1 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: What's going on, y'all? This is another episode of the 2 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: Beatdown Podcast Looks five edition. I am your host Commanders 3 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: Senior writers Zach Selby, and the Commanders are coming out 4 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: their second road loss of the year at the hands 5 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: of the Atlanta Falcons thirty four to twenty seven. Tough matchup. 6 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: You could see a lot of the self inflicted errors 7 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: come in to play there. For the Commanders, they've never 8 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: seen that. They were quite out of it. They fought hard, 9 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: but at the end, when you have players like Drake London, 10 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: you have players like Kyle Fits and Vajon Robinson putting 11 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: up a combined through in three hundred and sixty one 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:47,959 Speaker 1: totally ours and three touchdowns, it's gonna be a tough 13 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: day and you can't have any sort of mistakes. But 14 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened. And now they have to lick 15 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: their wounds to come back and go cross country to 16 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Chargers, who are suffering their first loss 17 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: of the season to the New York Giants, and it's 18 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: gonna be a tough match up there. They have a 19 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: top ten offense, top five defense, and it's gonna be 20 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: a challenge for this team that is getting some getting 21 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: hopefully get some players back. But we shall see as 22 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: the week goes on, and how are they going to 23 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: do that? How are they gonna get to three and 24 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: two on the year. Well, that is what we're going 25 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,559 Speaker 1: to be talking about today. And with us we have 26 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: Scott Jackson. You can listen to him on Espen Radio 27 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: and the Big one hundred. Scott, how you doing? 28 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: Very good? 29 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: All right? And we also have Michael Jenkins. You can 30 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: hear him with my pseudo friend of me slash arch 31 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: Fred smoot On. Get loud for the Commanders, Jenks, how 32 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: you doing man? 33 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 3: I'm good man. Great to be with you guys. 34 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: All right, So everyone listening, they all know the deal. 35 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: By now. I'll be asking these guys three questions offense, defense, 36 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: more reginal question previewing this matchup against the Chargers. There 37 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: will be points giving out at the end of each round, 38 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: and as my burden as the host, I shall be 39 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: proclaiming a winner. But as I always say, you should 40 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: be more focused on what these two experts have to 41 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: say on the game. Let's jump right into it, and 42 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: I think we have to start, guys with the explosive 43 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: plays that were allowed by this team, and you could 44 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 1: see a lot of it, whether it was the John 45 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: Robinson sixty nine yard catching run that was or some 46 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: of these forty three yarders about that and Drake London 47 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: had and that's just simply not a formula for success. 48 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: And DQ talked about it is Monday press conference. They 49 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: definitely knew you need to fix it and get that 50 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: get that fix quickly. But what I want to learn 51 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: from you guys is what do you guys think the 52 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: remedy for this is, because as they said, like this, 53 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: this cannot continue if they're going to help going to 54 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: have the season that they want to have. So Scott, 55 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: we shall start with you. 56 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 2: Well, I mean it would be great if we've heard 57 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: a lot about communication. We've also heard a lot about 58 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 2: you know, I discipline and these type of things, and 59 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: uh press conferences pass leading up to these games for 60 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 2: some issues in the back end, and they've had them 61 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: really in every game they've had them, maybe outside of 62 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: the Giants game. You know, they've given up a big 63 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 2: play or a bunch and I think, to me, I 64 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: always kind of to fall back to in this in 65 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 2: this case, this Atlanta game in particular, I just thought 66 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 2: there wasn't enough pass rush, and I don't think this 67 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 2: is probably the worst game for the pass rush they 68 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: had in a lot of ways. I just, you know, 69 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 2: I getting home on Penix, a guy who was coming 70 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: off his worst game, I just thought there was there 71 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: was a way to disrupt him and to kind of, 72 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: you know, knock him down early and try to get 73 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 2: into his head a little bit. I don't think they 74 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: ever really did that in this game consistently. So for me, 75 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 2: I think this pass rush has got to got to 76 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 2: get a lot better. It was a concern certainly coming 77 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: into the season. They made some decisions obviously in the 78 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: offseason about shoring up a run defense. I think in 79 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 2: some ways they've shown that they've done that. I mean, 80 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: this was obviously their biggest struggle against a run against 81 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: Bijean and Algier, which are two of the better combinations 82 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: in the NFL. But I just you know, we got 83 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: to see pass rush more consistently. Armstrong has been great 84 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 2: this year. This was probably his least impactful game by 85 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: a lot, and you know, is it just can't just 86 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: be him though, It's got to be a lot of 87 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: other guys. And if they're not going to able to 88 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: get home with the four, they're going to have to 89 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 2: start blitzing more it center pressure. So to me, I 90 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: think turning up the pressure is the way to help 91 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: the guys in the back end right now, because clearly 92 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 2: you can't expect them, you know, just to hold it 93 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 2: down back there, because they've shown at this point the 94 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: season that there's some vulnerabilities. 95 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: And Deek you we even mentioned that he wishes that 96 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: there could have been some more some more stunts, a 97 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: little bit more simulated pressure to get that going, and 98 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: I would definitely agree with that. I think I think 99 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: there was especially against an offensive line that was performing 100 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: as one of the one of the better groups in 101 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: the league. Hasn't really allowed a lot of sacks on 102 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: Michael Pennik's at all so far this year. But James 103 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: will switch over to you in the same question, like 104 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: what do you think the remedy is here? Is it 105 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: something as simple as in the shifting and the person 106 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: nail in the back end or is it just as 107 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 1: Scott said, getting more of out of the path rush. 108 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 4: I think Scott hit the nail on the head here 109 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 4: and there are a few things to it. Now when 110 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 4: you look at the Falcons offensive line. You don't know 111 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 4: necessarily think of Atlanta having this release stout offensive front, 112 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 4: but they do. I mean, they're one of the better, 113 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 4: if not one of the best groups in the League's 114 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 4: certainly a top ten group. And if you look at 115 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 4: the week before against Carolina, Michael Pennick struggled. 116 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: Why because the Panthers got pressure on him. 117 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 4: And certainly, when you have the weapons that he has 118 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 4: at his disposal and some of the best individual weapons 119 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 4: in the league, if you give him the time that 120 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 4: they gave him on Sunday, then he's going to make 121 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 4: you pay. 122 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 3: That's what happened. 123 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 4: I think there could be some adjustments in the scheme 124 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 4: that do need to be made. I'll leave that up 125 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 4: to the experts. But certainly when you see like John 126 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 4: Robinson out in the flat against Bobby Wagner. Now Bobby 127 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 4: was late there, but even at Bobby's peak, like that's 128 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 4: just a mismatch, right, So something needs to be done 129 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 4: where you don't have a linebacker, a middle linebacker on 130 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 4: one of the most dynamic players in the league. I 131 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 4: think the Commanders missed a guy like Will Harris as well. 132 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 4: I think his presence, you know, on the sidelines as 133 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 4: opposed to in the game has really hurt this team. 134 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 4: I don't think we realized how much of an effect 135 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 4: he was going to have on this defense in a 136 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 4: positive way. And frankly, communication is going to be right 137 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 4: there near the top. These guys are just not necessarily 138 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 4: in the right spots during those explosive plays because they're 139 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 4: either getting beat men up or they're just not where 140 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 4: they should be. And when you have new players in 141 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 4: it's exciting. It makes you better as a team, there's 142 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 4: no question about that. But it also takes time for 143 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 4: you to learn each other's habits and to communicate and 144 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 4: sometimes over communicate. You know, we were talking about that 145 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 4: on the pod this week. If you have to over 146 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 4: communicate and call out a few different players or possibilities 147 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 4: just to make sure everyone is on the same page, 148 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 4: you do it. And maybe that's something that emphasize this week. 149 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 4: I think it's multifaceted, but like Scott says, it starts. 150 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 3: Up front again. 151 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: I had one thing too. You know you're talking about personnel. 152 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 2: I mean there's not a lot of options, right, I mean, 153 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 2: you got people out. Jonathan Jones is out, obviously, Mit 154 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: Jenks just mentioned Will Harrison injury is a big deal. 155 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: So I mean, you know, we get a lot of 156 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: this in the post game taking calls and it's like, well, 157 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 2: bench this guy, bench that kind of like, well who. 158 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: You putting in? 159 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 2: I mean, you're option right now, You're not. And this 160 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: isn't the time of year to go out and find 161 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 2: those people. So you got to kind of dance with 162 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 2: who you brought at this point and to you know, 163 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 2: to all of our points, it's pass rush and it's 164 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 2: obviously going to be better communication. And they got to 165 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 2: hurry that up because you know, every week it continues 166 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: to get harder with some of these quarterbacks are going 167 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 2: to face. 168 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: So I also want to bring up the idea of 169 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: how motion has really affected this defense, because it looks 170 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: like it's done quite a bit, right I think I 171 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: think I saw from esp and John Kaye this morning 172 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: that they were allowing like five hundred and fifteen yards 173 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: whenever a team uses motion. So I'm curious Scott for you, 174 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: like what do you like, what what do you think 175 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: is cosnal confusion for them when they whenever teams use motion? 176 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: And and again like is it just a matter of 177 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: like keep making sure linebackers don't don't get on players 178 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: like Robinson or anything like that. I mean, what do 179 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: you think that is the cause of that? How do 180 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: you how do you remedy that? 181 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: Well? I mean, I'm obviously not a defensive coordinator. I 182 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: was thinking again to go back to what we're talking 183 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 2: about communication and guys having or know what to do 184 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 2: with it. I'm sure they go over this in practice. 185 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: I mean, this idea that they didn't think that this 186 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: was a problem. This is kind of funny after especially 187 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: after the Green Bay game. Clearly they know it. They've 188 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 2: you know, they've talked about it, they filmed that, they 189 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 2: filmed study it. So again, you just you know, in 190 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: real time, these guys have to remember the keys and 191 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: what they're supposed to do there and execute. I mean, 192 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: that's really what it boils down to, because again we 193 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: saw it in week two, Yes, Atlanta, you know, or 194 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 2: excuse me, with Green Bay they exploited and Atlanta did 195 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 2: some of the same stuff with Zach Robinson's offense this week, 196 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 2: and you know, maybe the Chargers will do the same 197 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: as well. Lab McConkey is going to be an interesting 198 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 2: match up here in this game. But yeah, I mean, 199 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: I just think again, it's it's guys have to take 200 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: what they've been been taught and bring it to the field. 201 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: If it's something that they don't think is working, you know, 202 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 2: maybe this is again we were talking about this in 203 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: the post game was smooth. 204 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 3: You know. 205 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 2: Sometimes this is where the DB's they got to speak up, 206 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,719 Speaker 2: you know, and the linebackers say, hey, coach, we think 207 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 2: this might you know, what are we what about this? 208 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: And you know, have a back and forth. And I 209 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: think Joe Wits the type of guy and the staffs 210 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: the type of people that would be willing to listen 211 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 2: to that or they think it was going to. 212 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: Help the team. Yeah, no, I agree. And what has 213 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: talked about this quite a bit of the last couple 214 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: of years that whenever something is wrong with the defense, 215 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: he points the finger at himselves as okay, so the 216 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: cluison little what's wrong with the way I'm teaching it? 217 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: And then we need to fix up whatever that is 218 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: and how they're able to communicate it. And one last 219 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 1: thing on the pass rush jinks. I mean we've mentioned Dorants, 220 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: Armstrong and all that stuff, but like we also also 221 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: know Ditrich wise out for the year. Devonte Jean Baptiste 222 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: gonna be out for at least a while with that 223 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,599 Speaker 1: torn peck. As you said on Monday, I mean, what 224 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: what is the what do you who you think needs 225 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: to step up with in that regard to get more 226 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: pressure out of out of that group, because having two 227 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 1: of your two of your defensive ends out this Roland 228 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: season is really tough. 229 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, it is, and I think you know you have 230 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 4: to Unfortunately, you have to put even more of the 231 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 4: load on Dorant's armstrong and what he said, which has 232 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 4: been phenomenal, right, Like he's been one of the better stories, 233 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 4: not just for this team but in the entire NFL. 234 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 4: I don't think you can necessarily rely on a guy 235 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 4: like von Miller, Like he'll pop up in spots right 236 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 4: in big moments, but you know, he's sort of passed 237 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 4: the point where maybe he's going to be a consistent 238 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 4: rusher off the edge. I think, unfortunately you kind of 239 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 4: have to rely on the guys and maybe you have 240 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 4: to mix and match up front with you know, whether 241 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 4: it's stunts, whether it's showing different looks and trying to 242 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 4: confuse the quarterback or trying to forse the offense into 243 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 4: a different play. But you know, what has been a 244 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 4: real strength or what was the strength going into the 245 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 4: season has now become not necessarily weakness. But there's not 246 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 4: the depth there that we expected to be there. So 247 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 4: I think that comes down to again, you have to 248 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 4: scheme certain plays on defense to try to confuse the 249 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 4: offense and you know, generate more rush that maybe you 250 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 4: can't get naturally. 251 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't think anybody you know, obviously, injuries, 252 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: as they're saying, goes one hundred percent in the league 253 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: for injuries on players in the NFL. But it's hard 254 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: when you have this much at this point in the year, 255 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to get creative at some point 256 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: to mitigate those those losses. And I'm very curious to 257 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: see what they do for the rest of the year. 258 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: I'll give you, guys, both points for that round. Both 259 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 1: points are really good made on the dems of one. 260 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: On the thank you, You're welcome. You know no what 261 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: says thank you, so I appreciate it, thank you, I'm glad, 262 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:51,719 Speaker 1: I'm glad we can we can have that sort of 263 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: a back and forth there. Okay, on to the next 264 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: question here, and we'll till we talk about injuries and 265 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: we have guys like care floren No Brown who their 266 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: injuries are. We heard the training in the right direction, 267 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 1: but we don't know exactly where they're at right now. 268 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: It seems like they're gonna be back at some point. 269 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: But until then, we've guys like God, guys like Luke McCaffrey, 270 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: got guys like Chris Moore having a step up. I mean, 271 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: I guess like it's well, you obviously you want your 272 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: best players out there and everything, but you're gonna have 273 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: to find ways for those guys to step up. And 274 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: Janks will start with you here. I mean, how do 275 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: they how do they get more production out of this 276 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: out of the limited. 277 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 4: Options they have ever sin, I think two things and 278 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 4: number one is and it's a good thing that we 279 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 4: saw last week, right Like it pretends well for the future, 280 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 4: which is the development of Luke McCaffrey being on special teams, 281 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 4: you know, getting that touchdown and so we've seen him 282 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 4: over the past couple of games and really on special teams, 283 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 4: but now you know, maybe starting to show what he 284 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 4: can do at receiver. If he steps up, that's gonna 285 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 4: be huge for this team and they need him. You know. 286 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 4: If I'm Cliff Kingsbury. If I'm d Q, you know, 287 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 4: I sit with Luke and I'm like, listen, it's your time. 288 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 4: You're gonna get plenty of time. We need you here. 289 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 4: It's next man up, and it's your time. So he 290 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 4: needs to be the productive guy that they draft when 291 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 4: he was coming out of Rise in It. And then secondly, 292 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 4: I think this is where Cliff has to really get 293 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 4: in his bag, right, Like he has to do things 294 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 4: and be really creative, and you don't want to overdo 295 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 4: it and get gimmicky. But it's like we saw in 296 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 4: that two point conversion, right, we saw that beautifully designed 297 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 4: play where Marcus Molighty looked like he was going to 298 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 4: run off maybe a read option and then he tosses 299 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 4: it to Zach Ertz for the two point conversion. 300 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 3: Beautiful play. 301 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 4: Now, certainly that's when everything works out perfectly, but if 302 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 4: your Cliff and you have limited options, that's when you 303 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 4: have to find ways to get guys open, and maybe 304 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 4: you use that running back by committee and use some 305 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 4: of those guys out of the backfield, because certainly, you 306 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 4: know Bill is a guy who can catch passes. 307 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 3: We've seen other guys in the backfield do that. As well. 308 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 3: But it really is about this is. 309 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 4: When if you're an offensive coordinator, you have to make 310 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 4: your money now. 311 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, for for sure. And I do think that you've 312 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: seen a lot of really interesting plays out of Cliff, 313 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: whether it's you know, starting the game off with the 314 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: Jets for deep to Deebo Sandle against the Falcons, are 315 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: getting even just Deebo in general more involved. Scott over 316 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: you to the same question here, and like I say, like, 317 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: how do how do you kind of take some of 318 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: the pressure off of these guys? And it is, as 319 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: jin said, just kind of maybe like adding a little 320 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: bit more of the run game to get more creative. 321 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: Like what do you think about that? 322 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they need to lean into running the 323 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 2: ball more. And you know, Jenkins hit it a little 324 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 2: bit there too, and I agree with that, and even 325 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 2: using these guys in the passing game, but like krossky Merritt, 326 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 2: you know, seven carries and you know, I know they 327 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 2: tell you, well, if he's out there, it's an obvious 328 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: teller running the ball because he's not great in pass 329 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 2: pro and he's not the receiver and all this stuff. 330 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: And he did get blown up on one pass pro, 331 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 2: but all I know is he doesn't take negative runs, right. 332 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 2: I mean, he is great visiting, he gets that little 333 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 2: hop thing he does, he doesn't take negative runs. I 334 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 2: just think they need to be stubborn sometimes. I kind 335 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 2: of hear it in dan Quinn's voice after these games 336 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: that I think he feels like they need to really 337 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 2: lean into the run a little bit more. You know. 338 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 2: I had pretty good balance, you know, and a lot 339 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 2: of that is late. You know, you got to throw 340 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 2: because you're behind and all that stuff. But I just 341 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 2: thought early when they were when they were getting themselves 342 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 2: in trouble, they were being too cute with the passing game. 343 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 2: I wanted to see Mario to keep it more. I 344 00:13:58,120 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 2: mean he didn't really do that. He had the one 345 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 2: scram but there was really no keepers. And maybe that's 346 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 2: a credit to Atlanta. Maybe they maybe they set the 347 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 2: edge really well and took it away unlike the Raiders. 348 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 2: I don't know. But you know, whoever the quarterback is 349 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: this week, you have to make this defense of the 350 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 2: Chargers defend eleven. They're not a good rush defense. I 351 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 2: think they're middle of the pack in the league. You 352 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 2: can run on them, and I think the Commanders need 353 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 2: to lean into that because that will that will change everything. 354 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 2: You got to bring it extra, go on the box. 355 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: Then you'll get the shots downfield to Jalen Lane. You 356 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 2: won't have a safety helping over the top like you did. 357 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: Although I think if there's good ball placement there, maybe 358 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 2: Lane gets six or at least as a shot and 359 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 2: getting the ball and anyway, look, I think they've gotten 360 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 2: a ton out of debut. I think they've used debot 361 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 2: very well. I'm encouraged by McCaffrey the last couple of weekends. 362 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 2: You know, Lane will come along. He's a talented kid. 363 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: I'm not worried about him. And then obviously when you 364 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 2: get seventeen back, everybody looks better. But I mean, whoever 365 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 2: the quarterback is. I really think they got to get 366 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 2: back to really the RPOs and leaning into that and 367 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 2: the quarterback being a live runner and and then I 368 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 2: know will scare people of Jayden's back because he's coming 369 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: off an injury, but if he can't do that, then 370 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 2: he shouldn't play right and then you should keep Mariot 371 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 2: on the field if you're worried about injury at that point. 372 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 2: So I just think they need to get back to 373 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 2: doing that. This at the heart of this team, even 374 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 2: though he's, you know, Cliff Kingsbury, the air raid offense, 375 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 2: it's been the ground and pound team, let's be honest. 376 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 2: I mean they've they've been a great running team, but 377 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 2: they're number two in the NFL and rushing lean into 378 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 2: that more. I mean, that's what they've got to do, 379 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 2: and that's what they're built to do in terms of 380 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: the offensive line right now as well. 381 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and to that point, they are second in the 382 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: league and average directing arts per game. I think they're 383 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: first in the league in yards per tentph. They're seventeenth 384 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: in total attempts right now, which is right. Yeah, to 385 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: the point that they you would want to see them more. 386 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: And I mentioned this even in like in a mailbag 387 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: question I answered earlier today, and it's it's always kind 388 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: of cyclical, right like whether you want to get how 389 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: you want to get the run game going, because you 390 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: see some of some of the things they do to 391 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: kind of stay on the field. But right now, I 392 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: think they're twenty third in average plays per game, and 393 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: they were I think they were like thirteenth at this 394 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: point last year. And a lot of it comes because 395 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: they're they're running into like these so inflicted errors like 396 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: whether it's a false start from Vicker if they turned 397 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: the third and two into a third and seven, or 398 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: the intentional grounding call for Marioto. With these smaller things 399 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: seem to kind of disrupt the flow a little bit 400 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: and it seems like it's a little bit more disjointed. 401 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: And maybe maybe leaning into the ring game is going 402 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: to be able to help that because it's a lot simpler. 403 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: But Jenks, what do you think about that? Is like, 404 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: you know, how do you fix these self inflicted errors 405 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: and help the flow because in order to get the 406 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: ring and going, they do need to stay on the 407 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: field more often, right. 408 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, they do. 409 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 4: And I don't know if it means maybe a change 410 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 4: to the offensive line, which they've already tinkered a little 411 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 4: bit obviously with Chris Paul and bringing him in on 412 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 4: the weft side and then trying to help out Josh 413 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 4: Connolly Junior and sitting Brandon Coleman. 414 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 3: Maybe you bring back Brandon Coleman. 415 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 4: I know he's been a healthy scratch, but certainly he 416 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 4: has the talent that's why they drafted him. 417 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 3: Maybe that helps, And. 418 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 4: Also I think too, the only thing that worris me 419 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 4: about that is that you know, when you're constantly, you know, 420 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 4: substituting guys. 421 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 3: Offensive line p is is definitely about cohesion. 422 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 4: Right, these guys knowing one another, knowing how to play 423 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 4: off one another, communicating, which has been an issue in the. 424 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 3: Secondary as well. 425 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 4: But maybe they can find something there because it certainly 426 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 4: worked against the Raiders. I just think that you want 427 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 4: to build that chemistry and you want to put in 428 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 4: your best guys, but you want to you don't want 429 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 4: to do it too much where it sort of disrupts 430 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 4: the flow that you have going because sometimes you can 431 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 4: have these panic reactions where if you'll just give it 432 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 4: a game or two. And I think Deq you talked 433 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 4: about that once you have a better sample size, then 434 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:27,479 Speaker 4: you know who's working and who's not. 435 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 3: But I think potentially that's something that could look at. 436 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so for sure. And you know, Scott 437 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: will move on. We'll move on to you real quick 438 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: before we go on to the last question here. And 439 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: I think you mentioned Jalen Lane and because we haven't 440 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: really taught of any of the other Debt players, the receiver, 441 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: I'm just curious, like what you've thought of him. So far, 442 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: and like well, because I know they say a perfect role, 443 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: he would be more of a slot receiver, but what 444 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: what what do you think about his possible usage more 445 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 1: and do you think that's going to be helped alleviate 446 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: some of these other guys like Luke and Chris and 447 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: some of the players that maybe aren't experienced, but we 448 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: would have to play more. 449 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 2: Well, Like he's explosive. I saw a lot of them 450 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 2: in college. I know that, and and certainly we saw 451 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 2: it with his punt return a few weeks ago against 452 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 2: the h Raiders. Love the way returns punts. I mean, 453 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 2: he's always going forward. I mean, be Mitch has talked 454 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 2: about this so much over the years about you know, 455 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 2: getting north, you know, getting north on the returns, and 456 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 2: you know, guys that are East West Runners end up 457 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 2: getting themselves in trouble. But he's very decisive, he sees 458 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 2: it quickly. In terms of receiver. I mean, it's been 459 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: a mixed bag so far. Obviously he dropped the touchdown 460 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 2: against the Raiders, probably should have had that. You know, 461 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 2: he hasn't really got as many touches or any any targets. 462 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 2: But I think over time, you know, he'll be fine, 463 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 2: you know, and certainly probably a little challenging for a 464 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 2: rookie when you know, you repped a lot with with 465 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 2: Jaden this offseason and then obviously, you know, two games in, 466 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 2: he's out, and then it's Mariota, who maybe you haven't 467 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 2: repped as much with, and then so it's kind of 468 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 2: a you know, you're going back and forth a little bit, 469 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 2: but you know, it's the life of a rookie in 470 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 2: the NFL. But I do think he has a a 471 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 2: you know, break and open type of skill set, you know, 472 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 2: similar to Diami Brown, maybe a little bit like Oz 473 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 2: that with which they're lacking this year. But but I 474 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 2: think he has got a better overall package coming into 475 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 2: the league than those guys had, So that that's what 476 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 2: excites me about him, and I think he's gonna be fine. 477 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: The coaches that I think is definitely intrigued by him, 478 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: and even I mean, you've got guys like Terry who 479 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: spoke like at the end of training camp he thinks 480 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: he said, look, well he can really help us, not 481 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: to the inside but on the outside as well, because 482 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: I think he got the talent to do it. It's 483 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: just a matter of getting the reps we'll move on 484 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: to the last question here. I'll give both of you 485 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: guys a point again even matchup heading into the final round. 486 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: So thank you this time. Okay, that's fine. 487 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Zach. We really appreciated Jack. 488 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: Let's not lay out on too thick, all right, I 489 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: get it. But you know, when I look at this 490 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: question here, at this flash quarter, I think I was like, 491 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: you know, maybe this is a little too black and white, 492 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: maybe too simplified, But I do think with all these 493 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: things going on with the Chargers, I think there it 494 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: is worth asking here, just keep it simple here, what 495 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: do you think is the biggest key for them to 496 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: get back on track and stop stop this roller coaster 497 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: they've been on for the last four weeks about you know, Okay, 498 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: they're playing well, then they've got the mirrors, they're playing well, 499 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,679 Speaker 1: then they've got you know, these other issues again, So 500 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 1: how do they kind of get back on smooth sailing? Here? 501 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: And Scott will start with you, Well. 502 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 2: It'd be great if you got off to a fast start, right. 503 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 2: I don't think outside of the first you know, the 504 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 2: first game in some degree in the Raiders game too, 505 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: you know, even though early on the Raiders. You know, 506 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 2: we're hanging around. It's playing from with a lead. I mean, 507 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 2: that was the script that was so good for them 508 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,959 Speaker 2: in a lot of games last year, was dictating kind 509 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 2: of the terms of the fight. You know, they're going 510 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 2: to be better. The defense could be better. When you're ahead, 511 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 2: you need to build tee off. You know, the Chargers 512 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 2: are probably gonna pass it a lot anyway with Herbert, 513 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 2: even though they've got major protection issues, you know, with 514 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 2: all these injuries they're dealing with. Although all Marion Amton, 515 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 2: that rookie looks really good for them. But I'd say, look, 516 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 2: get off to a fast start. And it's easier said 517 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 2: than done, clearly. But but you know, three and out 518 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 2: like this week, you know, Atlanta takes the ball, they 519 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 2: have to settle for field goal, but then the Commanders 520 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 2: go three and out. Then the Falcons catching with a 521 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 2: touchdown that fount. Know the Cammanders had a night second 522 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 2: drive obviously to get it in the end zone. But 523 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 2: you know, I'd just like to see this team get 524 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 2: off the fast start, especially on the road. You know, 525 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: it's a California crownd. It ain't gonna be great anyway, 526 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 2: Probably gonna be a lot of burginny of gold out there, 527 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 2: get them fired up, kind of like the Atlanta. You 528 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 2: saw that Atlanta too, So I just think fast start 529 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 2: is key on both sides of the ball this week. 530 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 2: And if they could do that and kind of play 531 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 2: with the lead and you know, kind of get the 532 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 2: Chargers a little uncomfortable, I think that would make life 533 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 2: blood easier for not only the defense, but also for 534 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 2: the offense as well. 535 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: In the last four games they have started a game 536 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 1: with a punt. That's just not not indicative of what 537 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: this team was last year. And obviously things they'll translate 538 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: always year to year, but it is a start difference 539 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: from from what a fast paced, go down the field 540 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: unit that we saw last year. So Jenks same question 541 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: going over you, what's one thing they need to do 542 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: to get back on track against the Chargers. 543 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 3: They have to pressure Justin Herbert. They just absolutely have to. 544 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 3: And that's how the Giants went last week, right. 545 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 4: I know it's easy to focus on this top down analysis, 546 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 4: which I do time, which is are like, hey, Jackson 547 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 4: Dart looked really good. But now you know, even without 548 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 4: Malik Neighbors had the Giants win that game, it's because 549 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 4: their defense kept putting the Giants offense on short fields 550 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 4: because the Chargers. 551 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:12,719 Speaker 3: Just could not move the ball. 552 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 4: And there's that one play where or not just a 553 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 4: field sorry Justin Herbert, and Justin Herbert drops back, he 554 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,479 Speaker 4: tries to pull the ball sexy dex. He gives up, 555 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 4: you know, knocks it away, then catches it, brings it back. 556 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 3: Like they just couldn't get any. 557 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 4: Sort of thing going on the offensive side because the 558 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 4: Giants just kept bringing the pressure. And we saw the 559 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 4: Commanders do that against the Raiders right like they were 560 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 4: constantly swallowing up Geno Smith. They were constantly swallowing up 561 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,959 Speaker 4: Ash and Genty And the Chargers are a much better squad. 562 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 4: But now if you look at that offense on the 563 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 4: offensive line, they're really hurting Sean Slater as we know. 564 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 4: I mean, he was out at the beginning of the season. 565 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 4: Now it looks like Joe Alt is going to be 566 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 4: out for maybe the remainder of Bee if not for 567 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 4: a significant part. 568 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 3: So they are weak on the offensive line. 569 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 4: And the one reason why that Justin Herbert has really 570 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 4: elevated his game this season is that the. 571 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 3: Chargers are now more balanced offense. They don't throw as much. 572 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 4: And because they have a running game, then all of 573 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 4: a sudden you can't really focus on Justin Herbert. 574 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 3: And when he does pass, he has time and he 575 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 3: can make you pay. And he's been so good this 576 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 3: season at doing that. 577 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 4: But if you can pressure him and make him uncomfortable 578 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 4: like the Giants did, you can give the Commanders short 579 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 4: fields on offense and prevent the charters from creating those 580 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 4: explosive plays that really haunted this Commander's team, you know, 581 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 4: over the first four weeks. 582 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 3: So I think that's a key. 583 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: So as an aside, sexy dexy and even as the 584 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: cross divisional opponent is unreal great is a great nick. 585 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: You really can't beat it. Both points good bye bye 586 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 1: you guys. Light the fast start stuff because as an 587 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: offsive guy obviously loves score points, love to see them 588 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: fast starts. Justin Herbert, one of the better quarterbacks in 589 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: the league. Got to get him off his spot. Man, 590 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: I think I gotta go with Jenks here on the 591 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: point and the win because you got two offensive starters 592 00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: out on the off of the one. You have to 593 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: take adventite that, especially after getting Michael Pennixtenior down only 594 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,959 Speaker 1: one time for nine yards. And I don't know if 595 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: you'll heard about this guy in Quinton Johnston, but oh 596 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: my god, he's been lighting the league on fire so 597 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: for three and thirty seven yards, and he's he's a problem. 598 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: And I think if we're talking about leaving some of 599 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 1: the pressure and limiting exupposed to plays, getting pressure on 600 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert and stopping that at the point of attack 601 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: is exactly to do it. So jinks, you're taking the 602 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: win here. How do you feel about it? 603 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 4: Ah? 604 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 3: Man, it's just I gotta think so many. I want 605 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 3: to thank you guys. 606 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 4: I mean, it's been it's been amazing Zach the host 607 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 4: and Scott. I mean, my god, the incredible work he's 608 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 4: done in the post game show. I got to thank 609 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 4: my friends and my family here, all the people out 610 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 4: of Watchington Commanders for their support. 611 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 3: It's been. It's been a great run here on the pod. 612 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 2: You know. 613 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 3: Wow. 614 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 2: I just want to say, I'm not gonna thank you anymore, Zach, 615 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 2: because it didn't do any good. So I'm just gonna 616 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 2: keep that out of the yesh. 617 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: Well, we don't give out brownie points here points of 618 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: brown but you held your own either way. You know, 619 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: things I was almost if you admit just me, I 620 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: was gonna pull out the Oscar music. But we're we're 621 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: okay here, We're fine. 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