1 00:00:14,824 --> 00:00:15,304 Speaker 1: Pushkin. 2 00:00:20,544 --> 00:00:23,904 Speaker 2: What about too Many People? 3 00:00:25,024 --> 00:00:29,184 Speaker 3: Two or eight People is on an album called ram. 4 00:00:29,304 --> 00:00:33,304 Speaker 3: It was at a time when John was firing missiles 5 00:00:33,304 --> 00:00:36,464 Speaker 3: at me. I don't know what he hoped again, other 6 00:00:36,584 --> 00:00:41,024 Speaker 3: than punching me in the face. And this kind of 7 00:00:41,664 --> 00:00:48,184 Speaker 3: annoyed me. Obviously, I suddenly decided to turn my missiles 8 00:00:48,224 --> 00:00:50,824 Speaker 3: on him. 9 00:00:50,904 --> 00:00:55,104 Speaker 4: I'm Paul, will do And I've been fortunate to spend 10 00:00:55,144 --> 00:00:58,664 Speaker 4: time with one of the greatest songwriters of the era. 11 00:00:58,944 --> 00:01:01,304 Speaker 5: And will you look at me? I'm going on to 12 00:01:01,784 --> 00:01:02,704 Speaker 5: I'm actually a. 13 00:01:02,624 --> 00:01:07,424 Speaker 4: Performer, That is sir Paul McCartney. We worked together on 14 00:01:07,504 --> 00:01:10,624 Speaker 4: a book looking at the of more than one hundred 15 00:01:10,664 --> 00:01:15,344 Speaker 4: and fifty of his songs, and we recorded many hours 16 00:01:15,584 --> 00:01:16,864 Speaker 4: of our conversations. 17 00:01:17,184 --> 00:01:18,504 Speaker 1: Oh she'm a songwriter? 18 00:01:19,184 --> 00:01:21,904 Speaker 5: My god? Well that that crypture, homie. 19 00:01:21,984 --> 00:01:27,984 Speaker 4: This is McCartney, A life in lyrics, a masterclass, a memoir, 20 00:01:28,544 --> 00:01:31,784 Speaker 4: and an improvised journey with one of the most iconic 21 00:01:31,904 --> 00:01:38,104 Speaker 4: figures in popular music. In this episode, too Many People 22 00:01:38,824 --> 00:01:39,544 Speaker 4: that you. 23 00:01:44,184 --> 00:01:57,104 Speaker 6: Touban now? 24 00:01:52,784 --> 00:01:55,224 Speaker 3: Can you. 25 00:02:01,264 --> 00:02:04,984 Speaker 4: Who broke up the Beatles? Was it Paul McCartney or 26 00:02:05,064 --> 00:02:07,984 Speaker 4: was it John Lennon? Was it the death of manager 27 00:02:08,144 --> 00:02:13,704 Speaker 4: Brian Epstein? The interference of businessman Alan Klein, or somehow 28 00:02:13,984 --> 00:02:18,384 Speaker 4: the mere presence of Yogo Ono. No matter how many 29 00:02:18,464 --> 00:02:22,704 Speaker 4: times this question has been asked, trying to answer it 30 00:02:22,744 --> 00:02:26,944 Speaker 4: seems futile. There are many reasons why the Beatles broke up, 31 00:02:28,064 --> 00:02:31,264 Speaker 4: so in this episode we won't be trying to find 32 00:02:31,384 --> 00:02:36,824 Speaker 4: a definitive cause for the Beatles breakup. Instead, we will 33 00:02:36,824 --> 00:02:39,464 Speaker 4: be telling the story of its aftermath. 34 00:02:40,344 --> 00:02:47,984 Speaker 3: I was keeping largely quiet about John and the Beatles 35 00:02:48,144 --> 00:02:53,304 Speaker 3: sort of split up. I didn't really have many accusations 36 00:02:53,344 --> 00:02:57,344 Speaker 3: to fling but he was flinging quite a few. Being John, 37 00:02:58,544 --> 00:03:04,424 Speaker 3: they were quite hurtful bobs to be flinging around, and 38 00:03:04,704 --> 00:03:07,584 Speaker 3: I was the body they were being flung at. So 39 00:03:07,664 --> 00:03:10,744 Speaker 3: I was having to accept this. 40 00:03:12,224 --> 00:03:28,024 Speaker 4: But in a nineteen sixty nine business meeting, John Lennon 41 00:03:28,384 --> 00:03:29,384 Speaker 4: met an announcement. 42 00:03:30,064 --> 00:03:31,984 Speaker 3: There was a few of us there, and he said, oh, 43 00:03:32,064 --> 00:03:35,584 Speaker 3: I've been wanting to tell you this, but I'm leaving 44 00:03:35,624 --> 00:03:39,824 Speaker 3: the Beatles. Well a bit shocked, it was, you know, me, 45 00:03:39,904 --> 00:03:42,064 Speaker 3: George and Ringo, we're all a bit shocked. 46 00:03:43,104 --> 00:03:45,664 Speaker 1: Why why why? And I think I've told you. 47 00:03:45,704 --> 00:03:48,464 Speaker 5: I remember him saying, oh, this is quite quite exciting. 48 00:03:49,144 --> 00:03:49,344 Speaker 3: You know. 49 00:03:49,424 --> 00:03:51,704 Speaker 5: That was very John, that was sort of what you 50 00:03:51,864 --> 00:03:52,904 Speaker 5: admired about John. 51 00:03:54,344 --> 00:03:54,544 Speaker 1: It was. 52 00:03:54,704 --> 00:03:57,544 Speaker 5: It was a bit of a nooney in the nicest 53 00:03:57,584 --> 00:03:58,304 Speaker 5: possible way. 54 00:03:59,264 --> 00:04:00,984 Speaker 2: It was like breaking up with someone. 55 00:04:01,624 --> 00:04:03,304 Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's what he said. 56 00:04:03,344 --> 00:04:05,824 Speaker 3: It's like a divorce, and he had just had a divorce, 57 00:04:07,864 --> 00:04:10,544 Speaker 3: so he was saying, yeah, you know, there's an excitement 58 00:04:10,664 --> 00:04:14,864 Speaker 3: to this. And I think obviously we whilst all of 59 00:04:14,984 --> 00:04:18,024 Speaker 3: us could see what he meant, those of you left 60 00:04:19,064 --> 00:04:21,624 Speaker 3: in the opposite. 61 00:04:21,104 --> 00:04:22,704 Speaker 1: Side of the borderline. 62 00:04:23,504 --> 00:04:31,584 Speaker 3: It's not quite so funny. 63 00:04:34,824 --> 00:04:38,784 Speaker 4: When John Lennon announced his departure from the group, it 64 00:04:38,824 --> 00:04:42,304 Speaker 4: was clear to the other three Beatles that the band 65 00:04:42,464 --> 00:04:43,504 Speaker 4: was done for good. 66 00:04:44,464 --> 00:04:49,104 Speaker 3: It was such a unit and such a foursome and 67 00:04:49,184 --> 00:04:52,184 Speaker 3: I don't think any of us, I mean, we joked 68 00:04:52,224 --> 00:04:55,264 Speaker 3: about it, you know, we joked about forming a group 69 00:04:55,344 --> 00:04:56,304 Speaker 3: called the Threetles. 70 00:04:58,864 --> 00:05:02,504 Speaker 5: That was pretty good, but you know, it was never 71 00:05:02,544 --> 00:05:03,544 Speaker 5: anything more than the joke. 72 00:05:04,464 --> 00:05:08,024 Speaker 4: In that same meeting where John Lennon announced he was 73 00:05:08,144 --> 00:05:12,584 Speaker 4: leaving the group, he also told his band Meds that 74 00:05:12,624 --> 00:05:16,104 Speaker 4: he was set to go along with the manager Alan Klein. 75 00:05:17,064 --> 00:05:21,064 Speaker 4: McCartney was resistant to trusting Alan Klein, who was already 76 00:05:21,144 --> 00:05:24,584 Speaker 4: known for his mishandling of the Rolling Stones. 77 00:05:25,584 --> 00:05:28,944 Speaker 3: The whole story in an absolute nutshell because we were 78 00:05:28,944 --> 00:05:32,584 Speaker 3: having a group meeting and John appeared at it and 79 00:05:32,624 --> 00:05:34,664 Speaker 3: he said, I've just been to see this guy Alan 80 00:05:34,744 --> 00:05:39,144 Speaker 3: Klein in the Dorchester me and Joko. He's promised Joko 81 00:05:40,144 --> 00:05:45,904 Speaker 3: an exhibition up in Syracuse, and I think this guy's great. 82 00:05:46,384 --> 00:05:49,384 Speaker 3: Oh and by the way, I'm leaving the group. So 83 00:05:51,184 --> 00:05:56,664 Speaker 3: that was basically how all of that happened. And it 84 00:05:56,744 --> 00:06:00,384 Speaker 3: was looking like Alan Clyn would have because it was 85 00:06:00,384 --> 00:06:00,984 Speaker 3: three to one. 86 00:06:01,104 --> 00:06:02,824 Speaker 1: The other two went with John. 87 00:06:03,064 --> 00:06:06,584 Speaker 3: So it's looking like Alan Klein was going to own 88 00:06:06,864 --> 00:06:12,864 Speaker 3: our entire mental empire, which is an idea that I was. 89 00:06:12,824 --> 00:06:13,784 Speaker 1: Not too keen on. 90 00:06:14,584 --> 00:06:16,744 Speaker 3: I just thought, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know 91 00:06:17,464 --> 00:06:20,104 Speaker 3: this guy has got such a bad reputation, and good 92 00:06:20,104 --> 00:06:24,624 Speaker 3: old John Johnny goes, oh, if he's that badly talked about, 93 00:06:24,704 --> 00:06:27,304 Speaker 3: he can't be all bad, you know. To John, there 94 00:06:27,344 --> 00:06:31,744 Speaker 3: was this kind of distorted way of thinking. 95 00:06:32,144 --> 00:06:36,384 Speaker 4: What followed was a series of lawsuits between McCartney and 96 00:06:36,584 --> 00:06:39,864 Speaker 4: the rest of the band over who would control the 97 00:06:40,024 --> 00:06:41,304 Speaker 4: rights to their music. 98 00:06:41,904 --> 00:06:45,704 Speaker 1: So all in all I had to I had to 99 00:06:45,824 --> 00:06:47,624 Speaker 1: fight them for. 100 00:06:49,664 --> 00:06:53,584 Speaker 3: My bit of the Beatles and in actual fact for 101 00:06:53,664 --> 00:06:57,064 Speaker 3: their bit of the Beatles, which many years later they 102 00:06:57,144 --> 00:06:58,504 Speaker 3: kind of you. 103 00:06:58,504 --> 00:07:04,384 Speaker 1: Know, realized, realized that almost thanked me for. And nowadays, 104 00:07:04,704 --> 00:07:06,984 Speaker 1: you know, people get it. They get it, and. 105 00:07:09,664 --> 00:07:12,824 Speaker 3: As I had to fight them, I think they thought, oh, 106 00:07:13,544 --> 00:07:16,584 Speaker 3: you know, and felt they were the ones who were 107 00:07:16,624 --> 00:07:20,984 Speaker 3: being hurt by this. But the hurt that went down 108 00:07:21,104 --> 00:07:26,424 Speaker 3: during that period though, was them feeling hurt, me feeling hurt. 109 00:07:26,664 --> 00:07:30,224 Speaker 3: But John being John, John would be the one who 110 00:07:30,264 --> 00:07:34,464 Speaker 3: would want to write a hurtful songs his kind of bag. 111 00:07:34,744 --> 00:07:34,944 Speaker 1: You know. 112 00:07:36,224 --> 00:07:39,184 Speaker 6: I don't believe in Peters. 113 00:07:42,704 --> 00:07:44,904 Speaker 3: I just believe in me. 114 00:07:52,264 --> 00:07:57,024 Speaker 4: In his nineteen seventy song God, Lennon announced the end 115 00:07:57,384 --> 00:08:01,424 Speaker 4: of the Beatles dream Dreams Over. 116 00:08:05,984 --> 00:08:06,944 Speaker 5: What can I say? 117 00:08:08,864 --> 00:08:12,624 Speaker 4: And to publicize the release of his new album, he 118 00:08:12,744 --> 00:08:17,944 Speaker 4: was interviewed by Rolling Stone Fonder and publisher Yan Winner. 119 00:08:18,584 --> 00:08:23,144 Speaker 7: I no longer believe in in myth, you know, and 120 00:08:23,224 --> 00:08:26,024 Speaker 7: Beatles is another myth. I don't believe in it. The 121 00:08:26,104 --> 00:08:28,784 Speaker 7: dream's over, you know. And I'm not just talking about 122 00:08:28,824 --> 00:08:31,024 Speaker 7: the Beatles as though, I'm talking about the generation thing. 123 00:08:32,024 --> 00:08:32,264 Speaker 1: You know. 124 00:08:32,464 --> 00:08:35,144 Speaker 7: The dreams over like it's over, you know, and we 125 00:08:35,264 --> 00:08:38,104 Speaker 7: got to well, I have any of you personally got 126 00:08:38,144 --> 00:08:41,224 Speaker 7: to get down to so called reality. 127 00:08:42,504 --> 00:08:45,024 Speaker 3: John would do it in some of the songs. He 128 00:08:45,144 --> 00:08:49,224 Speaker 3: was writing some of the comments about how the Beatles 129 00:08:49,224 --> 00:08:49,824 Speaker 3: did nothing. 130 00:08:49,904 --> 00:08:51,744 Speaker 1: It was rubbish, The Beatles was crap. 131 00:08:52,304 --> 00:08:54,704 Speaker 3: And you know I told you Yoko Saint Paul never 132 00:08:54,744 --> 00:08:57,064 Speaker 3: did anything. All he did was book the studio. 133 00:08:57,824 --> 00:08:59,784 Speaker 7: It looks so awful. When I said I don't like 134 00:08:59,824 --> 00:09:01,184 Speaker 7: this and I don't like that, it's just that I 135 00:09:01,224 --> 00:09:04,384 Speaker 7: wouldn't you know. I don't like many of the Beatles 136 00:09:04,464 --> 00:09:09,504 Speaker 7: records either. You know, my own taste is different from 137 00:09:09,544 --> 00:09:12,264 Speaker 7: that which I've played sometimes, which is called cop out 138 00:09:12,584 --> 00:09:14,984 Speaker 7: to make money over whatever or because I didn't know 139 00:09:14,984 --> 00:09:15,464 Speaker 7: any better. 140 00:09:16,064 --> 00:09:18,704 Speaker 5: So I'm having to read all this stuff and I'll 141 00:09:18,744 --> 00:09:19,504 Speaker 5: there one hand, they. 142 00:09:19,504 --> 00:09:22,944 Speaker 1: Go, oh, fuck off, your fucking idiot, and that's my 143 00:09:23,144 --> 00:09:24,144 Speaker 1: main sentiment. 144 00:09:24,704 --> 00:09:26,944 Speaker 5: But on the other hand, it's like, what why would 145 00:09:26,984 --> 00:09:27,744 Speaker 5: you say that? 146 00:09:28,184 --> 00:09:30,824 Speaker 1: Why would you want to be? What is it about me? 147 00:09:31,144 --> 00:09:34,544 Speaker 5: Like you're annoyed at me or you're jealous or what 148 00:09:34,744 --> 00:09:35,024 Speaker 5: is it? 149 00:09:35,064 --> 00:09:35,264 Speaker 1: You know? 150 00:09:35,944 --> 00:09:38,984 Speaker 3: And John had all of those emotions wrapped up into 151 00:09:39,024 --> 00:09:41,544 Speaker 3: a ball of lenon is. 152 00:09:41,544 --> 00:09:52,664 Speaker 4: That in too many people? His nineteen seventies version of 153 00:09:52,704 --> 00:09:57,264 Speaker 4: a disc track, McCartney made a veiled response to Lennon's 154 00:09:57,304 --> 00:09:58,744 Speaker 4: harsh comments. 155 00:10:09,144 --> 00:10:13,584 Speaker 3: I meant, I think literally people sort of grabbing for 156 00:10:13,864 --> 00:10:16,224 Speaker 3: a piece of the cake, a slice. 157 00:10:16,664 --> 00:10:18,584 Speaker 2: Piece of the pie, also the apple. 158 00:10:19,104 --> 00:10:22,344 Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. Yeah. So I think that because it had 159 00:10:22,384 --> 00:10:28,464 Speaker 3: all been just a little bit weird and a bit nasty, 160 00:10:29,304 --> 00:10:34,304 Speaker 3: I was just basically saying, let's be sensible, let's be peaceful. 161 00:10:34,384 --> 00:10:37,744 Speaker 3: Let's you know, we we've we had a lot going 162 00:10:38,944 --> 00:10:41,944 Speaker 3: and what's actually split us up is. 163 00:10:41,904 --> 00:10:42,784 Speaker 1: The business stuff. 164 00:10:43,784 --> 00:10:48,264 Speaker 3: That's pretty pathetic, really, so let's try and be peaceful. 165 00:10:54,904 --> 00:10:55,184 Speaker 8: Weird. 166 00:10:58,864 --> 00:11:02,424 Speaker 3: I think it was quite mild, but the idea of 167 00:11:02,464 --> 00:11:08,144 Speaker 3: too many people preaching practices was aimed at him and 168 00:11:08,224 --> 00:11:10,864 Speaker 3: yoga telling everyone what they. 169 00:11:10,744 --> 00:11:11,424 Speaker 1: Ought to do. 170 00:11:12,424 --> 00:11:15,424 Speaker 3: You should do this, should do that, And I just 171 00:11:15,504 --> 00:11:19,064 Speaker 3: got fed up being told what to do. So I 172 00:11:19,144 --> 00:11:22,824 Speaker 3: wrote the song, and it was you made your first mistake, 173 00:11:23,304 --> 00:11:27,224 Speaker 3: you know, you took your lucky break and broke it 174 00:11:27,264 --> 00:11:38,304 Speaker 3: in two. Was me basically saying, you've made this break, so. 175 00:11:40,144 --> 00:11:45,264 Speaker 1: Good luck with it. But I say it was pretty mild. 176 00:11:45,304 --> 00:11:57,864 Speaker 3: I didn't really come out with any savagery. The first 177 00:11:57,864 --> 00:12:03,104 Speaker 3: person and the chorus was basically that was all the 178 00:12:03,184 --> 00:12:06,704 Speaker 3: anger I could muster. And when I did the vocal 179 00:12:06,744 --> 00:12:08,744 Speaker 3: one of the second line, too many reaching for a 180 00:12:08,784 --> 00:12:12,344 Speaker 3: piece of cake. I remember singing it, and if you 181 00:12:12,424 --> 00:12:15,584 Speaker 3: listen to it, it says, piss off cake, too many 182 00:12:15,584 --> 00:12:17,184 Speaker 3: people reaching for a piss off cake. 183 00:12:17,704 --> 00:12:19,024 Speaker 8: Many reading. 184 00:12:23,544 --> 00:12:26,504 Speaker 3: I was just getting back at him, but I wasn't 185 00:12:26,544 --> 00:12:28,224 Speaker 3: really in it many. 186 00:12:29,464 --> 00:12:29,864 Speaker 6: Lucky. 187 00:12:40,024 --> 00:12:44,544 Speaker 4: Despite the mild nature of the insults in too Many People, 188 00:12:45,264 --> 00:12:49,544 Speaker 4: Lennon was fired up and responded with the song how 189 00:12:49,544 --> 00:13:09,624 Speaker 4: do You Sleep on his nineteen seventy one album Imagine. 190 00:13:10,024 --> 00:13:29,744 Speaker 3: Yes, I understand some of the stuff he was doing. 191 00:13:30,824 --> 00:13:34,544 Speaker 3: He actually had Alan Klein and Yoko in the room 192 00:13:35,304 --> 00:13:41,784 Speaker 3: suggesting lyrics. So all you ever did was yesterday, apparently, 193 00:13:42,104 --> 00:13:43,424 Speaker 3: was Alan Clein's suggestion. 194 00:13:43,944 --> 00:13:44,384 Speaker 2: Wow. 195 00:13:44,704 --> 00:13:48,504 Speaker 3: So John McCay, hey, hey, great, put that in. And 196 00:13:48,584 --> 00:13:50,784 Speaker 3: I can see the joy in the fun and the 197 00:13:50,904 --> 00:13:54,344 Speaker 3: laughs they had doing it. But I've got to work 198 00:13:54,464 --> 00:13:58,104 Speaker 3: very hard to not take this too seriously. But in 199 00:13:58,184 --> 00:13:59,784 Speaker 3: the back of my mind, I'm going, wait a minute, 200 00:13:59,864 --> 00:14:02,624 Speaker 3: all I ever did was yesterday. Yeah, well, it's funny, 201 00:14:02,664 --> 00:14:06,424 Speaker 3: it's funny pun But all I ever did was yesterday. 202 00:14:06,544 --> 00:14:09,864 Speaker 3: Let him be Long Wining Road, Elean repe Lady Madonna, 203 00:14:09,944 --> 00:14:35,784 Speaker 3: fuck you John, Too many people sharing party lines? I 204 00:14:35,824 --> 00:14:38,824 Speaker 3: don't know what that means except people used to have 205 00:14:38,944 --> 00:14:41,984 Speaker 3: party lines and you coming on their conversations. 206 00:14:42,424 --> 00:14:45,824 Speaker 9: But the party line of Paul is also tolling the 207 00:14:45,864 --> 00:14:46,824 Speaker 9: party line. 208 00:14:47,024 --> 00:14:50,104 Speaker 2: You know, this is our position here, and we're fixed 209 00:14:50,144 --> 00:14:50,904 Speaker 2: in that position. 210 00:14:52,064 --> 00:14:55,664 Speaker 3: Basically, all of these things were just whether they were 211 00:14:55,704 --> 00:14:59,264 Speaker 3: actually physically right, whether John and Joko slept in late 212 00:14:59,424 --> 00:15:06,544 Speaker 3: or not. Yeah, they were all veiled references to people 213 00:15:06,704 --> 00:15:13,584 Speaker 3: thinking that the only truth is their own truth, which 214 00:15:13,624 --> 00:15:17,624 Speaker 3: is what was coming from John and Yoko. And you 215 00:15:17,744 --> 00:15:24,344 Speaker 3: know the thing is it was crap. War is over. Well, 216 00:15:24,384 --> 00:15:40,904 Speaker 3: no it isn't. But I get what you're saying. War 217 00:15:41,104 --> 00:15:44,504 Speaker 3: is over if you want it. So if enough people 218 00:15:44,544 --> 00:15:47,824 Speaker 3: want war to be over, it'll be over. I'm not 219 00:15:47,864 --> 00:15:53,184 Speaker 3: sure that's entirely true, but it's a great sentiment. It's 220 00:15:53,224 --> 00:15:56,744 Speaker 3: a nice thing to think and to say. I'd been 221 00:15:56,784 --> 00:16:01,064 Speaker 3: able to accept Yoko in the studio on a blanket 222 00:16:01,904 --> 00:16:06,144 Speaker 3: in front of my app I worked hard to come 223 00:16:06,184 --> 00:16:09,064 Speaker 3: to terms with that, but then when we broke up, 224 00:16:09,144 --> 00:16:16,104 Speaker 3: when everyone was now flailing around, John turned nasty. So 225 00:16:16,744 --> 00:16:35,744 Speaker 3: this is me sort of saying shut up. Really. 226 00:16:26,464 --> 00:16:42,744 Speaker 2: You know, that's a song that has a particular purpose. 227 00:16:43,104 --> 00:16:44,264 Speaker 1: Too many people. 228 00:16:44,304 --> 00:16:48,064 Speaker 9: Yeah, for better or worse it is, you know, getting back. 229 00:16:48,664 --> 00:16:51,384 Speaker 9: That's not really a feature of your songs much, is it. 230 00:16:51,624 --> 00:16:52,944 Speaker 1: No, I don't do that much. 231 00:16:54,584 --> 00:16:59,064 Speaker 5: And Jesus. 232 00:17:03,824 --> 00:17:07,944 Speaker 4: Well, McCartney's lyrics were more often about love than competition. 233 00:17:08,544 --> 00:17:13,104 Speaker 4: He enjoyed Lennon. Both wrote many songs with the intention 234 00:17:13,344 --> 00:17:17,464 Speaker 4: of impressing or even upstaging one another. 235 00:17:17,984 --> 00:17:18,544 Speaker 1: That was the. 236 00:17:18,544 --> 00:17:23,144 Speaker 3: Nature of all competitiveness. And we're both very upfront about that. 237 00:17:23,384 --> 00:17:25,064 Speaker 3: You know, if you'd write a good one, I'd feel 238 00:17:25,104 --> 00:17:26,544 Speaker 3: like that to write a better one. 239 00:17:26,744 --> 00:17:26,944 Speaker 1: You know. 240 00:17:27,104 --> 00:17:32,104 Speaker 9: That is a very very common phenomenon, very understandable one. 241 00:17:32,304 --> 00:17:33,584 Speaker 1: It's also a great. 242 00:17:33,344 --> 00:17:37,424 Speaker 5: Thing because it's inspiration, you know, it's it's motivation. 243 00:17:38,384 --> 00:17:42,264 Speaker 3: If you've got someone who you respect who comes up 244 00:17:42,264 --> 00:17:43,384 Speaker 3: with something rather good. 245 00:17:44,144 --> 00:17:46,144 Speaker 5: Sure it happens to everyone totally. 246 00:17:46,544 --> 00:17:51,384 Speaker 10: You know, you'll suddenly see so and so's new poem 247 00:17:51,424 --> 00:17:56,424 Speaker 10: and think, hmm. You don't necessarily have to tell anyone no, 248 00:17:56,984 --> 00:18:01,944 Speaker 10: but in your own private mind you just think, well, 249 00:18:01,944 --> 00:18:02,584 Speaker 10: I could do that. 250 00:18:03,784 --> 00:18:07,744 Speaker 4: There's no doubt this friendly competition contributed to the beatles 251 00:18:07,904 --> 00:18:13,904 Speaker 4: prolific output. After the band's disintegration, However, the competition between 252 00:18:13,984 --> 00:18:17,184 Speaker 4: McCartney and Lennon was no longer about who could write 253 00:18:17,184 --> 00:18:21,464 Speaker 4: a more catchy chorus or skillful bridge. It was about 254 00:18:21,744 --> 00:18:25,904 Speaker 4: who could fling the most hurt Here again is how 255 00:18:25,904 --> 00:18:27,024 Speaker 4: do you sleep. 256 00:18:29,424 --> 00:18:33,744 Speaker 3: Those e. 257 00:18:41,544 --> 00:18:42,224 Speaker 8: Mis sake? 258 00:18:58,744 --> 00:19:00,984 Speaker 5: You gotta remember I sued him in court. 259 00:19:01,424 --> 00:19:07,384 Speaker 3: I sued my friends from Liverpool Lifeline friends in court. 260 00:19:07,904 --> 00:19:11,744 Speaker 3: So there's a lot of getting over that has had 261 00:19:11,784 --> 00:19:12,304 Speaker 3: to be done. 262 00:19:12,544 --> 00:19:16,824 Speaker 4: As much as too many people represented McCartney on the attack, 263 00:19:17,464 --> 00:19:21,904 Speaker 4: it wasn't aligned with his natural disposition. Six months later, 264 00:19:22,264 --> 00:19:26,704 Speaker 4: he made an attempt at appeasement in Dear Friend, a 265 00:19:26,824 --> 00:19:30,424 Speaker 4: song from his nineteen seventy one album Wildlife. 266 00:19:31,824 --> 00:19:41,184 Speaker 8: Dear Friend, what's the time? Is this really the boer? 267 00:19:44,224 --> 00:19:48,664 Speaker 8: Does it really mean so much? 268 00:19:48,944 --> 00:19:49,784 Speaker 5: Do you? 269 00:19:51,504 --> 00:19:51,824 Speaker 6: I mean? 270 00:19:52,624 --> 00:19:54,584 Speaker 1: Why is this argument going on? 271 00:19:55,264 --> 00:19:56,144 Speaker 8: You're afraid? 272 00:19:57,384 --> 00:19:59,464 Speaker 1: Is it because you're afraid of something? 273 00:20:00,104 --> 00:20:01,704 Speaker 8: Oh? Is it true? 274 00:20:02,904 --> 00:20:05,984 Speaker 3: Are you afraid of the split up? Are you afraid 275 00:20:06,024 --> 00:20:09,344 Speaker 3: of me doing something without you? 276 00:20:09,984 --> 00:20:10,624 Speaker 2: Dear friend? 277 00:20:12,864 --> 00:20:13,904 Speaker 11: Through the word. 278 00:20:15,984 --> 00:20:19,384 Speaker 8: I mad love with a friend of mine? 279 00:20:20,664 --> 00:20:24,104 Speaker 1: Are you afraid of the consequences of this? 280 00:20:24,824 --> 00:20:27,064 Speaker 8: Who knows newly? 281 00:20:29,664 --> 00:20:31,864 Speaker 5: And then the little rhyme is or is it true? 282 00:20:32,544 --> 00:20:32,744 Speaker 5: You know? 283 00:20:34,144 --> 00:20:34,624 Speaker 1: Is it true? 284 00:20:34,784 --> 00:20:37,824 Speaker 5: Is all these hurtful allegations true? 285 00:20:38,224 --> 00:20:51,104 Speaker 8: Ah, is it true? 286 00:20:52,464 --> 00:20:56,144 Speaker 4: I was aware of the McCartney Lenon feud as it 287 00:20:56,224 --> 00:21:00,864 Speaker 4: was happening, and I heard these very public arguments in 288 00:21:00,984 --> 00:21:04,984 Speaker 4: the songs. But I've always wondered if there was indeed 289 00:21:05,144 --> 00:21:10,384 Speaker 4: a form of reconciliation. Did Lenon ever listen to Dear Friend? 290 00:21:11,104 --> 00:21:12,544 Speaker 1: I would think he did. 291 00:21:13,184 --> 00:21:19,224 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would think he listened to my records, you know, 292 00:21:19,224 --> 00:21:20,064 Speaker 3: when they came out. 293 00:21:20,784 --> 00:21:23,264 Speaker 2: Did they ever respond to this in particular? 294 00:21:23,544 --> 00:21:27,344 Speaker 1: No? No, that was not his way. 295 00:21:27,584 --> 00:21:31,824 Speaker 3: You know, we were guys, and it's not it's not 296 00:21:31,904 --> 00:21:34,864 Speaker 3: like a boy and girl. It's like it's a guy 297 00:21:34,904 --> 00:21:38,064 Speaker 3: and guy. It's a boy and boy, and you don't, 298 00:21:38,384 --> 00:21:38,664 Speaker 3: you know. 299 00:21:38,704 --> 00:21:41,024 Speaker 1: You don't. 300 00:21:42,504 --> 00:21:52,584 Speaker 3: Those days, you didn't release as much emotion with each other, did. 301 00:21:53,824 --> 00:21:54,704 Speaker 8: What's the time. 302 00:21:55,144 --> 00:22:00,104 Speaker 4: Even if Lennon never explicitly addressed McCartney's olive branch, the 303 00:22:00,184 --> 00:22:03,864 Speaker 4: two did find their way back to one another. 304 00:22:06,544 --> 00:22:07,784 Speaker 8: Means so much. 305 00:22:10,104 --> 00:22:13,944 Speaker 4: Some years later, Lennon even admitted that the anger and 306 00:22:14,104 --> 00:22:17,624 Speaker 4: lyrical attacks and songs like how Do You Sleep were 307 00:22:17,744 --> 00:22:22,824 Speaker 4: directed more towards himself than towards McCartney. Eventually, they were 308 00:22:22,864 --> 00:22:25,984 Speaker 4: able to put the hurt and negative feelings behind them 309 00:22:26,504 --> 00:22:28,944 Speaker 4: and moved forward with their friendship. 310 00:22:29,664 --> 00:22:33,024 Speaker 3: It was super, super painful, and there was a lot 311 00:22:33,064 --> 00:22:39,384 Speaker 3: of navigation of emotions to be done, a lot of 312 00:22:39,904 --> 00:22:46,584 Speaker 3: hurt to be sailed around, but we did it, and 313 00:22:46,704 --> 00:22:48,944 Speaker 3: you know, in the end was something I was very 314 00:22:48,984 --> 00:22:50,384 Speaker 3: glad of when he got. 315 00:22:51,744 --> 00:22:54,864 Speaker 1: Murdered, was that I had had. 316 00:22:56,464 --> 00:23:01,864 Speaker 3: Some really good times with him before that happened. It 317 00:23:01,864 --> 00:23:03,664 Speaker 3: would have been the worst thing in the world for 318 00:23:03,784 --> 00:23:06,904 Speaker 3: someone like me. Had he'd just been killed and we 319 00:23:07,024 --> 00:23:10,504 Speaker 3: still had bad relationship, I would have just thought, oh, 320 00:23:10,624 --> 00:23:12,304 Speaker 3: I should have, I should have, I should have, I 321 00:23:12,344 --> 00:23:15,384 Speaker 3: should have. That would have been a big guilt trip 322 00:23:15,464 --> 00:23:19,864 Speaker 3: for me. Luckily, you know, we were friendly and we 323 00:23:20,704 --> 00:23:26,824 Speaker 3: talked about how to bake bread. 324 00:23:27,424 --> 00:23:31,984 Speaker 4: It seems like Paul McCartney's adoration for his childhood friend 325 00:23:32,584 --> 00:23:38,544 Speaker 4: has only deepened over time. In twenty twenty two, on 326 00:23:38,784 --> 00:23:44,624 Speaker 4: his Got Back tour, McCartney surprised his audience by bringing 327 00:23:44,744 --> 00:23:48,984 Speaker 4: Lennon back on stage. Turning away from the crowd, he 328 00:23:49,104 --> 00:23:52,504 Speaker 4: looked up at a video of his old friend projected 329 00:23:52,824 --> 00:23:57,864 Speaker 4: on a giant screen behind him, and together they sang 330 00:23:58,024 --> 00:24:07,264 Speaker 4: I've got a feeling, their contrasting voices washing over the crowd. 331 00:24:07,784 --> 00:24:45,784 Speaker 4: The two Beatles again joined in a musical conversation. In 332 00:24:45,864 --> 00:24:51,624 Speaker 4: the next episode, when I get to the bottom, I go. 333 00:24:51,744 --> 00:24:54,544 Speaker 6: Back to the top of the slot where stop. 334 00:24:55,424 --> 00:24:57,944 Speaker 11: Go right till I get to the past. 335 00:24:59,384 --> 00:25:04,344 Speaker 4: All an innocent carnival ride gave birth to heavy metal. 336 00:25:04,784 --> 00:25:05,864 Speaker 2: Do you don't you? 337 00:25:09,344 --> 00:25:28,264 Speaker 11: Hmmm, tell me. 338 00:25:16,944 --> 00:25:17,344 Speaker 3: Tell me. 339 00:25:30,824 --> 00:25:34,864 Speaker 4: McCartney. A Life in Lyrics is a co production between 340 00:25:34,984 --> 00:25:39,144 Speaker 4: iHeartMedia n p L. And Pushkin Industries.