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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast. I wish they had at

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Speaker 1: Chipotle Burrito named after them. Welcome to us. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: true to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hances. I come to from the

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Speaker 1: virtual and filled with some heroes. Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler. Boys,

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Speaker 1: It's it's Monday, but I want to start Monday with

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Speaker 1: a nice story. This is shooting one. Last week on

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Speaker 1: the podcast, we were talking about Whispers training Camp Whispers,

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Speaker 1: and we got to the Cincinnati's football franchise and we

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Speaker 1: started talking about Joseph Burrow and what's going on with him,

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Speaker 1: and then it kind of delved into can you trust

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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals to handle this the right way? The

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Speaker 1: special talent. We're a little bit worried about the Bengals

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Speaker 1: based on their history history of struggles. And during that conversation,

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Speaker 1: West came up, as he often does when we're talking

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Speaker 1: to Bengals, and uh, we're talking about when I tried

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Speaker 1: to I was trying to woo West back to the

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Speaker 1: Bengals and it just never worked out. And then the

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Speaker 1: dossier came up. The Chris Westling Bengals dossier came up,

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Speaker 1: the one that he cataloged years of frustrations UM with

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Speaker 1: the Bengals and the incompetence in his opinion of the

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Speaker 1: organization and how it was run, which led to him

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Speaker 1: divorcing himself from the team. So a nice conversation, good

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Speaker 1: to bring up West. Week show goes on. So then

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Speaker 1: tug boats on the peloton because sometimes the tug boats

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Speaker 1: gotta get on the peloton. You are a tug boat

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Speaker 1: for listeners that might be doing. Do not know that

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Speaker 1: all the listeners know I'm tugboat. Now that thing is

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Speaker 1: taken off. It just you know, they hop in and out.

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Speaker 1: They're they're coming back for the regular season. We see

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Speaker 1: those numbers. Skying Sky tug boat is the new old

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Speaker 1: Is Daddy Rich? I think he just went seventh person

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Speaker 1: four times anyway, So it's training camp for all of us,

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Speaker 1: and UM on the pelton and I get a phone call. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm on the bike. It's Lakisha, Lakisha Jackson West and

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, what's going on, Kisha? Everything okay. Lakisha

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Speaker 1: And I didn't know what it was. And I have

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Speaker 1: she didn't know what it was. And she only knew

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Speaker 1: because somehow the dossier came up on that day's podcast.

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Speaker 1: So we start figuring out, Oh, what do we gotta do.

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Speaker 1: She was going to pick up a link from daycares like,

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Speaker 1: Lakisha gets back to the office just in time. Scoops

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Speaker 1: up the dossier. Look at this in my hands right

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Speaker 1: now is the iconic Chris Westling Divorces the Bengals dossier.

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Speaker 1: And how many things. It's got to be hundreds, oh

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Speaker 1: And it doesn't surprise me all the highlighting and all

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Speaker 1: But he has that unique arm talent. That's why the

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Speaker 1: Jets fell in love with him, and to hit to

429
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Speaker 1: them was the clear number two after Trevor Lawrence. How

430
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Speaker 1: about you, Mark, Um, I want to take a look

431
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Speaker 1: at the I wanted to see what was going on

432
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Speaker 1: with Toua, and I saw a different too, at to

433
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Speaker 1: some degree. Um. He threw a bit of a killer

434
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Speaker 1: interception at the end. He tossed it into double coverage

435
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Speaker 1: in the end zone. But I saw more decisive throws. Um.

436
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Speaker 1: I would go look at a the rope he threw

437
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 1: to Mike Kasiki, who is going to be awesome this season.

438
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: He was good last year too, Um. But then he

439
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,199
Speaker 1: had a throw to Mac Hollands, um classics, super right

440
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Speaker 1: into a tight window. I thought it showed guts, um decisiveness,

441
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Speaker 1: some of the stuff we weren't seeing last year. And

442
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 1: you can and it's hard to tell what that offense

443
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Speaker 1: is gonna look like. We know it's different because we've

444
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Speaker 1: talked to people close to the team on that one. Um,

445
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 1: but it's going to be deeper throws, it's going to

446
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Speaker 1: be more aggressive, And I think that it was a

447
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 1: good first step for two. If you're a Dolphins fan,

448
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,439
Speaker 1: you've been concerned about kind of where he's at mentally

449
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 1: and stuff. He looks sharper To me, he looked like

450
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Speaker 1: he was ready to go, and he made a couple

451
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Speaker 1: of great throws. They need to get back on the field.

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Speaker 1: You know, Will Fuller hasn't practiced like alive training camp.

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Speaker 1: That sound familiar. Texans fan DeVante Parker's banged up most

454
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Speaker 1: of the training game. That sounds familiar. It's like they

455
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 1: want to get those guys back on the field. But

456
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Speaker 1: Fuller not for nothing. And I'm a Will Fuller fan.

457
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Speaker 1: As a player, he's always, I think been a little underrated.

458
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Speaker 1: But he he finally stayed healthy last year and I

459
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Speaker 1: was like, oh, but he didn't finish the season. Oh,

460
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Speaker 1: he had a p D bust. So it's like, did

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Speaker 1: he stay healthy because he was on p DS? We

462
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Speaker 1: don't know, But the fact that he's gone right back

463
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Speaker 1: to having injury issues. Yeah, two was on my list

464
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Speaker 1: two mark because uh, he had a three and out

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Speaker 1: and then he completed eight straight passes and Kazaki passes,

466
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Speaker 1: a beautiful touch pass that went for fifty yards. As

467
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Speaker 1: you mentioned, it is a shame that his day ended

468
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Speaker 1: on the interception because if he if he doesn't make

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Speaker 1: that mistake and he punches the ball in two is

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Speaker 1: a major talking point this week about how big his

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Speaker 1: day is. But if you watched it, you see the

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Speaker 1: positives there. They outgained Chicago two fifteen yards seventy nine

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Speaker 1: in the first half, and I just loved. Then Jake

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Speaker 1: Briskett comes in and it's like a reminder, oh yeah, smart,

475
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Speaker 1: smart move by the Dolphins Ryan Fitzpatrick. Let him go

476
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Speaker 1: elsewhere and get a really steady, non glamorous back up

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Speaker 1: in there so to can be completely free of any

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Speaker 1: of that concern. I just think he's being set up. Well.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about the co offensive coordinators thing, and

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Speaker 1: I still, even after we talked to Cam Wolfe for

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Speaker 1: a new NFL network reporter that does a lot of

482
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Speaker 1: Dolphins coverage, I didn't come out of that conversation feeling

483
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Speaker 1: like like, Oh, they have this figured out, because there's

484
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Speaker 1: still gotta be somebody the batman to the Robin and

485
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Speaker 1: somebody Gods. I think not that it makes a huge difference,

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Speaker 1: but I'm I'm pretty sure God sees the one we

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Speaker 1: see the nugget about um having two in Corona time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Cults were without their defensive coordinator this

489
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Speaker 1: weekend because he was there was some sort of Corona

490
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Speaker 1: scenario going on. So I would maybe have two of

491
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Speaker 1: every coach. It just doubled us staff pay for it.

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Speaker 1: And well, but then what happens is if you get

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Speaker 1: two of every coach follow along here Mark at the

494
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Speaker 1: team facility, all of a sudden you have double the people,

495
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Speaker 1: and the whole reason you have two of every coach

496
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 1: is because the coronavirus. And now you've doubled the capacity

497
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Speaker 1: of your building. I mean, maybe you just that defeats

498
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Speaker 1: the whole purpose. Do you ever think about that in

499
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Speaker 1: times of the delta variant market? Maybe he didn't follow

500
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Speaker 1: it through to its final conclusion, but it's not I

501
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't be unnatural to have kind of the one B

502
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Speaker 1: coach home on zoom doing stuff on zoom. We don't

503
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Speaker 1: need your physical body with us. That's why they got

504
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Speaker 1: two Belichicks in New England. Um, that mullet that you

505
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Speaker 1: tweeted out is looking good on Steve So's if anything happens,

506
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Speaker 1: he's committed to it. I'll give him that. What else

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Speaker 1: I'll throw out one? Um of the Broncos offense that

508
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Speaker 1: I really thought kJ Hamler and then especially Davante Williams

509
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Speaker 1: have so much juice And this was a wess is Um.

510
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Speaker 1: The preseason is all about like the rookie running backs

511
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Speaker 1: because they more than anyone, they they are all about

512
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Speaker 1: the eye test. Jonathavi Williams was my favorite running back

513
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Speaker 1: coming into this draft and just seeing him behind that

514
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Speaker 1: offensive and he's such like a perfect zone like cut

515
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Speaker 1: back runner. You could see the vision, you could see

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Speaker 1: the explosion. That is an awesome one to punch with

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Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon, who's banged up again, and it's good to

518
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Speaker 1: have someone with him. I think Melvin Gordon's weirdly underrated

519
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 1: at this point. And like you can just tell Javonti

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Speaker 1: Williams is gonna be a player and kJ Hamdler, he's

521
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Speaker 1: a light guy, but he, in theory, is their fourth receiver,

522
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Speaker 1: and I mean he has got jets not you know,

523
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Speaker 1: he had the eight yard touchdown and there's another couple

524
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Speaker 1: of plays there where like he is someone that's sort

525
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Speaker 1: of uncomfortable in these training camp practices. And if you

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Speaker 1: just line up all the weapons, man, it's almost like

527
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Speaker 1: they're too good to fail that I know, I'm not

528
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: gonna go crazy that lock in Teddy played great against backups,

529
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Speaker 1: playing fairly vanilla like it's to me, it's just like

530
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Speaker 1: Hamdler and Javonte Williams are a reminder that they go

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Speaker 1: seven eight deep of pretty fun weapons there. The Broncos.

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Speaker 1: I'm all in on the Broncos. Making the playoffs sounds

533
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Speaker 1: familiar but no, you're right, You're right, this is all

534
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Speaker 1: set up. They're set up well for a ten or

535
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Speaker 1: eleven one season of being one of the a f

536
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Speaker 1: C wild cards. If they could just get steady play

537
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Speaker 1: out of quarterback, right, they can survive. And they can

538
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Speaker 1: survive an injury or two. You know, they had a

539
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Speaker 1: lot last year, and it's like they can lose the

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Speaker 1: tight end, they can lose the receiver, they can even

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Speaker 1: lose the running back and they still have Like, even

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Speaker 1: for a pessimist like me with that QB room, the

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00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: ceiling for Drew Lock and Teddy Bridgewater is to me

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Speaker 1: steady play. So like it's not out of like the

545
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Speaker 1: uh realm of outcomes here that they play well to

546
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: their abilities within this offense surrounded by good talent. So yeah,

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00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: I think if you're a Denver fan, you have a

548
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: lot of reasons to be optimistic, even though in the

549
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: back of your mind you're wondering if you've been left

550
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: vulnerable again by the decision. There is a world to

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00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: where we're Lock is someone we just don't know yet

552
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: that maybe he makes even more of a leap beyond steady.

553
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: I don't see that yet, but I will say something.

554
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: I thought he threw the ball really well in that game.

555
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 1: It's a small sample size, but the whole quarterback scenario

556
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: looked a little cleaner than it has in a while

557
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Speaker 1: in Denver. But you know against they were well, no,

558
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: it's not against first teamers. I'm just saying that. That's

559
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Speaker 1: why I went with the scale guys. I went with

560
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Speaker 1: the skill guys because I really do think you could

561
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: see Javan and Handler and be like, oh, those guys

562
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: are funny. There's another world where they both threw two

563
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: interceptions and everyone's melting. They were. They were clean and steady,

564
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Speaker 1: which is all we're asking for. Um. Oh, my favorite

565
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Speaker 1: part of the summer with these preseason games is that

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Speaker 1: a lot of the games are covered by local TV. Um.

567
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Speaker 1: You don't have national networks covering this game. So to

568
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Speaker 1: build out a broadcasting roster, you got all sorts of

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Speaker 1: people coming from all over the place. And the Minnesota Vikings, Uh,

570
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Speaker 1: they had a I don't know actually who it is,

571
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: and the question asked is not a bad one. Although

572
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Speaker 1: what I'm getting at overall is that sometimes you have

573
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Speaker 1: people that aren't really equipped to be handling NFL coverage

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Speaker 1: doing NFL coverage but in this case, the question was

575
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: fine enough. It was Zimmer's answer that just reminded me

576
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Speaker 1: a hy. I like Mike Zimmer a lot and be

577
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: why some guys get what the preseason is about and

578
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: some guys maybe don't. Zimmer gets it and he keeps

579
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Speaker 1: it real play that back, but there were some good

580
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: change to it. And you saw at the end of

581
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: the half, what did you tell you guys? Tell them

582
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: was a very poor performance. We're gonna scrimmage next week

583
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: with this same bunch because we didn't tackle well, that

584
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Speaker 1: we hadn't made the wrong checks on defense with the

585
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: safety's we're throw an interception for a touchdown. UM to

586
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: go three and out the first two series, terrible punks

587
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: and saw other than that, it's com great. He's not

588
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: gonna he's not going to humor the uh no, the

589
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: sideline interviewer and go along with the line of questioning.

590
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: He was not happy with the first half of the

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00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings. He was given a total softball and he

592
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: completely refused to play ball. Well, while we're while we're

593
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Speaker 1: talking preseason, UM announcers, I do have something that I

594
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Speaker 1: don't know if we're gonna do it weekly, but I'd

595
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: like to call it my uh the ron a fully

596
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: moment of the week from the great Cardinals preseason announcer

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Speaker 1: Horse for you. That was just every doubt, you know what, Honestly,

598
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Speaker 1: I wish I had one on right now, so I'd

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Speaker 1: let you pull it down over the bridge of my nose.

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00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: Get a little blood flowing up here automatic first down.

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00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: It needed a little context and it went back too far,

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Speaker 1: but he was talking about just having a helmet on,

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00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: and and uh as announcer was like, oh, yeah, you

604
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: should have one on too. He's like, yeah, I wish

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00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: someone would just, you know, slam that helmet over the bridge.

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Speaker 1: That I know is the comments come with no context actually,

607
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: so you'll just get that really cracked me up because

608
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: the guy's response was like, alright, setting up for first down.

609
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: He had no response to just wanting a lot of

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Speaker 1: blood on all over him in the booth like that

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Speaker 1: Andrew w k album cover just woefully just covered in

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Speaker 1: his own blood. Anything anything else, I have a quick one.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've talked about the browns um in

614
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Speaker 1: ages because it's like every everything, no, no, I want

615
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Speaker 1: to tell you about. I don't know if there is

616
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Speaker 1: a well, it's just I don't think there is a

617
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: more buzzy player that I've experienced in Brown's Brown's camps.

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00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: It's maybe back when like Josh Cribs started to become

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Speaker 1: a star. Donovan People's Jones has been written up day

620
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Speaker 1: after day as someone who is as a wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: maybe the future of that wide receiver room, because they're

622
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: gonna have like thirty million tied up in their veterans

623
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Speaker 1: next season. Beckham, I'm not sure that he'll be back,

624
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: but People's Jones has made plays every game or every practice,

625
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: and in the game he did the same thing against

626
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: the Jaguars. Another guy, their second round rookie who could

627
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: have been a first rounder, linebacker Jeremiah a Wosu Coamoa

628
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: joke Um. Look to me, it kind of was had

629
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Speaker 1: a Micah Parsons field to me his speed cloth go

630
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: watch a play. Whe had a clothe. He he came

631
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Speaker 1: in like on four yards. It took him like maybe

632
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: a second to travel four yards. Looked like kind of

633
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: a like a maddened guy on super Jets are super engines.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It was exciting to watch, Like I

635
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: think he's going to be a big part of that defense.

636
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: He didn't play a ton in that game, but his

637
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: role as expanding It was out for like ten days

638
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: because of Corona and has come back and looked incredible

639
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: to me. Fifteen and two, sixteen and one. Where do

640
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Speaker 1: you see you know, I'm not saying that. It's just that,

641
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: you know, finally after like eighteen thousand terrible years, draft

642
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: some young guys that are developing, Like, it's about time.

643
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: D p J. As I call him, is my Elijah

644
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: Moore this summer where it's like all the Beat reporters

645
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: are on fire about it. I'm looking at the depth

646
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: chart there. Beckham obviously is the big mystery piece there. Um,

647
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: he's coming back from the A C. L. Jervis Landry.

648
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: He's been a great signing uh by Cleveland and and

649
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,479
Speaker 1: he'll continue to be locked and loaded. There you got

650
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: Richard Higgins, Like, where does is people's jones gonna you

651
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: think get enough playing time to make the impact that

652
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: he can. Well, I'm not calling him like, I don't

653
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: think he's someone you go draft like high up in

654
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: fantasy or something. It's just you know, coming out of Michigan,

655
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: it was like there were a lot of people loved

656
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: his athleticism and then into what they get from him

657
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: last year. He started to make plays down the stretch

658
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: and it's like he's just completely picking up where he

659
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: left off. So I can see his role just expanding.

660
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: It's also like he's a second year player. There may

661
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: be no Beckham next year. I mean, I think he

662
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: will be a starter next season. Makes sense. M makes

663
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. David and Joku hype there. There's

664
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: a lot of hype for the for the depth of

665
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: the brown If if we're wrapping up here, I'll just

666
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: go quickly. Nelville Gallimore is the best defensive tackle on

667
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and is now out six weeks with like

668
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: a broken elbow. Like that already was a major problem

669
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: for them. They've had some bad luck just as they're

670
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: getting some of their bigger name UM guys back. And

671
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: then we should point out, like the Colts quarterback battle,

672
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: which we've been bagging on the whole time, Jacob Eason

673
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: probably had more great throws this week than any of

674
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: those rookie quarterbacks we've mentioned. It's just I I he's

675
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: the type of quarterback I always I'm wrong about. He's

676
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: like the Mike Glennon Zach Mettenberger, He's gonna throw like

677
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,959
Speaker 1: four throws a game where you're like, oh my god,

678
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: that was amazing. But you can see why, like Frank

679
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: Reich likes him, and supposedly that was better than any

680
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: practice he's ever had, which you know, that's kind of

681
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: what you want out of out of them. He he

682
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: came out and he made some awesome throws. He he's

683
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: gonna miss a few and then and then Ellinger come in,

684
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: Like you know from people who have watched them a

685
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: lot of Texas, they were like, that's better than any

686
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: game he ever had at Texas. Like they both played

687
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: great in that game. I would say, compared to expectations.

688
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: If I'm a Cults fan and I'm almost worried that, like,

689
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: if they play too well, any thought of picking up

690
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: another veteran is out the window and it could be

691
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: fool's gold. I tend to think it won't go as well.

692
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: The next two weeks, the Panthers were playing deep backups

693
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: and they were not one of those teams that were

694
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: sending blitz is and doing all sorts of stuff on defense. Well,

695
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, like the the culture total mystery,

696
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: with the quarterback situation, because you've heard the reports out there.

697
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: I think it was some j Glazer that the to

698
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: twelve week timetable for Carson Wentz might be closer to

699
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: five and then if you if you apply that, maybe

700
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: he's right there up against week one or close to it.

701
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: But then the owner, Jim mercy um came out uh

702
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: this past week and said, then we're not gonna rush

703
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: Wentz back to play, And I think that certainly carries

704
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: some weight and tells you maybe something. So we don't

705
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: really know how long. I think that's maybe why I'm

706
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: a little hands off on the whole like what's going

707
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: on with the Cults backups, because I'm not totally sure

708
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: how much it's gonna matter, and because it all depends

709
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: on when Wentz comes back. Well, to me, it matters

710
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: because if he got Wentz gonna stay healthy even even when.

711
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: But but if Easton, if Easton plays two more weeks

712
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: like that, there's no doubt they're not going to get

713
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 1: a veteran. And there there he's gonna start Week one.

714
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: He he did everything he could in that game. Just

715
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what veteran is. They're gonna go get

716
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 1: off the street, that's gonna play better than he did yesterday.

717
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: And Jim Rcy, the owner of the team, I mean,

718
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: this is out of context, but he had a quote

719
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: that I saw on Good Morning Football where basically he

720
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: talked about Sam Ellinger and as a team kind of

721
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 1: finding Tom Brady late in the draft, that maybe that's

722
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: what's happened to us. Again, they have talked about Ellener

723
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: as being like super super buzzy. I'm not I'm not

724
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: saying Dan that I think that this is like this

725
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: is the next time I know it doesn't interest me,

726
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: Like the owner saying the seventh round pick is Tom Brady,

727
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: Like the whole Colts quarterback thing is so murky to

728
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 1: me that I'm just like, I don't know. I'm more

729
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: attaching it to like when they say that Ellinger has,

730
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: you know, high up executives buzzing inside the building. To me,

731
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: there's something going on there where you know they're they're

732
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: not looking for a veteran. They must like these two

733
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: guys more than the average person. Seems given him first

734
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: team reps throughout this week and he might get the

735
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: start in Week two. So he even though Easton played well,

736
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: he sounds like Ellener has a chance that to be

737
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: ahead of crazy Um And I kind of left the

738
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: door open for you there, Greg, But since you didn't mention,

739
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 1: I'll just ask you outright, does it matter because we're

740
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: trying to decide what matters in Week one of the

741
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: pre season, But the Saints had six turnovers on offense. No,

742
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: that's not great. I don't think I don't think that

743
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: one matters. I mean, we just have it seems so flukey.

744
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: It seems so flukey's mostly fumbles and stuff, and that

745
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: just would be nice if you're a Saints fan for

746
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: some good news to be coming out of you know

747
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: that world. You know, I have some good news for you.

748
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: The little little Jordan Humphrey, one of our favorites in

749
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: the show six ft four actually correct, like Um showed

750
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: up played well. I mean, they're gonna need these guys

751
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: to to do it, and like little Jordan is is

752
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: my dude right now, I mean the one that could have,

753
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 1: they could They were just a quarter away from ending

754
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: the most storied streak in sports right now. The Ravens preseason,

755
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: there was only one interset Wait, how many interceptions? There was?

756
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: Only I was a couple of interceptions each had one.

757
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: How about this used to be little Jordan Humphrey. Can

758
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: we maybe I don't want to take away little because

759
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: I understand that he probably has a lot of connections

760
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: to it. There could be some personal connections to family

761
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: and everything, but maybe just for the rest of us,

762
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: because he is indeed six ft four. What is the

763
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: average height of an American male? What? Five eight? Five nine? No?

764
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: Five eleven? Perhaps eleven. Yeah, we've we've been skyrocketing disturb

765
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: average American male height five ft nine. That makes sense

766
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: to me, Greg, Where did you get your information from? What? Like?

767
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: Did you where did? That's always getting tired. So if

768
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 1: you just go like forty and under his age group,

769
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm not giving up on this. Why did you correct

770
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: us and then admit that it was just a guess?

771
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: I mean it was it's everything's a guest. Well, no,

772
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: that was Wait, so Dan, you're going to attempt to

773
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: change his name or ask him to change his name.

774
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: Is that where you were going to we can go, well,

775
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: I'll work on It'll workshop it because you could so

776
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: you could also call him not so little Jordan Humphrey. Okay,

777
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: I just perhaps he doesn't want you to workshop it.

778
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 1: But I guess it's also you. Jordan Humphrey is available

779
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: to come on the show. Maybe I'll run it by him.

780
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: Maybe it'll be good sport about it. Maybe he'll take

781
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: events to it. That's the way to do it. Yeah,

782
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: I'll put the ask out Erica. By the way, remember

783
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: I asked you to make the document whenever we have

784
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: a guest on the show, and then we have some

785
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: notes like whether we like the guests, whether we want

786
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: them back or um. Like Cam Wolfe was on the

787
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: show excellent guest, a hit and quick guests, we're gonna

788
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: want him back. We had somebody else on recently, Matt

789
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: Burrows excellent. Have you actually been keeping this document? I have.

790
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: But but the thing is is like we've only had

791
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: like one or two that are like on my no

792
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: flies my no fly list, you know what I mean.

793
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: I when I asked this, for us to build out

794
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: an actual document so we can go back to it

795
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: whenever it's like, oh there's uh the Seahawks are in

796
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: the news. Okay, let's get Sean Dugard like that guy

797
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: was great, right, So what I'm what I'm saying is

798
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: can you work on the dock because I kind of

799
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: get the feeling you've been kind of every time I

800
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: say that, you go, yeah, yeah, I got it updated. No,

801
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: I have a doc. Yeah, I can send it to you.

802
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: I mean I think it could be a shared one

803
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: that we could all. You could probably share it on

804
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: the screen, right you could share the dock right now. No,

805
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 1: it's on my other computer right now, so I can't.

806
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: That's like for the kids to google docs. Don't don't

807
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: transfer computers at all. When we were kids, when we

808
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: were going to school in the eighties and nineties, it

809
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: was like the old dog gate my homework type thing.

810
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: Now the kids say, oh, it's on my other laptop. Yeah.

811
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: Erica is like, this will take me three minutes to

812
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: make and then I'll put it back up. And no,

813
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: I actually I literally do have it somewhere. I want

814
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: to know who's on the no fly list, although I

815
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: do know at least one of the names, you know

816
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: the no fly list. I like that, Um, all right,

817
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: there you go. That's what's happening in week one of

818
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: the preseason. That's what mattered, unless there was something anybody

819
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: else had, like a lightning nugget they wanted to throw out.

820
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: And I think we're moving more into not mattering territory,

821
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: so maybe we just, you know, just because we missed

822
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: it timing wise, and we're not doing news, we're shot.

823
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 1: Bateman being out the first three weeks of the season

824
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: is definitely matters for the Ravens. I should when I

825
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: was mentioned to keep winning the preseason games. Then it's

826
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: not an issue for anyone in general, and there are

827
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: exceptions to the rule. I guess Odell Beckham is a

828
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: perfect exception to the rule. He missed all of training

829
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: camp in the first month of his rookie season with

830
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: the Giants and then was a superstar upon impact. But

831
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: in general I always get very nervous any type of

832
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: skill player that misses summers with an injury or mrs.

833
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: The beuning of scenes very hard for these guys to

834
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: catch up, it seems like. And then the next summer

835
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: trope alert it's that same rookie entering a second year.

836
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: I finally have a chance to make an impact and

837
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: feel great, a chance to catch up. Yeah, I hope

838
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: that doesn't have with Bateman, but do you worry about that?

839
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: And the Ravens need Bateman to make an impact, so

840
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: that is that's a big story to track, all right,

841
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: also worth tracking our butts. You gotta be careful in

842
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: today's day and age. It's not you shouldn't be tracking

843
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: all butts. No, no, no, that's inappropriate, right. Worry about

844
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 1: your own butt. It's a good one thing to live by. Um,

845
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: be careful. I've got Courts of Thunder. You came up

846
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: with that name, Courts of Thunder. You know my tennis podcast,

847
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: it's been great. I mean it's this occasional on the big, big,

848
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: the big tournaments. We got the US Open coming up here.

849
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: But Mark had I think that we talked about that

850
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: on the podcast. Is not accurate? Not accurate. Well, you

851
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: can just take that out or beat it out. Absolutely

852
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: not accurate. There's no blog that existed of that nature,

853
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: not run by me and edit point here. All right.

854
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: So you worry about your own but that's important. But

855
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: in our capacity as a professional football analysts, we have

856
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: to worry about the butts of the thirty two NFL

857
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 1: head coaches more specifically. And I feel like it's important

858
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: to be more specific at this point in the conversation

859
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: on the segment, Uh, their job security, how hot is

860
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: their butt? And I don't mean that in you know,

861
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: what are the buns like or like when Marxi's Kevin Stefanski,

862
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: He's talking about it in a different context. I'm talking

863
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: about when you're sitting on a seat and the seat

864
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: is getting hot. Hot seat, hot butt, hot butt rankings

865
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: right now on the Round the NFL podcast. And by

866
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: the way, this is too hot for NFL dot Com.

867
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: I wrote this column in two thousand nine. And you

868
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: know how it works in our our little world. Typically,

869
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: if you write something, then the budget comes back around

870
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: the next year and you find that you have all

871
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: these things lined up again for a new year. For

872
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: some reason, the hot butt rankings slipped off that list

873
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: of old zuser Simmons, Well, what was the explanation to

874
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: how are you giving one? It's it was too much

875
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 1: for the reader hot, but was too hot for dot com.

876
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: But right here on the Round the NFL podcast just

877
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: the perfect amount of heat. We can get away with

878
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: a lot more on this podcast. Just in general. I

879
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Oh yeah, I mean I've had like the

880
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: corrections you get on some of this stuff you attempt

881
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: to write. It's like, all right, I will be I'll

882
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: simply be writing for a nine year old audience in

883
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: the podcast, I can just say people are the average

884
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: heights five eleven and yeah, sometimes it slips through, sometimes

885
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't. Tall Greg, I really thought it was. Well,

886
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 1: when you're as short as me, it's like everything over

887
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: five nins the same. I never know who's taller not,

888
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: it's just like, oh, they're they're taller. I know. I

889
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: think the more issue with Craig that you've introduced it

890
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,959
Speaker 1: to Dan and I as like rock seller, you guys

891
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:57,439
Speaker 1: are wrong. It's actually five eleven, and it's just that's

892
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: the problem right there. Okay, alright, so we'll break it

893
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: down into categories here. Okay, So what what we're trying

894
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: to do is figure out which coach is ultimately the

895
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: goal here. And it's not something we celebrate, but it's

896
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: our job to figure out who's in the most danger

897
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: as a head coach and to be fired. Because every

898
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 1: Black Monday, as it's called the monday after the regular

899
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: season ends, uh and sometimes in the days and weeks

900
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: leading up to the final game of the season, and

901
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes in week six. Never last year. So anyway,

902
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: most things happened right after the season. But these things happen,

903
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: they could happen in the middle of the year. A

904
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: week or two later. I think Doug Peterson got popped. Um,

905
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks after the season ended. But anyway,

906
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: there are seven new coaches this year, so there's gonna

907
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: be turnover. There's no way to You can't just put

908
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: your head in the sand on this and be like,

909
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 1: oh no, we we everything's gonna work out. Every year

910
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: about four to eight coaches, we'll get dismissed and replaced. UM,

911
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: so let's start there. So there are seven new coaches

912
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: for the For the process of this exercise, we view

913
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: them as safe. I mean, it happens every now and then.

914
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: A coach is one and done. But in the case

915
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: of Arthur Smith with the Falcons, Dan Campbell with the Lions,

916
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: David Culley with the Texans, Urban Meyer with the Jaguars,

917
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 1: Brandon Staley with the Chargers, Robert Sala with the Jets,

918
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: Sala Sala, and Nick Sirianni with the Eagles, we kind

919
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: of keep him out of this situation. But I do

920
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: want to say this, boys, and you tell me what

921
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: you think. For some reason, Nick Sirianni, I get a

922
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: little worried about and Cully especially I worry how the

923
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: Texans view him organizationally, whether he's part of the future

924
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: just to handle this mess. I wonder if this is

925
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: a year where we get a one and done. I

926
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: think with Culley, the environment is so you know, volatile

927
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: that the outcomes it is unpredictable. I think though, you know,

928
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: the one thing I heard during the Eagles broadcast was

929
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: that Jason Kelsey really talked up Nick Sirianni. Now I

930
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: understand he's answer in a question to the media and

931
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: he's not gonna say something negative, but it kind of

932
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: threw me because a lot of the kind of clunky

933
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: press or stuff UM is in the rear view mirror

934
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 1: and it's not been the player's experience with him. So maybe,

935
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, first of all, I think the Eagles are

936
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: a little bit better than people realize, like roster wise,

937
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: especially on offense, and like, you know, maybe maybe it's

938
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: not a disaster. I'd be surprised that they bump him

939
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: after one year, because Lorie is pretty patient UM, and

940
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 1: I think they basically said we're in a new era,

941
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: which it's not a rebuild, but it's Sirianni is not

942
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: expected to win the Super Bowl this year. It's It's

943
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: tough to lose your job after one year. Almost never happens.

944
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: Chat Zynski was was one? Um, who's the last? If

945
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: it feels bad to speculate before they even you know, uh,

946
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: coach a game. The only way it does happen, I

947
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: think is if the entire front, like ownership blows up everything.

948
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: It could that happen in Houston or Philly, sure if

949
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 1: everything went crazy, but it would that those would Both

950
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: of those would would shock me. These guys do get

951
00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: for Ricky. Can you look up and I'm really put

952
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: you on the spot today, Ricky, And I'm sorry. I

953
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: know it was you had a fun weekend yourself. Um,

954
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: so I apologize. Can you find out who's the last coach?

955
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: Who is one and done? Um? In the NFL? Was

956
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: it Chip Kelly with the Niners? But Chance made two years?

957
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: I think now he marks right? It was one year?

958
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: I think. So well, let's see if that's indeed the

959
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: most recent guy. All right, So then, and you guys

960
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: you mentioned it, Greg. Now we're gonna talk about the

961
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: guys that feel safe, very safe. And this year, Greg,

962
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: it does feel like that that list is longer than

963
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: in past years. I I feel like half the league

964
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: is more than half the league. I only you know,

965
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 1: we put into tears and in the final two tiers,

966
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: which is like you're kind of interrupt, what are your

967
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: what are your names for it? It's like too hot

968
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: to touch close, you know, the final two spots where

969
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: I would say they're in a little bit of danger

970
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: here only added up to seven names for me and

971
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: only three in the total bottom tier. So to me,

972
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: I think the vast majority of the league has to

973
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: feel has to feel pretty good. And I'm just remembering

974
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 1: the Cardinals coach who got fired after one year. Steve

975
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: has helped us out with that. Steve Wilks was one

976
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: and done with the Cardinals. Steve Wilks also, according to

977
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: this site, the one and done club coaches since two thousand,

978
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly forty Niners was one, Mike uh yep, Tom

979
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: Seula forty Niners, Malarkey with the Jaguars, Hugh Jackson with

980
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: the Raiders, Jim Mora with the Seahawks, Cam Cameron with

981
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, Art Shell with the Raiders, Schottenheimer with the

982
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: uh with the Washington football team. You know, the ownership

983
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: hasn't changed with San Francisco, but it wasn't still long ago.

984
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 1: They were a mess. So I think they fired Chip

985
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: Kelly after one year and put on put in Tom Seula, right,

986
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: and he got one year and then they fired him

987
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: like that one hardcore unrest in an organization. And we

988
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: have a friend who's very tight with Tom Sula, who, uh,

989
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. I mean, it's it sucks to get

990
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: fired after one year and it's your dream job and

991
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: you hope to have it forever. But he had like

992
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: two or three years left on his contract and he

993
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,240
Speaker 1: just made a ton of money sitting on his butt.

994
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: The forty Niners are a very strange franchise in the

995
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: last thirty years. They're either like one of the best

996
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: teams in the league with Jim Harbaugh or a total nightmare.

997
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: Like so, Mark, for your guys that are safe, what's

998
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: your list, I'm just curious what your list is. I mean,

999
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: it's like talking totally safe. It's like eighteen nineteen people.

1000
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it starts with Bill Belichick. It's got the

1001
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: Andy Reid's, Sean Payton, Sean the Three Shawn's, Sean McDermott,

1002
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh, John Harbaugh, Frank Reich, Ron Rivera, Matt Rules,

1003
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski, Matt Lafleur, Brian Flores, Bruce Arians, John Gruden,

1004
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin, Called Shanahan, Mike Rabel, Joe Judge, m I

1005
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: I have some major disagreements there. Interesting one one would

1006
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: be I have Joe Judge in my second to last category,

1007
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: have to maybe he should be if if the if

1008
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 1: the season goes really wrong category. Now that I'm thinking

1009
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: about it, I'm gonna him. But isn't that bad that

1010
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: uh that's the um well, I'm looking at it like

1011
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: if if a three win season happened, which which guys

1012
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: could be a surprise, and to me, Joe Judge, you

1013
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: could throw them into that mix because the Giants act

1014
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: like they're um all about continuity and classy and stuff,

1015
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: but no one's gone through coaches faster than them really

1016
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: over the last uh you know, six years, you know

1017
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: with Macadoo, and it's it hasn't been it hasn't been

1018
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: great and and just because of drama could happen, I

1019
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: would at least put him, if I'm gonna put him

1020
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: in the middle category, at least if something went really wrong,

1021
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: and I I would maybe even throw like Rule and

1022
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: Tomlin in that one too. If things went crazy? Rule

1023
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: has a ten year contract? Does he ten years? Also?

1024
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that. I thought it was

1025
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: some extensively long it was a huge contract. Hold on,

1026
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: that's it, so Greg so seven are you're right? That's

1027
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,720
Speaker 1: that's crazy movies. You should be saved, should be safe.

1028
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: And then we have first degree, second degree and third

1029
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: degree burns. So I have um Joe Judge in first

1030
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: degree as well. No, you have moments in the second

1031
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: agree you're saying, But I have him. Yeah, I thought

1032
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 1: about it, Jason Garrett, I would put in fifth degree

1033
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: right now. He might not make it through the regular season.

1034
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: You could see him being kind of a sacrificial lamb um.

1035
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: But that's not the same as the hot coffer at

1036
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: the head coach. Did I call him the hot coach? Well,

1037
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: here's the thing I know, Like, for instance, Peter Schreeger,

1038
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,760
Speaker 1: who's plugged in with a lot of teams. I remember

1039
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: Schreeger talking late last season how much the Giants love

1040
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: Joe Judge in turns, that's what I just said. I

1041
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: mean the ownership cloth over Joe. So I just think

1042
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 1: i'd be a hard right turn. But I guess my.

1043
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 1: My thoughts on it are they had an unsuccessful season

1044
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: last year and if they struggled again badly this year,

1045
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: and something I think I talked about on the podcast

1046
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: last week. Uh maybe it was the network show. Just

1047
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 1: the idea of his style of coaching. If he starts

1048
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: to rub guys the wrong way, um, and you in

1049
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: that media market where people start chirping and you have

1050
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: some unnamed sources and that becomes a sinking ship. With

1051
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 1: the Giants after two years with a GM, they're probably

1052
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: gonna get rid of. If it's a bad season with

1053
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: a quarterback, they're gonna dump. Would they end up going

1054
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: down the route of let's reboot the machine? And I

1055
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: think Judge is vulnerable in that state. So that's why

1056
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: I kind of keep him out of the safe territory

1057
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: because he's in a little bit more of a volatile situation.

1058
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,479
Speaker 1: My other first degree guys, Um, I have Fangio there

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00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: and I just I don't know, just because the Broncos

1060
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 1: obviously it's an important year for them and their ex

1061
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,959
Speaker 1: even oh there's quarterback situation, there's a lot of question marks.

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00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: I think there's expectations there and how many years has

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00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: he been there now is this is this is his

1064
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: third his third year. I mean, if you not, a

1065
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: lot of coaches UH last three years without making the playoffs.

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00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: So I think it's an important year for him, and

1067
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: I think their playoff chances are coin flip at best.

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00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: Um I had. I know this is crazy, but I

1069
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: did have John Gruden first degree. Not that I don't

1070
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: think it would happen, but I know the Raider and

1071
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: it's not Al Davis anymore. It's his son, and it's

1072
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: a less temperamental world. But if the season really went bad,

1073
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: and I don't know about this Raiders team of the

1074
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: season really went off the rails and things were going

1075
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: really poorly, could John Gruden at least be a discussed

1076
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: And then my last name I had in first degree

1077
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: was Pete Carroll. Um for all the reasons we've talked

1078
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: about this summer that if if things go sideways with

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00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson again and the organization has to decide between

1080
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,280
Speaker 1: the thirty two year old superstar quarterback and then early

1081
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: seventy year old head coach, uh, it makes sense who

1082
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 1: wins that battle. We were very similar and on that sense,

1083
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: I had Pete Carroll and we're talking at things when

1084
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: absolutely nightmarish and you know, Wilson's out the door or

1085
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: something like that. I had fonio. UM. I put Mike

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00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 1: Zimmer in there just because I don't know, um, if

1087
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: if it were an absolute disaster, maybe they finally move

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00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: on there. And I put Mike McCarthy because I understand that,

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00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: you know, we've got our great ball coach and all

1090
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: this other business. But if they go if they had

1091
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: a horrific season in the NFC East and you've got

1092
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones thinking this is what I think this team

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00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,879
Speaker 1: is and Mike McCarthy delivers like a steaming egg, um,

1094
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: I could see them making a change the steaming egg.

1095
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: That's gross. I'm with you, I am. I really wrestled

1096
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: with McCarthy um, and I ended up putting him in

1097
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 1: second degree. Him here Zimmer as well, just because Zimmer's

1098
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: he's been there a long time and they have a

1099
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 1: lot of issues there. Um. And then I have Cliff

1100
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury in a second degree as well. Yep, that's

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00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: that's my exact second degree as well. I have McCarthy Zimmer.

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00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: I think I think they probably need to have winning records,

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00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, need to have things go well, and Cliff

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00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: Kingsbury's maybe in that same category, uh, whereas it basically

1105
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: his offense needs to be good. If they went eight

1106
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: and nine or nine and eight and like Kyler plays well,

1107
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: I think he'd be okay. Um, he's an offensive coach.

1108
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: The one big disagreement I have I had your exact

1109
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 1: same third degree, Dan, though, is I have Fangio in

1110
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: in uh your butts on fire? Um third degree. I

1111
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: just think he's in a winner else year. There's a

1112
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: new GM there. I love Fangio. I think if his

1113
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: defense shows up and he's a top five defense and

1114
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,919
Speaker 1: they're a good team, he'll be fine. But I think

1115
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: he is close to as much of a win or

1116
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: else mandate as any coach in the league. John Elway

1117
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: is basically out of the building. He's the guy who's

1118
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 1: hired Fangio. By by our reports on NFL network, Elway's

1119
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 1: job is essentially ceremonial. And there's there's new ownership, which

1120
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: is coming one of the messiest stories in the NFL,

1121
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: one of I think probably right up there um for

1122
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: the league with Deshaun Watson. UM. I think the Broncos

1123
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: ownership situation might be like the story number one that

1124
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: is on the League offices radar right now in terms

1125
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: of being a problem for the NFL, So that could

1126
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: be changing. You have a new GM and you're in

1127
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: your third year, so you're right. Coaches almost never get

1128
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: a fourth year unless they make the playoffs. So I

1129
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: think Fangio, I love them. I think they'll be good,

1130
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: but if they don't win, I would expect him to

1131
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: lose it. Third degree burns do we We're all in

1132
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: agreement here, Naggie and Zach Taylor it right, It seemed

1133
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: like an easy those that was my list was Taylor,

1134
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: Naggie in Fangia. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. The reason I

1135
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: had Naggie and Taylor it just they just seem in

1136
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: a whole other place where they are, you know, they

1137
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: need results. I guess Fagio it does. Two. It just

1138
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: feels like a little bit more of a desperation situation

1139
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: with Taylor, who over two years, nobody really knows what

1140
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,959
Speaker 1: to make of them, And if they have a bad

1141
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: year and the borrow doesn't progress, it makes all the

1142
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: sense in the world actually to kind of hit refresh

1143
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: on that organization and Naggy we talked about this forever,

1144
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: so there's no real reason to dig into deep. The

1145
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: only way Naggie's job is saved is if Justin Fields

1146
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: I think, has a big time rookie season. Otherwise you

1147
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: would think the Bears are going to move on. But

1148
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: then again, they've been very patient with Naggie over the

1149
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: past couple of years, and I think if things went

1150
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: let's say Fields was, you could see it, but the

1151
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: coaching staff wasn't able to deliver it. Sometimes like the

1152
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: new quarterback buys new life for the GM and for

1153
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: the coaching staff, but it could be the opposite. If

1154
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: someone somewhere in Chicago. I don't think their ownership seems

1155
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: to involved to me on some level kind of hands off,

1156
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: but they were like, wait a minute, we have this

1157
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: precious jewel. We've got the wrong people surrounding them. Blow

1158
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: the whole thing up, right. I mean, if you think

1159
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: about that last draft class um with you know, with

1160
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 1: with Lamar. Obviously Harbaugh was fine, but like Donald, a

1161
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: couple of coaches, Baker a couple of coaches like it. Yeah,

1162
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: the the new you know, Josh Rosen got you know,

1163
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: as part of getting his coach fired, like the new

1164
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: quarterback doesn't necessarily keep your job there you go. So, yeah,

1165
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: this is it does feel like a time of um

1166
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: relative come. But we named it like for me anyway,

1167
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: I have nine coaches that are at some level of

1168
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: danger and you know, the only thing that could happen

1169
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: because you know who knows, but like the only thing

1170
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: I could happen some of those coaches we label is safe.

1171
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: Something could change, whether there's things we don't know going

1172
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: on behind the scenes with power struggles, or maybe a

1173
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: season really goes off the rails and you know there's

1174
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: some again, something bad happens in a in a meeting

1175
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: between the bosses. It's like things can change, But it

1176
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: just does feel like a time where there's so many

1177
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: guys that are really anchored with the organization UM and

1178
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,479
Speaker 1: then even guys like Hi Matt Rule coming off so

1179
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: so first season, but his job security is built into

1180
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: his contract. Same thing with John Gruden. Uh, he's entering

1181
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: I believe, year four of a ten year deal. So

1182
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: do the Raiders, even if they are not really even

1183
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: if they have buyer's remorse at the end of this year,

1184
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: are they going to swallow the pill of paying a

1185
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: guy for six years on top of paying a new

1186
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: coach of salary and those things coming to play as well.

1187
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: I take back what I said about Rule. That was wrong.

1188
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: I forgot about this the seven years thing. I was

1189
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: just thinking seven years. I was just thinking if it

1190
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: went really south and temperts and that, what are we

1191
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: doing here? What Matt Rule is? First of all, Matt Rule.

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01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: Like most people a year ago thought the Panthers are

1193
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: gonna win one game in the league. He did a

1194
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: good job. I'm not saying this is where and he's

1195
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: gonna learn this if you know, Donald needs to work

1196
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: because if he didn't, that's back to back years. He

1197
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: went out of his way to give two year commitments

1198
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: to quarterbacks that don't work, and that that is a

1199
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 1: tough way to start your coaching career. But the the

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01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: seven year deal should save them. They also like look

1201
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 1: at like they had a chance. They could have gone

1202
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: and got justin fields. It could have pursued a rookie,

1203
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 1: and they pursued Sam Donald. I think that kind of thing,

1204
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: optics wise, could create a huge mess. We shall see

1205
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: good stuff good another big another big week for around

1206
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: the NFL. We'll be back on Thursday with another podcast.

1207
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Speaker 1: The Television show Wednesday airing this week Wednesday on Wednesday?

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Speaker 1: How about that Wednesday on NFL Network, the Around the

1209
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Speaker 1: NFL broadcast. We heard from a shadowy league figure that

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Speaker 1: our telecast that aired ahead of the preseason kickoff between

1211
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Speaker 1: the Washington football team and Patriots on Thursday did a

1212
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Speaker 1: nice number. That's well, I mean the radians have been

1213
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Speaker 1: to the roof. I mean, it's find it to some degree.

1214
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Speaker 1: We're carrying the network through this busy month. If you

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Speaker 1: wanted to look at it. I'm not joke it did.

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01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: I heard the number television. That's that's a bit right.

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Speaker 1: I am hearing other what other things that were? I mean, yeah,

1218
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: put us on, put us on the primetime dad, you

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01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: know six, put us on six six to seven pm

1220
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: Eastern before a game. This is where this show belongs.

1221
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: We need more, more of it. Please, maybe we should

1222
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: take these comments actually to a shadowy league figure. Let's

1223
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: just passive aggressively mentioned in the podcast minute nine, what

1224
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: a career we are carving out all right, good stuff.

1225
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: Thank you too, Ricky for doing all that work today.

1226
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: And she's working. She's scrambling on her own dossier now,

1227
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 1: building out that guest template. I really I'm happy about that,

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Speaker 1: and I'm proud to have you with us. Dan is

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01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:55,919
Speaker 1: like the coaches, like she's really going to tune out

1230
01:02:55,960 --> 01:03:01,919
Speaker 1: now if we keep pushing her. Yeah, thank you, Dan.

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Speaker 1: That was really that. We're just like looking forward to

1232
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,919
Speaker 1: the very genuine if nothing else. Yeah, exactly. It felt

1233
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: so heartfelt and really really great. Great, well, okay, back

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Speaker 1: to it, Rank, thank you, and we'll be back at

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01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: it again on Wednesday on the television on Thursday in

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Speaker 1: your Ears podcast style. Until then, he's a call M. S.