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Speaker 1: My name is Clay and Nukam and this is a

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Speaker 1: production of the bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render,

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Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast presented by f

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Speaker 1: HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the place as

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Speaker 1: we explore. Welcome to the Bear Grease Render. We have

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Speaker 1: a pretty normal crew of the Render here today and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about the magnum opus of my life. Wow,

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Speaker 1: this podcast is the best podcast that's ever been created,

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Speaker 1: none accepted. Wow. Wow, that's that's my opinion. Let me

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Speaker 1: introduce who's here today. I have my lovely wife, Missy

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Speaker 1: knucom to my left. Hello, great to have you here,

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Speaker 1: Great to be here. To Missy's left, Brent Reeves Bent. Okay, glad,

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Speaker 1: I want to hear what you think about this this podcast.

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Speaker 1: All right? I listened to Brent's left, Ben Lagron, thanks

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Speaker 1: for all the time, buddy. You've been here a couple

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Speaker 1: of times on the burgera surrender a couple of times,

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Speaker 1: Ben Ben feels particularly familiar today because he has a

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighties Bess Pro Shop hat on. Yeah. Those are

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Speaker 1: once every other week. Yes, it's my micro celebrity grows

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Speaker 1: are you Landing, Hey, Well, you asked me my name,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, Josh Billmaker, and he goes, are

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Speaker 1: you familiar with the Bear Grease podcast? I said, way

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Speaker 1: too familiar. He said what's your middle name? And you

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Speaker 1: that's great. To your left, the man who's been missing

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Speaker 1: Good to be here, yeah, man, good to have you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've been listening to your stuff at last. Render group

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Speaker 1: was really good. Did you like it? Yeah? I really did. Man.

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Speaker 1: I'm at the Squirrel yeah camp, Yeah did you Yeah.

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Speaker 1: monumental Beargreas Render because we are well. Let me back,

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Speaker 1: let me back up one step. There is such a thing.

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Speaker 1: There is such a thing called the Beargrease Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 1: which is a very real thing. This isn't a joke.

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Speaker 1: Like one day, I believe there will be a mountain

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Speaker 1: The current the current Beargrease Hall of Famers are number one.

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Speaker 1: My dear friend James Lawrence from Mina, Arkansas. Yes, long time,

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Speaker 1: the world. Um. Misty says that when I would come home,

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00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: we realized how big of an accent like dad had

424
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: in my accent would increase. Yeah, but when I was

425
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: away it was it was kind of less, I mean,

426
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: like totally unconscious of what was having. We have a

427
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,719
Speaker 1: home video of Claying his dad talking and it's almost

428
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: comical to listen to because in the conversation you hear

429
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: Clay talking more newcome southern. Yeah. You know, what's what's

430
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: interesting about that to me is that my dad taught

431
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: what we called a country school back when I lived

432
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: in Hot Springs, you know, a pretty good sized place

433
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: for Arkansas, and he was he was ten or fifteen

434
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: miles out of town at what we called a country school. No,

435
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 1: it was found like now, it's a big school, you

436
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: know for Arkansas. And uh, I went there third, fourth,

437
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: and fifth grade, and I picked up this accent. My

438
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 1: oldest sister went there. I guess she was about in

439
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: the seventh grade when we moved there, and she stayed

440
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: there all through high school. She's got the most country

441
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: accent you've ever heard. And my other sisters stay at

442
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: Hot Springs. And she asked what you'd kind of think

443
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: of as a neutral accent and just being being in

444
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: that country school for three years, I developed this country accent,

445
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: which I think it's not as bad as it used

446
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: to be, and bad might not be the right word.

447
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: It's probably not as distinct as it was twenty years ago. Well,

448
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: and then and then you go down into Brent's part

449
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 1: of the world, which Brent lives three hours from me,

450
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: down in the flat lands, and you used to live

451
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: even further south than that, and that accent down there

452
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: is very different. So point being, there's not really a

453
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: Southern accent that everyone could get behind. Perhaps there's certain words,

454
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: but but anyway, Thorpe was able to pick up on

455
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: something very unique. But truth be known to me, I

456
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: would I would like to think everybody in Arkansas in

457
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: eighteen forty one was like Jim Doggat. But the reason

458
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: that this was a fantastic story is because Jim Doggat

459
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: was exceptional. He was a character. He was he was

460
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: an exaggerated caricature of probably a I'm not gonna say

461
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: a small group of people, because there were a lot

462
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: of a lot of backwoods them and then hunters, but

463
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: there were also a lot of people in Little Rock

464
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: that were that we're trying to get away from that

465
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: we're trying to get away from that image that, like

466
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: Bob Cochrane said, they wouldn't have liked this story. They

467
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: would have been like, that's not who we are. And

468
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: there's still people like that today that are trying to

469
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: move away from. Yeah, this this image, but no, that's

470
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: a good that's a that's a good one. Um. I

471
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: want to go around the room and just get your

472
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: just like what stood out to you? Whatever it was, Ben,

473
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: what stood out to you? Well? I think what I

474
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: was pondering a lot during the episode and and I

475
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: look forward to the next episode because I think you're

476
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: probably gonna hit on this a lot is just how

477
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: fast that formed an identity around our Kansans. Yeah, and

478
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: I was looking at it from a real broad like

479
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: human picture of like, man, why are we all so

480
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: quick to try to put a certain people in a

481
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: box to understand it? I think there is a desire

482
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: to try to understand and identify the similarity so we

483
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: can relate to people, identify the differences so we can

484
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: better understand them. And sometimes as humans, we try to

485
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: compare ourselves to make ourselves feel better, you know. But

486
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: I thought that was really interesting part of that story

487
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: and how that formed the identity of Americans, And it

488
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: made me think about just in my own travels. I've

489
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: been fortunate to travel the world soon, but I really

490
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: like what the professor said about whenever you shine a

491
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: light you it actually makes the space bigger. Analogy name.

492
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: His name was Bob Cochrane. Okay, Bob. Jessica. My wife

493
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: had like five classes with him. He is like her hero.

494
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: I was listening to in the kitchen during lunch today.

495
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: She's like Bob Cochrane in fact, like he's a cool

496
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: old guy man. He's like seventy five or something. In

497
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: the honor school. Like all these believer all these students

498
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: like loved him, and they had this kind of this

499
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: joke of like does Bob Cochrane know your name? Well,

500
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: he knows my name, Like yeah, yeah, just a brilliant man. Well,

501
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: I really like that. And you know, I'm talking about

502
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: when the light shines on something, You're um, did that analogy?

503
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: I had to think about that a little bit before

504
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: it made sense. Did it make sense to everybody? Yeah

505
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: yeah right away? Yeah yeah, yeah. Well, and I thought

506
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: that smart and I thought about just my experiences in traveling.

507
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: So when I was in college, I taught English in Cairo, Egypt,

508
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: and got to live in a Muslim culture that over

509
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: over in America. Did you wear that bass pro hat?

510
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: I did not, And uh, you know, in America by

511
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,719
Speaker 1: that point that would have been like, I don't know,

512
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: like twenty twenty, two thousand and eight something that people

513
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: had a very preconceived notion of Muslim life. And I

514
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: really enjoyed getting to know that culture for real. But

515
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: the more I got to know the culture in Cairo,

516
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: I quickly found out it was very different than the

517
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: Egyptian culture. And Alexandra, you know, only a couple hours

518
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: of north, very different than Jordan or Syria. And but

519
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: the more ignorant you are, you kind of just lump

520
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: everybody into a certain group. Yeah, And so the more ignorant,

521
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: not in a derogatory way, but literally literally like if

522
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: you don't know, yeah, you would think all these people

523
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: the same kind of Like we talked about it on

524
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: the TCMPS episode that in general, a lot of Americans

525
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: would think Native Americans were just one group of yeah,

526
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: but they were actually very vastly different, hundreds of tribes.

527
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: And so it's caused me to do that less like

528
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: less generalized and be genuinely interested when I meet somebody

529
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: from somewhere not stereotyping. Now. I used to get so

530
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: annoyed when I would meet people from big cities and

531
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: you know, they found out was from Arkansas. You hear

532
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: the same glass, they all wear your shoes. Did you

533
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: marry your cousin? I mean this classic stuff that's weird.

534
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: You know, I carried that inferior already complex, like like

535
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: you kind of hinted on by the next episode, But

536
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: I've changed to where now I'm when when I get

537
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: those responses, I almost not pity them, and I was

538
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, wow, like you really don't know

539
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: that you're ignorant. You really you've never been in Arkansas. Yeah,

540
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: but it's like, wow, your worldview is really small, because

541
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: what I've learned is this everywhere you go, there's something

542
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: interesting about every place and every person and and so.

543
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: I but you could just see back then, when media

544
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: is so limited, how that one story would catch catch

545
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: fire and that would just brand your way of viewing

546
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: that and these are things we just didn't have time

547
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: to go into on this, but that story just okay,

548
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: let's go back. If there was a company. If there

549
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: was a YouTube channel that did really good in a

550
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: certain space, like in the hunting space, what would happen?

551
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: That YouTube channel would be copied and other guys will

552
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 1: start doing the same stuff. I mean, there's a thousand examples,

553
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: from meat eater to the hunting public to I mean,

554
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 1: just like a thousand, like everybody kind of well, when

555
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: this story came out and it did so good, it

556
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: was published in New York City and went all across

557
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: the country, and everybody talked about everybody loved it. And

558
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: then so what happened is that a bunch of boys

559
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: in Arkansas started writing about bear hunting, and so it

560
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: kind of fed on its own, on its own gravy,

561
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: you know. Well and yeah, and then later Mark Twain

562
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: was kicked up on that, on that type of stuff.

563
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: But um, what I what me and doctor Blevins talked

564
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: about which wasn't on the cut, which is what's so

565
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 1: great about the beargars renders we can talk about this

566
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: is that as much as I would love to say

567
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: Arkansas was the bear hunting capital of the world during

568
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 1: that time, it was, I mean, it was as good

569
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: as there was anywhere, but it certainly wasn't the best.

570
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: They were bear hunting everywhere. It was the creation state. Yeah,

571
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: but you know in Mississippi they were killing bears like crazy.

572
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: In Missouri they were killing bears. In Kentucky they were

573
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: killing bears. So it us becoming the bear state was

574
00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: really tied to this media branding it and and that

575
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: is really interesting. And I said on the podcast that

576
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: this is a pretty darn near new to earth experience

577
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: of media and in Beargrease, in the Beargrease world, we

578
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: think about the world and the massive big picture of history. Yeah,

579
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: humans have been around for a long long time, and

580
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: media with printing and audio and video is an extremely

581
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: new thing. To be kind not the idea of marketing.

582
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: I'm sure the fulsome hunters would have gone to their

583
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 1: neighbors and been like, dude, you should try out this.

584
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so I mean they were marketing. They were

585
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: they were, but but and not that marketing media are

586
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: different things. They're kind of lumped together. But point being,

587
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 1: it's pretty new in the media like we have today

588
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: is a completely new human experiment, really is there has

589
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: never been anything like this before. Ye or you're being

590
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: so you're being you're being told so many stories and

591
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: they all have in a agenda. I mean, just like

592
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: the Big Bear of Arkansas. I don't think Thomas bang

593
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: Thorpe's was. Thomas Bangsthorpe was wanting to brand Arkansas as

594
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: a bear state. That was the last thing in his mind.

595
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: But it did it. People took it for that, you know.

596
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: And then there's another real famous guy that was actually

597
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: more famous than Thomas Bangsthorpe named Pete Wetstone. He wrote

598
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 1: under the name Pete Whetstone and wrote hundreds of articles.

599
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: He was from Batesville, Arkansas, and he talked about bear

600
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: hunting all the time. A little bit later, a little

601
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: bit later, just like maybe just even a few years later.

602
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: But I thought it was interesting that Thorpe this was

603
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: the pinnacle of his writing career and the second best

604
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: was Did y'all understand what Cochran was saying. He said

605
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: that The Big Bear of Arkansas was the pinnacle of

606
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: Thorpe's career, and it happened early on in his career.

607
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: And he said the second best, most receipt well received

608
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: short story that he wrote was called A Piano in Arkansas.

609
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: He said it was trivial compared to it took him.

610
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: It took a minute to tell. Yeah, what did a

611
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: good story though, but it was a story like we

612
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: would tell today. It didn't have all that Yeah yeah, yeah,

613
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: it was like the chandelier story that Jerry Clover told.

614
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: I mean, it was that quick. I think. I think

615
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: one of the things that I really appreciated about the

616
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: story is my when I was in high school, I

617
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: had a teacher named Missus, Missus Shoemaker, and she was

618
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: a very strict English teacher, but there was something about

619
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: her that made you love English, made you love vocabulary.

620
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: She just she built that into us. So I've always

621
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: had a great appreciation for someone who could paint a

622
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: picture in your mind. And I love the way it's

623
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: not just the story, it's everything surrounding it. Yeah. And

624
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 1: so when you when you picture him on the riverboat

625
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: and you you know, you picture him tall, you picture

626
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: him boots, you know what I mean when he tells

627
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: when he says, the line that I liked was, um,

628
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: I didn't know whether the dog was made front and bear. Yeah.

629
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: I loved that. I loved those those phrases that just

630
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: make you it's a really novel idea, you know. And

631
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: I appreciate that about the story. This podcast. We're recording

632
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: this podcast. You're listening to you right now. On the

633
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: day that this podcast came out, I've already been somebody's

634
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: already sent me a post that someone put on Instagram

635
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: and they have their their squirrel dogs sitting in the

636
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: driver's seat of their truck and they take a picture

637
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: of him and he's all astute looking out the window

638
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: at squirrels and it says, I don't know if he

639
00:39:48,160 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: was made for him Instagram. So yeah, I think that's

640
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: I mean, the story of the piano in Arkansas, it's

641
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: a cute story, but it doesn't create the It's almost

642
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: like as you hear him tell the story, it's like

643
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: it's like the pictures are unfolding and like someone's painting

644
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: it as you're walking through it. And I really I

645
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: have a great appreciation for that. Yeah, I think that

646
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: was to me one of the I really enjoyed the

647
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: part where you and Steve Rannella talked about just language

648
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 1: and and how how they had such a strong command

649
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: of the language, and I think it really is something

650
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: that is missing in modern in modern discourse, and I

651
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: you know, brit In Clay sometimes get on these these

652
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: kicks where they write each other via text in old

653
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: English format, so they'll write things like lengthy messages it's

654
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: been a fortnight since and I am privileged sometimes to

655
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: be cced on these messages and I get to enjoy them,

656
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: but you know they were there is something to be

657
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: said about just like as an educator, and Ben can

658
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: probably back me up on this, like when you are writing,

659
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: it is doing something different inside your brain than when

660
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: you're speaking, or then when you're receiving knowledge, when when

661
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: like Josh talks to me, different activities are happening in

662
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: my brain than when I write something out, and those

663
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: when you're creating things. That's how you become a good speaker.

664
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: That's how you become a good writer. Is the brain

665
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: activity that's happening when you frequently write. And these guys

666
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: were writing all the time. I mean, that's it's it's

667
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: becoming a lost art in our culture. And if you

668
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: even look at the difference inside of education and curriculum

669
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: today versus fifty years ago versus one hundred years ago,

670
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: it was much more focused and centered on writing than

671
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: it would than what we're doing now. And even as

672
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: an educator, you think about the amount of and I'm

673
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: not opposed to this, like I'm not one hundred percent

674
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: posts of this, but a lot of the emphasis for

675
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: us as educators is to be entertainers, like education should

676
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: be engaging and entertaining. And yeah, and it's it's interesting

677
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 1: all of those little tiny choices that we've made over

678
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: the last whether it's you know, you look at the Internet,

679
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: of course that has a big impact. You have smartphones

680
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: that has a big impact, but also just even the

681
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: basic decisions we're making about how we instruct and how

682
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: we teach people. It's taking this wonderful, beautiful thing that

683
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: we have in written language that translates to beautiful oratorical feats,

684
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: and it's we're losing that as a culture. We're losing that, mister.

685
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody in here is familiar with it,

686
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: but Abraham there's a famous letter that he wrote to

687
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: a mother of I think it's a letter to missus Bixby. Yes,

688
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: have you read that? I have? I couldn't quote it

689
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: for link and wrote one called by first Night. Now, yeah,

690
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: part of the loss. Most eloquent letters I've ever written.

691
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: It's it's a short paragraph he wrote to this lady

692
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: who had five sons that were killed during during the

693
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: Civil War. I do remember that it is uns you

694
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: know what. I think it actually in a movie. I

695
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: can read it right here, it's so sure. Yeah, Rinella

696
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: brought up Lincoln. Yeah, yeah, that's what made me think

697
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: about this letter. Read it all right. I've got like

698
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: the original version here, and I'm trying to see I've

699
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 1: been dear madam. I have been shown in the files

700
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 1: of the War Department a statement of the Adjudant General

701
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: of Massachusetts that you are the mother of five sons

702
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 1: who have died gloriously on the field of battle. I

703
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: feel how weak and fruitless must be any words of

704
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 1: mine which should attempt to beguile you from the grief

705
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: of loss so overwhelming. But I cannot refrain from tendering

706
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: to you the consolation that may be found in the

707
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: thanks of the republic they die to save. I pray

708
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: that our heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of your

709
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: bereavement and leave you only the cherish memory of the

710
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: loved and lost, and the solemn pride that must be

711
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: yours to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the

712
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: altar of freedom. Yours very sincerely and respectfully a Lincoln.

713
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: He wrote that he didn't have a speech writer. Yeah,

714
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: that's that is Yeah, that's pretty emotional without without backspacing,

715
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: and exactly, yeah dad, what did you think? Well, man,

716
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: you off said at all. But oh you know, I

717
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: really really really really really really like this. It was

718
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: just I don't mean it was it just created at

719
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: all of that culture where orators ran the world. I mean,

720
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: they were the ones. They were the powerful ones, you know,

721
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: you think hunters, you warriors, whatever. Uh. The way he

722
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 1: spoke what was that called the southern something he's Southern dialect. Yeah, yeah,

723
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: folk type deal speech, you know, his his little comments

724
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: that he would make about the beard had moved and yeah,

725
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 1: you know I loved him like a brother and yeah.

726
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: Uh and and we've I think we've lost that, you know.

727
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: Um one of them mentioned Mark Twain and Huck Finn

728
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: and Tom Sawyer. I mean, how many kids grew up

729
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: thinking they were real people, right? I mean I mean

730
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: they they created disillusion that that you know, these are

731
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: real people, you know, and uh, today we don't need that.

732
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: We don't have time for that. I want to turn

733
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: on the news, get it quick, you know. Uh. So

734
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: I was intrigued by that change in our culture where

735
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: you know, writing the written word was powerful. Now you

736
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: know the sound yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go

737
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. So uh anyway, and I made little notes

738
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: on all these little comments are so what are you?

739
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: What's in your notes? So you know? Uh uh? I

740
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: mean because it helps me to remind me of some

741
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: of the stuffing. Okay, so much. Actually Jiuju did this

742
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: as we were coming up here, I said, make some

743
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: notes here. Um, the bar was an unhuntable bear bar

744
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: who died when his time had come. And in other words,

745
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: I could I could envision that so much. You know,

746
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: we hear about a guy killing or a girl killing

747
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: a big old buck and you know, they don't know

748
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 1: what they're doing, they look up and shoot it, shooted

749
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: off the front porch. And when we go that that

750
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: animals should not have died that way, right right, And

751
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: and you know his analogy was that that the bear

752
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: knew his time had come, and there was a spiritual

753
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: aspect to it that, yeah, don't when you're with your buddies,

754
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: don't talk about how are you gonna hunt this bear?

755
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: Because he might hear, he might hear you. Man, I

756
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 1: love that so much. I'm total speculation, but that's what

757
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: literary critics do, is that he and Sid I mean, basically,

758
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: Jim Dogget said, the bear might have heard me talking

759
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: about what I was gonna do. And that is a

760
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: legitimate thing inside of for sure the Coukon people, but

761
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 1: probably if you really dissected, would be in other Native

762
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: American ideas. But the Coukon, you know, we have this

763
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 1: research and they absolutely believed like you don't you don't

764
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: talk about it bear, you speak in code. That the

765
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: example they give in the book. Nelson gave him the bookcase.

766
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: He said that Josh, if me, if I went out

767
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: today and found some bear tracks in the snow and

768
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: tomorrow I wanted to go and hunt them, I wouldn't.

769
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say, hey, Josh, let's go hunt that bear.

770
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: I would say, Josh, tomorrow, I'm gonna go around the

771
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: mountain and probably carry a gun with me. You're interested

772
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: in going definitely, And you would know, yeah, wink, you

773
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't know what I was talking about. I mean, it

774
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: wasn't a joke to them. They lived in a very

775
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: spiritual world. And I just thought that was so interesting.

776
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: And then Moore is going to come out in later episodes.

777
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: But dog gets doctrine about the creation bearing the creation state,

778
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: very very Native American feel and what you're gonna learn,

779
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: and this is foreshadowing, but I'm shining a light on

780
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 1: the shadow so that you see what I'm talking about.

781
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: There's a deep one is that in the in the

782
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: Arkansas Delta, there was a thing that was happening that

783
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: was really unique where some of the first Europeans that

784
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: came there were that occupied there, were French and they

785
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 1: lived with the claw poles, and they actually intermarried and

786
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: kind of had this weird thing going on where they

787
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: just all kind of lived together and got along and traded,

788
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: you know, for a pretty short period of time. But

789
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: there was a deep indoctrination of some of those backwoods

790
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: folks and with Native Americans. So it's like dogg It

791
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: for sure had some Native American doctrine running in his blood. Dad,

792
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: tell me what else is on your list? Up? Eyes

793
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: flashed with so much fire it would have scorched a

794
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: cat talking about bear shot. Bear shot in forehead and

795
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 1: walked down the tree as gently as a lady from

796
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: a carriage. Yeah, can't you just see it? Just kind

797
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: of just kind of just kind of and that that point,

798
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 1: I think he slapped a dog out of sight. Let

799
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: me tell you something. Going back to Thorpe knowing bear hunting, right,

800
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: I'll tell you there's one group of people in the

801
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: world who are experts on bears climbing and coming out

802
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: of trees. Do you know who it is? And the

803
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: first time that I saw a big black bear up

804
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: a tree I was in I was in Appalachia and

805
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 1: West Virginia and there was a bear that was tree.

806
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: I bet he was sixty foot up in some big

807
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: old gum, you know, big big tree, setting up there

808
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: on a limb, and we pulled the dogs off the

809
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: We weren't hunting, it wasn't hunting season, it was training season.

810
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: We pulled the dogs back off the tree, and the

811
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: bear could have come down this pole. This is just

812
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: this big limbless tree. But he walked across a limb

813
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: about as big as my leg, probably seven or eight feet,

814
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 1: walked across it like a squirrel, jumped onto a little

815
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: sycamore about as big as a tell phone poll, and

816
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: came down at least fifty foot as fast as a

817
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,919
Speaker 1: gray squirrel could have well I'm not kidding you. I've

818
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: never seen I mean, a bear hunter is going to

819
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: be like, well yeah, but Thorpe saying and it was

820
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: just this one smooth motion and it was so weird

821
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: because he walked out on this limb, just walked across

822
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: this limb, jumped on a tree, and slid down like

823
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 1: a fireman. Hey, right, there is a perfect example of

824
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: our culture telling that story. If Thorpe had told that story,

825
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you would really be glued to your seat,

826
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: and it probably would have taken five minutes. You know.

827
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: Uh now, I who would have told it? Thorpe? Well yeah,

828
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: I mean if he'd have told what's the story you

829
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: just told? Right right, it would have been so much combellished. Yeah,

830
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: well so we we you're saying, he made a good

831
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: metaphor that painted it for us, kind of yeah, in

832
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: as more simple way as that would. Yeah, it's like

833
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: this stuff I'm reading. Yeah, this bear moaned in a

834
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 1: thing like a thousand centers. Man, I mean, this guy

835
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: had some spirituality. But later he said Sampson, Hey man,

836
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: if this bear if Samson, Yeah, there was so much

837
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: to talk about. But when he said, uh, he said

838
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: that this bear groaned like a thousand centers. This was

839
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: written in eighteen forty one. This was a time of

840
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: massive revival in in frontier America. This was something that

841
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: was connecting with people because there were these kind of

842
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 1: charismatic revivals and people would go into these sessions of

843
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: repentance and be loud and showy, and so him saying

844
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: that connected to people. Oh but he knew that a

845
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: bear death moaned. How many Americans could you walk up

846
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: to today and say, is there anything peculiar that happens

847
00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 1: when you shoot a bear? And it does? I mean, I,

848
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't, I don't know. I don't know

849
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: how many out of a thousand a thousand random Americans,

850
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: I would say ten, maybe maybe probably. I didn't know that. Okay, yeah,

851
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: they have a wild death moan. One of the few animals.

852
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: I tried to look up all the animals that do it.

853
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: The only one I know for sure that does is

854
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: a Kpe buffalo. That's the only one that's that. I

855
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: did not know that. But Dad and I the first

856
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: bear that we ever killed, death moaned, and we didn't

857
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: know that they did that. And uh, but the way

858
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: he described it was so was so what else is

859
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: on your list. Good. Hey, hey, one thing you triggered

860
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: my thought was I was really um caught up in

861
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: the fact that people from the east wanted these stories.

862
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: I mean, this was like, please deliver something to us. Yeah,

863
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: we want to know what y'are doing, you know out west.

864
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: Out west was Mississippi, Arkansas. You know, um, and you

865
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: know we're the same way today. I want to get

866
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: on the news and I want to find out stuff,

867
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: you know, and they were hungry for these type of stories.

868
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: The bear fell through a fence like a tree falling

869
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: through a cobweb. I mean, you know, we just don't

870
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: talk that way. Every every little thought he had he created,

871
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 1: it's an own image in your mind. You know, you're

872
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: going like, wow, it's a heck of a bear. Well,

873
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: when he came over the fence, he came over like

874
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: black smoke. Yeah, And I mean it's like, all of

875
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: a sudden, your mind just goes like black smoke being

876
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: graceful to barbaric when he lived there. So I tell

877
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: the story. Josh tells a story. We go, we tell

878
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: the story. You know, we put us off in a room,

879
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: we tell the story. We tell it in five minutes.

880
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: Hunting stories over this guy. I mean he's created ten, fifteen,

881
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: twenty thirty different stories. My mind just sees this bear

882
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: running through the woods being followed by a pack of hands.

883
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: Only reason he's running, in my mind, it's entertainment. Once

884
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 1: he gets tired, he goes, okay, boys, gigs up, I'm

885
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: gonna slap you out of sight or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

886
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: You know, if you've ever seen a bear navigate and obstacle,

887
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: it's shocking if you if I don't think he would

888
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 1: have described a deer jumping a fence like a tree

889
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: falling through a cobboy, he would have described it different.

890
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: But a bear, they are extremely articulate with all their

891
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 1: feet and they can just move through stuff. I mean,

892
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: they are some of the most mobile animals and able

893
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: to move their body. In the description of it coming

894
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: over the fence like a black mist, it's just kind

895
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: of like it's kind of like a ball of jello,

896
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: just like yeah, just kind of like how did he

897
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,720
Speaker 1: do that? What? Look up on YouTube a bear climbing

898
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 1: a chain link fence and it just you're just like,

899
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: how did he do that? So Thorpe interesting, Thorpe had

900
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: been around bears. I think I think so too. He

901
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 1: almost had to to know that a bear would just

902
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: stop after a little bit, just goes man, I'm tired

903
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,959
Speaker 1: of playing this game, yep. And only big bears do that. Yeah,

904
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: the little bears. The little bears typically today anyway, we

905
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: will run and run and run and run and not

906
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: even tree. The big ones often stay on the ground

907
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: or just barely get up in trees. The midsize bears

908
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: are usually I mean a small You can tree a

909
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: small bear, but rarely would you tree a big giant

910
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: like five or six hundred pound bear. That bear is

911
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: almost always going to stay on the ground. Yeah, but interesting. Interesting.

912
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting the conversation you guys had

913
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: about you know, the one that got away or the

914
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: order the you know, after killing the trophy there's a

915
00:56:56,040 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: sense of loss, which made me think that that's why

916
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: angling is superior to hunting. So just one everything. You

917
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: can catch him release. I mean I can catch a

918
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: trophy fish on my fire rod, put him back and

919
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: dream about catching him again. Well, now if you want

920
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: to go there now with bear hunting with the hounds, though,

921
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: it's the catching release sport man, you only kill the

922
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: ones you want. It's like you with fishing. There you go.

923
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: So it really is you can treat him and let

924
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: them go. It's tough to tree a deer, though, Well,

925
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: yeah you can, I guess. Let them walk, you let him,

926
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: you can let him watch something. Something I never did

927
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: a whole house. I had a guy I want to

928
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: play off something. I had a guy right in you

929
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: Remember I asked people, I said, what do you think

930
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: he meant by creation, bear, creation state and finishing up state?

931
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: What do you think, dad? I think he was putting

932
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: a spiritual connotation. It was such a magnificent animal. It

933
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,479
Speaker 1: was beyond belief, especially to the Eastern nurse. They would

934
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: not believe what he was seeing in the wild. So

935
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: it had to be here from the beginning, Sampson, he

936
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: would have got whipped by this bear in the state

937
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: was the same way. It was such a magnificent place.

938
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: That's the way I saw it. I'm gonna see what

939
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: do y'all? What do y'all think? It's a tough one.

940
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: I kind of thought. I kind of thought a similar

941
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: thing like like this bear was was spoken spoken from

942
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: the word of God, you know what I mean, into

943
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: the earth, and he had just been a fixture you

944
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: know what I mean, he was such a magnificent creature

945
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: that he'd been a fixture on the earth. You know, Ben,

946
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: I honestly didn't know, because and I used to study

947
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: a lot of history in that time period. People use

948
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: words in ways that we don't know, right, and so

949
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: just because we think think that's what creation means, I

950
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: honestly have literally no idea what he might have said.

951
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: I've never read it. Didn't it do exactly what you

952
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: feel like the author wanted it to do? Probably? So yeah,

953
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: I mean there's no doubt, Like you don't hear that

954
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: and think, oh, this was a inconsequential bear? Yeah, exactly.

955
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: You hear it and you're like, oh, this is a

956
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: special Yeah, it was very biblical to me listening or

957
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: my interpretation of what he was saying. Okay, a guy

958
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: from Pennsylvania sent me this. He must listened to the

959
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: podcast at four am. Clay, I hope this voice memo

960
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: reaches you. Well, Um, I just listened to your podcast

961
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: on on the bear, um the creation Bear, and I

962
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: just wanted to share my thoughts on on the what

963
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: I think the creation bear means and what the creation

964
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: state means. I think it's the platonic ideal of a bear. Um.

965
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: I think he saw that bear as not only sort

966
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: of the perfect representation physically, but also culturally and spiritually

967
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: of a bear. U. And I think he used to

968
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: Creation's interesting because the same with Arkansas. I believe he

969
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: sees it as a as you know, these are two

970
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: things that represents God's hand and they aren't muddied up

971
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: by worldly impurities. So that guy's name is Martin Highly

972
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: from Pennsylvania. But what he was saying was that it

973
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: was the representative bear, undefiled by anything else, undefiled by

974
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: the world. And that fits with him saying Arkansas is

975
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 1: the creation state, the perfect state, undefiled by the world,

976
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: like Eden. I guess, yeah, like a like an Eden.

977
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: We'll say. Yeah. That's the beauty of the way he

978
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: wrote is that you create your own answer. Yeah, you know,

979
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: you see a bear walking down a tree like a

980
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: lady climbing it off a carriage slaps a bear into wherever.

981
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: I mean, so you can take that. I think your

982
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: answer would be correct. We don't know what that means,

983
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: but to me that's what it meant. It was, you know,

984
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: it was bigger than life. It created an image of

985
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: dogg It that we wouldn't have had before because it's like, Wow,

986
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: this guy, this guy knows something we don't know he

987
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: And that's that was Bob Cochrane. We weren't able to

988
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: include it, but he talked about how this story from

989
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: a literary perspective is really unique and how dog It

990
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: is set up. And it's because the city slicker from

991
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: New Orleans is so anonymous and vanilla, like, there's no

992
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: personality to this guy from New Orleans, like everybody is

993
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: like little, and dog It is huge, and dog It

994
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: becomes the envy and people see him and they're enamored

995
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: with him. And there there it breaks the stereotypes like

996
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: Ronella said of this country bumpkin, rural backwoodsman and Kylie.

997
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: This guy's deeper than all of us. This guy has

998
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: this robust life. He talks about his dog Bowie Knife,

999
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: being the most modest dog, but only because he can't

1000
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: talk and he's the best bear dog in the world.

1001
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: I mean, just he was able to describe life and

1002
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: like Ronella said, he lived it with this robust lust

1003
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:25,479
Speaker 1: for life. Yeah, but that created that the creation state

1004
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: and creation bar so interesting. Well, guys, yeah, Dad, I

1005
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: was just I think you might have alluded to this,

1006
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: but it was Arkansas created for the world or the

1007
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: world for really, my hat's off to both of you

1008
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: guys on this deal. I think Ronella really hit it hard,

1009
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: you know, to the heart. Steve so sharp man. He

1010
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: you know, he's never read that before, had no knowledge

1011
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: of Thomas Bangsthorpe. Um. I gave him that essay. Well,

1012
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: I sent it to him. He printed it off. We

1013
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: were hunting together in Mexico. Here's a bad story. We're

1014
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: hunting together in Mexico. And I knew I was going

1015
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: to be with him and have my podcast stuff, and

1016
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: I said, I want to hear what you have to

1017
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: say about this essay. All I told him. I told

1018
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: him it was influential, and you know, and gave it

1019
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: to him. He prints it off, takes it to Mexico

1020
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: and like we're like, okay, we got to do this

1021
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: like this afternoon, and he's like, okay, well let me

1022
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: read that essay, and so he reads it and then

1023
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: we go right into it and he has like some

1024
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: pretty in depth analysis of it, you know. So yeah,

1025
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: he's he's sharp with literature stuff, and yeah, he was.

1026
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: He was cool to have on there. I was disappointed

1027
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: only in one aspect that well, they said Jim's last

1028
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: name Wooden Reeves. That's what I was waiting for. We

1029
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: we wanted him all to all to be our last name. Man.

1030
01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: I uh, it's it's it's to me. So as Newcombs,

1031
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: we're lucky that we had somebody did a pretty extensive

1032
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: genealogy search of the Nukembs, like our last name, and uh,

1033
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 1: there's a book. Uh, I think it's Thomas Joseph Nwcomb

1034
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: has written on the front of it, one guy from

1035
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: Scotland that came over and it's his genealogy and it

1036
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: goes and Gary Newcomb's name is in the book. Uh,

1037
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 1: you know. And and that's how that's how we know

1038
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: our history. History gets lost so easy. I mean, it

1039
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: would be nice to say how easily it gets lost

1040
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: even in modern day. Yeah. Yeah. And it's neat for

1041
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: me to think that the first Nuncambs came here right

1042
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: about the time this was written and all this was

1043
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: going down, and it was in the early eighteen thirties

1044
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 1: before Arkansas was the state, and you know, been here

1045
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: ever since. I love being connected to place. The next podcast,

1046
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 1: if you ever thought you wouldn't be interested in something,

1047
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:08,439
Speaker 1: you'd be wrong on this one. And if you think

1048
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: I don't care anything about Arkansas, you're wrong. You do

1049
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: and just don't know it because nobody ever told you.

1050
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: The next episode is going to be on Arkansas identity,

1051
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: and it's fascinating and I think there's a lot of

1052
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: things to be learned. It's about human nature, but also

1053
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: America inside of this story, which I said it on

1054
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: this one, Arkansas in the twentieth century the nineteen hundreds

1055
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:40,439
Speaker 1: was proclaimed by scholars like documentably the most ridiculed state

1056
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Speaker 1: in America. That's right where we live. So closing thoughts anybody,

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Speaker 1: I would just say I love it. Gave me a

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Speaker 1: new appreciation for literature and how artists capture the complexity

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Speaker 1: of an experience. I was thinking about experiences I've had

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Speaker 1: standing next to somebody and have a totally different perspective.

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Speaker 1: And I remember one time working on an airplane in

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Speaker 1: my buddies business where they refurbished airplanes, and it was

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Speaker 1: he needed some quick help and called me and another

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Speaker 1: guy in and we'd never had any experience there. Worked

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Speaker 1: there for like ten hours left, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: that is I never want to do that again in

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Speaker 1: my life. The guy next to me, he was like,

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Speaker 1: that was amazing. On the car ride home, all he

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Speaker 1: could talk about is how much you want to work

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Speaker 1: on airplanes? How much he loved that work, And it

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Speaker 1: just it shows that there's people with a gift that

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Speaker 1: can slow things down and capture the complexity of something.

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Speaker 1: And it makes me want to be more aware of

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Speaker 1: the experiences I have because there's beauty in it that

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Speaker 1: I may not have seen before. I liked that about

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Speaker 1: the writer. That's good. You know, we have a choice

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Speaker 1: of how we let the modern world impact us. I mean,

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Speaker 1: just because we talk about all these things coming at

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Speaker 1: us and a media pounding us every direction. We get

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Speaker 1: to choose how we live and how we develop ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Like Misty was talking about how people are. They developed

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Speaker 1: the skill to be able to interpret the world in

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Speaker 1: such a way and communicate that to other people through language,

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Speaker 1: and that was a skill that was built and it's

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Speaker 1: less now. Well, I mean, you got a decision of

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Speaker 1: what you do tonight after the sun goes down, whether

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Speaker 1: you're gonna go you know, and not that there's anything

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Speaker 1: wrong with watching television, but you know, you got a

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Speaker 1: decision of whether you're gonna do that, or whether you're

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Speaker 1: gonna read a book, or whether you're gonna talk to

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Speaker 1: talk to your family, like actually talk with your family

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Speaker 1: and build build culture inside of your family. And these

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Speaker 1: are things I think about. And I don't claim to

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Speaker 1: have it dialed in, but it's things I think about.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, man, how can I how can I not

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Speaker 1: just talk about some of the stuff that we admire

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Speaker 1: in the past, but like, we don't. We don't have

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Speaker 1: to be pushed around by by modernity. Ye, so Dad,

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Speaker 1: good to see you, Hey, good to be here. Man.

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Speaker 1: My dad lives two hours for me, So I don't

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Speaker 1: see Dad unless he's coming up here. I go down

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Speaker 1: there and I've been a little while. Yep. Yeah. We

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Speaker 1: kicked him out of the house and they never came back.

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Speaker 1: And they never came back. It's like my brother told

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Speaker 1: my nephews, boys, when you graduate school, you ain't got

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Speaker 1: to go to college. You ain't even got to go

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Speaker 1: to work. You just got to go. Hey. This podcast

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Speaker 1: comes out on a couple of days before the Black

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Speaker 1: Bear Bonanza in Bentonville. It's it's Bentonville, Arkansas, big all

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Speaker 1: day event. I'll be there, Brent will be there, Ben'll

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Speaker 1: be there, Josh'll be there, Gary believe in Knucom'll be there.

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Speaker 1: Missy'll be there. Missy had to leave. Um we it's

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a big deal. We're doing a live

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Speaker 1: Burgers rendered podcast there on site. Major big event. Lots

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Speaker 1: of vent enders and stuff going on, al hooting contest

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Speaker 1: and you can buy tickets at the door, and it'd

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Speaker 1: be good if you bought them before you get there,

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Speaker 1: but you don't have to. You can just show up.

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Speaker 1: And so that's all day Bentonville, Arkansas. You have to

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Speaker 1: go to the website to get all the details, but

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Speaker 1: just the website. They'll figure it out. Coil Bar, Arkansas. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they'll figure it out all right, guys, Thank you,