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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a plea deal and Tonight

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Speaker 1: D four v D aka David Anthony Burke aka Murder

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Speaker 1: Suspect is cooked as an arrest goes down and the

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Speaker 1: death of Celeste, a thirteen year old little girl found

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Speaker 1: dead allegedly dismembered in Burke's Tesla trunk. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: A home incinerator was it purchased at the time of

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Speaker 1: Celeste's death?

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Speaker 3: For perent pages have in fact been used to render

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Speaker 3: down human remains.

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Speaker 4: This is something you would typically find out a farm,

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Speaker 4: and you gotta wonder what the man ultimately did.

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Speaker 5: Let's maybe get rid of her firm NOLLA.

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Speaker 2: Tonight is a plea deal in the works.

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Speaker 1: This ass an arrest goes down connected to the death

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Speaker 1: of a thirteen year old little girl. It's a lest

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Speaker 1: leave us her body found in the trunk of highly

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Speaker 1: popular D four VD aka David Anthony Burke aka Suspect

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Speaker 1: joining me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: what we know right now?

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Speaker 2: What sparked news of a potential plea deal.

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Speaker 6: Burke's close friend Neo Langston arrested at his mother's home

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Speaker 6: in Montana on an unspecified warrant issued by the LAPD,

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Speaker 6: booked for dodging a mandated appearance as a material witness

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Speaker 6: in the homicide investigation. Langston is held without bail at

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Speaker 6: the Lewis and Clark County Jail in Helena.

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Speaker 1: Could somebody just surprise me just one time? Can a

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Speaker 1: defendant not be found hiding under his mother's bed? Day

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Speaker 1: one straight out to private investigator who has become immeshed,

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Speaker 1: embroiled in the D four VD David Anthony Burke case.

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Speaker 2: It's Steve Fisher.

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Speaker 1: Now high profile private investigator, missing person, the private investigator,

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Speaker 1: search and rescue expert, Steve Fisher. This all started when

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Speaker 1: Langston aka Neo aka Neo the Asian refused to come to.

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Speaker 2: Grand jury and they have to go look for him.

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Speaker 1: And of course he's hiding under mommy's bed in Helena,

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Speaker 1: far far away from that grand jury proceeding, so they

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Speaker 1: drag him back. That sparked discussion of a plea deal,

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Speaker 1: and I think they're right now. Some outlets misquoted you

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Speaker 1: stating that you thought DFURBD Burke is going to get indicted,

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Speaker 1: But I think that's best Awkwards.

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Fisher.

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Speaker 4: Well, you said that about dfourbd indicted. What they called

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Speaker 4: me saying is that he maybe a plea deal, and

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Speaker 4: then I did not say that. What I said was

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Speaker 4: the fact that they were bringing Linkston in on that

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Speaker 4: failure rope here worried me.

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Speaker 5: And I think he might be getting an immunity deal.

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Speaker 4: Because I quite frankly I would expect him to possibly

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Speaker 4: be a target, and then you even typically expect them

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Speaker 4: to bring a target in front of the grand jury

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Speaker 4: like that, And it makes me.

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Speaker 1: Think that hold that thought, Steve Fisher, I think you're right.

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Speaker 1: Let me go to high profile defense attorney joining us

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Speaker 1: from this jurisdiction is Joanna Nieva's criminal defense attorney, founder

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Speaker 1: of the Nievs Law firm. Joanna, here's the deal. Let

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Speaker 1: me just break it down.

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Speaker 2: He has a choice.

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Speaker 1: He can either be a co defendant or he can

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Speaker 1: be a witness. That's how I'm seeing it from here,

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Speaker 1: because I guarantee you, Joanna Lapd and I've heard this

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Speaker 1: from an insight source has this huge, huge wall and

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Speaker 1: they have digital tracking, a phone calls, GPS, locators, nav

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Speaker 1: system of all of D four vd's friends, including him, which.

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Speaker 2: Means they've got it down to the minute.

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Speaker 1: If Langston aka Neo was traveling along in a car

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Speaker 1: and I think I've identified one thing they're looking at, Joanna,

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Speaker 1: it's the night that DEFOURVD goes out into a densely

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Speaker 1: Many people think to dispose of a body or scout

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Speaker 2: To dispose of a body.

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Speaker 1: If it turns out that Neo Langston phone was traveling

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Speaker 1: along with D.

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Speaker 2: Four VDS, he's up the you know.

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Speaker 1: What creek without a paddle, so he can choose did

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Speaker 1: you dig the hole or do you want to end

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Speaker 2: Langston?

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Speaker 7: So this is all assuming that he's got information to

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Speaker 7: offer that might incriminate David or even himself. But he

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Speaker 7: may be being called in to stick a timeline down.

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Speaker 7: He may be exculpating David in some way or another

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Speaker 7: person who is a person of interest in the matter.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I just choked on my te.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, well, let me see her please, joe an

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Speaker 1: Andy Evis, did you just say with the straight face

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Speaker 1: that LAPD puts out a in jurisdictional warrant and tracks

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Speaker 1: down Neo Langston who was de four Vidy's bestie, because

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Speaker 1: he has exculpatory evidence that may exonerate Burke. That is

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Speaker 1: not why they dragged him by his toes out from

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Speaker 1: under mummy's bed.

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Speaker 2: No, because he has evidence.

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Speaker 1: It's a grand jury investigation and charging arm.

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Speaker 2: Absolute Please let's be real.

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Speaker 7: They want the information, but also they're required to provide

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Speaker 7: all of the information, not just the things that want

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Speaker 7: front of the grand jury. The grand jury may have

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Speaker 7: additional questions, and Neo Lanston may be able to shed

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Speaker 7: light on times, places, locations and relationships. So it may

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Speaker 7: not necessarily be about this one Santa Barbera trip. It

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Speaker 7: may even be just about what was the nature of

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Speaker 7: the relationship between David and Celeste, if there was anything inappropriate,

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Speaker 7: as many people have been speculating. But there's also speculations

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Speaker 7: David himself. So I think that really we don't know

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Speaker 7: what his testimony will be. I do find that it's

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Speaker 7: probably going to be obviously material that they went through

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Speaker 7: these great lengths to get him there, but ultimately just

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Speaker 7: because he didn't go up doesn't mean that he's got

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Speaker 7: something incriminating for himself for somebody else. He may have

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Speaker 7: just been putting its head in the sand hoping that

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Speaker 2: I ask you a question, where did you go to

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Speaker 2: law school?

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Speaker 7: Florida State Gonoles.

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Speaker 1: That's a great school, and you've tried a lot of

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Speaker 1: criminal cases too. But I can guarandamn t you this

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Speaker 1: technical legal term. They did not drag him back to

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Speaker 1: ask him what's your relationship with Dfourvd.

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Speaker 2: That did not happen.

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Speaker 1: He was dragged home from Helena, Montana, back to LA

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Speaker 1: to testify in front of a grand jury.

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Speaker 2: And put in jail.

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Speaker 1: And that's not to find out if he and Dfurvid

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Speaker 2: Speaking of that.

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Speaker 1: Steve Fisher, Steve Fisher, do you agree or disagree with

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Speaker 1: jo Anna Theevis?

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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what she's doing.

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Speaker 1: She's a world class defense lawyer and she is painting

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Speaker 1: a pretty picture, a pristine picture for Neo Langston.

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Speaker 2: But I guarantee you.

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Speaker 1: They did not drag him all the way back to

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Speaker 1: LA from Montana to find out about his relationship with

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Speaker 1: David Anthony Burt, I want to hear about the disc

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Speaker 1: you found in D fourvd's home. What photos were on

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Speaker 1: the disc?

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Speaker 5: Well, there's a there's eleven hundred photos on it.

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Speaker 4: There's telling me there's a neo is in a lot

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Speaker 4: of them with David and they have a very close relationship.

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Speaker 5: There's he's at the house a lot.

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Speaker 4: He's him and about like two other people seem to

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Speaker 4: always be around. I what worries me about this bringing

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Speaker 4: him back is that they even need his testimony, Because

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Speaker 4: if they haven't been able to make the case five

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Speaker 4: months later and they need his testimony, I would.

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Speaker 5: I would think you'd be a target instead of a witness.

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Speaker 5: And so that's what worries me.

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Speaker 4: That maybe they're going to offer him an immunity deal,

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Speaker 4: which I would hate to see if he has any

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Speaker 1: Okay, because I was trying to figure out why you're

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Speaker 1: worried about it, But I see what you're saying. You

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Speaker 1: want everyone potentially involved in the death and the dismemberment

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Speaker 1: and the disposal of her body Celeste to be prosecuted.

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Speaker 1: I agree, look at her. Don't take down that picture.

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Speaker 1: That is Celist, that is cleist a few short years

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Speaker 1: after that, she's dead and I want to find out

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Speaker 1: why I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: Fisher, Hey Fisher.

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Speaker 1: Another saying, guys, the reason Steve Fisher became embroiled in

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Speaker 1: this is the owner of the DEFOURVD mansion hired him

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Speaker 1: to find out what the hay was going on.

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Speaker 2: He had.

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Speaker 1: The permission to go into the home and search where

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Speaker 1: did you find the disc?

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Speaker 5: It was left behind in the house.

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Speaker 4: They moved out pretty pretty hastily, and they left a

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Speaker 4: lot of stuff behind, and it was it wasn't it

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Speaker 4: was just a memory card from Okay, and it was

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Speaker 4: on floor and we were able to recover the images.

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Speaker 5: From it, so it's just not behind, you know.

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Speaker 4: And but they it was a very quick move on,

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Speaker 4: and they left a tremendous amount of stuff behind it,

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Speaker 4: including the burncage, including the chainsaw, and you know a

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Speaker 2: So it's fund Let me ask you something on that disc.

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Speaker 1: You said there are about eleven hundred images, including D

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Speaker 1: FOURVD and NEO lying in bed together where they clothed.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes there were, and photos of them curled up

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Speaker 4: They were, And a lot of these have already hit

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Speaker 4: the internet because some of these you he actually took

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Speaker 4: off the camera and posted, you know, like you're showing

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Speaker 4: on screen. Now, these are the type of images, but

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Speaker 4: the focus seems to be between him and his relationship

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Speaker 2: Were there any women on there?

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Speaker 1: Any naked photos of women or is it all neo

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no provocative photos of women. Got him in

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Speaker 4: the background, actually of him.

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Speaker 5: And neo.

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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: Let me be clear, Steve Fisher, let me see Steve Fisher.

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Speaker 1: I don't care who is whose boyfriend or girlfriend, or

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Speaker 1: who's sleeping together, who's not sleeping together, really don't care.

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Speaker 1: What I care about is if there is an unbreakable

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Speaker 1: bond between Neo Langston and David Anthony.

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Speaker 2: Burke also known as D four VD.

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Speaker 1: Because if there is an unbreakable bond, I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to get anything out of Langston. He's not going to

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Speaker 1: give it up. And if he's only being charged with

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Speaker 1: failure to appear as a material witness, that's a very

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Speaker 1: light sentence. He'll be in and out in no time

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Speaker 1: for basically a can tipped charge.

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Speaker 2: So bottom line, he's going to have to.

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Speaker 1: Be given immunity, And the reason he has to be

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Speaker 1: given immunity is if you're a target, you can take

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Speaker 1: the fifth the Fifth Amendment right to remain silent. If

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Speaker 1: the state says, okay, you've got immunity, we can't prosecute

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Speaker 1: you under the law, you can no longer take the

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Speaker 1: Fifth Amendment.

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Speaker 2: So what you said at the get go is correct.

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Speaker 2: Trying to find out if he's getting an immunity deal.

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Speaker 1: Is he going to be a co defendant because if

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Speaker 1: he's along for the ride, that's aiding in a betting,

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Speaker 1: you know, slam dunk or is it more okay? While

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Speaker 1: I've got Fisher up on the screen, isn't it true,

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Speaker 1: Steve Fisher that you amassed ring him and other video

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Speaker 8: An out of state warrant issued by LAPD is a

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Speaker 5: And five months later, and.

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Speaker 1: And there you see Nea lyingston handcuffed, he hands behind him,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Eric, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Why does everybody go home and hide out at mommy's house?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've said a million times at.

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Speaker 2: Just go straight out there, all wait, he'll be back

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Speaker 9: Why that is such a great question, Nancy and I

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Speaker 1: reporter Alexis what do we know about Neo Langston? What

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Speaker 10: What we know about him is Neo Langston is a

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I like says to restaurant. I hear

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Speaker 1: But he can be a witness today and a defendant

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Speaker 10: And the thing is he is seen so much more

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Speaker 11: They just want to talk.

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Speaker 10: To him right now, But he refused to come into

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Speaker 12: They got a charge at LAPD that you would not believe.

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Speaker 12: They've got this thing down to a timeline that's almost

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Speaker 1: Devices from our friends at two Angry Men eleven and

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Speaker 5: You know, we also found the chainsaw.

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Speaker 3: What would be the purpose of someone happiness? I'm sure

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Speaker 1: Celeste Rivas. This as the Very Best Friend of D

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Speaker 1: who is neo Langston.

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Speaker 8: Neo Langston is not only a close friend of Burke,

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Speaker 1: You are seeing video now of Neo Langston Andy four

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Speaker 1: VD straight out to Forensics expert Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,

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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star

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Speaker 1: More important is the fact that he is a death

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Speaker 3: chainsaws and burn cages and all this other stuff, and

445
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Speaker 3: he said that a lot of stuff had been left behind.

446
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 3: I'm curious as to what may have been taken away

447
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 3: from there to facilitate hang onto it the utility of

448
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 3: a dismemberment, Nancy. I want to know what did they

449
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 3: have at their disposal and who else was in that house, you.

450
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Speaker 1: Know, I'm very curious also, Joscott Morgan. They've brought Neil

451
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: Langston back to the jurisdiction rousted him out of his

452
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: mom's house. They've got to have his fingerprints, So were

453
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: his fingerprints on any of these items such as the

454
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: burn cage, such as the implements used to well, you

455
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 1: know what I've got, Steve Fisher, the implements that you

456
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 1: found there, in addition to a burn cage which I

457
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 1: believe you say gets up to sixteen hundred degrees. You

458
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: were concerned about other implements, seemingly farm implements that could

459
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: be used in the dismemberment of a body. Now they've

460
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 1: got Neo Langston. I don't think he had a record

461
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: for any reason to give a fingerprint up until now,

462
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: but now they have his fingerprints. What do you think

463
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: they're doing with those prints right now, Steve Fisher?

464
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I suppose they're probably comparing them against probably prints

465
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 4: from the Tesla, from places you know, in the house

466
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 4: the burn cage wasn't open, but the chainsaw was out

467
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 4: of its packaging.

468
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Speaker 5: There was also, I'll tell you that there was knives.

469
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 5: David seem to have this infatuation with knives.

470
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Speaker 4: There's a lot of pictures of him with like I

471
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 4: don't know if there's switch blades, but switch blade looking knives,

472
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 4: and there was I'll tell you there was one. And

473
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Speaker 4: that was on a shelf in a closet, in a bowl,

474
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 4: and that.

475
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Speaker 5: Was so I think they'll compare prints against things like that.

476
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: What did you say was in a closet in a bowl.

477
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 4: There was a there was a knife and listen, I

478
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 4: will say that I used a blue Star and didn't

479
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 4: come back with anything.

480
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 5: But there was just a there was a knife, a.

481
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 4: One thing would use for like, you know, flaying, and

482
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 4: it was in Sicilian a bowl on a shelf, in

483
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Speaker 4: a posit, but nothing else in it, nothing else in

484
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Speaker 4: the closet besides that.

485
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: You know.

486
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: That leads me to a question to doctor Cheryl Errett.

487
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 1: Here is a guy who's basically raised.

488
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 2: In the lap of luxury.

489
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: His dad is a digital expert lawyer who is handling

490
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: the digital evidence for very high profile cases.

491
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 2: All right, so why does he pose himself as like

492
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 2: right out of Compton? What's that all about?

493
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Speaker 9: He's a rapper, he's you know, he is. I think

494
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 9: very has been very popular and understands the culture. And

495
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 9: I think that that he the way that he was

496
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 9: living was consistent with being privileged and also being in

497
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Speaker 9: that community. And so I don't really see any discrepancy

498
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 9: in that.

499
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Speaker 5: I do have some.

500
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Speaker 2: Okay, so have you ever been a Compton.

501
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Speaker 9: What I mean is I don't see any discrepancy between

502
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 9: him being in rap culture and being privileged. I understand

503
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 9: that he wasn't living like he was in Compton, of course, Okay.

504
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: Joanna Nieva's joining us, criminal defense attorney, founder of the

505
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: Nievs Law Firm.

506
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Speaker 2: He is assuming the persona of a badass rapper. Okay,

507
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: he is a privileged kid. His parents fed him with

508
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: a silver spoon. What's with that?

509
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 7: I mean, I think we can't blame him for his

510
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 7: artistic expression, right, this is exactly that a persona. It's

511
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 7: attracting fans, it's attracting viewers, it's what gets it gets paid.

512
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,239
Speaker 7: But it doesn't necessarily mean that that's who he is

513
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 7: at the core, and that he can be prosecuted for

514
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 7: what he put on display in his concerts or his performances.

515
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,239
Speaker 1: Okay, So I don't believe anyone suggested that he's going

516
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: to be prosecuted for his performances.

517
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: His performances are great.

518
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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is he had a completely different persona

519
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: than who he actually really is. Okay, you know too,

520
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: Just Scott Morgan joining us. Now that back to where

521
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: we started here. I took us on a circuitous route

522
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: back to where we started. Neil Langston was arrested and fingerprinted.

523
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: We have the Prince, Now what do we do.

524
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: I'm going after DNA hands down. As a matter of fact,

525
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 3: anybody that occupied the space. I'm getting a buckle mwcoastal

526
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 3: swab off of them. And also I would hope that

527
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 3: this scene has been thoroughly searched, that it was sampled

528
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 3: by law enforcement for any other sources of DNA, and Nancy,

529
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 3: listen to me, and listen to me good. I'm going

530
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 3: to go here in this particular case, I'm not just

531
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 3: merely talking about touch DNA. I want to know if

532
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 3: there's any seminal deposition around this place. I want to

533
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 3: know who it links back to. I want to know

534
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 3: who was there, because, as far as I'm concerned Celestia's case,

535
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 3: it's got a it has a flavor to it relative

536
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 3: to the way she was treated. She's objectified, she is dismembered.

537
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 3: I think that they treated her like she is a playtoy.

538
00:30:53,800 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 3: And I want to know in intimate spaces around that house, bedrooms, sheets, toilets.

539
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 3: I don't care where it is. You pursue this as

540
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 3: fully as you possibly can, and as my granddaddy used

541
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 3: to say, let the hide come with a hair. Whoever's there,

542
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 3: we're going to develop a profile on them, and they're

543
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 3: going to be brought in for questioning. Now some of

544
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 3: the stuff is going to be very passive. You know,

545
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 3: you can have touch DNA and I think the defense

546
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 3: attorneys will argue this, Well, they occupied the space, so

547
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 3: you would expect to find But you have to consider

548
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 3: the source of the DNA what is it because some

549
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: things are richer than others. We've got tons of cases

550
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 3: out here, Nancy. We're solving them now based upon seminal

551
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 3: deposition that took place years and years ago. It all

552
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 3: depends on how far the investigators and scientists are willing

553
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 3: to go in this particular case.

554
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: J Scott, you keep referring to touch DNA and siminal deposition.

555
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: You're throwing around a lot of highly technical forensic terms.

556
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: When you say siminal fluid, you mean sperm, which suggests

557
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: sex activity.

558
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 3: I'm talking about.

559
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 9: Yeah.

560
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Now, when you're talking about touching DNA, could you

561
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: explain that as only you can do so?

562
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 5: Well?

563
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would love to. So Listen, the Jurgons has

564
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 3: made tons and tons of money right off of dry skin.

565
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: The reason we have dry skin is that we have

566
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 3: dead skin cells that we slough every day. People don't

567
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 3: realize this. You sluugh thousands of these things, all of

568
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: the time. So when you touch a surface, you can

569
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 3: actually leave behind a skin cell and it's not going

570
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 3: to be a complete DNA molecule. It's going to be fragmented,

571
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 3: but it can be amplified and you can develop a

572
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Speaker 3: profile on that. That's why I'm drawing this difference between

573
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 3: the sourcing of the DNA. Okay, so yeah, you would

574
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: expect somebody that's touching a doorknob, a counter, those sorts

575
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 3: of things, or even handling you know, cook wear, knives, cutlery,

576
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 3: anything like that, you could find touch DNA in these environments.

577
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 3: But it's a completely different animal when you begin to

578
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 3: think about bodily fluids. All right, we're at another level

579
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 3: at this point, and so we would have questions relative

580
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 3: to this. Maybe it means nothing, but you know, as

581
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 3: you know as an attorney, if you never asked a question,

582
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 3: you never get an answer. And so that's going to

583
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 3: be up to them to see how thoroughly they've investigated

584
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 3: the space and if they can tie this back to

585
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Speaker 3: anybody that's in there.

586
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Speaker 6: Burke has a very small circle of friends, and even

587
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 6: though the friends have not been named publicly, police know

588
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 6: where each friend lived inside the house rented for Burke.

589
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 6: Investigators have triangulated signals of all cell phones, social media,

590
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 6: the Tesla and more for Burke's inner circle. Neil Langston

591
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 6: is one of those people in the inner circle, having

592
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 6: been close to Burke for years, sharing time and space,

593
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 6: creating digital content.

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Speaker 1: In vlocks, we're learning and indictment looms and it is

595
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: a homicide indictment and the a similator doesn't.

596
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: Show what they're like. Hell, you know, put it in

597
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: the trunk, back up and punt.

598
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 5: I don't think these are geniuses by any means.

599
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: Tonight the last known photo of Celeste Rivas and what

600
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: does it prove? It was found by none other than

601
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: private investigator Steve Fisher. Tell me about the photo and

602
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: how you were managed, how you managed to date it.

603
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it was it was a photo that was

604
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 4: on the card that we found and the EXIF metadata

605
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 4: that's embedded inside the photo shows that it was taken

606
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 4: January second, twenty five at five oh five pm at

607
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 4: Baldwin Hill's. The scene of overlooking this picture is always

608
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Speaker 4: really hard for me to look at because she just

609
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 4: looks so lost and confused and you know, fourteen years

610
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 4: old and some guy has lured her into this life

611
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 4: away from her family and school, and she just looks sad,

612
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 4: you know, And it's just it's really hard picture for

613
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 4: me to look at.

614
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: When you say lost and alone, what do you mean

615
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: by that somebody was with or someone took that photo

616
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: on whose digit camp was it taken?

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00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I just been lost in the one like she's got

619
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Speaker 4: herself in the situation where David David listened, David took this,

620
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 4: this this photo, and I don't think she was happy anymore.

621
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Speaker 4: And you know, I think at the beginning it was

622
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 4: probably oh, there's this celebrity or whatever. But now now

623
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 4: she's been brought into this world. But that for a girl,

624
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 4: she just looks like she's just defeated.

625
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: To me, this fourteen year old girl did and dismembered

626
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: decomposing in the trunk of David Anthony Burke. That Tesla

627
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: moved repeatedly to avoid getting Toad. Ultimately it was Toad

628
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: and that's the only reason her body was even found.

629
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Speaker 2: It was in such a state.

630
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: We believe that no cod can't be determined cause of death.

631
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Speaker 1: Before I go to Joe Scott Morgan on that issue,

632
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Speaker 1: Steve Fisher, you stated that this photo is believed to

633
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: be the last known photo.

634
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: Take it off.

635
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: Celeste in life January two, twenty twenty five, in the

636
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: late afternoon, just before dark.

637
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: Where is the photo taken.

638
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 4: Baldwin Hill's Scenk Overlook, which is kind of like in

639
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 4: the heart of La here, it's kind of in between

640
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 4: Hollywood Hills and Lax.

641
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 1: And you're stating that this was taken on Burk's camera

642
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: or cell phone?

643
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 5: You think it was taken on a camera and on

644
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 5: a cell phone.

645
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 4: He had a standalone EO or camera that was DSLR.

646
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: Okay, what do we believe?

647
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: What have we been led to believe Steve Fisher about

648
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: the approximate date of her death?

649
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 4: So this photo is the last one that we're aware of.

650
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 4: LAPD may have the more. I just will make that clear.

651
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 4: But January second, twenty twenty five, and I'll tell you

652
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 4: shortly after that, the behavior of the Tesla, the Black

653
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 4: Tesla changes. There's no more photos of it appearing in

654
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 4: David's Instagram like it used to. And then on February first,

655
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 4: a new Tesla is least And so I think, you know,

656
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 4: I think something could have happened in January. I mean,

657
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 4: I know investigators have thrown around like April time, but

658
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 4: I think it could go back as far as January.

659
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: What date approximately do you believe the tesla started moving

660
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: around in the neighborhood. And we were misled at the

661
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:04,479
Speaker 1: get go by our own calculations. We were basing time

662
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: of death connecting it to when that tesla started moving around.

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Speaker 2: But that may or may not be true. It may

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Speaker 2: be arbitrary.

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Speaker 1: She may have been dead long before she was put

666
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Speaker 1: in the car trunk or long before it.

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00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: Started moving around the neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: So what's our best guest, our best educated guest about

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Speaker 1: her date of death? Steve Fisher, what do you think?

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Speaker 4: I think it goes back to January and now people

671
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Speaker 4: note and the security private security company note that around

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Speaker 4: May is when the tesla starts moving around. But keep

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Speaker 4: in mind the temperatures in January February are really you know,

674
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Speaker 4: they're very cool. So if she's in that front trunk,

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you that the neighbors across the street.

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Speaker 5: Reported to me that they had a dog die.

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Speaker 4: In February and they buried that dog in the backyard

678
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Speaker 4: and they were getting this fact odor which is right

679
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 4: next to where the tesla would work anytime the temperture

680
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 4: would gt above about like seventy five degrees. They thought

681
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 4: they didn't bury the dog deep enough, and this dog

682
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Speaker 4: died February twenty second.

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Speaker 1: So okay, wait, well, wait, wait is this going where

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Speaker 1: I think it's going. You're saying that the stench of

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Speaker 1: celeste decomposing body, this little girl was mistaken for a

686
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Speaker 1: dead dog that had been buried.

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Speaker 4: Well, they were getting this odor in the backyard and

688
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 4: they were going to rebury the dog. And then once

689
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Speaker 4: this all went down and the tesla disappeared, they didn't

690
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Speaker 4: have to rebury the dog.

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Speaker 13: Smelting Away Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, My Stars, Joe

692
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 13: Scott Morgan, this little girl's remains, because of the stench,

693
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Speaker 13: was confused.

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Speaker 2: For a dead dog that had been buried.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know what, Joe Scott, Just when I

696
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: think I've heard it all and seen it all, something

697
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Speaker 1: new happens that just drops on my head like a bomb.

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Speaker 2: The thought of people confusing the smell of her decomposing.

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Speaker 1: Body with that of a dog buried in a yard.

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you not see the poigancy of that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it certainly is. And again that goes back

702
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Speaker 3: to an earlier comment I bade about objectification of her

703
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 3: remains well of her I think probably in life, but

704
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Speaker 3: also remains how they're treated. But Nancy, let me drop

705
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Speaker 3: this on you. I was just thinking about this because

706
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Speaker 3: I want to go chasing rabbits here. But you know,

707
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Speaker 3: with rex Huerman, there's a hearing that's coming up relative

708
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 3: to the unidentified Asian male that they have, and you

709
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 3: know what they're going to be using to determine postmortem

710
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 3: interval in that case. They're going to be taking the

711
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 3: microbial life in that individual's remains and trying to do

712
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 3: build out a succession. And did you know that there's

713
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Speaker 3: been a lot of success with this with decomposing bodies.

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Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, it's more accurate than say

715
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Speaker 3: things that we do relative to you know, riger mortis

716
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 3: live or mortis, all these sorts of things, because you're

717
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Speaker 3: going into the gut of these microbes that live in there,

718
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 3: and we can profile the DNA and you can put

719
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Speaker 3: a much tighter tighter timeline utilizing this. I'm wondering if

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Speaker 3: what kind of sampling has been done relative to this,

721
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Speaker 3: because these microbes in dwell within our body and they

722
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 3: continue to live even in death, and so you can

723
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Speaker 3: do a succession. It's kind of like entomology, but much

724
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Speaker 3: more specific. And you couple that with the smells that

725
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: we're emanating, You couple that with a lot of circumstantial

726
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 3: information that we're getting relative to when she's last known

727
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Speaker 3: a lot, and you begin to kind of tighten down

728
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Speaker 3: that window. And that's going to be the big thing here,

729
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 3: because we've got this huge, mysterious gap in time. You know,

730
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Speaker 3: we've heard things all the way from spring.

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Speaker 1: You have put it in death con four, yet again,

732
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Speaker 1: put the brakes on it, Nelly, hold on. When you

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Speaker 1: say microbial lifetime a timeline, you are stating that based

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Speaker 1: on the gut micro organisms in her body, in her stomach,

735
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Speaker 1: they can date.

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Speaker 2: The time of her death, much like here's a good.

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Speaker 1: Comparison from my lay person point of view, forensic etymology.

738
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Speaker 1: Based on the date and the development of maggots from

739
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: being tiny eggs to turning into maggots to turning into

740
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Speaker 1: full on blowflies, you can tell how long the body's

741
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: been here. That's how I compare a microbial timeline. Would

742
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: you say that's an accurate comparison.

743
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's accurate. But this is that's an accurate comparison.

744
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 3: But what I'm talking about is much more specific. Now,

745
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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that they could utilize this to bring

746
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Speaker 3: it down to the very minute that this happened, but

747
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Speaker 3: with this succession that takes place in the microbial life, got.

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Speaker 1: It, which leads me to the next point. The next

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Speaker 1: point is take a look at this concert video. If

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Speaker 1: Steve Fisher and Joe Scott Morgan are correct, did defour

751
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: VID's camp go so far as to plant a Celeste

752
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: look alike at concerts and in public to throw everyone

753
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 1: off the trail to obscure the fact that Celeste was dead.

754
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: From clips of David Wow give out precisions against two

755
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 2: eyes gives a super smart Apparently the past five school

756
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Speaker 2: has been like these arts schools that.

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Speaker 5: I like, super cool elections or what not. That's my fans.

758
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Speaker 5: I guess you on the ground. One little well.

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Speaker 8: Police Burke on video loitering around high schools without permission,

760
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Speaker 8: trying to get attention of high school students who saw

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Speaker 8: posts on social media that Burke would be around the

762
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Speaker 8: school giving out scissor tickets as part of a scavenger

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Speaker 8: hunt in light of the death of Celest Burke having

764
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Speaker 8: unfettered access to underage girls without permission from the school

765
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Speaker 8: is shocking.

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Speaker 1: Why is David Anthony Burke an adult hanging around with

767
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Speaker 1: unfettered access to high school high school girls and boys?

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Speaker 2: Isn't that where Celeste was before?

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Speaker 1: Or she got plucked out and ended up living with

770
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Speaker 1: Burke and all of his cohorts in his mansion. This

771
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: is from the David Gaming you. This is from David

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Speaker 1: Gaming YouTube.

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Speaker 2: Alexis Teresha.

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Speaker 1: What is he doing at high schools without any chaperone?

775
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: Nothing?

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Speaker 10: What he's trying to do is get attention for himself

777
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 10: and to cause an online a viral stir. He's handing

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Speaker 10: out concert tickets. He's putting up social media post saying, Hey,

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Speaker 10: I'm outside the school in Philadelphia, come out. I'll give

780
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 10: you guys tickets. It's part of a scavenger hunt. It's

781
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Speaker 10: really just trying to.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I know that much. I just heard that.

783
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 2: I'm saying, he's not. Let me refrain my question, your honor.

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Speaker 2: How did he get authority.

785
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Speaker 1: To go on a high school premises on chaperone with

786
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Speaker 1: all of these teams?

787
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Speaker 2: I mean, he doesn't does not that? Does that not

788
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: give me a window in too him. What about it,

789
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Speaker 2: doctor Ert?

790
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Speaker 9: Well, the thing that keeps striking me is that Celeste

791
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 9: was probably not even old enough to be going to

792
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 9: that high school. Nancy. She was like thirteen and just

793
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 9: turned fourteen when she was living in his house. And

794
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 9: I think when we think about somebody that young and

795
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 9: that vulnerable, who was surrounded by adults who were potentially

796
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 9: exploiting her and something so awful happened to her, I

797
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 9: can understand us being nervous about somebody who may be

798
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 9: a person of interest or a suspect being around high

799
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Speaker 9: school kids. I think there's a lot of investigation that

800
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 9: needs to happen to figure out what exactly was his

801
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 9: relationship with Celeste. There was that discord video at one

802
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 9: point where he says something about immedia trained you and

803
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 9: that's controversial, and then she said something about out as

804
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 9: controversial as raping kids and laughs in this like wildly

805
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,240
Speaker 9: inappropriate way, and it really it just begs the question,

806
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 9: what exactly is going on?

807
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: Hey, look at this, doctor Ert.

808
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: This is Burke hanging out by a school without permission.

809
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 1: He's handing out merch, talking and he almost gets maced.

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00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 2: And this is in Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm looking Steve Fisher and I don't see

812
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: any teachers or security anywhere.

813
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 2: What the hey?

814
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but you do see that's his manager behind him

815
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 4: on the left, who's co signing this too, which is

816
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 4: unbelievable that Morgan Rath is.

817
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 5: Is he wrapped up in this too?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Dave Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter, can you say

819
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:47,959
Speaker 1: similar transaction?

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Speaker 14: To back up very quickly the videos that show him

821
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Speaker 14: outside the high schools. It was like some kind of

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Speaker 14: a grassroots marketing thing that they plan and purposely avoided

823
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Speaker 14: telling the schools are seeking permission or anything. I don't

824
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 14: know what the police are actually waiting for. Nancy, you

825
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 14: would know much more about that than I would. But

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Speaker 14: at some point in time, somebody's got to lay the

827
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Speaker 14: hammer down.

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Speaker 1: Guys, if you know or think you know anything about

829
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Speaker 1: this case, however inconsequential you think it may be, please

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Speaker 1: dial two one, three four eight six six' eight nine.

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Speaker 1: Zero we remember An american hero, Officer Donald, Sahota VANCOUVER,

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Speaker 1: pd shot in the line of, duty leaving behind a

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Speaker 1: grieving wife and two children without. Dad american Hero Officer

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Speaker 1: Donald Sahotah Nancy gray signing off goodbye, friend