WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Gary Clark Jr. 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.240 Guest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:10.600 episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:14.680 This is Sugar Steve and on this week's QLs Classic 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:18.919 Austin Rocker and ax Man. Gary Clark Junior brings blues 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:22.880 rock center stage in twenty nineteen as he joins Team 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:26.320 Supreme to talk about his journey from booking gigs at 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:30.400 fourteen to collaborating with The Rolling Stones and Eric Clapton, 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:35.520 and his new album This Land, originally released March six, 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:37.080 twenty nineteen. 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:58.160 Sma Supremo Ro Suprema Supremo, Roll Call Suprema Sun Supremo, 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:02.760 Roll Call Supremo role. 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:06.760 Calls, loves my name, Yeah, that you can trust. Yeah, 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:08.160 I love all my friends. 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:08.720 Yeah. 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:10.360 Who don't throw me under the plus. 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:18.000 Supremo Supremo Roll Call Supremack Supremo. 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:22.640 Role My name is Fante. Yeah. I don't want no drama. Yeah, 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:25.440 I'm just here to talk about the night I met 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:26.039 your mama. 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:33.919 Supremo Roll Call Suprema Sun Sun Supremo. 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:34.720 Role call. 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:37.920 My name is Sugar, Yeah, Sugar Steve for the wind. 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:38.640 Yeah. 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:40.200 Do you hear your training coming? 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:40.640 Yeah? 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:41.959 When your train pulls in. 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:54.080 Supprimo, Supremo, Supremo, Supremo roll call bill Yeah, not counting Pathos. 0:01:54.400 --> 0:02:00.240 Yeah, should have divorced. Yeah, Jeff Bethos, Supremo, y. 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:06.600 Supremo, roll call Supremo Supremo roll call. 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:11.040 It's like em Yeah, that's right. I'm flossing. Yeah, because 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:14.240 now I know. Yeah, a black man from Austin. 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:22.480 Roll call Supremo Supremo, roll call, Supremo Supremo roll. 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:26.480 Call on g c J. Yeah, from the at X, Yeah, 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.440 with Quest and Crew. Yeah, and I don't know what's 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:30.880 nice roll car. 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:40.200 Supremo Supremo, roll call, Supremo, Supremo, role called Suprema some 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:46.320 Supremo role called Suprema son something Supremo role. 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:52.360 Car nice, Yeah, smooth, witty, nice smooitie man dropped fold 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:53.680 yeah real nice. 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:54.639 Yeah. 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:56.480 But he's Russian but still not a bad. 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:00.200 Better than a lot. Yeah. Yeah, he ringed up there. 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:02.080 You know you did it effortlessly. 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:02.840 I appreciate that. 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:08.160 So I did Hendricks Clark mash up. 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:13.359 Yes, deep cuts, I get it, deep cuts. And we're 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:20.560 in the house. Of course, I'm gonna sugar work. Yeah, 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:23.079 this is the Sugar Network edition. Of course, love supreciate 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:27.080 where we at se No, run your own show, bro, 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.160 I'm just here for a punch. I'm still under the bus, man, 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:37.160 I'm still under the bus. You weren't talking about me, right, Yeah, 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:38.120 you don't even know what's going on. 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:43.600 Well, it's cool this sugar Steve and we're here at 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:44.680 Electrically Studios. 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:49.040 That's right. We are anything else, No like for somebody 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:53.080 who let's move it, okay, living anyway, My role call 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:53.640 was the ship. 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:56.480 It was it was It was like it was like 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.240 you were great many let like an onion, many levels. 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:01.720 Oh wait, we might as well just start now because 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:03.960 I know I'm gonna play this about twenty eleven times. 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:10.040 Damns. 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:20.000 All right, yeah, step mother, is. 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:23.680 You sound y'all? Sounds so good? 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.400 Oh man, are you background? 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.800 Yeah, that's just a mere plugging on that ship. 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:33.200 Well done. So that was just me. It sounds great 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:37.640 when I walked into the room, h unpaid Bill. Yeah, 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:41.719 when he's not teaching Grover to curse on Sesame Street. 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:46.640 And you gotta explain to you what was that? I 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.600 think y'all did that on purpose. I heard it both ways, though, 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:51.840 like I heard what it was supposed to be. It was, 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:54.560 what was the thing this is the red dress blue? Yeah, 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:59.320 like whatever that was Willow Yann Yanny Laua, Yeah that 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.560 Yanny verse is Laurel what exactly he was said, I. 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:06.920 I don't I didn't see it, but I was told 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:10.440 by my girlfriend who's the boss, that they watched it 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.880 like a hundred times, and and everybody bought the fact 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.239 that he didn't. He did not say what everybody thinks. 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.440 He said, wait, wait, she's literally the boss. 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:19.600 Yeah. 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:23.480 Oh damn ye, my girlfriend she is my boss. She 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:28.120 is she's the boss. Wow, it's tough, man tough. It 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:30.000 used to be she wasn't the boss, and then like 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:32.280 in the last year, she became the boss. And I'm 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:35.720 not sure how I feel about that. I'm formulating the 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:36.799 opinions speak. 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:39.680 It's love on the street. Yeah, love on the street. No, 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:41.960 but you you were saying that you were about to 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:45.240 have a get rebar mitzvad Oh. 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:49.160 So for those that follow on the on the Instagram, 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:52.480 he is constantly the host of various rap events, US events, 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.560 various events. He's like the m of mcs. And I thought, 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.039 since I'm gonna get bar Missov again that he could 0:05:58.160 --> 0:05:59.640 m see the Barns. 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:02.160 For the second time, it's like you and is this 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.400 like a recircumcision as well? Yeah, okay, like they're all 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:15.200 the same things. I gotta read it or okay, yeah, 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:17.760 I may excuse myself from the circumcision part. 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:18.440 I understand. 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:20.760 But but you know, but up until that, up until 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:22.640 the cutting, I'm there. I'm your guy. 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:26.160 Tonight, we're enjoying whiskey with each other, and it's wonderful. 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:27.560 I feel like we don't do this enough. 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:29.080 We don't. I just want to see how far I 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:34.640 can get without even introducing our guests. Was trying to 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:38.800 segue into our guests because I brought in some that 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:41.280 he liked. He has an intro, but I'm just saying that. 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:43.880 You know, we usually just wrap a little bit for 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:48.280 like minutes. The Sugar networks much more organized. I get 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:51.040 a mess man, you know how I do, especially when 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:53.920 Boston Building here. Yeah, I know, my feet, my nikes 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:59.279 are up on the fact. I'm gonna eat some grapes 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.080 right now, all the exactly. 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.760 Usually I'm just cool. 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:11.040 I'm just where's that boys coming from? There's somebody here. 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:13.440 I love when Bill's not here so I can just 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:16.120 violate all the rules. Oh and you brought the ear 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:17.440 rings back the earrings. 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:18.720 Don't get me. 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:26.280 I love the ear rings. A great edit job, bill out, 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:32.200 Yes he did, he edited, he edited a lot out. Okay, 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.520 roll out this rolls roll them out, Red car, Come on, 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:39.320 all right, we have a black man from Austin, Texas. 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:45.880 Time time out. Austin is officially my second favorite place 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:50.800 on earthly know that, what is it? I just like 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:55.160 my requirements for city are you know. I don't have 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:58.520 the same standards that other people do. Okay, Uh, if 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:02.520 the record shopping is good, the food truck activity is 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:05.480 good there, that's all I mean. 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:08.880 If we was legal, but you know, make certain compromises. 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:10.040 It's about to be coming. 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:11.760 It's coming out in as. 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:16.360 We had a good time, you know. And I actually 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:24.960 believe that perhaps the the idea potus that might get 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:28.720 the votes for the Democrats, or I believe that you 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.240 think he is from I think he's the figure that 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.400 will do it. Why are you speaking in code? Because 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:36.960 you know then I don't want to get pinned down 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:43.800 Jesus exactly. Not, I mean not yet. You know, I'm 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:46.960 just saying right now, as it's looking there's a strong 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:56.599 possibility bet speak much more openly anyway, my second is 0:08:56.720 --> 0:09:00.120 my second He's from my second favorite city. Uh in 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:04.480 the US and the world. He's been doing it to death. Yes, 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:08.960 deaf d e a f because his guitars allowed uh 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:15.440 since the age of twelve their bad point of here No, seriously, 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:20.280 in the tradition of of of the great journeyman bluesman 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:25.480 such as James Marshall, Hendrix, Buddy Guy, Muddy Waters, all 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:30.120 the Kings, BB King, Albert King, Freddy King, Uh you 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:40.600 know Hallan Wolf, Yes, all the Kings, our guests. Gary 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:43.960 Clark Jr. Has been making believers of the traditional rock 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:48.760 and roll sound with his major debut U and the 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.520 EP Bright Light TP and the Black and Blue, which 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:55.439 was released in twenty twelve. I've seen the man myself. 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:57.880 I've played with him a few times. But you know 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:04.400 I can attest that, uh, the future of of just 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:09.920 jaw dropping ax work is definitely good hands. Lady and Joeman, 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.920 please welcome to Quest Love Supreme, the one and knowing 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:13.560 Gary Clark. 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:18.840 I appreciate that I might need that as my alarm. 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:25.600 I'll do so. Tell me about Austin. Were you were? 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:27.120 You born in Austin, Texas? 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:28.800 Yeah, born and raised in Austin, Texas. 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:34.520 All right, now I have this romantic, you know, vision 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:39.520 of the town and whatnot, like food trucks, food trucks 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:45.599 and records music. What was it like pre gentrification? What 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:50.600 was it like? Damn? For those that don't know, Clark 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:57.000 gave a look. So tell me what's the what's the 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:58.000 deal with Austin? 0:10:58.120 --> 0:10:58.160 Like? 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:00.920 What was growing up in Austin like? For me? 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.280 I grew up south side of Austin, a little spot 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:05.160 called Oakhill neighborhood. 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:07.600 I guess you called it somewhat of a suburb. 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:10.360 I guess the south side of the suburb. 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:12.800 No, I mean yeah, I guess you could say that 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:15.319 there's a bunch of houses with schools and parks and 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:19.600 ok uh, but uh, it wasn't directly right in the city, 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:24.520 you know what I mean? But you know, pretty pretty normal, 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:30.079 somewhat diverse neighborhood close to you know, uh, fifteen minutes 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:33.080 away from downtown. But I was it was country, kind 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:35.880 of a little bit, riding bikes, sports out of the woods, 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:39.040 doing stuff like that, basketball, nothing too wild. 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:45.840 Yeah, fairly normal, Yeah, somewhat somewhat normal. I mean it's Texas, 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:47.439 the south, so there's a little bit of that. 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.120 It's you know, I was going to say the one, 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:54.480 the one, the one physical trait that you have that's 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:58.360 the opposite of all the great axemen of history is 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:02.080 you're tall. Yeah, I'm up here, man, You're very tall. 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:05.000 Like all the great acts men, I feel like, you know, 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:11.360 are under five ten and they, you know, I feel 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:15.520 like maybe that's their entry into you know, this makes. 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.520 Up for well I never heard I never thought about hype. 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:20.199 But but Hendrix was short. 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:22.280 I mean it's about I mean, I've heard about having 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.480 big hands where that can. 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:29.120 Finish it, finish it, finish it be extremely help. Thank you. 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:32.960 You're supposed to be doing this. 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.760 An advantage, no, I mean probably for other instruments too, 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:47.160 but having having large hands would make playing an instrument easier. 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:49.160 I would know. This is all I got. 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:54.560 I haven't been looking at your hands. I mean, you're 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:56.560 but he's just a tall person, so his hands are 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:57.480 probably tall. 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:07.480 Nice King Albert King six four, he is, he's a 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:08.240 big Yeah. 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:10.920 Okay, I didn't yeah, okay. 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.120 In the Kings, but yeah, man, growing up in Austin 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:13.920 was nothing. 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:17.440 What was your family situation into I grew up uh. 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:20.840 In the house with three sisters, mom and pops. Yeah, 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:21.920 boy right in the middle. 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:28.640 Oh, okay, the only boy, the only boy. Okay, yeah, 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:32.360 what did your what did your folks do? Musicians as well? 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:40.280 Now, well, my pops eat. I love my pops, but yeah, 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.280 he you know, he plays a little bit. I actually, uh, 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:46.880 you know, when I started realizing what was happening, he 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:48.719 had some guitars in the house. I ended up kind 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:53.760 of breaking one. But my dad, my parents just kind 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.920 of normal jobs. My dad sold anything. He sold everything 0:13:56.960 --> 0:14:00.439 from homes to cars, to men's suits, the ladies shoes 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:07.000 to uh, he did everything. He worked security for concerts 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.240 and you know, he was just he was he was 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:11.079 doing whatever he had to do to make sure that 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:15.319 we had what we needed. My mother was an accountant's 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:16.960 perfect like he hustle. 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:17.640 She managed. 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:20.640 It's working out like as of this. 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:24.280 A little bit. 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:26.840 Yeah, my mom, she's been helping me out for a 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:27.280 long time. 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.120 So that's what un But yeah, and none of them 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:33.840 are in music in the church or none of that stuff. 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:36.960 Uh no, no, not really. 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:38.640 It's a unique situation. 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:41.520 Yeah, but I mean I got family members. I got 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:50.520 uncles who are musical musicians, you know, writers, and uh, 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:52.800 somebody used to play with Stevie Ray Vaughan. If you're 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:56.120 familiar with Austin, Texas and Texas Blue seeing W. C. Clark, 0:14:57.520 --> 0:14:59.640 that's my cousin. Used to play bass with them. Great 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:03.240 guitar players. Pee Wee Craton used to play with Johnny 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:08.880 Otis Sugary Otis, right, So, yeah, that's so it. 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:10.880 Was in my in my family were not right at 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:11.720 my house, you know what I mean? 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:18.160 Also weird enough the house band for they called them 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:21.440 Blue Records. What's your name? Blow Fly, blow Fly? Yeah, 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:24.320 clar a lot of this stuff. Well, yeah, like Johnny 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:26.240 Owais was a part of that. I didn't realize that 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:31.720 until much later. So how did you get interested in music? 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:33.320 Like what was the moment that. 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:40.240 The moment that made me I saw Michael Jackson five okay, 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:42.880 the Victory Tour or yeah, this is the Bad the 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:43.280 Bad Tour. 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:45.960 I was born in eighty four, so this is like 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:46.880 eighty eight eighty. 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:48.560 Cheryl Crow, Michael Jackson. 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.640 Yeah, so that's the first time you met Cheryl Crow. 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:56.160 That was the first time I saw Yeah, that was 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:56.600 the first time. 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:00.240 It was crazy, like little did you know? How like 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:03.280 your connection with her? Then? Would you know? 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:05.800 I can't stop loving you. 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:09.600 You know, we had the noose bleed seats, you know 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:12.880 what I mean, see anything, But yeah, that was that 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:15.040 was what got me into music. You know, the lights 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:18.080 showed the energy everything, you know. I got to kindergarten, 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:21.680 I was like, where's the stage at? Really I just 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:22.600 wanted to be in that. 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:23.640 You know, what is this? 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:25.200 You know what is these vibes? 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:31.280 So you you chose a path that is rarely chosen, 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:36.000 especially for like black musicians, especially in growing up in 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:39.520 the age of when hip hop is really developing and 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:43.680 and you know, R and B at the time when 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:47.520 you're coming of age like new jack swing and and 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:51.400 hip hop are really find their footing. And but yet 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:56.680 like blues music and the way that you play, you know, 0:16:57.800 --> 0:16:59.280 one of the one of the reasons why I'm really 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:01.280 excited that you hear is because I really don't know 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:06.439 your story. But having seen you beforemed at least somewhere 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:10.560 between ten to twelve times, like already had like your 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:13.600 story painting out my head that you know you're living 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:27.520 off of like pork and beans. But that's a compliment, 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:32.800 you know, that's like a leg he said, nice, Like, yeah, 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:36.639 I did it. That story work. No, but you you 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:42.960 you sing with so much conviction and a type of 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:46.600 I don't know how to describe your voice, like it's 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:51.280 it's not like a voice I've ever heard singing before. 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:55.280 But I felt like, you know, like you went through 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:57.040 things and that sort of thing. I mean that that 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:00.240 was kind of what the vibe iways lived in. Yeah. 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:02.280 I think he sings like he plays the guitar. Like 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.080 the guitar and his voice are kind of a similar. 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:06.800 Yeah, which started first for you? Did you start playing 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:07.840 first or singing first? 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:10.320 I started singing first, Yeah, I was. 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:15.560 My sister started coming home with trophies for singing competitions 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:16.600 and trophies. 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:23.560 So what's the age gap between you and your siblings? 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:29.879 So I'm three and a half years younger than my 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:34.240 older sister. I got a sister younger than me two years, 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:37.840 and then I got a baby baby sister who's younger about. 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:41.239 Like ten years. Okay, cool. Yeah, So the older one, 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:44.199 she was the one that was singing. She could sing good, she. 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:48.640 Could sing great. She's you know, you can play piano 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.600 really well, sight read, can you know, do all that? 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.040 All that kind of stuff, And I just I wanted 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:56.520 some trophies. So I signed up for the choir in 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:59.320 sixth grade along with basketball. He used to get hell 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.520 all the time for showing up to basketball practice, like, 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:04.200 what's up singing something? 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:04.480 Man? 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:07.560 That was quiet practice. 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:11.040 That's right. She can't be a music nerd and a 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:16.680 school John rough Man, so brough we get a ball. No. 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:23.320 I was like a Dalmatian, great dang PUPPI es tall 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:23.879 and awkward. 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:27.000 Tall, you know, got no handles, super tall for no reason, 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:30.040 got no hops, sad, just a waste. 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:35.320 But your hands are so big. 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:38.480 She's a dunkey. 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:41.560 I got a nice fifteen foota though, in case stop me. 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:46.879 But his attention with that, Yeah, she told her that 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:51.560 wrong foot her not injured? 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:56.400 Niggah, that would be well that yeah, you're right, yeah, yeah, 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:00.080 thank you, But I'm what. 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:10.600 Do you anyway? Where were we? Okay? So just from 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.760 seeing your sister win these trophies, that was your inspiration. 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:16.639 Yeah, that's why I thought I was gonna you know, 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:18.879 you're talking about being the time of hip hop and 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:19.280 R and B. 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:21.760 I thought I was gonna be a singer in an 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:22.600 R and B group. 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:25.000 I had a group with this guy Robbie called Young 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:29.359 Soul and We had dance moves and choreography and. 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:34.240 Like an SNL skit like Ary Clark, We're in it was. 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:36.760 It was terrible, but we loved it. 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:38.840 You know, who were y' all kind of modeling yourself 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:39.720 after the group? 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:42.760 You wanted to be boys to man as yet all 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:44.720 the yeah all for one. 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:52.680 Man, mister you know wow, all the groups singing blackbery 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:53.400 in my last. 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:54.080 That was my joint. 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:55.639 And I had that guitar in it too, and I 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:57.920 was like, I was like, this goes together. I could 0:20:57.960 --> 0:20:58.359 do both. 0:20:58.760 --> 0:20:59.920 I could be. 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:06.520 That was mistering me playing the guitar, played guitar. 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:10.600 He was acoustic. He was like the knockoff baby Face. Well, 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:12.359 I mean but the niggas. 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:15.440 I mean, but the niggas, I thought, big face like 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:19.720 everybody else. Baby Face started his baby face. Remember he 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:24.399 said that right now he was on the No, he 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:26.639 was on the face. He was on He's on as Arista. 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:28.600 Yeah, supreme rabbit hole Gary in my back. 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:31.920 Wait wait, so that was literally the video is literally 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:34.320 the moment when you start to think about picking up 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:34.959 the guitar too. 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:39.240 That video you're just referenced, No no. 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:42.680 No, Tito Jackson watching old videotapes and tr Jackson mayde 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:43.360 want to play guitar. 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:49.480 Yeah wait, you said you broke your dad. Uh you 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:52.840 can tell similar to Tito Jackson, there was no repercussions though, right, 0:21:54.560 --> 0:22:01.600 Uh not like that. Okay, okay, so uh that's singing. 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:05.199 But when you were so what you were twelve when 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:09.240 you first started playing guitar or yeah, so what was 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:11.120 your first what was the first acts that you got? 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:13.960 I got an ivan as RX twenty like a black 0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:19.600 electric guitar, two humbucker pickups at Maple Neck, and I 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:20.840 got a little ten watt. 0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:27.600 Guitar amp from Walmart or something and plugged in. 0:22:27.720 --> 0:22:32.320 And everyone starts with the the department story like it 0:22:32.440 --> 0:22:34.040 was like a rock acts or something, I think it 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:36.639 was the name of it. A little ten watt and 0:22:36.720 --> 0:22:38.920 all your stuff, Like you learned to play, you pretty 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:41.359 much start yourself, like you know, lessons or anything like that. 0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:44.320 I no, no, not really. I started listening to the 0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:48.320 radio my dad when I first got my guitar. 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:50.160 My dad said, if you want to play guitar for really, 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:52.359 you got to listen to Eric Clapton in Santana. 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:55.480 So he dropped off some records in my room and 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:59.879 said good luck with that. Do that do your homework too? 0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:08.159 But with that really, So, what were the first records 0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:13.760 that you remember buying? Well, not not for guitar education purposes, 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:16.240 but just in your life. What was your first album 0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:17.760 do you remember purchasing? 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:21.040 My first album that I remember purchasing was Immature? 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:29.480 Wow? Which one right now, dude, yoc? Which which alpum was? 0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:30.200 Which one was it? 0:23:30.240 --> 0:23:32.560 Which the one with I Feel the Funk? 0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:35.720 Feel the Funk? We heard that come out ninety five. 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:38.280 I don't want to say they sampled us. That was 0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:41.639 the first time we got sampled Mature. Sample one of 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:45.240 the one of them joints, one of them joints sounds 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:50.520 from Solid Treatment. Wow. Matter of fact, they did too, 0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:53.520 because the drums was sound Treatment. But they took the 0:23:56.400 --> 0:23:59.000 they did. I had that album somehow. 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:00.920 I don't know if it was the intention and you 0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:02.280 remember it, so it must have been good. 0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:05.840 Okay, let me be good. Okay, So this is Gary Club, Jim. 0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:12.359 Do you remember do you remember when Immature came back. 0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:13.080 As I am X. 0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:16.440 Yeah? I did what a different member or something? 0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:25.800 No, it was the same three niggas, but it was 0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:28.200 it was like yeah, because they had that jam and 0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:30.240 they did a cover that. She did a cover of 0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:31.680 Love Me in a Special Way on that album that 0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:32.720 was like pretty. 0:24:32.440 --> 0:24:35.240 Good markets straight up, Yeah, that asked, But I had 0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:35.680 that album? 0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:36.480 Had I had that album? 0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:39.080 You're my favorite R and B fan of all time? 0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:44.600 For real? Your R and B knowledge puts me to shame. 0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:48.680 Like Mark, if Markey Houston knew that Gary Clark Jr. 0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:50.639 Like was it? That's just I just don't think he 0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:52.720 would know that. He probably would be off the wall. 0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:56.560 Yeah, yeah, that was That was the first record I bought. 0:24:57.080 --> 0:24:58.240 Wow, that's crazy. 0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:04.479 All the men man, you wanted to say like Phoebe King, 0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:12.959 Robert Johnson, He's like nah, no, eat. 0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:17.720 So at what point, at what point do you consider 0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:22.399 the genesis of where you are right now in your career? Like, 0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:25.760 at what point are you who's putting you on to 0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:31.600 uh Electric Lady Land, who's putting you on to the 0:25:31.720 --> 0:25:35.920 first like the Cream albums or Zeppelin or any of 0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:36.360 those things? 0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:36.680 Yeah? 0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:39.840 So assuming that, assuming that, I mean, I'm assuming that 0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:41.399 you Jimmy von Cat right, that was? 0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:45.920 Yeah, Well that all happened. I lived down the street 0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:52.240 from a girl named Eve Monsei. I met her in 0:25:52.320 --> 0:25:54.920 third grade. White Girl came from Houston. Jewish girl. 0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:57.920 She came out and was like, ah, she came. 0:25:58.480 --> 0:25:59.000 I told her. 0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:08.199 So she was playing guitar like a year before me and. 0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:10.280 And her. 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:13.880 Her dad worked on video games and he would put 0:26:13.960 --> 0:26:16.880 video games in a in all these different venues around town. 0:26:17.440 --> 0:26:18.800 And so when he was working on him, he had 0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:20.639 him in the garage and they had a basketball go 0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:22.840 so all the kids from the neighborhood would go over 0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:25.760 there and play arcade games, you know, and you start 0:26:25.800 --> 0:26:28.560 hooping or whatever, and then uh, you've had. 0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:29.320 A band and it was like. 0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:34.120 A three piece band, her and a couple of other girlfriends, 0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:35.879 and they would be playing this rock and roll stuff, 0:26:36.640 --> 0:26:40.720 and you know, she had a black stratocaster and a 0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:44.959 Fender twid Hunter white ant well you know, the red 0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:46.600 knobs on it. And I thought it was the coolest 0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:48.200 thing ever, you know what. So I'm playing basketball and 0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:51.399 I'm hearing this. So I ended up getting interested in, like, uh, 0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:55.320 what she was doing. It was just like the coolest 0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:59.000 thing in the neighborhood. So I just I just became 0:26:59.119 --> 0:26:59.720 interested in that. 0:26:59.800 --> 0:26:59.960 You know. 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:02.200 I've been listening to my boys to men and working 0:27:02.280 --> 0:27:05.200 on my dance steps and writing my you know, my 0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:07.119 R and B hits and then I was like, you know, 0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:10.600 let me see what's happening over here. So that's seeing 0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:14.080 her having a guitar and thinking about Tito Jackson how 0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:15.119 much I love that. 0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:18.840 And you know, uh, it's the first time in which 0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:21.199 you know, someone's making the Jackson's reference with. 0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:26.040 And he really deserves it because people don't be picking 0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:27.160 them up as much as they should. 0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:30.159 Yeah, so it was all that kind of all that 0:27:30.280 --> 0:27:32.240 kind of went together. And I remember that they had 0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:35.000 that Jackson movie, The American dream. 0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:38.480 Man Listen that is a classic watching every all four 0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:44.840 like that one in the Temptations movie Bussy TV exactly. 0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:47.320 So they they had a they had a soundtrack for 0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:49.480 that and at one point they had a live version 0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:52.000 of them doing Who's Loving You? 0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:57.240 Who's Loving You? But they but they did uh Isaac 0:27:57.320 --> 0:27:59.840 Hayes walking by, and so Tito's playing out. 0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:06.320 Jermaine is also, let it be noted, Jermaine is killing 0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:13.560 that baseline. So that's weird. That affected me as a 0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:18.240 as a sampler that was a well known public enemy sample. Yeah, 0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:21.320 so that's how I got, you know, into that, But 0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:25.919 you just hearing it first generation without even the references. 0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:28.760 That's crazy that you picked up on that. 0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:33.320 Yeah, I was like, man, this is this all goes together. 0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:35.000 I'm gonna start hanging out down the street and you 0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:36.200 figured out how to play this guitar. 0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:36.520 Man. 0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:41.920 Wow. Babyface was also in the audience that night. He 0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:44.000 mentioned that on the show, I'm gonna do a lot 0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:50.320 of references to pass that. Yeah, I'm awn reference center. 0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:52.640 By the way, two short parents were accountants as well. 0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:54.000 I'm just I'm going with the thing. 0:28:56.600 --> 0:28:59.600 Yeah. Well, I know, I know that you weren't built 0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:03.400 over night. So how many hours do you recommend it 0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:09.320 took you to really really master I mean, because I 0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:13.920 mean at the rate where Rolling Stones declaring you as 0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:20.959 Operation Next and the future and yes you you definitely 0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:23.000 have the chaps for that ship. Like I was, again, 0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:26.200 jaw drop, like, how what was your practice technique? 0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:32.840 Like my practice technique was I quit going to school hours, 0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:36.720 you know what, I just quit. 0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:41.080 I would show up the first period and someone would 0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:42.760 be like, hey, man, let's go play guitar. 0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:47.200 I got some herb and we just dipped, you know, 0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:50.080 and we would just you know, I was introduced to 0:29:51.800 --> 0:29:53.680 Grateful Dead and and. 0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:59.240 You know, people had Muddy Waters Records, and it was 0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:01.800 just I would just go do that instead of doing 0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:03.240 my school work. 0:30:03.360 --> 0:30:04.480 Austin started changing. 0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:09.520 Okay, so all day. You know, when I got to 0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:12.040 be about fourteen. I played my first gig in ninety eight. 0:30:12.360 --> 0:30:16.800 It was sophomore in high school. I guess, and I mean, 0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:19.960 you know what it is like. You start getting gigs 0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:23.880 and then it becomes you get one gig, two gigs 0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:26.120 three four nights a week, five nights, so that's one 0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:27.320 nights a week, four hours. 0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:30.960 That's where the domino started. That's that's from fourteen on. 0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:32.520 From fourteen on, that was it. 0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:34.040 And your parents was cool. 0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:38.920 They was like, okay, they were okay with it. 0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:43.200 They were okay with it until I started getting phone 0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:45.960 calls from the school true where I. 0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:49.280 Was, because fourteen is the beginning of high school. So 0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:50.200 it's like what you do? 0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:53.240 Yeah, I was there, and then I just ghosted wow. 0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:55.520 Or did you like get it? 0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:56.400 I ended up finished. 0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:58.280 I had to do Saturday, I had to do after school, 0:30:58.360 --> 0:30:59.800 I had to go before, I had to do all 0:30:59.840 --> 0:31:01.720 that stuff I had in completing my junior year of 0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:02.200 high school. 0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:04.400 Because I lost it. I was They used to call 0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:05.040 me hot wire. 0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:07.040 I used to take my parents' cars, sneak out in 0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:08.640 the middle of the night, go down to the clubs. 0:31:11.120 --> 0:31:13.960 This is what we want to know. Wait a minute, 0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:15.800 you were hot? Are your parents card? 0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:18.240 They called me how Ward. I just used to have 0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:18.600 the key. 0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:24.160 Put it, put it down the streets. Better nickname than keys. Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, 0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:29.880 I mean having once. You know, shame on me doing 0:31:29.920 --> 0:31:31.920 it twice though. Kick on the bell. 0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:36.520 Now, this happened multiple times. This is three four times 0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:38.920 a week. Get out and go to the club. 0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:40.240 Oh, you would get away with it. 0:31:40.720 --> 0:31:42.400 I would get I would sneak out of the window. 0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:45.480 How about the window, and I would. 0:31:45.280 --> 0:31:47.520 Wait till my post would be sitting He would be 0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:50.440 watching Star Trek or something, and he would start to 0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:50.960 fall out. 0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:54.479 Is it because they were too busy looking at the girls? 0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:58.800 I don't know what he but your sisters I met 0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:01.360 that in that way. Sorry, your sister's like they. 0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:09.240 Say electric blue. 0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:11.800 Or something like that. 0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:16.840 I just meant, how did you get past them? 0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:20.560 But I was just there focusing on the girls. Your sisters. 0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:24.280 Yeah, I was always upstairs playing guitar. 0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:25.120 You were good at it. 0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:25.880 I was good. 0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:27.080 I was. 0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:29.200 I was on mind at school. 0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:32.320 Yeah, I was moove with it. But you know I 0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:33.280 popped in one time. 0:32:33.360 --> 0:32:33.960 Where would you go? 0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:37.440 I would go to a spotle joe Gan, Eric Ball, 0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:40.160 go to Anton's. I'll go to my friend's houses and 0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:42.200 we would you know, they would have house parties and 0:32:42.280 --> 0:32:44.120 bands would be playing, would be DJs. 0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:47.360 So you know, I might not have been able to go, 0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:50.040 but I made myself able to go. 0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:54.640 I would they normally have given you permission to play 0:32:54.680 --> 0:32:58.720 these parties or was it like okay, no, no, based 0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:02.840 on this is the wrong crowd, or based on like 0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:06.200 are they seeing you and knowing that, oh, he's going 0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:09.600 to be our future. I'm not saying that every son 0:33:09.720 --> 0:33:13.480 has to, you know, do that for his parents, but no. 0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:15.560 Not at all. It was it was a distraction. 0:33:15.760 --> 0:33:15.880 You know. 0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:18.880 I started, you know, I'm sneaking out, I'm leaving the house, 0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:21.880 I'm smoking weed all the time, I'm stealing the car. 0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:25.560 They don't they can't find it in your best life, Yeah, exactly, 0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:26.520 you know what I mean. 0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:30.120 I'm getting calls from the school, I'm not present, you know, 0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:34.240 all this type of stuff. And so now they weren't 0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:38.000 really with it at all, you know, but my mom 0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:40.080 made a compromise with me. She was like, look, I 0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:41.680 can't take this away from me because I know how 0:33:41.760 --> 0:33:43.840 much you love it. But what you can do is 0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:45.440 if you can sneak out and go run around and 0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:47.240 play for all those drunks down in sixth Street, you 0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:48.120 can play for Jesus. 0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:49.600 So you can go play in the church. 0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:50.560 The church. 0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:51.200 I love it. 0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:56.440 But did they let you ask grinding the church or 0:33:56.480 --> 0:34:03.680 were you just doing a straight up gospel? But who knows. 0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:07.080 I mean, the thing is that I would also think 0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:13.200 that Austin, Texas was rather open minded to different experiences. 0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:16.239 I mean I once went to a I want well no, 0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:19.839 I mean I was torn in Austin by ninety four, 0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:25.759 so he's about ten years old. So yeah, in church. Yeah, 0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:28.160 I'm just saying that by this point, like I would 0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:31.279 think that they would have been open to it. I 0:34:31.360 --> 0:34:35.279 once went to a free jazz church. What was that like? 0:34:35.480 --> 0:34:39.880 Imagine like the last the last last era of like 0:34:39.960 --> 0:34:47.719 whole Trane's life for Jesus. Yeah, okay, wow, Yeah, there 0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:49.239 is a go Go church in d C. 0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:56.560 Damn. Yeah yeah, all praise do Chuck Brown? 0:34:57.880 --> 0:35:01.759 Wow, write you know you want to go go? 0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:02.600 You know about to go go? 0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:03.480 I know a little bit. 0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:06.680 Okay, but we know. 0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:07.359 What's up down. 0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:13.040 The man's traveled the world all actually slight slight uh 0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:18.200 detour in this conversation since we're talking about Austin. All Right, 0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:22.680 you gotta you gotta put me down with what are 0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:29.280 your already two? Give me your top five barbecue joys? 0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:35.800 Ye took me in that hour? Does the name Sam's 0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:41.080 Beef mean anything to you? Okay, I'm relieved. Sam's Beef 0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:45.879 is like Austin's version of Freddy's from House of Cards. Okay, Okay, 0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:46.200 got you. 0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:49.600 It's not a chain. 0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:53.279 That's not a chain. Nah. It's just like even as 0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:56.560 even as even as uh slogan, you don't need no 0:35:56.680 --> 0:36:04.080 teeths to eat my beef, my beef, you don't need teeth. Yeah, 0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:07.200 but it's like a back porch, no need teeth, you know, 0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:09.680 flies come on and I don't even mind. You know, 0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:11.920 it's just so back. But I didn't know if that 0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:15.880 was super authentic or not, you know, I was I 0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:18.200 would like to think that it was like the authentic. 0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:20.400 Let me just ask the question that you're saying authentic. 0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:23.359 Where does Austin come in the barbecue scheme of things? 0:36:23.400 --> 0:36:26.160 When it comes to city so it's Austin, like the data. 0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:29.920 Man Dallas, I put it in Saint Louis. I think 0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:34.759 in America, Saint Louis is the barbecue rib. You know, 0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:38.759 Saint Louis is hard. It's different Kansas City though, don't well, 0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:40.640 Kansas City got smoke for Saint Louis. I don't know 0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:45.239 K's City barbecue coming from somewhere from North Carolina because 0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:47.600 barbecue is more so it's like like pool port. 0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:50.200 Like when people and run our way when they say 0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:53.640 like barbecue, they specifically mean pull pork, so like, and 0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:55.880 I'm in the eastern side of No Carolina. 0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:58.879 So for our joint, I base it's a vinegar base. 0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:01.120 So then, but when you go to the west side, 0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:03.239 like where the mountains is that they use like a 0:37:03.440 --> 0:37:05.759 tomato bass and we don't fun with them. We be 0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:15.080 like making, We're making, you know, slappy jokes barbecue, so them, 0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:17.520 but the vinegar base is good. 0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:18.040 So like. 0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:23.000 Spot, what's the what's the awesome? Give me your top five? 0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:27.440 Man Sam's Okay, I used to go to SAMs all 0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:34.399 the time. There's a spot called the barbecue that I like, Uh, 0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:40.120 Terry Blacks, Okay, there's another one. If you're going for 0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:43.719 like some fancy barbecue. It's a spot called Lamberts. I 0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:46.239 got a lot of love for them because they fed 0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:50.720 me every Thursday, gave me a couple of drinks. 0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:54.279 Uh what was that for? 0:37:57.320 --> 0:37:57.839 Let me see? 0:37:58.200 --> 0:37:58.880 Let me see, Let me. 0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:02.879 See, because it's any good because I had the Stubs right. 0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:04.760 Because I like Stubbs as a music venue. 0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:07.120 Stuff. That's because I. 0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:09.799 Went like hearing so much and I had it out 0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:11.680 the same make the barbecue sauce. 0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:16.280 Yeah, but I get the feeling that you know, Stubs 0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:20.719 and Republic and all those spots are like what for 0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:21.680 Philly cheese steaks? 0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:21.960 Like what. 0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:29.160 Cats? Yeah, like one that two hours in line. That 0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:32.360 was a long story, like two hours in line for 0:38:32.680 --> 0:38:37.600 Republic Barbecue. I thought, Man, there has to be an underground. 0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:40.640 Spot that gymstaks because it's a line. But it's some bullshit. 0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:43.640 Don't go to Philly and eat a gym, you know, 0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:46.359 but you know, you know, you've seen the rats all. 0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:49.680 If you go to Philly, you need the quest Love 0:38:49.760 --> 0:38:53.200 text message. It's like four pages long. It rates all 0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:57.160 the cheese steakery in all the Philadelphia from like from 0:38:57.200 --> 0:39:00.239 like Cobb Beefery to like get old whatever. 0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:03.319 You might get robbed at this place. 0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:04.960 Yeah, but you can only go to this place at 0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:06.640 this time because if now you might die. Like it's 0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:08.440 like that gotsha and if your white, definitely don't go 0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:09.680 to this place like it says this. 0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:11.879 Is what you said. 0:39:12.360 --> 0:39:16.120 Anybody tells you exactly what to order, order it, you 0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:17.520 should that should be your next book. 0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:19.880 I gotta give you know, I gotta keep. 0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:22.319 People safe feeling man, I'm gonna hit. 0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:24.319 You up, yeah, like gold istue peoples. But don't get 0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:27.120 this ship. You feel down, bro, because you are you 0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:28.440 are rock star skinny. 0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:31.480 I don't even think you you would throw down, but 0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:33.640 you might have a fast tabolism And it's like I 0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:35.160 get that it's got big hands. 0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:52.759 Can we At this point? Are you where you said 0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:57.400 you were fourteen? Are you even making demos or recording 0:39:57.560 --> 0:40:00.279 the like what's your songwriting process? Like are you even 0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:03.680 writing songs at this point? Or you're just playing? Like 0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:06.000 what's the music of the day? What is the music 0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:09.239 of the day if you are playing at if you're 0:40:09.280 --> 0:40:13.040 playing in a blues band in Austin, Texas, like, what 0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:16.160 are the what are the go to songs that I 0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:22.239 should know? The blues the whole genre, So everything just one. 0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:28.359 You gotta have. You gotta have a for me. It's 0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:35.600 like you gotta have a slow a slow blues, major blue, 0:40:35.719 --> 0:40:36.760 the slow minor blues. 0:40:38.760 --> 0:40:39.279 You gotta have. 0:40:40.080 --> 0:40:41.680 You gotta show uh. 0:40:42.160 --> 0:40:45.800 Red House, Yeah, Red House is something but or like 0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:48.000 something like BB King three o'clock blues? 0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:53.080 How would where would like? Something like like Pride and 0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:54.799 Enjoy by Stevie Vaughan? Where would that fall? 0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:57.400 Pride and Joy is kind of a it's kind of 0:40:57.480 --> 0:41:00.400 an unspoken rule that if you're in Austin because you 0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:01.560 don't touch. 0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:04.319 It, can can you? Can? 0:41:04.400 --> 0:41:04.440 You? 0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:06.960 Are you able to schools on Stevie at least mean 0:41:07.040 --> 0:41:11.319 personally straight up? I don't I need to know more 0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:15.000 about Stevie Rayvaughn. I know that he's a god. I 0:41:15.040 --> 0:41:17.759 don't know why he's a god or anything like. Are 0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:22.839 you able to explain what makes him god or the ship? 0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:26.800 I've never heard him be described as god. But I 0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:30.080 think the thing that that people love about Stevie Ray 0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:37.200 Vaughan is is there's this there's this kind of Americana 0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:44.759 thing about him. There's this fierce blues thing about him 0:41:44.840 --> 0:41:47.640 that you know he gives props up to Albert King 0:41:47.800 --> 0:41:50.839 and all the grace and then he's got this rock 0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:54.960 and roll fierce a thing about him. 0:41:55.000 --> 0:41:56.560 And if you if you're coming from Texas and you 0:41:56.600 --> 0:41:57.600 play guitar, man. 0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:00.720 For somebody to make it out of Austin, Texas playing guitar, 0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:03.359 it was kind of a big deal. 0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:05.160 And just tone. 0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:09.440 I think the thing that makes him the guy is 0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:13.560 the tones that he got and out of a stratocaster. 0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:18.000 You know, I don't think anybody had heard that powerful, 0:42:18.560 --> 0:42:21.320 that strong of a tone coming from from a guitar 0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:21.719 like that. 0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:22.960 I think it's been. 0:42:24.880 --> 0:42:28.960 It's just tone. I have so many I don't know. Man, no, no, no, 0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:31.040 you're doing good. You're doing good. That's that's the number 0:42:31.040 --> 0:42:31.120 of me. 0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:32.880 Yeah, that's the answer. 0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:35.200 Because I remember me and my son used trying to 0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:37.040 play Pride and enjoy it on guitar Hero. 0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:38.239 We used to suck it up on that. 0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:42.600 I was like, it's to be pretty hard, it's not easy, 0:42:42.920 --> 0:42:44.960 and he was white stayed obviously. 0:42:45.880 --> 0:42:48.560 I guess we should say that. That's what i'n get 0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:54.279 to is Okay. So when I watch when I watched 0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:57.480 cats like bb King and I mean, I'm gonna take 0:42:57.600 --> 0:43:00.239 Hendrix out the equation, we could take Hendricks out, and 0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:07.200 we could probably take in Chicago his daughters Johnny Cooker, 0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:12.359 Yeah not buddy, So all right, taking those two out. 0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:19.960 But as far as blue blues guitar are playing and 0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:25.719 it coming from it leaving the the Mississippi Delta, and 0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:33.480 like who is credited or who is the definitive electric 0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:38.320 blues guitar player? And and how can you tell who's 0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:41.840 the real deal and who's not the real deal? Like 0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:46.759 if I if I were watching BB King, all right? 0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:49.759 For example, when he does a blues he'll stick to 0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:54.480 one note, so he'll play the note, see, but he'll 0:43:54.520 --> 0:44:02.759 play various ways various like you know texters to it. Sure, 0:44:04.160 --> 0:44:08.280 but you know, I know that a lesser expert would 0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:13.880 be more impressed with speed or you know, noise and 0:44:14.080 --> 0:44:19.560 really not So how can you determine who is a 0:44:19.680 --> 0:44:25.920 righteous blues man versus here? All right? And I'm not 0:44:26.080 --> 0:44:31.839 trying to make you God, God, that's an. 0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:33.879 Interesting question because he's kind of both of them. There's 0:44:33.920 --> 0:44:35.759 like the shredder blues man and then the slow hand 0:44:35.760 --> 0:44:38.040 blues man, and I think like there's a difference. 0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:40.600 Right, So what's more important? Like no one as me 0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:43.320 as a drummer. Like you know, I'm not a gospel drummer, 0:44:44.040 --> 0:44:47.320 but people respect my slowness and my pocket right that 0:44:47.440 --> 0:44:51.000 speaks enough. But you can chops with you one, not 0:44:51.120 --> 0:44:58.960 with these bones. But no. But I'm just saying that, 0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:03.920 you know, is there for you? Is it more important 0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:10.480 for slow hand blues or is it like about shredding 0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:14.760 and volume and fullness. 0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:19.040 I think it's it goes down to does it make 0:45:20.960 --> 0:45:23.560 the hair stand up on your arms? Does it give 0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:26.759 you chills? Does it make you feel like you want 0:45:26.760 --> 0:45:28.200 to cry? Does it make you feel like you want 0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:30.320 to scream at the top of your lungs. Does it 0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:34.000 make you feel something? I think you can do both. 0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:37.400 I think you can play, you can shred and do 0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:39.640 all that, and I think you could play to the 0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:42.920 slow hand b be king thing. But when you hit 0:45:43.000 --> 0:45:48.640 it out and you feel it and and you undenially 0:45:48.719 --> 0:45:50.759 your eyes roll back in the back of your head. 0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:53.919 If if something makes me do that, I'm like, that's 0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:57.120 just what it is. That's what music is supposed to do. 0:45:57.200 --> 0:45:58.880 I don't care if you're a guitar player, don't care 0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:03.080 a drummer, don't carry you uh or whatever genre you know, 0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:04.880 if you sing a note and it's like. 0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:15.040 Whoa orgasm? Just for so, just for context, like what 0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:17.879 is so give us an example of somebody that would 0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:20.839 be considered us you said, a slow hand blues player 0:46:20.960 --> 0:46:23.680 versus like a shredder, like with a lot of decks. 0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:27.680 There a slow hand blues player. I would have to 0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:32.040 say somebody like Derek Trucks. There's somebody who plays, you know, 0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:36.440 kind of slide guitar, and he's somebody that I think 0:46:36.560 --> 0:46:40.320 is authentic when it comes down to doing it, do 0:46:40.440 --> 0:46:42.800 what it's supposed to do. On the other on the 0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:44.320 other hand, when it comes down to shred and I 0:46:44.360 --> 0:46:47.759 think Eric Gales can do that, you know, I think 0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:53.600 that he he can shred and you know people freak out, 0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:56.320 you know what I mean, and actually really feel it 0:46:56.400 --> 0:46:58.759 and not are just impressed by that super fast bro. 0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:03.640 Who's an unsung hero in your in your mind? Like, 0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:08.520 who's the guitarist that we need? You know, is a 0:47:08.640 --> 0:47:11.799 maverick but you know it hasn't either gotten a deal 0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:14.120 just wanted to stay local or just kind of behind 0:47:14.200 --> 0:47:17.480 the scenes, Like is there a guitarist that you know 0:47:17.760 --> 0:47:18.360 that's just like. 0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:22.000 Yeah, I would have to go back to Eric Gales. 0:47:22.800 --> 0:47:23.080 He did. 0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:26.200 We did a show together and he opened up for 0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:28.360 us at Austin. I was like, this is a bad idea. 0:47:31.560 --> 0:47:34.440 So is he Is he still alive or is he? Oh? 0:47:34.520 --> 0:47:36.359 Yeah, it was like two weeks ago. 0:47:37.600 --> 0:47:44.080 You know what's weird. I'll say that anytime I've even 0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:48.080 done shows with Eric Gal's on on the bill, it's 0:47:48.120 --> 0:47:50.320 weird because I feel like he has to pay his bills, 0:47:51.040 --> 0:47:55.759 like doing the Sideman stuff. Like I think, uh, wait, 0:47:55.880 --> 0:47:59.279 which is we're talking about Eric Gale, like old jazz 0:47:59.360 --> 0:48:04.680 cat Eric Eric Gils. No, he's he's from Memphis, credit Memphis. Okay, 0:48:04.880 --> 0:48:07.160 there's an Eric Kale. That's I think I'm thinking about 0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:07.840 your Areaale. 0:48:08.400 --> 0:48:10.680 We're talking about a lefty young guy who's not who 0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:11.279 you're thinking about. 0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:15.279 Yeah, No, no Eric Gale, I'm thinking about. Yes, he's 0:48:15.320 --> 0:48:20.920 a shreder. Sometimes when uh Living Color Bassis, Sugar Old Vernon, 0:48:21.600 --> 0:48:27.160 No sugar Hill Bassis. Also Doug Dog. Sometimes if Doug 0:48:27.239 --> 0:48:30.520 Wimbush is on a gig, he'll hire Eric Gils as 0:48:30.760 --> 0:48:33.480 his guitar. So back when Doug was the m D 0:48:33.680 --> 0:48:38.040 for Lauryn Hill. Like again, like I never really got 0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:43.239 to seeing him in his true context, maybe like once 0:48:43.400 --> 0:48:45.799 or twice, but normally when I see Eric Gales, he's 0:48:45.840 --> 0:48:49.520 either like backing up a rap group or doing something 0:48:49.600 --> 0:48:51.560 totally it's like he gotta pay his bills and really 0:48:51.640 --> 0:48:54.440 can't can't get loose with it. But I mean he 0:48:54.520 --> 0:48:56.319 seems happy, so you know what I mean. 0:48:56.440 --> 0:49:02.320 I mean he came through and crust. Like I was 0:49:02.400 --> 0:49:04.520 telling everybody was like, this is a terrible. 0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:13.279 When the opener crushes the headliner. No one needs that ship. 0:49:14.200 --> 0:49:18.560 Do you do you feel do you feel this unspoken 0:49:18.640 --> 0:49:26.960 pressure to live up to the myth of of obviously 0:49:27.120 --> 0:49:29.560 the Jay word, because I'm certain for a lot of people, 0:49:30.320 --> 0:49:31.240 what is it jew. 0:49:35.520 --> 0:49:40.600 Never happened, won't ever happen, You're not gonna You're not 0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:42.359 gonna live up to You're gonna happen. 0:49:42.560 --> 0:49:49.239 You're a fad ass motherfucker. Guys, Guys, Jimmy. 0:49:49.120 --> 0:49:54.000 Jimmy, yes, and when you're his house, shame shame. 0:49:54.200 --> 0:49:59.600 I'm like, you can't even me. My default was I thought, oh, 0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:04.440 guitar black guy, all right, see, let me see he 0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:07.719 rises up to the level of Jimmy. And but the 0:50:07.800 --> 0:50:14.440 thing was, it was like the way the way that 0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:17.560 you did, I just caught you on a fucking excellent 0:50:17.719 --> 0:50:21.399 night because even my guitar player his mouth was open, 0:50:21.520 --> 0:50:29.839 like you did a gig. Okay, so this is right 0:50:29.960 --> 0:50:33.439 when Doyle and show Crow were like, you gotta see 0:50:33.480 --> 0:50:36.239 this guy perform. So you weren't signed just yet. It 0:50:36.400 --> 0:50:39.960 was like a small bar. It was like a small 0:50:40.080 --> 0:50:42.000 out of the way bar in the village that you 0:50:42.160 --> 0:50:45.719 just happened to be at. I think it was valent time, 0:50:45.800 --> 0:50:48.040 so maybe it was like two thousand and nine ten, 0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:52.759 but this is just you in a trio. But it 0:50:52.960 --> 0:50:57.600 was I, you know, and I know him the king 0:50:57.719 --> 0:51:00.680 of you know, hyperbole, and oh my god, it's the 0:51:00.760 --> 0:51:03.960 next thing. But even Rolling Stone, who was with me 0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:06.960 that night, when they reviewed that show, then they were like, 0:51:07.320 --> 0:51:10.839 you know, this guy's next, and to prove it, I mean, 0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:14.160 they gave him the lead review. When I saw that 0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:21.560 the EP got the lead review and Rolling Stone, I 0:51:21.719 --> 0:51:24.959 was like, damn not since when I was ten years old. 0:51:25.800 --> 0:51:27.719 I mean I've been reading Rolling Stone like all my life, 0:51:27.760 --> 0:51:29.800 and I know the power of like the lead review. 0:51:31.000 --> 0:51:36.560 And when Prince an Unknown Prince got the lead review 0:51:36.719 --> 0:51:40.960 for a Dirty Mind four and a half, like I 0:51:41.120 --> 0:51:44.480 was like, wow, this rock magazine, which has no connections 0:51:44.520 --> 0:51:47.120 to like this isn't I want to be your lover 0:51:47.280 --> 0:51:52.240 that you know, this is like an unspoken unproven musician. 0:51:52.360 --> 0:51:54.120 They gave him the lead review, so this must be 0:51:54.200 --> 0:51:57.000 some shit. They gave you the same treatment, So I'm like, 0:51:57.200 --> 0:52:00.759 do you feel is there an unspoken pressure? Now? I 0:52:00.880 --> 0:52:04.399 must like Eric Clapton told me that I was the best, 0:52:05.840 --> 0:52:09.520 you know, modern blues guitarist that he's ever seen, and 0:52:09.800 --> 0:52:13.600 you know, for a lot of us that aren't really 0:52:14.080 --> 0:52:19.080 you know, in the vocabulary of rock music or blues, Like, 0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:22.359 is there do you feel like a pressure to live 0:52:22.480 --> 0:52:22.840 up to that? 0:52:23.080 --> 0:52:27.279 Or I don't feel any pressure. I don't feel any 0:52:27.320 --> 0:52:31.560 pressure to live up to that necessarily, but I think 0:52:31.600 --> 0:52:32.920 about it when it's brought up. 0:52:37.680 --> 0:52:39.799 How many times journalists ask you like. 0:52:42.480 --> 0:52:44.880 These types of questions like yeah, but I think the 0:52:44.960 --> 0:52:47.880 thing for me is is I've always kind of not 0:52:48.000 --> 0:52:55.200 said much about it, but to not sound cocky or 0:52:55.280 --> 0:53:00.480 not to not to sound like I know, I know 0:53:00.760 --> 0:53:02.640 that I got into this thing not to be in 0:53:02.760 --> 0:53:05.040 last place, talk to the. 0:53:06.880 --> 0:53:07.160 Nice. 0:53:08.040 --> 0:53:12.120 So yeah, I put that on myself, and regardless of 0:53:12.160 --> 0:53:16.600 what other people say, you know, I want to I 0:53:16.680 --> 0:53:19.360 want to be I want to be, you know, I 0:53:19.440 --> 0:53:21.640 want to get a chance to jam with you, you know, 0:53:21.800 --> 0:53:24.360 talking about like some real ship. I want to be 0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:29.240 with the motherfuckers doing this shit. And I'm not gonna 0:53:29.239 --> 0:53:33.520 be okay with just being like I didn't get into this. 0:53:33.680 --> 0:53:37.040 You that, okay, That's why I wanted to. I was like, okay, 0:53:37.080 --> 0:53:39.000 you definitely play like that. Then you know, some people 0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:43.560 are like, you know, man sucks, thanks anyway, but you know, 0:53:43.960 --> 0:53:47.759 just the way that you played, and again, it's like 0:53:47.920 --> 0:53:52.759 the way that blues rock has been defined and redefined. 0:53:52.880 --> 0:53:54.600 I mean it's to the point now like where we 0:53:54.840 --> 0:53:59.640 just basically thought like, okay, all guitar grids from now 0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:03.839 on are just going to be white dudes, and if 0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:06.080 a black one comes along, then you know, like oh 0:54:06.200 --> 0:54:09.080 maybe maybe not. But you know, you were definitely the 0:54:09.160 --> 0:54:11.440 real I think there was pressure also in Lenny to 0:54:11.560 --> 0:54:12.000 live up to that. 0:54:13.480 --> 0:54:15.920 When did that come into But the thing is like his. 0:54:17.719 --> 0:54:20.720 Lenny's acts work was never to that level, but because 0:54:20.760 --> 0:54:23.960 he looked the part. You know, I'm sure a lot 0:54:24.000 --> 0:54:27.959 of people expected that, you know, when really it's Craig 0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:29.560 that's the axe men of it. 0:54:29.960 --> 0:54:34.439 But you know it's I missed that on a Lenny 0:54:34.480 --> 0:54:35.280 Kravitz episode. 0:54:35.360 --> 0:54:39.040 I yeah, and plus, you know, especially with black people, 0:54:39.200 --> 0:54:42.160 I feel like a lot of our associations with rock, 0:54:42.480 --> 0:54:44.400 Like one of the one of the main reasons why 0:54:44.440 --> 0:54:47.760 I wanted to do the See with Cody was because 0:54:48.120 --> 0:54:51.399 it was a rock song that wasn't a rock song. 0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:55.320 Because half the time, it's like, you know, rappers be 0:54:55.400 --> 0:54:58.520 thinking about smells like teen Spirit, like some Headbang or 0:54:58.880 --> 0:55:05.520 or like iron Man, like that's our rock experience, and 0:55:06.200 --> 0:55:11.600 there's it's such a it's such a vast, you know, 0:55:11.760 --> 0:55:14.360 vocabulary to it that a lot a lot of the 0:55:14.400 --> 0:55:16.640 world doesn't know because a lot of us just aren't 0:55:16.719 --> 0:55:20.879 in on the playing field anymore. So do you feel 0:55:21.040 --> 0:55:23.040 do you feel see a rock tune? Is that what 0:55:23.520 --> 0:55:24.240 the stuff? 0:55:25.640 --> 0:55:25.879 Yeah? 0:55:27.160 --> 0:55:29.960 I wouldn't, but that's just why I don't know. I mean, 0:55:30.320 --> 0:55:31.960 he literally named it rock and roll. 0:55:33.400 --> 0:55:37.239 I mean, I mean good lyric but what the okay 0:55:39.160 --> 0:55:42.400 for me? For me, it was I didn't want to, 0:55:42.960 --> 0:55:45.560 you know, if we were going to go there. Like 0:55:45.640 --> 0:55:47.600 when Quincy Jones tried to get beat It out of 0:55:47.640 --> 0:55:50.759 Michael Jackson, he literally said, I want you to do 0:55:51.160 --> 0:55:54.640 your version of my Sharona and Michael was like, Okay, 0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:57.440 I'll be back in three days, and then came back 0:55:57.520 --> 0:56:00.880 with beat It, which is you you know, and and 0:56:01.480 --> 0:56:03.520 anything that Mike has done after that, you know, like 0:56:04.160 --> 0:56:12.360 the Dirty Diana like slashes everywhere to me, like I 0:56:13.239 --> 0:56:17.240 you know, I liked I like black and my favorite 0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:19.799 Rolling Stones album is probably their worst review joint, which 0:56:19.800 --> 0:56:22.799 is Black and Blue. You know. It's just like there's 0:56:22.840 --> 0:56:25.760 a certain rock that I like that's not that doesn't 0:56:25.800 --> 0:56:27.440 have twelve exclamation points behind it. 0:56:28.560 --> 0:56:30.120 So I'm a little beast of burden. 0:56:31.520 --> 0:56:35.560 That's some girls. Yeah, the Black and Blue album was 0:56:35.640 --> 0:56:37.839 like that, that was there. Okay, we're going to try 0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:40.879 and get funky a little bit, but it didn't work 0:56:40.960 --> 0:56:44.120 that way. But I like sloppy stuff, so you know, 0:56:44.440 --> 0:56:46.720 I'm a check out. I never got into the Stones 0:56:47.360 --> 0:56:48.239 the catalog like that. 0:56:48.280 --> 0:56:50.400 I know it is and don't make us feel bad 0:56:50.480 --> 0:56:51.640 just teachers, you know, sometimes. 0:56:51.400 --> 0:56:56.200 It don't you don't know, so yes, anyway, now I 0:56:56.280 --> 0:56:59.719 gotta go back to I gotta go back to what 0:57:00.200 --> 0:57:02.279 when did you first start songwriting? What was your like 0:57:02.400 --> 0:57:03.720 the first recording. 0:57:06.000 --> 0:57:10.719 My first recording was a song that I recorded with well, 0:57:10.800 --> 0:57:11.480 my friend Eve. 0:57:11.480 --> 0:57:14.880 It was called barsol blues and uh, it was just 0:57:15.040 --> 0:57:20.480 kind of a shuffle blue shuffle, and it was me, her, 0:57:20.880 --> 0:57:26.360 my cousin Ryan, and I can't remember if it was 0:57:26.440 --> 0:57:30.160 my sister playing drums or not, but play drums. Yeah, 0:57:30.240 --> 0:57:32.880 my little sister plays drums. We got she got a 0:57:33.000 --> 0:57:36.720 drum kit the same year that I got a guitar. 0:57:37.000 --> 0:57:39.960 My cousin Worm got the bass the same year, and 0:57:40.080 --> 0:57:41.880 so we all had the family band. And my sister 0:57:42.000 --> 0:57:44.440 I played keys and did all that too. So my 0:57:44.520 --> 0:57:47.240 pops would try and put us together to perform for 0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:51.400 the family, and we used to call them Joe and yeah, 0:57:51.440 --> 0:57:52.440 it was like a whole thing. 0:57:53.560 --> 0:57:55.400 Was Joe, Joseph. 0:57:57.200 --> 0:57:59.000 Or any of your sisters still involved the music? 0:57:59.480 --> 0:58:03.760 Uh, they're involved in music, but not trying to go 0:58:03.960 --> 0:58:05.600 get it like I was, you know. 0:58:06.800 --> 0:58:08.520 But yeah, So I recorded on a do you remember 0:58:08.560 --> 0:58:11.600 those little karaoke thing like a two yes, like a 0:58:12.160 --> 0:58:15.120 little Singlelodian things. So I used to record that way. 0:58:15.320 --> 0:58:18.080 So we might we put one mic in the room 0:58:18.200 --> 0:58:21.560 like hang it off the you know, the garage hanging 0:58:21.640 --> 0:58:22.920 down in the middle of the room, and so we 0:58:22.960 --> 0:58:25.760 would record and uh, since you couldn't sing it in 0:58:25.800 --> 0:58:27.480 the mic, I would go back and flip it, you know, 0:58:27.760 --> 0:58:29.880 put another tape in and put on the B side 0:58:29.960 --> 0:58:33.160 or whatever, play the thing and then sing the vocal 0:58:33.240 --> 0:58:36.040 over it and go do some overdoves and keep flipping tapes. 0:58:36.080 --> 0:58:39.480 It sounded like shit, but that was how we recorded stuff. 0:58:39.520 --> 0:58:43.760 You know, how did you how did word spread around Austin? 0:58:44.200 --> 0:58:46.000 And it is Austin the only place that you can 0:58:46.120 --> 0:58:50.160 really have reached. Are there surrounding cities in Texas that 0:58:50.280 --> 0:58:54.360 you can also have a good musical fan base? Yeah, 0:58:54.680 --> 0:59:00.160 it's awesome, just the only blue city. No, that's the 0:59:00.200 --> 0:59:00.840 load of questions. 0:59:02.960 --> 0:59:07.720 That was good. 0:59:07.880 --> 0:59:12.280 Yeah, you can go to San Antonio, the San Marcus's 0:59:12.280 --> 0:59:13.320 a couple of places to play. 0:59:13.400 --> 0:59:16.960 I went down to the Valley and played down there. 0:59:17.400 --> 0:59:18.560 Up to Dallas for worth. 0:59:19.320 --> 0:59:23.320 Uh what about Houston or yeah, you go down to Houston. 0:59:23.720 --> 0:59:26.160 The blues community is pretty small down there. So if 0:59:26.200 --> 0:59:30.720 you if there's another blues guy or another blues band 0:59:30.760 --> 0:59:33.400 on the scene, say hey, man, you need book this 0:59:33.480 --> 0:59:35.680 guy down in Texas, and there's like a whole blues 0:59:36.080 --> 0:59:38.720 society and so everyone hooks each other up. 0:59:38.800 --> 0:59:41.200 And so yeah, I would run down to Houston in 0:59:41.280 --> 0:59:42.440 Dallas with my parents and. 0:59:43.200 --> 0:59:48.760 Now, besides those cities that I named the Captain obvious ones, h, 0:59:50.360 --> 0:59:54.040 what is the rest of the Texas environment like city was, 0:59:55.240 --> 0:59:58.760 I don't really mess with it, even to this day 0:59:58.800 --> 1:00:00.640 hasn't established a cigre. 1:00:01.520 --> 1:00:04.040 I mean, you gotta get from point A to point B. 1:00:04.200 --> 1:00:05.880 But there's some places you just don't stop. 1:00:06.200 --> 1:00:09.560 Gad ass ye. I mean for the largest state in 1:00:09.640 --> 1:00:12.520 the United States, it's I don't like to know if 1:00:12.560 --> 1:00:17.560 there's more than seven cities or that are welcoming. 1:00:17.320 --> 1:00:18.200 Or you know. 1:00:19.880 --> 1:00:23.040 Look, man, anytime I'm going out west. Anytime I'm going out. 1:00:22.920 --> 1:00:29.640 West, I get stopped sweet Water, I get stopped going 1:00:29.680 --> 1:00:32.080 out Well, every time I get stopped and pulled out 1:00:32.120 --> 1:00:36.000 a car, it's a whole situation every time. Really, it's 1:00:36.160 --> 1:00:40.760 like that, and you're heading out east towards Louisiana. You 1:00:40.920 --> 1:00:44.200 don't stop. You just keep it moving, get past the bridge. 1:00:45.760 --> 1:00:47.160 Even to this day, when you get in the car, 1:00:47.320 --> 1:00:49.320 the whole goals just just make. 1:00:49.280 --> 1:00:51.320 Sure you got enough gas to get past and you 1:00:51.440 --> 1:00:52.640 just keep it moving right up. 1:00:53.120 --> 1:00:59.240 Niggas need a new green book at it. It's real now. 1:00:59.280 --> 1:01:01.520 When we went to were like like going through Texas 1:01:01.640 --> 1:01:02.080 like we had to. 1:01:02.240 --> 1:01:06.280 We stayed one night and god, rent would I want 1:01:06.320 --> 1:01:08.240 to say it was I can't remember the name, but 1:01:08.600 --> 1:01:11.920 basically it was like a hotel and a Walmart and 1:01:12.000 --> 1:01:14.760 a McDonald's and like, we didn't what. 1:01:14.880 --> 1:01:24.680 Else you need? That's a party. We stayed. We just 1:01:24.720 --> 1:01:26.440 stayed in and like I called my honger. I was like, 1:01:26.760 --> 1:01:28.439 so we in this town. She's like, oh my god. 1:01:29.120 --> 1:01:32.040 She's like no, straight up. She's like, oh no, don't 1:01:32.080 --> 1:01:34.080 suck around out there. I was like, damn, but it's 1:01:34.080 --> 1:01:34.720 still real. 1:01:35.040 --> 1:01:36.800 From somebody from Carolina, that's a big deal. 1:01:37.160 --> 1:01:42.560 Yeah, yeah, it's still real. Wow, Okay, that's what Texas 1:01:43.200 --> 1:01:44.280 they literally. 1:01:48.640 --> 1:01:50.880 Yo, you mentioned your friend Eve. This is the same 1:01:51.000 --> 1:01:53.680 Eve who had the band in the beginning, right, So 1:01:54.000 --> 1:01:56.000 do you guys still make music together or what is 1:01:56.040 --> 1:01:58.560 that with her? Because you mentioned her twice in music references. 1:02:00.040 --> 1:02:03.840 Yeah, we're still we're still cool. Actually we stopped. I 1:02:03.920 --> 1:02:05.160 got fired from her band. 1:02:07.080 --> 1:02:07.440 What you do? 1:02:07.720 --> 1:02:08.640 How she like you now? 1:02:11.200 --> 1:02:11.880 He did something? 1:02:12.080 --> 1:02:12.400 What you do? 1:02:12.800 --> 1:02:12.840 No? 1:02:12.920 --> 1:02:13.240 I didn't. 1:02:13.280 --> 1:02:17.520 I didn't do anything. They just, you know, respectfully. They Yeah, 1:02:17.560 --> 1:02:20.640 they decided that my services were no longer. 1:02:20.520 --> 1:02:21.960 Needed a lot of solo. 1:02:23.360 --> 1:02:26.040 You know, listen, listen, I'm going to ask you, because 1:02:26.040 --> 1:02:27.880 this is what I don't know about you, because at 1:02:27.920 --> 1:02:31.160 one point, at one point the guy that was hosting 1:02:31.240 --> 1:02:34.640 the party kind of looked at me like, okay, let's 1:02:34.680 --> 1:02:35.160 wrap it up. 1:02:36.520 --> 1:02:37.000 What is. 1:02:38.560 --> 1:02:42.840 No Because again I can listen to you do fourteen 1:02:42.880 --> 1:02:43.400 minutes solo? 1:02:43.520 --> 1:02:44.480 How many choruses can you? 1:02:44.680 --> 1:02:47.680 So when we're doing the blues, how long am I 1:02:47.800 --> 1:02:52.520 supposed to run through the format before I do that 1:02:52.720 --> 1:02:55.280 role where I let you know, Okay, Gary, it's time 1:02:55.360 --> 1:02:57.840 to get to the last burst of weekend? 1:02:58.080 --> 1:02:59.280 When is it not said it rude? 1:02:59.800 --> 1:03:00.240 You know what? 1:03:00.480 --> 1:03:02.440 A few years ago, you would have had to stop me, 1:03:03.800 --> 1:03:07.080 You would have had to go do that role, and 1:03:07.120 --> 1:03:09.280 I would have snapped out of it and gone, all right, 1:03:09.520 --> 1:03:12.960 let's get back into the first. A lot of times 1:03:13.000 --> 1:03:14.320 what happens when I do that is I don't know 1:03:14.400 --> 1:03:19.640 what the next verse is. Okay, so I'm just buying timeline. 1:03:19.640 --> 1:03:21.320 I don't remember the worst of my own shit. 1:03:22.240 --> 1:03:25.160 But the thing is like, I feel like you're you're 1:03:25.240 --> 1:03:29.600 not microwave. You're such a slow cook that I'm willing 1:03:29.720 --> 1:03:34.400 to give you six rounds and unspoken six rounds of 1:03:34.440 --> 1:03:37.200 stuff to let you get into it. So I never 1:03:37.400 --> 1:03:39.880 know when you've made your statement, when it's time to 1:03:40.040 --> 1:03:43.880 like in the song, right right, right, Yeah, I. 1:03:43.880 --> 1:03:44.480 Don't know either. 1:03:44.560 --> 1:03:46.360 I always feel like I can keep going. I feel 1:03:46.360 --> 1:03:48.720 like I could keep there's more, there's more, there's more, 1:03:48.800 --> 1:03:50.800 there's more. I could keep going till I pass out. 1:03:51.200 --> 1:03:57.200 But I've become more refined due to UH find and 1:03:57.360 --> 1:03:58.360 police showing up. 1:03:59.880 --> 1:04:02.200 I've come more refined. 1:04:04.920 --> 1:04:06.880 Is it the same drum cue did you give everybody? 1:04:07.040 --> 1:04:09.880 Or is that just there's a certain language that I 1:04:09.920 --> 1:04:12.680 have that the roots instantly know when it's time to 1:04:12.720 --> 1:04:15.440 wrap something up or that sort of thing. But that's 1:04:15.520 --> 1:04:17.360 only us playing together for decades. 1:04:18.920 --> 1:04:21.440 There's also the roots television fill right, which is like 1:04:21.600 --> 1:04:22.160 crank crank. 1:04:24.760 --> 1:04:26.560 I felt like I felt like he gave me one 1:04:26.560 --> 1:04:28.160 of those that the Grammacy. 1:04:30.760 --> 1:04:36.680 Like a plan because the thing was the thing was 1:04:37.360 --> 1:04:44.080 is that? Yes, shout out to Keith McPhee, the most erotic. Yeah, 1:04:44.560 --> 1:04:47.920 his his stopwatches have stopwatches. Key big Fee is the 1:04:48.000 --> 1:04:51.919 guy that right now he's planning like the Grammy jam 1:04:52.160 --> 1:04:56.120 in twenty twenty three years from now. That's that's what 1:04:56.280 --> 1:05:00.720 Keith is. So you know, in his mind, he's like, Okay, 1:05:00.920 --> 1:05:07.440 he did a one hundred and fifteen seconds. Good. You 1:05:07.520 --> 1:05:09.800 know we still got a you know, we got chucked 1:05:09.840 --> 1:05:11.240 you on the side of the stage. You ready to 1:05:11.800 --> 1:05:17.520 run the jewels anybody? And I'm trying to let Keith 1:05:17.640 --> 1:05:20.280 know that, like fine wine takes like just let. 1:05:20.200 --> 1:05:25.240 Them let orgasmo. Yeah, that's what we call it right now. 1:05:25.480 --> 1:05:27.440 But pretty much Keith's one of those guys that like 1:05:27.560 --> 1:05:29.920 lose his mind after like a three minute solo. So 1:05:30.240 --> 1:05:33.000 I have to you know, I kind of got that. 1:05:33.360 --> 1:05:35.760 I was like, all right, I'm pretty sure. 1:05:37.840 --> 1:05:39.800 What's the longest solo you have a dig I think 1:05:39.920 --> 1:05:43.520 I got clocked somewhere around twelve fourteen minutes. 1:05:43.680 --> 1:05:45.760 It's Maggot Brain. 1:05:46.560 --> 1:05:51.760 Yeah, maggot bright rock and roll. I think funk a 1:05:51.800 --> 1:05:52.520 delic is rock. 1:05:53.360 --> 1:05:57.120 Yeah, of course, absolutely true. Indeed I should have put 1:05:57.160 --> 1:06:00.760 that in earlier, but yeah, absolutely good segue. 1:06:00.880 --> 1:06:03.360 How'd you go about in terms of, like, after you're 1:06:03.360 --> 1:06:05.400 playing all these bands and like kind of doing demos 1:06:05.440 --> 1:06:08.800 and stuff, how did you go about getting your first deal? 1:06:13.360 --> 1:06:20.040 I was, I was, I was doing some shows with 1:06:20.120 --> 1:06:23.000 Doyle Bramhall. We've been doing some stuff. He give me 1:06:23.080 --> 1:06:23.439 some work. 1:06:23.480 --> 1:06:25.080 I was kind of How did you hook up with 1:06:25.440 --> 1:06:31.000 Doyle and for the listeners, Doyle bra Doyle Bramhall really, 1:06:31.840 --> 1:06:37.880 I mean, truth be told, Doyle Bramhall was or could 1:06:37.920 --> 1:06:41.360 have been. I could be stepping over my boundaries. He was. 1:06:41.760 --> 1:06:45.200 He could have been the Gary Clark Jr. Of the 1:06:45.480 --> 1:06:50.640 early nineties. He was a guy that like again Eric 1:06:50.680 --> 1:06:55.760 Clapton gave the gave the the endorsement of life, the 1:06:55.840 --> 1:07:00.120 co sign of time for Yeah, for Doyle back and 1:07:00.320 --> 1:07:04.760 like nineteen ninety one said, this guy's amazing blues guitarist, 1:07:04.800 --> 1:07:07.320 can do everything and sing and all those things. This 1:07:07.440 --> 1:07:11.479 guy's the next thing. Doyle and the Roots actually signed 1:07:11.520 --> 1:07:15.000 the gef and at the same time. And Doyle, if 1:07:15.040 --> 1:07:18.360 you're familiar with there's a film called Before the Music 1:07:18.440 --> 1:07:22.280 Dies that you should watch. Doyle's a big part of that. 1:07:22.720 --> 1:07:25.720 The guy that made that movie. The guy that made 1:07:25.760 --> 1:07:29.280 that movie really did it. Because of Doyle's situation. Doyle 1:07:29.480 --> 1:07:34.840 was supposed to be the second coming of blues guitar 1:07:34.960 --> 1:07:40.200 ology and it just didn't work out. He did draft 1:07:40.240 --> 1:07:43.520 after draft with records, and you know, he eventually got 1:07:43.600 --> 1:07:46.000 dropped by his label and then he. 1:07:46.080 --> 1:07:48.479 Had to play pay the bills. So I came mainly 1:07:48.480 --> 1:07:51.400 as a session guy. I never knew his like the mythology. 1:07:51.000 --> 1:07:52.960 Of he should have been a guy like basically it's 1:07:53.000 --> 1:07:55.320 like reverse Jimmy Hendrix. It's like if you started out 1:07:55.320 --> 1:07:58.200 as Jimmy Hendrix and just ended up playing with Little Richard, 1:07:58.600 --> 1:08:03.440 that sort of thing. But you know he he married 1:08:03.640 --> 1:08:10.800 Susannah Melbourne princess, right, So that's how we got to 1:08:10.880 --> 1:08:14.440 know him in the very short lived Edith Funker project 1:08:14.480 --> 1:08:18.360 with Erica and Susannah and Wendy and Lisa and everybody. 1:08:18.640 --> 1:08:21.200 And it was during that time, that Edith Funker period 1:08:21.280 --> 1:08:24.640 that I was asking Doyle like, well, who do you 1:08:24.760 --> 1:08:28.559 know that's like next? And that's when he first told 1:08:28.600 --> 1:08:31.760 me that, you know, kid from Austin, Gary Clark Junior. 1:08:31.920 --> 1:08:37.519 So when I think Sheryl Crow and Doyle they were 1:08:37.560 --> 1:08:40.040 torn together, told me like, you got to come and 1:08:40.080 --> 1:08:43.040 see this guy play. And it was that I think 1:08:43.080 --> 1:08:48.639 Brooklyn Bowl was the first time I seen you Ah play. 1:08:49.560 --> 1:08:51.080 I don't know, was that your own set or was 1:08:51.120 --> 1:08:55.719 that with Doyle or you know what, I don't remember 1:08:55.760 --> 1:08:57.760 how long ago. Yeah, I don't remember how honestly, So 1:08:57.840 --> 1:09:00.519 you were playing with Doyle and then how did that 1:09:00.680 --> 1:09:04.760 go lead to a label situation for you, h I 1:09:05.000 --> 1:09:06.800 was you weren't in Archangels? 1:09:06.840 --> 1:09:08.320 Were you in that band? 1:09:08.960 --> 1:09:12.120 I'm not making a joke, was he? 1:09:12.479 --> 1:09:12.519 No? 1:09:12.760 --> 1:09:12.800 You? 1:09:13.560 --> 1:09:13.760 Oh? 1:09:14.040 --> 1:09:14.080 No? 1:09:14.240 --> 1:09:18.280 I was like I was maybe, Okay, No, I wasn't. 1:09:18.400 --> 1:09:18.760 I wasn't. 1:09:18.960 --> 1:09:21.479 But you know you know about that band of course, Yeah, 1:09:22.120 --> 1:09:25.120 Charlie Sexton, Tommy Shannon, damn. 1:09:26.439 --> 1:09:26.599 Well. 1:09:26.960 --> 1:09:32.280 Yeah, So I was doing this struggling. 1:09:31.920 --> 1:09:34.400 Starving artist thing and I'm sitting there in the house 1:09:34.760 --> 1:09:36.800 full of candles, not by choice. 1:09:38.840 --> 1:09:43.559 Poorking beans in the spoon. Yep, okay there. So so. 1:09:45.160 --> 1:09:48.040 Just so happens like a little bit later, Doug gets 1:09:48.080 --> 1:09:51.880 me a calling and he says, this isn't promised, but 1:09:52.240 --> 1:09:54.439 you know, I've been talking to Clapton and I think 1:09:54.479 --> 1:09:57.040 he wants you to come out to do his Crossroads festival. 1:09:57.080 --> 1:09:59.559 And if you're not familiar, it's a big guitar or thron, 1:10:00.000 --> 1:10:02.599 A lot of guitar solos, a lot of the greats 1:10:04.760 --> 1:10:06.880 come out and they do this big festival thing and 1:10:07.160 --> 1:10:10.200 people jam at the end or whatever. And being a 1:10:10.240 --> 1:10:12.439 guitar player, I watched them, you know, the DVDs. I 1:10:12.520 --> 1:10:14.479 knew what was up, and so I was like really, 1:10:16.000 --> 1:10:18.000 and so next thing, I know, I get a letter 1:10:18.040 --> 1:10:21.240 in the mail. Cool, You're invited to come to clap 1:10:21.400 --> 1:10:23.200 and Crossroads. I get on a plane. I got like 1:10:23.320 --> 1:10:24.599 twenty dollars in my pocket. 1:10:25.080 --> 1:10:26.920 I show up there and like, what year is this? 1:10:27.040 --> 1:10:28.639 This is two thousand and ten. 1:10:28.960 --> 1:10:30.720 Oh wowka, And so. 1:10:30.920 --> 1:10:36.200 I show up, do rehearsal next time, do the show, 1:10:39.000 --> 1:10:41.880 And in the middle of the show, this whole sound 1:10:41.960 --> 1:10:44.320 goes out in Toyota Park, like the whole front of 1:10:44.400 --> 1:10:45.000 the house sound. 1:10:45.040 --> 1:10:46.880 I'm in the middle of my thing. I'm the new guy. 1:10:47.000 --> 1:10:49.760 Nobody knows who the hell I am, and I'm seeing people. 1:10:49.680 --> 1:10:56.400 Booing shit and screaming. I'm just seeing this, and Doyle goes, hey, man, 1:10:56.479 --> 1:10:58.960 the sounds out. Just keep doing anything when it come 1:10:59.000 --> 1:11:02.280 around and do this, uh you know, you come back 1:11:02.280 --> 1:11:04.200 into your verse. We're trying to work this thing out. 1:11:04.720 --> 1:11:06.719 So I'm just freaking out. Im just playing. No one's 1:11:06.880 --> 1:11:08.960 hearing me. I keep seeing this. I'm like, damn, I 1:11:09.040 --> 1:11:11.000 came all the way I hear the Chicago and fucked 1:11:11.000 --> 1:11:15.720 it up. And so it just so happens at the 1:11:15.840 --> 1:11:19.280 end of my solo where I, you know, I started 1:11:19.320 --> 1:11:21.479 wrapping it up, all the sound comes back on everybody 1:11:21.520 --> 1:11:24.240 freaks out. It becomes this huge moment. It becomes like 1:11:24.320 --> 1:11:26.439 one of the most exciting moments of the whole thing. 1:11:26.680 --> 1:11:31.120 It's not because I didn't anything epic. So anyway, I 1:11:31.160 --> 1:11:33.840 got I'm hanging out backstage. 1:11:33.920 --> 1:11:35.280 I'm like, man, this that was terrible. 1:11:35.320 --> 1:11:35.880 Blah blah. 1:11:36.760 --> 1:11:39.320 Tom Wally Andy Oliphant, who used to work at Warner 1:11:39.439 --> 1:11:42.080 at the time, approached me and gave me their business 1:11:42.120 --> 1:11:45.720 cards and said, uh, we're thinking about doing something with 1:11:45.840 --> 1:11:46.080 you know. 1:11:46.520 --> 1:11:50.080 And I did that whole thing and ran around in 1:11:50.160 --> 1:11:52.160 different spots and ended up wrong with them. 1:11:52.080 --> 1:11:52.160 And. 1:11:54.680 --> 1:11:56.960 He's not, the whole thing is different, gotcha. 1:11:58.040 --> 1:12:00.640 But yeah, so that that was that was it just 1:12:00.720 --> 1:12:03.320 being backstage thinging that was terrible And they're like, what 1:12:03.400 --> 1:12:04.880 do you think about rocking the Warner? 1:12:05.000 --> 1:12:08.720 Wow? What was that like? Like, were you apprehensive outsigning the. 1:12:08.720 --> 1:12:11.519 Deal or yeah? Of course I was a lot of vis. 1:12:14.479 --> 1:12:16.240 Did you get to talk to Clapton at all? 1:12:16.600 --> 1:12:16.640 No. 1:12:17.160 --> 1:12:19.080 I walked up to him and I was really excited 1:12:19.160 --> 1:12:21.720 and I said, hey, man, thank you for inviting me. 1:12:22.040 --> 1:12:24.759 You know, you have no idea and just go thanks 1:12:24.800 --> 1:12:28.760 for coming. Walked off in his little boat shoes and 1:12:28.800 --> 1:12:29.280 shorts and. 1:12:32.640 --> 1:12:37.000 Wow. Yeah. So when you first started recording your first record. 1:12:37.960 --> 1:12:39.840 Excuse me, what was it like going from I guess 1:12:39.880 --> 1:12:41.519 it's kind of, you know, just kind of just the 1:12:41.520 --> 1:12:44.840 shoe stream, you know, budget shit to actually now what 1:12:44.960 --> 1:12:47.679 we were able to do differently in terms of the sound. 1:12:47.840 --> 1:12:51.519 Yeah, I thought I was, but I was working with 1:12:51.960 --> 1:12:54.920 with people who I won't necessarily name, and I didn't 1:12:55.040 --> 1:12:55.240 like it. 1:12:55.640 --> 1:12:59.120 But these were producers or yeah, and I didn't. 1:12:59.360 --> 1:13:01.840 I didn't for the EP or for Black and Blue. 1:13:03.360 --> 1:13:11.280 For both, I was like real talk shots. 1:13:11.880 --> 1:13:14.560 I mean, no, no, no, it turned out to be 1:13:14.640 --> 1:13:17.360 all right, But I just I was in a place 1:13:17.400 --> 1:13:19.760 where I felt like I was free and creative and 1:13:19.840 --> 1:13:23.559 I wanted to express everything and have all my my. 1:13:25.720 --> 1:13:28.880 All my ideas fully realized. And there was this kind 1:13:28.920 --> 1:13:32.080 of like you, yeah, let's get to it. 1:13:32.320 --> 1:13:34.000 Let's do it like this way, let's get to it, 1:13:34.600 --> 1:13:37.360 you know, And I would present ideas and so that's boring. 1:13:37.439 --> 1:13:39.600 I'm like, well, only played for thirty seconds, man, let 1:13:39.680 --> 1:13:40.040 me let me. 1:13:40.080 --> 1:13:43.160 Get to the change. Yeah, And so I didn't like 1:13:43.760 --> 1:13:46.440 feeling like I couldn't move at my own pace. 1:13:46.880 --> 1:13:50.000 You know, being from Texas. If we get twenty seconds 1:13:50.080 --> 1:13:53.240 on the crosswalk, I'm taking all of them. So that 1:13:53.479 --> 1:13:56.760 was like, that was that was my mentality. But as 1:13:56.800 --> 1:13:58.720 I get older, you know, I understand and I had 1:13:58.760 --> 1:14:01.479 to learn, you know, I hadn't learn, but I was 1:14:01.600 --> 1:14:02.439 uncomfortable at first. 1:14:02.479 --> 1:14:03.000 I didn't like it. 1:14:03.120 --> 1:14:05.000 I didn't like anybody tell me what to do because 1:14:05.000 --> 1:14:07.439 I started playing music because I was the only place 1:14:07.479 --> 1:14:08.880 where nobody could tell me what to do. 1:14:10.000 --> 1:14:11.519 So I was like, well, what the hell am I doing? 1:14:11.760 --> 1:14:16.719 Yeah, music business, But you know it's all good little 1:14:16.800 --> 1:14:20.519 maturity and you know, taking a step back and understanding 1:14:20.520 --> 1:14:21.800 that it's not just about you. 1:14:22.760 --> 1:14:25.000 That was a real reality check. 1:14:25.000 --> 1:14:25.160 You know. 1:14:25.680 --> 1:14:29.200 So was Sonny Slid, the album in which you felt 1:14:29.240 --> 1:14:33.080 that you had your control in your your true voiceover. 1:14:33.880 --> 1:14:35.040 Yeah, I think so. 1:14:35.439 --> 1:14:35.599 Well. 1:14:35.640 --> 1:14:37.560 I just wanted to try it. I wanted to be 1:14:37.640 --> 1:14:39.800 able to have I wanted to be able to make 1:14:39.840 --> 1:14:41.479 an album where I'm like this, I'm. 1:14:41.360 --> 1:14:43.880 Fully responsible whether it works or not. 1:14:44.680 --> 1:14:46.960 I know what my strengths and my weaknesses are, and 1:14:47.000 --> 1:14:48.639 I've never been able to test him, and I want 1:14:48.680 --> 1:14:50.479 to do that. Like I said, I didn't get into 1:14:50.520 --> 1:14:52.599 this to be last place, and I didn't get into 1:14:52.640 --> 1:14:55.360 this to only give a quarter of what I think 1:14:55.760 --> 1:14:56.439 that I can give. 1:14:57.280 --> 1:15:01.080 So that was where that came from? How did because 1:15:01.080 --> 1:15:02.800 that's you, I from not saying that's you playing the 1:15:02.880 --> 1:15:07.560 guitar on the Fire We Make? Uh, how did that 1:15:07.640 --> 1:15:12.559 come about? Delicia Keys and Drake Record? How did that that? Uh? 1:15:12.920 --> 1:15:15.680 That was Miguel I mean not Miguel Maxwell. 1:15:16.920 --> 1:15:19.920 Maxwell. He hooked that he hooked all up or Fire 1:15:19.960 --> 1:15:23.560 We Make was at Max my band? I thought was 1:15:24.000 --> 1:15:27.519 my bad? I meant said, I mean Drake was that 1:15:27.680 --> 1:15:29.640 was the breakable right right? 1:15:29.840 --> 1:15:35.439 I don't know, I didn't I missed that. I remember 1:15:35.520 --> 1:15:35.840 being that. 1:15:36.320 --> 1:15:37.599 Yeah, how did that session come about? 1:15:38.600 --> 1:15:44.920 At least your Keys asked me to do uh an 1:15:44.960 --> 1:15:46.240 event with her, Uh. 1:15:47.080 --> 1:15:51.840 No child Alive? Wait, no child, black child left behind black. 1:15:53.680 --> 1:15:59.400 Black black, but the name of her black child and 1:15:59.400 --> 1:16:00.800 then the black blas. 1:16:02.720 --> 1:16:07.920 That's the party, but keep Alive is the organization organization? Yeah, 1:16:09.120 --> 1:16:09.720 we was all right. 1:16:11.400 --> 1:16:14.679 So we did a version of Wild my guitar gently 1:16:14.760 --> 1:16:17.800 weaves and and so we kind of linked up that way. 1:16:17.840 --> 1:16:19.200 It was pretty cool, and she asked me to be 1:16:19.280 --> 1:16:22.439 a part of this this Uh our record called me 1:16:22.560 --> 1:16:25.439 up and went up to the studio here in New York, 1:16:26.520 --> 1:16:28.960 and uh, do. 1:16:29.120 --> 1:16:31.640 People do when when guests tell you to do their 1:16:31.680 --> 1:16:35.519 record because you're You're on Donald Uh Gambino's album and 1:16:35.840 --> 1:16:37.720 your mom met So. 1:16:39.640 --> 1:16:40.559 I just was laughing at something. 1:16:40.920 --> 1:16:47.040 I'm just saying that he loves Hi Bill. How you doing, Billy? No? 1:16:48.120 --> 1:16:55.439 But is it when guests asked you to appear on 1:16:55.520 --> 1:17:00.320 their albums? Are they are they just like do you 1:17:01.240 --> 1:17:03.560 and do what you do and that's it? Or do 1:17:03.680 --> 1:17:09.559 they have like very specific uh instructions and and and. 1:17:09.640 --> 1:17:12.560 Are you all that specific instruction or do you just 1:17:12.600 --> 1:17:13.280 take the ones. 1:17:13.120 --> 1:17:13.600 To go do you? 1:17:15.439 --> 1:17:18.800 Well, I've done most sessions that I've done has been 1:17:18.920 --> 1:17:20.479 just kind of like do you. But I worked with 1:17:21.600 --> 1:17:25.640 Cody and Gambino and they're both like it goes like this, 1:17:28.280 --> 1:17:31.160 you know, and it's like I kind of put my 1:17:31.200 --> 1:17:32.559 own no, I don't do it goes like. 1:17:32.600 --> 1:17:38.880 This, Okay, yeah, I don't do that. 1:17:39.160 --> 1:17:41.040 So the solo that you played on the on the 1:17:41.280 --> 1:17:44.080 Your Mama joint like that, that's them kind of directing 1:17:44.280 --> 1:17:46.799 or is it well as much as you versus. 1:17:46.640 --> 1:17:50.880 The solo part. The solo part was was all me 1:17:51.040 --> 1:17:53.400 because you can't you can't tell me how to do 1:17:53.520 --> 1:17:58.800 that part. Damn right, that's gotta be just from the heart. 1:17:58.960 --> 1:17:59.160 Yeah. 1:17:59.720 --> 1:18:02.479 But but as far as like chord changes and things 1:18:02.560 --> 1:18:04.479 like that and a little transition chords, was like. 1:18:04.960 --> 1:18:11.240 Not that one, this one? Yep, that no perfect, you know. Yeah, 1:18:11.400 --> 1:18:13.760 so but it was cool. It's like I respect that is, 1:18:14.200 --> 1:18:16.240 I know what I want, I know what you're capable of. 1:18:16.560 --> 1:18:19.599 Let's do that, all right. 1:18:19.760 --> 1:18:22.519 I was watching your the like I guess the new 1:18:22.560 --> 1:18:25.760 ep K or the promo video that you got for 1:18:25.840 --> 1:18:28.120 the new record This Land, and it was one clip 1:18:28.160 --> 1:18:30.240 where you were playing your solo and you were solo 1:18:30.320 --> 1:18:32.160 and like in the control room, and. 1:18:33.680 --> 1:18:36.000 That's how I cut all my vocals. So I thought 1:18:36.000 --> 1:18:38.400 it was interesting. Is that how you always kind of 1:18:38.439 --> 1:18:41.160 play like just right there in the moment, like you know, 1:18:41.320 --> 1:18:43.120 like right in front of the console. 1:18:44.479 --> 1:18:44.679 Yeah. 1:18:44.800 --> 1:18:48.400 Not, it depends sometimes I will, but sometimes I like 1:18:48.479 --> 1:18:50.360 to be in the room with the band. But for 1:18:50.439 --> 1:18:53.000 that one, I just turned the amp Caesar d is 1:18:53.040 --> 1:18:57.760 one for twelve cabinet Marshall and just turn that up 1:18:57.800 --> 1:18:59.519 and just ran for the two level. God, I still 1:18:59.560 --> 1:19:01.200 want to be in there, you know. And I wanted 1:19:01.200 --> 1:19:03.519 to hear how it translates. I like to hear I 1:19:03.680 --> 1:19:05.040 was going to translate on the speakers. 1:19:05.120 --> 1:19:06.559 You know. Yeah, for the most part. 1:19:06.720 --> 1:19:08.720 With your vocal, it was one the same clip you 1:19:08.800 --> 1:19:11.320 were you were cutting your vocal, you were playing, you 1:19:11.400 --> 1:19:13.479 were singing, and you were singing like you was singing 1:19:13.520 --> 1:19:15.080 through a fifty eight through it. It's just like a 1:19:15.120 --> 1:19:17.160 regular joint. Is that what you cut most of your 1:19:17.200 --> 1:19:20.439 vocals on? Or do you do like the fancy I guess, 1:19:20.640 --> 1:19:22.360 Mike so or whatever. 1:19:22.640 --> 1:19:23.519 I've done all of it. 1:19:24.280 --> 1:19:25.679 I don't really have a preference. 1:19:28.120 --> 1:19:28.920 Is it on check? 1:19:30.000 --> 1:19:30.280 Let's go? 1:19:30.640 --> 1:19:30.840 Yeah? 1:19:30.920 --> 1:19:33.120 Is it on? Okay? Yeah? I didn't know if you 1:19:33.160 --> 1:19:35.080 had a preference for just more that kind of raw 1:19:35.520 --> 1:19:38.160 like live sounded like a you know, a smaller mic. 1:19:38.360 --> 1:19:40.960 No, I don't know the difference. What what do you use? 1:19:41.479 --> 1:19:42.599 What my personally good one? 1:19:42.880 --> 1:19:47.559 Yeah, my personal mic is it's a manly reference. It's yeah, 1:19:47.560 --> 1:19:54.479 it is. I've told you for seventy five years, never 1:19:54.560 --> 1:19:58.960 told you about about the man so mainly, I mean 1:19:59.000 --> 1:20:00.840 they're mainly known for like that outboard gear, but they 1:20:00.920 --> 1:20:01.960 make the mic and so. 1:20:02.920 --> 1:20:03.040 Uh. 1:20:03.120 --> 1:20:05.920 When I was rebuilding my studio in my crib, I 1:20:06.200 --> 1:20:10.120 bought a Norman uh the U A seven, which is 1:20:10.240 --> 1:20:13.240 like the classic mic or whatever, and so I got it, 1:20:13.280 --> 1:20:15.759 and I was just like, yo, man, this ship sound cold. 1:20:15.960 --> 1:20:17.000 This is cold as fuck. 1:20:17.040 --> 1:20:17.560 I don't like this. 1:20:18.040 --> 1:20:20.680 And so my homie, my dealer homie, he was like, well, yo, 1:20:21.120 --> 1:20:24.000 he said. The Normans are generally very cold out the box, 1:20:24.120 --> 1:20:28.800 he said, but over time, as they age, that's when 1:20:28.880 --> 1:20:31.120 they get kind of warm. I was like, nigga, I'm 1:20:31.160 --> 1:20:33.519 trying to got I'm trying to Yeah, I ain't got 1:20:33.560 --> 1:20:36.800 no time of that. I got you need. So he 1:20:36.960 --> 1:20:38.320 was like, yo, but the one you need is the 1:20:38.360 --> 1:20:41.280 manly referenced. I was like whatever, So he let me 1:20:41.360 --> 1:20:43.720 shoot out. I had like a whole like locker ship. 1:20:43.760 --> 1:20:47.280 I have a U eighty seven U sixty seven fuddled 1:20:47.520 --> 1:20:51.280 yeah man, I shout it out against U eighty seven 1:20:51.400 --> 1:20:52.200 U sixty seven. 1:20:53.120 --> 1:20:54.680 I had a ribbon mic like an r c A 1:20:54.840 --> 1:20:57.600 like the old Elvis Mike. I had that one. I 1:20:57.680 --> 1:21:01.040 had the road, which was like my for like years. 1:21:01.520 --> 1:21:03.840 I shout it out against like six seven mics. It 1:21:04.000 --> 1:21:06.680 kicked all their asses for like I mean, and it 1:21:06.760 --> 1:21:08.960 was it was like a thousand dollars cheaper than the 1:21:09.080 --> 1:21:09.639 U eighty seven. 1:21:09.680 --> 1:21:11.120 I might have to give me a manly. 1:21:12.400 --> 1:21:15.519 Reference the truth, man, But what I got I got 1:21:15.560 --> 1:21:17.320 like a little s M. Fifty eight too, like I'll 1:21:17.320 --> 1:21:19.040 cut vocals through that, which is like a shure, is 1:21:19.120 --> 1:21:21.400 just one of those. And I mean that in the 1:21:21.439 --> 1:21:23.920 clip that I saw, like from your album, it looked 1:21:23.920 --> 1:21:25.640 like you were singing in one of those, and I 1:21:25.800 --> 1:21:26.400 used that one too. 1:21:26.560 --> 1:21:29.040 I don't even did Michael Jackson record like Man in 1:21:29.040 --> 1:21:29.680 the Mirror. 1:21:29.400 --> 1:21:35.000 On fifty seven. Yeah, I'm one of those people that 1:21:35.920 --> 1:21:40.720 I've been under Suores. Uh uh what do you call 1:21:40.760 --> 1:21:43.760 it up and endorsement? Sure, for like decades now, but. 1:21:45.320 --> 1:21:49.280 You know that's over now, yeah, said the engineer. 1:21:50.120 --> 1:21:54.240 Wait we don't yeah, wow, when did we end that relationship? 1:21:58.960 --> 1:21:59.720 Can I ask a question? 1:22:00.200 --> 1:22:00.400 Sure? 1:22:00.760 --> 1:22:03.160 Carry Color Jr. You seem to be like the Roots. 1:22:03.240 --> 1:22:09.120 This weird anominally of well yeah, like Peo like fans 1:22:09.240 --> 1:22:12.960 or people playing like black music, but it appeals to 1:22:13.080 --> 1:22:18.160 white audiences and it's a rarity, like you play for 1:22:18.240 --> 1:22:20.920 Bonnarou and you play these festivals for white jam kids. 1:22:21.520 --> 1:22:24.320 That's it doesn't happen that often in the same way 1:22:24.400 --> 1:22:27.080 the Ruts, the fucking Roots played in my college. We've 1:22:27.120 --> 1:22:29.600 talked about this and my college spring fling. When I 1:22:29.680 --> 1:22:30.640 was a graduating. 1:22:33.360 --> 1:22:34.960 I loved it. Let's just go with that. 1:22:35.479 --> 1:22:35.599 Uh. 1:22:36.040 --> 1:22:38.519 But but I don't know what do you attribute that to? 1:22:38.600 --> 1:22:41.880 Because you're I mean, I find I think I have 1:22:41.960 --> 1:22:43.840 an answer, but I was wondering what your answer was. 1:22:44.160 --> 1:22:46.120 I mean, other than it's all great music, which I'm 1:22:46.120 --> 1:22:48.559 sure is an easy answer. But like, do you ever 1:22:48.600 --> 1:22:49.040 think about that? 1:22:49.400 --> 1:22:49.760 I do? 1:22:51.040 --> 1:22:56.040 Oh, well, I'm thinking about it. Certain Chappelle skit. 1:22:59.200 --> 1:22:59.840 Understandable. 1:23:00.960 --> 1:23:03.800 Oh yeah, I don't know. 1:23:04.400 --> 1:23:06.160 Just good music is good music? I mean, like it 1:23:06.280 --> 1:23:06.720 is what it is. 1:23:08.000 --> 1:23:12.760 Yeah, Well, can I ask you I'm not trying what 1:23:13.360 --> 1:23:15.960 I'm gonna add on to it? Is it harder for 1:23:16.120 --> 1:23:18.880 you now? I know that you're going in different or 1:23:19.000 --> 1:23:21.680 we should mention also that this land I forgot that 1:23:21.800 --> 1:23:26.320 much it is out right now? Is it harder for 1:23:26.479 --> 1:23:34.679 you to keep the flame alive? Uh? In which kind 1:23:34.720 --> 1:23:38.479 of the the environment of the musical environment of the 1:23:38.560 --> 1:23:42.040 youth is the kind of the exact opposite of it. 1:23:43.000 --> 1:23:47.160 Whereas you know, traditional rock was the front and center 1:23:47.760 --> 1:23:51.080 rebel music, that was the middle finger to society, where 1:23:52.160 --> 1:23:56.040 now it's almost Uh, it's kind of like a rarity 1:23:56.080 --> 1:24:01.880 where you can find quality, really good tradition on rock music? 1:24:02.960 --> 1:24:05.080 Is that hard and now I know you're going different 1:24:05.080 --> 1:24:08.439 directions with this album as well, but is it is 1:24:08.520 --> 1:24:13.840 it hard defining or or standing by your your your 1:24:13.920 --> 1:24:17.080 queen your acts in twenty nineteen. 1:24:18.439 --> 1:24:21.080 It's hard. Nah, I don't know. I wouldn't know what 1:24:21.160 --> 1:24:21.760 to do without it. 1:24:25.640 --> 1:24:35.680 Yeah, I wish you could see it. Hey, let me 1:24:35.800 --> 1:24:37.720 know when you want to do the R and B 1:24:37.920 --> 1:24:40.600 immature album I'm working on. 1:24:40.920 --> 1:24:42.120 I'm working on it right now. 1:24:42.400 --> 1:24:44.439 Man, listen, I'm on in on that. Yeah. 1:24:44.960 --> 1:24:48.000 Hell, Bill, he'll bring his manly reference and everything. 1:24:48.240 --> 1:24:50.000 Bill was the remix to your I don't know if 1:24:50.000 --> 1:24:51.640 this is the remix, but were you kind of asking like, 1:24:51.720 --> 1:24:53.200 do you do you ever feel some type of way 1:24:53.240 --> 1:24:54.840 when you look in the crowd it's not as many 1:24:54.880 --> 1:24:57.519 black people as you as maybe one would like to see. 1:24:57.640 --> 1:24:58.160 Is that like the. 1:25:00.200 --> 1:25:04.360 Question I ask? But I just interest that. 1:25:04.560 --> 1:25:07.360 That always interested me. It's why the rout issue with that. 1:25:07.479 --> 1:25:11.360 But maybe Gary does. It's different for every artist. Well, 1:25:11.520 --> 1:25:14.519 I'm sorry. Black Thought was known as having not an issue, 1:25:14.560 --> 1:25:17.400 but at times he's been known to say the more 1:25:18.760 --> 1:25:19.519 we grew up. 1:25:19.680 --> 1:25:23.200 And we grew up in the hype Williams video era, 1:25:23.640 --> 1:25:29.160 which was like the real record business budgets, and I 1:25:29.280 --> 1:25:33.160 think if you grow up with that and those images 1:25:33.200 --> 1:25:36.840 and whatnot, and you know what you're seeing on the road, 1:25:37.560 --> 1:25:41.320 you know when groupies are chasing me, it's like five 1:25:41.880 --> 1:25:44.640 five dudes at my hotel when wanting to know, like 1:25:45.840 --> 1:25:48.640 what kind of microphone does D'Angelo use? Like what he 1:25:48.800 --> 1:25:51.840 was breaking down. I've had that conversation many a time 1:25:52.080 --> 1:25:52.719 in a hotel. 1:25:52.920 --> 1:25:57.880 Like I've also seen earlier on in the Roots career. 1:25:57.920 --> 1:25:59.960 I've seen the response when you've had like an all 1:26:00.040 --> 1:26:02.040 Black grounds, like, yeah, we had all Black grounds. 1:26:02.760 --> 1:26:04.600 My point was, I've seen I've seen Gary play a 1:26:04.680 --> 1:26:06.759 number of times, and he will freak out white hippie 1:26:06.840 --> 1:26:09.040 kids in the same way he freaks out African American. 1:26:09.439 --> 1:26:13.679 It's like, and that's a rarity. I'm I'm giving that compliment, 1:26:14.439 --> 1:26:15.840 you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't you don't 1:26:15.840 --> 1:26:17.960 you see that enough? In the same way the Roots 1:26:18.280 --> 1:26:21.840 complay to all my audience and and it doesn't matter, 1:26:21.960 --> 1:26:24.200 and that I love and I feel like the ability 1:26:24.280 --> 1:26:27.640 to do that is transcendent. And I don't understand and 1:26:27.680 --> 1:26:30.320 I don't understand it, and that's my that's my question. 1:26:30.640 --> 1:26:34.360 And I was adding, is an endangered species. Do you 1:26:34.479 --> 1:26:36.080 feel some sort of way about it? 1:26:36.200 --> 1:26:39.320 But the answer is simple. Black people gave up on 1:26:39.479 --> 1:26:41.360 rock music after Living Color. 1:26:46.360 --> 1:26:53.960 Sugar Network. Yeah, Steve, you did it. Let's go, here's 1:26:54.000 --> 1:26:54.559 your theme. 1:26:54.920 --> 1:26:55.479 Say something. 1:27:03.160 --> 1:27:04.920 And then they told us Lenny didn't count. 1:27:05.880 --> 1:27:06.759 Lenny is Jewish. 1:27:07.080 --> 1:27:07.559 That's what I. 1:27:09.840 --> 1:27:09.880 Like. 1:27:10.560 --> 1:27:11.680 Lenny grab his way, you know that. 1:27:13.320 --> 1:27:16.240 Living Color and who else do we have? Well? Nothing 1:27:16.320 --> 1:27:18.080 after that. I mean we had Prince. I mean really 1:27:18.200 --> 1:27:20.080 Prince was but but did. 1:27:20.040 --> 1:27:24.800 He just cause the guitar doesn't mean yeah, he was 1:27:25.000 --> 1:27:25.200 R and. 1:27:25.320 --> 1:27:25.640 B for. 1:27:29.080 --> 1:27:34.560 He saw he was black people. The Isisley Brothers. 1:27:35.080 --> 1:27:38.280 Definitely delic So we keep it in the spirit of like. 1:27:42.960 --> 1:27:47.360 By seventy six. By seventy six, Funkadelic basically became Yeah 1:27:47.360 --> 1:27:50.960 because was a Parliament song. Yeah, I mean, you know, 1:27:51.280 --> 1:27:53.960 and GARYT Shatter himself will say that, you know, I 1:27:54.040 --> 1:27:56.720 felt that after when they making One Nation under the 1:27:56.800 --> 1:27:59.320 Groove and suddenly we just sold out and became Parliament. 1:27:59.479 --> 1:28:01.280 So I'm just saying that. 1:28:03.439 --> 1:28:05.000 Doesn't it seem like based on the Rock and Roll 1:28:05.000 --> 1:28:06.880 Hall of Fame and everything else, It depends. It depends 1:28:06.920 --> 1:28:09.559 on who you're asking what rock and roll is. Because 1:28:09.880 --> 1:28:14.160 I mean, there's a whole very derivative situation and then 1:28:14.280 --> 1:28:15.640 I don't know, it's just weird to me. 1:28:15.720 --> 1:28:18.960 The funk lineage is like outside of rock, like Princess 1:28:19.000 --> 1:28:22.559 funk and pop, you know, but more than rock. 1:28:22.640 --> 1:28:26.160 But he he's rock. I never grew printing in rock. 1:28:26.760 --> 1:28:29.160 It was probably the reason why Rolling Stone had left 1:28:29.240 --> 1:28:31.640 him off the one hundred Greatest Guitar Players, Like but 1:28:31.960 --> 1:28:36.599 in the Rock and Roll that right there, Yeah whoa, yeah, yeah. 1:28:36.600 --> 1:28:38.760 Unfair is the best? 1:28:39.040 --> 1:28:43.800 Yes, like they Rolling Stone literally forgot to list Prince 1:28:44.000 --> 1:28:46.960 in one of the the one hundred you know what saying. 1:28:48.400 --> 1:28:52.400 And thus when Prince did the my guitar gently weeps 1:28:52.720 --> 1:28:57.960 guitar solo at the that was his revenge, Like that 1:28:58.200 --> 1:29:00.160 was his like motherfuckers like. 1:29:01.720 --> 1:29:01.760 You. 1:29:02.200 --> 1:29:03.960 But I think with him though, I mean this is 1:29:04.040 --> 1:29:06.680 just I think with him, with artists like that that 1:29:06.800 --> 1:29:09.240 are just so big and just so known for so 1:29:09.360 --> 1:29:13.400 many hit records, it's hard to imagine what gets overlooked 1:29:13.439 --> 1:29:14.800 is just the musicianship. 1:29:15.040 --> 1:29:17.160 So even like with Michael Jackson, like Michael. 1:29:16.880 --> 1:29:19.680 Would say, like he would talk about Prince, he would say, well, 1:29:19.680 --> 1:29:23.080 people look at Princes as an artist, but they just 1:29:23.160 --> 1:29:24.880 look at me on the dance, dude. 1:29:25.320 --> 1:29:27.720 But Mike used to saying, it's god damn face off, 1:29:27.920 --> 1:29:28.080 you know. 1:29:28.080 --> 1:29:28.400 What I mean? 1:29:28.880 --> 1:29:31.400 Sometimes I forget that Mike is an excellent saying an 1:29:31.400 --> 1:29:33.760 extracy right, because you just see the white sox and 1:29:33.840 --> 1:29:36.360 the dances and shit that you forget that this is 1:29:36.400 --> 1:29:39.320 some real fucking musicianship going on. I feel as though 1:29:39.439 --> 1:29:42.559 Prince really took the space that the Isisley brothers had 1:29:42.760 --> 1:29:44.400 in the seventies. I can rap you on that. And 1:29:44.479 --> 1:29:47.479 it's so natural for Ernie Eisley to do a solo 1:29:49.080 --> 1:29:53.680 in the seventies, you know that, you just you never said, oh, 1:29:53.840 --> 1:29:55.320 this is not rock and roll, this is you know, 1:29:55.600 --> 1:29:56.600 it's that sort of thing. 1:29:56.760 --> 1:29:59.880 Somehow, somewhere it became harder, harder for black dozey caught 1:30:00.120 --> 1:30:00.439 and roll. 1:30:00.960 --> 1:30:03.080 Well, gar. 1:30:04.720 --> 1:30:11.600 Gary, I mean, we are older. 1:30:14.520 --> 1:30:18.720 All the time, don't worry about are not. 1:30:21.479 --> 1:30:23.720 The baby here at the kids table in my own 1:30:23.760 --> 1:30:24.200 damn house. 1:30:25.760 --> 1:30:32.120 I still Gary. So I have a somewhat relevant question. 1:30:32.200 --> 1:30:34.960 I think he was asking about his hands again. 1:30:36.120 --> 1:30:39.559 So is it is it a blessing or a curse 1:30:39.720 --> 1:30:44.600 to be grouped as a certain genre, specifically blues or 1:30:44.640 --> 1:30:45.160 blues rock. 1:30:45.240 --> 1:30:48.120 Let's say in your case, is that. 1:30:49.600 --> 1:30:52.120 Is that something that you hold up as a as 1:30:52.200 --> 1:30:56.840 a sign of pride or is that something that's that's pigeonholing? 1:30:57.320 --> 1:30:59.840 You know, I feel I feel a couple of ways 1:30:59.880 --> 1:31:01.400 of about that. When I was a kid, all I 1:31:01.439 --> 1:31:03.400 wanted to do was be a blues man. My first 1:31:03.520 --> 1:31:06.400 when I first got a guitar, I saw Steve Steve 1:31:06.479 --> 1:31:10.960 rayvonn Tribute was Eric Clapton, Buddy got bb King, Robert Cray, 1:31:11.080 --> 1:31:16.320 Bonnie Ray, a few others, and I said, I want 1:31:16.360 --> 1:31:17.760 to be a part of that thing. And so in 1:31:17.800 --> 1:31:19.920 twenty ten, when I got to be on stage with 1:31:20.000 --> 1:31:22.200 all them at the same time, I was like, it 1:31:22.320 --> 1:31:24.519 feels great to be a part of this, but it's 1:31:24.560 --> 1:31:28.240 also that other things like well I got I love 1:31:28.320 --> 1:31:30.280 being a part of this thing, but I love other 1:31:30.320 --> 1:31:33.080 stuff too, and I'd like to do all of that. 1:31:34.640 --> 1:31:36.200 So I just I just do what I do and 1:31:36.360 --> 1:31:38.040 try not to think about it. And I'm thirty four 1:31:38.120 --> 1:31:38.519 years old. 1:31:38.560 --> 1:31:41.640 Man, I got out of this, Thank you. It was 1:31:41.680 --> 1:31:42.240 getting tired. 1:31:42.920 --> 1:31:45.760 We come with this land though it ain't always true, 1:31:45.880 --> 1:31:49.600 and you're going going in different directions, like do you 1:31:49.760 --> 1:31:52.880 now feel as though I mean the way that that 1:31:53.360 --> 1:31:55.559 the times are defined now is just to be fluid, 1:31:56.160 --> 1:32:01.799 like non defined. And the new records, yeah, graduation. 1:32:02.320 --> 1:32:05.800 Yeah, I think that that I've always wanted to kind 1:32:05.840 --> 1:32:09.320 of do that. I mean, Quincy Jones is idle than me. 1:32:09.520 --> 1:32:13.120 Been trying to get rid of the genres and all 1:32:13.200 --> 1:32:14.280 that for a long time. 1:32:14.400 --> 1:32:18.120 And and uh, when I heard Wu Tang spitting over 1:32:18.240 --> 1:32:20.760 Albert Kinglis, I was like, I can do whatever I want. 1:32:22.040 --> 1:32:23.360 Yeah, I was gonna ask you about that because you 1:32:23.439 --> 1:32:26.800 talked about in your in the promo for the new record, 1:32:27.080 --> 1:32:29.680 you talk about like your hip hop influences, Like what 1:32:29.920 --> 1:32:30.040 was this? 1:32:30.280 --> 1:32:31.840 What was some of the hip hop stuff you listened to? 1:32:34.640 --> 1:32:39.519 I mean when I was I guess nine, ten, eleven, twelve, 1:32:40.320 --> 1:32:42.519 I wasn't allowed to listen to hip hop, but my 1:32:42.880 --> 1:32:47.400 buddy Grant would make me tapes put different titles. 1:32:47.040 --> 1:32:57.679 On it, and your parents, yes, why did exactly? 1:32:59.000 --> 1:33:03.839 So I was listening to uh like d MX Snoop 1:33:05.800 --> 1:33:11.080 Warren g Uh, bone thugs in Harmony. 1:33:13.479 --> 1:33:20.920 Bone Thugs in Harmony, never singing harmony. He's right, they 1:33:21.000 --> 1:33:23.240 are both totally correct. 1:33:23.280 --> 1:33:25.400 I never thought about that the US cross. 1:33:25.160 --> 1:33:28.720 There were no harm totally right, totally right. I never 1:33:28.760 --> 1:33:30.000 thought about that play. 1:33:30.680 --> 1:33:31.439 Did you have you have? 1:33:31.560 --> 1:33:31.760 Y'all? 1:33:32.040 --> 1:33:33.680 I saw I was just reading something where you did 1:33:33.720 --> 1:33:35.880 something with bun Be. But have your text is like 1:33:36.280 --> 1:33:39.599 the MCS kind of embraced you in that way from yeah, 1:33:39.720 --> 1:33:41.519 because I'm thinking about I'm thinking about Scarface. I don't 1:33:41.520 --> 1:33:43.759 want to say Austin, so I think, yeah. 1:33:45.439 --> 1:33:51.360 Guitar lessons. Yet I forgot about his guitar. 1:33:52.720 --> 1:33:55.000 I saw him. I went to go see him in 1:33:56.360 --> 1:33:58.800 d C. And I didn't know he played guitar. So 1:33:58.880 --> 1:33:59.719 he came on with a guitar. 1:34:00.120 --> 1:34:02.280 What Oh, DC will let him play whatever he wants to. 1:34:02.600 --> 1:34:10.200 Yeah, so but yeah, so yeah ghetto, Yeah, switch your house, 1:34:10.479 --> 1:34:10.640 you know. 1:34:13.040 --> 1:34:13.080 So. 1:34:13.600 --> 1:34:15.120 I spent a lot of time listening to that. 1:34:16.400 --> 1:34:18.519 But I love the production stuff, you know, the production 1:34:18.680 --> 1:34:22.720 side of it, you know from Swiss and Dre and 1:34:23.080 --> 1:34:26.760 you know the whole you know. I mean, I'm sitting 1:34:26.800 --> 1:34:28.240 here what you got, But I got to give it 1:34:28.320 --> 1:34:31.200 up to the roots for production and musicality. 1:34:30.640 --> 1:34:31.640 In that, you know what I mean? 1:34:31.760 --> 1:34:31.960 Like that. 1:34:33.439 --> 1:34:36.040 That made it to me. It's like this all goes together, 1:34:36.360 --> 1:34:37.000 you know what I mean? 1:34:37.080 --> 1:34:38.320 And I can. 1:34:38.400 --> 1:34:39.439 I want to be a part of that too. I 1:34:39.479 --> 1:34:41.479 want to do that too. I love being a blues man, 1:34:41.520 --> 1:34:44.400 but like this ship is tight, you know what I mean? 1:34:44.479 --> 1:34:46.679 Like I want to get into this too and figure 1:34:46.720 --> 1:34:47.120 it all out. 1:34:47.200 --> 1:34:50.439 So I want to put the n PC underneath everything 1:34:50.479 --> 1:34:53.519 and put the guitars and live instrumentation on top of. 1:34:53.560 --> 1:34:56.280 It, and and use all the colors, you know what 1:34:56.320 --> 1:34:58.000 I mean. Do you like jazz? 1:35:06.680 --> 1:35:06.880 Yeah? 1:35:07.080 --> 1:35:11.560 I love jazz. I listened to a good amount of it. 1:35:13.439 --> 1:35:14.679 Never try to touch it really. 1:35:14.600 --> 1:35:19.519 Though, So what what is what is your go to listening? 1:35:20.439 --> 1:35:21.720 So what's on my playlist? 1:35:22.120 --> 1:35:22.280 Uh? 1:35:23.720 --> 1:35:23.880 Sir? 1:35:24.160 --> 1:35:31.880 I guess yeah? Yeah, John Battis's latest one, Yeah, lm A. 1:35:32.080 --> 1:35:32.840 Have been listening to. 1:35:34.840 --> 1:35:37.880 Up Yeah, don't do All because the second tripping sound 1:35:37.880 --> 1:35:43.240 like boot Up Okay. 1:35:44.800 --> 1:35:46.880 And I've been listening to Sammy Davis Jr. 1:35:50.640 --> 1:35:53.280 One right, there's another Sammy Davis Jr. 1:35:54.200 --> 1:35:56.559 There's a younger person that named himself Sam David Junior. 1:35:56.560 --> 1:35:58.200 So I'm just trying to make sure I wasn't confused. 1:35:58.240 --> 1:36:00.439 Well, you're talking about the candy Man the can. 1:36:02.960 --> 1:36:06.320 That would be, but some is it because for the 1:36:06.439 --> 1:36:08.280 junior thing like the connection. 1:36:11.000 --> 1:36:17.960 Anywhere, But I was I came across a performance of him. 1:36:19.560 --> 1:36:24.880 Doing mister bo Jangles and uh and my son really 1:36:25.000 --> 1:36:26.960 loved it and so he started singing it around the 1:36:27.040 --> 1:36:28.599 house and I was like, well, let's just get into 1:36:28.680 --> 1:36:30.080 Sammy Davis Junior together. 1:36:30.200 --> 1:36:32.000 So that's been our musical. 1:36:32.439 --> 1:36:33.959 That is the Beauty Discovery. 1:36:34.160 --> 1:36:36.200 Yeah, so that's what happened. 1:36:36.360 --> 1:36:38.560 I need to movies to get into those episodes on 1:36:38.640 --> 1:36:40.679 the Coxtables. I can't even say the show. 1:36:40.760 --> 1:36:41.880 No more on the. 1:36:44.680 --> 1:36:47.320 Okay, on The Cosby Show because Sammy Davis Junior had 1:36:47.360 --> 1:36:49.000 some really great cameos. 1:36:48.800 --> 1:36:51.160 But I doubt you will find that anywhere. Yeah. 1:36:51.560 --> 1:36:54.080 Yeah, Tap he was really good in the movie Tap 1:36:54.479 --> 1:36:56.880 Tap was hard Ship with Gregory High. 1:37:00.080 --> 1:37:00.240 Yeah. 1:37:02.080 --> 1:37:04.120 The JT song that the title. 1:37:03.920 --> 1:37:06.680 Song, will take It was j T and Regina Bell 1:37:06.960 --> 1:37:09.040 and it was not make it like it was, but 1:37:09.280 --> 1:37:12.760 it was sorry. Yeah. Yeah, JT's back cooling game. 1:37:12.920 --> 1:37:17.280 So that see Gary, this is when forty celebrated. 1:37:18.840 --> 1:37:23.080 Yeah, this is this nigga. We're falling. The eyes is back. 1:37:23.080 --> 1:37:25.679 I'm with it, Okay, Gary Clark has James and he's fine. 1:37:26.240 --> 1:37:31.120 So yeah, I'm also wrapping. I understand, I gotta wrap 1:37:31.160 --> 1:37:32.439 this up to bed. 1:37:32.960 --> 1:37:36.479 Yeah, who's not going to I'm going to go to bed. 1:37:36.720 --> 1:37:38.439 Yeah, I do too, Billy Steve gotta go to bed. 1:37:38.520 --> 1:37:41.440 Sounds like a movie Washington. 1:37:42.040 --> 1:37:43.280 In the early early morning. 1:37:43.520 --> 1:37:47.920 Yeah, anyway, Bill and Steve could have been to do anyway. 1:37:48.080 --> 1:37:52.200 My second bar Mitzvah hosted book and what is uh 1:37:52.960 --> 1:37:53.479 your your? 1:37:53.840 --> 1:37:55.559 What are you playing on the rest of your year? 1:37:55.680 --> 1:37:56.920 Being in twenty nineteen? 1:37:58.120 --> 1:38:00.719 The rest of twenty nineteen is tour forever. 1:38:01.840 --> 1:38:04.000 That's a good thing. I'm trying to work like you man, 1:38:04.120 --> 1:38:06.599 that's yes, that's a good thing. That's an awesome thing. 1:38:06.800 --> 1:38:08.680 Yeah, it's a blessed How do you balance it out 1:38:08.680 --> 1:38:10.600 with your with your boys and your know what? 1:38:10.960 --> 1:38:11.800 What the kids? 1:38:11.840 --> 1:38:14.960 A boy girl, boy girl. Okay, I'm just gonna awfully 1:38:15.120 --> 1:38:16.760 you just bring them out with me with you. 1:38:16.800 --> 1:38:17.160 That's dope. 1:38:17.320 --> 1:38:18.160 I'm trying to get to that. 1:38:18.640 --> 1:38:18.840 You know. 1:38:20.560 --> 1:38:26.760 It's a family. So yeah, that's what. We'll just be 1:38:26.840 --> 1:38:27.639 out there everywhere. 1:38:28.479 --> 1:38:30.960 Cool. Well, we thank you for coming on the show, sir. 1:38:31.240 --> 1:38:35.320 Yes, man, I'm so happy to learn that your R 1:38:35.320 --> 1:38:38.520 and B dude like like R and B arm like greasy. 1:38:38.240 --> 1:38:40.160 R and B, like your R and B record. I 1:38:40.240 --> 1:38:44.360 want to on it like, let's do like some divince dope. 1:38:45.080 --> 1:38:48.479 Garrett Clark, I might have to get it. You gotta 1:38:48.520 --> 1:38:49.000 standing there. 1:38:50.120 --> 1:38:55.360 Make sure you caught the land first land. That was 1:38:55.439 --> 1:38:56.960 Jamison that hit me with them. 1:38:57.439 --> 1:38:58.160 Isn't it beautiful? 1:39:02.600 --> 1:39:06.960 Anyway? On behalf of Unpaid Bill and Sugar Steve of 1:39:07.040 --> 1:39:16.360 the Sugar Steve Network, aren't jazz guitarist? And Boss Bill 1:39:16.439 --> 1:39:18.840 is getting angry? Bill? We love you man, Sorry, look 1:39:18.880 --> 1:39:20.160 with love. What your bathroom? 1:39:20.800 --> 1:39:20.880 Now? 1:39:20.920 --> 1:39:22.400 You're gonna be a nigga doing renovations? 1:39:23.920 --> 1:39:25.840 Finished, Matt finished, Gary. 1:39:25.640 --> 1:39:27.360 We thank you for coming on the sales, coming on. 1:39:28.160 --> 1:39:30.519 Let's see you all in the next round. Of course, 1:39:30.600 --> 1:39:45.200 loved Supreme, see all later, coust Love Supreme. It's a 1:39:45.240 --> 1:39:49.200 production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode was produced by the 1:39:49.280 --> 1:39:56.960 team at Mandora. For more podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit 1:39:57.040 --> 1:40:00.240 the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or where whever you 1:40:00.320 --> 1:40:01.439 listen to your favorite shows.