1 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: Sound the alarm. Donovan Mitchell on the move to the Calves. 2 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: We got ourselves a tray, Yes we do, and we 3 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: gotta get into the Classic Factory for task trade JD 4 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 1: with you here. We didn't think of the calves. 5 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: They came out of nowhere. Honestly, when I saw I 6 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: got a text message from Art Hamilton about this. Okay, 7 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 2: I saw the tweet, I was like, this has gotta 8 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: be fake. The Calves. Donovan Mitchell is going to the Calves. 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 2: Click through It's legit. Put on a shirt. I was 10 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: wearing a tank top playing tennis earlier today. I know 11 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 2: I smell terrible. I wasn't expecting to see people right now. 12 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: Good. 13 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 2: Well, at least we got a little distance between us, 14 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: so I'm not wafting too hard. 15 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: Man. 16 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: What a shocker. Donovan Mitchell going to the Cleveland Cavaliers. 17 00:00:58,960 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it. 18 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it when I saw it, but it 19 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: makes sense now that after looking at it for a 20 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: few minutes, I'm glad I was still here in the 21 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: Classic Factory. So I'm hanging out reading about Donovan Mitchell 22 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: to my favorite team of last year for a package 23 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:22,199 Speaker 1: that includes guard Collin Sexton, Lowry Marketen, a big plays 24 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: small sometimes O Chaiabaji, three first round picks that are 25 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: unprotected from the Cleveland Cavaliers and two pick swaps for 26 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell if you like knowing where those picks are 27 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: twenty five, twenty seven, and twenty nine unprotected. Going to 28 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: the Utah Jazz with three players Colln Sexton, Lowry Markinen, 29 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: and O Chaiabaji, who was drafted this year number fourteen 30 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: from Kansas. What are your thoughts about the Cleveland Cavaliers 31 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: side first tray because they were a solid team last year. 32 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: They finished forty four and thirty eight, ended in the 33 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: eighth seed after being really good most of the year. 34 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: There were fourteen games above five hundred at thirty five 35 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: and twenty one, and then injuries got them finished at eighth. 36 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: They didn't give up one of their all stars and 37 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: Darius Galland or Jared Allen. What are your thoughts. 38 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: Man to be able to bring in another All Star 39 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: in Donovan Mitchell, three time All Star still only twenty 40 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 2: six years old. Yes, this is awesome for the Cabs. 41 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 2: They definitely gave up a lot in draft compensation down 42 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: the road. I don't think they gave up a ton 43 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 2: of players. Larry Markinen had a decent season for them, 44 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: played a little bit better than I thought he was 45 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 2: going to he did last year. But a player that 46 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 2: you would certainly throw into a trade for a Donovan Mitchell. 47 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: Collin Sexton got hurt during last year. It was kind 48 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 2: of curious why they hadn't signed him this deep into 49 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: the summer. I guess this is why. But another player 50 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: who is easily replaced if Mitchell's the guy coming back, 51 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: and an older draft pick in Mgbogie who maybe has 52 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: some potential, but another tradable piece to bring in an 53 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 2: All Star already in Donovan Mitchell, to pair with your 54 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: All Star Darius Garland, your other All Star Jared Allen, 55 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,679 Speaker 2: and your future All Star Evan Mobley. They've got four 56 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,119 Speaker 2: All Stars basically right. All twenty six are younger, all 57 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: locked up for a while. They've got an awesome backcourt 58 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: with Garland and Mitchell. They've got an awesome front court 59 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 2: with Mobley and Allen. There are definitely questions. I think 60 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 2: on the wing, maybe Ricky Rubio will be able to 61 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 2: help out there once he comes back from injury. Kris 62 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 2: Lavert I think will get a shot, they will want 63 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: to look at some other guys. But I think the 64 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: Calves got a lot better here. Last year they were 65 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 2: in that four to eight range, just like the Bulls were, 66 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 2: just like the Raptors, the Hawks, the Nets for whatever reason, 67 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 2: we're down there last year. I think the Calves have 68 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 2: taken a serious step up. I think there's still probably 69 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,119 Speaker 2: a tier below the best teams in the Eastern Conference, 70 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: but this makes them a lot better going into next 71 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: year and getting all for these players together, young with 72 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: a chance to grow, They're gonna be good next year 73 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: and they're gonna be even better coming to the future. 74 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're in that second tier, right behind 75 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: the the Milwaukee Boston occupies that first tier. I think 76 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: those are fair to say those first the two teams 77 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: in the first tier, and then that second tier for 78 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: me now include the Calves. I kind of had them 79 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: up there for much of the year last year and 80 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,119 Speaker 1: then they sort of fell off. But the second tier 81 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: is Philadelphia, Miami, and I think it's Cleveland. Unfortunately, I 82 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: think the Bulls are plopped into tier number. 83 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: Eight much this summer. 84 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: No, and they weren't. They didn't finish incredibly well. I 85 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: think they're in that third tier with Toronto as you mentioned, 86 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: and with Atlanta Brooklyn and not even gonna mention at 87 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: this point, he knows they could easily be in that 88 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: second tier as well, but the third tier is probably 89 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: safe to put them alongside Chicago, Atlanta, Toronto. But I 90 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,799 Speaker 1: think Cleveland is better because of that crazy backcourt. Now 91 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: with Donovan Mitchell and Darius Garland, will they be able 92 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: to work together? The answer is one hundred percent yes, 93 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: because last year I went into the regular season thinking 94 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: this Calves team could be a sneaky playoff team because 95 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: Colin Sexton and Darius Garland can worry about offense because 96 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: they've got the guys you said, Mobley and Allen, and 97 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: then Isaac Accorro's their Junkyard dog as their number three 98 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: because he wore that big Junkyard dog chain and because 99 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: he does Junkyard things. So they can worry about defense really, 100 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: and Mitchell and Sexton can worry about the offense. I'm sorry, 101 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: now Mitchell and Garland now can worry about the offense. 102 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: Garland is perfect. I think alongside of Mitchell, he can 103 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: He can allow Mitchell to do his thing while still 104 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,559 Speaker 1: getting his Garland is super young at twenty two, Jared 105 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: Allen's twenty four, and yes soon to be twenty six 106 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: year old Donovan Mitchell joining them along with twenty one 107 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: year old Evan Mobley. Do you think they gave up 108 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: too much with three unprotected picks and then the players 109 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: as we've said, you know, the guard in Sexton, big 110 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: and Market and the wing in Abaji. 111 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 2: I'm not really worried about giving up any of the 112 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: players they did. I think this is a good use 113 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 2: of a contract like Sexton's once you went down for 114 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: the season last year. It didn't look like it at 115 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 2: the time, but it definitely had a huge effect on 116 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 2: the Cavs. So being able to replace him with a 117 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 2: better version of him in Donovan Mitchell I think is huge. 118 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: Marknon had his moments with the Calves, certainly, but definitely 119 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 2: a replaceable player. It's all about the draft compensation, but 120 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 2: at the very least the Calves did a smart thing. 121 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 2: Shout out to Tom Haberstrow for noting this. The Calves 122 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: kept their twenty twenty four first round draft pick. When 123 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 2: a certain Brownie James will become draft eligible in the future, 124 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 2: knows what's gonna happen, but at least they did hold 125 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: on to that little bit, that little nugget of hope 126 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: for the future. I think the fact that Mitchell is 127 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: a young player as well, who we've already seen have 128 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 2: NBA success and some postseason success as well, that to 129 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 2: me makes it okay to give up these picks. Down 130 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 2: the line. Surely one of those picks is gonna be 131 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 2: juicier than the Caves are thinking it is right now. 132 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: That's just how things happen in the NBA. But I 133 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 2: think it's worth giving up that kind of draft compensation 134 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: to build your team and say, hey, we got a 135 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 2: core here. We're going forward with this core, and we 136 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 2: think they can really grow together. 137 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: Every trade that happens this offseason gets compared to the 138 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: Rudy Gobert trade, and so this one doesn't look bad 139 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: at all, not at all. Three picks versus four, and 140 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: the Rudy Gobert trade people say it was five because 141 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: you know there was a pick swap and there was 142 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: Walker Kessler as well, who is a first round pick 143 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: this year. You can look at this and say four 144 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: picks for the Utah Jazz because they're getting no Chai 145 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: a Bogie and they're getting three unprotected first round picks. Yeah, 146 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: like you said, sometimes those picks end up being a 147 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: lot worse better however, you look at it from the 148 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: cast perspective in the long run. But these guys are 149 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: so steady on this Cavs team, like they're gonna have 150 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: a good defense. 151 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 2: I mean, yes, look, they're gonna be good hopefully. Yeah. 152 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 2: We've seen one great season of Cleveland Cavaliers, and honestly, 153 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 2: it was more like two thirds of a great season 154 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 2: and they kind of fall off as injuries came. Yeah, 155 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 2: you have to think they're gonna gel together. You have 156 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 2: to assume they're gonna play well together, because, like you're saying, 157 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: a Garland and Mitchell backcourt isn't super different than a 158 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 2: Garland Sexton backcourt from since a general build of a team, 159 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: and Mitchell's obviously a better player than Sexton, so they 160 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: should be able to work there. Maybe an injury gets 161 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: picked up at some point during the twenty twenty seven 162 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: season and suddenly that pick is looking fine. But that's 163 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: okay to me because Cleveland is on the way up. 164 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: They see that they're on the way up and that 165 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: they are able to have a core together and I 166 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: think the consistency and the continuity they'll be able to 167 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 2: build over the course of time will be worth maybe 168 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: losing one of these picks that they lose some time 169 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 2: in the future. 170 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: And I'll say the Cavs last year dealt with injuries 171 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: really really, really really well. And I don't have mangames 172 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: dot Com in front of me here, but they lost 173 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: a ton of man games. They were able to handle 174 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: Ricky Rubio's injury, Calling Sexon's injury, Jared Allen went down, 175 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: Evan Mobley went down, everybody went down, and they were 176 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 1: still able to finish forty four and thirty eight in 177 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference. Steady is the word that keeps coming 178 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: back to me watching this team, because Mobile and Allen's 179 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: defense is going to be there every stinking night. Those 180 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: guys operate, you know, this sort of differently than most 181 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: defenses in the NBA, Like they can track everywhere within 182 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: the three point line. They're gonna be damn good. And 183 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: I know people will look at Donovan Mitchell and call them, 184 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: you know, a powder or whatever because of the way 185 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: things added get. He's been part of really good defenses. 186 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: Not to bring up the whole defense thing, I think 187 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: that side of the ball they're gonna be great. They're 188 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: just gonna be great on defense, and then the offense, 189 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: it's gonna be taken care of by that backcourt with 190 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell and a great, great young guard in Darius Garland. 191 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: I don't think they're really gonna get in each other's way. 192 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: They're already tweeting Trey Darius Garland has tweeted ten and 193 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: spider the spider emoji. I guess he wears ten, Is 194 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: that right? Yeah? I mean I forget numbers. And then 195 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell has already retweeted with a double exclamation point. Okay, 196 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: so those guys are on point together. I think they 197 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: should be excited to play with one another. I'm surprised 198 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: we didn't see this coming as basketball geeks, because, as 199 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: we said, sex In is a Donovan Mitchell light. 200 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 2: He is a similar player. He's a similar four first 201 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: smaller guard. 202 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: Yes, uh and and the Jazz were the top defense 203 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: in the league a few years ago. So everybody ridiculing 204 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell for not for being sort of a barn door. 205 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 2: What's not traffic cone. 206 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: I wasn't a traffic cone like a you know, it's 207 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: like a saloon door, like. 208 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 2: A saloon doors, fair like flapping in the breeze, turnstyle, turnstile. Sure, 209 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 2: it was all of those things. He can be, all 210 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 2: of those things. 211 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: He can try, he can try, and he's and he's 212 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: done on. 213 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 2: A lot of good defenses. Like you're saying, but that's 214 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 2: with Rudy Gobert behind you. That being said, he's got 215 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 2: the American Rudy Gobert and Jared Allen behind him, also 216 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 2: Evan Mobley. It is going to be a big ask, 217 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 2: I think for both of those guys, because Mitchell and Garland, 218 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 2: they're gonna get torched at times, There's no doubt about it. 219 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 2: They're both smaller, they're both not necessarily lockdown defenders, and 220 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 2: like I said earlier, they've got no real established players 221 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 2: on the wing. Acorro is a good defender, but he 222 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: gives it all back offensively and he can't hurt your 223 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 2: offense on the outside. They'll be able to find a 224 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: wing at some point during their development, and I think 225 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 2: Mobile and Allen are good enough to be able to 226 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 2: cover for the backcourt. 227 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 1: I'm more of a coral believer than you are. He 228 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: he can take the team's best perimeter player on defense, 229 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: and then yeah, he can slash and do some things offensive. 230 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 2: I honestly just came up with a great nickname for 231 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 2: Isaac Coro this very second. Okay, Isaac no scoo oh, 232 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 2: get out of here. He locks him down on defense, No, 233 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: But then on offense he's not scoring either. He does 234 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 2: a little bit on a score out put it on 235 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 2: Basketball Reference. If no, If Colin Sexton is a domind 236 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 2: Mitchell light, which is nice of us to call him that, 237 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 2: then o Chaiyabaji, who they traded in this deal to Utah, 238 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 2: is an Isaaca Corro light. You know, doesn't have as 239 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: much offense as Isaac Corrow, but you know is a 240 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 2: known as sort of a defender wing. Anyway, I believe, 241 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 2: I believe in that and that front court, if you 242 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 2: want to call him Isaac Corrol is part of the 243 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 2: front court. That defensive tenacity of him, Alan and Mobili 244 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 2: is gonna get you a lot of freaking wins. To me, 245 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 2: and that's why they're in that second tier. He can 246 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 2: still be The real criticism I have for Cleveland is 247 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 2: that this is the end of sex Land, the death 248 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 2: of the sex Land backcourt. I mean maybe we'll have 249 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 2: to get Lee in here. He can raise his shirt 250 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 2: to the rafters or something like that. I'm sure they'll 251 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 2: come up with a cool nickname for Donovan Mitchell and 252 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 2: Darius Garland, though Yesland doesn't doesn't quite have the same 253 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 2: ring to it. 254 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 1: You want to have sex in there, but then it's 255 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: really just. 256 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 2: Hey, you're the one who subscribes to mangames dot com. 257 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: I've got a membership. It's no Leman Party dot org anyway. 258 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, the just again to salivate over this, the 259 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: new Cleveland Cavaliers. It's twenty two year old Darius Garland 260 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: soon to be twenty six year old Donovan Mitchell in 261 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: the backcourt Isaucacoro. Don't have his age in front of me, 262 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: but a great small for it, alongside Allen twenty four 263 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: one time All Star and Evan Mobley, the twenty one 264 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: year old Rookie of the Year runner up from last year, 265 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: with guys like Ricky Rubio and Kevin Love still coming 266 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: off there. 267 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 2: Kevin Love, Yeah, exactly right, that's a that's a that's 268 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 2: a weird one. I guess he'll still be around as 269 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 2: the VET. He's stuck around long enough for Cleveland to 270 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: get good again. That's pretty awesome. Actually, Yeah, and the ceiling. 271 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: I know we're putting them in the second tier, but 272 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: I maybe I'm just riding high because of this this 273 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: recent little recency bias here, but I think they could 274 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: be in that first year not too long For me. 275 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: My tiers are a little different than yours. I mean, 276 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 2: obviously you got Milwaukee and Boston right at t Yes, 277 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 2: Miami finished first in the Eastern Conference last year. They're ahead, 278 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 2: Philadelphia is ahead of the Cleveland Cavaliy. Yes, we're not 279 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 2: sure about Brooklyn. That's the great unknown in the Eastern 280 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 2: Conference right now. But I think four through eight they're 281 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 2: certainly going to be in there. They got better this year. 282 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 2: The Hawks got better in a kind of similar way, 283 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 2: Like it's gonna be interesting to see Trey Young and 284 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 2: de Jonte Murray. 285 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: They're retweeting their tweets well. 286 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 2: So, I mean, that's got to be a cool little 287 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 2: rivalry to see Cleveland versus Atlanta. You know, we're going 288 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: to be going down to the Fortress for those ones. 289 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, but the Calves are better than them, and. 290 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 2: I well, I mean probably I think they are probably 291 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 2: as well, So I would think the Calves and the 292 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: Hawks are a little bit better honestly than both the 293 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 2: Hawks and the Bulls this year going forward. But as 294 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 2: for why we didn't expect the Calves, it's because they're 295 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 2: so young. They were a little bit ahead of schedule, 296 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 2: I thought last year with Garland taking a huge step forward. Yeah, 297 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 2: Mobiley looking ready to be an all defensive candidate as 298 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: a rookie was pretty surprising. And to see him gelling 299 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 2: alongside another seven footer and Jared Allen, nobody really expected that. 300 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 2: It was kind of like Gravy last year. To see 301 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: them have those improvements and also be a really good team. 302 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: So for them to push all in like this is 303 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: a little surprising, but I think it's a great move 304 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 2: for Cleveland going forward. 305 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's if you believe in Cleveland. It's really it's 306 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: how much stock do you put into last year's forty 307 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: four and thirty eight record, which, again mangames dot Com 308 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: really did hurt them, but they were able to battle 309 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: through that. So I think they were a far better 310 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: team than forty four wins, especially when you're talking about 311 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: you know, a rookie Mobley, a thirty year player, and 312 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: Darius Garland guys that are only going to get better here. 313 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: And when you look at the Eastern Conference, yes, the 314 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: Heat were the number one ranked team, but one through 315 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: four it was fifty three through fifty one wins. The 316 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: Heat won the Eastern Conference with fifty three wins. The Celtics, Bucks, 317 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: and Sixers all had fifty one wins. So I you know, 318 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: I throw out that number of the Cavs winning forty 319 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: four games. This could be a fifty win team next season, 320 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: and so a great step for them. On the other side, 321 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: the Utah Jazz are deciding, yeah, we're tearing this thing down. Hey, Spurs, 322 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: you want when Yama so do we? It's torn, I 323 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: will say. Colin Sexton. As part of this transaction, shamp 324 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: Seroni reporting that he signed a four year, seventy two 325 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: million dollars deal. He was a restricted free agent with 326 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: the Calves and nothing was happening with him. As you said, 327 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: maybe this was the reason they were waiting for a 328 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: team that wanted to trade for him. They get a 329 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: Mitchell Light for four years. They've got Lowry Markinen, They've 330 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: got a rook and a Baji. They've obviously got a 331 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: lot of picks and a note here from Adrian wojin Rowski. 332 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: They also have thirteen unprotected or lightly protected first round picks. 333 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 2: It's a lot of picks. 334 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: It's a Danny Ainge situation, right, and then let me 335 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: throw in this thing, So, who the hell are they playing? 336 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: They still have Mike Conley, they still have boy On 337 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: Bogdanovic and Jordan Clarkson, and so what are they doing that? 338 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: It seems like what's going on in you? It seems 339 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: like they sure will be tearing that part of their 340 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: roster down to go for Victor wooman Yama and try 341 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: and get as much of the out of those picks 342 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: their own picks as possible. 343 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, absolutely, I would have to imagine Bogdanovic and 344 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 2: Conley will Danny'll be taking a lot of calls on 345 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 2: those guys in the coming weeks and months. I mean, 346 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 2: maybe they stick around at least until the start of 347 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 2: the season and the trades look a little bit better 348 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 2: at the trade deadline. But I can't imagine the Vets 349 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 2: finishing things out with the Jazz by the end of 350 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 2: the year. But I think the Jazz did a pretty 351 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,959 Speaker 2: nice job here, got a good package from the Cavs. 352 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: Who knows what you're gonna get from market In or 353 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: Sexton or even Taylor Horton Tucker who came back in 354 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 2: the Patrick. 355 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: Beverly j That's a great point for you. 356 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 2: They've got a lot of players who have had flashes, 357 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 2: who have shown some potential in the league and haven't 358 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 2: really established themselves. You know, like Sexton had an awesome 359 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 2: twenty point per game season for half of a season. 360 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 2: We saw like Laurie Markinen and will shoot six for 361 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 2: nine from three in one game and one from nine 362 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 2: from three to the next game. Thht he can score 363 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 2: twenty in the game, and it's going to be all 364 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 2: right handed layoffs. See ever gets a left hand, he'll 365 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: be unstoppable. There's a lot of potential and maybe these 366 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 2: guys thrive with no pressure there in Utah. I have 367 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 2: to imagine that that will be the plan going forward 368 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 2: to get these younger players a whole bunch of time. 369 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 2: It's just reclamation projects because they're not going to improve 370 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 2: the Jazz win total, which is the very important thing 371 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 2: because now they're going to be in the mix for win. 372 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 2: Ben Yama and Scoot Henderson, whose name is flying under 373 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 2: the radar a little bit here because we're all psyched 374 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 2: to be saying Victor wembin Yama. But that's the big thing. Yeah, 375 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 2: They've got thirteen lightly protected or unprotected picks and swaps 376 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 2: coming in the next few seasons. But the best draft 377 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 2: picks the Jazz are going to have are the Jazz 378 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 2: draft picks, because they're not going to be very good 379 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 2: for the next couple of seasons. So a quality tear 380 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 2: down from Danny Ainge, which, now that we've seen what 381 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 2: he's done this offseason, kind of feels like he was 382 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 2: brought there to tear down that past era of the 383 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 2: Jazz and build the next one. 384 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: Going forward, right, And it sort of makes sense after 385 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: we saw the Roan Barrett RJ. Barrett, Roan Barrett his 386 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: papa Man, I'm getting old. 387 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 2: The RJ. 388 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: Barrett extension in New York makes a little bit more 389 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: sense now that sure they weren't going to trade him. 390 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: They knew that something wasn't happening there With Donovan Mitchell, 391 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure Knicks fans are a furious right now that 392 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: they didn't get Donovan Mitchell. I will add this here. 393 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: Trey as our friend Hoop's Distillery tweeted the sexcellent nickname 394 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: already changed to Mobland next season or last season, I 395 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: should say it's not as good Mobland, Yeah, Mobiley and Garland. 396 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 2: I mean nobody calls him Evan Mobley, you know. I 397 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 2: would say that's the main hang up for me on 398 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 2: that nickname. 399 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: So the Jazz don't have, as you said, as you 400 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: kind of went through all those guys, they don't have 401 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: an All Star anymore. They have a lot of Conley 402 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: is technically technically but yeah, yeah, I like the idea 403 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: of not guy not calling a guy an All Star 404 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 1: who isn't going to be an All Star anymore. Kevin 405 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: multiple time All Star. I guess he is put on 406 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: the plaque. But they have a bunch of solid guys 407 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: that they can hope calling sexon what is his future? 408 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: Luber Market and Okabaji is not just because his name 409 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: starts with oh, but I think you probably want him 410 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: to be like an og and ob type guy, like 411 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: that type of player. The picks are really where it's 412 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: at for the Utah Jazz. But to get really bad 413 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: is the idea here and go from there and maybe 414 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 1: they can develop like your your tailing Horton, Tuckers and 415 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: Sexton now and marketing, but they want to be bad. 416 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: They got the twenty five, twenty seven, and twenty nine 417 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: pick again from the Cleveland Cavaliers and pick swaps in 418 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: twenty six and twenty eight. If the Caps happen to 419 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: be bad, the Jazz can say, I will like to 420 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: swap those picks one please, yeah, which you know sometimes happen, 421 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: sometimes don't. So it's really about if these picks end 422 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: up being good as to whether or not they got 423 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: enough for Donovan Mitchell. It looks fine now from their perspective, 424 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: and if it turns into a great draft pick, probably 425 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: their own this coming year, then it was probably worth it. 426 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: And that never factors into a trade. You didn't get 427 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: Victor Woman and Yama from this trade, but if you're 428 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: really really bad, you might get Victor Woman Yama, who 429 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: is the seven to three Frenchman. If you didn't know 430 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: that can ball. It seems like, uh, I don't know 431 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: what's this equivalent? I mean, is there one. I don't 432 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: want to go crazy. I don't want to. 433 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,479 Speaker 2: Oh, okay, never mind that, I was going to say 434 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 2: a seven foot five Kevin Durant. But I don't know, 435 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 2: I don't know who knows all I ever see is 436 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: clips where they're trying to figure out exactly how tall 437 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 2: this guy is, because nobody can believe that somebody as 438 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 2: tall as he is should move that well. But I 439 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 2: think it's pretty hilarious that as soon as there was 440 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 2: like a generational international big man prospect available, both the 441 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 2: Jazz and Spurs were like, we got to clear the decks. 442 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 2: We gotta go for this guy. The two teams you 443 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 2: would pick to do that would be the Jazz and Spurs. 444 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: That's a fair point. Yeah, anything crazy going on in 445 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: the stream team, you're not looking anymore. Nah, Nah, you're done. 446 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: Done with the stream team. 447 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 2: You know. I'm trying to stream it here on my phone. 448 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 2: I was too excited coming over. I didn't want to 449 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 2: go laptop here. I want to go fresh off the dome. 450 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 1: Yeah I should have too, because I just flubbed some stuff. 451 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: But anyway, Oh, they're calling. 452 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 2: They're calling Gabrielle here in the stream team is calling 453 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 2: Victor Wembin Yama, go bear with a handle, right, So 454 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 2: there you go. 455 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm seeing seven two seven three two point two meters. 456 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: As they say abroad, that's always fun. 457 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: People are saying, maybe now is the time that we 458 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 2: should be dunking on the Knicks a little bit since 459 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 2: they were pursuing Donovan Mitchell. But to me, their number 460 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 2: one target this entire offseason was Jalen Brunson, and they 461 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 2: got Jalen Brunson before free agency even started. So who knows, 462 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 2: you know, the Knicks, the Knicks fans are instantly already 463 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 2: turning on Mitchell like we didn't want them anyways, we 464 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 2: didn't need them anyways. 465 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: Lies, who knows? It's more exciting. 466 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 2: I think it's more exciting to have Donovan Mitchell on 467 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 2: the Cavs than it would have been to have him 468 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 2: on the Knicks. But that's just me. 469 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 1: Well, listen, I'm sure it's frustrating for a Knicks fan. 470 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: We just mentioned the tiers in the East. Are they 471 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: even in that third tier is a fair question. And 472 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: they're paying three players, you know, in about an average 473 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: of twenty seven million. When you get to RJ. Barrett's 474 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: contract of thirty per, Jalen Bron at twenty seven per 475 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 1: and Julius Randall at twenty three per, that's a lot 476 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: of your salary cap you're eating up for a junk 477 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: for a Tier three team. That's that's a fair question. 478 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: I don't think they're done this. Yes, it's it is unfortunate, 479 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: but you know, all those contracts and a vacuum all 480 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: sort of made sense at the time. They want to 481 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: get off Fourgnier's money, and that last year was the 482 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: year they screwed up. When they signed Fournier. They signed 483 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: a long term neuralans Noel deal as long term Alec 484 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: burk Steel. That's where they screwed up, not with the 485 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: three guys I mentioned. But I'm a believer in Gentleen Brudson. 486 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: I'm believe in both r j and Rowan Barrett. I 487 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 1: love both of those guys. And the Julius Randall thing. 488 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: Hopefully he can come around for them. But that's that's 489 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: the unfortunate thing for them. They wanted Donovan Mitchell, no 490 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: matter what Nicks man say, they wanted him. Oh, they 491 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: wanted him super bad. 492 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 2: It's taken batting practice with the New York Mets. Come on, 493 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 2: of course they wanted him. But I mean, when you're 494 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 2: listing it and you're listing all these teams like we're 495 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 2: talking about the Hawks made a major move. Yeah, the 496 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 2: Knicks did make a major move signing Jalen Brunson, there's 497 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 2: going to be disappointed teams in the Eastern Conference. Even 498 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 2: look at a team like Charlotte, who's basically held pat 499 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 2: this offseason. They've been at the very end of the 500 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 2: play in tournament for the past couple of seasons. You know, 501 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 2: they finished tenth, they go to the play in they 502 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 2: get beat by forty. They could be on the outside 503 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 2: looking in come playoff time, come play in time, and 504 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 2: I think that would be considered it a major step 505 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 2: back for Charlotte considering they want to be building around LaMelo. 506 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 2: So the East is going to be pretty tough once again. 507 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 2: We've had two straight seasons of fighting and clawing to 508 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 2: get into the play in tournament, keeping things entertaining throughout 509 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 2: the entirety of the season, and I think it's going 510 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 2: to be much the same this year. 511 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: Right and the Charlotte Hornets, they probably will take it 512 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 1: a step back. And speaking on a sort of in 513 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: a similar vein in the Western Conference, the Utah Jazz, 514 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: I think made a smart move to intentionally take a 515 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: step back. They had to tear it down, They had 516 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: to get worse. Because you think the East is tough, well, 517 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 1: the West is literally just as tough, and the Mitchell 518 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: Gobert relationship was worn out, and they basically did as 519 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: good as they possibly could in terms of draft picks. 520 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: Those draft picks have to turn into players at some point. 521 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: They do not have really one All Star on their 522 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: roster now other than Mike Conley, one All Star on 523 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: their roster for the future, and they just traded away 524 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: they're two All Stars. So you know, you can criticize 525 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: them for not having an All Star in return for 526 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: their two All Stars that they traded in Rudy Goberon 527 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell this offseason. I think that's a good point. 528 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 2: They definitely chose picks over players. 529 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: They chose the p over the p Anyway, I've been 530 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: in the factory a little too long. I'm done. 531 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 2: Swing the sledgehammers, what what else? You know? Loading the 532 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 2: conveyor belts. 533 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: Nice one, that was a really nice one. 534 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 2: Packing the boxes, nice shipping out those classics? 535 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, beautiful? All right, So we're done here, well done, 536 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: factory work officially a complete. We will be back next week. 537 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: I assume there will not be any trades before next week. 538 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 2: I don't know. Tassy Tony Jones is saying, now we 539 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 2: have to watch for the Jazz. 540 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: And the Lakers. 541 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 2: What's next? Was this the first of a couple of donnos? 542 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: Oh boy, yeah. 543 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 2: That's tough to how do you say Donovan? But also 544 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 2: Domino dominant, Don minos, Don Benoes. It's gonna be the 545 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 2: first of many don venoes fall going forward with the 546 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 2: Western Counts. 547 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: Why you're great, you try it, because that's a hard one. 548 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna try. Effort, very good effort, but yeah, 549 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: taking on the Westbrook contract, that's interesting, interesting, very interesting stuff. 550 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: We will be back next week with obviously no breaks. 551 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: We're going to a baseball game tomorrow and we'll recap 552 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: it on no bunts next week, starting a Tuesday. We'll 553 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: be back there with a no bunch and a no 554 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 1: breaks on Wednesday. And is this good? And of course 555 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: any crazy basketballings that happened, didn't expect this, did not 556 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: expect this the first dumb in Navidden and Mitchell's nos. 557 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: For now, Clipper bros. 558 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: You heard it here first, have a great time, turn up, 559 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 2: love you guys, awesome, thanks for joining us. And this 560 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 2: is a serious question and serious ask for all of 561 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 2: you people out there watching and listening. If you have 562 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 2: a vintage like punch clock that they would have at 563 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 2: a factory. It would be very cool to have one 564 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 2: here at the Classic Factory. 565 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: Just saying I'm going home for my man Ryan Sentences wedding, 566 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: and every time you say punch clocket, the one that 567 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: I used to work at Little Caesars. It was freaking 568 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: a long time ago, but they had a punch clock. 569 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: It's one of those things you don't take off the 570 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: wall like I think it's there, it's still there. I 571 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: think I could go in, break in and hammer it 572 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: off the wall with my baseball event get it. Yes, 573 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: only one way to find out I'm going all right, 574 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: We'll see you next week.