WEBVTT - Ep. 95: Bear Grease [Render] - Hall of Fame Inductions and Big Bear Breakdown 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:16.520 My name is Clay and Nukam and this is a 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:20.680 production of the bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:25.200 where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:30.000 scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast presented by f 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:35.320 HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:38.479 that's designed to be as rugged as the place as 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:45.920 we explore. Welcome to the Bear Grease Render. We have 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:49.960 a pretty normal crew of the Render here today and 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:54.400 we're gonna talk about the magnum opus of my life. Wow, 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:59.520 this podcast is the best podcast that's ever been created, 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:07.200 none accepted. Wow. Wow, that's that's my opinion. Let me 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:11.080 introduce who's here today. I have my lovely wife, Missy 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:13.640 knucom to my left. Hello, great to have you here, 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:21.880 Great to be here. To Missy's left, Brent Reeves Bent. Okay, glad, 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:24.600 I want to hear what you think about this this podcast. 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:28.520 All right? I listened to Brent's left, Ben Lagron, thanks 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:31.000 for all the time, buddy. You've been here a couple 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:34.080 of times on the burgera surrender a couple of times, 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:36.160 one time. If you've been here one time, you've been 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:37.800 here a couple of times. That's right. That's right. And 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:41.120 Ben Ben feels particularly familiar today because he has a 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:44.200 nineteen eighties Bess Pro Shop hat on. Yeah. Those are 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:46.080 hard to come by these days out here. Yeah, or 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:48.240 maybe not hard to come out with their popular. That's 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:50.120 why I wore the meat Eater shirt to make sure 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:54.200 there wasn't too much of it of companies. You got 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.240 his meat your shirt on two. Ben's laft. Josh Lambridge, 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:00.440 spillmaker who's been wreck is starting to get wreck nuys 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:05.000 once every other week. Yes, it's my micro celebrity grows 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:08.920 by the every other week by weekly tell us where 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:12.560 someone like I got recognized by a great young man 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.080 by the name of Jacob down at the tool Local 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:18.240 tool rental business doing some remodel work on my house. 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.000 Had to go rent some tools and he was like, 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:22.120 are you Landing, Hey, Well, you asked me my name, 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:24.440 and I was like, Josh Billmaker, and he goes, are 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:27.840 you familiar with the Bear Grease podcast? I said, way 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:31.600 too familiar. He said what's your middle name? And you 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:36.120 were like land Bridge, that's right. One at a time, 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:39.000 that's great. To your left, the man who's been missing 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:43.360 for a couple of episodes, the pattern Familius, Gary Believer, NWCAM. 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.000 Good to be here, yeah, man, good to have you. Yeah, 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:50.200 I've been listening to your stuff at last. Render group 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:52.760 was really good. Did you like it? Yeah? I really did. Man. 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:55.560 I'm at the Squirrel yeah camp, Yeah did you Yeah. 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:58.799 Good to hear, good to hear. Hey, I'm like all 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:02.600 business today because today is a monumental. This is a 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:07.560 monumental Beargreas Render because we are well. Let me back, 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.760 let me back up one step. There is such a thing. 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:13.440 There is such a thing called the Beargrease Hall of Fame, 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:16.480 which is a very real thing. This isn't a joke. 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:21.560 Like one day, I believe there will be a mountain 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:25.280 somewhere in the Ozarks with the faces of these people 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:30.119 carved into it. Beargrease Hall of Fame. Very real. Men 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:34.400 who qualify women, who qualify, People who qualify to be 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:37.920 in the Beargrease Hall of Fame have a very some 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:42.400 very evident, and some very intangible qualities about their life 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:46.440 that make them shoe ends. And sometimes these qualities are 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:51.200 hard to articulate, but when you see it, you know it. Okay. 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:58.160 The current the current Beargrease Hall of Famers are number one. 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:03.640 My dear friend James Lawrence from Mina, Arkansas. Yes, long time, 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:06.680 you know I've used the word mentor. That's probably not 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:10.880 the best descriptor of him to me. But we love 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:15.840 James Lawrence. Love James mountain man, backwoods man, incredible, washtam 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:21.240 mountain deer hunter, humble, honest, hard working, a lot of 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:25.119 good things about James. Number two Warner Glenn. Warner Glenn, 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:28.039 eighty seven year old cowboy from Arizona. We got a 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.599 film coming out about him that is going to be 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:35.840 on the meter and there's a film premiere, yeah, that 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:41.240 on March the third in Bentonville. You want to be hey, 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:43.880 give can is it? Is it too soon? I mean 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.440 this time, I'm certain. I hope that all the tickets 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:50.200 are sold. Well, we only had two hundred tickets. The 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:54.240 venue we got could just hold two hundred people. We 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.800 we we put it up. Two hundred tickets are sold, 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.200 So if you don't have a ticket, I'm very sorry, 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.560 but maybe will do this again. But Warner Glenn, when 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:05.159 you meet a cowboy like him, you would think you 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.080 were gonna meet a proud man. Warner Glenn is one 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:10.680 of the most humble guys I've ever met, hardest working. 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:13.560 Just no one ever told he was told him he 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:16.480 was cool. He doesn't to this date, he doesn't know 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.159 that he's cool. When he sees a film about himself, 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.479 he's gonna be like, I'll be darn you know that 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:25.480 kind of guy? Okay? James Lawrence Warner, Glenn Roy Clark, 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:30.760 my dear friend, Roy Clark and East Tennessee plot man, 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:34.279 multi generational plot man and bear hunter. Just a relic 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:38.080 of a man, a relic of Appalachia. He grew up 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:41.360 in a family where alcoholism was a pretty big deal. 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:43.760 Roy Clark made a decision when he was a young 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.400 man that he wasn't going to touch the stuff, and 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.279 he has been a bear hunter's bear hunter ever since. 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:52.960 I don't think he's ever been out of a pair 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:55.599 of overalls. I have never seen the man wear a 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:59.000 pair of pants. Incredible world class bear dogs. But le's 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:03.920 Roy Clark. Number four. Daniel Boone, God Rest his soul. 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:10.920 Daniel Boone was one of America's first heroes, and he 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:16.800 forged much of what, especially people who live close to 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:20.120 the land and hunting, what we know of the American identity. 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:23.360 So much of it came from Boone. The love of wilderness. 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.680 People used to be afraid of wilderness. In the dark Ages, 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:29.280 people wanted to get as far away from wilderness as 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.720 they could. Wilderness is where he went to die. Daniel 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:35.679 Boone went into the wilderness the American Frontier and came 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:41.040 back with articulation that the world had never heard before 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.680 about the beauty of the wilderness and the beauty of 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:49.559 solitude and living one with nature. He was fifty something 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.599 years old before he ever became famous, so all the 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.640 stuff he did that made him famous he did before 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.000 he was ever famous, So he wasn't trying to show 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:03.040 out incredible incredible man. Daniel Boone lived to be eighty 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:06.880 four years old and just had scrapes with death that 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:12.520 would blow your mind. Okay. Number five. Frederick Gerstacker. Frederick 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:17.320 Gerstaker was a German that came to Arkansas in eighteen 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:20.880 thirty seven. He stayed here for about six years. He did. 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:24.520 He spent quite a bit of time within twenty miles 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:27.920 of where we sit today in the Ozarks. He was 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:32.680 a young educated German that just kind of wanted to 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:37.960 get away from his his his background in Europe and 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.920 he you know, they had money and he came to Arkansas, 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:44.000 and he was the first guy that came to the 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:49.000 backwoods of Arkansas and came out with this glowing review 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:51.440 of the people and the way they lived, which was 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:55.000 massively contrasted with like who we talked about in this 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:58.840 podcast about Schoolcraft, most guys came down here and went 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:02.440 and reported back to the world that this was a backwater, 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:09.040 just rough, dirty place full of scoundrels. Well, Gerstalker came 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.720 here and he said that these were some of the 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.800 finest people on planet Earth. And he and he stayed 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:18.080 with families and he was a big hunter. In one 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:19.960 of the first podcasts I did called the Death of 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:23.000 a bear Hunter. That story we know that story because 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:26.920 Gerstalker and he was. He was on a bear hunt 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:32.440 with dogs where his acquaintance Erskine was killed about twenty 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.400 five miles from where we said in the Ozarks. Incredible man, 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:41.200 incredible writer, an incredible romantic. That's a phrase that people 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:45.960 would use to describe how someone views reality in a way. 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.120 And I like romantics because you could you could make 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.720 a decision tomorrow that your life is terrible and that 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:54.280 the world is no good, or you could wake up 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:55.760 and be like you know what, it's a pretty good place. 0:08:55.960 --> 0:09:01.360 Frederick Gersharker number five, number six. The current last member 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:03.440 of the Bear Grease Hall of Fame is none other 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.760 than George mcjunkin. He was that He was born a 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:11.600 slave in the eighteen fifties in Texas, moved out to 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:18.640 New Mexico after the emancipation, became a landowner, became a 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:23.560 big ranch hand, and was a very intelligent man, an 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:29.600 educated man. Learned to read on a chuckwagon cattle drive. 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:34.080 Was he was a naturalist. He collected bones, and he 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:38.719 took archaeology. He made he made mechanisms to measure the 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:42.719 wind speed in direction. And one day he was out 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:46.040 riding riding his horse, and he came across an unusual 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.760 bone pile sticking out of the ground in this arroyo, 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:54.199 and he goes, those are not normal bones. He takes 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:55.880 a couple of the bones home with him. It was 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:59.800 in nineteen oh eight. He spins the next over t 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.640 In the years trying to get people to come out 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:04.920 and look at the bones, he'd go back into town 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.079 and talk with people and say, hey, y'all, somebody needs 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.200 to come here and look at this. They never came. 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:13.080 He dies in nineteen twenty three, so it's fifteen years 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:15.800 he tried to get people to come out there. He dies, 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:21.040 and literally three months after he dies, an amateur archaeologist 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.360 goes to this place where they're, like George said, there 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:26.440 was a pile of bones over here. They see the 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:29.840 bones and they go, oh my, after they send them 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.040 somewhere and then they go, these are the bones of 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:36.280 a bison antiquis, which is an ice age bison is 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:39.640 no longer here, and some museum says, well, we got 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:42.600 to excavate those bones. They start excavating the bones and 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:49.119 they find stone points inside inside of the bones indicating 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.400 that these animals weren't This wasn't just a pile of 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:54.760 dead animals. These animals were killed by humans. And at 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:58.960 the time, the greatest minds on planet Earth, with all 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:02.400 the data information, would have been no different today than 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:05.400 the great minds of our time telling us something that 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:08.160 was a matter of fact. No different. I mean, it 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:12.360 would be like them saying, absolutely, this is the truth. 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:14.760 They believed that humans have been in the North American 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:18.440 continent for about three thousand years. Well, they knew that 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:22.120 these bison bones were over ten thousand years old. And 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.800 that these it. By finding these stone points, it meant 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.439 that they had humans had been here for over ten 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:31.719 thousand years, and it totally rescripted how long humans had 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:35.240 been in North America, and that became the Folsome point. 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:39.600 They found folsome points there. And so George mcjunkin African 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:43.920 American Cowboy found this site and died before we ever 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:47.560 knew that it was there. Yeah, so those are the 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:52.520 six current Barghrias Hall of Famers today. This day we 0:11:52.559 --> 0:12:05.600 are going to induct Josh. We're going to h yeah, yeah, okay, 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:10.840 y'all picking up on the wrong intents. Clark wore overalls 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:14.320 every day. I'm trying to get in. Uh. None of 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:18.400 them had great must or notable mustaches. Um, so maybe 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:24.160 that's okay, No, tell me Gerstocker didn't have a notable Yeah, 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.080 there's some photos of him later in his life. So 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.120 we're gonna we're gonna. I'm gonna put on the table 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:34.680 the proposition to induct not one, but two men into 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.760 the Burghers Hall of Fame. So just works. We're gonna 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:41.720 give Ben voting rights today because he's uh, you know, 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:49.120 the rules change as as my whims change, so necessarily 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:53.680 a regular. But I know Ben's character and judgment for 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:56.600 long enough that we're gonna give him an active vote 0:12:56.880 --> 0:13:01.719 and something that cannot be repealed. No historical revisionists will 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.000 ever be able to come back and tell me that 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:08.600 Warner Glenn did something wrong. I don't care, all right, 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:14.720 so irrevocable, once in, always in. Okay, the man that 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:16.280 I would like to put on the table to be 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.760 inducted into Bargheras Hall of Fame, there would be a vote, 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:21.760 There would be a we will go one by one 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:24.280 and you will vote yay or nay. Okay, the man 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:26.400 I would like to induct into the Burgheras Hall of Fame. 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.959 It's it's overdue. Hault Collier Whult Collier was born in 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:35.240 the eighteen fifties, died in the eighteenth and died in 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:39.240 the nineteen thirties, and his story is too long to tell. 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:46.400 He fought for the Confederate Army. He became a nationally 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:50.760 renowned bear hunter with dogs in Mississippi. He guided President 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:56.640 Teddy Roosevelt on multiple bear hunts. Halt Collier was a 0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:01.440 deputy sheriff. Halt Collier shot and kill Old uh two 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:05.280 white men, shot one white man, and was never acquitted. 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:10.479 It was acquitted of all charges. He was a brilliant 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:14.800 man and he was from Greenville, Mississippi. He's buried in Greenville, 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:18.640 Mississippi to this day. That the series that we did 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:22.840 on Hulk Caller was incredible. It's learning his story. Yeah, 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:26.000 and what's so wild is that his story is hardly 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:30.360 known by America. There's one book written written by Minor 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:34.280 Francis Buchanan, a lawyer in Jackson, Mississippi, who wrote a 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:38.240 book on Whult Collier. That's it, and it's hard to get. 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:42.640 He now has books he made after the podcast, he 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:47.680 reprinted the book. Awesome because I'm still getting DM ye. 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:51.280 He reprinted the book and so you can now go 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:56.320 to Minor Francis Buchanan's website and order the book Hulk Collier. Well, 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:04.120 so Misty, what say you? Yeah, Brent yay bah yeah, 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:09.920 Josh yeah, Gary yeah yeah yeah yeah, Clay yea, all right, 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.080 Holt Caller is now officially people in the Bargreas Hall 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:17.240 of Fame voted twice. Garry voted twice. Yeah he's yeah, yeah, 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:19.920 but I'm all in good putting me down for he's 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:23.720 a worthy candidate, right, Yeah, are we conducting someone else too. Yeah, 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:25.640 so this is this is a big day, big day 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:29.520 for Holt Caller. Okay. The second person that I would 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:31.960 like to induct into the Bear Grease Hall of Fame 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:37.040 irrevocable by historical revisionists one hundred years from now. If 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:39.600 you're if you're a hundred years from now listening to 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:43.800 this on some archival mechanism that you can listen to 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:48.400 stuff like this, you can't change this. I would like 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:58.040 to induct to Kumsa, the Shawnee Shawnee leader. Incredible. The Really, 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:01.800 when I do these series, I just I just get 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.920 into these guys and I just feel like I know him. 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:09.120 And we did a big three part series just finished it. 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:13.200 Unti Kumsa. His name means a panther crossing the sky. 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:17.640 He was a visionary. He was He led the largest 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:23.160 combined Native American forces against the United States of any 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:27.480 Indian leader in American history. Basically, he was the biggest 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:35.640 threat to American expansion westward by Native Americans, and he 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:39.680 was considered by some to be one of the greatest 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:43.960 potentially in so speculatives, we don't have no recordings of them, 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:47.160 but by evidence by the way that he could move people. 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:53.200 One of the greatest orators in American history, potentially great warrior, 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.160 great hunter, walked with Olympus whole life because when he 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:58.160 was twenty one, he fell off his horse when he 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:03.560 was hunting a bison. Incredible man, incredible resoluteness. Died when 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:06.359 he was forty five years old. Prophesied his own death, 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:12.520 Shawnee leader to Compson Misty, what say you, yes, as 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:14.760 long as we call him by his proper name, to come, 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:21.760 that's right, good answer, good answer. Well say yea, yeah, 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:23.639 but I'll have to pull a tooth or two to 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:28.879 get to comforth consecutive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, absolutely, one 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:34.280 hundred percent. Ben, definitely. Ben's in. Josh, I'm in. Absolute, 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:38.399 you're in. I'm in. All right, let it be heard. 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.639 We've now inducted two new people into the Burghers Hall 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:43.919 of Fame. There's now eight. I'll have to get the 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:47.840 engravers over here, say monument, so let it be ridden. 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:51.119 So let it be done. That's right, this is big, 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:56.480 this is big. Excellent. Well, now we're going to talk 0:17:56.520 --> 0:18:00.359 about my magnum opus. I'm told that means it's like 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:04.680 the work of your life. Yeah, okay, um the Big 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:09.680 Bear of Arkansas. This, uh, this short story. I read 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.280 it years ago and I've most likely learned about it 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:17.560 from Brooks Blevin's book that I read years and years ago, 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:20.919 his book Arkansas, Arkansas, which we're going to talk about 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:24.879 a lot. The book is titled Arkansas Spelled the Normal 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:30.919 Way with a with a with a hashmark, Arkansas Spelled 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:34.080 with the W as is that title of the book, Arkansas, Arkansas, 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:39.000 And he talked about this, this short story the Big 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:42.800 Bear of Arkansas the Southwest humorists. And what's so interesting 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:47.480 to me is that everything's so complicated, like stuff just 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:50.360 you kind of have these simple stories of the way 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:52.800 things happened, but when you really look into it, it's 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:58.760 really it's really complicated. In this guy Jet, this fictional 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:11.600 character Jim Dogget kind of branded Arkansas. Brent, what did 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:13.280 you think of the podcast? Well, what stood out to you? 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:15.520 Was there a part that was fun that it was surprising? 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:19.880 What what stood out to you? Well, I've never heard 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:24.320 that story before. That was totally ignorant of that amongst 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:31.159 a volume of things. I'm totally ignorant. But it was 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:38.600 kind of ironic that he set the tone and the 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:41.920 idea that people that weren't from your head of Arkansas, 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:43.880 and it was a guy from New York that did 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:49.680 it exactly pretty great. Interesting, Yeah, that was totally removed. 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:50.920 Might as well have been on the other side of 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:56.119 the planet, you know, as far as his relationship to 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:59.199 what was going on at that time. Here he was, 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:02.399 he was is he was coming down the river on 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:04.959 that boat. He was seeing it for the first time too, 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:09.640 you know, so I thought that was kind of ironic. Yeah, 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:13.520 but he did such a good job. Absolutely, even in 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:15.840 the way he told the bear hunt, it was clear. 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:22.120 I don't think people told Thomas Bangthorpe about about bear 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:25.120 hunting because he knew some of the It was intricate 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:30.119 details about about the way bear's bay a dog, and 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:33.800 about the way a big bear will walk a pack 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:36.919 of bay and dogs. It's something that you would you 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:39.920 got the or I got the idea he'd seen it before. Well, 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:43.240 if I described that to someone who had no context 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:46.480 for bear hunting and then I said, okay, go write 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:49.840 a story, they wouldn't include that because it's really it's 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:52.840 it's kind of unusual to see a big old bear 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:57.080 surrounded by a bunch of dogs and the bear acts 0:20:57.119 --> 0:21:01.120 like they're not even there, nonchalant. Yeah, it's it's it's like, 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:04.280 what's happening here? And I think he had to have 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:08.879 seen that and then and then all kinds of stuff. 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:11.760 I mean, even the way if that was a coincidence, 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.920 it was like a bolt of lightning, and I don't 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:17.960 think it was. Yeah, I think there's some one of 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:21.000 the things. You know, when you see somebody else or 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:24.720 when you see another culture, you pick out things about 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:27.960 that culture that they don't even realize they do themselves. Yeah, 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:30.439 And so I think that's a piece of this is 0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:34.240 that he the description the man telling the story sounded 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:37.120 like my uncle's. I mean that it was like, oh, yeah, 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:39.720 that's I know the type of person that's telling the story. 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:41.199 I can see it, I can hear it, I can 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:43.080 I can feel it. And I think it has to 0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:45.680 be you never know what would stand out to someone 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:49.320 who had never done something before. And so I agree 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:51.359 he probably did see a bear hunt before, because that 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:55.280 would stick out, but almost like as an unfamiliar person 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:58.280 with it, not like a routine bear hunter, but as 0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:01.119 someone who who saw it once and was kind of 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:03.920 surprised now that it was clear that he was He 0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:07.560 was enamored with folk speech, is what it was said 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:11.960 about him after literature experts were able to analyze his 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:15.439 whole the breadth of his life as a writer. So 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:18.760 he always was like going in somewhere and talking like 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:21.040 they talked. And so to be able to do that, 0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:26.440 you've got to be an astute observer of culture. Yeah, 0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:28.960 and these guys that were writers, especially back then, I 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:32.280 sometimes think the modern media is so easy for us 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:36.760 to get that it doles our senses about about people 0:22:36.880 --> 0:22:40.159 and perceptions. I don't know, everything spoon fed to us 0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:42.919 so much. These guys the only the only entertainment, the 0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:45.600 only media they had was either going to like a 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:49.159 live performance of something which would have been rare, and 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:52.600 the written word. And so a writer like Ronnella said, 0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:57.960 back in those days would have had the average writer 0:22:58.040 --> 0:22:59.879 back in those days would have had a more power 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:03.080 full command of the English language and of their craft 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:07.600 than than probably the writer today. Right, And but it's 0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:13.920 clear that he was an observer of typically rural culture. Yeah. 0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:16.760 You know, if you listen to a if you're traveling 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:20.840 and you're in Alabama and you watch a newscast, the 0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:23.760 local newscast, they talk just exactly like the people do 0:23:23.840 --> 0:23:30.159 in California, that in Montana, in Arkansas, the there's and 0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:32.440 a lot of them I'm sure from different places. But 0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:35.880 like even the people newscasters, the newscasters that are from 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:41.120 Arkansas that are on our local statewide television, they all 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:44.399 they all talk the same. You talk different than me, 0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:48.560 We talk different than Josh and Ben. So it's all 0:23:48.640 --> 0:23:50.640 what I'm saying is, back then he paid a lot 0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:54.440 more at tension to and I guess everything that's now 0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:58.639 is is fed or designed to be appealing to everybody's 0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:01.520 and back then it was, hey, this is exactly what 0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:04.480 this folks, what these people sound like, or this particular 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:07.920 person in this particular spot. Yeah, so that was cool 0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:10.760 to me. Well, yeah, it's interesting you say that about newscasters. 0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:15.400 They try to find people that have what's what's the 0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:20.959 name for an accent that is just so neutral, like 0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:26.080 a neutral like a neutral American accent. Yeah, Saint Louis, Yeah, 0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:31.200 Midwestern or Midwestern. I think Christie has one. I think 0:24:31.280 --> 0:24:35.000 Christie has one too. Josh's wife Christie accent? Really you 0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:39.160 think so? Yeah, same as she's from the Midwest. Who jet, 0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:41.639 My wife's from the Midwest. This one come across a 0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:47.960 not having an accent. Hm, well, they do that politicians 0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:50.639 typically do better on a national scale if they have 0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:54.320 a generic accent. Is that true. I believe it to 0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:56.159 be true. I don't know if it is. Do you 0:24:56.200 --> 0:24:59.760 have anything to back any I think, to be honest. 0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:01.760 Of all people that I thought would come up on 0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:05.040 the Beargage podcast, I heard them say that Barack Obama 0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:09.760 had a very generic accent, like he wasn't Southern, he 0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:12.680 wasn't northern, he wasn't this, he wasn't that. And they 0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:17.040 say that he's one of the greatest orators of American 0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:21.040 presidents a long time. Yeah, And I think that's true 0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:25.240 when I think about also other other in terms of 0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:28.720 like preferences. You know, I agree one hundred percent with 0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:31.600 a statement. I think Barack Obama was in an incredible order. 0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:36.639 I think if you look at our very own Bill Clinton, 0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:39.439 you know, he had an accent, Yeah, and people liked 0:25:39.520 --> 0:25:42.040 them and they found him charming. And you look at 0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:45.600 because people like people from the South, if you look 0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:49.360 at his campaign like that is that is not That's 0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:51.200