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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance. Today,

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Speaker 1: we're live here in Kansas. My guest is a very

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Speaker 1: special guy. I've been able to turkey ount with him

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Speaker 1: here in Kansas. Dirt Durham, some may consider you a

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Speaker 1: turkey hunting pro, expert, aficionado.

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Speaker 2: Don't forget fitness model and fitness model.

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Speaker 1: So no, we were here in Kansas. It's what's become

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Speaker 1: a yearly trip for us. Anybody listens to the podcast,

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Speaker 1: it's usually one of our two or three turkey o trips.

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Speaker 1: So here's talk about turkey hunting Kansas a lot. So

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Speaker 1: we're here. It's been awesome. Brandy and his buddies they

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Speaker 1: did it for the last fifteen twenty years. They did

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Speaker 1: a big turkey camp. All of his college buddies come

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Speaker 1: and it was a great time. We got to experience

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Speaker 1: that for a few days and now we're here on

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Speaker 1: our own trying to finish it up. I was fortunate

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Speaker 1: to kill a herd last night. And Dirk is hunting

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Speaker 1: for a monster, not just gonna kill any turkey. He's

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Speaker 1: looking for a big one, so.

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Speaker 2: Not just any turkey, basically Moby Dick of the turkeys.

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Speaker 1: Giant. Yeah, we actually Uh, just we had to run

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Speaker 1: my bird into a taxidermist here and we're on our

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Speaker 1: way back and we're what half a mile maybe quarter

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Speaker 2: House, almost a stone's throw, and uh.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't you know what we're we're out dinking around the

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Speaker 1: middle of day. It's pretty windy here today and just

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Speaker 1: a rope dragging across the main county road here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this big old tom comes walking across the road,

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Speaker 2: just casual as can be. And his head was the

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Speaker 2: size of my fist, and his neck was longer than

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Speaker 2: my forearm and about the same thickness. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 2: not a little guy, but I'm not no muscle bound

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Speaker 2: guy either.

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Speaker 1: I mean maybe some would say you are multiple.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm more of you know, I'm more you know, proportionate.

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Speaker 2: I am a fitness model.

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Speaker 1: So no, it's it's always been good here in Kansas,

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Speaker 1: and I think since we've been coming to Kansas is

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Speaker 1: probably the best year for turkey numbers that they've had

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Speaker 1: in a while. Yeah, it seems to have bounced back

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Speaker 2: Yeah, lots of turkeys here on the property. It's been good.

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Speaker 2: We saw seven jakes this morning in one spot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, different this year they've been going through a drought

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Speaker 1: here and so normally we don't have a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of vegetation. Boy, you step inside the shade line here

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Speaker 1: and you can't barely see a turkey's head over the brush.

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Speaker 1: It looks a lot different than years past. But turkey

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like the woods are just like about

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Speaker 2: a month ahead of schedule. Things are in bloom. All

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Speaker 2: the little bushes and brush are leafed out, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's tough to see a turkey coming through that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. April twentieth, me and Randy were down spraying one

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Speaker 1: And there was a nest and when they mowed it down,

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Speaker 1: the winter wheat was so high the cover crop. They

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Speaker 1: And they noticed there was a hen sitting on a nest.

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Speaker 1: Already in April twentieth she had eleven eggs. I believe,

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Speaker 1: like April eighteenth she had nine or ten. I think

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Speaker 1: so and she was sitting all day. She wasn't leaving

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Speaker 1: that nest. So I mean it's seems to be really early.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure people that know more or the

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Speaker 1: biology of turkey you say that's completely normal, but seems

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Speaker 1: pretty dang early. And they're you know, they're they're more

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Speaker 1: advanced this year. You know, it's more like hunting them

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Speaker 1: in early May to mid May, these guys felt like

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Speaker 2: Well, one thing I've noticed in pretty years past, a

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Speaker 2: saying late in May, even middle to late May, and

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Speaker 2: we'll see groups of hens together and Golber's following them around.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they won't leave those hens. And this time,

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Speaker 2: like I'm seeing a lot of single hens out, you know,

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Speaker 2: So they're probably coming off the nest and gonna go eat.

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Speaker 1: Yep. Yea real quiet hens. They're all by themselves. And

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Speaker 1: you know, this morning we were on a bird, we

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Speaker 1: were trying to be on a bird that was roosted

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Speaker 1: seems a little weird, you know, but uh it's been good.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna we're gonna roll into our typical cutting

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Speaker 1: the distance when I'm the host. We're gonna roll into

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Speaker 1: listener questions first. And I do have to apologize. I

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Speaker 1: had me and Chris Parish recorded an awesome episode if

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Speaker 1: you guys could all hear it. The sad reality is

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Speaker 1: we had some technical difficulties and Chris decided the audio

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Speaker 1: didn't upload. So what I mean, you go from Chris

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Speaker 1: Parrish in the Turkey Hunting World to Dirk Duram, You don't.

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Speaker 1: You don't drop too many you don't miss a beat.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna we're gonna roll some of the same

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Speaker 1: episode I recorded with Chris. We're gonna try to redo it.

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Speaker 1: I may share a little bit of his answers added

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Speaker 1: in with me and Dirk's answers. But I really wish

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Speaker 1: we could have got that dang episode out. But uh well,

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Speaker 1: we'll we'll circle back and meet up with him, you know,

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Speaker 1: somewhere else, but you know, another time, and we'll ask

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Speaker 1: him these questions. But once again, you have any questions

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Speaker 1: for me or my guests, email them to us at

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Speaker 1: ct D at Phelps Game Calls dot Com or feel

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Speaker 1: free to send us a message on social media and

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Speaker 1: we'll do our best to get him included here. So

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Speaker 1: I have to thank the Washington State Wilde Tricky Hunting

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Speaker 1: Club for this group of questions. The first one comes

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Speaker 1: from Tyson Gray. We would love to hear you, guys

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Speaker 1: compare your approach on Easterns versus Mariams versus Rios in

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Speaker 1: the West and how they differ from each other. See

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Speaker 1: if Dirk wants to take a crack at that, if

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Speaker 1: you hundred rios before or just just Mariams and Easterns.

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Speaker 2: So the Meriams in Idaho, there's Miriams and Rios, and

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Speaker 2: they seem to be crossed up a lot, if not,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if there's any pure, pure lines on

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Speaker 2: really sure how to compare that. Definitely, the difference between

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Speaker 2: you know, Western birds and Eastern birds are definitely a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, these Easterns here, you know, in Kansas, I've got

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Speaker 1: the the luxury back when Easterns were doing pretty decent

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Speaker 1: more of those mountain birds and Easterns just more hard headed.

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Speaker 1: They don't want to talk as much. It seems like

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Speaker 1: that time of the day right now, like they're done

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Speaker 1: talking for the most part. They're just done. They be quiet.

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Speaker 1: They're hard headed. You can't you Multiple times on this

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Speaker 1: out and hit them with an owl. Scream a hawk,

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Speaker 1: They don't like the rooseness in the same spots. These

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Speaker 1: We'll follow a group of birds and they may roost

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Speaker 1: know Parish had kind of alluded to, you know, pressure,

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Speaker 1: these Easterns have been hunted for longer most you know,

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Speaker 1: and maybe that's some of the reasons we we think

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Speaker 2: The head size. Head size on an Eastern is way

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Speaker 1: So our second question comes from case and can't uh

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Speaker 1: do you need multiple different types of calls or can

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I consider any kind of animals I'm calling. It's

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Speaker 2: kind of like going fishing, right, I want to have

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Speaker 2: different with turkey hunting, though, I will say I've got

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Speaker 2: only call he owns is an old it's an old box,

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Speaker 2: a friction box, right, And and he runs that thing

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Speaker 2: And I'm just like, oh man, you gotta put a

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Speaker 2: So with that said here, well, sometimes we throw the

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Speaker 2: and sometimes they're just so hard headed. You're not you're

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Speaker 2: not getting an answer for nothing, or one one call

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Speaker 2: seems like when they want to come, they want to

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Speaker 2: come to and it doesn't matter which one. But same

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Speaker 2: everything's changed and they're answering and they're coming.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, we're gonna get to our best dump here

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Speaker 1: in a little bit. So I'm not gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: every call that I carry, but as far as like

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Speaker 1: or two calls. You know, to answer Casen's question directly, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: one or two calls, you're going to probably kill ninety

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Speaker 2: they'd forgotten about what had just happened completely earlier. They

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Speaker 2: that kind of that kind of a time commitment. What

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Speaker 2: it does take is consistency. So maybe ten minutes a day,

430
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,040
Speaker 2: and after like after like two weeks of ten minutes

431
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,320
Speaker 2: a day, just throwing the call in every day, pretty

432
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:17,520
Speaker 2: soon your tongue and your your air pressure and your

433
00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,920
Speaker 2: brain and all that stuff, we'll start getting muscle memory

434
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,080
Speaker 2: and you'll start up, they'll start working together better. But

435
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,560
Speaker 2: if you just try a little bit here and there,

436
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 2: it's really hard to build that muscle memory. But just

437
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,199
Speaker 2: getting that thing in your mouth, and what can you do?

438
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,480
Speaker 2: Can you can you make a yelp? Can you make

439
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,919
Speaker 2: any kind of a noise? I like I look at kids.

440
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,199
Speaker 2: Kids will they'll take a diaphragm, they'll take any kind

441
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 2: of a noisy noise maker, and they'll start blowing on it,

442
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,560
Speaker 2: and they will check test the boundaries of everything. They'll

443
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:50,000
Speaker 2: make every single every single noise they possibly can. One minute,

444
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 2: they got a diaphram in their mouth. They're trying to

445
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,200
Speaker 2: talk like Donald Duck. The next minute they're trying to

446
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:55,920
Speaker 2: squeal like a pig. And the next minute they're making

447
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,760
Speaker 2: siren noises and just making weird noises, like get that

448
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 2: diaphragm in your mouth, start and some noises with it. Understand,

449
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,479
Speaker 2: you know the parameters help, what kind of tongue pressure

450
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,159
Speaker 2: it takes to make different sounds, just any kind of

451
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 2: a sound. And then start like trying to trying to

452
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,360
Speaker 2: do the exercises. We're trying to actually make it yell.

453
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 1: So I actually had the I had messaged Mike after

454
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 1: this comment and said, hey, I'm more than willing to

455
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 1: help you out. First thing I asked him to do

456
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 1: is put the call in your mouth, try to run

457
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 1: what you think you need to do for five minutes,

458
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 1: and take it out and send me a picture straight

459
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 1: top down. I wanted to see because one of the

460
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 1: things we struggle with right off the bat is getting

461
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:32,919
Speaker 1: these things sealed off. Me and you have seen it

462
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 1: hundreds and maybe thousands of times. People that can't run

463
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 1: a diaphragm. We can't get the air sealed off. Until

464
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:39,679
Speaker 1: you can get the air sealed off you're never going

465
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 1: to make a clean sound, You're never gonnaet the volume.

466
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 1: You never can get anything right. So when Mike had

467
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,439
Speaker 1: taken his call out of his mouth, sent me a

468
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,119
Speaker 1: picture he had. Usually we get a some folds at

469
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 1: like forty five degrees from the center of the call,

470
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 1: like if you come back on like a pizza shape,

471
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 1: the corners of the U shape of the tape or

472
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,680
Speaker 1: typically have folds, and we're like, oh, there's too much

473
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,919
Speaker 1: material there. It's folding that we can't get sealed. We

474
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 1: asked people to cut that material out, try it again.

475
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,920
Speaker 1: Mike had a very interesting fold on the right side

476
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 1: of his mouth, like directly horizontal of the call, like

477
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 1: a big major fold that the call was trying. Well,

478
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 1: if you can't get that to seal off. So the

479
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 1: first thing me and Mike started working with was cutting

480
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 1: his tape more narrow, trying to cut material out, trying

481
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,200
Speaker 1: to cut little slits around that area so it can

482
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: fold and become more malleable. So fitmentt and ceiling it

483
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,479
Speaker 1: and so one thing with fit Mint, and I'll talk

484
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Speaker 1: about other brands because I used to use these, you

485
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 1: know night Inhale Hunter Specialties. You know the zinc. Some

486
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 1: of these old you know Quaker Boy, the old school

487
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,679
Speaker 1: Turkey calls, or what I call him old schools, that's

488
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Speaker 1: what I used to use. They come on what's considered

489
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: an adult small frame, but for me as a as

490
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 1: a call maker, they're large frames. They're very, very big calls.

491
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: The actual structure of them underneath the tape, and a

492
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Speaker 1: lot of times they struggled to get him to fit

493
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Speaker 1: my mouth or they'll they'll, you know, be can it

494
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Speaker 1: a little bit left orright because they are so big

495
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 1: and I've got a big palette. So one thing that

496
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: we do, aside from the Parish Huckleberry kills on a manipulator,

497
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: all of our other Turkey calls are built on what

498
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Speaker 1: I would consider a medium frame that we've found to

499
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: fit people a whole lot better. They may be a

500
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: little bit different specs or stretches in those diaphragms than

501
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 1: the larger ones, and you may be able to, you know,

502
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: get better sounds or different sounds out of a large one.

503
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: But one thing I would urge people to do is

504
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: is all of our Turkey calls, aside from those original

505
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: Parish three in our lineup, are built on a smaller

506
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: frame could be the ticket just because of the actual

507
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 1: structure they call be going to fit up, you know,

508
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: up in your palate a little bit better. And then,

509
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: like Dirk said, a lot of practice, you know, work

510
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: on you know, the high note. I would start with

511
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: a ghost cut. Try to get that kiky note down

512
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: that get that if you can just hold them like

513
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 1: the very high pitched mosquito noise, that's the that's the

514
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 1: note you need to start with. Even for turkeys, you

515
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: may not hold it near as long as you do

516
00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: on an olk, but then you'll drop your bottom job

517
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 1: more so than than elk calling, where we tend to

518
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 1: just move our tongue and pressure with our tongue. Turkey calling,

519
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 1: you'll actually like drop your bottom jaw and that's what's

520
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: going to give you your no articulation. You're high to

521
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: low and so you know, find a good starting point.

522
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: Work on that. And that's the best advice. You know.

523
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 1: There's lots of good YouTube videos out there, but.

524
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 2: In fact, we not to interrupt, but in fact we've

525
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 2: got two different YouTube videos of Chris Parrish kind of

526
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 2: walking me through like from the very basics. Video number

527
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 2: one is the very basics of diaphragms, and video number

528
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,959
Speaker 2: two is advanced, so you know how to purr and

529
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 2: cut and all that stuff.

530
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Speaker 1: So, hey, I don't even know about our own YouTube channel,

531
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: Dirk says, Head over to the Phelps Game Calls YouTube

532
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: channel and check out the Chris Paris series on running

533
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: a diaphragm. Phelps, Hey, yeah, I got I wear a

534
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: lot of hats. I'm not a YouTube video manager. Do

535
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: you have them set up for people in the specific playlist?

536
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: So like Turkey educational.

537
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 2: I think they're I think they're in how to's and

538
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 2: also I think track me if I'm wrong. I think

539
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,959
Speaker 2: if you and the barcode or not the barcode the

540
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 2: QR code on the back of the any of the

541
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 2: Phelps diaphragm calls, it will take you to a place

542
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 2: where you can watch on how to use the diaphragms,

543
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 2: whether if Turkey calls Chris Parish or if they're l calls.

544
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 2: You can see me my smiling face. They tell you

545
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 2: how to run it out.

546
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: So hey, if you don't want to waste your time

547
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: searching for YouTube, just go ahead and buy a package

548
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 1: of our calls and scan that QR code. It'll be

549
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: way easier. So wow, a heck of a salesman. We'll

550
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: get your right to it.

551
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: Hey, I've I think I have a tick on my back.

552
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: Do you like I just got bit by a tick?

553
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: I would let people know, I would tell you I'll

554
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: check for it here after the podcast, but they're yeah,

555
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: we're you can use the mirror some good lighting. Well,

556
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: once again, thank you all for your questions. Here gives

557
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 1: us a nice little segment here for cutting the distance.

558
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 1: If you have questions from me or my guests, uh

559
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 1: ctd app phelps, game Calls dot Com, or send us

560
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: a message on social and we'll do our best to

561
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: get them included. So now me and Dirk are going

562
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Speaker 1: to jump into the converse. Let's start with a little

563
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 1: hunt recap here today. We've got a couple of days left.

564
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: You've got a turkey tag in your pocket. You know, Kansas.

565
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: It was started pretty slow. I think they talked about

566
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: just seven to eight days ago, prior to the opener.

567
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: Their trail cams are just loaded flocks and flocks, you know,

568
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: big flocks, hens, you know seven, eight, ten hens, multiple gobblers.

569
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: They show up here on the seventeenth of the opener,

570
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: and everything had changed in that short week, they went

571
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: from you know, the big groups of hens to you know,

572
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: toms running together and hens being all singled up. But

573
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody we've seen I've seen three

574
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: hens in one field at one time, but they were

575
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: all kind of independent. They just happened to be there.

576
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: They all came out separate. They weren't all feeding together,

577
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: running together. Last night, hens separate. This morning we had

578
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: a single hen. You know, we had multiple single hens

579
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: this morning. Just seems to be at a weird stage.

580
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: And maybe these hens are all laying you know, all

581
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: day already, which seems crazy because usually we come in

582
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: early May, you know, May fifth to tenth and they're

583
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: still flocked up, which now they're already seemed to be

584
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: kind of out of that phase a little bit.

585
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Randy, Randy thinks all those single hens that were

586
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 2: saying her, they're they're laying, you know, laying on eggs there,

587
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: sitting on their nest, coming out and getting a little

588
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 2: quick bite to eat. And then because they'll come out

589
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: in those those meadows or those fields and eat, scratch

590
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:24,719
Speaker 2: around and eat a little bit, and then bound there

591
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,239
Speaker 2: they disappear and go and they they're not if they

592
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 2: see another hen, they'd avoid them. They're not like chumming

593
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: around with them.

594
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, and uh, we've had some a lot of jakes.

595
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: I mean, credit to Randy and his management of his property,

596
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,479
Speaker 1: he is loaded up with jakes, which any of you

597
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: that have hunted Tom's long our turkeys long enough and

598
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: you're trying to kill a long beard and let the

599
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 1: jakes go can realize. And some of you may not know,

600
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: maybe you haven't experienced this yet, but I think the

601
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: ratio is two to one. The Tom wins two jakes

602
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: to one Tom. The Tom will still kind of do

603
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: his thing, but you start to get to that three

604
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,479
Speaker 1: to one, four to one show, and that Tom becomes

605
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: very nervous around that many jakes, right, any of you

606
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: that's seen it, you'll, I may be telling some of

607
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: you something you already know, but these jakes will bully

608
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: that Tom right and still his hand or run them

609
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: off for And so we're we're dealing with lots of jakes,

610
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 1: which makes sometimes trying to call these Toms in, you know,

611
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: these single toms a little bit more difficult. You know,

612
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: they're they're wary. So we we actually have stopped putting

613
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: our jake decoy out in the field right because they

614
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: don't know if that's the only jake, if there's more

615
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: jakes on the edge. And uh, it's just it's been

616
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: tough the the long beards. For the most part. We've

617
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: seen a few singles, but for the most part, these

618
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,959
Speaker 1: long beards are all running together a little bit. And

619
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: it's been an interesting year. Lots of turkeys around, which

620
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: which helps, but but calling birds. We've called a few in,

621
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: we've patterned a few birds, and we've just got lucky

622
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: on a few birds.

623
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Speaker 2: I'd say it's like the turkeys are living a gang

624
00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: mentality right now. You got the long beards versus the

625
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: the jakes, and like last night your your turkey, you

626
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: got there was three long beards together. You know. It's

627
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: it's it's funny they're running running these little groups and

628
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: you would think, you know, having a Hindi koy or

629
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: some some running some calls would just be a slam

630
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: dunk anytime. But it just hasn't been a slam dunk

631
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 2: every single time. One time I'll see some jakes, we'll

632
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: have a decoy out. Well, we'll see a group of

633
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: jakes walk by you do some calling, they'll look over

634
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: at that, at that decoy and just keep going like

635
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: they have zero interest. And then the next one, like

636
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: the next day, you're out there and the jakes are

637
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: molesting your decoy. We've been getting kind of mixed signals

638
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 2: from you know, Jake's and and long beards. So it's

639
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: been kind of a weird, weird, weird week.

640
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: Thankfully, once saving Grace. There's just a lot of turkeys

641
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: around for the most part, you know, even though they're

642
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: being quiet or sometimes real real uh, you know, quiet

643
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: quiet and uh living in the woods, they will fly

644
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: off the roost and you know where I come from.

645
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: Birds we'll like to go to ag go out in

646
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: the open. These birds are completely content living in the

647
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: timber all day long, not getting out of there, so

648
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: you sometimes don't see them. We've, like I say, we've

649
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: called the multiple birds. They just don't answer. So yeah,

650
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: it's interesting. We're having a lot of fun, like always here,

651
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: but you know, kind of beating our head against the

652
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: wall at times, and not everything's going our way. But

653
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: we've had pretty damn good success. I am curious, what's

654
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: your tick count? Have you been keeping track of these

655
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: Kansas ticks.

656
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: I think through yesterday I've picked five of them off me,

657
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: like they were embedded, and we're like latched on. And

658
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: yesterday afternoon, I think we like thumped and swept and squished,

659
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: I don't know, probably twenty each. Yeah, I was crawling

660
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: on us.

661
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was really starting to question if a turkey

662
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: was worth the amount of anxiety and just I just

663
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: don't like ticks. They kind of freaked me out. They

664
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: just they're all over, like you could not if you

665
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: waited twenty seconds and look back down, you'd have two

666
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: or three seed ticks crawling up your boot and a

667
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: couple the big one. I don't If you know the answer,

668
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: please email me at CTD at Phelps Game Calls, or

669
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: figure out how to email Phelps game Calls. I'm not

670
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: gonna put my email out there, but I want somebody

671
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: to know. The big ones. We have permethrone on everything,

672
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: and we re upped our game last night. We did

673
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: a second application because I was tired of ticks. The

674
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: big ones, the full size adults. They will crawl up

675
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: get they don't get halfway up my gator and they'll

676
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: tip off, dizzy, drunk, poison whatever you want to call it.

677
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: They're they're done. These seed ticks will start up my

678
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: boot and they're faster and they will make it through

679
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: my gator no problem. That permethron doesn't seem to bother them.

680
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: And then they're cruising up my leg and then you

681
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: have to flick them or you know, get them with

682
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 1: your fingernail. I want to know if there's something to

683
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: that and seed ticks are permethron doesn't work on them,

684
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: or something weird's going on. But uh, yeah, I've had

685
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: I had one one lone star, one big one in

686
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: my shin, and then last night I had a little

687
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: seed tick that wasn't really in. But as we're recording

688
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: this podcast, the big loan star tick bite has a

689
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: big bump and itches. That's an extra. That's a new

690
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: development in the tick bite. Gotta hate these things. If

691
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: I could figure out a way to just I've looked.

692
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: I spent two hours last night before my turkey came

693
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: in trying to research tea tree oils, if I eat

694
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: lots of garlic, if I was I'm ready to try anything.

695
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: I just want to enjoy the turkey hunt and not

696
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: deal with these dang ticks. But all right, I diverged.

697
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: We'll jump back in the podcast. But these ticks are

698
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: giving us some fits, and Dirk, I'm gonna give you

699
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: a tip. I don't know if you know this or not,

700
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: but gators, when you have them, they are a great addition.

701
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: You should probably wear them out in the field.

702
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: Well I do have gators, and I forgot to wear

703
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: them last night.

704
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: Oh oh, so have them.

705
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so last night I was sitting there a paranoid

706
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: picking ticks off my socks, picking ticks off my legs,

707
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: picking ticks off my pants, off my boots, and see

708
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: the seed ticks mostly and if you don't know what

709
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: a seed tick is that they're like a miniature version

710
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: of a normal tick. They're like tiny, and if you

711
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: got bad ice sight like me, they're hard to see.

712
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: And sometimes if you have one embedded on you, it's

713
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 2: like is that a tiny little mole or a blemish

714
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: or is that? And you have to kind of like

715
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: kind of scratch at it and like see if it'll move.

716
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, that that's like a latch. It's something

717
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: latched on and then you have to get it off.

718
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: And then then I'm like, but is it a tech?

719
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: So then I'll put it on a white piece of paper.

720
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: And if you're like me and stubborn, don't have your

721
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: your readers with you all the time. Then I just

722
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 2: grabbed my cell phone and came run it and zoom in.

723
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's icya legs, that's a tick. So yeah,

724
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 2: you should definitely have have gators. Oh yeah, or you're

725
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: gonna regret it.

726
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,719
Speaker 1: Yep. All right, we're gonna jump into our We got

727
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: about twenty minutes here to finish up. We're gonna jump

728
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: just into a normal discussion. Let's do a turkey vest,

729
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: don't We've always we tell everybody what we have on

730
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: our elk pack and what we take on multi day

731
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: trips and single day trips. Let me know what's in

732
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: your vest.

733
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 2: First off, I don't have a turkey vest. Oh there's

734
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 2: never been a real vest guy.

735
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: If you look good on you, yeah.

736
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: I probably would. I probably I'd make it look good. No,

737
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 2: But I what I have is I have a FHF

738
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: at chest rig so which if you're not familiar, it

739
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: kind of looks like a biny harness, but instead of

740
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 2: being more vertical up and down looking, it's more more horizontal.

741
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: So you can you know I can store a pot.

742
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: I'll just tell you what's in. I have a turkey pot,

743
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 2: a striker. Sometimes I'll have a couple of pots, or

744
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 2: a couple different strikers, different strikers because different strikers made

745
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: out of different materials will make a different sound with

746
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: the same pot. I also have a couple of locator calls.

747
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 2: I have an owl hooter, and I have a three

748
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 2: triple threat triple screamer. What do we call those same

749
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: the triple locator. So the triple locator makes a owl stream,

750
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 2: a hawk stream, and affiliated pecker, and I got that

751
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 2: in there. I have a small pair of loophold binoculars.

752
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: I also have some diaphragms. I have some stuff to

753
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: scrub my slate with, you know, some ss pad and

754
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: last but not least, I carry some little pruning clippers.

755
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 2: TSA stopped me at tear part. They're like, oh, you

756
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 2: can't have these. I'm like, what why not? They're like

757
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 2: you might cut someone's finger off with them. But then

758
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: they measured them. They were under seven inches, so they

759
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 2: allowed it as a carry on. And you know, whenever,

760
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,479
Speaker 2: and I will say I think I had less ticks

761
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: on me than Jason had on him last night. And

762
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 2: the reason is why is I went through and I

763
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: clipped all the little bushes and all the little brush

764
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 2: and stuff around where I was gonna sit on my

765
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: little seat there, and Jason did not do that.

766
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: I I wanted to cover it was I needed to

767
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: make sure the turkeys didn't see me.

768
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well and then but the turkeys didn't see you,

769
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: but the ticks did. And uh, anyhow I got those.

770
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 2: So that's kind of what I ran in my little

771
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: vest there.

772
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,479
Speaker 1: You know what, I won't get in trouble for saying

773
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: what I got through TSA. And it was on a

774
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: complete accident. I don't think this thing.

775
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: Can't stop you at TSA.

776
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: Don't put me on the list. But so this is

777
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: the first year we didn't bring shotguns. We had a

778
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: great idea we were going to use our our bows

779
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:10,959
Speaker 1: and we're gonna try to kill turkey with a bow.

780
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: We made it about two days until we realized that

781
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: was real, real tough, and turkeys are meant to be

782
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,959
Speaker 1: shot with shotguns. But I didn't have to check a gun,

783
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: so I didn't bring any AMMO. But I didn't usually

784
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: I bring a check bag, but I just I took

785
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: my FHF apex belt turkey system and just threw it

786
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: in my carry on, not thinking anything about it. Well,

787
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 1: guess what FHF also makes. They make a show holder

788
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: that bel crows to the inside of your harness. And

789
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: there sat to twelve gage shotgun shells number nine TSS

790
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: Federal And I got here and I was thinking, as

791
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: we're starting to switch to guns, and I oh even

792
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: got my own ammunition to shooting, and it just instantly clicked,

793
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 1: like how the heck did you get the ammunition here?

794
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 1: And through security man and c Tack pulled all three

795
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: of my bags like you watch that little flipper and

796
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, number one go, number two goes. Because

797
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: these podcast mics were talking on right now. Always he

798
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: thought they were suppressors. Evidently you should keep your thumb

799
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: release since it can be considered brass knuckles in a

800
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: separate So I got almost got my thumb release taken,

801
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: almost got my podcast MIC's taken because they thought those

802
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: looked like silent supercans. And then thankfully the one guy

803
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: didn't even open the bag with the shotgun shells in them.

804
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: Gosh dang, Thankfully I don't have those shotgun. I'm gonna

805
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: leave them here in Kansas. I'm gonna donate them to

806
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: the Turkey camp. But yeah, that was a not what's

807
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: in my vest. But I had to just let everybody

808
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: know that I snuck some shotgun shells shots, I say,

809
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: without any intention of doing so.

810
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: It can happen.

811
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: I don't even know what they would have did to me,

812
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: Like it's not a weapon, but I probably would have

813
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: gotten in trouble.

814
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 2: They would have took you to the back room and

815
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 2: you'd have got the special pat down.

816
00:37:46,840 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: Oh you know, I'm glad I didn't. So back to

817
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: what's in my best I do run a vest. My

818
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: left pocket has a nice little striker and pot. I

819
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: usually keep two pots there with three strikers. Got a

820
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: waterproof striker. I've got just our standard diamond wood peg

821
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: with the maple top, and then I've got a one

822
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: piece reverse taper striker that Steve Morgenstern worked with us on.

823
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: I think we're all sold out. We sold out of

824
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: them really really quick. So got those three strikers, and

825
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: it's just weird, you know. With the certain times, whatever

826
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: turkey call I think sounds the best, the turkeys want

827
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: to answer you switch striker, switch calls, make it higher, pitch, lower,

828
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: pitch more, rasp cleaner, and all of a sudden they hammer.

829
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: So I like to have between those two calls and

830
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 1: three strikers. Gives me the ability to sound like six

831
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: different birds. On my right hip belt, I carry my

832
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 1: box call. I'm testing a new box call for twenty

833
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: five right now. Sounds sounds really really good. H moving

834
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: to The APEX system has a drop down seat that

835
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: folds so when you're walking around and it's not dragging around,

836
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: slap it buckles up. I've got a little bit of

837
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: a hydration pack on my back between and I keep

838
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: a water or my extra coat there. And then on

839
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: the front on the chest rig I've got and I'm

840
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: probably gonna get the name of the pocket wrong. I

841
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: believe it's an E two or an E one pocket

842
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: on the front of the chest rig, so it gives

843
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: me a lot of expansion. In the main pocket, I

844
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: typically keep my alcohol, my binoculars, and my AMMO and

845
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: the front one I'll keep my locator's call locator calls.

846
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: I've also got the triple locator lamin it, and I've

847
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: got a crow call, and I also keep all of

848
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 1: my diaphragms in that front pocket. I don't carry a loppers,

849
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 1: even though all these guys do, and sometimes I wish

850
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: I had some. I usually I'm the guy that bends

851
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: the stick in half and then does like seventeen twirls

852
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: and try to like get the branch to break off,

853
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: and that's how I usually create my shooting lanes. But

854
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: sometimes I really wish I had some looppers. Brandy has

855
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: a really nice pair of They're like ratcheting right, so

856
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: even if you have to cut a big, big, you know,

857
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: branch out of the way, with the small pair of pliers,

858
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: you can just get a little leverage. It locks and

859
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: it slowly just works your way through them. We need

860
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: to get that not in my best but something we

861
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: carry here in Kansas we don't carry in Washington do

862
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: to the terrain is these low, very low sitting seats man.

863
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: Folding folding chairs.

864
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, just little folding chairs that are four inches off

865
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: the ground. Makes these long morning sits a lot more comfortable,

866
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: a lot easier to sleep in than when you're sitting

867
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: against the tree on the ground. And they're almost a

868
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: little too high even though they are four inches to

869
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: get your knee, but usually we can put a hand

870
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 1: under your gun or on your knee and get like

871
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: the right elevation to shoot out really makes your sits

872
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: sits longer. And then not in our vest, but around

873
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: our shoulders is typically always that upright hand decoy we're

874
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: packing into all of our sets, and then we'll decide

875
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: when we get there if it's the right setup, you know,

876
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: or if it's things are happening too quick or the

877
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: brush is too tall, what we're going to do there.

878
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: So that's really you know, I carried an eight y

879
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,959
Speaker 1: thirty two pair of loop loophold b X fours. Yeah,

880
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: just pretty simple system. And then I probably got twenty

881
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: or thirty different diaphragms that I carry around just because

882
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: I I've got them. And you know, if I'm trying

883
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: to you know, emulate a tree yelp or something real light,

884
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: I might switch compared to a call that I want

885
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: to cut down into, you know, try to locate a

886
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: bird with. So I just I've got a handful of

887
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: of diaphragms, and that pretty much rounds out everything that

888
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: I carry. Pretty pretty simple. You know, sometimes a Washington

889
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: bigger canyon country, I'll i'll grab a tube call just

890
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: so I can you know, cut really loud and locate birds.

891
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: Yeah those, I'll I have one of those folding chairs too,

892
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 2: and their life saver here so you get you off

893
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: the ground. I think with that you have a little

894
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: maybe less texts on you or maybe it takes some

895
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 2: longer to get on you. But also just the comfort level,

896
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: because I feel like here in Kansas we do a

897
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 2: lot more sitting and being patient, and being comfortable while

898
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: you're sitting and being patient is paramount because if you're

899
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: not comfortable, you're moving around and pretty soon Tom comes

900
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: in and the spot you moving around or whatever. So

901
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 2: those things are you gotta have them. They're they're really nice.

902
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 2: But but what in Idaho or let's say you're in Washington,

903
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: you're putting on a lot more miles in a day

904
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: chasing turkeys. They're kind of a pain in the butt

905
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 2: to carry.

906
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're they're not fun. And uh, I feel like,

907
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: I mean, we could get in some long callings. We

908
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: have to sit for a long time. I'll just make

909
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: it do. But you know, the butt pad, the one

910
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: inch foam or one and a half inch foam, three

911
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: inches of film, whatever your best has like that typically

912
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: will be good enough to get you through a sit. Yeah.

913
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 2: And by the way, I want to thank you for

914
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 2: getting me one of those cool Apex spelt systems. You're from, FAHF.

915
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: And that was sarcasm because I don't have one. Oh,

916
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: thanks a lot, Jason.

917
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: Well, you just I didn't know you wanted one. Well yeah,

918
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: I mean if I would have known, I could have tried. Okay,

919
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: all right, well no, now you know. Yeah, I know

920
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: why I was the guinea pig last year. I think

921
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: me and Ranello were the first.

922
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: Two to unund Yeah, you've got a prototype.

923
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

924
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: I probably should have just reached out and said, hey,

925
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: can I get one of those? Yeah too, so it'd

926
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: be cool, like Jason, Yeah, yeah, the Ultimate Turkey Hunter.

927
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: You feel like the Batman and the Turkey Woods when

928
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 2: you wear that like a superhero. It looks like a

929
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 2: utility belt.

930
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah it is. It's I could I have so

931
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: much more stuff I can add to that, just like

932
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,919
Speaker 1: the build on it. Put a couple more box calls

933
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: on the back. I got all kinds of room. Wow,

934
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: it's amazing. But I don't like vests, you know, there's

935
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: I struggle with it. Because growing up, like turkey vests

936
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: were the cool thing, right, It's like it's like if

937
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,919
Speaker 1: your basketball, you know, back when air Jordans were cool.

938
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, to be a turkey hunter, Like that's

939
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 1: the that's the thing. Yeah, I want a best because

940
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: you gotta look the part. You gotta it's the.

941
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: Just the quintessential.

942
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, the quintessential turkey hunter has a vest. He can

943
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: keep you know, his decoys, his old foam decoys were

944
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: in the back pocket, and you know this and that

945
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: and the drop down seat that hits you in the

946
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: back of the knees, like that's what you wanted. And man,

947
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: it would be tough to go back to a vest

948
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: after having a more light weight belt system with just

949
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: some shoulder straps, the chest trig like I'm not I

950
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: don't feel like I'm stuck inside of a vest and

951
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: doesn't add any warmth necessarily. It's a real nice system.

952
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 2: That's why I don't wear a vest is because I

953
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: just get so overheated a lot of times, like this

954
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 2: week's been good, hasn't been very hot, quite a bit

955
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: of win it's been fairly cooler temperatures, but man, when

956
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 2: it when when we've been here in May, and it's

957
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: it's humid and pretty warm out. Oh if you heard

958
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: the clothes the Better Man, you just you get pretty sweaty,

959
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 2: and a vest would just add to that. But I

960
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: know a lot of people love them, so.

961
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, you know, the Apex system, I'm I'm not.

962
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't even coming into this podcast trying to endorse it,

963
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: but it isn't is a nice system right main the USA,

964
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 1: by my good buddy Paul lewis great designer.

965
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 2: He makes every single one of them, doesn't he No, No,

966
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 2: he doesn't.

967
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: Just he gets them scratched out and then we I

968
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: think he passes those on. He'd probably like it if

969
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: I told everybody that he built all of them. Yeah,

970
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: so we're just gonna run through a few scenarios to

971
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: round out this. Uh, you know, the podcast is a

972
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 1: lot of people. When I was when I was learning

973
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: how to turkey hunt and reading all kinds of articles

974
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: and watching this video. Nowadays there's there's so much YouTube.

975
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: But I feel like a lot of new turkey hunters

976
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: or people that are just getting into it or maybe

977
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: haven't had a lot of success. They hear a sound

978
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: in the woods and they don't know what to do, Like,

979
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: what am I gonna do?

980
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 2: Now?

981
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: I just heard this, So I'm gonna run through some

982
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: scenarios and just kind of get your take or what

983
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: you would do. I may tell you why I agree

984
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: with you or disagree with you, and then we'll go

985
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: from there. So we're gonna call this the lost hen scenario.

986
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: We're walking through some Randy's woods back here. Let's say's

987
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: two hunderd acres of woods, but we got a little

988
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: trail built through it. You hear a distant yelp of

989
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: a lost hen echoing through the trees. What are you

990
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: gonna do?

991
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 2: I'm probably gonna start looking for cover immediately, like, Okay,

992
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: where is this? Where's this head at? And where am

993
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 2: I at in relation to it? Do I need to

994
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 2: like hide right now? Is it? Is it far enough

995
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 2: away where I'm not gonna get spotted? But anytime, anytime

996
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 2: I hear any kind of Turkey vocalization, that's the first

997
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 2: thing on my mind. Am I exposed? Can I Can

998
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 2: I get down? Can I get a shooting lane? And

999
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 2: and be ready? Yep, that's gonna be my first thing

1000
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 2: because you're gonna shoot a hen? No, but there may

1001
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 2: be a gobbler with her.

1002
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: So I was gonna get to that. So you're assuming,

1003
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: even though you just heard of lost hin, it's it's

1004
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 1: in April, you're gonna assume there's a gobbler there.

1005
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna assume it. Yeah, I feel like it'd be

1006
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: just like September and elk. Like if I hear cal

1007
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,399
Speaker 2: Cals calling in late September, I'm like, oh, there could

1008
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 2: be a bowl.

1009
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: No, I wasn't saying you're wrong. I was gonna agree

1010
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: with that. I was just bringing that up instantly. I'm

1011
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,479
Speaker 1: gonna assume almost any turkey noise I hear there's gonna

1012
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: be something I want to shoot with it a long beard.

1013
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: Whether that's a case or not, we'll find out later.

1014
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, number one, assume there's.

1015
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 2: A The next thing to add to what I was

1016
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: gonna say, and I also like, then I'm gonna vocalize back.

1017
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call back to it, you know, depending on

1018
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: how far away it is, if it's not very if

1019
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: it's pretty close, I'm gonna be pretty quiet and make

1020
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: some really quiet yelps and very concerned, Like maybe you

1021
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: do three or four yelps and then just let it

1022
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: set like less is more in times like that in

1023
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: my opinion, yep.

1024
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 1: And so one thing I might do a little different

1025
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: than vocalized back. If I hear a hen yelping, I

1026
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: might just sit there for two or three minutes, you know,

1027
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: depending on how far If I've got to sit down,

1028
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: I'll sit down, but I might just listen, like, what's

1029
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: going on? Is there? You know? Is is she going

1030
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: to continue to talk? Was it just a did she

1031
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: just kind of you know, make a sporadic sound and

1032
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: then she's back to feeding and content? Like why did she?

1033
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: You know? Maybe listen for distant gobbles, depending on how

1034
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: far out she is, and then, like you, I may

1035
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: yelp back. And one thing I like to do, similar

1036
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: to elk calling, is we try to match her intensity.

1037
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: You know, if a hen's out there just being loud

1038
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: mouthed and yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I may

1039
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: kind of going with that intensity. But if she's just

1040
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: milling around, the last thing I want to do is

1041
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: is try to to you know, tick off that hand

1042
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: and get her to go the other way. So you know,

1043
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: I'll match intensity and typically very soft call just loud.

1044
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: I always just want to assume that I'm calling just

1045
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: loud enough she can just barely hear me, or just

1046
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: aggressively enough that she can just barely hear me. See

1047
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: if we get a response, you know, if that doesn't

1048
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: work out, we don't get a response a lot of times,

1049
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: move in that direction a little bit, try again, get

1050
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: a little closer, and then we all know. Or or

1051
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: if you've been turkey it long enough, you know that

1052
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: if it is the dense forest kind of like we

1053
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: set up, you're probably not gonna go and sneaking in

1054
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: on this bird. So the last thing I want to

1055
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 1: do is like push too hard, you know, maybe different.

1056
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: This is where elkin and turkey deffer a little bit.

1057
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: I'll be a little more patient turkey hunting and be

1058
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: a little less aggressive and not walk in. I'll maybe

1059
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: skirt or just make a mental note on where that

1060
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,919
Speaker 1: hen was at what time of day. If I don't

1061
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: hear a gobbler, you know, kind of continue on and.

1062
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 2: I might not even call. I might I might not

1063
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 2: do a turkey call. I may sit down, get concealed.

1064
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: I may blow a locator call like a hawk screamer

1065
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 2: or a crow call. Now we're we're now, we're checking

1066
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 2: to see if there's a gobbler there, right, so it's

1067
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: going to be a sound that's non threatening to the hen.

1068
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 2: And if there's a tom there, he may he may

1069
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 2: sound off lately here in the middle of the day

1070
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 2: and stuff, it seems like. And we can't buy a

1071
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: gobble no matter what. We're slamming the car door, you

1072
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 2: name it. I mean, you can't get on to gobble.

1073
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 2: But that's a good way to to actually see if

1074
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 2: there could possibly be a tom with her.

1075
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, great answers. You know, there's there's no right or

1076
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: wrong answer here. We're just kind of telling you what

1077
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 1: we would do. Next scenario is the tom in the field.

1078
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: You're hunting in an open field, or you pop up

1079
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: to an open field. We can envision like Randy's top today.

1080
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: You know, it's a long, narrow, flat top that kind

1081
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: of maybe drops into two oak bottoms on both sides.

1082
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: You pop up at one end and you see a

1083
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: tom strutting out there twohundred fifty yards away. What's your move?

1084
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 2: I'm a belly crawl out there and grab him. No, No,

1085
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 2: I'm probably gonna watch him for a little bit and

1086
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 2: see what's on his mind. Where's he going? Is he

1087
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 2: coming my way? Is he going the other way? Of

1088
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: course I don't want to get seen, but I'm gonna

1089
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 2: kind of I'm gonna kind of observe and see what

1090
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 2: he's doing before I do any calling to him.

1091
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: I like it, so I know, when me and Chris

1092
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: went through this, we talked a little bit of knowing

1093
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: that you have the ability to cut that distance from

1094
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: two point fifty to potentially one hundred yards. Would you rather,

1095
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: let's say you knew without getting picked off, you could

1096
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: crawl out there and put your decoy out and he

1097
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: would eventually see it. Would you try to call that

1098
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: bird from two and fifty yards away with your decoy

1099
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: or would you drop off the edge into the oaks

1100
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: and try to pop up at one hundred yards? Which

1101
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 1: one would you take? If you can only take one?

1102
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 1: I know Chris said he would always try to cut

1103
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 1: that distance down as much as possible. He'd much prefer

1104
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: one hundred yards and no decoy, but being really close

1105
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: to that bird then two hundred fifty yards and a decoy,

1106
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: And so that was one. I know. I wanted to

1107
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: add that in that, you know, if you can move

1108
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: same thing we talked about on elk all the time.

1109
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: Like you, your chances of calling something exponentially go up.

1110
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: If you can cut that distance, if they have to

1111
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: move their feet as a little as possible to get

1112
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: to you, your your chance is going to go, you know,

1113
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 1: way up.

1114
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: In my opinion, Yeah, absolutely, I agree with that one

1115
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: hundred percent. Anytime you can get within you know, their

1116
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: zone or whatever you want to call it. You know,

1117
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 2: like you say, two hundred fifty yards, you just may

1118
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 2: be background noise at that point. It's like, I'm content

1119
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 2: over here strutting around and doing my thing. If if

1120
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 2: if I'm goblin whatever, I want you to come over

1121
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 2: to me. But if you get over there and you're

1122
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 2: half that distance or even closer, and you you know,

1123
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 2: pop out a little a little closer than that and

1124
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 2: can do a little bit of calling, you're definitely going

1125
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 2: to be get more of his attention.

1126
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, that's that's like I say, that's that's

1127
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: what we would do, not saying it's the right or wrong,

1128
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 1: but that's how we're probably gonna run. And we're gonna

1129
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: probably run that system over and over and over until

1130
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: it works out. So now we're gonna picture ourselves in

1131
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 1: a wooded area and you hear an echoing, thunderous gobble

1132
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: off in the distance.

1133
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 2: Oh man, it's tough because sometime we've we ran into that.

1134
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 2: This morning a little bit, it's like, Okay, which way

1135
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: is it? Is it that way? I mean, trying to

1136
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: locate those gobbles in the woods is tough. So if

1137
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 2: it's off in the distance a while, I'm gonna I'm

1138
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: gonna get super quiet and listen. You know, I may

1139
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 2: just listen for a few minutes on my own without

1140
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: making any kind of noise. If it was only one gobble,

1141
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 2: then I'm After listening for a while, I'm gonna I'm

1142
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 2: gonna do some calling, whether it's a locator call or

1143
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 2: a hen call, I'm gonna do some calling to see

1144
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 2: if I can hear it again. Like I really want

1145
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 2: to pinpoint this thing and determine how far away it

1146
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 2: is in the position of it. Am I going to

1147
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 2: have to get real crafty and like make a big

1148
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 2: circle because there's a field in between him and I

1149
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 2: and I'll get exposed or or is it good? Is

1150
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 2: can I can I quietly and quickly approach him without

1151
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 2: getting getting seenep that Those are the first things through

1152
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 2: my head.

1153
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the first thing we always do when we

1154
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: hear gobble, which you touched on, we all got to

1155
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: try to figure out in our heads where we think

1156
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: he is. Right. That's every time we hear a gobble

1157
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: like Olhwa's up on he's up in the corner of

1158
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: that you know lot, or he's down in that bottom

1159
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: where these two cricks intersect. You know, we're always trying

1160
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: to figure out where he is exactly, and sometimes that

1161
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: may take the second gobble. You know, we've all all

1162
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: listened to Tricky's gobble. We know they haven't moved, but

1163
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: just by them turning one eighty gobbling at, gobbling away,

1164
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: or like up birds in two different spots by half

1165
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: a mile, you know, sometimes we really need to pinpoint him.

1166
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: And then yeah, the same is just listen for a

1167
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: little bit. Are there hens with him? Are there other?

1168
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: A lot of times are there other birds? You know?

1169
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 1: And then once we can figure that out, typically unless

1170
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: they're coming in our direction by their their gobbles, we'll

1171
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: we'll we'll try to cut that distances, you know, as

1172
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: the terrain and vegetation allows, and try to get as

1173
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: close as we can do them. And then typically you know,

1174
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: if you had to pick a call to use, We're

1175
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: probably gonna sit down and you know, start with just

1176
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 1: your your typical yelping, your you know, see if we

1177
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: get a response, is he ended that or not? Maybe

1178
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: wait five to ten minutes, does the answer and then

1179
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: you know, figure out if we if we you know,

1180
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,720
Speaker 1: a few clucks and you know, some more aggressive yelps,

1181
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: you know, maybe even throw some cutting in later on

1182
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 1: down the road, like just see if he's if he's

1183
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: into that. If not, we may need to just sit tight.

1184
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: You know, you've now made some some some you know,

1185
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: hint calls, and a lot of times I think we

1186
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: relate it more to elk where we'll get up and

1187
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: try to push the push the conversation and push the game.

1188
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: A lot of times these turkeys are they're just they're

1189
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: coming in slow. They're they're working at their own pace.

1190
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 1: So just be patient. As I think I'm a hundred

1191
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 1: times more patient turkey hunter than I'm an elk hunter.

1192
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: I've just i feel like I've seen it enough where

1193
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: it sometimes it just takes a little time to materialize

1194
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: and for things to happen like you want them. Yeah,

1195
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to get as close as I can

1196
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: to that gobbling bird without being seen, be as very conservative,

1197
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 1: you know, as conservative as I can, and then try

1198
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:50,240
Speaker 1: to get in tight.

1199
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 2: Another thing by sitting there and listening for a little while.

1200
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 2: I feel like this happens a lot. Like you hear

1201
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 2: one gobble and it's in the distance, and you sit down,

1202
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 2: you start being quiet, and you just listen, and then

1203
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 2: you start calling, and if you let it, give it

1204
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 2: a little bit of time, like five ten minutes. Sometimes

1205
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 2: you hear a gobbler, like really close to you that

1206
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 2: you might not heard before. It's like, oh, I heard

1207
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 2: a gobble, and then you just take off towards it.

1208
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 2: Sometimes you'll walk away from one. Yeah, that would have

1209
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 2: been calling right right there. Sometimes the ones that are

1210
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 2: close to you, sometimes it just takes them a little

1211
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 2: longer to vocalize. Sometimes not. Sometimes they just hammer right away.

1212
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 2: But I feel like giving it a little I feel

1213
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 2: like everything with turkey hunting, if you can give it

1214
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 2: a little more time, Like I am the least patient

1215
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 2: person on planet Earth, and turkey hunting is teaching me

1216
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,439
Speaker 2: patients and I'm exercising that a lot. Like just take

1217
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 2: your time, Just don't get in a rush, you know,

1218
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 2: just give a little time and and by waiting an

1219
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 2: extra ten ten minutes or something, you're you're not going

1220
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 2: to miss out on anything.

1221
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: Yep. Okay, Next scenario will call the morning hen. We

1222
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 1: we roost birds lat or we know where these easterns

1223
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: like the roost, so we'll get in tight. You're set

1224
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: up near that roosting area, and you start to hear

1225
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: the soft clucks and purrs of a hen in a

1226
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: nearby tree, uh, followed by long beards or or you know,

1227
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: dominant bird gobbles. What's your play.

1228
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start doing my tree tree yelping and soft

1229
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 2: clucks and stuff as well. That way, I want to

1230
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 2: let that that Tom know there's other choices besides the

1231
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 2: girls he already knew about. So that's how I'm gonna

1232
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 2: start things. I'm just gonna I'm not going to overdo it,

1233
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 2: though I don't. I think I think you can overcall,

1234
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 2: especially then, but I just want to like enter the

1235
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 2: conversation a little bit and just say hey, I'm over

1236
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 2: here too, and then just kind of let leave it

1237
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 2: at that and count and and like and and less

1238
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 2: that if that n she starts like firing up a

1239
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 2: lot then I'm probably gonna fire up a little bit more.

1240
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 2: But I don't. I don't want to just be there

1241
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 2: and be quiet unless I think if I know their

1242
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: path is going to just lead me, lead them right

1243
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 2: towards me, I may just say nothing. It just kind

1244
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 2: of depends on on the turkeys. If you you've been

1245
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,439
Speaker 2: playing with them a little bit, and you know they're

1246
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 2: gonna fly down to this little narrow field and they're

1247
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 2: gonna walk right by it because they like to go

1248
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 2: feed in a certain spot, then I may just sit

1249
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 2: there and be quiet, because then if I start calling

1250
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 2: that hand when she gets out of the tree, she

1251
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 2: may laid that gobblet away from me.

1252
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: Yep, Now, I like to do you know that similar

1253
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: to what you said, I want to I want to

1254
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: hen you or tree yolp softly, some real light subtle

1255
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: you know clucks, you know, purrs in the trees. And

1256
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: I what I'm looking for is those toms do acknowledge me? Right,

1257
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: We've all been there, whether the toms are doing their

1258
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: own thing or gobbling their own versus when they hit

1259
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: your call right on a on a tree yelp, you

1260
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: know your second or third note? Yeah, yeah, you're like,

1261
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: all right, they know I'm here. That's all I've established it.

1262
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: I'm a turkey over here. And then as it gains

1263
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: more daylight, I start to get personally very worried that

1264
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: they they're looking for me, right, why the hecks you already?

1265
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: Is that hen already on the ground? What what's going on?

1266
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: Why is this happening? And I don't want to get

1267
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: picked off, especially if you like the two days ago

1268
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: when we set up next to those jakes and the

1269
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: one long beard was down the way. Those things were

1270
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: in a tree sixty seventy yards away from me, and

1271
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: by thankfully had really good cover. But I was worried

1272
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: that they're going to try to pinpoint us, and and

1273
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: you know, know that we're on the ground already without

1274
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: a fly down, and you know all of that, and

1275
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: one thing, it depends on our cover. Sometimes I'll omit

1276
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: to fly down. I'll just I'll show up as a

1277
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: hint that's already on the ground. You know, once once

1278
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: I can hear them all fly down. But if the

1279
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: cover allows it, and I can do it in a

1280
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: way where it's realistic and I know I'm not gonna

1281
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: get picked off, we'll do a fly down, cackle and

1282
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: kind of let that bird know that we're the first

1283
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: hindle on the ground. You know, maybe grab his attention

1284
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: to that location, especially when you're trying to fight. You know,

1285
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: the real thing in the adjacent trees. But yeah, that's

1286
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: the same thing. You know, soft soft clucks and purrs,

1287
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: you know, soft soft tree helps just make sure that

1288
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: those birds identify that that we're there. And in the last, uh,

1289
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: the last scenario is the silent woods. There's turkey sign,

1290
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: fresh tricky sign, there's birds around you're hunting area, but

1291
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: the woods are silence, you know, silent. What's your approach.

1292
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna go where I I think they're gonna

1293
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 2: be hanging out. Maybe we're not wear that right now.

1294
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 2: Let's say you know, you have broken meadows and woods

1295
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 2: or fields and woods. If they're they're quiet and they're

1296
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 2: not out in the fields, they're probably in those woods.

1297
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 2: Maybe they're down in a draw or something. But I

1298
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 2: know they want to come up in the field at

1299
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 2: some point. Sometimes mid morning, they're gonna want to go

1300
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 2: come up and strutt in those areas. You know, maybe

1301
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 2: maybe the the hens are gonna want to come up

1302
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 2: there and feed. But if everything's quiet, I'm not hearing anything.

1303
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna kind of be practice at patience again.

1304
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna set up, I'm gonna do some calling. I'll

1305
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 2: put a decoy out. I'm gonna start calling, you know,

1306
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 2: and real sparingly at first, and then maybe get a

1307
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 2: little bit louder, a little bit louder, and then I'm

1308
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 2: just gonna turn it off and let it set. And

1309
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 2: I may sit for an hour or two, depends, and

1310
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 2: sometimes it just takes that time, like they're eventually gonna

1311
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 2: come there, or you know, they're preoccupied, like we talked before,

1312
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 2: you know, with those hens, but but that doesn't work

1313
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 2: out for him, or they're they're ready to do something different.

1314
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 2: I heard Hans over, I'm gonna go check it out.

1315
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 2: So I think you know that it's almost like cold

1316
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 2: calling for elk, you know, you you know there's elk

1317
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 2: in the area. You know there's turkeys in the area.

1318
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 2: We're gonna do a bunch of calling, and then we're

1319
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 2: just to shut up and just kind of see how

1320
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 2: it unfolds.

1321
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: Ye, I think, well, Primus was he used to call

1322
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: it the MRI, right, the most recent information you've got,

1323
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: and so in the morning if we let's say, you know,

1324
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: we've been fortunate here. Randy does a great job with

1325
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: his properties. Usually you can show up on the property

1326
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: even if it's not where you wanted to set up

1327
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: to start the day. You'll hear birds, right and if

1328
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: you don't hear birds, and you know where the birds

1329
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: were at the day before, where they like to frequent,

1330
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: so that's like the best information. Or hey, there was

1331
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: a tom on this field edge on a certain date.

1332
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: So you're you're trying to look at like do I

1333
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: have Number One, do I have live birds that are

1334
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: gobbling today? Do I think their jakes or longbeards? And

1335
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: then you know, and if I don't have any birds,

1336
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: then where have they been? And then if that's not

1337
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: the case, like I like to get as high as

1338
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: I can or on a ridge or get some elevation

1339
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: to my back, you know, on my side, and if

1340
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 1: that doesn't work, Just like we were talking this morning,

1341
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: we were able to actually, you know, hear better from

1342
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: down load just because the angle we could hear up

1343
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 1: on the tops versus if we got as we got

1344
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: to the edge of those hills, we couldn't hear as good.

1345
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: So I want to I want to be able to listen,

1346
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: and then I will run those ridges, and in this

1347
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: time of year, all kind of alternate all you know,

1348
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: why we don't think there's trickys there. I'm kind of

1349
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: cranking through my woodpecker, you know, hawk scream, I'll scream.

1350
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: I'm cranking on the box call. I'm letting you loud yelps.

1351
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm being pretty pointed here because I will

1352
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: I will assume that if I don't hear a bird

1353
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: and the you know, right now, we've got it. We've

1354
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: got it coined. From about daylight to eight thirty, I'm

1355
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: gonna assume that there's not a bird there, because I

1356
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: should be able to get a gobble of some sort.

1357
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: And so I'm gonna run. You're running the ridges or

1358
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: walk just like we did this morning after we had

1359
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,479
Speaker 1: kind of a blown set up. We ended up walking

1360
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: around trying to get some elevation, trying to hear birds,

1361
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: and then reset up and and so I think you

1362
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: just got to cover ground. You got to kind of

1363
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: let your calls, your locators, you know, your your box calls,

1364
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: and even if you're not using the call, just let

1365
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: your ears do the walking, right, Just you got to

1366
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 1: find some some recent information. You've got to find a

1367
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 1: gobbler on its feet, and so I just cover ground,

1368
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: try to get a you know, an answer or response, listen,

1369
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 1: and then and then go from there. So yeah, it's

1370
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: it's it's tough. Sometimes you'll find yourself in those situations

1371
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: where birds just aren't talking, nothing's answering. You just got

1372
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 1: to cover ground, see if you can find them, and

1373
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: if not, you know, call the morning hunting and come

1374
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: back out later. Or if you're patient, if you're more

1375
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: patient than me, you can go sit against the tree

1376
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: and set a decoy out or do some you know,

1377
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: spread it calling and go from there.

1378
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 2: So the great thing about either one of those tactics

1379
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 2: is they work. They both work really well. And depending

1380
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 2: on the size of property you gotta hunt, you know,

1381
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 2: maybe you don't have a large tract. You know that

1382
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 2: that being patient and just sitting and you know, letting

1383
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 2: things unfolds the way to go. If you've got some

1384
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 2: places you can stretch your legs out and put on

1385
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 2: some put on some boot leather miles, then that's that's

1386
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 2: a great way to do it too, because just like

1387
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 2: you say, you know, they might be quite right here,

1388
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 2: but you walk over. If it's broken country, you know,

1389
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 2: you may walk over three hundred yards from where you're

1390
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 2: at and you can hear down into a little drawer

1391
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 2: or a little holler or something, and then all of

1392
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 2: a sudden, bam, you can hear the turkeys. They're right

1393
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 2: over here. They've been calling the whole time, you just

1394
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 2: couldn't hear them because your location.

1395
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: Well, that about wraps it up. We're almost an hour

1396
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: into this. We got to go get ready to go

1397
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: back out turkey hunting. So I really appreciate the one

1398
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: and only Dirk Durham turkey hunting expert, expert in all

1399
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: things wild turkeys.

1400
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 2: Wow, Oh, that was probably the nicest thing you ever

1401
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 2: said about me and the most fictitious.

1402
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: Appreciate you having here. We're having a blossom, Kansas. Thanks

1403
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: for listening to cutting distance and lucked all of you

1404
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: out there chasing turkeys.

1405
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 2: Thanks everybody,