1 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Good morning, keeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 2 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: there are times when I think to myself, God, there 4 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: must be a bottom, right like there has got like 5 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: we cannot keep drilling down to the Earth's core of fuckery, 6 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: right that with Republicans. At some point we've got to 7 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: hit bottom and begin the slow, dark ascent up from 8 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: the ocean's floor back up to the surface. But no, no, 9 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: every fucking time that I think that we've reached it, 10 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: this is it. We're gonna begin the ascent. It's been dark, 11 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: it's been crazy, it's been scary, it's been violent. But no, no, 12 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: we're going to make the turn and make our way 13 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: to the surface. And then they go ahead and just 14 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: keep fracking, keep drilling, drill, baby, drill, as Sarah Palin 15 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: once said, right, that's what they're doing. They're drilling to 16 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: the core of our values, our beliefs, the truth, just 17 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: drilling through. Because here we are where you have sitting 18 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: members of Congress Republicans in both the House, led by 19 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: their Fisher Prize speaker Kevin McCarthy, and led you guys 20 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:54,919 Speaker 1: know quotations and folks in the Senate talking about Manhattan 21 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: District Attorney Alvin Bragg, and the fact that an indictment 22 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: and for Donald Trump, mind you, is looming not just 23 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: in New York, but with the Department of Justice if 24 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: that ever comes to fucking fruition with Fannie Willis down 25 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 1: in Georgia, if that ever happens, and the GOP doesn't 26 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: remove her from her position before she's able to do that. 27 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: But the fact that you would have Kevin McCarthy go 28 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: on these bullshit conservative talk shows and say that what 29 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg is doing, which by the way, is his 30 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: job to investigate crime, which was taken over by his predecessor. 31 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: And if you've been listening to Woke for quite some time, 32 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: you know that Alvin Bragg has never been my favorite person. 33 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: I think it's laughable when you have people like a 34 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: last Stafonic referring to him as a progressive radical DA 35 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: check his record, That ain't it right? I wish it was. 36 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: But radical progressive, Nah, that ain't that, dude. And I 37 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: went after him when after Scythance left and he came 38 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: into office and the two top prosecutors quit and you 39 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: had the one that wrote a book about Alvin braggbeing like, no, 40 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: there's not enough evidence here, so we're not moving through 41 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 1: with this case on Donald Trump turned around and surprised me, right, 42 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,119 Speaker 1: rightfully so, and said, but we have enough on this. 43 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: We are moving through with a grand jury on the 44 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: campaign finance, on the financial crimes and lives that Donald 45 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: Trump used to silence Stormy Daniels that Michael Collin went 46 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: to jail for. And you have these Republicans like Kevin McCarthy, 47 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: like Rand Paul that are threatening, right the District Attorney 48 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: that are using their positions of power to say that 49 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: they're going to defund the Manhattan DA's office, that they're 50 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: going to haul him in in front of the committee 51 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: and subpoena him in for questioning. And I'm like, y'all 52 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: are the same motherfuckers who didn't give a fuck whether 53 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: or not the Trump administration was coming in and obliging subpoenas, right, 54 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:14,119 Speaker 1: Like y'all, they said, deuces, they said, fuck you, sue me, right, 55 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: And unfortunately the Democrats did not have the brass, the backbone, 56 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: and the ovaries that it fucking takes to actually see 57 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: through with suing folks who didn't show up for subpoenas 58 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: right outside of Steve Bannon. So I gotta say that 59 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:44,119 Speaker 1: their defense of Donald Trump at this stage of the game, 60 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is the fucking family values party, right, 61 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: the quote unquote family values. This man has been married 62 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: I don't know how many times, how many different kids 63 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: from how many different babies mothers, and then four months 64 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: after he is now current wife gave birth to their 65 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: son fucked a porn star. And this is the fucking 66 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: cross you want to bear. This is the motherfucker you 67 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: want to defend. This also coming from the law and 68 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: order crowd that like it's all about law and order 69 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: and giving cops the authority and the right to beat 70 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: the shit out of strangle, kill, shoot unarmed black people, 71 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: shoot harm, kill protesters exercising their right to assemble. You're 72 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: all good, fine with law and order, law and order there, 73 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: but when it comes to following the fucking law, you 74 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: want to go to bat for somebody that's been skirting 75 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: the law and has had the ability to do so 76 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: because he's rich, because he's white, because he's powerful, and 77 00:05:54,640 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: because he is sis. Give me a fucking brick. And 78 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: again with these bullshit journalists that when they sit down 79 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about the right wing media. I'm 80 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: talking about when they want to do the quote unquote 81 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: Sunday shows on ABC, CBS and MBC. When they're sitting 82 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: down for these interviews, where's the fucking follow up When 83 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: Mike Pence wants to say the district attorney should be 84 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: paying attention to the crime spree happening in New York, 85 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: By the fuck are they Ain't no crime spree here. 86 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: Crime has been going down right to stop with your 87 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: continued fear mongering of liberal blue cities. We're doing okay 88 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,679 Speaker 1: over here. How about you check your backyard. How about 89 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: Ron de Santists check what's going on in Florida. How 90 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: about you have hill Billy Elegi jd Vance check what's 91 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: happening in Ohio. Don't come checking for us in New York. 92 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: We're good. So I appreciate Alvin Bragg's team coming out 93 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: real swift and saying we're not going to be intimidated 94 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: right now. You know, forgive me, and I'm this is 95 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: not about Merritt Garlands sloth ass. But when it comes 96 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: to the case that Fannie Willis is building and when 97 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: it comes to the case that Alvin Bragg is building. 98 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: There is a reason I see now right as we're 99 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: watching the weaponization of the Republican Party their power and 100 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: platform to go after notable black right attorneys and their offices, 101 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: to try and take them down, to try and do 102 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: the Trump playbook of character assassination, flood the zone with shit, 103 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: Steve Bannon, and see what sticks. And once again it 104 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: is going to be the media who allows them to 105 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: get away with bullshit, because God forbid you ask a 106 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: follow up question, then maybe they won't return to your 107 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: little show and you won't get the little boost in ratings. 108 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: Maybe you should start thinking about our fucking democracy and 109 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: what happens to the media industry when you have a 110 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: Rhonda scantist that becomes president of the United States because 111 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: of all your warm and fuzzy coverage, what he's going 112 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: to do to the Fourth Estate, exactly what he's doing 113 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: down in Florida, which is disallowing the different media outlets 114 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: that he doesn't like that doesn't cover him favorably to 115 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: even be able to question him at all, or do 116 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: what the Trump administration did, which is just you know, 117 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: stop press briefings altogether and stop the access, so the 118 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: ability to have transparency. Wake the fuck up. I feel 119 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: better having gotten that off my chest. What about you? 120 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: Coming up next, friends, my conversation with our in house doctor, 121 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: doctor Jonathan Metzel to talk about Yes, Ran Paul again 122 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: and the fact that he tweeted out a picture with him, 123 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: which originally I was wrong. I referred to the young 124 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: man and the photo as his son. It is not 125 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: his son. It is the son of one of his 126 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: constituents who was reprimanded at his school for wearing an 127 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: ar fifteen American flag sweatshirt. Yeah, so doctor Jonathan Metzel 128 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: and I will get into that conversation coming up next. Folks. 129 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: You know that whenever we have the opportunity to speak 130 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, I am 131 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 1: always thrilled. And Jonathan, I want to start off today 132 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: with a tweet that I sent you that I saw 133 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: earlier in the week, and it was from actress Yvette 134 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: Nicole Brown, who you know I enjoy her work a lot. 135 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: And it's a picture for folks who haven't seen it, 136 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: it is a picture of an angry mob of mostly 137 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: white women and in the picture it is with regard 138 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: to Ruby Bridges, and it reads this, the people who 139 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: threw rocks at Ruby Bridges for trying to go to 140 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: school in nineteen sixty are now upset that their grandchildren 141 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,079 Speaker 1: might learn about them throwing rocks at Ruby Bridges for 142 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: going to school. And I said, quote retweeted, and I said, 143 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: this ship doesn't end. Racism doesn't die. And so I 144 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: just want you to speak to that fact that this 145 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: history Ruby Bridges is sixty years old, and this is 146 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: the history that they want us to deny. So I 147 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: want you to just speak to that. Well, you know, 148 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: I guess I have grown up. You know, as many 149 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: people like us who grew up in the aftermath of 150 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: the sixties, thought that we were in a kind of 151 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 1: progress narrative. You know, we were unenlightened before, and then 152 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: we realized that our country was much better with equality 153 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: for all these reasons, and people fought for their rights 154 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: and for their you know, seat at the table, and 155 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: then we had a you know, more political representation, more education, 156 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: and so you always think of progress as being like 157 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: a kind of straight line from down to up, and 158 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: what we're seeing is that that is not that is 159 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: not necessarily true. That a lot of the battles that 160 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: people were fighting in the nineteen sixties are still being fought. 161 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: And in education, it's just so shocking that education that 162 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: kind of getting people to turn on education, which is, 163 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: you know, the core of the civil rights movement of 164 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: the sixties. It just you know it, I think people 165 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: it's just taken people a lot of a lot of 166 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: just bandwidth to realize that that was even still an issue, 167 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: Like we're really still not going to teach people, We're 168 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: still not going to teach people about our history. But 169 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: it just it really does feel like a lot of 170 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: the issues are on reducts now. I will also say, 171 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: I'm talking to you from Tennessee, and we've had we've 172 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: had probably the you know, about as bad as as 173 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: Florida has been Tennessee. I mean, we're having all these 174 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: anti history and anti sexuality, anti education kind of bills 175 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: happening here. We'll see what happens. But there was a 176 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: huge concert that we filled Bridgstone Arena last night. You know, 177 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: tens of thousands of people came out. So there's a 178 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: lot of unhappiness people. I mean, the energy I felt 179 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: last night in Nashville of people basically saying we're not 180 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: going to go back there was was pretty deep, but 181 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: it really does feel like we're just we're just back 182 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 1: to fighting the same issue. So that that's point number one, 183 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: And the number two is like, if you're going to 184 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: take black history off the map, like, think of all 185 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 1: this stuff we've grown up with that you can't teach, 186 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: Like can you teach that there was segregation in baseball? 187 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: Can you teach the Jackie Robinson story? Can you teach? 188 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, not teaching about slavery is like 189 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 1: a pretty big part of our history of this particular country. 190 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 1: But all these things that are just kind of standard 191 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: components of like here's what it means to be an 192 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: American is to learn from the errors of our past 193 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: we don't make them again. And once you take that 194 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: off the map, you're you're looking at a pretty weird 195 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: telling just of an American history with a lot of 196 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: very real gaps and a lot of people and experiences erased. 197 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 1: What I find really stupid right about what is happening 198 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: right now, because I have rage, I have a lot 199 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: of rage, particularly as a former educator. But what I 200 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: find really stupid in the age of you know, the 201 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: fact that our phones are a little computer that we 202 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: have in our hands. Is this idea that kids won't know, right, 203 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: that the eraser goes so far as to just deny 204 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 1: people access to any type of information. It's like we're 205 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: taking the books off of the bookshelves, we're banning the 206 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: curriculum in school. Okay, well then maybe there's going to 207 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: be a homeschooling movement. But your assumption is that children 208 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: are not going to have the access or their parents, 209 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: the ones who actually care, are not going to now 210 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: double down on ensuring that their kids have supplemental education. 211 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: You know, in your book, you know, Dying of Whiteness, 212 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: like you talk about the ways, you know, the lengths 213 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: that white people will go to to deny other people access. Right. 214 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: I spoke with Heather McGee the other day, who wrote 215 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: another book that some of us, and she talks about 216 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: like the drained pool mentality, right of we're draining the 217 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: pools back during integration and so nobody can swim. And 218 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: so I just want to like, it's not even a redux, Jonathan, 219 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: so much as we never got to the core core, 220 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: we never got to the there there, and there was 221 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: never any accountability. And do you think that the lack 222 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: of accountability and responsibility is why we are here now. Well, 223 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: I certainly think there was a lack of accountability for sure, 224 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: But I have to say I also think we're here 225 00:14:58,040 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: now because they think they can get away with it. 226 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: You know. I think this is a what they see 227 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: as a power move, like now is this moment where 228 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: they control the courts. There's so much you know, gummed 229 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: up racial resentment about politics. The pandemic made people really 230 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: distrustful of the government, and so I think partially, partially 231 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: it's about not reckoning with the past, but it's also 232 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: like this is an opportunity. And the reason I say 233 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: that is because even though I agree with you up 234 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: having little computers in our hands, do you think if 235 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: this thing keeps going like this, we're going to have 236 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: easy access to like Wikipedia for kids to just look 237 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: up you know, Rosa Parks or the Montgomery bus boycott 238 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I you know, I mean, try 239 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: being in China and finding out the history of Tianum 240 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: and Square. So I don't think this is just going 241 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: to stop at school at school curricula if it if 242 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: it keeps going like this, And so I really think 243 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: that the question of kind of what is information? How 244 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: do you fight for information? To me, that's kind of 245 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: the terrifying point is that the school curriculum is powerful, 246 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: like what people learn is powerful. But I don't think 247 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: they're going to say, okay, and if you believe that 248 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: there was a thing called slavery, go ahead and teach 249 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: your kids this at home. I think I think you 250 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: know for me, what comes next is limiting the access 251 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: to what is information. And you can see that already 252 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: with textbooks. And I don't know, I just I don't 253 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: think this thing just stopped right now, when of course, 254 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: it doesn't stop unless the people decide that they're going 255 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: to stop it. Right But what when you talk about 256 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: you know, look at China and we know this, right, 257 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: we know the erasure. We know that there is no 258 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: access outside of what the government wants you to see 259 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: on the internet because they control everything. That's something that 260 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: is nationalized. Right right now, we have these little pockets 261 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: and peatree dishes. And I'm wondering if because you are 262 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: on a college campus, and this is also what Ronda 263 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: Santis is targeting, and this is what you know the 264 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: governor in Tennessee is targeting. It is free thought as 265 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: a whole. And do you think that people, particularly the 266 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: young people that you are educating, are just like okay, 267 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: so they're just going to take it like Okay, I 268 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: guess you tell me what I should know and how 269 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: I should show up and how I should think. I'll 270 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: tell you something really terrifying. This is totally anecdotal, but 271 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: I've got colleagues down here who have kids who are 272 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: in fourth grade or sixth grade or eighth grade before 273 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: well before college, and my colleagues are very, very liberal, 274 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: and they're telling me, and I've heard this like multiple 275 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 1: times out their kids are coming home from school and 276 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: saying stuff like haven't women gotten enough rights already? Like 277 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,719 Speaker 1: why are they complaining about it? Or something like that. 278 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: And so I just think that the issue is going 279 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: to be there are kids now in school who aren't 280 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: saying like everybody has a right to access or women 281 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: fought for the you know, suffrage, or African Americans vought 282 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: and we had the Voting Rights Act or something like that. 283 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: So I just think the seepage of this kind of assumption, 284 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: this kind of slow seepage of fascism that comes in 285 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: where people started saying like why are people complaining about 286 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: this or whatever, which is not just about the curriculum. 287 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: It's about kind of common sense and common knowledge. And 288 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: so it's not the students I'm in college right now, 289 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: I'm not worried about them, they're really pissed off. It's 290 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: the students who are in like seventh grade right now, 291 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: who are going to be in college down the road. 292 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: Those are the ones I'm really worried about, because it's 293 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: really like when this becomes common knowledge, when this becomes 294 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: the sense of like, oh, woke is really bad and 295 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, when that has let to percolate 296 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: from like your friend group from third grade on and 297 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: then you come to college, I just think it's going 298 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: to change the perspective in a way. And so I 299 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: just think that the curriculum is kind of the tip 300 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: of the iceberg. And I think right now, students who 301 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: are in college now, with respect to them, I know 302 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: it's a hard time or the ones I worry the 303 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 1: least about. It's really students are going to be in 304 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: college ten years from now that I'm concerned about. But 305 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: they're going to be in college ten years from now 306 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: being taught by the twenty some things that are experiencing 307 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: this moment. This is the problem that I have these days, 308 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: with the vacillating between hopelessness and being hopeful, and the 309 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 1: recognition that this isn't anything that's new. And that's why 310 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: I started off the conversation talking about Ruby Bridges. This 311 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: is not new, right for black and brown people in 312 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: this country, we have always had to piece together our 313 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,479 Speaker 1: own history, our own understanding, and find ourselves in the 314 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: stories that were not told. Right, Like I was in 315 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: high school talking with the president of the school board 316 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: to try and create a black history curriculum in my 317 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: all white school, right, that was like a hundred years ago. 318 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: And so I don't want people to just feel despondent, like, oh, well, 319 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,120 Speaker 1: you know, there's nothing that we can do and there's 320 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: no there's no fight left to have here, because this 321 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: is the same fight that we have been having as 322 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: a country for hundreds of years. Yeah, there's no doubt. 323 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: This is the same exact fight, literally the same exactly. 324 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: And I think certain people are not surprised. They're like, oh, man, welcome, 325 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: welcome to my world. And other people are like, oh, 326 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: I thought we were on a more progress narrative. But 327 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: I will say that as a college educator, nobody's ever 328 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I teach all kinds of students 329 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: from all kinds of backgrounds, all kinds of ideologies. The 330 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: best classes I have are the ones where we debate 331 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: contested ideas and look at all sides. It's not like 332 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: I'm trying to make people into any kind of voters 333 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: or any kind of citizens. I want them to like 334 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: think critically and tell them, you know, I taught a 335 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: class on the pandemic. I teach a class on masculinity. 336 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: I teach a class on guns in America. And my 337 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: whole role as an educator to say, hey, look, there 338 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: are different ways of looking at this, and I don't 339 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: want you to think that there's like to be now. 340 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: I will say that a lot of this, a lot 341 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: of this stuff, you know. I think that for me, 342 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: the reason I'm optimistic is because I just think that 343 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: the just Santists curriculum just really completely underestimates how smart 344 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: people are. You know, people are critical thinkers, right, It's 345 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: like the people they're imagining as like going into this, 346 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know five people who are 347 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: just going to want to learn like robots like that, 348 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: like that's not how you get ahead in the world. 349 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: You learn, you get ahead by thinking from multiple viewpoints. Yeah, 350 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: and so, like I think just to that point real quick, 351 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: is that your ability to have jobs right where you 352 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: are you have an Asian team and a Middle Eastern team, 353 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 1: meaning that like you're in a global company, the likelihood 354 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: of that is more so not less then, And so 355 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: for people, in order to be competitive, you have to 356 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: have critical thought. Otherwise all you're doing is setting yourself 357 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: up to like be a cog in a machine. And 358 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: we don't even create factories anymore, like we don't we 359 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: don't build shit here, we send it all overseas. And 360 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: so a part of this is about the dumbing down 361 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: of America, but it's also our inability to be competitive globally. 362 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 1: I mean, look at Florida. They're having untrained military veterans 363 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: and they're completely entrained spouses teach. So what are you 364 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: going to get from that. You're not going to get 365 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: people who are going to compete globally. You're going to 366 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: get people who can work in factories. So I think 367 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: the whole idea of this is to create a working 368 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: class in an elite class. I mean, I think that's 369 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: the that's the that's the plan. So um so it's tough, man. 370 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we have a lot of students 371 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: who come here from really disadvantaged backgrounds, not even you 372 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: know of all kinds of disadvantaged backgrounds. You know, people 373 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: who grew up in very poor settings across this country 374 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: who come here and they're going to be the leaders 375 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: of tomorrow. And I just think you're really putting poor 376 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: students at a real disadvantage obviously when you just assume 377 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: that their lot in life is to work in a factory. Yeah, 378 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: work in a factory or serve real quick, Jonathan, I 379 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: want to switch gears before I let you go, which 380 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: is Senator Rampaul earlier in the week tweeted a picture 381 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: that I sent you, and I mistakenly when I was 382 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 1: doing my video on TikTok, said that it was his son. 383 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: It's not. It's a constituency, it's not his sign. And 384 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: for folks who haven't seen the picture or I haven't 385 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: seen my TikTok video where I put the correction in 386 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: the caption, Rand Paul has his arm around a young 387 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: white boy who wore a sweatshirt to school of aar 388 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: fifteens turned into the American flag, and rightfully so the 389 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: young man was disciplined. Rand Paul took to Twitter to say, 390 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: can you believe that this young boy was disciplined for 391 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: wearing this sweatshirt? Yeah, you're fucking dummy. I can actually, 392 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: because school shootings are a norm in America, and they're 393 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: normally perpetuated by young white boys. So I just wanted 394 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: to get your reaction to the fact that, again, if 395 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: that were a black or brown boy that we're wearing 396 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: that same sweatshirt. I'm sure Ram Paul would be the 397 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: first one to say, look at that thug, right, but 398 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: here he is with his arm around this white boy. 399 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: Who is what grown up to be the next Kyle 400 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: written house unclear. Well, I know a great book that 401 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: you're going to be able to read about this exact 402 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: topic coming out next January, written by me. But I 403 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: will say that this is not an empty signifier. That 404 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: we just passed a bill two weeks ago here in 405 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 1: Tennessee or is being voted on where they lowered the 406 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: age of open and concealed carry of long guns to eighteen. Now, 407 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: as I recall, people, eighteen are still in high school 408 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: possibly and so you can they're gonna have eighteen year 409 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: old people who can open carry an a R fifteen 410 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: or an AK forty seven down Broadway here in front 411 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: of the Capitol building, whatever that kind of thing. So 412 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: it's not just about a sweatshirt. It's about this sense 413 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: of like, I'm a victim and therefore I turned to 414 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: gun rights to like get my respect back or get 415 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,719 Speaker 1: my response to my victimhood. But it's not just sweatshirts, 416 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: at least in Tennessee. It's not just sweatshirts. And I 417 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: just think the idea of like eighteen year olds carrying 418 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: AK forty seven's is terrifying. And then on college campuses 419 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: across the South, they have what's called campus carry, where 420 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: people can carry weapons on campus because they might you know, 421 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: you kind of see a threat everywhere then you need 422 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: a gun. And just the thought of like people going 423 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 1: to fraternity keg parties with their weapon and stuff like that, 424 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: Like and the really hard part is, like I mean 425 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: getting back to campuses, Like college campuses have been the 426 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: safest places in the country for people in the eighteen 427 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: to twenty two year old demographic, specifically because weapons are limited, 428 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,959 Speaker 1: you know, on college campuses. But that's all being overturned. 429 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: And so as much as I think a sweatshirt sucks, 430 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: I mean, from where I'm sitting in Tennessee right now, 431 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,959 Speaker 1: give me a sweatshirt any day to like, you know, 432 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 1: but it's not just it's not about the clothing. It's 433 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: about the ideology that it's perpetuating. And they're right, and 434 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: that's yeah, they're connected, they're connected. Yeah, and the policies 435 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 1: that they are activating based on this thought that like, 436 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: that's a good image that you want to see, which 437 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: is a young white boy wearing an AAR fifteen flag, 438 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: because this Republican Party doesn't pledge allegiance to the same 439 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 1: flag and have the same values that this country was 440 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: sort of kind of formed out of off the back 441 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: of slavery. John, Then, I just want to once again 442 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: thank you for making the time and squeezing us in 443 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: today on Woke F We appreciate you and are waiting 444 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: with bated breath for January twenty twenty four for your 445 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: new book coming soon. Take care of everybody? That is 446 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: it for me today, dear friends on woke F. As always, 447 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: power to the people and to all the people. Power, 448 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: Get woke and stay woke as fuck