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Speaker 1: to the show. Okay, so we don't have the ability

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Speaker 1: that's the show. Just kidding. Hi, Hello, wow, so ah,

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Speaker 1: what's ukon? I've been wanting to say that since I

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Speaker 1: saw What a Girl Wants? What's up in London? Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for being here. We're so excited. Is

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Speaker 1: So this is this is the Bechtel Cast? Where is

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Speaker 1: it the women in Film show? As the sign indicates,

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Speaker 1: we got dumb our own venue? Close enough? No, sounds

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Speaker 1: like a good show. Yeah, we are the Bechtel Cast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Caitlin Dronte. My name is Jamie Loftus

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Speaker 1: And uh. We talked about the representation of women in movies,

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Speaker 1: the Women in Film Podcast. But the the real, the

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Speaker 1: canonical name of the podcast is the Bechtel Cast. Just

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Speaker 1: clapping up. If you have listened to the Betel Cast before,

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Speaker 1: If if you have been brought here and you haven't

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Speaker 1: a few see what they did. Brave, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: That was that was a thinker. That was a time, real,

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Speaker 1: We talk about women in film and we use the

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Speaker 1: Bechdel Test as a jumping off point for our discussion. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and if you're not familiar with that, what that is.

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Speaker 1: Bechtel also sometimes own as a Becktel Wallace test. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And it requires that two female identifying characters with names

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Speaker 1: and you would think it would happen all the time,

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Speaker 1: But then there's most of the Star Wars and also

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Speaker 1: other movies. Shall we demonstrate it? Yes? Please? Okay? Um,

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Speaker 1: I have one ready. Yes, I wrote it down to

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Speaker 1: hey Jamie, yes, um, Sorry I almost sucked it up.

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Speaker 1: Did you know that we have someone here in the

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Speaker 1: audience tonight named Kay whose birthday it is? Yes? I

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Speaker 1: did I read that? Dear where's Katie? Oh? Hai? Kay?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god? Happy birthday? Sing too. We already know

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Speaker 1: it's everyone's birthday. This is so Wait whose birthday is it?

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Speaker 1: It's you birthday Friday. We'll get out of here, god, Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: hard continent really gets the night started up, right, man?

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Speaker 1: So yeah, we were so we're so packed to be here.

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Speaker 1: We tried to choose movies appropriately. So this this one

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Speaker 1: Give it up for the very funny Rachel Ann Clark. Hello,

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Speaker 1: what's up? Thanks for being here, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Women in Film and their podcast, So we're talking about Brave.

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Speaker 1: Of course, this is my This is the best movie

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Speaker 1: giving off off some strong William Wall spraveheart vibes mcguffin,

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Speaker 1: that's a very sophisticated reference. Yes, yes, no, I'm kidding,

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Speaker 1: And then Queen Eleanor explains how the games will go,

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Speaker 1: firstborns of each clan are eligible to compete. So Meredath

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Speaker 1: And then Meredith is like, um, actually is the firstborn

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Speaker 1: coming up for me as we were as we were

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Speaker 1: going through it. But that's it I mean it's like,

424
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have that wouldn't have hit with me as

425
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: hard when I was a kid. That's because is kind

426
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: of the way that we're watching it now. Yeah, that

427
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: criticism is is totally valid, but um, I mean, I

428
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: think there's a lot that this movie does really well,

429
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: especially considering the intended audience. And I too, I wish

430
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Speaker 1: I had seen it like grown up with this rather

431
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: than you know, the very damaging movies that we've covered

432
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: on the podcast already, like you know, snow White, Little Mermaid, Aladdin,

433
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Speaker 1: stuff like that. Because if you do compare Brave to

434
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: earlier Disney princess movies and they're referenced a lot in

435
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: this movie, like by a lot of different scenes, you're like, oh,

436
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: that's kind of from there, you know, right, because like

437
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: in a lot of these other ones, just to name

438
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: a few, snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping be Beuty, Little Mermaid,

439
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: Beauty and the Beast, Pocahon's a Laddin, the mom is

440
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: absent in those movies, and the princess's whole story arc

441
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: is about ending up with a man. Brave still about

442
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Speaker 1: a princess, but this is I think the first Disney

443
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Speaker 1: Princess movie where the princess does not have a romantic interest,

444
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,959
Speaker 1: which helps with it being like not technically Disney, right,

445
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: but this is also I mean, like seventeen years into

446
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: Pixar and this is their first female whet. Yeah, I

447
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: have a whole spiel about that. But so not only

448
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: does she not have a romantic interest, she explicitly states

449
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Speaker 1: that that's something that she's not interested in at all,

450
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Speaker 1: or at least like in this juncture in her life.

451
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: So that's a huge But also I mean, like girls

452
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: were getting married off at age nine ish during this time,

453
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: so it's actually very progressive. So like, yeah, her not

454
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Speaker 1: having a romantic interest and not having an interest in

455
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: getting married is becomes a huge plot point. And then

456
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: her mom is not only alive in this movie, but

457
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: the story is largely about Meredith's relationship with her mom.

458
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: I would even argue that it's and I don't even

459
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: know if this is like the best writing choice, but

460
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: the story gradually becomes more and more about Mereda's mom,

461
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: to the point where Merrid's mom is the one to

462
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: make all of the climactic decisions and moves, where like

463
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: Mereda is about to be like, you know what, I'm

464
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Speaker 1: gonna get married and then bear charades. So Mereda's mom

465
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Speaker 1: is is taking the reins in that scene and then

466
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Speaker 1: in the big bear fight with the other bear. How

467
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Speaker 1: many chimes are you say? Bear? Uh? That Like Meredith's

468
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: mom is is in charge of of that scene as well.

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Speaker 1: So it's like it I feel like the main arc

470
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: in this story kind of belongs to her mother, because

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Speaker 1: we go from Merida not wanting to get married to

472
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Speaker 1: Merida not wanting to get married. Like she she is

473
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: a pretty consistent character where married's mom has this whole

474
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: ideological shift. Or does she because she's a bear? Yeah, yeah,

475
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: there's that to ponder. Yeah, but it is interesting, like

476
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: they're like the mom kind of starts off as the

477
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: closest thing we have to a villain besides the other bear.

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Speaker 1: She has kind of this cool redemptive arc that I liked. Yeah,

479
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: that's true. A few other like key differences between Brave

480
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: and other earlier Disney movies is, for example, like when

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Speaker 1: Meredath is locked in a tower at the end of

482
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Speaker 1: the movie, which her dad does to keep her safe

483
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: from the various bears, she like tries really hard to

484
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: escape and then like manages to do so, whereas like

485
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: and other manipulates her bear brothers, because in other like

486
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Speaker 1: princess narratives, the princess generally passively waits sitting by, waiting

487
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Speaker 1: to be rescued by like, you know, Prince Charming kind

488
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: of or Shrek Um or Shrek right in some of Shrek,

489
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: never forget Shrek Um. And then when Meredith does need

490
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: to be rescued from more do at the end, it's

491
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Speaker 1: only after she's put up a good fight herself and

492
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: it's her mom who rescues her. Not not an right, right,

493
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: I do that. I do wish that Meredith had fought

494
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Speaker 1: more at the at the end. I mean, she's she's

495
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: like she'd she launches some arrows. I just sword. I

496
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: think that that's like a personal preference thing. I was

497
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: just like, whoever makes like the killing blow, it's their

498
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: movie and mom and it's Beare Mom, And I think

499
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: that it is arguably kind of Beare Mom's movie. She

500
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: has the biggest she I think everyone is brave at

501
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, Thank you so much. We're

502
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: also true. Here's my spiel about Brave being the first

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Speaker 1: Pixar movie with a female lead. I have a lot

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Speaker 1: to say this about this as well. Okay, do you

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00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: want to go first? Um? Sure? Uh? So this was so,

506
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: as we were started referencing earlier, this is the first

507
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: Pixar movie to ever have a female lead. Uh and

508
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Speaker 1: this is seventeen years after Toy Story took a long

509
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Speaker 1: fucking time. Not coincidentally, is also the first Pixar movie

510
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Speaker 1: to have a female director. Brenda Chapman, who I think

511
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: kind of has this really interesting place in animation history

512
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: because she is like one of the She was the

513
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: first woman to ever direct a major studio animated film.

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Speaker 1: She directed The Princes of Egypt. Anyone remember that classic

515
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: probably doesn't hold up well, but I saw it in

516
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Speaker 1: the church summer camp. They're just like, how do we

517
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Speaker 1: get you to be quiet for an hour? So she

518
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Speaker 1: she had directed The Prince of Egypt. And there's still

519
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Speaker 1: to date from what I could find, or there's under ten,

520
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: arguably under five women who have directed major animation studio

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Speaker 1: projects literally ever. Um, Brenda Chapman ended up co directing,

522
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Speaker 1: which we'll get into this movie. And then there was

523
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: also uh where what's her name? Jennifer Yo directed and

524
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: co directed Kung fu Panda's two and three. Um, and

525
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: then there was also a female co director of Frozen,

526
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Speaker 1: but there's still never been a movie only directed by

527
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Speaker 1: a woman in animation. And I don't know if you've

528
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Speaker 1: been alive for the past two years, but Pixar has

529
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: a spectacularly bad record with how they treat women. Yeah. So,

530
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Speaker 1: so the deal with Brenda is she had been working

531
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Speaker 1: in animation at Disney or uh DreamWorks for Disney adjacent

532
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: since the late eighties. She started working with them on

533
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Speaker 1: The Little Mermaid doing like in between drawings and stuff

534
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: like that. She like put in her time, right and

535
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: uh then for for Brave, this was going to be

536
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Speaker 1: her big opportunity to direct, and she had co written

537
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: the script and she conceived of the story based on

538
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: her own relationship with her daughter, right, and so it's

539
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: like great, okay Brenda, and who fux it up? But

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00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: you know who already John Mothers fucking Lasseter ruining everything

541
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: since apparently toy story like he is this piece of ship. Okay,

542
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: So we haven't heard from Brenda Chapman in a in

543
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: a bit, but what we do know is that she

544
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: worked on this project for years and years. It was

545
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: her baby, and it was the payoff for all of

546
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: this work she had done for all these years, and

547
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: then she was replaced with eighteen months left, and for

548
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 1: a movie this big that is pretty late in the game.

549
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: She was replaced by a man because of her disagreements

550
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: creatively with John Lasseter. So in the end she only

551
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,959
Speaker 1: gets co directing credit for the thing. That is very

552
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: clear she did the bulk of the work on and

553
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 1: she leaves Pixar the second this movie comes out. She's

554
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: sucking out of here. And she said publicly at the time,

555
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: she's like, I will not be coming back like she is.

556
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: She really like it's and in twelve that's not a

557
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: small thing. This is extremely pre me too, and extremely

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Speaker 1: like when John Lasseter was still kind of this like

559
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: golden god in the animation industry. But she was just like,

560
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: I'm not going to work with him. He's a piece

561
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: of ship. And coming from the only female director he's

562
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: ever worked with, that's not nothing. So shout out Brenda Chapman.

563
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: She's a she. She she fucking and the movie still

564
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 1: turned out incredible in spite of all that like behind

565
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: the scenes insanity, and she has said that she feels

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Speaker 1: her like original vision was generally maintained, and she's still

567
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: very proud of it. Um I have a few quotes

568
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: from her from various pieces. She penned a piece in

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Speaker 1: The New York Times in twelve entitled stand up for

570
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: Yourself and mentor others uh, and she says about Brave,

571
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: this was a story that I created, which came from

572
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Speaker 1: a very personal play as a woman and a mother.

573
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Speaker 1: To have it taken away and given to someone else

574
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: and a man at that was truly distressing on so

575
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: many levels. Then, in an interview with Polygon in she says,

576
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Speaker 1: I'm very very proud of Brave. Much of my work

577
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: that they had initially tried to take out once I left,

578
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: they ended up putting much of it back in because

579
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: there was really nothing wrong with the movie and there

580
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: was no reason creatively to take me off the film.

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Speaker 1: When asked what they tried to change about Brave, she

582
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 1: said they tried to make it more about the father

583
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: daughter story opposed to the mother daughter story. It was interesting,

584
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: and it didn't work. And then, going back to her

585
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: New York Times piece, she writes, sometimes women expressed an

586
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 1: idea and are shot down, only to have a man

587
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: expressed essentially the same idea and have it broadly embraced.

588
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: Until there is a sufficient number of women executives and

589
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: high places, this will continue to happen. Yes, So basically, yeah,

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00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: I mean, from what I can tell, John Lasseter wanted

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Speaker 1: to ruin the story. Brenda Chapman was like, no, don't

592
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: do that, and then John later because of that, and

593
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: then realized that the changes they were trying to make

594
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: didn't work, and then they just ended up making the

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00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: movie that Chapman originally envisioned, but now without her right,

596
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: which is something that happens all the time. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you're a big little lies head like myself on

598
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: the on the second season, a very similar thing happened

599
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: this past year where uh female director even the reins

600
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: for the entire season, and then in the last three

601
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 1: months of editing, her work was taken from her and

602
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: completely re edited and redone and then credited to a man.

603
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: So it is prevalent issue everywhere. I'm I'm really glad

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Speaker 1: that Brenda Chapman is like spoken to this, especially in animation,

605
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: which is so incredibly male dominated UM and and also,

606
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: I mean it is an extremely extremely white industry, and

607
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: so the fact that she you know, she spoke up

608
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: and like defended her. Like that's not an easy thing

609
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: to do, so drama behind the scenes. You love to

610
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 1: see a feminist icon Brenda. Good for her. I really

611
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 1: admire that. I also enjoyed The Prince of Egypt, so

612
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: long time fan. Every Yeah, Vacation, Bible School Baby. More

613
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Speaker 1: about just this movie being the first Pixar film with

614
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Speaker 1: a female lead. Yes, that is true, but it's also

615
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: the one that most closely resembles a typical animated Disney

616
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: princess movie because the other pis are movies about the boys,

617
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: get to be about toys, bugs, monsters, cars, fish, robots,

618
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: et cetera. Uh. But the good news is after Brave,

619
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Speaker 1: there were more female protagonists in Pixar movies were inside Out.

620
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Speaker 1: We spend the time inside a woman's brain, a confusing

621
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Speaker 1: place that none of us understand. Oh it's ust but

622
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: finding Dory, I mean yeah, um, but all the same,

623
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Speaker 1: like this, you know, is the first one with a

624
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: female lead. It's still is like a fairy tale about

625
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: a princess. And while I would say, especially by standards,

626
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: it is a feminist text, uh, it is still showcasing

627
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: a very specific type of like female archetype, which is

628
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: a rich white, young princess girl, yeah, who can go

629
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Speaker 1: to plot Witch's house and be like I have gold,

630
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Speaker 1: Like they're just like relatable. Um uh yeah. No. I also,

631
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Speaker 1: I mean think that that is kind of another indication

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Speaker 1: of how male dominated Pixar and that entire industry is,

633
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Speaker 1: but especially Pixar, because there are so many demonstrable examples

634
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 1: of women's opinions just being absolutely shut down at any

635
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,439
Speaker 1: opportunity of it's not. It's like kind of disappointing. Even

636
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: though I like Brave and I'm glad it exists, it's

637
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: disappointing that the only female led story they were willing

638
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: to take a chance on was something that was a

639
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: clear clearly demist like a princess movie. Like there's really

640
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: not even though there are like inversions and like really

641
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: really smart ones done by I'm assuming the female writers. Um,

642
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: they're still not taking a real gamble by doing this,

643
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: I don't think. I mean, I think it was a

644
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: gamble by their standards, but making another princess movie is

645
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: not a huge risk. And I was curious about is

646
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: this story rooted in any sort of like Scottish lore,

647
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: folklore and Rachel anne Um as our resident expert, is

648
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: there is that the case. I'm not from medieval Scotland,

649
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: but but you don't know what everything about Scotland has

650
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: ever happened. I don't. I don't think so. I think

651
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: the will of the wisps, like a whisp is as

652
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: a thing, and like the stones are a thing. I've

653
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: been to the like Scottish stonehenge, yes, thing, well, this

654
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: one that I was at was in the Hebrides. But

655
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: there's like there's more than one, like there's more than

656
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: one stonehenge. They're just not all called stonehenge like stones,

657
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 1: stones and a big circle are a thing. Sure, no

658
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: one knows why. Maybe that's where they had the bear

659
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: fights back there, like we've not we've not quite figured

660
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: out why they're there and ask for like turning into bear. No,

661
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 1: I've not that not, that's not part of Scottish lore.

662
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: Maybe me once a month, but like no, like I've not,

663
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: I have no. I'm still I'm just like, what is

664
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: going on with the bear? I just the bear? Try.

665
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: I honestly, if this movie had played out the way

666
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to, which is a movie,

667
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: I think I would have liked better would have it

668
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: would have been like Mereda going off and you know,

669
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: like leaving the kingdom that she is from, you know,

670
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 1: and and going out finding her own way making coming

671
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 1: back with the lessons she's learned. I mean, basically invert

672
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: the hero story that we've seen with male characters a

673
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: billion times and seeing it with this really cool, empowered,

674
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: capable female character. And then we kind of get caught

675
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: in the weeds of this whole bear situation and she

676
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: doesn't get much further than two miles from home. Yeah,

677
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: I feel like there's not really a lesson for her learn. Yeah,

678
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to get mad, and then she does,

679
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: which which is cool. I mean, like in itself, that's

680
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: a subversion, but I do think that like they're and

681
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: I don't even I'm like, is this a feminist critique

682
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 1: or is this just like weird writing of just not

683
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: much about her changes and what does change about her

684
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: kind of made me feel weird of by the end,

685
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: like the the action that Merida takes at the climax

686
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: of the movie to unbear her mom is that she

687
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: apologizes for her firmly held values, and that was just like,

688
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: what are we supposed to be taking away from that.

689
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: Like this the like the first twenty minutes of this movie,

690
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: which I've loved, and you know, when she's like doing

691
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: the archery, she rips her dress, she's like, funck this,

692
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 1: and you know, like that is all so incredible. But

693
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: then it feels like she's apologizing for all of that

694
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: having happened, being like, oh, I didn't respect patriarchal traditions

695
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: and so and now my mom's a bearer. I'm so bad. Yeah,

696
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: I agree that she kind of has. I mean, she

697
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: should maybe apologized to her mom for turning her into

698
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: a bear, but but she didn't. Yeah, the fact that

699
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: she apologizes at last, Ursula clearly states what's going to happen.

700
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: That's true, even makes her sign a contract and know

701
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: is basically a scientist and a lawyer. Yeah, for sure.

702
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 1: And then this plot which apparently only knows one spell,

703
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: which is to turn people into bears. She's also Emma Thompson.

704
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: She's also a Coachla, You're just like, who is this

705
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: character now? Emma Thompson's the mom? Emma Sorry, sorry, so

706
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: you're right. Who's Who's Julie Waters? Julie Walters? Yeah, Waters

707
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: are walters mom and Mrs Bird from Paddington's. Yeah, then,

708
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: let me just take a quick sidebar to note the

709
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: Paddington's parallels, sure the obvious, both being bare heavy movies.

710
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: Julie Walters play is the Witch, who is of course

711
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: Mrs Bird in Paddington's. Emma Thompson, who voices Eleanor is

712
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: from Paddington, England. And you know who else is from

713
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: Paddington England? Whom Alfred Molina? What? Yes? You know that?

714
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: Did they not lay him in the movie? Why didn't

715
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: he get asked? I don't know. I bet he was

716
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: busy and he didn't want to. Oh my god, wow, wow,

717
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: he's from Well, if we're talking about who Alfred Millina

718
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: could play in this movie, and I know that we're

719
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: aiming for a Scottish heavy cast, but we do have

720
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: Emma Thompson right, and she's she's English, right, mama is Scottish,

721
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 1: her mom is okay if we're but but you Rachel

722
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: and also told us before we came out on stage

723
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: that so Kelly McDonald plays Merida, and she I think

724
00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 1: is best known from train Spotting as famously only woman

725
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: in Trainspotting. But she voices Mereda, but apparently it was

726
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: originally supposed to be Reese Witherspoon. Yeah wait, I'm gonna

727
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 1: pull up the quote because it is very Oh stop

728
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: trying to make Reese Witherspoon happen. She's already famous. I

729
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: love I loved her at role. That's the other thing

730
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: where we were just like, have we ever heard Reese

731
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: Weatherspoon be anyway like play in Non America? I don't

732
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: think so. So the whole Reese situation. Uh so they

733
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: hired her. She was attached to the project forever. No

734
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: one was like, wait a second, Reese got a coach.

735
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm Scottish now, this is this is the

736
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: new Reese legally Scottish. And and then and then I

737
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: guess she quietly left the project because she turns out

738
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: she isn't Scottish. And then she like said in an

739
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: interview later, she was like, yeah, my Scottish was like dogshit,

740
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: it was really mad. Yeah, so you know, I didn't

741
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: didn't miss reason this one lover though, for sure. But

742
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: when became back to what you were saying about Merida's

743
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: arc and where she goes from the beginning toward the end,

744
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: that that also hit for me as well. Yeah, I

745
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: mean like if her mom didn't turn any a bear,

746
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: nothing would happen, right right, Like nothing, nothing would have happened.

747
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: It would have just had a bed round and then

748
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: she might have got married like she probably would because

749
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: I think her mom wouldn't be so like do the

750
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: bear she would be as she wouldn't be like as

751
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: invested in changing it if she wasn't a bear. Right.

752
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: I really like this this line of thought of like

753
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: the mom is just trying to get out of this situation. Yeah,

754
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: not nothing. I do really feel like much would have changed.

755
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: And then, like I loved the film so much, and

756
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: then right up to the end, I was just like

757
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: absolutely winded because man, it does like this is all

758
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: my fault. I've been so selfish, like she says, I

759
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: am selfish. I'm selfish, Like you know, I'll do anything

760
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: to take it back, like I've changed. I'm so sorry,

761
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: Like this is all me, and her mom's just there,

762
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: she can't speak because she's a bear, right right, and man,

763
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: it just like pulled in her heart and her mom's

764
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: just like move I'm bear. That was a good I

765
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: was devastated as I wanted them. Mom should be apologizing,

766
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: but as you said, she's a bear. It is I mean,

767
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: the fact that Meredith has to go so far to

768
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: apologize for the character that we all fell in love

769
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: with at the beginning of the movie just feels off, Yeah, yeah,

770
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. And then and then and kind of

771
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: like getting back to what we were talking about at

772
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: the beginning, the dad's lack of accountability and this whole situation. Right,

773
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: first of all, he doesn't notice his family has vanished.

774
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: But also that like in this whole thing, anytime that

775
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: the that Queen Eleanor is saying like this is what

776
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: you need to do, this is your expectation of society,

777
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: the father always kind of gets off scott free again,

778
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: well that's what uh brave of you. But he kind

779
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: of he kind of just like, is you know a

780
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,439
Speaker 1: big triangle and he's like, I don't know. And then

781
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: and Meredith like, my triangle Dad is so awesome, and

782
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: you're like your triangle Dad is complicit and a lot

783
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: of Shita wake up. I have I have some lists

784
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: of things, has various lists like so I would say,

785
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: unlike a lot of its predecessors in terms of other

786
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: like fairy Tale Disney Princess movies. This one does a

787
00:51:55,719 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: lot more to comment on things like femininity, masculine city,

788
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: and gender roles, because there are various scenes in which

789
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: Queen Eleanor says, like what a princess does and does

790
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: not do. A princess does not chortle, she does not

791
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: stuff her gob uh, she does not raise her eat them,

792
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: she does not raise her voice. She does not have weapons.

793
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: She is compassionate, patient, cautious, clean, and above all, a

794
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 1: princess strives for perfection. I like this scene the way

795
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: Emma Thompson does it, but I prefer it the way

796
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: Julie Andrews did it in The Princess Diaries. Yes, but

797
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: it's she's basically saying like, you're a woman, and women

798
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: can only do certain things and they should not do

799
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 1: other things. Meanwhile, whole feminist icon sort of, her dad

800
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: is like, as a loser, I agree, but at first

801
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, he's actually really cool because he's like, here,

802
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 1: have a bow, learned to shoot. But I won't stand

803
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: up you in public or care that you're missing for

804
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: forty eight hours. Bad. So the movie does also comment

805
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: on masculinity. I think to some degree where the groups

806
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: of men that you see are constantly trying to flaunt

807
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 1: their masculinity. They're always trying to one up each other.

808
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: They're always breaking out into huge violent fights, and this

809
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: is always made to look very like stilly and and foolish,

810
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: um and toxic. By the movie. There's that especially one

811
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: suitor who's like this toxic bro fuck boy. He's oh yeah,

812
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: He's like he definitely like does like pick up artist stuff. Yeah.

813
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: And then and then he like throws a tantrum whenever

814
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: he like doesn't get the bull's eye. And then like

815
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: Meredith sarcastically, he's like, oh that's attractive. Um. Just the

816
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: legend of the prince who wanted the strength of ten men.

817
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: He wanted all this power and then bad things happen

818
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: to him because he turned into a demon bear. Uh.

819
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: And then Meredith's dad is like on meredith side for

820
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: a lot of the movie, but I'm anti dad. If

821
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: you can't stand up for your daughter in public as

822
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: a man with power, you, I don't funk with you.

823
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 1: Fergus and do it. And he has such a strong

824
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: bear vendetta that he almost kills his wife. Okay, but

825
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: to be fair, it's hard to be fair. It would

826
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 1: be really hard to look at it bear and be like,

827
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: this is my wife. I was true. I was kind

828
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: of empathizing with him on that where it's married is

829
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: like no, this bears mom and he's like no, but

830
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: but if he just listened to Meredith. But he doesn't

831
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: like to listen to women, is the thing, right, right?

832
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: That's fair and women when they say other women are

833
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 1: bears and important and don't lock them up in a tower,

834
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: definitely don't do that. He wasn't a good He's not

835
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: a good character. He's not He's not good. And then

836
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: he shoves her out of the way the in the

837
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: bear fight at the end, she also she also like

838
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: she she fights him. Yeah, I'm glad that she does that.

839
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: And that was I mean, that was like a really

840
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: that was like when the Meritive, it felt like the

841
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: Meratith from the beginning of the movie came back for

842
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 1: a second. You're like, oh, cool, Like when she's escaping

843
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: the tower and when she like fights like sword fights

844
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: with her dad, Like, yeah, this is the Meriti I

845
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: wanted to see the whole time, not this whole barre

846
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: negotiation thing. Sure to sum up there is some commentary

847
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: on like you know, like gender roles, masculinity, femininity, but

848
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: it's still it's not perfect in this movie. Um, I

849
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: want to talk about sate. Oh right, Brave, because most

850
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: movies that have fate as like a theme or a

851
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: big story element have male protagonists. Um, there's a lot

852
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: of talk about destiny and Star Wars, there's a lot

853
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: of talk about fate in The Matrix Terminator much any

854
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: like Chosen One narrative, Jesus of Jesus. Sorry, I just

855
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: wanted to participate. These all have like fate as a

856
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: theme or through line, and they're almost always male driven stories.

857
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: If fate or destiny is something that gets talked about

858
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: in a female driven movie, it's almost always something about romance,

859
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: and it's like something to the effect of this is

860
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: the man I'm destined to be with, or it is

861
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: like a tragic fate where there's all those like faded

862
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: to die to advance the male protagonists fated to die.

863
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: So KIANU Reeves can begin the movie like that that

864
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:49,720
Speaker 1: kind of fate. Sure. Yeah, However, Brave has very strong

865
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: fate themes and it has nothing to do with romance.

866
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,919
Speaker 1: It's all about like carving out your own path, being

867
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: free to choose your own journey in life, and not

868
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 1: being bound you are. Oh wow, someone said bear ahead

869
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 1: to and like not being bound to rigid patriarchal traditions.

870
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: So I still wish we had gotten to see more

871
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: of a journey for her, though, I still I still

872
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: think we see more of married as Mom's journey than hers.

873
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: She doesn't get very far from home. I mean, yeah,

874
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: but I think it's nice to just have a like,

875
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: a headstrong young woman whose like values we know. She

876
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: she never wavers for them until she's apologizing for no

877
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: reason at the end and the very end, which I yeah,

878
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: that is I think a mistake narratively, which is probably

879
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: something John lasted or decided to do because it doesn't

880
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,919
Speaker 1: make any sense. But this movie doesn't make any sense.

881
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: We've mentioned the bear also, I wanted to mention really

882
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: quick there there are four credited writers on the screenplay,

883
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: and there is gender parody here. Uh so, Brendan Chapman

884
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: is a credited writer, as well as Irene Metchi. I

885
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: think it's how you say her name, who's like a

886
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: Disney standby. She had writing credits on The Lion King

887
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: Hunchback Hercules Fantasia two thousand and she wrote the TV

888
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: version of Annie that I liked from so it did that.

889
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: That is also I mean for any Disney, Pixar or

890
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: any movie period um having some parody in the in

891
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: the writing was was nice to see. For sure. I

892
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: want to talk about Merida as a possible queer icon

893
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: question mark, question mark, question mark. So a lot has

894
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: been written about whether or not Mereda might be coded queer,

895
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: either a lesbian or maybe asexual because of her lack

896
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: of interest in getting married to a man. Um She's yeah,

897
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm also not interested in getting married to a man,

898
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: and I'm straight. It's just good instincts and a lot

899
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: for any one. True and different members of the queer

900
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: community have embraced the idea that Merida might be queer.

901
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: Others have speculated that she could just as easily be

902
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: a straight person but doesn't want to be, you know,

903
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: locked into a marriage when she's a teenager, as we pointed, up,

904
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: straight person with a good head on her shot a

905
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: good head of so much hair there. Then I think

906
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: about like the rendering times on her head. You're like,

907
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure people were like at the brink of their

908
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: own sanity over like this gorgeous cartoons head. They had

909
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: to develop a like animation program specifically just for her hair,

910
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:49,479
Speaker 1: I mean worth it. Yeah, it's great anyway. The movie

911
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: doesn't spell out her sexual identity or preference one way

912
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: or the other. But I would say for those who

913
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: have embraced Meredith as being a queer character, it's nice

914
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,959
Speaker 1: that for once, it's not a villain. Um, this time

915
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: it's the hero. Because historically we've talked about this a lot,

916
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: the queer, coded, uh or ambiguous characters, and Disney movies

917
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: have pretty much all been villains. So um, I think

918
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: that's a nice change of pace and I just love,

919
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: I mean that element of this genre of movies. For

920
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: all the issues that come with the Princess movie, I

921
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: feel like there is a very like active discussion and

922
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: open to interpretation element that different communities have made for themselves.

923
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: I was really when we were doing the Little Mermaid episode.

924
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: I was like pleasantly surprised and really interested in the

925
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: number of different reads that can be done on a

926
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: movie like this that is designed to be pretty broad

927
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: and for you to plug yourself into the main character

928
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: and to see um, the different meanings that people get

929
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: out of it, and it's just it's cool. And I

930
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 1: think Meredith is like that kind of character that is

931
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: just kind of like open and I appreciate that. I mean,

932
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: it's truly the absolute least they can do, but by

933
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: not doing a hard specification like that, that was really cool.

934
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,919
Speaker 1: For sure, possible quer icon. We don't know, true, She'll

935
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: let us know. I think my last point was about archery. Okay,

936
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: go off. We had a similar discussion on our Hunger games.

937
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: With Brave, you get to see a woman using real

938
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: weapons for once. It's not a frying pan or other

939
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: kitchen of pines, although you do see Mahdi grab a

940
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 1: frying pan to try to hit the three Little Bear

941
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 1: brothers with at one point, again, she really reminded me

942
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: of a character, a similar character from The Little Mermaid.

943
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: It's like the woman who worked at Eric's castle is

944
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: the same character. They're they're pulling a lot. Is it lazy?

945
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: Is it homage? Sometimes it's both. Yesage is just kind

946
01:01:54,040 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: of another word from like like so here different enough

947
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: at though we see Mereda defending herself against more Do

948
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: by firing arrows at him, she's often wielding a sword

949
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: and according to a study by the Gina Davis Institute

950
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 1: on Gender and Media about archery, fellow mens, Yes, um,

951
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: this study was about archery, which is the fastest growing

952
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: sport in the US. Apparently seven and ten girls said

953
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: that Catnets from The Hunger Games and Meredith from Brave

954
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: influenced their decision to take up archery. Hell yeah, that's incredible.

955
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: So it just goes to show that when young people

956
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: see someone like them on screen represented doing something, especially

957
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: when it's a thing that they usually don't see themselves doing,

958
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 1: like a girl doing archery and also being the very

959
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: best at it, which the movie goes out of its

960
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 1: way again again where she's, as you said, creaming them,

961
01:02:55,640 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: creaming she's very very good like and that that is

962
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 1: cool to see, Like she's not just their peer, she's

963
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: like she's creaming them the right. So, yes, whenever girls

964
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: are shown doing things that like maybe aren't traditionally feminine

965
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 1: things to do, what empowers the audience to say, Hey,

966
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: I could maybe do archery too, It just feels more possible. Yes, absolutely.

967
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 1: Does anyone have any other thoughts about the film? What

968
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: if I was like, I'd like to talk more about

969
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: the bear on No, No, that's all. That's all, uh,

970
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: that I really had for this. I think I mean

971
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: to start wrapping up. And I think that this movie

972
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: has like a very unique place in time, um where

973
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: this is definitely a step forward, and it was like

974
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: Pixar's first attempt to show a female character. And I

975
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: think that the ways that they succeeded and failed are

976
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: kind of telling, especially behind the scenes, and it is

977
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: kind of weirdly encouraging that I was frustrated at so

978
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: many places in this movie, because that just means that

979
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: we have better options now. Um, So it was like

980
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: weird the for the for the parts, I was frustrated

981
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: that I was at least grateful to think, well, there

982
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: are movies that exist, now would it exist off the

983
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 1: work that Brave did? That kind of resolves some of

984
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: the issues. It's a it's a good stepping stone hinge,

985
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 1: Scott stonehinge, someone did boo Yeah and yeah. I mean,

986
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: I feel like we've talked a lot about the bear,

987
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: but I feel like we've cannot overlooked Angus a little bit.

988
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: Oh the horse, which is a very strange name for

989
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: the horse unless they're going to like eat them later, Yeah,

990
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: this is a thing. Yeah, yeah, just to show out

991
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: to Angus. We never really we were like, he doesn't

992
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: really do much in it. But then that's also the thing.

993
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: When she has running off to save her mom, she's

994
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: not even really you know, got Angus there to be like, Oh,

995
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: come on, she's just sitting to buy animals, just doing

996
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: it on her own. Sure, no one can talk to her.

997
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: She's brave, she's grave. Yeah, how she's another Disney princess

998
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: with seemingly only animal friends. Yeah, why doesn't she have

999
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: a like a human friend. We don't see any of

1000
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 1: the people there. There's a major peasant erasure. We don't

1001
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: see anyone who's valued at less than six figures in

1002
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: this movie, except for a plot which we don't maybe

1003
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 1: is like a chamber maid or something like a line. Yeah,

1004
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: she plays subjectified, brutal like Marti, plays into like the

1005
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 1: hysterical woman's stereotype because she's always a true woman. Yeah,

1006
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: and are a few of our only I mean iconic

1007
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 1: brave of them to include these troups. I I blame

1008
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: anything that isn't like good or that's kind of trumpy

1009
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 1: about this movie on like John Lasseter, Sure, because I

1010
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: feel like Brenda Chapman would have, you know, not done

1011
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: that stuff. We firmly stand Brenda. Yes, we stand Brenda Chapman. Um.

1012
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: I think we have time for a few questions or

1013
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 1: comments from the audience. Oh, yes, how many nipples to be?

1014
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: The question? Was the question? I don't know off the

1015
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 1: top of my head, so I'm going to look at it.

1016
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: So I learned this recently that the number of nipples

1017
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: and animal has is dependent upon the number of offspring

1018
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 1: they generally have per litter. So bears I think generally

1019
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 1: have like maybe two or three cubs that time. I'm guessing.

1020
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: But but you double double it, so twice as many nipples?

1021
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: Is it? Do they have six? Wow? I got it

1022
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: on the first try. The way this will be edited. Um, okay,

1023
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: so six nipples is Thank you so much for your question.

1024
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 1: Any others? Yeah? Do you think the cake that was

1025
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 1: given was a bear nipple? Oh? The witch's cake? I

1026
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:35,919
Speaker 1: think that is what a bear nipple looks like. Yes,

1027
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: it's like kind of flat and like squarish and delicious,

1028
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: and if you eat a bear nipple it'll turn you

1029
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:49,919
Speaker 1: into a bear. Yeah, that is kind of Um with

1030
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: more do like with the other Bear story. It felt

1031
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 1: like that didn't need to be there at all, but

1032
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: it could have been really interestingly looked at, Like you

1033
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: end up with Mother Bear killing Patre So do you

1034
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 1: think there could have been any way to make that

1035
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 1: actually part of the story rather than just this kind

1036
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: of like oh, there's I mean there, I could have

1037
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 1: done with either a lot more or a lot less bears.

1038
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 1: It doesn't The amount of Bear is confusing to me.

1039
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: This was like there, I didn't I saw. I mean,

1040
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 1: it's like I watched the trailer. I didn't show up

1041
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: ready for Bear. There there because there's also there's another

1042
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 1: Disney movie called Brother Bear where a human turned to bear,

1043
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 1: and that movie I hope we never cover because it's

1044
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: a fucking disaster there. I've never seen it, but I have.

1045
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: That's it's a it's a it's a Phil Collins joint,

1046
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: which I do. I mean in England we stand Phil Collins,

1047
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 1: do it? We don't we fuck them? There? I know

1048
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 1: I know things. Yeah, no that I do think that

1049
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 1: like the patriarchy Bear added at the end there, and

1050
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 1: then you get this like I don't know, there's like

1051
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 1: the the fact that there were four writers on this

1052
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: movie is very obvious because everyone wasn't. I feel like

1053
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 1: maybe Patriarchy Bear was added after Brenda Chapman left because

1054
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 1: you there was even this moment where it's kind of

1055
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: it reminds me of that moment. There's a scene in

1056
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: the Rock his wife, his wife where there's like a

1057
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:27,640
Speaker 1: soldier who dies. We don't know who this soldier is.

1058
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: He's played off with like twenty seconds like a one gun.

1059
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: So they're like it's some guy and they're like, We're like,

1060
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 1: who is this guy? I felt the same way about

1061
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 1: Patriarchy Bear when his ghost appears above the Bear at

1062
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 1: the end and Meredith is like, I'm so glad you're

1063
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 1: at peace. We're like, who are I don't care about

1064
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 1: your soul? Like, who are you? He was a bad guy?

1065
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 1: He was, I again, but she's like, good for you?

1066
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 1: What the second there? I don't even know if there

1067
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 1: needed to be one Bear storyline, much less too u

1068
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: Shian in the back there so to to repeat it

1069
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 1: into the mic. The question The comment is basically because

1070
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 1: her dad permitted Mereda to go off and like do

1071
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 1: outdoorsy journeys and stuff like that, she has the wherewithal

1072
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 1: in the knowledge to know that like the berries that

1073
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 1: bear Mom tried to collect and eat for breakfast, because

1074
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 1: bare moms be making breakfast. Uh, they would have died

1075
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 1: because Mereda wouldn't have known that they were poisonous and

1076
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 1: that there were worms in the water. I can see. Yeah,

1077
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 1: point for fergus on that one not all bad. Yeah,

1078
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 1: I I agree this movie could have been called Mother Bear.

1079
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 1: The comment to summarize is, uh that when women are

1080
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,679
Speaker 1: given weapons, they're generally long range weapons as opposed to

1081
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 1: hand the hand combat, which is something that you kind

1082
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 1: of see, um, I mean in these two characters alone,

1083
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 1: which is it makes me glad that Mereda at least

1084
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 1: gets to do some sword wielding at certain points, but

1085
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: it does seem like it is still kind of an

1086
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 1: unnecessary limitation and in some ways kind of indicates there's

1087
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:25,639
Speaker 1: still some cultural weirdness around seeing women into combat hand

1088
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 1: to hand. Common women are allowed to be snipers but

1089
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 1: not have swords and knives. I would say, an exception

1090
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 1: to that, Yeah, I think that's generally very true. An

1091
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:37,600
Speaker 1: exception is one of three female characters in Lord of

1092
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 1: the Rings, a Owen that's everyone's name, that like, why

1093
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: why wasn't you and McGregor cast in this Scottish movie, right,

1094
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 1: what did he do? Maybe? Brenda Chapman was like, no,

1095
01:11:56,000 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 1: and I won't talk about it, but a Owen we

1096
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 1: alds a sword. But yeah, I would say in general

1097
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: that's totally true where women are only allowed to use

1098
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 1: long range. That's one thing Game of Thrones gets right

1099
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:15,440
Speaker 1: sometimes is that you get to see women really brutally

1100
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 1: murdering people. Gotta love it for that. A couple more

1101
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 1: questions talk for it's just factor married as a queer icon. Unfortunately,

1102
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 1: the rather terrible ABC show Once upon a Time addressed

1103
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 1: that they tried to force a romance between her and Macintosh. No, like,

1104
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 1: there was like a whole arc where because she she

1105
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:42,719
Speaker 1: didn't defend her father, who you know, big sword building

1106
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 1: triangle because she didn't defend him and he died on

1107
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 1: her watch. She was more the being queen. There was

1108
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 1: like a whole thing she'd to go and prove herself

1109
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 1: again and Bulan was involved. It's way, I had no

1110
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 1: idea all these characters were in that show. Yeah because

1111
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: it Yeah, it Disney owns ABC, so they can just

1112
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 1: do fucking weird, problematic fan fiction on their stupid show

1113
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 1: all the time. It's a mess. I didn't know there

1114
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: was ameretat that sucks them to the ground. McIntosh is

1115
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 1: the brave, hearty one. I love when people funk up

1116
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 1: their own good work. That's and I'm back. Okay, so

1117
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 1: they did have some queer relationships in there. Okay, it

1118
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: was oh good as long as it was bad and

1119
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 1: set things back. Oh god, that's brutal. Thank you for

1120
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:55,639
Speaker 1: sharing that very upsetting infoun Yeah, I think one more

1121
01:13:56,320 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 1: yes on the topic of Mere does more ark. I'd

1122
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: like to add a few more elements and here your

1123
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 1: reactions to them. It seems pretty clear that the reason

1124
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,759
Speaker 1: right how the they need to resolve their bare problem

1125
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 1: is to solve solve their issue with pride, which shows

1126
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:17,599
Speaker 1: Marrider's actions has been overly prideful. And then when they're

1127
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 1: in the ruins of the odd Castle and they see

1128
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 1: that the man who became bad Bear was trying to

1129
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: be selfish and not be part of the community, the family,

1130
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 1: and that was wrong, and this leads Merrider to then

1131
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 1: try to explain to all the lords that she's been bad,

1132
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 1: and she apologizes, as you've talked about. So the only

1133
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 1: thing that isn't embracing the patriarchal system in that moment

1134
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 1: is that she gets to choose who she wants to fuck,

1135
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 1: and that that's basically it other than that thing. And

1136
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 1: even now we've kind of learned that she only chooses

1137
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 1: amongst the free men who she had a choice of anyway, Yeah,

1138
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 1: that it still seems like she basically her faults. Her

1139
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 1: mol arc is to learn to embraset the patriarchy with

1140
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 1: slight comma that I get to choose the dick, right,

1141
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 1: and so that she doesn't become a bear. Of course,

1142
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:17,800
Speaker 1: Yeah it is, I I do. Yeah, I I have

1143
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 1: some issues with with Mereda's arc. And I also feel

1144
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 1: like when they when they do that scene and they

1145
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 1: try to set up like prideful, we'll make you into

1146
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:31,560
Speaker 1: a bad bear, like that's felt like very false equivalency,

1147
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 1: because all she's trying to do is have some ownership

1148
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 1: of what happens to her. She's not trying to inflict

1149
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 1: harm or control over literally anyone but herself. And I

1150
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 1: feel like comparing her to this prince that no one

1151
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 1: gives a funk about was kind of like, Yeah, that

1152
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 1: was just another way that I feel like the plot

1153
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:55,599
Speaker 1: subtly would punish Mereda and her mother and kind of

1154
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 1: invent this thing that Merida has to feel bad about

1155
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 1: when the only person she's trying to extraly has control

1156
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,759
Speaker 1: over is herself. She's not trying to force anything on anyone.

1157
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 1: So fuck that prince. What was that? That was too

1158
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 1: many bears? Yeah? One more question in the corner there, Yes,

1159
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 1: um So the question was how the movie represents curly

1160
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 1: hair and like the element of a wild nature and nonconformity,

1161
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 1: and how that's often tied with curly hair. So I

1162
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 1: had like made into hair and a past life, and

1163
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 1: like I had like very wild, ginger curly hair, and

1164
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 1: after a brave I grew it so it got even

1165
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 1: longer and even wilder. Um I don't know if that

1166
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: if I was influenced by that, but um, I like

1167
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 1: proper waiting for it. So I had like ginger cuddles

1168
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:52,799
Speaker 1: down to like here. It's hard to imagin hi brave,

1169
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 1: but yeah, I guess that is a good point. She

1170
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 1: is the only one to have has there been other

1171
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,120
Speaker 1: princesses that I've had, Like, I don't think so, And

1172
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 1: most of the other princesses have been white woman women

1173
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 1: and curly hair is not exclusively, but um, women of

1174
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 1: color and curly hair is there are connections there, um,

1175
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:15,679
Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, I think it's just a matter

1176
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 1: of like all the princesses in like fairytale history being

1177
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 1: white women who like various degrees of like adventurous. Uh.

1178
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 1: I don't know totally how to answer your question, but

1179
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 1: I think that it's definitely something that like, I'll be

1180
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 1: on the lookout more for. Yeah, I know that there's

1181
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 1: more written on this, and I know just with the

1182
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 1: amount of knowledge I have, I'm not qualified to really

1183
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 1: speak to it. I did kind of view that as

1184
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 1: an attempt at some sort of subversion of the princess

1185
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 1: archetype that they seem to try to be commenting on

1186
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 1: a lot of like this, you know, like where there's

1187
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: I can't really think of a princess besides Ariel whose

1188
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 1: hair isn't somehow like styled or controlled in some way,

1189
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:03,600
Speaker 1: and so it seemed like a character designed to indicate

1190
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 1: something about her. But I definitely see what you're saying,

1191
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 1: and then that's something that yeah, I would just need

1192
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 1: to do more research on, thank you sharing that up

1193
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 1: to Yeah, for sure, So does this movie pass the

1194
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 1: Bechdel test. Yes, and it passes the bark that was

1195
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 1: like a bad pun on the level that I usually do.

1196
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 1: I know I was. I was just like, wow, I

1197
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 1: didn't know I had to it anymore, Jamie, honestly brieve

1198
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 1: of you. Yes, it passes between um Merida and eleanor

1199
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 1: it passes between Merida and the witch, who isn't technically named.

1200
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 1: But I think that she's plot plot, which I think

1201
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 1: she is an important enough character because like the name

1202
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 1: Caveat is like do we see this woman for five

1203
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:54,600
Speaker 1: seconds or less? Uh? And but yeah, I think I

1204
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 1: think I would count. It doesn't pass as much as

1205
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 1: much as you would because her almost a bear for

1206
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:03,560
Speaker 1: the most of the time. I can't talk, but she is.

1207
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 1: But they are communicating, and I think that there is

1208
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 1: like I mean, bytel cast, bytel test, oh my god,

1209
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 1: bytel tests is you know, not a precise metric because

1210
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,640
Speaker 1: it wasn't designed to be that. I think that, you know, like,

1211
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 1: even though a lot of the communication between Merit and

1212
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 1: her mom are nonverbal, it's still I would absolutely the

1213
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:29,600
Speaker 1: charades bear scene counts. That's communications between female identifying characters. Yes, absolutely,

1214
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 1: bears be damned bears. They speak their own language. What

1215
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 1: would we rate this on the nipple scale zero to

1216
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 1: five nipples based on its representation of women. Um, I

1217
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 1: would give this I think a four three and a

1218
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 1: half four. I think for the time especially, it was

1219
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 1: like it was paving the way for other like feminist

1220
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 1: texts targeted at young girls to be made. I think

1221
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:55,600
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff in Handles really well. It

1222
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:58,679
Speaker 1: subverts a lot of tropes and but as we've talked about,

1223
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 1: there's some missteps in again they're probably all John Lasseter's fault. Um,

1224
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't like that, like the burden becomes

1225
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 1: is placed on Merida to have to apologize for just

1226
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 1: being like a feminist icon. That's her for seeming like

1227
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 1: patriarchy with her idea somehow. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot

1228
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 1: of weird things like that. But um, I'll split the

1229
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:26,679
Speaker 1: difference and I'll do a three point seven five. Now

1230
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 1: everyone doesn't imagine slicing a nipple like that. Uh yeah,

1231
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 1: And I will give one to bear Mom, to to Merida,

1232
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 1: and I'll give my three quarters nipple to Paddington, who

1233
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 1: should be in this movie. If you if you're going

1234
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 1: to have two Bears, Why not a third bear? Rule

1235
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 1: of threes Paddington, I'm gonna do. I was, I swear

1236
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 1: to I was thinking the exact same number that three

1237
01:20:57,240 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 1: point seven five nipples. Yeah, I mean because meeting this

1238
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 1: movie in context and on its terms for twelve, this

1239
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: was kind of the only movie of its kind that

1240
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 1: was coming out, so for all the reasons that the

1241
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 1: way that it deals with the idea of patriarchy was

1242
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,760
Speaker 1: kind of frustrating, But it does seem like there have

1243
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: been movies since that have learned from the lessons that

1244
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 1: this movie sort of taught us. And the fact that

1245
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 1: this is like one of the first female held fun

1246
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 1: the other guy who worked on it for a year

1247
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 1: and a half, don't care, is Brenda Chapman's movie, Like

1248
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 1: that is a really cool step in the right direction,

1249
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, since she left Pixar, she hasn't been able

1250
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 1: to direct another movie. So I really, really, really hope

1251
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 1: that those opportunities continue to be available. So so I'll

1252
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 1: do the only three point seven five, give two to Merita,

1253
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 1: one to one of the brothers, whichever it was your

1254
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 1: okay if uh, and then I'll give the last three

1255
01:21:57,320 --> 01:22:01,640
Speaker 1: quarters to bear Mom and how you Um, I'm not

1256
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 1: as good at maths, so I'm going to go a

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Speaker 1: solid three. I just think that it was going, you know,

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Speaker 1: relatively well until she decides she doesn't want to get married,

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Speaker 1: and then she poisons her mom. She's like, I know

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Speaker 1: what to do. I'll poison my mom. And then her

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Speaker 1: mom turns into a bear and she's like, maybe that

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Speaker 1: was too much. Maybe we could have slept on it

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Speaker 1: and spoke about things in the morning and she would

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Speaker 1: have came around, but she didn't. She's so she's a bear.

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Speaker 1: And then and then it's her fault. It's essentially it's

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Speaker 1: it's her fault that her mom's a bear, and we

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Speaker 1: forget that. She's like not like wanting to get married. Now,

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Speaker 1: she just has to change her mom back by apologizing

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Speaker 1: profusely for something that she didn't mean to do, and

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Speaker 1: then she's like borderline thinking about getting married. At the end. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like, so she also made a really irresponsible purchase

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Speaker 1: by buying all of those wood carvings. What was that

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Speaker 1: for income? Was that the plot just being like, get ready,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot more bears with this Carol. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: three nipples day. Yeah, I think that's the show, damn shows.

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Speaker 1: So thank you so much again to our guests Rachel

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Speaker 1: and Rachel and what would you like to plug? Where

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Speaker 1: can people find you online? So I'm on Instagram Rachel

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Speaker 1: and dot comedians like all these are a c h

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Speaker 1: e L A double n E. And I'm on Twitter

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Speaker 1: tweet Rachel A and r A c h E L

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Speaker 1: A double n e. Um. You can also follow my

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Speaker 1: comedy night which I run, which is in Glasgow, but

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Speaker 1: you know, if you're around, it's Ambish the salon. So

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Speaker 1: we have a sketch grip called Ambush and we run

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Speaker 1: a live home tonight and it has stand up and

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Speaker 1: sketch and all sorts of alternative feminist comedy that wouldn't

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Speaker 1: make you wins get it up for one more time

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Speaker 1: giving up for yourselves. Well, thank you so much for coming. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll be hanging out. We're gonna be selling us some

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Speaker 1: merch and taking pics. So come say hi on your

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Speaker 1: way out by coming. And that was our brave episode.

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Speaker 1: It was so much fun, our first international episode. Can

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Speaker 1: you believe? Brave of us? Brave of us? So thank

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Speaker 1: you again to our guest Rachel Anne Clark. She is wonderful,

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Speaker 1: so funny, so amazing. Thank you to the Albany in

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Speaker 1: London for hosting us, for listing us as the Women

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Speaker 1: in Film Podcast, which we have as you know, by

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Speaker 1: now officially rebranded US. Thank you to my beloved Isaac

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Speaker 1: Taylor for recording for us under duress. Oh no, I'm kidding, okay,

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Speaker 1: I was like what he volunteered and we paid him big.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Sassy for working the door checking people in

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Speaker 1: Sassi as a champion. Thank you so much, and thank

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Speaker 1: you to everyone who came and everyone who bought merch.

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Speaker 1: We are eternally grateful and we hoped to be back

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Speaker 1: in London soon and we have another live episode from

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Speaker 1: London coming out in the near future, so look forward

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Speaker 1: to that. Stay tuned. Bye,