doesn't bother me at all. Yeah. Well, here

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01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: here's something interesting that happened not too long ago. Man Um.

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01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: We were fishing. We were trout fishing, and I kept

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01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: catching these big white fish and I love to eat

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01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: white fish. Man Yeah, yeah, um, but they were these

1130
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: big spawning fish. I just kept letting them go. Um.

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01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: Then my buddy caught like a nice twenty trainbow. We

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01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: bonked it and we ate it. So, I mean, you know,

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01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: a lot of it is like circumstantial, man um. I

1134
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: think we did a pretty good job answering this question,

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01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: though I do too. I think my closing thought, like

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01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: I could just some of that would just sort of

1137
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: be like, um, you know, my advice whenever you're considering

1138
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: taking fish is I I think it's I don't think

1139
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: it's unfair to adopt that mentality of taking what you'll

1140
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: eat soon and you know, what you can eat fresh,

1141
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: especially if you're talking about something that you have access to.

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01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: In other words, you know, I don't need to kill

1143
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: a limit of this that or the other thing, cropp

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01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: ease or you know, trout or small mouth, because it's

1145
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: not this narrow window where I have that opportunity. It's

1146
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: not your one trip to Alaska a year to catch

1147
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: your halibit or whatever it may be. Um, if you

1148
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: have access to it, I would say be more conservative,

1149
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like take what you need

1150
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: for a meal and you know that you'll get back

1151
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 1: there soon enough to get more if you if you

1152
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: have a hankering for a crappy sandwich, you know what

1153
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: I mean. My my final thought on this is a

1154
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: lot of times we talk about, you know, considering this

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01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: species over the individual, and I think when we're talking

1156
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: about this question in particular, it's important to consider the

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01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: end of visual in the context of the species, like

1158
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: what that bish might mean for that fish? Are you

1159
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: going forward? So just keep that in mindment and uh yeah,

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01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: good first question hunter. We we thank you. UM. I

1161
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: think we're gonna have a lot of fun with this

1162
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: because we've already like giggled like schoolgirls over potential answers

1163
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: to other questions. We're like, oh my god, this question

1164
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: is gonna be funny and ship. But um, we started

1165
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: there and uh, that was a lot of fun. So

1166
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: we'll we'll do this again next week. And if you've

1167
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: got a question, d m me on the instant slams

1168
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: or or Hayden or fired off to Bent at the

1169
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: Meat eat dot com. By the way, we love voice memos.

1170
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: If you want to send it in that format, you

1171
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: might hear yourself here on the Bent helpline. Well that's it.

1172
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Speaker 1: Degenerate Anglers, please keep those questions coming to Bent at

1173
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: the meat Eater dot com either or an email or

1174
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:59,919
Speaker 1: voice memo. Um, and remember keep sending in those bar nominations,

1175
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: sale bin items, awkward photos, and whatever else you feel

1176
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 1: like sending in. Yeah man, um, drink, Oh shit, I

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Speaker 1: did it? Good on you? That was quick? Uh yeah man,

1178
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: and drink anyway. Look, remember to keep those degenerate Angler

1179
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 1: and Bent podcast hashtags cranking, Hayden and I love to

1180
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: see what you guys are up to. We expect maybe

1181
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: some hard water, maybe beating up on the local stockies,

1182
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: some winter fly time. We love it. And hey, if

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01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: you want us to see something completely unrelated to fishing

1184
01:05:31,200 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: that you post, just tag it. Yeah man, yeah man.

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Speaker 1: A dest