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Speaker 2: let's start with Chase of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and

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Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi,

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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after

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Speaker 3: day up. On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we

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Speaker 3: now know that our loved ones have survived physical debt,

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Speaker 3: and so will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 3: We have a busy episode for you today. Soon you're

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Speaker 3: going to meet a woman nicknamed the Flying Nun. She

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Speaker 3: is a fifth degree black belt in martial arts, a

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Speaker 3: death experience as a baby and then one later in life.

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Speaker 3: And this is all developed into her being an incredible

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Speaker 3: medium with a very rare gift called spirit art. So

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Speaker 3: she doesn't just give messages, but many times she draws

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Speaker 3: portraits of the loved ones she is seeing in spirit,

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Speaker 3: and they're great drawings. I'll tell you in a minute

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Speaker 3: how you can look at these pictures on a website

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Speaker 3: if you'd like while you listen to this episode, But

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Speaker 3: first I want to tell you a story that's been

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Speaker 3: in the news lately. It's about a man named Billy Gafa.

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Speaker 3: Billy isn't a mystic or a monk. In fact, he's

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Speaker 3: proves miracles can be built into our very bodies years

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Speaker 3: before we even know that we need them. It started

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Speaker 3: on an ordinary game day. Before Billy stepped onto the ice,

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Speaker 3: there on the ice. For sixteen minutes, Billy Garafa was

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Speaker 3: He said he felt the Holy Spirit leading him. He

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Speaker 3: She saw him drop in that moment of helplessness. She

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Speaker 3: in advance. So get this. One of Billy's teammates, a

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Speaker 3: and the miracles didn't stop there. When doctors examined Billy later,

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Speaker 3: Billy said, it's like God built this miracle into me

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Speaker 3: me to our guests to. Her name is Tammy Lee Anderson.

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Speaker 3: Tammy has done a lot in her life. She is

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Speaker 1: At seventeen I remembered. I had the experience of remembering

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Speaker 1: at the time. I've always been attracted to the quiet

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Speaker 1: But I experienced this third experience as like being in between.

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Speaker 1: This is kind of hard to explain, but I felt

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Speaker 1: We bring our light as souls, as light beings as well,

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Speaker 3: back with so much more. You're listening to Shades of

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Speaker 3: the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM

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Speaker 3: Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. We're here with medium Tammy Lee Anderson,

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Speaker 3: author of the book Into Love, A journey of near

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Speaker 3: being about some big questions, including the meaning of suffering.

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Speaker 3: Suffering can if we let it be an opening to

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Speaker 3: profound compassion and love. Let's continue with Tammy and find

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Speaker 3: out about some of the after effects with her near

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Speaker 3: death experience and also how mediumship is like martial arts.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that most people listening, if you look back

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Speaker 1: at the times that were the hardest in your life,

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Speaker 1: you know, when you're in it, it's not so easy.

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Speaker 1: But when you have the bird's eye view, Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: made me who I am. Yeah, they gave me a

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Speaker 1: depth I wouldn't have. That gave me a compassion I

446
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Speaker 1: wouldn't have otherwise. And I guess the best way I

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Speaker 1: can say is that our suffering is an opportunity for love,

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Speaker 1: greater life and growth, and an expansion of who we are.

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Speaker 1: Polishing in a sense, Yeah, I agree one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be here talking to you right now had

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Speaker 1: I not gone to the deepest, darkest time in my

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Speaker 1: dad past siblings, I thought and relationships fell apart. It

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Speaker 1: was rock bottom and no one who hasn't experienced grief,

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Speaker 1: I don't think really can share with somebody who's grieving. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: you're never in somebody else's shoes, but it gives us

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Speaker 1: that compassion and empathy. Yeah. I was in graduate school

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Speaker 1: and psychotherapy, and we had practical where you practice, you know,

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Speaker 1: being the client and being the therapist. And from sitting

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Speaker 1: with somebody who was in graduate school is a therapist

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Speaker 1: as well, she had never been in therapy, and I thought,

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Speaker 1: how in the world, if you haven't walked the walk yourself,

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Speaker 1: if you haven't been vulnerable enough to work on your

463
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Speaker 1: own stuff, how can you walk with somebody else and

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Speaker 1: their vulnerability are suffering offers us. It's challenging, and the

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Speaker 1: question always arises from me, Can I even love this?

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Speaker 1: Sometimes just know? But sometimes it's yes. I grow into

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Speaker 1: my yes and yes, can I even forgive this? No?

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Speaker 1: And then I grow into my yes? Can I forgive myself?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 4: I ask you some questions, Tammy.

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Speaker 3: First, I hear a lot of near death experiences from

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Speaker 3: all the people I've spoken to. Yeah, and they can't

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Speaker 3: put into words what that's feeling is, but they're these

474
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: after effects that people have heard of being in service

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Speaker 3: and love and all these wonderful things. It seems like

476
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Speaker 3: you were born into these after effects because you've had

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Speaker 3: this happen so young. And I've also talked to people

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Speaker 3: who have had NDEs as a child, really young age.

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Speaker 3: And how it works that the memories are just as

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Speaker 3: clear as they happen and yesterday. I don't know, but

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Speaker 3: everything that I know of you, and in the bio

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Speaker 3: that I read, you have made your life about being

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Speaker 3: of service. And it sounds also like through martial arts,

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Speaker 3: through psychotherapy, through monastery all that you're still in search

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Speaker 3: of the quiet. Could you talk maybe a little bit

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Speaker 3: about that journey of going into the quiet? And then

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Speaker 3: how in the world did you become a medium? Like

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Speaker 3: how did that come?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: How in the world?

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Speaker 1: I never in my life thought to become a medium.

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Speaker 1: I heard about Suzanne Gieseman in twenty eighteen. Her integrity,

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Speaker 1: her background attracted me when I heard her story of

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Speaker 1: messages of Ope, and I thought, well, I want to

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Speaker 1: learn more about this, because I mean, I have an

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Speaker 1: undergraduateory in theology. I'm a philosopher at Art. I studied

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Speaker 1: philosophy most of my life, and so I was drawn

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Speaker 1: to this mediumship because of her integrity, because of her background,

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Speaker 1: and I thought, anything that brings me closer to connection alignment,

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Speaker 1: so I just started practicing. I went to Arthur Failey

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Speaker 1: College after I took many classes with her and read

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Speaker 1: everything she had and then I just dove in. And

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Speaker 1: I don't do anything halfway, So I went to Arthur

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Speaker 1: Family College.

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Speaker 4: What seemed to help me.

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Speaker 1: Grow the fast, speed it up really fast, was when

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Speaker 1: I connected with Sally Hawk. I was invited to be

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Speaker 1: part of a prototype gathering called Very Soul. What this

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Speaker 1: offered me was a structure so I could practice with

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Speaker 1: other people. And so I kind of made it like

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Speaker 1: my martial art in a sense. My martial art, I

512
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Speaker 1: live and breathe it, you know, for forty four years,

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Speaker 1: you're not practicing just on the mat, you're living it.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: Iikedo means the way of harmony, and there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of similarities between mediumship and martial arts.

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Speaker 4: I found.

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Speaker 1: I never intended to become a medium.

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Speaker 4: I was just doing it for my own spiritual practice.

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Speaker 1: And you practice with practice partners, and I did that

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Speaker 1: I think for like a year and a half or

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Speaker 1: maybe two years. Well, the feedback I was getting after

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Speaker 1: doing that.

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Speaker 4: For so long.

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Speaker 1: Sally was going, you know, you need to kind of

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Speaker 1: do this for real because you're having such impact on people.

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Speaker 1: And I the oh, no, that's not my thing, and

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Speaker 1: I resisted it for a while and then I thought, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: I give it a try, and is blown me away.

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Speaker 4: The impact.

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Speaker 1: It almost is kind of a parallel to like martial

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Speaker 1: arts when you become like a brown belt and you

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Speaker 1: kind of got the techniques down, but then I have

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Speaker 1: my students at brown belt start teaching the younger belts,

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Speaker 1: so they have to not only do it themselves, but

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Speaker 1: they had to figure out how to teach it, and

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Speaker 1: you start to learn on a whole different level. That

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Speaker 1: was like what it felt like moving into working with

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Speaker 1: the publics and the trust that ultimately the spirit world

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Speaker 1: is your teacher and mediumship. I have the grace and

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Speaker 1: the opportunity to study with some amazing mediums. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Davies is my teacher, and still I go to class

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Speaker 1: every other week.

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Speaker 4: I'm in class with her.

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Speaker 1: Even after all these years in martial arts that have

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Speaker 1: people come into my dojo and they'd often say how

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Speaker 1: long does it take to become a black belt? And

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Speaker 1: I'd say, well, you can go on to eBay and

549
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: get one for yourself and then come back and we're

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Speaker 1: going to start training, because it's the practice, and actually

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Speaker 1: black belt is beginning. That's where you begin to become

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Speaker 1: a serious student. And so I feel that the mediumship

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Speaker 1: that I'm practicing, I continue to be a serious student.

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Speaker 1: And the thing I like about it is that I'm

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Speaker 1: always growing. I love the challenge. I wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: really quickly about the similarities I see in mediumship on

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Speaker 1: martial arts. One is beginner's mind. There's a beginner's mind

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Speaker 1: in martial arts where even after fifth degree black belt,

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Speaker 1: I still can walk on the mat and feel like

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Speaker 1: a beginner. By emptying yourself, you can be filled more.

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Speaker 1: If your cup is so full that you have no

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Speaker 1: room anythink you know it all, you might as well

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Speaker 1: just chalk it up to stop. It's boring. And so

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Speaker 1: I come in as a beginner in a beginner's mind,

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Speaker 1: and I find coming into a session with a sense

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Speaker 1: of awe and a childlike wonder, like what are you

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Speaker 1: gonna share with us? Now?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 1: And every session is different, and I love that. I'm

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Speaker 1: surprised every day by the sessions. I'm surprised, energized. I'm

571
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Speaker 1: as surprised as anybody else when stuff happens and it's

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Speaker 1: like wow. And so that sense of childlike wonder and

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Speaker 1: that playfulness, and then the beginner's mind. Then there's the

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Speaker 1: no mind. That's also a principle of martial arts, the

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Speaker 1: no mind, still mind, the emptying when you get still.

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Speaker 1: And self defense. I taught self defense for many years,

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Speaker 1: women's self defense, men's self defense. If you're thinking about

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Speaker 1: a technique, you know, in a self defense situation, you're

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Speaker 1: dead already. It's too late. You have to be in

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Speaker 1: a place where you're just responding. In fact, that happened

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Speaker 1: to me no long and it was just a response

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Speaker 1: that somebody was attacking. It was disarm, immediate disarm. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: that stillness is core and mediumship. You have to be empty.

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Speaker 1: You empty the ego, you empty the trying aspect, You

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Speaker 1: empty the part that really wants to satisfy this person

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Speaker 1: who's in front of you. You let go of all

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Speaker 1: of it. That's the practice I found, similar to martial arts.

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Speaker 1: You empty and then you can respond. Then you can

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00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: move with the flow, Then you can harmonize with the energy.

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00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: That's coming through in this session, and so I just

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Speaker 1: love that because it's very ike Iqi means the way

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00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: of harmony, So you're harmonizing with the flow of energy

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Speaker 1: that's coming through. There's another aspect of martial arts. When

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Speaker 1: you get knocked down, you keep getting back out. It's courage.

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Speaker 1: It's the heart of a warrior. Love is not passive.

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00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: Jesus wasn't his life wasn't passive. Gandhi's life wasn't passive.

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Speaker 1: It's very active. Love doesn't mean it's all sentimentally, but

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Speaker 1: love is the ground of life. It is the structure.

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Speaker 1: It is the ground substance of all that is and

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Speaker 1: all that arises. So you go back into that state

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Speaker 1: of the ground or just love, and you move from

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Speaker 1: there and with the courage sometimes in mediumship. You know,

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Speaker 1: that's why I like it, because you're always growing and

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00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: stretching and expanding and and you just keep getting back up.

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Speaker 1: I just think this is really interesting because I was

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Speaker 1: aware that my thinking mind jumped in. So the reading

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Speaker 1: was I had a lady and I said, I'm aware

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Speaker 1: of this young man. He was in a car accident.

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Speaker 1: He's showing me an ambulance going to the hospital and

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Speaker 1: then I just get like stillness and like nothing. I

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Speaker 1: feel like I almost went into coma, and she said, yes,

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Speaker 1: he went into a coma and he never came out.

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Speaker 1: And I had to make the terrible decision, as mom,

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Speaker 1: to turn that machine off. And I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I made the right decision. And he had an outpouring

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Speaker 1: of thank you for making such a hard decision. And

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Speaker 1: the next thing I saw wasn't so clear. What I

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Speaker 1: saw was an arc of stars. And I laughed because

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Speaker 1: I said, it makes me think of tinker Bell, you know,

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Speaker 1: like in Walt Disney, and her jaw dropped. She said,

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Speaker 1: that was the name of this dog. He took tinker

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Speaker 1: Bell everywhere with them, and tinker Bell died in the.

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Speaker 4: Accident with them. You gave me goosebumps.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then the next thing that I was aware of,

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Speaker 1: I said, he's showing me a red and white flag.

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Speaker 1: Do you understand that? She says, no, He's got be

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Speaker 1: looking at it a blue sky. I see a blue sky,

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Speaker 1: and I see a red and white flag.

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Speaker 4: Do you understand that? She said no?

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Speaker 1: And I love these nose because their miracles that happened

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Speaker 1: from these I said, okay, just write down and see

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Speaker 1: what happens. Two weeks later was his birthday weekend. She's

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Speaker 1: taking a walk and missing him terribly. She's sad and

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Speaker 1: she's taking a walk outside. She looks up in the

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Speaker 1: sky and what does she see? An airplane carrying a

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Speaker 1: red and white flag and a day when she's missing him,

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Speaker 1: and he just brought that to her in the most

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Speaker 1: unexpected time.

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Speaker 3: Let's head off to the break and we'll be right back.

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Speaker 3: We'll find out about the spirit art and circle back

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Speaker 3: to our hockey player. You're listening to Shades of the

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Speaker 3: Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal

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Speaker 3: Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm

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Speaker 3: Sandra Champlain. Our guest Tammy Lee Anderson, was just talking

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Speaker 3: about a reading, letting the mom know her son died

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Speaker 3: in a car accident, went into a COMA dog's name

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Speaker 3: was tinker Bell, but she couldn't verify the red and

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Speaker 3: white flag until days after the reading, an airplane flew

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Speaker 3: by dragging a red and white sign. Tammy doesn't mind

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Speaker 3: getting a no in a reading. Let's continue with her story.

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Speaker 1: So I love the things that people often find out later.

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Speaker 1: I love getting emails after I figured it out. You know,

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Speaker 1: I had a lady would and I said, this young

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Speaker 1: man's telling me the name Brian, and he's telling me

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Speaker 1: I've never had anybody say spell it.

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Speaker 4: And he's saying, it's not br a n it's b

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Speaker 4: r y a N.

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Speaker 1: I just said it twice because he was so insistent,

659
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Speaker 1: and she said, no, I don't know any Brian that isn't. Okay,

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Speaker 1: write it down and see what happens. Within minutes, she's

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Speaker 1: writing me out of the session and she says, oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, I figured it out. My daughter's getting married

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Speaker 1: in three months and her surname is going.

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Speaker 4: To be b r y a N. Oh that's great.

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Speaker 3: How did you get into the spirit art? Then the sketches?

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Speaker 4: I looked at your will. Well, okay, i'll tell you.

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Speaker 1: I was doing a reading for a moment in Seattle.

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Speaker 4: I believe it was.

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Speaker 1: I was doodling. I've never learned out of draw I'm

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Speaker 1: not an artist in that since I have painted. When

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Speaker 1: I was eighteen, I did oil paintings, but I never

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Speaker 1: did sketching. It's a whole different thing. But I was

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Speaker 1: just doodling to get myself out of my thinking mind,

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Speaker 1: because you.

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Speaker 4: Really have to be empty.

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Speaker 1: So I was doodling and this young man says, turn

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Speaker 1: the paper over and start again, and I say, okay,

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Speaker 1: doodling became a beautiful sketch and a portrait and his

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Speaker 1: name's John. And ever since she's been influencing portraits for people.

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Speaker 1: I get them sixty to seventy percent of time, not always,

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Speaker 1: and not always do people recognize them. Well, when they do,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty amazing. I have people sending me photographs, you know,

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Speaker 1: in side by side, and sometimes it looks like you

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Speaker 1: could be a negative. I do have a gallery on

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Speaker 1: my website so you can see side by side, so

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Speaker 1: that's pretty fun. And I had one young man he

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Speaker 1: came for a session in me said I'm very skeptical,

688
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Speaker 1: and I said that's okay. You know I am two

689
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Speaker 1: sometimes and it's good, just you know, to keep that

690
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Speaker 1: healthy skepticism, but don't lock it if you can, and

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Speaker 1: let's see where it goes. Well, he got one of

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Speaker 1: the most accurate drawings that ever came across and I

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Speaker 1: sent it to him at the end and he said

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Speaker 1: he was floored by it. And unfortunately he doesn't want

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Speaker 1: to share that one because it's very personal to him,

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Speaker 1: his picture of his father. Some people were gracious enough though,

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Speaker 1: give me their photograph and I can put it in

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Speaker 1: the galley, but I do ask permission for that.

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Speaker 4: In my book.

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Speaker 1: I didn't put pictures because I didn't want to deal

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Speaker 1: with the technical part. Yeah, if you get permissions and

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Speaker 1: all that. So I did include the drawings in my book.

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Speaker 1: I just really liked the feeling. Everyone seems to have

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Speaker 1: a different feeling.

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Speaker 3: I encourage people to go to Tammy's website, Healing Wellness

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Speaker 3: dot com because you can see the pictures, the drawings,

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Speaker 3: and then also the people as they lived and remember.

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Speaker 3: Her book is called Into Love, A Journey of near

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Speaker 3: death and surrendering into Love. Tammy, could I ask you

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Speaker 3: about your book now that I know there's pictures in it?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to write a book because, you know,

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Speaker 1: I thought, why does a world need another book? There's

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Speaker 1: so many books out there, and it's a lot of

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Speaker 1: work to write a book.

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Speaker 4: It took me two years.

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Speaker 1: I wrote it as an offering of love because people

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Speaker 1: kept asking me, when are you gonna write a book.

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Speaker 1: I write a book and it's like, okay, I'll write

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Speaker 1: a book. There's a collection of stories. The way I

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Speaker 1: wrote it was to be like a love letter to

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Speaker 1: your soul, an invitation for your remembering. I love it

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Speaker 1: when people say, oh, I can relate to this and

724
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Speaker 1: that in my own mind, because that's how I wrote it.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's not our differences that brings us together.

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Speaker 1: It's our common ground that brings us together. And so

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Speaker 1: I write the stories in a very vulnerable way. In fact,

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Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff my family didn't even know,

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Speaker 1: and so I opened my soul to people and shared

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Speaker 1: with my heart. And the feedback I'm getting is quite amazing.

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Speaker 1: I have an invitation to pause so that people can

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Speaker 1: consider questions in their own stories and their own journey

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Speaker 1: of love. Our stories are are walks of remembering who

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Speaker 1: we really are, which is love. We're deeply loved and

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Speaker 1: we are loved, and this is written in a way

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Speaker 1: that helps you remember.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 3: Here's another question for you, based on your near death experiences,

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Speaker 3: your work as a hospital chaplain, your decades of work

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Speaker 3: as a therapist, the martial arts mediumship, and all that.

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Speaker 3: We have some folks listening right now that are experiencing

742
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Speaker 3: the deepest, darkest grief with the loved one who has passed.

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Speaker 3: What message would you have for someone like that who

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Speaker 3: is feeling this grief and maybe just feels lost.

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Speaker 1: There are no words that are going to touch the

746
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Speaker 1: depth of that pain. But just know you're not alone.

747
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Speaker 1: There's a presence of love that's holding you during this

748
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Speaker 1: time of deep grief. This is not dan and in fact,

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Speaker 1: our life is a testament to that in a sense

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Speaker 1: that we are dying and being reborn each moment of

751
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: our lives, and we continue or being reborn each moment.

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Speaker 1: We are the death and resurrection. We are that what

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Speaker 1: we are searching for. And you don't lose it feels

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Speaker 1: like you do, And remember that this is a doorway.

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Speaker 1: Our suffering is a doorway. My dear one he passed.

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Speaker 1: He died of cancer, and I lost him before I

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Speaker 1: lost him in the sense that it was a slow,

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Speaker 1: painful death. He went under one hundred and something pounds.

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Speaker 1: You know, I felt like I was dying. And now,

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Speaker 1: as the time has gone by, I just think every

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Speaker 1: day of how grateful I am that I had the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to be loved so deeply, and love so deeply,

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Speaker 1: and so at a certain point, you turn your grief

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Speaker 1: into gratitude, and that takes it to a whole different level,

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Speaker 1: and we will see our loved once again. This is

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Speaker 1: a blink. This is like a daydream. Here in a sense,

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00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: we're that which has never been born and that will

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Speaker 1: never die. Go into that aspect of who you are

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Speaker 1: again and again and again, and be in that stillness,

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Speaker 1: and you will.

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Speaker 4: Breathe in peace.

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Speaker 1: It's the state of peace between the tears, that depth

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Speaker 1: go there often. Yeah, they're no words, really.

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Speaker 3: Mammi, thank you, thank you, thank you for being our

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Speaker 3: guest today.

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Speaker 4: You're welcome.

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Speaker 3: Before we wrap up today, I want to go back

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Speaker 3: to where we started. We opened with the story of

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Speaker 3: Billy Garraffa, the hockey player who died for sixteen minutes

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Speaker 3: on the ice and came back with a miracle heart.

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Speaker 3: But I save the best part of the story for last.

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Speaker 3: You see, while Billy was in that ocean of love,

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Speaker 3: while he was basking in the presence of God, his

784
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 3: human brain had a very human thought. He looked around

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Speaker 3: at the light and the peace, and he thought to himself,

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Speaker 3: wait a minute, what about man's theology? Where are the

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Speaker 3: pearly gates? Where is the judgment? Where is all the

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Speaker 3: stuff we read about in books? And in that moment

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Speaker 3: he felt God answer him, and I love this because

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Speaker 3: Billy said, it wasn't a booming, scary voice. He said,

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Speaker 3: God kind of laughed at him. And the message he

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00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 3: got was, this man's theology is nothing but silliness to me.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that the best news you've heard all day? All

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Speaker 3: the rules, all the boxes we try to put God in,

795
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Speaker 3: all the ways we worry about doing it right and wrong,

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Speaker 3: it's just silliness. God then told Billy, do you remember

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Speaker 3: the two most important commandments? Love God with all your

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Speaker 3: heart and love your neighbor as yourself. Everything else falls

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Speaker 3: underneath that. That is the whole exam. My friends, love God,

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Speaker 3: love people. That's it. And remember my definition of God.

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Speaker 3: Just like any religions represent different lampshades, but there is

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Speaker 3: only one light. So whether you call it God, the divine,

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00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 3: the universe, that spark that runs within us, all that's

804
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 3: the light. When Billy woke up in the hospital, he

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00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 3: told his wife Isabella something that gives me chills. He said, Babe,

806
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 3: that place that is real life. All of this down here,

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Speaker 3: this is the dream. So as you go ahead into

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Speaker 3: your week. Carry that with you. The real life is

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Speaker 3: waiting for you. It is full of love, not judgment.

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Speaker 3: The struggle really is over because the final destination is secure. Also,

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Speaker 3: did you know that people who have had near death

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Speaker 3: experiences have no fear of dying, not even an ounce.

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Speaker 3: So if you're missing someone today, remember Tammy's words. They

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Speaker 3: aren't gone. They have just woken up from the dream.

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Speaker 3: If you want to dive deeper into incredible mediumship, we

816
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Speaker 3: have a new film evidence of the afterlife saving evidential Mediumship.

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Speaker 3: You can find it on Apple TV or the link

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Speaker 3: right there on my website, which is We Don'tdie dot com.

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Speaker 3: I also offer a free Sunday gathering inspirational service with

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Speaker 3: medium demonstration included. You can get a free copy of

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Speaker 3: my book We Don't Die, a skeptics discovery of life

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Speaker 3: after death and so much more. We have a Facebook

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Speaker 3: group of over eight thousand incredible human beings. You can

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Speaker 3: join that as well. We try to remind each other

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00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 3: not to be afraid of the dark, because the light

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Speaker 3: is here within us and all around us. Our loved

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Speaker 3: ones are very much alive, continuing to support us in

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Speaker 3: our lives. Quiet your mind best as you can recall

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Speaker 3: some fond memories with them and let them communicate back.

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Speaker 3: Thank you with fond memories as well. Go back to

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Speaker 3: our last episode and we talk about that inspirational or

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Speaker 3: automatic writing to communicate with our loved ones. Don't forget

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Speaker 3: you are a divine soul having a human experience. You

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Speaker 3: are safe, you are one of a kind, and you

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Speaker 3: are so very loved. Tammy Lee Anderson reminded us of

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Speaker 3: this beautiful truth. We are that which has never been

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Speaker 3: born and that which will never die. So go into

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00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 3: that aspect of who you are. Tap into that stillness

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Speaker 3: and remember that you are not just a body. You're

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Speaker 3: the piece between breaths. I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you so

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Speaker 3: much for listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the

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Speaker 3: iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network.

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