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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey Hey, Elizabeth Dutt, Hey, Hey, hey, good to see

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Speaker 2: my friend.

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Speaker 3: How you been pretty good? Pretty good?

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Speaker 2: Pretty good? Pretty good? Really good? Really neat? Yep, I

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Speaker 2: got a question for you, bride.

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Speaker 3: Asked, well, I got to ask you, how have you been?

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Speaker 2: I'm still here. I'm not pushing up daisies.

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Speaker 3: Above ground and getting paid.

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Speaker 2: I'm on the right side of the grass. It is

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Speaker 2: so question for you. Yeah, do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: I do you like grilled cheese sandwiches?

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Speaker 2: I love grilled cheese.

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Speaker 3: Sandwiches, and you hate mayonnaise.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a fan, but it does make a good

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Speaker 2: spread on the outside, right.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I'm the one who convinced you of that.

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Speaker 2: I think you're the one to push me over the top.

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Speaker 2: I've had it try. I tried it once before, but

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Speaker 2: I never incorporated into my game after you introduced me

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Speaker 2: to it. Now I use it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, tell anyone I won't. It's it's I've been using

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Speaker 3: like a hybrid when I make grilled cheese for my nephew.

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Speaker 3: So you use like a little bit of butter, a

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Speaker 3: little bit of mayonnaise, and then you. You know, grill

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Speaker 3: the cheese.

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Speaker 2: Can you use it for eggs too? Because I use

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Speaker 2: butter for eggs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course you use butter for eggs.

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Speaker 2: Can use mayonnaise f eggs.

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Speaker 3: It's it's made of eggs. Sort of cannibalistic anyway, So

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Speaker 3: tillamook cheese familiar though. Yeah, They're like, we know you

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Speaker 3: love grilled cheese. Guess what what, We also know you're lazy,

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Speaker 3: So we're going to combine butter and mannaise for you.

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Speaker 3: This we got this coming at us from every you know, platform,

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Speaker 3: people sending.

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Speaker 2: How does everybody find these things? I never see online.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what it's like. If if something drops,

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Speaker 3: we know about it because emails, Instagram, blue Sky, everything, voicemail.

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Speaker 2: The only thing the algorithm does right for me is

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Speaker 2: it shields me from all of this stuff.

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Speaker 3: So, like you know, I always find out first everywhere.

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Speaker 3: We're getting it every which way but loose right, And

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Speaker 3: so I looked it up and I'm like, this isn't

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Speaker 3: a lot of people like gross? Now it's not gross.

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Speaker 3: It was limited edition. Fifteen dollars got you a pack

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Speaker 3: of sliced cheese, a jar of this stuff. Butternaise. We're

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Speaker 3: calling it butnaise, and it's it's they they teamed up

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Speaker 3: with Cupie mayonnaise.

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Speaker 2: Oh is that a good man?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's good mayonnaise. And so they they, you know,

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Speaker 3: did this and it came with a little spreader. Oh

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Speaker 3: so cute. Fifteen dollars sold out online in two minutes.

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Speaker 2: You're getting much better at these mashups. This is now

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Speaker 2: that I think the second or third mashup that I

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Speaker 2: have not hated.

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Speaker 3: I'd be better if I found out about these things

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Speaker 3: before they happened, and then I could try and you know,

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Speaker 3: get my grubby paws on something like that.

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Speaker 2: But two minutes that's crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And then this writer for food and Wine used

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Speaker 3: it and said it was pretty good.

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Speaker 2: So they got it. They got in that two minute window.

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Speaker 3: No, I think because they're a writer for food they

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Speaker 3: sent them right. Yeah, of course, which hello brands right here, totally.

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Speaker 3: I'll make a grilled cheese read the word right, mash

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Speaker 3: it up anyway. That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: It is ridiculous, Elizabeth. It is, well, you know, I

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Speaker 2: got one for you.

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Speaker 3: Oh nice?

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Speaker 2: Oh, no, I guess is a fun one. I think

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Speaker 2: you actually might really enjoy this. I could be wrong, though, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I've been wrong before. Yeah, I'll probably be wrong.

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Speaker 3: You know what happens to the best of Elizabeth?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine it's the nineteen twenties.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm doing that right now.

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Speaker 2: You're a young married woman and let's say you go

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Speaker 2: out one day in your model teed. You decide to

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Speaker 2: rob one little old bank in Texas, and all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden, everyone from coast to coast is calling you

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Speaker 2: the Flapper Bandit.

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Speaker 4: Nice.

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Speaker 2: This is Ridiculous Crime, A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers,

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Speaker 2: ice and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free

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Speaker 2: and one hundred percent ridiculous ridiculous. Yes, Elizabeth, Yes, zaren as,

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Speaker 2: I promise I've got a fun little crime story for

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Speaker 2: you today. It's about a woman known as the Flapper Bandit. Now,

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Speaker 2: when I say flapper, what do you think of?

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Speaker 3: Nineteen twenties, short haircuts, no petticoats?

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Speaker 2: Can he be even more specific? Like here, I'll give

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Speaker 2: you an example. I think of singing Sea Green Eyes.

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Speaker 2: It came from Ayward. Now I think of singing in

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Speaker 2: the rain and Debbie Reynolds when she's driving her nineteen

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Speaker 2: his adoring fans and he drops down from a street car,

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Speaker 2: dressed like the ultimate twenties flapper girl, short hair, got

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Speaker 2: do you have any images like that of like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is a flapper I think of like a specific

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Speaker 3: I just keep thinking of those drawings from the era.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, those are fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fun, you know, because everyone can see them as

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Speaker 2: So as you well know, the nineteen twenties were a

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Speaker 2: major turning point in the history of American women. That's

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Speaker 2: basically like when women became.

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Speaker 2: Yeah's honestly like for the nineteen twenty American women one

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Speaker 2: for themselves, the right to vote, correct, at least white women. Now,

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Speaker 2: women also started to become a common sight on college campuses.

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Speaker 2: They became more and more involved in the workforce. Young

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Speaker 2: They started wearing their hair short. They preferred, as I said,

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Speaker 2: those shapeless dresses. They weren't accentuating their curves as much.

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Speaker 2: They ditched the exaggerated busts from girdles and the augmented

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Speaker 3: totally couldn't breathing. Women are fating, yes now.

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Speaker 2: Some women even started in the twenties, started wearing men's

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Speaker 2: Women also got into devices.

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Speaker 3: You know, I love that they're already in devices.

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Speaker 2: I know. But they started smoking cigarettes. There's all the

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Speaker 2: and speakeasies. Pandemonium, Elizabeth now per our interests there was

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Speaker 2: also a new wave of women getting into crime. Nice, right,

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Speaker 2: these many changes for young women, they all get magnified

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Speaker 2: as one one thing, a moral panic. So you know,

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Speaker 2: it's like basically people were complaining young women are unrecognizable today, right,

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Speaker 2: which we did not unfamiliar to us. Now. In the

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Speaker 2: so called nonsense on the flappers, that was the term, right,

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Speaker 2: So these flappers were ruining the sweetness and innocence of girlhood,

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Speaker 2: and young women were sometimes also occasionally treated like, especially

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Speaker 2: the criminal ones, is like a gangster's mall, like, oh,

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Speaker 2: now you're helping these like serious hardcore criminals. You're a

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Speaker 2: willing partner in crime, you know, like think like Bonnie

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Speaker 2: who was into crime or crime adjacent was called a

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's.

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Speaker 2: So in order to kind of connect them to the

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Speaker 2: that moral panic I was talking about, right, how women

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Speaker 2: were changing now, they were becoming god forbid independent. Now

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Speaker 2: enter into this nea millieu. Rebecca Bradley Rogers aka the Flapper.

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Speaker 3: Bands flapper Banda.

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Speaker 2: She was dubbed that by newspaper men of the day,

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Speaker 2: and she is who I want to tell you about today.

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Speaker 2: Nice Rebecca Bradley Rogers born Rebecca Bradley back in nineteen

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Speaker 2: oh five and Texarkana, Texas, which by the way, has

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Speaker 3: Oh really there too, Yeah, I did not know the saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like cal Lexico and Mexicality. I love that,

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Speaker 2: which is much more fun. Anyway. Her friends, then family,

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Speaker 2: At age six, in nineteen eleven, Becky's parents picked up

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Speaker 2: she meets her high school sweetheart, this ambitious, young plucky

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Speaker 3: Come back to Rogers, got it.

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Speaker 2: After high school graduation, the young couple, they both moved

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Speaker 2: While they're there in college, the pair, they pop on

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Speaker 2: down to the courthouse in Georgetown, Texas, and they get

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Speaker 3: Don't tell.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The year is nineteen twenty five, Elizabeth, and no

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Speaker 2: bride's mother, who Rebecca was actually rather close with, now

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Speaker 2: officially known as Rebecca Bradley Rogers, the young co ed.

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Speaker 2: She goes ahead. She pursues a bachelor's degree in history

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Speaker 2: at the University of Texas at Austin. And I read

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Speaker 2: that her annual tuition at ut was three hundred dollars

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Speaker 2: a year, and she took out a loan to pay this.

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Speaker 3: That's a lot back then.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I looked at U because I know you're always

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Speaker 2: into this. Yes, So nineteen twenty five three hundred dollars tuition,

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Speaker 2: This is annual tuition, right, So either both semesters or whatever,

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Speaker 2: four quarters, three quarters.

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Speaker 3: It's complicated, but yeah.

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Speaker 2: Okay, anyway, it would cost fIF fifty five hundred dollars today. Wow,

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Speaker 2: it's an annual tuition full year of school. So now

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Speaker 2: if like me, you're like, we're wondering how much that

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Speaker 2: compared to the current tuition at UT.

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Speaker 3: Okay, to keep in mind, this is a public institution.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Now this is for an in state student, because

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Speaker 2: that's what Becky was.

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Speaker 3: And we're talking tuition only.

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Speaker 2: No annual tuition costs eleven six hundred and eighty eight dollars,

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Speaker 2: so basically it's doubled.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's not that's not that's just the tuition.

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Speaker 2: If you add it all up tuition, books, room and board,

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Speaker 2: as an on campus housing, you include the average really

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Speaker 2: miscellaneous school life expenses. The toll that they tell you

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Speaker 2: to prepare for life at UT for one year is

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Speaker 2: thirty two thousand dollars for in state tuition in state. Yeahs,

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Speaker 2: anyway back to nineteen twenty five.

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Speaker 2: But also just the idea that hustle culture is nothing new.

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Speaker 2: So what sort of part time jobs did Becky Rodgers

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Speaker 2: Great question, So glad you asked me. Well, for one,

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Speaker 3: For I wonder what she needed to do with that teach.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't show up in the newspapers. No one asked her, like,

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Speaker 3: Your major for me in the ghost teaching?

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Speaker 2: of openings on the possibilities. Now her secret husband Otis Rodgers.

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Speaker 2: I mean, let's be real, be real. She had to

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Speaker 3: Maybe all he was like, I'm going to get away.

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Speaker 3: She can work while I go to school. Otherwise what's

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Speaker 2: That's a good point, you know, living at home.

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Speaker 2: She's like, I'm gonna double up.

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Speaker 2: A lot of scrimping and saving in this family hustle

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Speaker 2: I remind you, she does not know is married. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But they live together.

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Speaker 2: They did until the mother showed up. I don't know

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, with even more of a now of a

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Speaker 2: takes on a new challenge, one that will, in her hopes,

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Speaker 3: That's not bad, right, Why didn't he just go all

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Speaker 2: Totally. Basically good news for her is her gambit and

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and he's like explaining like why he had

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I know, right, she should have gotten some

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Speaker 3: She was good at typing, she hired herself.

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Speaker 3: Who's looking to have employees guilty of financial milf.

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Speaker 2: With her flashy new job, Becky still isn't making the

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, sometimes she don't get to do those things.

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Speaker 2: That's where the money is. So Becky looks around she

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Speaker 2: finds the perfect bank to rob. Oh yes, sah nice, Okay, Elizabeth,

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00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,280
Speaker 2: let's take a little break now. Use this time to

436
00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,520
Speaker 2: think about how things change, but they all kind of

437
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,320
Speaker 2: stay the same, because how relatable is Becky's story. Becky,

438
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,359
Speaker 2: we get back after these ads. We'll get to the

439
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 2: criming now, Elizabeth, we're back. Are you ready to hear

440
00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,159
Speaker 2: about how Becky Rogers becomes the Flapper Band?

441
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:01,440
Speaker 3: I am ready.

442
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 2: So there's this town just north of Boston called round Rock, Texas.

443
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,160
Speaker 2: In this sleepy little town, there's a bank called Farmers

444
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,040
Speaker 2: State Bank that becomes Becky's perfect target for a one

445
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,640
Speaker 2: woman bank job. Doesn't bring in any of those scenographers

446
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,680
Speaker 2: in for this. She's like, I'm taking that bank down

447
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 2: by myself. So one day, when she has some time

448
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 2: to herself, she drives her model T Coop north from

449
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 2: Austin to case the joint. The date is Wednesday, December eighth,

450
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,120
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty six.

451
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:27,639
Speaker 3: Okay.

452
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,879
Speaker 2: When she hits town, Becky tells the locals what her

453
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 2: name is, Grace Lofton. It just makes up a cover, right,

454
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 2: So she arrives in town and to this Texas small

455
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 2: town locals, she's this very fashionable, modern young woman of

456
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 2: the roaring twenties. Yeah, so basically she's a threat to

457
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 2: all the hold deer. Now anyway, Becky tells anyone who

458
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 2: will ask that I'm a writer. I'm a journalist. I'm

459
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 2: working for this newspaper down in Waco. They're like, okay,

460
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 2: big city girl with modern problems, right, So this Texas

461
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 2: small town the locals did kind of put them at ease.

462
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 2: She asked them about farm business, like something really that

463
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 2: they know. She asks how's the latest cotton harvest because

464
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 2: that was like the big cash crop in that area

465
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 2: at the time. So for a few days she's following

466
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 2: this same routine. Becky goes down, arrives at the bank,

467
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 2: she mills around the lobby. She asked the local farmers

468
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 2: questions about how's the cotton harvest? Right, because it's December,

469
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 2: so she's like asking them how they've just done, what

470
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 2: they're looking forward to planning next year. If they're reluctant

471
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 2: or suspicious of this modern, young flapper girl, she tells them, oh, no,

472
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 2: it's for an agriculture report. And the newspaper down in

473
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,439
Speaker 2: wake Up people were like, Okay, I'm glad they're covering

474
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 2: the issues we're facing. Nobody ever comes down here to Round.

475
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 3: Rock and how.

476
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 2: We're doing now. She wants readers to know how hard

477
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 2: life is for this farming community. And as you know,

478
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 2: the dust Bowl is coming well into view at this

479
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 2: point in this area. And this is just before the

480
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 2: Wall Street crash in twenty nine, but farmers in places

481
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 2: like Texas are already feeling the economy tanking. So Becky

482
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 2: says she wants people to know about their struggles, and

483
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 2: they're like, thank you, sister, But anyway, so, like I said,

484
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 2: this is of course all just her cover. Meanwhile, she's

485
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 2: actually surveilling the bank. She's busy to getting like a

486
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 2: read on. You know, when's the best time to rob

487
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 2: the bank vault.

488
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

489
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 2: After two days of her news gathering, Becky decides there's

490
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 2: no perfect time to bust this bank. People are coming

491
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 2: in at odd hours, there's nothing regular. I can't figure

492
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,640
Speaker 2: out a nice window. So she decides, Okay, what's the

493
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 2: next best way to do this. She's like, I got it.

494
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 2: I need to stage a diversion. Oh okay, so well

495
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 2: everyone's looking the other way. Boom, She'll pop in, rob

496
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 2: the bank, hop at, get into her model t zip

497
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 2: away bing bang, boom. Problem solved. Yeah, Becky looks around.

498
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 2: What's a good diversion? She decides, what are people afraid of? Oh? Yeah,

499
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 2: of course fire.

500
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 3: Wait, so she's still in Texas here round Rock tex

501
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:39,360
Speaker 3: She didn't go across state line.

502
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 2: No, no, that she's not good at bank robbing. She

503
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 2: only goes like twenty thirty miles away. Right, So she

504
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 2: finds his vacant I.

505
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 3: Feel like at night, she went back to her room

506
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 3: and actually wrote the article for the paper, just.

507
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 2: To really have a like a strong cover, so she

508
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 2: can show people, like, here's the copy I'm working on.

509
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 2: How did you spell that last name? Leftowitz? So she

510
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 2: finds his vacant residence near the bank, right, and so,

511
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: on Friday, December tenth, nineteen twenty six, Becky decides it's

512
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 2: time to change her financial luck.

513
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 3: Let's stack some felonies exactly.

514
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 2: So she goes down. She goes to a local star.

515
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 2: She buys just two things, matches in coal oil. Oh,

516
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 2: and then just before the bank closes, Becky sneaks into

517
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 2: a vacant house. And then she sets the vacant structure

518
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 2: on fire. Now, however, unbeknownst to Becky, the next door neighbor,

519
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 2: a busy body woman, sees this young woman duck into

520
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 2: the empty home. Ten minutes later, she sees that same

521
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 2: modern young woman leaving a rush. The flapper hops in

522
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 2: her Model T Coop and speeds away, and then all

523
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 2: of a sudden, that's not suspicious enough. Moments later, the

524
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: empty house erupts in bright red flames. There's puffs of

525
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 2: smoke coming out of the windows.

526
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 3: Little fire bug.

527
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: Right.

528
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 2: So meanwhile, a few blocks away, Becky's now enacting part

529
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: two of her grand plan. She parks her Model T

530
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 2: Coop and leaves it, running rushes into the bank, exclaims

531
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: fire fire. Becky's s outs for all to hear, right,

532
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 2: and but her worried screams bank employees are nonplus They're like,

533
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 2: stuff burns? Is it my house? And I don't care?

534
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 2: So no one from the bank leaves, just your diversion.

535
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 2: As Becky would later recall, quote, I told them I

536
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: was sure I saw a house of fire up the street,

537
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 2: but they didn't seem to be paying any attention to it.

538
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 3: They're like, you have no idea, how oft?

539
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is Texas, baby, so burns the wind starts fired.

540
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 3: That's true.

541
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: So just like her big grand plan of a disversion failing. Now,

542
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 2: she's like, what's a girl to do? So Becky just

543
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: stands there in the lobby. She doesn't know what to do.

544
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 2: So she waits for closing time at the bank. Maybe

545
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 2: she can just like slide in right at the last minute.

546
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 2: That doesn't work. The vault gets shut locked for the night,

547
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 2: and you know, they have a time lock. So she's like,

548
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 2: this isn't opening till tomorrow. She's like, I missed my chance.

549
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 2: So there's no way to force her way into the

550
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 2: vault rob the place. So, I mean, this is her

551
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 2: first time. She's a newcomer at this, right, So she's like,

552
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,719
Speaker 2: I should go home and think harder about how I'm

553
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 2: gonna do this. So, frustrated, Becky drives back home to Austin.

554
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: She's got to make like, you know, dinner for her

555
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 2: mother and her husband now, So the next day, she

556
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 2: hops back in her model Tea coop, sneaks away from Austin,

557
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: drives back up to round Rock, the town where she

558
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 2: started a fire. Now, once he's there, she goes back

559
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: to milling about asking people questions, gee, looking for some

560
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 2: kind of opportunity to rob the bank. However, now she's

561
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 2: a full on person of interest. Well yeah in this

562
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: small town, Yeah, she's the only stranger. And she comes

563
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 2: out of the flaming building. So now the locals are

564
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 2: asking your questions like weren't you in that house down

565
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 2: on Rainy Street?

566
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 3: Or hold the questions about the cott, and I got

567
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 3: questions for you.

568
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got questions of my own now before the

569
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 2: lock and get involved. Becky hops back into her Model

570
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 2: T Coop and splits down. So it's the only good

571
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 2: decision she's made so far.

572
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 3: Oh, I keep saying, Oh, it's one thing after another.

573
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: Becky drives back to Austin, but she doesn't stop. I

574
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 2: don't think she wanted to go home and make dinner

575
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 2: for her mother and husband again, since she just keeps going.

576
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 2: She drives right past Austin. She continues south for fifteen miles.

577
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: She gets this little town called Buddha, Texas. Buda Texas, Okay.

578
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: She takes the newly constructed San Antonio Highway. So Buddha

579
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: Texas another sleepy little Texas town. And like round Rock,

580
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: it also has a farmer state bank. She's like, I

581
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 2: recognize that bank. She's loyal totally. So the bank is

582
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: like it's part of a stringer commercial buildings. It's located

583
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: near railroad tracks, just like you know. She's like, oh,

584
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: I think that there's not going to be as many

585
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: high witnesses if I start another fire. So the bank

586
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,959
Speaker 2: catches the eye of Becky, right, so she's like, this

587
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 2: looks like an easier score. Becky leans on her university education.

588
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 2: She uses the same gambit. Becky claims to be a

589
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: young reporter working on an agg report for a local paper.

590
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: This time she mixes it up. She's like, people knew

591
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: about that Waco paper, So she goes, yeah, the Beaumont Enterprise,

592
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: like East Texas, which is about her choice. So now

593
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 2: I haven't really described what Becky looks like. Yeah, so

594
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 2: she stood five feet too, so she's petite. She weighs

595
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: about ninety pounds. She's often described as being this attractive

596
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 2: young woman in brown hair. But unlike those like fast

597
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: big city girls, those actual truth flappers, she wears homemade

598
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 2: dresses that she sows herself when she's True Texas. So

599
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: Becky has though the same confidence of these modern young women,

600
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: even in her homemade dress. She may not look like

601
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: a flapper, but she damned your acts like one.

602
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: Right.

603
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 2: So, relying on her cover story, Becky again once again.

604
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: She's interviewing the local merchants, the farmers bank employees. She

605
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 2: asks everyone about the local cotton crop. After she collects

606
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 2: her sound bites and quotes for her story, Becky asks

607
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 2: the bank employees for a little favor. She's like, can

608
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 2: I use one of your typewriters just to like type

609
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: up my notes and work on my story for the paper.

610
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 2: And it's two male bank employees. They're charmed by the

611
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: attractive young woman and they invite her to join them

612
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: behind the teller's cage, like, yeah, you can use this

613
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: typewriter right over here. So basically Becky is now sweet

614
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 2: talked her way behind the bank teller's security cage.

615
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

616
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, So she gets situated starts typing up her notes. Meanwhile,

617
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: it's slow, no customers are in the bank. One of

618
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 2: the bank tellers needs to like, you know, clean up

619
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: his all the deposit slips, so he goes to make

620
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: a deposit in the safe in the bank's vault, and

621
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: when he opens the vault door, sweet little attractive twenty

622
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: one year old Becky Rodgers realizes this is my moment.

623
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: So she pulls out a thirty two caliber automatic pistol,

624
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: whoa aims it at the two bank employs. The two

625
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: male bank tellers, Frank Jamison and j R. Howe. They're

626
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: both stunned to see the business end of a gun

627
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 2: pointed at them, especially in the hands of this cute

628
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: female reporter who's just a little slip of a thing.

629
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: So Becky orders the bank tellers to open the safe

630
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: inside the bank vault, and she says to him, dig

631
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: that money out. Real flapper talk. Now, since she has

632
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: the gun is encouragement. The bank tellers do as they're told.

633
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 2: Once inside the bank vault, Becky sies like two stacks

634
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: of cash, and she shoves this money in her purse.

635
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: It's about somewhere. I saw different amounts. Some people said

636
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 2: two thousands, some people said one thousands, some people said

637
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 2: twelve hundred dollars. So it's enough that she will take

638
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 2: care of the money she owes right, So it's like

639
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: a little bit more than one thousand dollars, all in

640
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: brand new five dollar bills. So at this point, Becky

641
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: worries about the bank teller. So she asked the bank tellers,

642
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: I leave you in this vault. Is there enough air

643
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: for you to survive for like a half hour. They're like, yeah, sure, yeah,

644
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: no problem. Yeah. She's like, like you it won't just

645
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 2: be like ten minutes to pass out.

646
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 3: No, it'll will instantly suffocate, So they look bil Hower.

647
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: She closes the door, locks them in the vault. Then

648
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 2: she like, you know cool and call me Steve the Queen.

649
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 2: She crosses over through the bank, steps outside, walks over

650
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: to her Model te coop fires that bad boy to life,

651
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: and then she shimmys and shakes her way right out

652
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: of town in her Model Tea. This is now her

653
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: second attempted bank robbery, this time total success. Becky is

654
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: elated nice and she knows like. She's like, okay, I

655
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 2: need not to speed. I'm just gonna I don't want

656
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: to get caught doing something dumb. So she gets back

657
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: on the new San Antonio Highway and heads north back

658
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 2: home to Austin. She's like, now I can make dinner

659
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: for my mom and I husband. Meanwhile, back at the bank,

660
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 2: a mere ten minutes after they're locked inside, the two

661
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: bank employees they managed to use a screwdriver to free

662
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: themselves from inside the bank vault. I was reading this,

663
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, what kind of janky bank fault do they have?

664
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: You can open it? So then I realized people aren't

665
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: ever trying to break out from inside of a dot

666
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: need the best security. But you know what, it's probably

667
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,479
Speaker 2: actually even like a way for an employee gets trapped.

668
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: It's like an actual ship release. Yeah, anyway, I don't know.

669
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: They get they get free. The two bank employees they

670
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 2: hop on the phone. They proceed to alert law enforcement

671
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: in all four cardinal directions that the bank's just been

672
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: robbed and be able to look out for a young

673
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: woman moving through the world by herself driving a model

674
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 2: T Coop. There's also one other important detail some of

675
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: the suspicious locals, because of course Becky draws an ire.

676
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 3: You go into any small town, oh yeah, you know,

677
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 3: and you're not from there, they're going to clock you immediately.

678
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. So they were like definitely mad dog in

679
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: her right. And they not only did that, they memorized

680
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: her license plate. Yes, so they're like, oh yeah, her

681
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: license plate is eight one zero dash eight six three

682
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: and say, yeah, the two bank employees they give this

683
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: detail to the police. The police put out an APB

684
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: for this woman driving a model T Coop with license

685
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: plate eight one zero eight sixty three. The flapper girl,

686
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,239
Speaker 2: you just rob the local Farmers State bank, right, So

687
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: now will Becky escape the Texas Sheriffs, the Texas Rangers,

688
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: they're all gonna be hot on her pursuit. Well, rather

689
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 2: than me answer that question, Elizabeth, I'd like you to

690
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: close your eyes close, and I'd like you to picture it.

691
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: It's a crisp, quiet day in Texas in December of

692
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty six, at the moment the thrill of speed

693
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: whips through the open window of your model T Coop

694
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: as you shimmy and shake down a two lane Texas highway.

695
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: And you, Elizabeth, are the notorious young modern woman turned

696
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: bank robber Becky Rodgers. You're enjoying a satisfied smile to yourself,

697
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: thinking back to the look on the faces of those

698
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: two dupe bank employees when you aimed your thirty two

699
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: caliber automatic pistol at them and demanded cash from the vault.

700
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 2: You weren't sure you get away with it, but you did. It,

701
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: all went perfectly well, and now all you need to

702
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: do is just get back home to Austin. However, you

703
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: take your eyes off the road for just a moment

704
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: as you reach into your purse to look again at

705
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: that stolen loot. The answer to your felonious prayers, the

706
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: money looks like a happy future for you and your husband,

707
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: even your mother. And that's when you hear it, the

708
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 2: sucking sound of a car tire going off the road

709
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: and into the mud that runs alongside the road. The

710
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 2: car tire pulls your model t Coop off the road

711
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: and boom, just like that, You're stuck in the mud,

712
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: left behind after a wintertime storm. You're done for, You're

713
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: sure of it. How can your luck turn so fast?

714
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: You don't know what to do. How could this happen?

715
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: There's no way you can get out by yourself. It

716
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: was all going so well. You're on the brink of

717
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: hot tears wetting your cheeks. Then you see it, a

718
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: horse drawn wagon. Looks like yes, it is a dairyman

719
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: bringing milk to market. You thank your lucky stars is.

720
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: The horse drawn wagon pulls closer and closer. You wave

721
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: down the dairyman. He waves back. The horse drawn wagon

722
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: pulls closer and then finally pulls to a stop. Ask

723
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: why howdy? Everything okay there, young lady? You explain that

724
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: you were driving along alone and you were silly. You

725
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: took your eyes off the road just for a second.

726
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: You leave out the part about clocking stolen loot. The

727
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 2: dairy man. He offers to help pull you out of

728
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: the mud, and you are quick to accept his kind offer.

729
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: As the local milkman hops down and ties his wagon

730
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 2: to the front end of your Model T Coop, you

731
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: say a little prayer that no cops drive by. Once

732
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 2: the dairy man is set, he tells you he's gonna

733
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 2: give the horses a signal to pull, so try not

734
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 2: to fall out. You grip the steering wheel and you

735
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: aim the car tires back at the road. The dairy

736
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 2: man yells yeah yeah to his team of draft horses.

737
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 2: The tremendously thick horses heaved too, and you feel their strength.

738
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 2: As your Model T Coop yanks forward. The dairyman shouts again.

739
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

740
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: A second good tug at your Model Tea Coop. It's

741
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: pulled back on to the dry road. You thank the

742
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: dairyman with a big smile. He tells you it was

743
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 2: his honor and pleasure to help a fair and maiden

744
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: in distress. He unhooks his team of horses from the

745
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 2: front end of your Model Tea and he tells you

746
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 2: keep your eyes on the road, little lady, and you

747
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 2: should be fine. You thank him again. You start up

748
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: your car engine. He waves you good buy. As you

749
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: hit the gas. Your model Tea Coop shimmys and shakes

750
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: its way on down the road. So back on the road.

751
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Becky stops again at a cute little confectionery shop.

752
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: She buys herself a box of candy. Wait, job well done.

753
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 3: She's on the run from the police, and she's like.

754
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: I need, I need, I need some chocolates.

755
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 3: I need a chocolate covered caramel.

756
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 2: I gotta be honest, though she doesn't plan to eat

757
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: the sweets. In fact, I don't even know if she

758
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: throws him out, but she empties the box of candy

759
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 2: and she secrets her thirty two caliber automatic pistol on there.

760
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 2: And then she puts in the one thousand or so

761
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: dollars of the stolen bank job loot, and puts that

762
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 2: in the candy box of.

763
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: Candies, and she put a.

764
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: Big heart, like a big end. Yeah. So then she

765
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: takes the candy box to a department store to be

766
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 2: wrapped up as a gift. Smart girl.

767
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 3: Now she's suddenly smart.

768
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 2: Now she's thinking. Once it's gift wrapped, Becky takes the

769
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: box of candy and heads to the Austin Post Office.

770
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 2: That's where she plans to send the fakes box of

771
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: candy to herself at the university. Okay, as Becky recalls it, later,

772
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 2: I told the man at the window it was an iron.

773
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 2: Some women would call a gun an iron, so you see,

774
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 2: I didn't yarn about it. I addressed the package to

775
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 2: the university station because I didn't want it to get

776
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: back too soon. Amazing exact, she now secured her gun

777
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: and her stolen loot in the mail. Backy drives over

778
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 2: to her local garage. She asked the guy there to

779
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: give her car a wash and she'll come and get

780
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: it later. The reason is simple. There's all this drying

781
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 2: mud from when she got stuck in the mud in

782
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: the side of the farm road. This, Elizabeth is her

783
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: big mistake, well other than robbing the bank, right, but so,

784
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 2: because there's this eagle eyed patrolman walking around, he spots

785
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: the license plate of the model T coop license plate

786
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 2: eight one zero dash eight sixty three. It matches the

787
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 2: APB for the bank robber down in Buddha. The Austin

788
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 2: rollman walks over to a little phone, calls in two

789
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 2: other police officers come out and join them. Together, they

790
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: create an improvised sting operation. Oh no, all three high

791
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 2: there and they wait for the person to come back

792
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 2: and claim this car. Now, if Becky had checked the

793
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 2: local newspaper, the Austin Statesman, she would have seen that

794
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: her bank job, the one she pulled in Buddha, was

795
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 2: already in the news. Yeah, they had it by the afternoon.

796
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 2: The evening extra right, the Austin Statesman runs a story

797
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: with the headline Flapper seventeen takes two thousand dollars in

798
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: currency at gunpoint. Eyewitnesses that estimated her to be younger

799
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: than she was. Obviously, she's this is the little thing.

800
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: So they see this cute, petite bank robber and they go,

801
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 2: that's a high school girl. So Austin Statesman also mints

802
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 2: the phrase that becomes Becky Rodgers's new nickname, her gnom

803
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: de crime. The paper dubs her the Flapper Bandit. Now,

804
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: instead of reading up on her bank job, Becky instead

805
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: walks over to her apartment, the one she shares with

806
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: her mother. She freshens up, and when it's time, she

807
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: walks back to get her car from the garage. When

808
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: she returns to the garage around five point thirty in

809
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 2: the afternoon to pick up her freshly washed and wax

810
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 2: a little model t coop. That's when she sees three

811
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: cops waiting for her. They spring their trap. They arrest Becky.

812
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: Down goes the Flapper Bandits, one successful boom. Things are

813
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 2: about to get way worse before they get any better

814
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: for old back one bank job. That's all. It's all

815
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 2: Flapper band everything.

816
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 3: I still I'm impressed with how quickly that story made

817
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 3: the wire, right.

818
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 2: I was too. Now, Elizabeth, let's take a little break

819
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 2: and after these messages, we'll see how this all plays

820
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: out for the Flapper Bandit. And we're Elizabeth, yes, we are,

821
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 2: so you digging the Flapper band I love this right,

822
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 2: It's like such a mix of like, yeah, go Becky,

823
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 2: all back, It's a roller coaster, Okay, So you ready

824
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 2: hear how the Flapper band It makes out when she

825
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: gets dropped into Texas.

826
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 3: Justice, I am ready.

827
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: And also, by the way, she's now about to become

828
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: a national news headline. So once she's busted by the

829
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: Austin p D, the local Texas papers try to get

830
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: their journalistic arms around her story and like, what is

831
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: going on with modern young women, only it's not so

832
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: nicely put. Now they're robbing banks. So anyway, the newspaper

833
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 2: men they hit up her college and they interview anyone

834
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: who claims to know Becky Rodgers. The Fort Worth Star

835
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: Telegram they published this story that reports that her former

836
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: friends and classmates are all stupefied by the news that

837
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: Little Becky Rodgers is in the notorious Flapper Bandit not

838
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 2: little Becky Rodgers, the history major. So they insist that

839
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: the Becky they know would never do anything like that.

840
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: So there was also a little side to Becky Rodgers

841
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 2: at her friends and former classmates never really got to know. Yeah,

842
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 2: not just like the robbing the bank's part, but she

843
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: also had a really dark sns of humor because the

844
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 2: local Texas law enforcement they did get to know this

845
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: unknown side of Becky.

846
00:39:59,200 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 3: Oh really yes.

847
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: On the way down to San Marcos. But down there

848
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 2: in Hayes County, it's like the Sheriff's taking her to

849
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 2: arrain her. The sheriff's man named George Allen, doesn't really

850
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 2: matter anyway, he's driving along with Little Becky Rodgers, and

851
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 2: along the way they passed through Buddha and sheriff would

852
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: later tell newspaper reporters that when she saw Buddha again,

853
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: Becky quote burst out laugh and it said, I have

854
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 2: a whole lot to live down, but not as much

855
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 2: as those men back there who let a little girl

856
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: hold them up with an empty gun. Oh, she had

857
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 2: no bullets in her gun, and she's bragging about it.

858
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 3: Come on, don't talk.

859
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 2: I know your audience back. So the next day, following

860
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: her arrest and arraignment, her employer comes in bails her out.

861
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: So the like, yeah, we're talking the which employer? This

862
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 2: is the thing. I think it's the professor, not the

863
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 2: attorney general. So are for employer? Yeah, So there are

864
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: more charges coming because a few days later she's arrested again.

865
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: Why great question.

866
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 3: Elizabeth request The folks from around.

867
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 2: Rock recognize her as the flapper arsonists to hit their

868
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: town and felonies.

869
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 4: Now.

870
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 3: I love that she's got an attitude about it too, Right, girl,

871
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 3: you're the one in the police car, in.

872
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: The box, in cuffs. You got on them metal bracelets.

873
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 2: So the county arraigns Becky on charges of arson. In

874
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 2: September nineteen twenty seven, her first trial begins down in Georgetown,

875
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 2: which is the county seat for Williamson County, located here

876
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: in central Texas. At this point, her story has gone national.

877
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: The headlines they're coming fast, furious. Everybody's loving the story.

878
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 2: This like plucky little Becky Rodgers, aka the Flapper Bandit.

879
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 2: That's what everybody from coast to coast is reading about

880
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 2: the trial of the Flapper Bandit. In the courtroom, the

881
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 2: jurors have to listen to eyewitness accounts. They're trying, you know,

882
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: they're told not to follow the news stories. I don't

883
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 2: know how well they do. Anyway, they're considering the evidence.

884
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 2: And then after they do all of this and they're

885
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 2: listening to eyewitness accounts, listening to the police listening. They're

886
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 2: considering all the evidence. They retired to the jury room

887
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 2: to deliberate, but the jurors cannot come to a decision,

888
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: a unanimous decision. The trial ends with neither a conviction

889
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: or an acquittal. As a result, a second trial is scheduled.

890
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: They're like, we're going to have to do this all

891
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 2: over again, jury exactly. So meanwhile, Becky's put on trial

892
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: for the gun charges from the bank robbery and Buddha.

893
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: So the first trials. The arson second trial ends up

894
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 2: being the gun charges. Keep in mind, armed robbery in

895
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: Texas at this time was a capital offence as she's

896
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 2: facing the death penalty.

897
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 3: Oh dear, Oh yeah, yeah, real bad.

898
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 2: I don't even think she did any reading. I guess

899
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 2: for somebody who studies history, she was not.

900
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 3: Too up on the present they used to do it.

901
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, she should know, like downtownas what.

902
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 3: Her area of emphasis was in her studies research.

903
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 2: So the national newspapers at this point are having a

904
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: field day with this story about this girl down in

905
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: Texas is about to get sent to the electric chair

906
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 2: for like robbing one bank. So as the Oregon Daily

907
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: Journal reports with their choice headline flapper abandon and shadow

908
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 2: of the electric chair. Oh no, her after sitting in

909
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: the gallery for the first trial, her secret husband Otis Rodgers,

910
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 2: who's now been unmasked as her legal husband, decides to

911
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: put his education to the test. He joins his wife's

912
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: defense team and he fights to free as young bride.

913
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 3: I can't tell that this is a good idea.

914
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 2: Oh, I not tell you. Since it's a capital offense,

915
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 2: the court takes it quite seriously, as does her husband.

916
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 2: He's like I don't want to lose her to the chair.

917
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 2: And since it's difficult to secure it unbiased jury, her

918
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: second trial gets relocated to a new county, Fayette County,

919
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 2: in this town called Lagrange. Doesn't really matter anyway. Oh yeah,

920
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 2: so December, Oh there you go, look at you cultured

921
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 2: pretty much. December seventeenth, nineteen twenty seven. The jurors are

922
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 2: listening to eyewitness testimony, they weigh the evidence. They listen

923
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: to her husband's closing arguments.

924
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 3: Which are.

925
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: It's great, going for maximum drama. He tells the jury

926
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 2: if they convict his wife, hanger high.

927
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 3: Wait what y he says in court?

928
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 2: And I quote hang her high? And then I, as

929
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: the son of my life sinks to setting, will come

930
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: to cut her down and bury her with the last

931
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 2: of my dreams, a victim of man's inhumanity to man.

932
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 3: The way to make it about you, right.

933
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 2: Like maybe talk about the purpose anyway. So he was

934
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 2: a member of the debate team in college, so he's

935
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: like trying to bring to bear all the eloquence and

936
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: drama he can muster.

937
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,479
Speaker 3: He wins under his belt.

938
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 2: Apparently he was really good that he had, like he

939
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: had like trophies and stuff. So after his closing argument,

940
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 2: the jurors retired to deliberate. This time, the jurors are

941
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: able to come back with a clear decision. Well, I

942
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: guess what it.

943
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 3: Was, uh curtains for Becky.

944
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 2: Guilty of sin. So way to go there. But I

945
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: don't want you to worry, Elizabeth. They do not hang

946
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: her high. Okay, So there's no like state murder in this,

947
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 2: even though her.

948
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 3: Own husband, slash since attorney, was like, you know what, guys,

949
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 3: kill my client if you think she's guilty, just kill

950
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 3: her right here in front of me. Hold the body.

951
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 3: I'll pull down on her boots and then we can

952
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 3: all talk about me and how tragic this is for me.

953
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 2: What a sad boy I am. So instead of dropping

954
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 2: her into the hot seat of the electric chair, the

955
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 2: judge sentences Becky to fourteen years in the state pen.

956
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: Her husband Otis immediately appeals the decision.

957
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 3: She's like, no, no, no, I told you kill her.

958
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: The appellate trial is heard by the Texas Court of

959
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: Criminal Appeals in Austin, like the state capitol, so far

960
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 2: more than a member of the defense team, her husband

961
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 2: now becomes her lawyer. Oh gets rid of the other

962
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: ones like I can do it. It's all my own.

963
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: You guys help me.

964
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 3: Bast like entertainers have a spouse as a manager. It's

965
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 3: not a good.

966
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 2: Idea, he alone argues before the state appeals court. He

967
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 2: attacks the legal grounds on which his wife's convictions rest

968
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 2: and the legal argument that was leveraged by the DA.

969
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: Her husband's defense this time is stellar. He claims his

970
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: wife is insane. Well, he leans into this suspicions that

971
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: all these modern young women, these crazed flapper girls, and Elizabeth.

972
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 2: It works beautifully. The appeals court overturns the previous ruling,

973
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: but the couple there still aren't done with their legal fight,

974
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: because remember, she's got arson charges too. So Becky is

975
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: retried on the previous charges of armed robbery that she

976
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 2: has right. So, in May of twenty nine, Becky stands

977
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: trial in Lagrange, Texas for the armed robbery that went

978
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: down in Buddha. Now, before her new trial gets going,

979
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 2: the judge opts to stop the trial.

980
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 3: Why because she crazy?

981
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 2: Great question, Elizabeth, Yeah, I know. The judge says, it

982
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: would now be impossible for her to get an unbiased

983
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 2: jury in Fayette County because she's already been tried there

984
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 2: everyone knows about her. I know you guys have all

985
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 2: been reading the newspapers. So he moves a trial to

986
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 2: New Bronfels in Comal County or Comyle County. In September

987
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty nine, aged twenty four, Becky sits for her

988
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: third trial for armed robbery twenty four years Yeah. This time,

989
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 2: her twenty seven year old husband, Otis Rodgers becomes her

990
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 2: lead defense lawyer again. For his team, he brings along

991
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 2: two of his law school classmates.

992
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 3: Couple buddies.

993
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. The press has a field day with this. The

994
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: counselors are dubbed the quote youngest ever defense team to

995
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: quote try a capitol case in Texas, like these crazy kids, right.

996
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: The main legal argument for the youngest ever defense team

997
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: to try a capitol case in Texas is the same

998
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 2: as before. They argue that their client is insane. Yeah,

999
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 2: at least at the time of the robbery. Still national

1000
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 2: news sensation years into this at this point, Yeah, sure,

1001
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 2: the Flapper bandit is selling papers from sea to shine

1002
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: and sea across the Nited States. Right when the trial

1003
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: reaches its conclusion in late September twenty nine, the case

1004
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 2: of the Flapper bandit confounds the jury of her peers,

1005
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: as the Carbondale Free Press in Carbondale, Illinois reports on

1006
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 2: its front page failed to convict flapper, bank robber or insane.

1007
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: The Asheville Citizen Times in Asheville, North Carolina keeps it

1008
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 2: more sucsync with their front page headline. It reads flapper

1009
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 2: bandit victor and fourth court trial. In these places, although

1010
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: the prosecutor had argued that quote insanity is a disease

1011
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: that criminals get when they are caught, the jurors see

1012
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 2: it differently. Her husband's legal wranglings in the insanity defense

1013
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 2: that he tries, it works, it frees his wife. Yeah,

1014
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: otis Rogers very keenly uses expert opinions of three psychologists

1015
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 2: to like leverage all the biases and stereotypes of the day.

1016
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 2: He basically uses sexism to paint his wife as a crazy,

1017
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 2: young modern woman. The defense works brilliantly. Even the judge

1018
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 2: falls victim to it. He says that Becky Rodgers is

1019
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: quote too attractive to be a bank robber. As he

1020
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 2: put it, quote, she was so pretty that there is

1021
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 2: no way she could be a criminal.

1022
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 3: Well, right there, I mean that's how you tell good air.

1023
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like you look at the criminal. You're like,

1024
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: is she hot? Definitely not a criminal, can't be a criminal.

1025
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: Must have quit. So in the end, must have quit,

1026
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: thank you. So they convinced not of the twelve jurors

1027
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 2: that Becky Rodgers is indeed legally insane, at least temporarily,

1028
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 2: because they don't put her in the state hospital. They're

1029
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 2: just like, it was a moment, she just got a

1030
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 2: little crazy. Then flappers to go, lord, remember look at it.

1031
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: She wears the homemade dresses. She can't be all crazy.

1032
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 2: So they vote to a quote on criminal charges. The

1033
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 2: remaining three jurors they wanted a guilty verdict. They're like, no,

1034
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 2: she's a high guilty. Nope. So the trial concludes, hung

1035
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 2: Jerry again. Flapper Bandit gets off All in all, Becky

1036
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 2: Bradley Rodgers. She's now faced four trials for bank robbery

1037
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: and for arson and collectively beats them all. The local

1038
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 2: journalists and court watchers put forward their theories of what

1039
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 2: went wrong? How come we couldn't like bust the Flapper Bandit.

1040
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1041
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 2: They opine about how modern times are radically changing what

1042
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 2: is considered reasonable and what is considered insane nic and

1043
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 2: it's making it difficult to see her cure a guilty

1044
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 2: verdict against the Flapper band is.

1045
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 3: It's so difficult.

1046
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 2: So there's editor of the local new Bronfells Herald newspaper.

1047
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: He writes the quote, there seems to be a very

1048
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 2: wide bread sentiment that failure and four attempts to convict

1049
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: probably means the conviction can never be secured. This newspaper

1050
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 2: editor also suggests a quote, it would seem that justice

1051
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 2: tempered with mercy matt will apply here. So they basically

1052
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 2: are like, once again, if she's fit, we got so. Basically,

1053
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: he determines that the jurors are going to keep taking

1054
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 2: pity on the Flapper Bandit for being a misguided modern

1055
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: young woman, or they'll be persuaded by the innocence of

1056
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 2: her beauty. And either way they're like, no electric chair

1057
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 2: for her.

1058
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, save becks exactly.

1059
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 2: So eventually the two Texas counties they concede defeat. In

1060
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 2: September twenty nine, Williamson County ends their prosecution. They're like,

1061
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 2: we're not going to another trial. The next month, the

1062
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 2: stock market falls and the Great Depression begins. So the

1063
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 2: era of the Flapper Girl comes to a swift and

1064
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 2: sudden end. Sure news stories. They move on. Texas Justice, however,

1065
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 2: does not because it takes the folks down in Hayes

1066
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 2: County longer to get over the whole armed bank robbery.

1067
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 2: Four years later, in nineteen thirty three, they're like, okay, fine,

1068
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 2: we will not come up with another case, so they

1069
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: let her go on the armed robbery charges. So now

1070
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 2: Rebecca Bradley Rodgers, aka the Flapper Bandit, walks free on

1071
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: all charges. The very next day she joins the ranks

1072
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 2: of motherhood. Becky gives birth to her first child with

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Speaker 2: her courtroom badass of a husband, Otis Rogers. Yeah, they

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00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 2: greet a baby girl into the world, which becomes the

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00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 2: first of their three children. As their family grows larger

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00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 2: and larger, the Flapper Bandit puts her rough and rowdy

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00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 2: ways behind her. She settles down, gets to work for

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00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 2: her husband in his office as his legal secretary. Meanwhile,

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00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 2: his reputation in textsll legal circles begins to grow and grow.

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Speaker 2: Otis Rodgers becomes known as the little giant who quote

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00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 2: always got in the last word. Oh yeah, people liked

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00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 2: him anyway. King Short total short king energy, the flapper

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Speaker 2: bandit and her little short king of a lawyer husband.

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00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 2: They remain happily married until the time of her death

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00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty. Wow, at the very young age of

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Speaker 2: forty five.

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Speaker 3: Wow, the very next.

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00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 2: Year dies what neither of them makes it to the

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Speaker 2: age of fifty?

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Speaker 3: What happened?

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00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 2: I wish I could give you the answers they just.

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Speaker 3: I wish she could yea.

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Speaker 2: For a few years back in the Roaring twenties, this

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00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: pair were a viral national sensation, and together they kind

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00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 2: of embodied the dizzying spirit of this radical decade. As

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00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 2: the Flapper Bandit Becky Rodgers, basically she challenges what America

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Speaker 2: expected from its young women. She stokes the flames of

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Speaker 2: moral panic, and then she settles down and becomes a

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Speaker 2: dutiful wife and mother and her husband's secretary. Right.

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Speaker 3: I thought for sure that she'd get off and then

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00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 3: like they would have her on like stage shows, going

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Speaker 3: around touring.

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00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, She's like, but I suppose if.

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Speaker 3: When the economy tanks, those things aren't.

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Speaker 2: So Once the depression hit, all these stories of the

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00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 2: twenties are just dead on arrival, right, So they basically

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00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 2: discovered there was really nothing ever to worry about with

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00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 2: the Flapper Band and all the moral panics or for not,

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00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 2: they were just selling newspapers other than, of course, Becky's

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Speaker 2: difficulties with bookkeeping, which does the pair Merrit hadn't mentioned,

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Speaker 2: But there you go. So what's a ridiculous takeaway here?

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. You know we talk about planning execution.

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00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 3: What's gonna you know, thinking it through. Becky obviously was

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00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 3: a smart lady. Yeah, uh not street smart, crime smart. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I'm also really fascinated as to why they both

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Speaker 3: passed away so young.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it was a little bit like I didn't

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Speaker 2: want to dwell on their deaths. Yeah, sorry, I can't

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Speaker 2: provide you with answers. Maybe check out newspapers dot com.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm going to look her up dig around

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00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 3: an ancestry. Yeah, that's your ridiculous takeaway.

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Speaker 2: Mine is like I wish people would realize that moral

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Speaker 2: panics are always about the moment and it's just a

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Speaker 2: paper thin thing and do not fall like I know that,

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Speaker 2: Like you have to respond when people are saying like

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Speaker 2: these people need to be thrown in the ocean or

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00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 2: whatever they're saying in the moral panic. Sure, but just

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Speaker 2: know that this too will pass. Yeah, you know, because

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00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 2: it's really not attached to anything, and as soon as

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Speaker 2: the world changes, they're on to a new thing exactly,

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Speaker 2: and then they're worried about like what's going on in

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Speaker 2: Europe or right? So you ready to wash this all

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