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Speaker 1: Guest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic

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Speaker 1: episode was produced by the team at Pandora.

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Speaker 2: This is Sugar Steve and on this week's QLs Classic

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Speaker 2: Austin Rocker and ax Man. Gary Clark Junior brings blues

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Speaker 2: rock center stage in twenty nineteen as he joins Team

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Speaker 2: Supreme to talk about his journey from booking gigs at

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Speaker 2: fourteen to collaborating with The Rolling Stones and Eric Clapton,

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Speaker 2: and his new album This Land, originally released March six,

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 3: Sma Supremo Ro Suprema Supremo, Roll Call Suprema Sun Supremo,

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Speaker 3: Roll Call Supremo role.

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Speaker 1: Calls, loves my name, Yeah, that you can trust. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I love all my friends.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Who don't throw me under the plus.

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Speaker 5: Supremo Supremo Roll Call Supremack Supremo.

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Speaker 1: Role My name is Fante. Yeah. I don't want no drama. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm just here to talk about the night I met

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Speaker 1: your mama.

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Speaker 3: Supremo Roll Call Suprema Sun Sun Supremo.

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Speaker 6: Role call.

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Speaker 7: My name is Sugar, Yeah, Sugar Steve for the wind.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do you hear your training coming?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: When your train pulls in.

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Speaker 5: Supprimo, Supremo, Supremo, Supremo roll call bill Yeah, not counting Pathos.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, should have divorced. Yeah, Jeff Bethos, Supremo, y.

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Speaker 4: Supremo, roll call Supremo Supremo roll call.

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Speaker 9: It's like em Yeah, that's right. I'm flossing. Yeah, because

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Speaker 9: now I know. Yeah, a black man from Austin.

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Speaker 5: Roll call Supremo Supremo, roll call, Supremo Supremo roll.

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Speaker 6: Call on g c J. Yeah, from the at X, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: with Quest and Crew. Yeah, and I don't know what's

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Speaker 6: nice roll car.

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Speaker 4: Supremo Supremo, roll call, Supremo, Supremo, role called Suprema some

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Speaker 4: Supremo role called Suprema son something Supremo role.

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Speaker 1: Car nice, Yeah, smooth, witty, nice smooitie man dropped fold

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Speaker 1: yeah real nice.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: But he's Russian but still not a bad.

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Speaker 1: Better than a lot. Yeah. Yeah, he ringed up there.

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Speaker 1: You know you did it effortlessly.

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Speaker 6: I appreciate that.

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Speaker 7: So I did Hendricks Clark mash up.

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Speaker 1: Yes, deep cuts, I get it, deep cuts. And we're

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Speaker 1: in the house. Of course, I'm gonna sugar work. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is the Sugar Network edition. Of course, love supreciate

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Speaker 1: where we at se No, run your own show, bro,

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Speaker 1: I'm just here for a punch. I'm still under the bus, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm still under the bus. You weren't talking about me, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you don't even know what's going on.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's cool this sugar Steve and we're here at

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Speaker 7: Electrically Studios.

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Speaker 1: That's right. We are anything else, No like for somebody

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Speaker 1: who let's move it, okay, living anyway, My role call

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Speaker 1: was the ship.

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Speaker 8: It was it was It was like it was like

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Speaker 8: you were great many let like an onion, many levels.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, we might as well just start now because

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Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna play this about twenty eleven times.

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Speaker 9: Damns.

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Speaker 1: All right, yeah, step mother, is.

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Speaker 9: You sound y'all? Sounds so good?

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Speaker 1: Oh man, are you background?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's just a mere plugging on that ship.

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Speaker 1: Well done. So that was just me. It sounds great

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Speaker 1: when I walked into the room, h unpaid Bill. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when he's not teaching Grover to curse on Sesame Street.

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Speaker 1: And you gotta explain to you what was that? I

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Speaker 1: think y'all did that on purpose. I heard it both ways, though,

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Speaker 1: like I heard what it was supposed to be. It was,

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Speaker 1: what was the thing this is the red dress blue? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like whatever that was Willow Yann Yanny Laua, Yeah that

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Speaker 1: Yanny verse is Laurel what exactly he was said, I.

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Speaker 8: I don't I didn't see it, but I was told

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Speaker 8: by my girlfriend who's the boss, that they watched it

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Speaker 8: like a hundred times, and and everybody bought the fact

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Speaker 8: that he didn't. He did not say what everybody thinks.

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Speaker 1: He said, wait, wait, she's literally the boss.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Oh damn ye, my girlfriend she is my boss. She

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Speaker 8: is she's the boss. Wow, it's tough, man tough. It

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Speaker 8: used to be she wasn't the boss, and then like

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Speaker 8: in the last year, she became the boss. And I'm

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Speaker 8: not sure how I feel about that. I'm formulating the

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Speaker 8: opinions speak.

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Speaker 1: It's love on the street. Yeah, love on the street. No,

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Speaker 1: but you you were saying that you were about to

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Speaker 1: have a get rebar mitzvad Oh.

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Speaker 8: So for those that follow on the on the Instagram,

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Speaker 8: he is constantly the host of various rap events, US events,

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Speaker 8: various events. He's like the m of mcs. And I thought,

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Speaker 8: since I'm gonna get bar Missov again that he could

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Speaker 8: m see the Barns.

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Speaker 1: For the second time, it's like you and is this

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Speaker 1: like a recircumcision as well? Yeah, okay, like they're all

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Speaker 1: the same things. I gotta read it or okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I may excuse myself from the circumcision part.

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Speaker 8: I understand.

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Speaker 1: But but you know, but up until that, up until

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Speaker 1: the cutting, I'm there. I'm your guy.

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Speaker 8: Tonight, we're enjoying whiskey with each other, and it's wonderful.

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Speaker 8: I feel like we don't do this enough.

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Speaker 1: We don't. I just want to see how far I

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Speaker 1: can get without even introducing our guests. Was trying to

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Speaker 1: segue into our guests because I brought in some that

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Speaker 1: he liked. He has an intro, but I'm just saying that.

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Speaker 1: You know, we usually just wrap a little bit for

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Speaker 1: like minutes. The Sugar networks much more organized. I get

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Speaker 1: a mess man, you know how I do, especially when

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Speaker 1: Boston Building here. Yeah, I know, my feet, my nikes

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Speaker 1: are up on the fact. I'm gonna eat some grapes

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Speaker 1: right now, all the exactly.

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Speaker 9: Usually I'm just cool.

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Speaker 1: I'm just where's that boys coming from? There's somebody here.

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Speaker 1: I love when Bill's not here so I can just

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Speaker 1: violate all the rules. Oh and you brought the ear

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Speaker 1: rings back the earrings.

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Speaker 9: Don't get me.

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Speaker 1: I love the ear rings. A great edit job, bill out,

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Speaker 1: Yes he did, he edited, he edited a lot out. Okay,

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Speaker 1: roll out this rolls roll them out, Red car, Come on,

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Speaker 1: all right, we have a black man from Austin, Texas.

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Speaker 1: Time time out. Austin is officially my second favorite place

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Speaker 1: on earthly know that, what is it? I just like

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Speaker 1: my requirements for city are you know. I don't have

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Speaker 1: the same standards that other people do. Okay, Uh, if

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Speaker 1: the record shopping is good, the food truck activity is

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Speaker 1: good there, that's all I mean.

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Speaker 9: If we was legal, but you know, make certain compromises.

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Speaker 1: It's about to be coming.

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Speaker 8: It's coming out in as.

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Speaker 1: We had a good time, you know. And I actually

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Speaker 1: believe that perhaps the the idea potus that might get

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Speaker 1: the votes for the Democrats, or I believe that you

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Speaker 1: think he is from I think he's the figure that

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Speaker 1: will do it. Why are you speaking in code? Because

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Speaker 1: you know then I don't want to get pinned down

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Speaker 1: Jesus exactly. Not, I mean not yet. You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying right now, as it's looking there's a strong

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Speaker 1: possibility bet speak much more openly anyway, my second is

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Speaker 1: my second He's from my second favorite city. Uh in

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Speaker 1: the US and the world. He's been doing it to death. Yes,

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Speaker 1: deaf d e a f because his guitars allowed uh

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Speaker 1: since the age of twelve their bad point of here No, seriously,

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Speaker 1: in the tradition of of of the great journeyman bluesman

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Speaker 1: such as James Marshall, Hendrix, Buddy Guy, Muddy Waters, all

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Speaker 1: the Kings, BB King, Albert King, Freddy King, Uh you

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Speaker 1: know Hallan Wolf, Yes, all the Kings, our guests. Gary

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Speaker 1: Clark Jr. Has been making believers of the traditional rock

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Speaker 1: and roll sound with his major debut U and the

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Speaker 1: EP Bright Light TP and the Black and Blue, which

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Speaker 1: was released in twenty twelve. I've seen the man myself.

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Speaker 1: I've played with him a few times. But you know

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Speaker 1: I can attest that, uh, the future of of just

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Speaker 1: jaw dropping ax work is definitely good hands. Lady and Joeman,

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Speaker 1: please welcome to Quest Love Supreme, the one and knowing

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Speaker 1: Gary Clark.

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Speaker 6: I appreciate that I might need that as my alarm.

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Speaker 1: I'll do so. Tell me about Austin. Were you were?

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Speaker 1: You born in Austin, Texas?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, born and raised in Austin, Texas.

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Speaker 1: All right, now I have this romantic, you know, vision

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Speaker 1: of the town and whatnot, like food trucks, food trucks

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Speaker 1: and records music. What was it like pre gentrification? What

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Speaker 1: was it like? Damn? For those that don't know, Clark

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Speaker 1: gave a look. So tell me what's the what's the

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Speaker 1: deal with Austin?

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Speaker 6: Like?

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Speaker 1: What was growing up in Austin like? For me?

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Speaker 10: I grew up south side of Austin, a little spot

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Speaker 10: called Oakhill neighborhood.

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Speaker 6: I guess you called it somewhat of a suburb.

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Speaker 1: I guess the south side of the suburb.

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Speaker 10: No, I mean yeah, I guess you could say that

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Speaker 10: there's a bunch of houses with schools and parks and

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Speaker 10: ok uh, but uh, it wasn't directly right in the city,

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Speaker 10: you know what I mean? But you know, pretty pretty normal,

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Speaker 10: of a little bit, riding bikes, sports out of the woods,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, fairly normal, Yeah, somewhat somewhat normal. I mean it's Texas,

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Speaker 6: the south, so there's a little bit of that.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, I was going to say the one,

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Speaker 1: the one, the one physical trait that you have that's

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Speaker 1: the opposite of all the great axemen of history is

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Speaker 1: you're tall. Yeah, I'm up here, man, You're very tall.

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Speaker 1: Like all the great acts men, I feel like, you know,

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Speaker 1: like maybe that's their entry into you know, this makes.

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Speaker 7: Up for well I never heard I never thought about hype.

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Speaker 7: But but Hendrix was short.

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Speaker 11: I mean it's about I mean, I've heard about having

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Speaker 11: big hands where that can.

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Speaker 9: Finish it, finish it, finish it be extremely help. Thank you.

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Speaker 7: You're supposed to be doing this.

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Speaker 11: An advantage, no, I mean probably for other instruments too,

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Speaker 11: but having having large hands would make playing an instrument easier.

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Speaker 6: I would know. This is all I got.

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Speaker 11: I haven't been looking at your hands. I mean, you're

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Speaker 11: but he's just a tall person, so his hands are

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Speaker 11: probably tall.

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Speaker 10: Nice King Albert King six four, he is, he's a

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Speaker 10: big Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't yeah, okay.

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Speaker 6: In the Kings, but yeah, man, growing up in Austin

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Speaker 6: was nothing.

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Speaker 1: What was your family situation into I grew up uh.

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Speaker 6: In the house with three sisters, mom and pops. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: boy right in the middle.

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Speaker 1: Oh, okay, the only boy, the only boy. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: what did your what did your folks do? Musicians as well?

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Speaker 10: Now, well, my pops eat. I love my pops, but yeah,

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Speaker 10: he you know, he plays a little bit. I actually, uh,

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Speaker 10: you know, when I started realizing what was happening, he

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Speaker 6: Yeah, my mom, she's been helping me out for a

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Speaker 10: The moment that made me I saw Michael Jackson five okay,

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Speaker 9: Cheryl Crow, Michael Jackson.

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Speaker 6: I can't stop loving you.

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Speaker 1: But I felt like, you know, like you went through

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Speaker 8: I think he sings like he plays the guitar. Like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which started first for you? Did you start playing

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Speaker 6: I started singing first, Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 10: My sister started coming home with trophies for singing competitions

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Speaker 10: So I'm three and a half years younger than my

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Speaker 1: Like ten years. Okay, cool. Yeah, So the older one,

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Speaker 10: Could sing great. She's you know, you can play piano

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 6: That was quiet practice.

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Speaker 1: That's right. She can't be a music nerd and a

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Speaker 6: I was like a Dalmatian, great dang PUPPI es tall

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Speaker 7: But your hands are so big.

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Speaker 1: She's a dunkey.

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Speaker 6: I got a nice fifteen foota though, in case stop me.

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Speaker 9: Niggah, that would be well that yeah, you're right, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Do you anyway? Where were we? Okay? So just from

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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's why I thought I was gonna you know,

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Speaker 6: I thought I was gonna be a singer in an

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Speaker 10: I had a group with this guy Robbie called Young

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Speaker 7: Like an SNL skit like Ary Clark, We're in it was.

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Speaker 6: It was terrible, but we loved it.

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Speaker 1: You know, who were y' all kind of modeling yourself

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Speaker 6: You wanted to be boys to man as yet all

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Speaker 9: Man, mister you know wow, all the groups singing blackbery

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Speaker 1: That was my joint.

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Speaker 6: And I had that guitar in it too, and I

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Speaker 1: I could be.

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Speaker 9: That was mistering me playing the guitar, played guitar.

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Speaker 12: He was acoustic. He was like the knockoff baby Face. Well,

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Speaker 12: I mean but the niggas.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but the niggas, I thought, big face like

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Speaker 1: everybody else. Baby Face started his baby face. Remember he

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Speaker 9: Yeah, supreme rabbit hole Gary in my back.

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Speaker 11: Wait wait, so that was literally the video is literally

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Speaker 1: That video you're just referenced, No no.

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Speaker 10: No, Tito Jackson watching old videotapes and tr Jackson mayde

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Speaker 1: Yeah wait, you said you broke your dad. Uh you

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Speaker 1: can tell similar to Tito Jackson, there was no repercussions though, right,

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Speaker 1: Uh not like that. Okay, okay, so uh that's singing.

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Speaker 1: But when you were so what you were twelve when

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Speaker 1: you first started playing guitar or yeah, so what was

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Speaker 1: your first what was the first acts that you got?

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Speaker 10: I got an ivan as RX twenty like a black

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Speaker 6: Guitar amp from Walmart or something and plugged in.

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Speaker 1: And everyone starts with the the department story like it

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Speaker 1: all your stuff, Like you learned to play, you pretty

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Speaker 6: I no, no, not really. I started listening to the

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Speaker 10: My dad said, if you want to play guitar for really,

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Speaker 10: you got to listen to Eric Clapton in Santana.

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Speaker 6: So he dropped off some records in my room and

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Speaker 6: said good luck with that. Do that do your homework too?

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Speaker 1: But with that really, So, what were the first records

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Speaker 1: do you remember purchasing?

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Speaker 6: My first album that I remember purchasing was Immature?

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Speaker 1: Wow? Which one right now, dude, yoc? Which which alpum was?

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Speaker 1: Which one was it?

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Speaker 6: Which the one with I Feel the Funk?

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Speaker 1: Feel the Funk? We heard that come out ninety five.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say they sampled us. That was

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Speaker 1: the first time we got sampled Mature. Sample one of

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Speaker 1: the one of them joints, one of them joints sounds

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Speaker 1: from Solid Treatment. Wow. Matter of fact, they did too,

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Speaker 1: because the drums was sound Treatment. But they took the

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Speaker 9: I don't know if it was the intention and you

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Speaker 12: Okay, let me be good. Okay, So this is Gary Club, Jim.

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Speaker 12: Do you remember do you remember when Immature came back.

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Speaker 1: As I am X.

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Speaker 9: Yeah? I did what a different member or something?

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Speaker 12: No, it was the same three niggas, but it was

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Speaker 12: it was like yeah, because they had that jam and

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Speaker 12: they did a cover that. She did a cover of

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Speaker 12: Love Me in a Special Way on that album that

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Speaker 12: was like pretty.

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Speaker 1: Good markets straight up, Yeah, that asked, But I had

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Speaker 1: that album?

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Speaker 6: Had I had that album?

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Speaker 1: You're my favorite R and B fan of all time?

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Speaker 1: For real? Your R and B knowledge puts me to shame.

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Speaker 9: Like Mark, if Markey Houston knew that Gary Clark Jr.

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Speaker 9: Like was it? That's just I just don't think he

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that was That was the first record I bought.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's crazy.

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Speaker 8: All the men man, you wanted to say like Phoebe King,

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Speaker 8: Robert Johnson, He's like nah, no, eat.

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Speaker 1: So at what point, at what point do you consider

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Speaker 1: the genesis of where you are right now in your career? Like,

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Speaker 1: at what point are you who's putting you on to

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Speaker 1: uh Electric Lady Land, who's putting you on to the

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So assuming that, assuming that, I mean, I'm assuming that

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Speaker 1: you Jimmy von Cat right, that was?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Well that all happened. I lived down the street

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Speaker 6: She came out and was like, ah, she came.

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Speaker 1: I told her.

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Speaker 6: So she was playing guitar like a year before me and.

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Speaker 10: Her dad worked on video games and he would put

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Speaker 10: And so when he was working on him, he had

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Speaker 10: him in the garage and they had a basketball go

442
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 10: so all the kids from the neighborhood would go over

443
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 10: there and play arcade games, you know, and you start

444
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 10: hooping or whatever, and then uh, you've had.

445
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: A band and it was like.

446
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 10: A three piece band, her and a couple of other girlfriends,

447
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 10: and they would be playing this rock and roll stuff,

448
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 10: and you know, she had a black stratocaster and a

449
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,959
Speaker 10: Fender twid Hunter white ant well you know, the red

450
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 10: knobs on it. And I thought it was the coolest

451
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 10: thing ever, you know what. So I'm playing basketball and

452
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 10: I'm hearing this. So I ended up getting interested in, like, uh,

453
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 10: what she was doing. It was just like the coolest

454
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Speaker 10: thing in the neighborhood. So I just I just became

455
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Speaker 10: interested in that.

456
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Speaker 1: You know.

457
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 10: I've been listening to my boys to men and working

458
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 10: on my dance steps and writing my you know, my

459
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 10: R and B hits and then I was like, you know,

460
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 10: let me see what's happening over here. So that's seeing

461
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 10: her having a guitar and thinking about Tito Jackson how

462
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 10: much I love that.

463
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: And you know, uh, it's the first time in which

464
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 1: you know, someone's making the Jackson's reference with.

465
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Speaker 9: And he really deserves it because people don't be picking

466
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 9: them up as much as they should.

467
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 10: Yeah, so it was all that kind of all that

468
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 10: kind of went together. And I remember that they had

469
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 10: that Jackson movie, The American dream.

470
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 12: Man Listen that is a classic watching every all four

471
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 12: like that one in the Temptations movie Bussy TV exactly.

472
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 10: So they they had a they had a soundtrack for

473
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 10: that and at one point they had a live version

474
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Speaker 10: of them doing Who's Loving You?

475
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Speaker 6: Who's Loving You? But they but they did uh Isaac

476
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 6: Hayes walking by, and so Tito's playing out.

477
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: Jermaine is also, let it be noted, Jermaine is killing

478
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: that baseline. So that's weird. That affected me as a

479
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: as a sampler that was a well known public enemy sample. Yeah,

480
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: so that's how I got, you know, into that, But

481
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: you just hearing it first generation without even the references.

482
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: That's crazy that you picked up on that.

483
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 10: Yeah, I was like, man, this is this all goes together.

484
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 10: I'm gonna start hanging out down the street and you

485
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 10: figured out how to play this guitar.

486
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 9: Man.

487
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: Wow. Babyface was also in the audience that night. He

488
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: mentioned that on the show, I'm gonna do a lot

489
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Speaker 1: of references to pass that. Yeah, I'm awn reference center.

490
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 9: By the way, two short parents were accountants as well.

491
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 9: I'm just I'm going with the thing.

492
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I know, I know that you weren't built

493
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Speaker 1: over night. So how many hours do you recommend it

494
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: took you to really really master I mean, because I

495
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: mean at the rate where Rolling Stones declaring you as

496
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:20,959
Speaker 1: Operation Next and the future and yes you you definitely

497
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: have the chaps for that ship. Like I was, again,

498
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: jaw drop, like, how what was your practice technique?

499
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 6: Like my practice technique was I quit going to school hours,

500
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 6: you know what, I just quit.

501
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 10: I would show up the first period and someone would

502
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 10: be like, hey, man, let's go play guitar.

503
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 6: I got some herb and we just dipped, you know,

504
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 6: and we would just you know, I was introduced to

505
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 6: Grateful Dead and and.

506
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 10: You know, people had Muddy Waters Records, and it was

507
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 10: just I would just go do that instead of doing

508
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 10: my school work.

509
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: Austin started changing.

510
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 10: Okay, so all day. You know, when I got to

511
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 10: be about fourteen. I played my first gig in ninety eight.

512
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 10: It was sophomore in high school. I guess, and I mean,

513
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 10: you know what it is like. You start getting gigs

514
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 10: and then it becomes you get one gig, two gigs

515
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 10: three four nights a week, five nights, so that's one

516
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 10: nights a week, four hours.

517
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: That's where the domino started. That's that's from fourteen on.

518
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 6: From fourteen on, that was it.

519
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 9: And your parents was cool.

520
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 6: They was like, okay, they were okay with it.

521
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 10: They were okay with it until I started getting phone

522
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 10: calls from the school true where I.

523
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 9: Was, because fourteen is the beginning of high school. So

524
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 9: it's like what you do?

525
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was there, and then I just ghosted wow.

526
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: Or did you like get it?

527
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 6: I ended up finished.

528
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 10: I had to do Saturday, I had to do after school,

529
00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 10: I had to go before, I had to do all

530
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 10: that stuff I had in completing my junior year of

531
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 10: high school.

532
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 6: Because I lost it. I was They used to call

533
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 6: me hot wire.

534
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 10: I used to take my parents' cars, sneak out in

535
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 10: the middle of the night, go down to the clubs.

536
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: This is what we want to know. Wait a minute,

537
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: you were hot? Are your parents card?

538
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 6: They called me how Ward. I just used to have

539
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 6: the key.

540
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: Put it, put it down the streets. Better nickname than keys. Yeah, yeah, right, yeah,

541
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: I mean having once. You know, shame on me doing

542
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: it twice though. Kick on the bell.

543
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 10: Now, this happened multiple times. This is three four times

544
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 10: a week. Get out and go to the club.

545
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: Oh, you would get away with it.

546
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 6: I would get I would sneak out of the window.

547
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 6: How about the window, and I would.

548
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 10: Wait till my post would be sitting He would be

549
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 10: watching Star Trek or something, and he would start to

550
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 10: fall out.

551
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,479
Speaker 9: Is it because they were too busy looking at the girls?

552
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 9: I don't know what he but your sisters I met

553
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 9: that in that way. Sorry, your sister's like they.

554
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: Say electric blue.

555
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 7: Or something like that.

556
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 9: I just meant, how did you get past them?

557
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: But I was just there focusing on the girls. Your sisters.

558
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was always upstairs playing guitar.

559
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: You were good at it.

560
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 6: I was good.

561
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: I was.

562
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 9: I was on mind at school.

563
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was moove with it. But you know I

564
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 6: popped in one time.

565
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: Where would you go?

566
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 10: I would go to a spotle joe Gan, Eric Ball,

567
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 10: go to Anton's. I'll go to my friend's houses and

568
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 10: we would you know, they would have house parties and

569
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 10: bands would be playing, would be DJs.

570
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 6: So you know, I might not have been able to go,

571
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 6: but I made myself able to go.

572
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: I would they normally have given you permission to play

573
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: these parties or was it like okay, no, no, based

574
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: on this is the wrong crowd, or based on like

575
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: are they seeing you and knowing that, oh, he's going

576
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: to be our future. I'm not saying that every son

577
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: has to, you know, do that for his parents, but no.

578
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 6: Not at all. It was it was a distraction.

579
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 9: You know.

580
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 10: I started, you know, I'm sneaking out, I'm leaving the house,

581
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 10: I'm smoking weed all the time, I'm stealing the car.

582
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 13: They don't they can't find it in your best life, Yeah, exactly,

583
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 13: you know what I mean.

584
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 10: I'm getting calls from the school, I'm not present, you know,

585
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 10: all this type of stuff. And so now they weren't

586
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 10: really with it at all, you know, but my mom

587
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 10: made a compromise with me. She was like, look, I

588
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 10: can't take this away from me because I know how

589
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 10: much you love it. But what you can do is

590
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 10: if you can sneak out and go run around and

591
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 10: play for all those drunks down in sixth Street, you

592
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 10: can play for Jesus.

593
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: So you can go play in the church.

594
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 6: The church.

595
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 9: I love it.

596
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: But did they let you ask grinding the church or

597
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: were you just doing a straight up gospel? But who knows.

598
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is that I would also think

599
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: that Austin, Texas was rather open minded to different experiences.

600
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: I mean I once went to a I want well no,

601
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: I mean I was torn in Austin by ninety four,

602
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: so he's about ten years old. So yeah, in church. Yeah,

603
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that by this point, like I would

604
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: think that they would have been open to it. I

605
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: once went to a free jazz church. What was that like?

606
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: Imagine like the last the last last era of like

607
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: whole Trane's life for Jesus. Yeah, okay, wow, Yeah, there

608
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: is a go Go church in d C.

609
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 9: Damn. Yeah yeah, all praise do Chuck Brown?

610
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: Wow, write you know you want to go go?

611
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 6: You know about to go go?

612
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: I know a little bit.

613
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 9: Okay, but we know.

614
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 6: What's up down.

615
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: The man's traveled the world all actually slight slight uh

616
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: detour in this conversation since we're talking about Austin. All Right,

617
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta put me down with what are

618
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 1: your already two? Give me your top five barbecue joys?

619
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: Ye took me in that hour? Does the name Sam's

620
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: Beef mean anything to you? Okay, I'm relieved. Sam's Beef

621
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 1: is like Austin's version of Freddy's from House of Cards. Okay, Okay,

622
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: got you.

623
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 7: It's not a chain.

624
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: That's not a chain. Nah. It's just like even as

625
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: even as even as uh slogan, you don't need no

626
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: teeths to eat my beef, my beef, you don't need teeth. Yeah,

627
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: but it's like a back porch, no need teeth, you know,

628
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: flies come on and I don't even mind. You know,

629
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: it's just so back. But I didn't know if that

630
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: was super authentic or not, you know, I was I

631
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: would like to think that it was like the authentic.

632
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 9: Let me just ask the question that you're saying authentic.

633
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 9: Where does Austin come in the barbecue scheme of things?

634
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 9: When it comes to city so it's Austin, like the data.

635
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: Man Dallas, I put it in Saint Louis. I think

636
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: in America, Saint Louis is the barbecue rib. You know,

637
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: Saint Louis is hard. It's different Kansas City though, don't well,

638
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: Kansas City got smoke for Saint Louis. I don't know

639
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: K's City barbecue coming from somewhere from North Carolina because

640
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: barbecue is more so it's like like pool port.

641
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 12: Like when people and run our way when they say

642
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 12: like barbecue, they specifically mean pull pork, so like, and

643
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 12: I'm in the eastern side of No Carolina.

644
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: So for our joint, I base it's a vinegar base.

645
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: So then, but when you go to the west side,

646
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: like where the mountains is that they use like a

647
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: tomato bass and we don't fun with them. We be

648
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: like making, We're making, you know, slappy jokes barbecue, so them,

649
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: but the vinegar base is good.

650
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 6: So like.

651
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: Spot, what's the what's the awesome? Give me your top five?

652
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 10: Man Sam's Okay, I used to go to SAMs all

653
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 10: the time. There's a spot called the barbecue that I like, Uh,

654
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 10: Terry Blacks, Okay, there's another one. If you're going for

655
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 10: like some fancy barbecue. It's a spot called Lamberts. I

656
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 10: got a lot of love for them because they fed

657
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 10: me every Thursday, gave me a couple of drinks.

658
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 6: Uh what was that for?

659
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: Let me see?

660
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 6: Let me see, Let me.

661
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: See, because it's any good because I had the Stubs right.

662
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 6: Because I like Stubbs as a music venue.

663
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: Stuff. That's because I.

664
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 9: Went like hearing so much and I had it out

665
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 9: the same make the barbecue sauce.

666
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I get the feeling that you know, Stubs

667
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: and Republic and all those spots are like what for

668
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: Philly cheese steaks?

669
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 9: Like what.

670
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: Cats? Yeah, like one that two hours in line. That

671
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: was a long story, like two hours in line for

672
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: Republic Barbecue. I thought, Man, there has to be an underground.

673
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 9: Spot that gymstaks because it's a line. But it's some bullshit.

674
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 9: Don't go to Philly and eat a gym, you know,

675
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 9: but you know, you know, you've seen the rats all.

676
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 8: If you go to Philly, you need the quest Love

677
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 8: text message. It's like four pages long. It rates all

678
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 8: the cheese steakery in all the Philadelphia from like from

679
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 8: like Cobb Beefery to like get old whatever.

680
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: You might get robbed at this place.

681
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, but you can only go to this place at

682
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 8: this time because if now you might die. Like it's

683
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 8: like that gotsha and if your white, definitely don't go

684
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 8: to this place like it says this.

685
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: Is what you said.

686
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 8: Anybody tells you exactly what to order, order it, you

687
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 8: should that should be your next book.

688
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: I gotta give you know, I gotta keep.

689
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 6: People safe feeling man, I'm gonna hit.

690
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: You up, yeah, like gold istue peoples. But don't get

691
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: this ship. You feel down, bro, because you are you

692
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: are rock star skinny.

693
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 9: I don't even think you you would throw down, but

694
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 9: you might have a fast tabolism And it's like I

695
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 9: get that it's got big hands.

696
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: Can we At this point? Are you where you said

697
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: you were fourteen? Are you even making demos or recording

698
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: the like what's your songwriting process? Like are you even

699
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: writing songs at this point? Or you're just playing? Like

700
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: what's the music of the day? What is the music

701
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: of the day if you are playing at if you're

702
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: playing in a blues band in Austin, Texas, like, what

703
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: are the what are the go to songs that I

704
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: should know? The blues the whole genre, So everything just one.

705
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 6: You gotta have. You gotta have a for me. It's

706
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 6: like you gotta have a slow a slow blues, major blue,

707
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 6: the slow minor blues.

708
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: You gotta have.

709
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 6: You gotta show uh.

710
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 10: Red House, Yeah, Red House is something but or like

711
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 10: something like BB King three o'clock blues?

712
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: How would where would like? Something like like Pride and

713
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: Enjoy by Stevie Vaughan? Where would that fall?

714
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 10: Pride and Joy is kind of a it's kind of

715
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 10: an unspoken rule that if you're in Austin because you

716
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 10: don't touch.

717
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: It, can can you? Can?

718
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 9: You?

719
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: Are you able to schools on Stevie at least mean

720
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: personally straight up? I don't I need to know more

721
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: about Stevie Rayvaughn. I know that he's a god. I

722
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: don't know why he's a god or anything like. Are

723
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: you able to explain what makes him god or the ship?

724
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 10: I've never heard him be described as god. But I

725
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 10: think the thing that that people love about Stevie Ray

726
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 10: Vaughan is is there's this there's this kind of Americana

727
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 10: thing about him. There's this fierce blues thing about him

728
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 10: that you know he gives props up to Albert King

729
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 10: and all the grace and then he's got this rock

730
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 10: and roll fierce a thing about him.

731
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 6: And if you if you're coming from Texas and you

732
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 6: play guitar, man.

733
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 10: For somebody to make it out of Austin, Texas playing guitar,

734
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 10: it was kind of a big deal.

735
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: And just tone.

736
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 10: I think the thing that makes him the guy is

737
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 10: the tones that he got and out of a stratocaster.

738
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 10: You know, I don't think anybody had heard that powerful,

739
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 10: that strong of a tone coming from from a guitar

740
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 10: like that.

741
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 6: I think it's been.

742
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: It's just tone. I have so many I don't know. Man, no, no, no,

743
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: you're doing good. You're doing good. That's that's the number

744
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: of me.

745
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the answer.

746
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 12: Because I remember me and my son used trying to

747
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 12: play Pride and enjoy it on guitar Hero.

748
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: We used to suck it up on that.

749
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 12: I was like, it's to be pretty hard, it's not easy,

750
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 12: and he was white stayed obviously.

751
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: I guess we should say that. That's what i'n get

752
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: to is Okay. So when I watch when I watched

753
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: cats like bb King and I mean, I'm gonna take

754
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: Hendrix out the equation, we could take Hendricks out, and

755
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: we could probably take in Chicago his daughters Johnny Cooker,

756
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: Yeah not buddy, So all right, taking those two out.

757
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: But as far as blue blues guitar are playing and

758
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: it coming from it leaving the the Mississippi Delta, and

759
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: like who is credited or who is the definitive electric

760
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 1: blues guitar player? And and how can you tell who's

761
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: the real deal and who's not the real deal? Like

762
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: if I if I were watching BB King, all right?

763
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: For example, when he does a blues he'll stick to

764
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: one note, so he'll play the note, see, but he'll

765
00:43:54,520 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: play various ways various like you know texters to it. Sure,

766
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: but you know, I know that a lesser expert would

767
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: be more impressed with speed or you know, noise and

768
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: really not So how can you determine who is a

769
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: righteous blues man versus here? All right? And I'm not

770
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: trying to make you God, God, that's an.

771
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 8: Interesting question because he's kind of both of them. There's

772
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 8: like the shredder blues man and then the slow hand

773
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 8: blues man, and I think like there's a difference.

774
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: Right, So what's more important? Like no one as me

775
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 1: as a drummer. Like you know, I'm not a gospel drummer,

776
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 1: but people respect my slowness and my pocket right that

777
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: speaks enough. But you can chops with you one, not

778
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: with these bones. But no. But I'm just saying that,

779
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, is there for you? Is it more important

780
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: for slow hand blues or is it like about shredding

781
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 1: and volume and fullness.

782
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 10: I think it's it goes down to does it make

783
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 10: the hair stand up on your arms? Does it give

784
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 10: you chills? Does it make you feel like you want

785
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 10: to cry? Does it make you feel like you want

786
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 10: to scream at the top of your lungs. Does it

787
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 10: make you feel something? I think you can do both.

788
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 10: I think you can play, you can shred and do

789
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 10: all that, and I think you could play to the

790
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 10: slow hand b be king thing. But when you hit

791
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 10: it out and you feel it and and you undenially

792
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 10: your eyes roll back in the back of your head.

793
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,919
Speaker 6: If if something makes me do that, I'm like, that's

794
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 6: just what it is. That's what music is supposed to do.

795
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 10: I don't care if you're a guitar player, don't care

796
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 10: a drummer, don't carry you uh or whatever genre you know,

797
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 10: if you sing a note and it's like.

798
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: Whoa orgasm? Just for so, just for context, like what

799
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 1: is so give us an example of somebody that would

800
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: be considered us you said, a slow hand blues player

801
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: versus like a shredder, like with a lot of decks.

802
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 10: There a slow hand blues player. I would have to

803
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 10: say somebody like Derek Trucks. There's somebody who plays, you know,

804
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 10: kind of slide guitar, and he's somebody that I think

805
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 10: is authentic when it comes down to doing it, do

806
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 10: what it's supposed to do. On the other on the

807
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 10: other hand, when it comes down to shred and I

808
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 10: think Eric Gales can do that, you know, I think

809
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 10: that he he can shred and you know people freak out,

810
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 10: you know what I mean, and actually really feel it

811
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 10: and not are just impressed by that super fast bro.

812
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: Who's an unsung hero in your in your mind? Like,

813
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: who's the guitarist that we need? You know, is a

814
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: maverick but you know it hasn't either gotten a deal

815
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: just wanted to stay local or just kind of behind

816
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: the scenes, Like is there a guitarist that you know

817
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: that's just like.

818
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would have to go back to Eric Gales.

819
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 6: He did.

820
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 10: We did a show together and he opened up for

821
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 10: us at Austin. I was like, this is a bad idea.

822
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: So is he Is he still alive or is he? Oh?

823
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was like two weeks ago.

824
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: You know what's weird. I'll say that anytime I've even

825
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: done shows with Eric Gal's on on the bill, it's

826
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: weird because I feel like he has to pay his bills,

827
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: like doing the Sideman stuff. Like I think, uh, wait,

828
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: which is we're talking about Eric Gale, like old jazz

829
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: cat Eric Eric Gils. No, he's he's from Memphis, credit Memphis. Okay,

830
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: there's an Eric Kale. That's I think I'm thinking about

831
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: your Areaale.

832
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 8: We're talking about a lefty young guy who's not who

833
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 8: you're thinking about.

834
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, no Eric Gale, I'm thinking about. Yes, he's

835
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: a shreder. Sometimes when uh Living Color Bassis, Sugar Old Vernon,

836
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: No sugar Hill Bassis. Also Doug Dog. Sometimes if Doug

837
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: Wimbush is on a gig, he'll hire Eric Gils as

838
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: his guitar. So back when Doug was the m D

839
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: for Lauryn Hill. Like again, like I never really got

840
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: to seeing him in his true context, maybe like once

841
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: or twice, but normally when I see Eric Gales, he's

842
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: either like backing up a rap group or doing something

843
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: totally it's like he gotta pay his bills and really

844
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: can't can't get loose with it. But I mean he

845
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: seems happy, so you know what I mean.

846
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 6: I mean he came through and crust. Like I was

847
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 6: telling everybody was like, this is a terrible.

848
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 8: When the opener crushes the headliner. No one needs that ship.

849
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: Do you do you feel do you feel this unspoken

850
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: pressure to live up to the myth of of obviously

851
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: the Jay word, because I'm certain for a lot of people,

852
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 1: what is it jew.

853
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 8: Never happened, won't ever happen, You're not gonna You're not

854
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 8: gonna live up to You're gonna happen.

855
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: You're a fad ass motherfucker. Guys, Guys, Jimmy.

856
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 9: Jimmy, yes, and when you're his house, shame shame.

857
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, you can't even me. My default was I thought, oh,

858
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: guitar black guy, all right, see, let me see he

859
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: rises up to the level of Jimmy. And but the

860
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: thing was, it was like the way the way that

861
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: you did, I just caught you on a fucking excellent

862
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 1: night because even my guitar player his mouth was open,

863
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 1: like you did a gig. Okay, so this is right

864
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,439
Speaker 1: when Doyle and show Crow were like, you gotta see

865
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: this guy perform. So you weren't signed just yet. It

866
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: was like a small bar. It was like a small

867
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: out of the way bar in the village that you

868
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: just happened to be at. I think it was valent time,

869
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: so maybe it was like two thousand and nine ten,

870
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: but this is just you in a trio. But it

871
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: was I, you know, and I know him the king

872
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: of you know, hyperbole, and oh my god, it's the

873
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: next thing. But even Rolling Stone, who was with me

874
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: that night, when they reviewed that show, then they were like,

875
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: you know, this guy's next, and to prove it, I mean,

876
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: they gave him the lead review. When I saw that

877
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: the EP got the lead review and Rolling Stone, I

878
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,959
Speaker 1: was like, damn not since when I was ten years old.

879
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: I mean I've been reading Rolling Stone like all my life,

880
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: and I know the power of like the lead review.

881
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: And when Prince an Unknown Prince got the lead review

882
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: for a Dirty Mind four and a half, like I

883
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: was like, wow, this rock magazine, which has no connections

884
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: to like this isn't I want to be your lover

885
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:52,240
Speaker 1: that you know, this is like an unspoken unproven musician.

886
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: They gave him the lead review, so this must be

887
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: some shit. They gave you the same treatment, So I'm like,

888
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: do you feel is there an unspoken pressure? Now? I

889
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 1: must like Eric Clapton told me that I was the best,

890
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: you know, modern blues guitarist that he's ever seen, and

891
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: you know, for a lot of us that aren't really

892
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, in the vocabulary of rock music or blues, Like,

893
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 1: is there do you feel like a pressure to live

894
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: up to that?

895
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 10: Or I don't feel any pressure. I don't feel any

896
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 10: pressure to live up to that necessarily, but I think

897
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 10: about it when it's brought up.

898
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: How many times journalists ask you like.

899
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 10: These types of questions like yeah, but I think the

900
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 10: thing for me is is I've always kind of not

901
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 10: said much about it, but to not sound cocky or

902
00:52:55,280 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 10: not to not to sound like I know, I know

903
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 10: that I got into this thing not to be in

904
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 10: last place, talk to the.

905
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: Nice.

906
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 10: So yeah, I put that on myself, and regardless of

907
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 10: what other people say, you know, I want to I

908
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 10: want to be I want to be, you know, I

909
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 10: want to get a chance to jam with you, you know,

910
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 10: talking about like some real ship. I want to be

911
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 10: with the motherfuckers doing this shit. And I'm not gonna

912
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 10: be okay with just being like I didn't get into this.

913
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: You that, okay, That's why I wanted to. I was like, okay,

914
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: you definitely play like that. Then you know, some people

915
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: are like, you know, man sucks, thanks anyway, but you know,

916
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: just the way that you played, and again, it's like

917
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: the way that blues rock has been defined and redefined.

918
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: I mean it's to the point now like where we

919
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: just basically thought like, okay, all guitar grids from now

920
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: on are just going to be white dudes, and if

921
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: a black one comes along, then you know, like oh

922
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: maybe maybe not. But you know, you were definitely the

923
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: real I think there was pressure also in Lenny to

924
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: live up to that.

925
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 9: When did that come into But the thing is like his.

926
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 1: Lenny's acts work was never to that level, but because

927
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: he looked the part. You know, I'm sure a lot

928
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,959
Speaker 1: of people expected that, you know, when really it's Craig

929
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: that's the axe men of it.

930
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:34,439
Speaker 9: But you know it's I missed that on a Lenny

931
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 9: Kravitz episode.

932
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: I yeah, and plus, you know, especially with black people,

933
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of our associations with rock,

934
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: Like one of the one of the main reasons why

935
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,760
Speaker 1: I wanted to do the See with Cody was because

936
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 1: it was a rock song that wasn't a rock song.

937
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 1: Because half the time, it's like, you know, rappers be

938
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: thinking about smells like teen Spirit, like some Headbang or

939
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: or like iron Man, like that's our rock experience, and

940
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: there's it's such a it's such a vast, you know,

941
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: vocabulary to it that a lot a lot of the

942
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: world doesn't know because a lot of us just aren't

943
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 1: in on the playing field anymore. So do you feel

944
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: do you feel see a rock tune? Is that what

945
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:24,240
Speaker 1: the stuff?

946
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 9: Yeah?

947
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 8: I wouldn't, but that's just why I don't know. I mean,

948
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 8: he literally named it rock and roll.

949
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean good lyric but what the okay

950
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: for me? For me, it was I didn't want to,

951
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, if we were going to go there. Like

952
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: when Quincy Jones tried to get beat It out of

953
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, he literally said, I want you to do

954
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: your version of my Sharona and Michael was like, Okay,

955
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: I'll be back in three days, and then came back

956
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: with beat It, which is you you know, and and

957
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: anything that Mike has done after that, you know, like

958
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: the Dirty Diana like slashes everywhere to me, like I

959
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 1: you know, I liked I like black and my favorite

960
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: Rolling Stones album is probably their worst review joint, which

961
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 1: is Black and Blue. You know. It's just like there's

962
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,760
Speaker 1: a certain rock that I like that's not that doesn't

963
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: have twelve exclamation points behind it.

964
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 6: So I'm a little beast of burden.

965
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: That's some girls. Yeah, the Black and Blue album was

966
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 1: like that, that was there. Okay, we're going to try

967
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 1: and get funky a little bit, but it didn't work

968
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: that way. But I like sloppy stuff, so you know,

969
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,720
Speaker 1: I'm a check out. I never got into the Stones

970
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: the catalog like that.

971
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 9: I know it is and don't make us feel bad

972
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 9: just teachers, you know, sometimes.

973
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: It don't you don't know, so yes, anyway, now I

974
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: gotta go back to I gotta go back to what

975
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: when did you first start songwriting? What was your like

976
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:03,720
Speaker 1: the first recording.

977
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 6: My first recording was a song that I recorded with well,

978
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 6: my friend Eve.

979
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 10: It was called barsol blues and uh, it was just

980
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 10: kind of a shuffle blue shuffle, and it was me, her,

981
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 10: my cousin Ryan, and I can't remember if it was

982
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 10: my sister playing drums or not, but play drums. Yeah,

983
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 10: my little sister plays drums. We got she got a

984
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 10: drum kit the same year that I got a guitar.

985
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 10: My cousin Worm got the bass the same year, and

986
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 10: so we all had the family band. And my sister

987
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 10: I played keys and did all that too. So my

988
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 10: pops would try and put us together to perform for

989
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 10: the family, and we used to call them Joe and yeah,

990
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 10: it was like a whole thing.

991
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: Was Joe, Joseph.

992
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 9: Or any of your sisters still involved the music?

993
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 6: Uh, they're involved in music, but not trying to go

994
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 6: get it like I was, you know.

995
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 10: But yeah, So I recorded on a do you remember

996
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 10: those little karaoke thing like a two yes, like a

997
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 10: little Singlelodian things. So I used to record that way.

998
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 10: So we might we put one mic in the room

999
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 10: like hang it off the you know, the garage hanging

1000
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 10: down in the middle of the room, and so we

1001
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 10: would record and uh, since you couldn't sing it in

1002
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 10: the mic, I would go back and flip it, you know,

1003
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 10: put another tape in and put on the B side

1004
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 10: or whatever, play the thing and then sing the vocal

1005
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 10: over it and go do some overdoves and keep flipping tapes.

1006
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 6: It sounded like shit, but that was how we recorded stuff.

1007
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: You know, how did you how did word spread around Austin?

1008
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: And it is Austin the only place that you can

1009
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: really have reached. Are there surrounding cities in Texas that

1010
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: you can also have a good musical fan base? Yeah,

1011
00:58:54,680 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: it's awesome, just the only blue city. No, that's the

1012
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: load of questions.

1013
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 6: That was good.

1014
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 10: Yeah, you can go to San Antonio, the San Marcus's

1015
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 10: a couple of places to play.

1016
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 6: I went down to the Valley and played down there.

1017
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 6: Up to Dallas for worth.

1018
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 10: Uh what about Houston or yeah, you go down to Houston.

1019
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 10: The blues community is pretty small down there. So if

1020
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 10: you if there's another blues guy or another blues band

1021
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 10: on the scene, say hey, man, you need book this

1022
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 10: guy down in Texas, and there's like a whole blues

1023
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 10: society and so everyone hooks each other up.

1024
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 6: And so yeah, I would run down to Houston in

1025
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 6: Dallas with my parents and.

1026
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: Now, besides those cities that I named the Captain obvious ones, h,

1027
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: what is the rest of the Texas environment like city was,

1028
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: I don't really mess with it, even to this day

1029
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: hasn't established a cigre.

1030
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 10: I mean, you gotta get from point A to point B.

1031
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 10: But there's some places you just don't stop.

1032
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: Gad ass ye. I mean for the largest state in

1033
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: the United States, it's I don't like to know if

1034
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: there's more than seven cities or that are welcoming.

1035
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 9: Or you know.

1036
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 6: Look, man, anytime I'm going out west. Anytime I'm going out.

1037
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 10: West, I get stopped sweet Water, I get stopped going

1038
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 10: out Well, every time I get stopped and pulled out

1039
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 10: a car, it's a whole situation every time. Really, it's

1040
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 10: like that, and you're heading out east towards Louisiana. You

1041
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 10: don't stop. You just keep it moving, get past the bridge.

1042
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: Even to this day, when you get in the car,

1043
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: the whole goals just just make.

1044
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 6: Sure you got enough gas to get past and you

1045
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 6: just keep it moving right up.

1046
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: Niggas need a new green book at it. It's real now.

1047
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: When we went to were like like going through Texas

1048
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: like we had to.

1049
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 12: We stayed one night and god, rent would I want

1050
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 12: to say it was I can't remember the name, but

1051
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 12: basically it was like a hotel and a Walmart and

1052
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 12: a McDonald's and like, we didn't what.

1053
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: Else you need? That's a party. We stayed. We just

1054
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: stayed in and like I called my honger. I was like,

1055
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,439
Speaker 1: so we in this town. She's like, oh my god.

1056
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: She's like no, straight up. She's like, oh no, don't

1057
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: suck around out there. I was like, damn, but it's

1058
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: still real.

1059
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 9: From somebody from Carolina, that's a big deal.

1060
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's still real. Wow, Okay, that's what Texas

1061
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: they literally.

1062
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 9: Yo, you mentioned your friend Eve. This is the same

1063
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 9: Eve who had the band in the beginning, right, So

1064
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 9: do you guys still make music together or what is

1065
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 9: that with her? Because you mentioned her twice in music references.

1066
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 10: Yeah, we're still we're still cool. Actually we stopped. I

1067
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 10: got fired from her band.

1068
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 4: What you do?

1069
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: How she like you now?

1070
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 9: He did something?

1071
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 6: What you do?

1072
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 9: No?

1073
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 6: I didn't.

1074
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 10: I didn't do anything. They just, you know, respectfully. They Yeah,

1075
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 10: they decided that my services were no longer.

1076
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 9: Needed a lot of solo.

1077
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: You know, listen, listen, I'm going to ask you, because

1078
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: this is what I don't know about you, because at

1079
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: one point, at one point the guy that was hosting

1080
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: the party kind of looked at me like, okay, let's

1081
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: wrap it up.

1082
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 9: What is.

1083
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: No Because again I can listen to you do fourteen

1084
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: minutes solo?

1085
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 8: How many choruses can you?

1086
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: So when we're doing the blues, how long am I

1087
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: supposed to run through the format before I do that

1088
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: role where I let you know, Okay, Gary, it's time

1089
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: to get to the last burst of weekend?

1090
01:02:58,080 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 9: When is it not said it rude?

1091
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 6: You know what?

1092
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 10: A few years ago, you would have had to stop me,

1093
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 10: You would have had to go do that role, and

1094
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 10: I would have snapped out of it and gone, all right,

1095
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 10: let's get back into the first. A lot of times

1096
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 10: what happens when I do that is I don't know

1097
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 10: what the next verse is. Okay, so I'm just buying timeline.

1098
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 10: I don't remember the worst of my own shit.

1099
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: But the thing is like, I feel like you're you're

1100
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: not microwave. You're such a slow cook that I'm willing

1101
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: to give you six rounds and unspoken six rounds of

1102
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: stuff to let you get into it. So I never

1103
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: know when you've made your statement, when it's time to

1104
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: like in the song, right right, right, Yeah, I.

1105
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 6: Don't know either.

1106
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 10: I always feel like I can keep going. I feel

1107
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 10: like I could keep there's more, there's more, there's more,

1108
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 10: there's more. I could keep going till I pass out.

1109
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 10: But I've become more refined due to UH find and

1110
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 10: police showing up.

1111
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: I've come more refined.

1112
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 9: Is it the same drum cue did you give everybody?

1113
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: Or is that just there's a certain language that I

1114
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: have that the roots instantly know when it's time to

1115
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 1: wrap something up or that sort of thing. But that's

1116
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 1: only us playing together for decades.

1117
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 8: There's also the roots television fill right, which is like

1118
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 8: crank crank.

1119
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 6: I felt like I felt like he gave me one

1120
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 6: of those that the Grammacy.

1121
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: Like a plan because the thing was the thing was

1122
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 1: is that? Yes, shout out to Keith McPhee, the most erotic. Yeah,

1123
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: his his stopwatches have stopwatches. Key big Fee is the

1124
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,919
Speaker 1: guy that right now he's planning like the Grammy jam

1125
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three years from now. That's that's what

1126
01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 1: Keith is. So you know, in his mind, he's like, Okay,

1127
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: he did a one hundred and fifteen seconds. Good. You

1128
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: know we still got a you know, we got chucked

1129
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: you on the side of the stage. You ready to

1130
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: run the jewels anybody? And I'm trying to let Keith

1131
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: know that, like fine wine takes like just let.

1132
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 9: Them let orgasmo. Yeah, that's what we call it right now.

1133
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 1: But pretty much Keith's one of those guys that like

1134
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: lose his mind after like a three minute solo. So

1135
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: I have to you know, I kind of got that.

1136
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 6: I was like, all right, I'm pretty sure.

1137
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 10: What's the longest solo you have a dig I think

1138
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 10: I got clocked somewhere around twelve fourteen minutes.

1139
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 1: It's Maggot Brain.

1140
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, maggot bright rock and roll. I think funk a

1141
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 6: delic is rock.

1142
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, absolutely true. Indeed I should have put

1143
01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: that in earlier, but yeah, absolutely good segue.

1144
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 12: How'd you go about in terms of, like, after you're

1145
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 12: playing all these bands and like kind of doing demos

1146
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 12: and stuff, how did you go about getting your first deal?

1147
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 10: I was, I was, I was doing some shows with

1148
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 10: Doyle Bramhall. We've been doing some stuff. He give me

1149
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:23,439
Speaker 10: some work.

1150
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 1: I was kind of How did you hook up with

1151
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: Doyle and for the listeners, Doyle bra Doyle Bramhall really,

1152
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: I mean, truth be told, Doyle Bramhall was or could

1153
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: have been. I could be stepping over my boundaries. He was.

1154
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 1: He could have been the Gary Clark Jr. Of the

1155
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 1: early nineties. He was a guy that like again Eric

1156
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 1: Clapton gave the gave the the endorsement of life, the

1157
01:06:55,840 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 1: co sign of time for Yeah, for Doyle back and

1158
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 1: like nineteen ninety one said, this guy's amazing blues guitarist,

1159
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 1: can do everything and sing and all those things. This

1160
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:11,479
Speaker 1: guy's the next thing. Doyle and the Roots actually signed

1161
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 1: the gef and at the same time. And Doyle, if

1162
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: you're familiar with there's a film called Before the Music

1163
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: Dies that you should watch. Doyle's a big part of that.

1164
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 1: The guy that made that movie. The guy that made

1165
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: that movie really did it. Because of Doyle's situation. Doyle

1166
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: was supposed to be the second coming of blues guitar

1167
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: ology and it just didn't work out. He did draft

1168
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: after draft with records, and you know, he eventually got

1169
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 1: dropped by his label and then he.

1170
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,479
Speaker 12: Had to play pay the bills. So I came mainly

1171
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 12: as a session guy. I never knew his like the mythology.

1172
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 1: Of he should have been a guy like basically it's

1173
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: like reverse Jimmy Hendrix. It's like if you started out

1174
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 1: as Jimmy Hendrix and just ended up playing with Little Richard,

1175
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. But you know he he married

1176
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 1: Susannah Melbourne princess, right, So that's how we got to

1177
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 1: know him in the very short lived Edith Funker project

1178
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: with Erica and Susannah and Wendy and Lisa and everybody.

1179
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 1: And it was during that time, that Edith Funker period

1180
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 1: that I was asking Doyle like, well, who do you

1181
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 1: know that's like next? And that's when he first told

1182
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 1: me that, you know, kid from Austin, Gary Clark Junior.

1183
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: So when I think Sheryl Crow and Doyle they were

1184
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 1: torn together, told me like, you got to come and

1185
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 1: see this guy play. And it was that I think

1186
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Bowl was the first time I seen you Ah play.

1187
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, was that your own set or was

1188
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:55,719
Speaker 1: that with Doyle or you know what, I don't remember

1189
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 1: how long ago. Yeah, I don't remember how honestly, So

1190
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: you were playing with Doyle and then how did that

1191
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: go lead to a label situation for you, h I

1192
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 1: was you weren't in Archangels?

1193
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 6: Were you in that band?

1194
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: I'm not making a joke, was he?

1195
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 6: No?

1196
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 1: You?

1197
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 9: Oh?

1198
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 1: No?

1199
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 6: I was like I was maybe, Okay, No, I wasn't.

1200
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 6: I wasn't.

1201
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 10: But you know you know about that band of course, Yeah,

1202
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 10: Charlie Sexton, Tommy Shannon, damn.

1203
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 1: Well.

1204
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I was doing this struggling.

1205
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 10: Starving artist thing and I'm sitting there in the house

1206
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 10: full of candles, not by choice.

1207
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 1: Poorking beans in the spoon. Yep, okay there. So so.

1208
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 10: Just so happens like a little bit later, Doug gets

1209
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 10: me a calling and he says, this isn't promised, but

1210
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 10: you know, I've been talking to Clapton and I think

1211
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 10: he wants you to come out to do his Crossroads festival.

1212
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 10: And if you're not familiar, it's a big guitar or thron,

1213
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 10: A lot of guitar solos, a lot of the greats

1214
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 10: come out and they do this big festival thing and

1215
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 10: people jam at the end or whatever. And being a

1216
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 10: guitar player, I watched them, you know, the DVDs. I

1217
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 10: knew what was up, and so I was like really,

1218
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 10: and so next thing, I know, I get a letter

1219
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 10: in the mail. Cool, You're invited to come to clap

1220
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 10: and Crossroads. I get on a plane. I got like

1221
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 10: twenty dollars in my pocket.

1222
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 6: I show up there and like, what year is this?

1223
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:28,639
Speaker 6: This is two thousand and ten.

1224
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 1: Oh wowka, And so.

1225
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 10: I show up, do rehearsal next time, do the show,

1226
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 10: And in the middle of the show, this whole sound

1227
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 10: goes out in Toyota Park, like the whole front of

1228
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 10: the house sound.

1229
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 6: I'm in the middle of my thing. I'm the new guy.

1230
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 6: Nobody knows who the hell I am, and I'm seeing people.

1231
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 10: Booing shit and screaming. I'm just seeing this, and Doyle goes, hey, man,

1232
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 10: the sounds out. Just keep doing anything when it come

1233
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 10: around and do this, uh you know, you come back

1234
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 10: into your verse. We're trying to work this thing out.

1235
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:06,719
Speaker 10: So I'm just freaking out. Im just playing. No one's

1236
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 10: hearing me. I keep seeing this. I'm like, damn, I

1237
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 10: came all the way I hear the Chicago and fucked

1238
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 10: it up. And so it just so happens at the

1239
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 10: end of my solo where I, you know, I started

1240
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 10: wrapping it up, all the sound comes back on everybody

1241
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 10: freaks out. It becomes this huge moment. It becomes like

1242
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 10: one of the most exciting moments of the whole thing.

1243
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 10: It's not because I didn't anything epic. So anyway, I

1244
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 10: got I'm hanging out backstage.

1245
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 6: I'm like, man, this that was terrible.

1246
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 1: Blah blah.

1247
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 10: Tom Wally Andy Oliphant, who used to work at Warner

1248
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 10: at the time, approached me and gave me their business

1249
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 10: cards and said, uh, we're thinking about doing something with

1250
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 10: you know.

1251
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 6: And I did that whole thing and ran around in

1252
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 6: different spots and ended up wrong with them.

1253
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: And.

1254
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 6: He's not, the whole thing is different, gotcha.

1255
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,640
Speaker 10: But yeah, so that that was that was it just

1256
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 10: being backstage thinging that was terrible And they're like, what

1257
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 10: do you think about rocking the Warner?

1258
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 1: Wow? What was that like? Like, were you apprehensive outsigning the.

1259
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 6: Deal or yeah? Of course I was a lot of vis.

1260
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 1: Did you get to talk to Clapton at all?

1261
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:16,640
Speaker 9: No.

1262
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 10: I walked up to him and I was really excited

1263
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 10: and I said, hey, man, thank you for inviting me.

1264
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:24,759
Speaker 6: You know, you have no idea and just go thanks

1265
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 6: for coming. Walked off in his little boat shoes and

1266
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 6: shorts and.

1267
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah. So when you first started recording your first record.

1268
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 12: Excuse me, what was it like going from I guess

1269
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 12: it's kind of, you know, just kind of just the

1270
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 12: shoe stream, you know, budget shit to actually now what

1271
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,679
Speaker 12: we were able to do differently in terms of the sound.

1272
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 10: Yeah, I thought I was, but I was working with

1273
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 10: with people who I won't necessarily name, and I didn't

1274
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 10: like it.

1275
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 6: But these were producers or yeah, and I didn't.

1276
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 13: I didn't for the EP or for Black and Blue.

1277
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 13: For both, I was like real talk shots.

1278
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,560
Speaker 10: I mean, no, no, no, it turned out to be

1279
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 10: all right, But I just I was in a place

1280
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:19,760
Speaker 10: where I felt like I was free and creative and

1281
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 10: I wanted to express everything and have all my my.

1282
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 6: All my ideas fully realized. And there was this kind

1283
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 6: of like you, yeah, let's get to it.

1284
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 10: Let's do it like this way, let's get to it,

1285
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 10: you know, And I would present ideas and so that's boring.

1286
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:39,600
Speaker 10: I'm like, well, only played for thirty seconds, man, let

1287
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 10: me let me.

1288
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 6: Get to the change. Yeah, And so I didn't like

1289
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,440
Speaker 6: feeling like I couldn't move at my own pace.

1290
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 10: You know, being from Texas. If we get twenty seconds

1291
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 10: on the crosswalk, I'm taking all of them. So that

1292
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 10: was like, that was that was my mentality. But as

1293
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 10: I get older, you know, I understand and I had

1294
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 10: to learn, you know, I hadn't learn, but I was

1295
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 10: uncomfortable at first.

1296
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 1: I didn't like it.

1297
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 10: I didn't like anybody tell me what to do because

1298
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 10: I started playing music because I was the only place

1299
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 10: where nobody could tell me what to do.

1300
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 6: So I was like, well, what the hell am I doing?

1301
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:16,719
Speaker 10: Yeah, music business, But you know it's all good little

1302
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 10: maturity and you know, taking a step back and understanding

1303
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 10: that it's not just about you.

1304
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 6: That was a real reality check.

1305
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 9: You know.

1306
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 1: So was Sonny Slid, the album in which you felt

1307
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 1: that you had your control in your your true voiceover.

1308
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so.

1309
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 1: Well.

1310
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:37,560
Speaker 10: I just wanted to try it. I wanted to be

1311
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 10: able to have I wanted to be able to make

1312
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 10: an album where I'm like this, I'm.

1313
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 6: Fully responsible whether it works or not.

1314
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 10: I know what my strengths and my weaknesses are, and

1315
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 10: I've never been able to test him, and I want

1316
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 10: to do that. Like I said, I didn't get into

1317
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 10: this to be last place, and I didn't get into

1318
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 10: this to only give a quarter of what I think

1319
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 10: that I can give.

1320
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 1: So that was where that came from? How did because

1321
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 1: that's you, I from not saying that's you playing the

1322
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:07,560
Speaker 1: guitar on the Fire We Make? Uh, how did that

1323
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 1: come about? Delicia Keys and Drake Record? How did that that? Uh?

1324
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:15,680
Speaker 6: That was Miguel I mean not Miguel Maxwell.

1325
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 1: Maxwell. He hooked that he hooked all up or Fire

1326
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,560
Speaker 1: We Make was at Max my band? I thought was

1327
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 1: my bad? I meant said, I mean Drake was that

1328
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:29,640
Speaker 1: was the breakable right right?

1329
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 6: I don't know, I didn't I missed that. I remember

1330
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 6: being that.

1331
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:37,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, how did that session come about?

1332
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 6: At least your Keys asked me to do uh an

1333
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 6: event with her, Uh.

1334
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 1: No child Alive? Wait, no child, black child left behind black.

1335
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 6: Black black, but the name of her black child and

1336
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 6: then the black blas.

1337
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 1: That's the party, but keep Alive is the organization organization? Yeah,

1338
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 1: we was all right.

1339
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:14,679
Speaker 10: So we did a version of Wild my guitar gently

1340
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 10: weaves and and so we kind of linked up that way.

1341
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 10: It was pretty cool, and she asked me to be

1342
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 10: a part of this this Uh our record called me

1343
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 10: up and went up to the studio here in New York,

1344
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 10: and uh, do.

1345
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:31,640
Speaker 1: People do when when guests tell you to do their

1346
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 1: record because you're You're on Donald Uh Gambino's album and

1347
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 1: your mom met So.

1348
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 9: I just was laughing at something.

1349
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that he loves Hi Bill. How you doing, Billy? No?

1350
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 1: But is it when guests asked you to appear on

1351
01:16:55,520 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 1: their albums? Are they are they just like do you

1352
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:03,560
Speaker 1: and do what you do and that's it? Or do

1353
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 1: they have like very specific uh instructions and and and.

1354
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:12,560
Speaker 9: Are you all that specific instruction or do you just

1355
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 9: take the ones.

1356
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:13,600
Speaker 1: To go do you?

1357
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 10: Well, I've done most sessions that I've done has been

1358
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 10: just kind of like do you. But I worked with

1359
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:25,640
Speaker 10: Cody and Gambino and they're both like it goes like this,

1360
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 10: you know, and it's like I kind of put my

1361
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 10: own no, I don't do it goes like.

1362
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 1: This, Okay, yeah, I don't do that.

1363
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 12: So the solo that you played on the on the

1364
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 12: Your Mama joint like that, that's them kind of directing

1365
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:46,799
Speaker 12: or is it well as much as you versus.

1366
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 10: The solo part. The solo part was was all me

1367
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 10: because you can't you can't tell me how to do

1368
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 10: that part. Damn right, that's gotta be just from the heart.

1369
01:17:58,960 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1370
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 10: But but as far as like chord changes and things

1371
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 10: like that and a little transition chords, was like.

1372
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 6: Not that one, this one? Yep, that no perfect, you know. Yeah,

1373
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 6: so but it was cool. It's like I respect that is,

1374
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 6: I know what I want, I know what you're capable of.

1375
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:19,599
Speaker 6: Let's do that, all right.

1376
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 12: I was watching your the like I guess the new

1377
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 12: ep K or the promo video that you got for

1378
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 12: the new record This Land, and it was one clip

1379
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 12: where you were playing your solo and you were solo

1380
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 12: and like in the control room, and.

1381
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 1: That's how I cut all my vocals. So I thought

1382
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 1: it was interesting. Is that how you always kind of

1383
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 1: play like just right there in the moment, like you know,

1384
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 1: like right in front of the console.

1385
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:44,679
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1386
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 10: Not, it depends sometimes I will, but sometimes I like

1387
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 10: to be in the room with the band. But for

1388
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 10: that one, I just turned the amp Caesar d is

1389
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 10: one for twelve cabinet Marshall and just turn that up

1390
01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 10: and just ran for the two level. God, I still

1391
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 10: want to be in there, you know. And I wanted

1392
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 10: to hear how it translates. I like to hear I

1393
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 10: was going to translate on the speakers.

1394
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 6: You know. Yeah, for the most part.

1395
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 1: With your vocal, it was one the same clip you

1396
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 1: were you were cutting your vocal, you were playing, you

1397
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 1: were singing, and you were singing like you was singing

1398
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 1: through a fifty eight through it. It's just like a

1399
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 1: regular joint. Is that what you cut most of your

1400
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:20,439
Speaker 1: vocals on? Or do you do like the fancy I guess,

1401
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 1: Mike so or whatever.

1402
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 6: I've done all of it.

1403
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:25,679
Speaker 1: I don't really have a preference.

1404
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 6: Is it on check?

1405
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 1: Let's go?

1406
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1407
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 1: Is it on? Okay? Yeah? I didn't know if you

1408
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: had a preference for just more that kind of raw

1409
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 1: like live sounded like a you know, a smaller mic.

1410
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 6: No, I don't know the difference. What what do you use?

1411
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 8: What my personally good one?

1412
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, my personal mic is it's a manly reference. It's yeah,

1413
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 1: it is. I've told you for seventy five years, never

1414
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 1: told you about about the man so mainly, I mean

1415
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 1: they're mainly known for like that outboard gear, but they

1416
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 1: make the mic and so.

1417
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 6: Uh.

1418
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 12: When I was rebuilding my studio in my crib, I

1419
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 12: bought a Norman uh the U A seven, which is

1420
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 12: like the classic mic or whatever, and so I got it,

1421
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:15,759
Speaker 12: and I was just like, yo, man, this ship sound cold.

1422
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 1: This is cold as fuck.

1423
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:17,560
Speaker 6: I don't like this.

1424
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:20,680
Speaker 1: And so my homie, my dealer homie, he was like, well, yo,

1425
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 1: he said. The Normans are generally very cold out the box,

1426
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: he said, but over time, as they age, that's when

1427
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 1: they get kind of warm. I was like, nigga, I'm

1428
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 1: trying to got I'm trying to Yeah, I ain't got

1429
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 1: no time of that. I got you need. So he

1430
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 1: was like, yo, but the one you need is the

1431
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 1: manly referenced. I was like whatever, So he let me

1432
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:43,720
Speaker 1: shoot out. I had like a whole like locker ship.

1433
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 12: I have a U eighty seven U sixty seven fuddled

1434
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 12: yeah man, I shout it out against U eighty seven

1435
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 12: U sixty seven.

1436
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 1: I had a ribbon mic like an r c A

1437
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:57,600
Speaker 1: like the old Elvis Mike. I had that one. I

1438
01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 1: had the road, which was like my for like years.

1439
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 1: I shout it out against like six seven mics. It

1440
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,680
Speaker 1: kicked all their asses for like I mean, and it

1441
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 1: was it was like a thousand dollars cheaper than the

1442
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:09,639
Speaker 1: U eighty seven.

1443
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 6: I might have to give me a manly.

1444
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 1: Reference the truth, man, But what I got I got

1445
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 1: like a little s M. Fifty eight too, like I'll

1446
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 1: cut vocals through that, which is like a shure, is

1447
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 1: just one of those. And I mean that in the

1448
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 1: clip that I saw, like from your album, it looked

1449
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 1: like you were singing in one of those, and I

1450
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 1: used that one too.

1451
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 8: I don't even did Michael Jackson record like Man in

1452
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:29,680
Speaker 8: the Mirror.

1453
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 1: On fifty seven. Yeah, I'm one of those people that

1454
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 1: I've been under Suores. Uh uh what do you call

1455
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 1: it up and endorsement? Sure, for like decades now, but.

1456
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 8: You know that's over now, yeah, said the engineer.

1457
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 1: Wait we don't yeah, wow, when did we end that relationship?

1458
01:21:58,960 --> 01:21:59,720
Speaker 8: Can I ask a question?

1459
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 1: Sure?

1460
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 8: Carry Color Jr. You seem to be like the Roots.

1461
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:09,120
Speaker 8: This weird anominally of well yeah, like Peo like fans

1462
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 8: or people playing like black music, but it appeals to

1463
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 8: white audiences and it's a rarity, like you play for

1464
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 8: Bonnarou and you play these festivals for white jam kids.

1465
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 8: That's it doesn't happen that often in the same way

1466
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 8: the Ruts, the fucking Roots played in my college. We've

1467
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:29,600
Speaker 8: talked about this and my college spring fling. When I

1468
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:30,640
Speaker 8: was a graduating.

1469
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 1: I loved it. Let's just go with that.

1470
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:35,599
Speaker 9: Uh.

1471
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 8: But but I don't know what do you attribute that to?

1472
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 8: Because you're I mean, I find I think I have

1473
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 8: an answer, but I was wondering what your answer was.

1474
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 8: I mean, other than it's all great music, which I'm

1475
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 8: sure is an easy answer. But like, do you ever

1476
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 8: think about that?

1477
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 1: I do?

1478
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 6: Oh, well, I'm thinking about it. Certain Chappelle skit.

1479
01:22:59,200 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 8: Understandable.

1480
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I don't know.

1481
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 8: Just good music is good music? I mean, like it

1482
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 8: is what it is.

1483
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, can I ask you I'm not trying what

1484
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna add on to it? Is it harder for

1485
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 1: you now? I know that you're going in different or

1486
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,680
Speaker 1: we should mention also that this land I forgot that

1487
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 1: much it is out right now? Is it harder for

1488
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:34,679
Speaker 1: you to keep the flame alive? Uh? In which kind

1489
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 1: of the the environment of the musical environment of the

1490
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 1: youth is the kind of the exact opposite of it.

1491
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 1: Whereas you know, traditional rock was the front and center

1492
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 1: rebel music, that was the middle finger to society, where

1493
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 1: now it's almost Uh, it's kind of like a rarity

1494
01:23:56,080 --> 01:24:01,880
Speaker 1: where you can find quality, really good tradition on rock music?

1495
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 1: Is that hard and now I know you're going different

1496
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 1: directions with this album as well, but is it is

1497
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 1: it hard defining or or standing by your your your

1498
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:17,080
Speaker 1: queen your acts in twenty nineteen.

1499
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 6: It's hard. Nah, I don't know. I wouldn't know what

1500
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 6: to do without it.

1501
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish you could see it. Hey, let me

1502
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 1: know when you want to do the R and B

1503
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:40,600
Speaker 1: immature album I'm working on.

1504
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 6: I'm working on it right now.

1505
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 1: Man, listen, I'm on in on that. Yeah.

1506
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 8: Hell, Bill, he'll bring his manly reference and everything.

1507
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 9: Bill was the remix to your I don't know if

1508
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:51,640
Speaker 9: this is the remix, but were you kind of asking like,

1509
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 9: do you do you ever feel some type of way

1510
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 9: when you look in the crowd it's not as many

1511
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 9: black people as you as maybe one would like to see.

1512
01:24:57,640 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 5: Is that like the.

1513
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 1: Question I ask? But I just interest that.

1514
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 8: That always interested me. It's why the rout issue with that.

1515
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 9: But maybe Gary does. It's different for every artist. Well,

1516
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,519
Speaker 9: I'm sorry. Black Thought was known as having not an issue,

1517
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 9: but at times he's been known to say the more

1518
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:19,519
Speaker 9: we grew up.

1519
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 1: And we grew up in the hype Williams video era,

1520
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 1: which was like the real record business budgets, and I

1521
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 1: think if you grow up with that and those images

1522
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 1: and whatnot, and you know what you're seeing on the road,

1523
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 1: you know when groupies are chasing me, it's like five

1524
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:44,640
Speaker 1: five dudes at my hotel when wanting to know, like

1525
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:48,640
Speaker 1: what kind of microphone does D'Angelo use? Like what he

1526
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 1: was breaking down. I've had that conversation many a time

1527
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:52,719
Speaker 1: in a hotel.

1528
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 9: Like I've also seen earlier on in the Roots career.

1529
01:25:57,920 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 9: I've seen the response when you've had like an all

1530
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 9: Black grounds, like, yeah, we had all Black grounds.

1531
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:04,600
Speaker 8: My point was, I've seen I've seen Gary play a

1532
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:06,759
Speaker 8: number of times, and he will freak out white hippie

1533
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 8: kids in the same way he freaks out African American.

1534
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:13,679
Speaker 8: It's like, and that's a rarity. I'm I'm giving that compliment,

1535
01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't you don't

1536
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 8: you see that enough? In the same way the Roots

1537
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 8: complay to all my audience and and it doesn't matter,

1538
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 8: and that I love and I feel like the ability

1539
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:27,640
Speaker 8: to do that is transcendent. And I don't understand and

1540
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 8: I don't understand it, and that's my that's my question.

1541
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 1: And I was adding, is an endangered species. Do you

1542
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:36,080
Speaker 1: feel some sort of way about it?

1543
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 11: But the answer is simple. Black people gave up on

1544
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:41,360
Speaker 11: rock music after Living Color.

1545
01:26:46,360 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 1: Sugar Network. Yeah, Steve, you did it. Let's go, here's

1546
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:54,559
Speaker 1: your theme.

1547
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 8: Say something.

1548
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 9: And then they told us Lenny didn't count.

1549
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:06,759
Speaker 1: Lenny is Jewish.

1550
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:07,559
Speaker 9: That's what I.

1551
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 6: Like.

1552
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:11,680
Speaker 9: Lenny grab his way, you know that.

1553
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 1: Living Color and who else do we have? Well? Nothing

1554
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 1: after that. I mean we had Prince. I mean really

1555
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 1: Prince was but but did.

1556
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 7: He just cause the guitar doesn't mean yeah, he was

1557
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 7: R and.

1558
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:25,640
Speaker 6: B for.

1559
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:34,560
Speaker 1: He saw he was black people. The Isisley Brothers.

1560
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 9: Definitely delic So we keep it in the spirit of like.

1561
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 1: By seventy six. By seventy six, Funkadelic basically became Yeah

1562
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 1: because was a Parliament song. Yeah, I mean, you know,

1563
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:53,960
Speaker 1: and GARYT Shatter himself will say that, you know, I

1564
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:56,720
Speaker 1: felt that after when they making One Nation under the

1565
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 1: Groove and suddenly we just sold out and became Parliament.

1566
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying that.

1567
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 9: Doesn't it seem like based on the Rock and Roll

1568
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 9: Hall of Fame and everything else, It depends. It depends

1569
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 9: on who you're asking what rock and roll is. Because

1570
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 9: I mean, there's a whole very derivative situation and then

1571
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:15,640
Speaker 9: I don't know, it's just weird to me.

1572
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 11: The funk lineage is like outside of rock, like Princess

1573
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:22,559
Speaker 11: funk and pop, you know, but more than rock.

1574
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 1: But he he's rock. I never grew printing in rock.

1575
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 1: It was probably the reason why Rolling Stone had left

1576
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:31,640
Speaker 1: him off the one hundred Greatest Guitar Players, Like but

1577
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:36,599
Speaker 1: in the Rock and Roll that right there, Yeah whoa, yeah, yeah.

1578
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:38,760
Speaker 9: Unfair is the best?

1579
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:43,800
Speaker 1: Yes, like they Rolling Stone literally forgot to list Prince

1580
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 1: in one of the the one hundred you know what saying.

1581
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 1: And thus when Prince did the my guitar gently weeps

1582
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 1: guitar solo at the that was his revenge, Like that

1583
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 1: was his like motherfuckers like.

1584
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 6: You.

1585
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 12: But I think with him though, I mean this is

1586
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:06,680
Speaker 12: just I think with him, with artists like that that

1587
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 12: are just so big and just so known for so

1588
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 12: many hit records, it's hard to imagine what gets overlooked

1589
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 12: is just the musicianship.

1590
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 1: So even like with Michael Jackson, like Michael.

1591
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:19,680
Speaker 12: Would say, like he would talk about Prince, he would say, well,

1592
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 12: people look at Princes as an artist, but they just

1593
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:24,880
Speaker 12: look at me on the dance, dude.

1594
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:27,720
Speaker 1: But Mike used to saying, it's god damn face off,

1595
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 1: you know.

1596
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 9: What I mean?

1597
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 1: Sometimes I forget that Mike is an excellent saying an

1598
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:33,760
Speaker 1: extracy right, because you just see the white sox and

1599
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 1: the dances and shit that you forget that this is

1600
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 1: some real fucking musicianship going on. I feel as though

1601
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:42,559
Speaker 1: Prince really took the space that the Isisley brothers had

1602
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 1: in the seventies. I can rap you on that. And

1603
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 1: it's so natural for Ernie Eisley to do a solo

1604
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:53,680
Speaker 1: in the seventies, you know that, you just you never said, oh,

1605
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 1: this is not rock and roll, this is you know,

1606
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:56,600
Speaker 1: it's that sort of thing.

1607
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 9: Somehow, somewhere it became harder, harder for black dozey caught

1608
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:00,439
Speaker 9: and roll.

1609
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 1: Well, gar.

1610
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:11,600
Speaker 9: Gary, I mean, we are older.

1611
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:18,720
Speaker 13: All the time, don't worry about are not.

1612
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:23,720
Speaker 6: The baby here at the kids table in my own

1613
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 6: damn house.

1614
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 1: I still Gary. So I have a somewhat relevant question.

1615
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 8: I think he was asking about his hands again.

1616
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 11: So is it is it a blessing or a curse

1617
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:44,600
Speaker 11: to be grouped as a certain genre, specifically blues or

1618
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:45,160
Speaker 11: blues rock.

1619
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 1: Let's say in your case, is that.

1620
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:52,120
Speaker 11: Is that something that you hold up as a as

1621
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:56,840
Speaker 11: a sign of pride or is that something that's that's pigeonholing?

1622
01:30:57,320 --> 01:30:59,840
Speaker 10: You know, I feel I feel a couple of ways

1623
01:30:59,880 --> 01:31:01,400
Speaker 10: of about that. When I was a kid, all I

1624
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 10: wanted to do was be a blues man. My first

1625
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 10: when I first got a guitar, I saw Steve Steve

1626
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 10: rayvonn Tribute was Eric Clapton, Buddy got bb King, Robert Cray,

1627
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 10: Bonnie Ray, a few others, and I said, I want

1628
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:17,760
Speaker 10: to be a part of that thing. And so in

1629
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:19,920
Speaker 10: twenty ten, when I got to be on stage with

1630
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 10: all them at the same time, I was like, it

1631
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 10: feels great to be a part of this, but it's

1632
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:28,240
Speaker 10: also that other things like well I got I love

1633
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:30,280
Speaker 10: being a part of this thing, but I love other

1634
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:33,080
Speaker 10: stuff too, and I'd like to do all of that.

1635
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:36,200
Speaker 6: So I just I just do what I do and

1636
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 6: try not to think about it. And I'm thirty four

1637
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 6: years old.

1638
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:41,640
Speaker 9: Man, I got out of this, Thank you. It was

1639
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 9: getting tired.

1640
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:45,760
Speaker 1: We come with this land though it ain't always true,

1641
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:49,600
Speaker 1: and you're going going in different directions, like do you

1642
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:52,880
Speaker 1: now feel as though I mean the way that that

1643
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:55,559
Speaker 1: the times are defined now is just to be fluid,

1644
01:31:56,160 --> 01:32:01,799
Speaker 1: like non defined. And the new records, yeah, graduation.

1645
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think that that I've always wanted to kind

1646
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:09,320
Speaker 10: of do that. I mean, Quincy Jones is idle than me.

1647
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:13,120
Speaker 6: Been trying to get rid of the genres and all

1648
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:14,280
Speaker 6: that for a long time.

1649
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 10: And and uh, when I heard Wu Tang spitting over

1650
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:20,760
Speaker 10: Albert Kinglis, I was like, I can do whatever I want.

1651
01:32:22,040 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 12: Yeah, I was gonna ask you about that because you

1652
01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:26,800
Speaker 12: talked about in your in the promo for the new record,

1653
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:29,680
Speaker 12: you talk about like your hip hop influences, Like what

1654
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 12: was this?

1655
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:31,840
Speaker 1: What was some of the hip hop stuff you listened to?

1656
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:39,519
Speaker 10: I mean when I was I guess nine, ten, eleven, twelve,

1657
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:42,519
Speaker 10: I wasn't allowed to listen to hip hop, but my

1658
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 10: buddy Grant would make me tapes put different titles.

1659
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:57,679
Speaker 1: On it, and your parents, yes, why did exactly?

1660
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:03,839
Speaker 10: So I was listening to uh like d MX Snoop

1661
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 10: Warren g Uh, bone thugs in Harmony.

1662
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 1: Bone Thugs in Harmony, never singing harmony. He's right, they

1663
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 1: are both totally correct.

1664
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:25,400
Speaker 6: I never thought about that the US cross.

1665
01:33:25,160 --> 01:33:28,720
Speaker 1: There were no harm totally right, totally right. I never

1666
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:30,000
Speaker 1: thought about that play.

1667
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:31,439
Speaker 9: Did you have you have?

1668
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:31,760
Speaker 6: Y'all?

1669
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:33,680
Speaker 9: I saw I was just reading something where you did

1670
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:35,880
Speaker 9: something with bun Be. But have your text is like

1671
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:39,599
Speaker 9: the MCS kind of embraced you in that way from yeah,

1672
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 9: because I'm thinking about I'm thinking about Scarface. I don't

1673
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:43,759
Speaker 9: want to say Austin, so I think, yeah.

1674
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:51,360
Speaker 1: Guitar lessons. Yet I forgot about his guitar.

1675
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:55,000
Speaker 6: I saw him. I went to go see him in

1676
01:33:56,360 --> 01:33:58,800
Speaker 6: d C. And I didn't know he played guitar. So

1677
01:33:58,880 --> 01:33:59,719
Speaker 6: he came on with a guitar.

1678
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:02,280
Speaker 9: What Oh, DC will let him play whatever he wants to.

1679
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:10,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, so but yeah, so yeah ghetto, Yeah, switch your house,

1680
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:10,640
Speaker 6: you know.

1681
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 1: So.

1682
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:15,120
Speaker 6: I spent a lot of time listening to that.

1683
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:18,519
Speaker 10: But I love the production stuff, you know, the production

1684
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:22,720
Speaker 10: side of it, you know from Swiss and Dre and

1685
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:26,760
Speaker 10: you know the whole you know. I mean, I'm sitting

1686
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:28,240
Speaker 10: here what you got, But I got to give it

1687
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 10: up to the roots for production and musicality.

1688
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:31,640
Speaker 6: In that, you know what I mean?

1689
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:31,960
Speaker 1: Like that.

1690
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:36,040
Speaker 6: That made it to me. It's like this all goes together,

1691
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:37,000
Speaker 6: you know what I mean?

1692
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:38,320
Speaker 1: And I can.

1693
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:39,439
Speaker 6: I want to be a part of that too. I

1694
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 6: want to do that too. I love being a blues man,

1695
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 6: but like this ship is tight, you know what I mean?

1696
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:46,679
Speaker 6: Like I want to get into this too and figure

1697
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:47,120
Speaker 6: it all out.

1698
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 10: So I want to put the n PC underneath everything

1699
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 10: and put the guitars and live instrumentation on top of.

1700
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:56,280
Speaker 6: It, and and use all the colors, you know what

1701
01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:58,000
Speaker 6: I mean. Do you like jazz?

1702
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:06,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1703
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:11,560
Speaker 6: I love jazz. I listened to a good amount of it.

1704
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:14,679
Speaker 6: Never try to touch it really.

1705
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:19,519
Speaker 1: Though, So what what is what is your go to listening?

1706
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:21,720
Speaker 6: So what's on my playlist?

1707
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:22,280
Speaker 4: Uh?

1708
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:23,880
Speaker 1: Sir?

1709
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:31,880
Speaker 10: I guess yeah? Yeah, John Battis's latest one, Yeah, lm A.

1710
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:32,840
Speaker 10: Have been listening to.

1711
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 9: Up Yeah, don't do All because the second tripping sound

1712
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 9: like boot Up Okay.

1713
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:46,880
Speaker 6: And I've been listening to Sammy Davis Jr.

1714
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:53,280
Speaker 1: One right, there's another Sammy Davis Jr.

1715
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:56,559
Speaker 9: There's a younger person that named himself Sam David Junior.

1716
01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 9: So I'm just trying to make sure I wasn't confused.

1717
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:00,439
Speaker 1: Well, you're talking about the candy Man the can.

1718
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 7: That would be, but some is it because for the

1719
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 7: junior thing like the connection.

1720
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 6: Anywhere, But I was I came across a performance of him.

1721
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:24,880
Speaker 10: Doing mister bo Jangles and uh and my son really

1722
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:26,960
Speaker 10: loved it and so he started singing it around the

1723
01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:28,599
Speaker 10: house and I was like, well, let's just get into

1724
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 10: Sammy Davis Junior together.

1725
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:32,000
Speaker 6: So that's been our musical.

1726
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:33,959
Speaker 1: That is the Beauty Discovery.

1727
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's what happened.

1728
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:38,560
Speaker 9: I need to movies to get into those episodes on

1729
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:40,679
Speaker 9: the Coxtables. I can't even say the show.

1730
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:41,880
Speaker 1: No more on the.

1731
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:47,320
Speaker 9: Okay, on The Cosby Show because Sammy Davis Junior had

1732
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:49,000
Speaker 9: some really great cameos.

1733
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:51,160
Speaker 1: But I doubt you will find that anywhere. Yeah.

1734
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:54,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, Tap he was really good in the movie Tap

1735
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:56,880
Speaker 9: Tap was hard Ship with Gregory High.

1736
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:00,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1737
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:04,120
Speaker 9: The JT song that the title.

1738
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:06,680
Speaker 1: Song, will take It was j T and Regina Bell

1739
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 1: and it was not make it like it was, but

1740
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:12,760
Speaker 1: it was sorry. Yeah. Yeah, JT's back cooling game.

1741
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:17,280
Speaker 9: So that see Gary, this is when forty celebrated.

1742
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this nigga. We're falling. The eyes is back.

1743
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:25,679
Speaker 8: I'm with it, Okay, Gary Clark has James and he's fine.

1744
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:31,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm also wrapping. I understand, I gotta wrap

1745
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Speaker 1: this up to bed.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, who's not going to I'm going to go to bed.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I do too, Billy Steve gotta go to bed.

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01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:41,440
Speaker 6: Sounds like a movie Washington.

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Speaker 8: In the early early morning.

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01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, Bill and Steve could have been to do anyway.

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Speaker 8: My second bar Mitzvah hosted book and what is uh

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Speaker 8: your your?

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01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:55,559
Speaker 1: What are you playing on the rest of your year?

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01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 1: Being in twenty nineteen?

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Speaker 6: The rest of twenty nineteen is tour forever.

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Speaker 1: That's a good thing. I'm trying to work like you man,

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Speaker 1: that's yes, that's a good thing. That's an awesome thing.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, it's a blessed How do you balance it out

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Speaker 12: with your with your boys and your know what?

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Speaker 1: What the kids?

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Speaker 6: A boy girl, boy girl. Okay, I'm just gonna awfully

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Speaker 6: you just bring them out with me with you.

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Speaker 1: That's dope.

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Speaker 6: I'm trying to get to that.

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Speaker 11: You know.

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Speaker 6: It's a family. So yeah, that's what. We'll just be

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Speaker 6: out there everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Cool. Well, we thank you for coming on the show, sir.

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Speaker 12: Yes, man, I'm so happy to learn that your R

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Speaker 12: and B dude like like R and B arm like greasy.

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Speaker 1: R and B, like your R and B record. I

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Speaker 1: want to on it like, let's do like some divince dope.

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Speaker 1: Garrett Clark, I might have to get it. You gotta

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Speaker 1: standing there.

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Speaker 9: Make sure you caught the land first land. That was

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Speaker 9: Jamison that hit me with them.

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Speaker 6: Isn't it beautiful?

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Speaker 1: Anyway? On behalf of Unpaid Bill and Sugar Steve of

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01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:16,360
Speaker 1: the Sugar Steve Network, aren't jazz guitarist? And Boss Bill

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01:39:16,439 --> 01:39:18,840
Speaker 1: is getting angry? Bill? We love you man, Sorry, look

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01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:20,160
Speaker 1: with love. What your bathroom?

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Speaker 9: Now?

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01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:22,400
Speaker 1: You're gonna be a nigga doing renovations?

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01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:25,840
Speaker 8: Finished, Matt finished, Gary.

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Speaker 1: We thank you for coming on the sales, coming on.

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Speaker 1: Let's see you all in the next round. Of course,

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Speaker 1: loved Supreme, see all later, coust Love Supreme. It's a

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