Speaker 1: Hey guys, I just wanted to give a four warning
Speaker 1: to this week's episode of Horrible Decisions. It is like
Speaker 1: none other that you have listened to before. We will
Speaker 1: not be discussing kinks this week, nor will we be
Speaker 1: discussing really freaky kicky ship um. In fact, as many
Speaker 1: of you know, Weezy and I have been going through
Speaker 1: quite some turmoil behind the scenes, and because we have
Speaker 1: been so open with our listeners about every step of
Speaker 1: our lives, we decided let's not hide back from the truth.
Speaker 1: So we actually sat with a therapist and kind of
Speaker 1: worked out our issues with each other. We kind of
Speaker 1: preach every episode the importance of communication, and communication has
Speaker 1: not been one of the strong points between Weezy and I,
Speaker 1: and so during this episode you will listen to a
Speaker 1: lot of emotions. Um, there was tears, there was yelling.
Speaker 1: This may be a difficult one to get through, but
Speaker 1: I did want to let you know that we did
Speaker 1: come out on top. Weezy and I have actually got
Speaker 1: to our differences and made up and Horrible Decisions will continue,
Speaker 1: So if you are ready, please buckle up and enjoy
Speaker 1: this week's episode. Hey guys, um, welcome to yet another
Speaker 1: episode of horrible decisions and as you guys know, UM,
Speaker 1: we have been going through, UM, quite some turmoil over
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. We might not know, UM,
Speaker 1: a lot of people know. I think UM. There's been
Speaker 1: other podcasts that have spoken on us as a duo
Speaker 1: in this podcast. UM. There's also been quite some ster
Speaker 1: in the social media around between Instagram and Twitter. UM.
Speaker 1: We're very UM open. As you guys know, this has
Speaker 1: been a podcast where we've opened up, UM about a
Speaker 1: lot of intimate details with ourselves. And as you guys know,
Speaker 1: and as you guys have pointed out, not only on
Speaker 1: YouTube but also in the comments and in the blogs,
Speaker 1: you guys sent some tension between us. UM. So with
Speaker 1: what's been transpiring over the last two weeks, we did
Speaker 1: not want to keep you guys out of the loop.
Speaker 1: I do want to say before we start this episode
Speaker 1: that we are not going anywhere. Hopefully, UM. We are
Speaker 1: going to stand strong. I know that we have changed
Speaker 1: a lot of people's lives with this platform and we
Speaker 1: want to continue doing that. UM. But unfortunately, before we
Speaker 1: get to keep doing that, UM, there are some things
Speaker 1: that we just kind of want to work through. And
Speaker 1: we decided since we are so open um with our
Speaker 1: very intimate details within our life that we open it
Speaker 1: up and let you guys in on it. Since we
Speaker 1: have on Instagram live and our tweets and everything else,
Speaker 1: I don't feel that way. Um. I want to let
Speaker 1: everybody know that I don't feel like this should have
Speaker 1: been something that we did. I do want to say
Speaker 1: that I think that because me and you have talked
Speaker 1: about doing mediation on our own, that it's not everybody's business,
Speaker 1: but if you want to keep them in the loop.
Speaker 1: I'm only here because, like I said, you you want this,
Speaker 1: but I really don't feel like it's any always been
Speaker 1: as business at all. I'm appreciative that you're here, but
Speaker 1: I feel I take therapy very serious, and to me,
Speaker 1: this is a free therapy. And I'm more excited because
Speaker 1: you're female, excuse me, a woman and black. But I
Speaker 1: just think that I don't really care what anyone has
Speaker 1: to say about what we have going on. I care
Speaker 1: a lot about what you have to say in your feelings,
Speaker 1: and I feel like this almost makes it a little
Speaker 1: more of a mockery because we allow people to be
Speaker 1: in on something that's so personal to us as far
Speaker 1: as our business. Could it not be a mockery and
Speaker 1: and something that's actually modeled, because from what I gather
Speaker 1: and what I have had exposure to, your back and
Speaker 1: forth on social media is unprofessional. It's not kind, it's
Speaker 1: not thoughtful, and that's a mockery of the work that
Speaker 1: you do. So this is actually something altogether different. It's
Speaker 1: about trying to understand each other the underlying reasons why
Speaker 1: there is so much conflict and others can learn from it.
Speaker 1: We're not going to dig too deeply. I am here
Speaker 1: for literally just another fifty seven minutes. Sure, So before
Speaker 1: we start, let me introduce myself. My name is Dr Pettiford,
Speaker 1: but I've been referred to as I want to call
Speaker 1: myself some lady doctor some lady because I actually heard,
Speaker 1: uh the podcast that you were on the other day
Speaker 1: and you said that you would prefer for van or
Speaker 1: friend rather than some lady to provide you all with mediation,
Speaker 1: and so that to me says it on area right,
Speaker 1: what would make them more qualified? I don't think that
Speaker 1: it's necessarily about qualifications. I'm sure that you spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time with schooling and and with other people
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to help us and benefit us.
Speaker 1: But as I've said, I do really appreciate therapy, and
Speaker 1: I do feel like this is a I don't feel like.
Speaker 1: I mean, I even told Mandy last night, I don't
Speaker 1: want anyone else to be in the room with us,
Speaker 1: you know. I don't want to see a king behind you,
Speaker 1: or even Christopher sitting here, even though we work with them.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is a very private thing. So
Speaker 1: if we're going to make it a whole podcast entertaining thing,
Speaker 1: then I did want another entertainer there because to me,
Speaker 1: this is too personal. I didn't want it to be
Speaker 1: a social media thing. I don't want Instagram lives or
Speaker 1: the tweets, which was why I reacted the way I did,
Speaker 1: because I didn't want that. For many I would have
Speaker 1: wanted her to answer the phone. So no, I didn't
Speaker 1: want this to be I take your job very serious,
Speaker 1: and I feel like this podcast, it's a comedy podcast.
Speaker 1: It's not that serious, and this makes it. I don't know,
Speaker 1: egos get into it when Mike's and other people are around. Well,
Speaker 1: can we dispel with that that concept? I think that
Speaker 1: has a lot to do with the the conflict intention
Speaker 1: that you two have is egos and arrogant, And do
Speaker 1: you know the difference between arrogance and confidence. Arrogance is
Speaker 1: a false sense of confidence is a mask. And that's
Speaker 1: what I perceive is going on here because it is
Speaker 1: all fun and games, but you two are not being
Speaker 1: holy truthful with each other or your audience. However, there
Speaker 1: are times when you want to dig at each other
Speaker 1: and take it in a personal route, like with I
Speaker 1: don't know who that person, I don't know whatever it
Speaker 1: is that you mentioned the trick that was played on you,
Speaker 1: and then you get pulled in and feelings are hurt,
Speaker 1: and rather than one person calling the other, it gets
Speaker 1: completely blown out of control, right, and then we feed
Speaker 1: into it. You feed into it by even entertaining a
Speaker 1: question on another podcast, And then I mean there's let
Speaker 1: me yes, UM obviously UM upset by it because I
Speaker 1: think that what you two have is a beautiful thing. However,
Speaker 1: I think that your ego and your youth um are
Speaker 1: getting in the way. So what I would like for
Speaker 1: each of you to do is tell me in one
Speaker 1: sentence what you believe the conflict is, and please don't
Speaker 1: make it of a non sentence. Who would like to start?
Speaker 1: That's fine, I'll start um and I'll leave it at
Speaker 1: one sentence before I tell my story, but I will
Speaker 1: say that the problem that I have is the lack
Speaker 1: of respect, and I can leave it at that because
Speaker 1: I think that's the umbrella for everything. Okay, So can
Speaker 1: we see say is the perceived lack of respect and
Speaker 1: absolute lack of respect in public and in private both
Speaker 1: It's not perceived and it's been something. We talked about
Speaker 1: it before, though that was more than one sentence. We've
Speaker 1: got to listen to the rules here. It's fine. I've
Speaker 1: got to say I think you two are billiant. I, however,
Speaker 1: am not. And I'm about twenty years older than you,
Speaker 1: so my processing speed is so slow. So we're going
Speaker 1: to follow the rules, not talk over me and and
Speaker 1: one sentence, so please tell me, weezy, what in one
Speaker 1: sentence do you think the conflict is. I'll be honest,
Speaker 1: I'm I would rather listen to Mandy at this point,
Speaker 1: she's telling me that I don't respect her. She's like,
Speaker 1: it's absolute, it's a fact to me, and I don't
Speaker 1: want to make it longer than I have to. Why
Speaker 1: don't we just let Mandy maybe talk and then maybe
Speaker 1: I can respond. I don't want to keep thinking about
Speaker 1: how she feels. Because I spoke to her last night.
Speaker 1: I gave her call and I said, hey, like, how
Speaker 1: did you feel about what I said about Van? Can
Speaker 1: you tell me your feelings on that. She's like, Nope,
Speaker 1: it was wrong, blah blah blah. I thought I was
Speaker 1: as respectful as I could be. I don't feel like
Speaker 1: I said anything wrong to her or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I don't hate Mandy. I don't feel like I did
Speaker 1: respected her. So can you, Yes, you can. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the conflict. I don't. I don't know where
Speaker 1: it lies. So that's why I want to just listen.
Speaker 1: OK So just say that. Then don't put it all
Speaker 1: on Mandy, because that's not you taking ownership or having
Speaker 1: some sense of accountability. Because relationships are bi directional. Contribute
Speaker 1: to them. And I know there was something that happened
Speaker 1: I made her upset, But as far as the true conflict,
Speaker 1: what the real problem is, No, I don't. I can't
Speaker 1: answer the question. Okay, how many I'm I'm breathing. I'm breathing.
Speaker 1: I promise you I'm breathing, okay, and I will remain.
Speaker 1: You just said to me. I don't know why I'm
Speaker 1: missing the point. You need to follow my rules. You
Speaker 1: need to follow my rules, and I gotta say this.
Speaker 1: We're not doing that. All of it's from here and
Speaker 1: here because you already have it all lined out. Okay,
Speaker 1: but okay, the seats are needed. Seats are needed because
Speaker 1: what was spewed on the Vanileithen podcast in terms of
Speaker 1: her side of this away from me, and maybe we
Speaker 1: could just start. I want Mandy to feel like she
Speaker 1: has to get whatever I saw, but also I want
Speaker 1: to be able to say my piece too. Okay, Mandy,
Speaker 1: you have got to have, as a teenager, say some chill.
Speaker 1: I'm chill. I'm not even doing anything to see you are.
Speaker 1: If I ask you to stop talking, then you need
Speaker 1: to just pause. And I paused, and don't interrupt her.
Speaker 1: Let her speak her piece, because let me be the
Speaker 1: one who regulates, okay, which you are. I have not
Speaker 1: interrupted her yet when I listened back, if I interrupted her,
Speaker 1: I'll sense that my expression and face and emotions over
Speaker 1: here are showing to you. But there was nothing that
Speaker 1: came out of my mouth. I sat here and said
Speaker 1: what I said about the Van show, and she interrupted
Speaker 1: me and said, Okay, well that that's what we talked
Speaker 1: about last night, etcetera, etcetera. If you're saying that I
Speaker 1: can't sit here and show the receipts for the false
Speaker 1: things that were said, then I will not show them.
Speaker 1: I will tell you this. What's happening is I'm getting
Speaker 1: the bulk of what it is that you do with her.
Speaker 1: You don't feel heard, so you're gonna keep talking. You're
Speaker 1: gonna keep talking over me, and you're not going to
Speaker 1: listen to the rules. That's not how it works here.
Speaker 1: I want you to know that I am going to
Speaker 1: hear everything that you say, but you need to be patient.
Speaker 1: I hold you in high regard. You're not going to
Speaker 1: be ignored or disrespected by me in any way that
Speaker 1: I'm aware of. So let's go to the Van Leathan Show,
Speaker 1: because I gotta be honest with you. It was tortures
Speaker 1: for me to listen to that only because this podcast
Speaker 1: and I have no interest whatsoever in cream pies and whatever. People.
Speaker 1: I just it was painful. No, just the one. I
Speaker 1: only got sent the one. So I will tell you this, Um,
Speaker 1: there was a part in the podcast, and I think
Speaker 1: what happens with you wheezy is you're unaware of the
Speaker 1: words that you say, and then a short period after
Speaker 1: you speak, you contradict yourself. So what you said was
Speaker 1: you had no beef with Mandy, you had her back,
Speaker 1: all this positive stuff, and then you said, very distinctly,
Speaker 1: very very plainly, there was some other thing that Mandy
Speaker 1: had said on a previous podcast. So when the thing
Speaker 1: started to unfold with whomever that person was, Andrew and
Speaker 1: I still think by that, let me finish, you said
Speaker 1: something something to the effect of, well, she did it
Speaker 1: to me, so I'm okay with it happening the way
Speaker 1: that it did. Do you do you take ownership of that?
Speaker 1: I do? Can I explain why what I need for
Speaker 1: you to do? And yes, please explain why I need
Speaker 1: for you to speak slowly and be thoughtful with your words.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to be her fault with my words.
Speaker 1: So I said that because so when I was saying that,
Speaker 1: I was sitting there I had no beef with her.
Speaker 1: I didn't say anything. Immediately when I saw what happened
Speaker 1: on Twitter, how she was upset, I was like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck right? And I was thinking I didn't say anything,
Speaker 1: How could she have been as angry blah blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. So then when I finally got to talk
Speaker 1: to her, I called Mandy. I tried to hit her
Speaker 1: up every day. It was constant me trying to connect
Speaker 1: with her and talk about it. And when I finally did,
Speaker 1: she said something along the lines of like, uh, you
Speaker 1: said nothing to stop it or whatever, blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: something like that I didn't stop it, which I should have,
Speaker 1: which was a lot of the feedback I got from people,
Speaker 1: even though I didn't make the joke, I should have
Speaker 1: stopped it, And I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna stop
Speaker 1: you it right now. You're you're not answering my question.
Speaker 1: Do you take ownership of the fact that you I
Speaker 1: But to me, I'll tell you I didn't think it
Speaker 1: was a contradiction because what I said, what you just said,
Speaker 1: I said about how I had no beef with her,
Speaker 1: and I didn't say anything wrong. I didn't. But the
Speaker 1: reason that I didn't speak up or felt they need
Speaker 1: to say anything is because why would I need to
Speaker 1: come to her defense when why she says what she
Speaker 1: wants to say. So if someone else is speaking about Mandy,
Speaker 1: the only thing I should have defended was her way.
Speaker 1: Other than that, I don't know if she sucked up
Speaker 1: my Alex or not. It was a prank towards me.
Speaker 1: I still too in this moment. The only thing I
Speaker 1: could have done was maybe stopped it sooner and say,
Speaker 1: let's not talk about this. But okay, so maybe I'm
Speaker 1: not being clear. During the podcast, you said that you
Speaker 1: defended Mandy right, and then you then you said something
Speaker 1: to the effect of, well, you didn't feel like you
Speaker 1: needed to jump in because she had said something hurtful
Speaker 1: about you on a previous podcast. Can you say yes
Speaker 1: or no? Yes, Okay. What you're doing is you're talking
Speaker 1: around stuff, and so what I need for you to
Speaker 1: do is to hear what I'm saying and answer my
Speaker 1: question because you've got a gift for gap you do.
Speaker 1: You have a gift, and what it's doing is it's
Speaker 1: not a allowing you to take responsibility for the hurt
Speaker 1: that you do. I would like to take responsibility for that,
Speaker 1: but I can't tell you sincerely that I really believe
Speaker 1: she's using the word respect and I don't feel like
Speaker 1: I was disrespectful to Mandy. And maybe that's why I
Speaker 1: get very confused and keep talking about in it sounds
Speaker 1: like I'm talking in circles because I really and maybe
Speaker 1: that's because of the intent. Can you say this, Can
Speaker 1: you say that when you heard this whatever podcast however
Speaker 1: long ago that Mandy was on, you heard some content
Speaker 1: and it hurt your feelings? Yes or no? Yeah? Did
Speaker 1: you ever talk to her about that? Uh? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was in Japan. I talked to you. I text her.
Speaker 1: She told me I was tripping. Um, yeah, I did. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: But whenever you because there's so many lies that are
Speaker 1: being said right there, I didn't hit you up about
Speaker 1: I didn't hit you up. I didn't hit you up.
Speaker 1: You were upset that I sat here and said that
Speaker 1: the reason for our podcast being successful from an early
Speaker 1: start was because and how you said something. I've said
Speaker 1: something because I gave it to the fact that I
Speaker 1: was already sitting on a social media following and you
Speaker 1: felt that me saying that it wasn't just Mandy. That's
Speaker 1: a shitty thing to say when you had another podcast
Speaker 1: and you're giving no credibility to the fact that people
Speaker 1: don't okay, okay, so so mad because I didn't give
Speaker 1: her credit on another poet Then you went on another
Speaker 1: podcast and you said I was said some shit about
Speaker 1: my feminism and how I said, you contradict yourself and
Speaker 1: you're a hypocrite, which she just sat here and how
Speaker 1: home this whole week And I'm hypot about how you
Speaker 1: contradict yourself, me saying that you contradict yourself, me saying
Speaker 1: that you're a hypocrite. Those are things that I've said
Speaker 1: on our very own son. How can you really have
Speaker 1: a leg to stand on about our brand when you
Speaker 1: went online before you called me? How could you do
Speaker 1: that and look me in the face and early say
Speaker 1: that she's done? Mandy, let's take let's take a berest
Speaker 1: right now. So what I'm hearing is you admit, which
Speaker 1: is really hard for you, that someone has hurt you.
Speaker 1: You had a heart right, No, no, no no, that you
Speaker 1: were hurt by her words to me. I don't understand
Speaker 1: your generation. Talking is not texting. You were in Japan
Speaker 1: or someone was in Japan? Was the time that I
Speaker 1: connected with her? Yet? Okay, So tell me this. Did
Speaker 1: you ever have a sit down where you hashed it
Speaker 1: out and resolved it? Yes or no? No, we've called
Speaker 1: each other, that's the only we've never really said, you
Speaker 1: talked about those things. So I tried multiple times after recording. Okay,
Speaker 1: she's always too busy to say. We always tried to
Speaker 1: talk before podcast, and I said, listen, wheezy, when we
Speaker 1: talked before shows, it affects the content. I'm not talking
Speaker 1: to you before a show. This has been at least
Speaker 1: the last couple of times we've record. Only tell me
Speaker 1: you were doing another show. That's the only time that
Speaker 1: you wanted to sit with me. Okay that I do
Speaker 1: want to say, um doctor, that what she is saying
Speaker 1: as far as what I said on the other podcast,
Speaker 1: her being upset with me that I sat here and
Speaker 1: gave credit to our quick success early is the fact
Speaker 1: that I had another podcast and the fact that I
Speaker 1: was sitting on a large social media following is me
Speaker 1: not stroking her ego. So sorry that I people are
Speaker 1: here with millions of followers in their podcast sucks. I
Speaker 1: think it's not me and you don't think it's our dynamic.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's so discrediting to what I
Speaker 1: do with you. Okay, but but listen, do you hear
Speaker 1: what she said? She's finally thank you, admitting that she
Speaker 1: felt discredited. And I've got to tell you, Mandy, beautiful, smart, lovely,
Speaker 1: you have to be not so itchy scratchy with your words,
Speaker 1: meaning don't take all the credit. And I didn't. The
Speaker 1: interview was about me. They asked me about my my
Speaker 1: podcast before, they asked me about my blog that I had, before,
Speaker 1: they asked me about starting the podcast, how it started.
Speaker 1: There was a whole conversation. I felt like, absolutely for people, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I got it, and that to me is not Let's
Speaker 1: just say this, Yes, take some credit for yourself, but
Speaker 1: if you're about building a brand, and if you're about
Speaker 1: being professional and maintaining a relationship, you need to soften
Speaker 1: it and also give credit for where you are. You're
Speaker 1: not the this. We we have five thousand listeners at
Speaker 1: this time, we weren't where we are now. We were
Speaker 1: where we are now because of Charlemagne andrew On brilliant idiots.
Speaker 1: You have got to stop saying that as well. We
Speaker 1: have got that is fine, but we have also put
Speaker 1: in a whole lot of work as listenership. Are we
Speaker 1: really not going to give that credit? No, we can
Speaker 1: absolutely give them credit. But that's a problem that I
Speaker 1: think that you have. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't care about them, I don't know what. Can
Speaker 1: we not talk about it? I'm closing. Okay, So this
Speaker 1: is what we're gonna do going forward. We're not calling names. Seriously,
Speaker 1: you two have had conflicts and some dude in Orlando.
Speaker 1: You're telling me that you have not learned anything from
Speaker 1: that time, from then till now. I'm sorry your feelings
Speaker 1: are hurt, but I have no no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: That's not how you talk to people. You don't say
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, your feelings are hurt and then a butt.
Speaker 1: I'm just having a hard time trying to express empathy
Speaker 1: when you go on Live saying that you want to
Speaker 1: fight me. You know my number, you know where I live,
Speaker 1: you know where work? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let me tell
Speaker 1: you something of this? No, not, no, no, wheezy, what
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Really? This is since our conflict.
Speaker 1: This okay, okay, so Paust for a second, let let
Speaker 1: us address this. First of all, you're both in your twenties.
Speaker 1: You both work at these whatever whatever, what great businesses
Speaker 1: whatever you're both making. I hear about it. Six figures.
Speaker 1: Tell me why you're acting like your street doctor, I
Speaker 1: will sit here and please, yes, and that's fine? So
Speaker 1: what what? What was fine? No? I'm no, I'm You
Speaker 1: said please and I said fine. As then I'm going
Speaker 1: to sit here and explain myself. There's no explanation for
Speaker 1: threatening violence. I did not threaten violence. That is not
Speaker 1: what was said. And she was not on my life
Speaker 1: to hear that. Whether that was the message that would
Speaker 1: let me sit here and say exactly what I said
Speaker 1: at this point. This was after a text message that
Speaker 1: I had received to her where instead of apologizing to
Speaker 1: me because she now saw how hurt I was, I gotta.
Speaker 1: We don't like each other anyways. Fuck you go do
Speaker 1: your own show and their screens. You said that one moment,
Speaker 1: one moment, one moment, one moment, you were trashed for
Speaker 1: telling me to get my own shows. She's super trash
Speaker 1: and you told me that I need to worry about
Speaker 1: our brand of the first thing you did was not
Speaker 1: that the phone on Twitter. Stop let me know, but
Speaker 1: don't trying to sit here and tell my my side.
Speaker 1: I have not gotten to say anything about Mike. Okay,
Speaker 1: can I can I just say this? Yes? Take it
Speaker 1: down all right here? Probably, And I say that because
Speaker 1: I need for you to be calm. That's the only
Speaker 1: way in which the message will be heard, because otherwise
Speaker 1: all I'm hearing is noise. Both the narrative that is
Speaker 1: being put out is that I did not reach out
Speaker 1: to Alex or Wheezy about how I felt prior to
Speaker 1: going to social media. It's being narrated that I went
Speaker 1: straight to social media before speaking to both of them.
Speaker 1: I will sit here and say, Alex ignored my message.
Speaker 1: Alex is the cameraman that I apparently sucked for video
Speaker 1: that this keep us. Can you translate that for me?
Speaker 1: What is fun for video means? So that's what was
Speaker 1: part of the joke, part of the prank that was
Speaker 1: insinuated about me on top of meet him fucking fifty
Speaker 1: pounds off of my way, I just had the gastric sleep,
Speaker 1: So wait, jokes was not funny to me. Secondly, there
Speaker 1: was an insinuation about us paying him a low amount
Speaker 1: of money because I was making up for it by
Speaker 1: fucking him for our video. This is what the prank was,
Speaker 1: and this is what the joke was. I take this
Speaker 1: business and what I've done for this show very seriously.
Speaker 1: So what that joke and tell whether it was a
Speaker 1: prank or not, whether it's about him sucking me. I
Speaker 1: put a lot into horrible decisions. I edit our episodes.
Speaker 1: I've sat here and reached out to brands. I've done
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I've done a lot for this show. So yes,
Speaker 1: as someone who is a feminist, for her to be
Speaker 1: in a group of men where they're insinuating that's fine,
Speaker 1: that that I've fucked for our video, and for the
Speaker 1: narrative to also be brought to another podcast that we
Speaker 1: landed on loudspeaker because of who she may or may
Speaker 1: not have fucked. As a woman who has worked hard
Speaker 1: for this brand and who has not slept her way
Speaker 1: to get anything and has busted her ass, I genuinely
Speaker 1: felt disrespected. From a business standpoint, me and Weezy are
Speaker 1: not friends, and that's fine. So the respect that I'm
Speaker 1: talking about doesn't have to be from a personal friendship level,
Speaker 1: but as your business partner. To laugh in a room
Speaker 1: of people making that joke and to not stop that,
Speaker 1: I felt like it was detrimental to me as a
Speaker 1: person who's trying to build her brand and detrimental to
Speaker 1: horrible decisions. Okay, so then you're you're you are contradicting yourself.
Speaker 1: You're saying, on the one hand, you don't care on
Speaker 1: a personal level, it's just business. But you're saying that
Speaker 1: it does affect you on personal level. It affects me
Speaker 1: on it affects me personally in my own brand. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying me. I would like I would like
Speaker 1: for you to own the fact that it does affect
Speaker 1: you personally, because when people speak about us in a
Speaker 1: disparaging manner, it's hurtful. Yes, yes, okay, so forget you too,
Speaker 1: being BFF or whatever the terminology is. You go way back,
Speaker 1: and so there's a bit of loyalty that is owed
Speaker 1: to that history, and you don't feel as though that's
Speaker 1: being honored. No, And I, given what I've heard, is
Speaker 1: that you have some unresolved issues anger issues towards her,
Speaker 1: and so you are more apt to allow those disparaging
Speaker 1: comments to be made. I will say that yes or no,
Speaker 1: but okay, fine, no, but yes absolutely. I feel like
Speaker 1: the respect was me not entertaining it. And if I
Speaker 1: was in a room privately with no not miked uff
Speaker 1: with cameras, I wouldn't have This is the thing I
Speaker 1: feel like if Mandy was in that room without if
Speaker 1: guys were talking about me, she would join in with
Speaker 1: that stuffs up, not miked up. This is how Let
Speaker 1: me just get just just get let me let me
Speaker 1: get this out. No, no no, no, no no. I would
Speaker 1: never talk about Mandy without without phones, without cameras. I
Speaker 1: would Their respect I gave her that day was the same.
Speaker 1: I would give you a private doing what you're doing.
Speaker 1: It's called a rationalization. You're making an excuse for your behavior.
Speaker 1: Right now you're talking. I still own that. I don't
Speaker 1: feel like you deserved me to do anything else, not
Speaker 1: the person you've been to me. Let me finish. You're
Speaker 1: rationalizing your behavior by coming up with the hypothetical it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It's fine. What she does in my face,
Speaker 1: then there's no rationality there. What she's done in my face?
Speaker 1: What you do? You do? What you do? What you do?
Speaker 1: With going on these podcasts, it's like shopping all over
Speaker 1: the room. And you're not just shopping all over the room,
Speaker 1: you're shopping all over your brand the podcasts, Yes you do.
Speaker 1: How did I shoot on our brand? When she went
Speaker 1: on talking all the about every single person, we didn't,
Speaker 1: I said, I could not say you right now because
Speaker 1: of the angel way finger that I felt to me,
Speaker 1: I said, and the way that the way that I
Speaker 1: know we speak and clearly you like this is. We
Speaker 1: tried this on Sunday, which, by the way, was the
Speaker 1: first time you called me since Thursday. Okay since Thursday,
Speaker 1: I called you every day since day. I called you.
Speaker 1: I asked, can I talk to you? Can I talk
Speaker 1: to you? I called you on the phone on top
Speaker 1: now you text stop talking now, so no, stop stop.
Speaker 1: That is unnecessary. That is unnecessary. Excuse me. I didn't
Speaker 1: go you until no, no, no, no, no stop stop.
Speaker 1: You each want to be the queen of nothing. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to be over. I don't want to argue.
Speaker 1: Well then, well then you need to pause. You need
Speaker 1: to be more mindful, and you need to take ownership
Speaker 1: because you speak, in my observation, without thinking. You let
Speaker 1: words come out of your mouth that contradict previous words,
Speaker 1: and you're not You don't take accountability. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: the accountability I need to take for what I did
Speaker 1: I grant? What do? What did I do? What is
Speaker 1: the accountability that everybody wants me to take? I should
Speaker 1: have debt the joke, yes, and you should have also
Speaker 1: owned with Mandy the fact that you're pissed from the
Speaker 1: past and that I said that I was very really
Speaker 1: trying to be honest in the moment, and now I
Speaker 1: feel like your honesty is only half honest, how because
Speaker 1: you're not speaking truthfully by saying situation in front of
Speaker 1: saying that you would defend your girl, your partner, but
Speaker 1: at the same time, you're okay when people disrespect her
Speaker 1: because you have previous booth. See, here's the thing. I
Speaker 1: don't know to ever disrespect and that's what I feel like.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what's happening. I didn't feel like I
Speaker 1: did that, and I still know. What I'm saying to
Speaker 1: you and you're not listening is that you need to
Speaker 1: think before you speak. You have a habit of just
Speaker 1: defending yourself as though your life depended on it. So
Speaker 1: I'm humble enough to say what I'm wrong, and I
Speaker 1: can understand again you're not. You have to pause because
Speaker 1: you're not taking most of what I'm saying in because
Speaker 1: you need to respond right away to defend yourself because
Speaker 1: you need to be right and you're not always right.
Speaker 1: And that's okay. I don't think. It's not about being right.
Speaker 1: I just don't want it to be misconstrued. Okay, so
Speaker 1: if you give pause for a second, allow yourself to
Speaker 1: digest it, maybe the words that you say will not
Speaker 1: be misconstrued. Okay, Well, what do you want me to speak?
Speaker 1: I want? I want, I want. This is an exercise
Speaker 1: and your ability to just have some verbal chill, which
Speaker 1: you don't have. And that's what I meant by you're
Speaker 1: going on these other podcasts shipping all over the room.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a clinical and not so clinical term,
Speaker 1: which is that you're making a mess everywhere you go.
Speaker 1: You create chaos. What other podcasts you're talking about that
Speaker 1: moment when the prank was played, That and Van Show
Speaker 1: and if you have I asked Van if Mandy wanted
Speaker 1: that cut out, to take it out, I'd asked him
Speaker 1: if you discussed this, I didn't want to do that.
Speaker 1: But this, this is the thing, This is a thing.
Speaker 1: It didn't even need to be edited because it shouldn't
Speaker 1: have been said as a professional, as a person who's
Speaker 1: trying protect your brand and have some sense of loyalty
Speaker 1: to your girl from back in the day, whether or
Speaker 1: not you currently like her. You don't even answer the question.
Speaker 1: You don't entertain it. You could ask me a million questions.
Speaker 1: You can ask me a million questions. I can understand
Speaker 1: that the onus is on me whether or not I
Speaker 1: want to answer it. Okay, I will. I will agree
Speaker 1: with you on that I could have dead it that
Speaker 1: so by doing but I didn't want to. And that's
Speaker 1: where the nastiness comes out. But I'll tell you why
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like it was because I said nothing
Speaker 1: bad about Mandy. I wished her nothing but good. I said,
Speaker 1: I wanted us to stay together. I said, we're stronger
Speaker 1: together about what I did to her. You you, you're
Speaker 1: constantly undermining any kind of positive regard that you want
Speaker 1: to express to her on Van Show just now with
Speaker 1: your words. I said to you, if you could not
Speaker 1: have said it, would you have edited it? And you
Speaker 1: said yes, And and you said, well no, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: know because not that I was saying yes, I'm agreeing
Speaker 1: with you that yes, I could have debd it. I
Speaker 1: could have, but did I want to know because I
Speaker 1: wanted people to know that I didn't have ill feelings
Speaker 1: towards her. Mandy had been on live every night talking
Speaker 1: about me going on Instagram. So I wanted people to
Speaker 1: know that I didn't harbor those emotions for her. Fun people, person,
Speaker 1: I can't say people were here. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be here. I'd rather be with you in private. Me
Speaker 1: excuse me? Fuck people. You don't owe them an explanation.
Speaker 1: You don't owe them an apology, and you don't know
Speaker 1: if I don't know them an explanation, why are we here?
Speaker 1: You owe it to her, And I wanted her to
Speaker 1: hear me say that on a public platform. Excuse me.
Speaker 1: The public platform is not someone else's podcast. It's right.
Speaker 1: It was in the moment. It was a question, it's
Speaker 1: not you want to. That's why I'm going back to
Speaker 1: your ego being bigger than you can actually contain. Right now,
Speaker 1: you need to be more thoughtful and meditative as opposed
Speaker 1: to speaking quickly. Okay, can I so before we because
Speaker 1: I've been real quiet. I know and I know you're
Speaker 1: gonna be in the hot seat soon. That's fine. What
Speaker 1: I need for you to do is to apologize to
Speaker 1: her directly for what can I be honest? And that's
Speaker 1: why I don't know. No, I don't want an apology
Speaker 1: because I'll be honest with you. I don't. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: you were hurt, but I'm not. I don't want that's
Speaker 1: what I'm sorry for it? Then don't. I don't want.
Speaker 1: I don't want to give an apology. Wheezy. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you a question. How many close friends do you
Speaker 1: have in your life? And don't tell me the you
Speaker 1: know the people that who are her cast and a
Speaker 1: close first that person, no, be real with me. Someone
Speaker 1: who is your writer die you call them when you're
Speaker 1: feeling fucked up. My mom is one. Four Your mom
Speaker 1: doesn't count. Okay, so three and you want to know
Speaker 1: how they felt about this what happened? Absolutely not. I
Speaker 1: just I don't care about what their thoughts are about
Speaker 1: this interaction. I care about how it is that you
Speaker 1: interact with them when there's conflict, not like I'm interacting
Speaker 1: with many. I didn't ask you that when I don't
Speaker 1: really have conflict with close friends because we're really communicative. Um,
Speaker 1: we call each other a lot anytime there's an issue.
Speaker 1: We don't really hold water with each other to make
Speaker 1: sure that it's not spilled, and we have long length
Speaker 1: conversations about our feelings. Okay, so how long have you
Speaker 1: known these three people, one for twelve years, the other
Speaker 1: for five five years, the other two for five years.
Speaker 1: And so how is it that you can't utilize those
Speaker 1: same communication skills with Mandy because she doesn't give them
Speaker 1: to me? And I feel no, no, no no. I
Speaker 1: asked you that you see what you do? You're so tricky.
Speaker 1: I would I would charge you double what i'd usually
Speaker 1: pay because you're you just switch her out. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to switch it. I'm being honest with you. That's
Speaker 1: how I feel. They don't. We don't talk to each
Speaker 1: other like me, like Mandy talks to me. Why I
Speaker 1: don't excuse me. What you're doing again is you're constantly
Speaker 1: deflecting and making it about Mandy as opposed to you.
Speaker 1: Just ask me, why don't I do it with her?
Speaker 1: I said, why don't you do it with her? I
Speaker 1: didn't say, what does she do? Because I'm giving the
Speaker 1: same energy that she's giving me. My friends are very
Speaker 1: sounds very lame, all right, That's what it is. My
Speaker 1: friends are speak Do you take any responsibility for the
Speaker 1: fact that that was one of the friends from five
Speaker 1: years is a therapist as well? I don't like it's relevant.
Speaker 1: My point My point is that the way in which
Speaker 1: you just responded was so quick and immature. She doesn't
Speaker 1: do it to me. What do we in middle school?
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna ask you again talk about it from
Speaker 1: your own person. It's not me trying to be immature.
Speaker 1: If it's If it makes me immature, then I will
Speaker 1: take that. I can't give Mandy that same communicative the
Speaker 1: skills you're talking about, because I feel like when I
Speaker 1: talked to her it turns into this. So why am
Speaker 1: I going to talk to her like I talked to
Speaker 1: my other friends. I've tried to get those long length
Speaker 1: texts and be nice, asked for conversations, and they don't work.
Speaker 1: So you feel like there's no reciprocity. Yes, you are
Speaker 1: entitled to your feelings, Mandy. You can shake your head no,
Speaker 1: but you can't. But you cannot take away from her
Speaker 1: subjective feelings, just like you don't want her to do
Speaker 1: the same for you, which is okay, that was probably
Speaker 1: a better I couldn't get that out, but that's that's
Speaker 1: what it is. If I do it, I feel like
Speaker 1: I don't get it back. Yes, it's not reciprocated. Um,
Speaker 1: Mandy has even there was one conversation, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if you know what I'm talking about. If you
Speaker 1: can remember, Mandy was angry about something I said, and
Speaker 1: I told her, I'm really sorry. I didn't mean to
Speaker 1: do this. Blah blah blah. She hung up the phone
Speaker 1: on me. She called me back and she said, you
Speaker 1: know what, I shouldn't have hung up on you. I
Speaker 1: was like, I was really sorry. She's like, I think
Speaker 1: when you're what you say is phony. I think the
Speaker 1: things you're doing is phony. She's like, and I shouldn't
Speaker 1: have done that. And I really, in the moment when
Speaker 1: I apologized, her meant it. And I appreciated that so
Speaker 1: much because I think that she assumes when I speak
Speaker 1: to her this way, it's phony. But what would have
Speaker 1: been phony is me saying sorry. Because I do still
Speaker 1: feel like I can't understand, which is why I asked
Speaker 1: Mandy to speak first, because I want to greet it. Sweetie,
Speaker 1: you don't want to get it. That's that's for the thing,
Speaker 1: that's for the therapist. You don't want to get it.
Speaker 1: I think that you why do you think I don't
Speaker 1: want to get to think that you've dug a hole
Speaker 1: for yourself so much and you have so much bravada
Speaker 1: to defend, and that you are not allowing yourself. Are
Speaker 1: you looking at me like that? She's not looking at you,
Speaker 1: she's looking at the cry whatever. It's so hard to
Speaker 1: look at you. You're talking about fighting me like stop, okay,
Speaker 1: stops later the victim, imlay victim. She's talking to me.
Speaker 1: Are you fucking kidding me? Mandy? You wear the whole charade.
Speaker 1: You're the reason we're sitting here, sitting here, I have
Speaker 1: not I have not. Fucking God, bro, Okay, I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't do this. Yes you can and you will.
Speaker 1: All you do is ship on me, retweet all these
Speaker 1: people that agree with you. It's so fucking cheesy. You
Speaker 1: talking about Nicki Minaj. You are Nicki Minaj. Bro, you
Speaker 1: dug this hole. You cried on the sea, you talk
Speaker 1: about you. I can't believe you're doing this. Every time
Speaker 1: you get mad, you talked about doing another show. That's
Speaker 1: the only reason I said, get your own. You always
Speaker 1: do it and wait wait wait wait, and so that's
Speaker 1: woa wia woa. So but that's your issue, isn't it
Speaker 1: that God that's so mad at me? I'm not using
Speaker 1: you away. You fucking always talked about how you want
Speaker 1: to do something else than do it. Don't be hearing me.
Speaker 1: If you don't want to wheezy will be wheezy. So
Speaker 1: the fact that she keeps threatening you, I'm not. I
Speaker 1: don't threaten to leave. I say I want to create
Speaker 1: another show, and I said that all the okay, I
Speaker 1: want to do it. Stop stop stop stop when you're
Speaker 1: mad you do that. No, I'm not. I came to
Speaker 1: a king month way even look me in the face
Speaker 1: the fucking day you told me that. Are you serious?
Speaker 1: You were like you said, I hate working with her,
Speaker 1: I hate doing this. Your hilarious side is that is
Speaker 1: that a verific can We didn't chifiable. You didn't know
Speaker 1: that this is verifiable. We bring a king and that
Speaker 1: and I can't have Alex not you do this to me?
Speaker 1: All he not my best friend? This was okay, so
Speaker 1: step a king, okay, would not stay here aside. So
Speaker 1: I've been speaking to Yes, I've been speaking to multiple
Speaker 1: pull of my friends as well as the network about
Speaker 1: doing another show. Okay, we do that before we started,
Speaker 1: way everone way before we started okay, so wait wait
Speaker 1: wait wayforea okay, so this is this is another. Another
Speaker 1: reason why there's so much tension and conflict is because
Speaker 1: you feel betrayed. I can wait wait no, no, let
Speaker 1: me finish. This is a this is a clinical interpretation. Okay,
Speaker 1: you feel betrayed Wheezy that she's going to go on
Speaker 1: her own and quite frankly, I heard you say on
Speaker 1: the Fish on this podcast that either one of you
Speaker 1: could be gone. It's about the brand. The brand, okay,
Speaker 1: so stop stops up. So the reality is I don't
Speaker 1: care what you all say. It's the brand is nothing
Speaker 1: without the two of you. I agree with. That's magic.
Speaker 1: It's for either of us if I left it, she said,
Speaker 1: audition to replace me? So stop why not? It would
Speaker 1: be fine love for horrible decisions, okay, okay, talking about you,
Speaker 1: we're gonna leave, You're okay, so okay we can so
Speaker 1: I can't think of what I'm gonna do it, but
Speaker 1: you can sit here and talk about that. Why we
Speaker 1: can't talk? No, no, no, that's where it gets where.
Speaker 1: And I can't plan. B when you were saying you
Speaker 1: wanted to leave and talk, when you just called me
Speaker 1: Sunday to sit here and say I called you and
Speaker 1: I did call. Stop stop stop stop. Can you too,
Speaker 1: just stop? You're so afraid that one is gonna leave
Speaker 1: the other. God, can't you just admit that ship? You're
Speaker 1: giving me a fucking headache? How does anyone anyone come
Speaker 1: in here and enjoy themselves? Don't answer that, it's rhetorical.
Speaker 1: Both of you are like hurt sisters. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: You're like sisters, and sisters fight all the time. You
Speaker 1: cannot cannot cope with the fact that both of you
Speaker 1: have talents that can go outside of this place, and
Speaker 1: you're fearful that this, the core where you started, is
Speaker 1: gonna go to ship. You're afraid to be left. You're
Speaker 1: afraid to be left. You keep saying, no, I disagree
Speaker 1: with you. I disagree with you. So I haven't been
Speaker 1: able to say anything about hey, how I felt at
Speaker 1: all um and furthermore, when I spoke on bringing the show,
Speaker 1: and this is where I also feel like there's an
Speaker 1: agenda to make me okay, okay, okay. I won't go
Speaker 1: that route. I won't go that route on this post.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm thinking, I'm gonna think this. This is
Speaker 1: your time right now. It just needs you to listen.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be so mindful of your words. I will,
Speaker 1: I will, I will do not be accusatory. No, that's fine,
Speaker 1: that's fine. UM, speak about your feelings. I don't want
Speaker 1: to hear my news. Okay, So if we go back
Speaker 1: to the feelings I think I shared on on how
Speaker 1: I felt UM when I heard the joke which has
Speaker 1: spared a lot of this. Okay, can I brought I
Speaker 1: brought that to you. Can we can we fast forward
Speaker 1: and we fast forward to that. UM. I shared my
Speaker 1: feelings with both Wheezy and Alex in a text while
Speaker 1: it was going on. I was called while this joke
Speaker 1: was going on. UM. I was relayed by Andrew that hey,
Speaker 1: we're saying a prank that you fucked Alex. Okay, can
Speaker 1: you stop with that. I'm hearing you. I get it.
Speaker 1: Your feelings were hurt. Yes, I gotta ask you, do
Speaker 1: you think it is wise to lash out on social media?
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not asking you about what Wheezy does.
Speaker 1: I'm asking you about this live snapchat. These tweets. Tell
Speaker 1: me what was your intention? Answer the question? The intention
Speaker 1: of me going on to social media, which the Twitter,
Speaker 1: which is where I spewed UM, how I felt was
Speaker 1: too I would say, essentially to clear my name. At
Speaker 1: this point, this was UM about four or five o'clock
Speaker 1: in the afternoon, so the show had been aired and
Speaker 1: my mentions on social media, my Instagram, Alex's name was
Speaker 1: added up and down. Oh you smashed that you're using
Speaker 1: that blue choo on that Alex tapped that all through
Speaker 1: my comments. So when I went onto Twitter, I want
Speaker 1: to clear my name and let it be known. At
Speaker 1: A I did not funk that man B I did
Speaker 1: definitely did not do it for for video time. And thirdly,
Speaker 1: I thought it was disrespectful that people who are a
Speaker 1: part of the Horrible Decisions brand sat there and laughed
Speaker 1: and let it and let it go on. That That's
Speaker 1: what I did with social media, Okay, So can you
Speaker 1: admit that it wasn't just about clearing your name. It
Speaker 1: was also to say why I felt the way I felt.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't only about clearing my name. The other
Speaker 1: agenda was The other agenda was to sit here and
Speaker 1: share how I did not think it was a joke.
Speaker 1: I need for you to speak more truthfully. That's one
Speaker 1: layer underneath that. What was your spewing, as you said
Speaker 1: on social media about UM if are we going back
Speaker 1: to are we going into the lives now or still
Speaker 1: on Twitter? Because that's all it was. And then me
Speaker 1: and Alex went back and forth. I'm asking you, uh
Speaker 1: you said social media. There's two points that she's brought up.
Speaker 1: The Twitter, which is where I brought up, and then
Speaker 1: the Instagram where I sat here and allegedly said I
Speaker 1: would be her ass, which was not what I said.
Speaker 1: I sat here and said because they asked have me
Speaker 1: in her talk? Why don't you go to Wheezy? So
Speaker 1: my response to that was at this point, she had
Speaker 1: already responded with the funk you we don't like each
Speaker 1: other anyway to get your own show. Okay, it's in
Speaker 1: the texts. Stop stop stop stop? What was your agenda?
Speaker 1: Speak plainly? So my agenda was to sit here and
Speaker 1: share why I spewed what I did. No, you're not
Speaker 1: answering my question. Was it to say fuck you? Too easy?
Speaker 1: Was it was my agenda to say fuck you to Weezy? No?
Speaker 1: I don't. You can sit here and not think I
Speaker 1: was truthful. But at this point I'm very upset with
Speaker 1: how people who are a part of my brand just
Speaker 1: treated me treated me on a public platform, and so
Speaker 1: what my agenda was to do was to sit here
Speaker 1: and actually show those emotions and sit here and say
Speaker 1: that yes I wasn't, and to sit here and clear
Speaker 1: my name and UM say no. So so say it
Speaker 1: was retaliatory. Yeah, no, I don't. I would not say
Speaker 1: it was retalent tory. She went on. She went on
Speaker 1: to apply, we're not talking about her. We're not talking
Speaker 1: about her, we don't. We don't have to talk about her.
Speaker 1: That that show gets a quarter million listens. I gotta
Speaker 1: tell you. That's fine if you don't care. But it wasn't.
Speaker 1: But tell me it was any bit of what you
Speaker 1: put out there to her her feelings to herr feelings. No,
Speaker 1: she knows exactly how the funk I feel about her.
Speaker 1: So then why didn't you text it to me? Why
Speaker 1: did you do it? On? I absolutely texted to I
Speaker 1: sent her to I have. I have screenshots here which
Speaker 1: I can't pull out. That's fine. I did bring them
Speaker 1: because I sat here and shared my thoughts about how
Speaker 1: I did not think it was a joke. And her
Speaker 1: response to me was no. Her response to me was,
Speaker 1: let me finished. Can I finished? I let you talk.
Speaker 1: Her response to me was it didn't even feel real.
Speaker 1: Um and but okay, so wait wait wait, not only
Speaker 1: did it not feel real, she said between Joe Button
Speaker 1: and flagrant going on the Brilliant Idiots feed, this is
Speaker 1: great week week and it was because to me, To me,
Speaker 1: the fact that content and us getting numbers was weighed
Speaker 1: above how I would have tell you that here it would?
Speaker 1: I know? How about this? You never heard him? Maybe
Speaker 1: I didn't know you would be a podcast? So how
Speaker 1: about you knew I would be mad because you asked Andrews.
Speaker 1: I did, but I didn't know you were going to react.
Speaker 1: And I did ask him to take it out. But
Speaker 1: you still okay? So eazy? Didn't you know that she would?
Speaker 1: She had a negative response that she her feelings would
Speaker 1: be her Yeah, and he took things out. I asked
Speaker 1: him to know, Yes he did. Don't tell me that
Speaker 1: you are in the room. Yes he did. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you something. If you had that much power about
Speaker 1: what it is that he edits out? No, I don't
Speaker 1: have that much power stop it. He wouldn't take the
Speaker 1: stop it. I couldn't even get him to take out
Speaker 1: something I said incriminating a guy that I past. So
Speaker 1: how about this? I asked him to take out things
Speaker 1: I thought would be hurt and he would not remove
Speaker 1: the rest of it. He said, I'd have to take
Speaker 1: out the old episode and it was going forward. Would
Speaker 1: you do the same? There is no when Why did
Speaker 1: she when she well, it's because can you say I
Speaker 1: thought Mandy would be a jokingly funny like fuck y'all,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. I never thought she would do that
Speaker 1: for cameras. It wasn't it. No, can I say? Can
Speaker 1: I say to me? This is the analysis talk about
Speaker 1: west on our show? We talk about fine. Everything we
Speaker 1: talking about on my way and me fucking married men
Speaker 1: has nothing to do. You talked about sucking for things.
Speaker 1: That's fine. I will don't here if that's why I
Speaker 1: didn't think she would be mad not letting me finish,
Speaker 1: and why this is why I've sat here and gave
Speaker 1: me I gave you the floor for good damn near
Speaker 1: fucking twenty five minutes and didn't say a thing. You know,
Speaker 1: this is what happens when this is why we cannot
Speaker 1: talk and I tell her, she she listens to respond,
Speaker 1: She doesn't listen to listen. She literally said she wanted
Speaker 1: to call me to understand how she felt, why I
Speaker 1: felt the way I felt about everything when you finished,
Speaker 1: let me finish. As soon as I picked up her
Speaker 1: call on Sunday, This air Thursday. This is our first
Speaker 1: time talking. We spoke on Sunday three four days later,
Speaker 1: but before I could get a word, she said, listen,
Speaker 1: before you talk, I need to let you know. And
Speaker 1: she goes on for about four minutes. So you did
Speaker 1: not call to understand how I felt or why I
Speaker 1: took everything away as you called me to clear clear
Speaker 1: And I get right, I get it, I get it,
Speaker 1: get it, weren't wrong. And I O, well that you
Speaker 1: not wanting to know about my feelings. Bro no and
Speaker 1: and and wheezy when you say, well, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a good week, our numbers are gonna be up. And
Speaker 1: that's that's that also undermines the relationship professional and personal.
Speaker 1: That's how I took it, because you're more concerned. And
Speaker 1: actually I don't think you're more concerned with I think
Speaker 1: you have difficulty owning when you suck up. You have
Speaker 1: difficulty owning when you hurt people. You have difficulty owning
Speaker 1: that your communication skills are not great and can be
Speaker 1: I don't agree with you Okay, so myr communications so
Speaker 1: many are poor. Yeah, okay. So when you call her,
Speaker 1: rather than to deal with the hard stuff her feelings,
Speaker 1: what you say is to get around it, oh girl,
Speaker 1: or nobody's gonna be up. No, no, no, what she's
Speaker 1: saying when I called her, when I talked about me? Okay,
Speaker 1: So that was just that was reaction. So how about this,
Speaker 1: How about the fact that you didn't do what you
Speaker 1: know needed to be done, Lawrence, an apology because when
Speaker 1: you called her up, you didn't ask about her feelings.
Speaker 1: You made it about you one thousands stop. Sorry, I
Speaker 1: don't think that hard. I'm not trying to think hard
Speaker 1: for you to take ownership and apologize for that. Don't
Speaker 1: tell me you don't have any empathy about that. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to not apologize for that. Say, okay, I
Speaker 1: apologize for whoa whoa. Open your eyes m hm, open
Speaker 1: your eyes and look at her, because she's actually making
Speaker 1: a genuine apology. I apologize for that call because I
Speaker 1: know when I called you, in my mind, I was
Speaker 1: reading what you were thinking happened, what you saying that
Speaker 1: I was disrespecting you, And all I wanted to do
Speaker 1: is let you know that's not what I meant. I
Speaker 1: wanted you to know that. I asked Andrew to take
Speaker 1: things out because I thought that would know and it
Speaker 1: was wrong what I did. I should have asked you,
Speaker 1: and I did that because I felt bade wheezy. You
Speaker 1: talked too fast, you talked too much. Go back to
Speaker 1: what you just said. I was sorry for that, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for that. You do not apologize to me,
Speaker 1: because that would have never happened to me. Apologize to her.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for calling you and talking about me first.
Speaker 1: Let us stick. It took minutes to get here. I
Speaker 1: will tell you this, if I were running Ellison, you
Speaker 1: both be gone. I can't. I would not entertain the shenanigans,
Speaker 1: the buffoonery. It's unnecessary. There are other people out in there,
Speaker 1: out in the world who are just as talented as you.
Speaker 1: It is too much of a fucking headache to listen
Speaker 1: to this because you cannot take ownership for something so simple.
Speaker 1: This is about you talk about female empowerment. You can't
Speaker 1: even look each other in the face and apologize for
Speaker 1: something that you know you have done wrong. And it's
Speaker 1: it's okay to be wrong. I'm not saying that I'm
Speaker 1: not wrong, but you have such a hard time owning it,
Speaker 1: and it would be so much easier if you could
Speaker 1: just do that. I can't tell you I'm sorry. That's it.
Speaker 1: That's it. It's not that I'm not saying that it's wrong,
Speaker 1: but I felt like I would have been empathetic. If
Speaker 1: that's all, we can't go on. I can't do it now,
Speaker 1: not after what I've heard you say, so I don't
Speaker 1: want an apologize to that you told me. I don't
Speaker 1: see you can't even stick with something good for two
Speaker 1: fucking minutes. How is that? This is really hard for me?
Speaker 1: I know it's really hard for you because you're asking
Speaker 1: because I've done so much apologizing. Are you fucking kidding me? All?
Speaker 1: I dud what's easy? Wheezy, you get dead. You have
Speaker 1: a hard time apologizing. It's like you always have a
Speaker 1: problem with me, and that's why I'm feeling Mandy. You're
Speaker 1: like me. I need you to chew with the faces
Speaker 1: you Wheezy. Let me tell you something. You're not the
Speaker 1: bad guy, even though it feels that way so frustrating
Speaker 1: with this ship. I understand that, Mandy, I feel like
Speaker 1: you think I hate you and I'm like, I feel
Speaker 1: so bad because I don't hate you, and I really
Speaker 1: feel sorry that you're feeling like this, but like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: don't cut it, don't but it don't. I can't not
Speaker 1: but it because I know then you have to stop yourself.
Speaker 1: You have to stop yourself. I'm just so frustrated. Okay,
Speaker 1: then own that I don't want this to happen, but like, okay,
Speaker 1: I just if you want to do your own thing,
Speaker 1: because you can't do this. But you said it, but
Speaker 1: you said it, but you've said it. I think I
Speaker 1: have not. She has done a lot of I heard
Speaker 1: you say no, no, no, and that stop. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna allow us to go over maybe two seconds. I
Speaker 1: need for you to take in the fact that she
Speaker 1: has finally apologized. I didn't think it would take this way.
Speaker 1: I didn't crying because I feel so bad that you
Speaker 1: really feel like I just hate you, and the fact
Speaker 1: that tears don't be unkind, I'm not. Yes, we spoke
Speaker 1: last nights for this to be an agenda right now
Speaker 1: to make me the victim or me the villain. I'm
Speaker 1: feeling okay because now I will speak, Can I speak?
Speaker 1: And and and no, you can't because I won't stay
Speaker 1: here and I'm not digging a hole. I'm not sitting
Speaker 1: here and say, who can we just pause for a second? Yes,
Speaker 1: we can pause. When's the last time you saw her cry?
Speaker 1: She cars all the time? What the funk? I cry
Speaker 1: all the time? You fucking cry on Instagram? You're really
Speaker 1: doing this. I'm crying because I feel Baddy, You're hurt
Speaker 1: and I can't believe you don't know. Okay, Well you're
Speaker 1: saying I don't crying for me. Empty minutes into this,
Speaker 1: you called me like crying me because I really believe
Speaker 1: that you really think I don't respect you. Okay, So
Speaker 1: then tell her you do and you will, of course.
Speaker 1: I okay, So stop, Mandy, And so going forward, are
Speaker 1: you willing to make a commitment to demonstrate that every
Speaker 1: single time you to interact, absolutely single time you to
Speaker 1: have a show, every single time you tweet something, be
Speaker 1: about it? Absolutely? Absolutely, of course I do. I will
Speaker 1: tell you I'm sorry if you felt like my reaction
Speaker 1: to you wasn't enough, but I was hurting that you
Speaker 1: did it on I'm okay, that's it was reactionary. I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to explain why I that's okay. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to not take the ship, so listen, listen. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to not take ownership like Mandy. Listen to
Speaker 1: what she said, She's trying to take ownership. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not that, of course. I don't want to sit here
Speaker 1: and make you think that it's fuck you. I said
Speaker 1: that to you because I was angry at your reaction, right,
Speaker 1: just like you said you did it because you were angry.
Speaker 1: But that's why I did that, And I'm sorry if
Speaker 1: it hurt your feelings. And I'm crying because I can't
Speaker 1: believe we're here. So I don't want to be on
Speaker 1: this fucking podcast doing this with you. I would rather
Speaker 1: be sitting in private, spending any fucking dollar I could
Speaker 1: to make it work. And I feel like there are
Speaker 1: things that are said on the mic. Okay, no, no,
Speaker 1: and that's fine, No, but I know this is true
Speaker 1: because what being said about me and what happened I
Speaker 1: about me is a lie. That I sat here, Me
Speaker 1: wanting to do another show, is not me wanting to
Speaker 1: leave poor decisions, me sitting here wanting to wanting to
Speaker 1: do Like I've sat here and we had a conversation
Speaker 1: and that's fine, and I'm not self righteous. But me
Speaker 1: sitting here knowing that she's sitting here and crying, I
Speaker 1: get that. But I told her last night, and I
Speaker 1: told you last night, And I'll sit here and I'll
Speaker 1: sit here and tell you I have I have UM,
Speaker 1: I had my ears done. I'm sorry, I speak loud.
Speaker 1: I have UM surgerin both my ears, have tubes in
Speaker 1: both of my ears, so I speak loud. UM. But
Speaker 1: I will sit here and say, we spoke last night,
Speaker 1: and I told you. No, I told you, Wheezy, my
Speaker 1: issues with you have been dealing with this podcast, and
Speaker 1: there are under Let me finish, there are underlying issues
Speaker 1: that you have with me. No, I know this, Let
Speaker 1: me finish. You brought it up to me last night.
Speaker 1: You brought it up to me during episode. Okay, so wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: you brought up I don't give a funk about ship
Speaker 1: before a start to show you only you know because
Speaker 1: she's rying right now on the show. It's fun. I
Speaker 1: didn't say that I have to spoke last night. We
Speaker 1: spoke last night. Bro, Yes, you know what I think.
Speaker 1: I think you can't tolerate the fact that she might
Speaker 1: actually care about She doesn't we we spoke last night,
Speaker 1: and she wanted to make sure that certain things were
Speaker 1: not brought up because she still feels ways about things that, Yes,
Speaker 1: you put me in a book. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: talk about it because you're talking shitty for that we weren't.
Speaker 1: And that's where I didn't want to bring up. I
Speaker 1: didn't want to say that it doesn't here. You weren't us.
Speaker 1: We were not. That's why I want to bring up
Speaker 1: this bullshit because see that's what I'm saying. You can't
Speaker 1: sit here and tell me you feel one way on
Speaker 1: a mic and you're sitting here crying because you want
Speaker 1: to understand me when we ring, because I'm angry that
Speaker 1: we're here and I've tried she sat here and called.
Speaker 1: She hasn't cared about how I felt when I'm the
Speaker 1: one who called you. I want to called you last week.
Speaker 1: You've I don't want to ask to do there again.
Speaker 1: I don't care about your reciprocity. How about this. If
Speaker 1: we cannot come to some kind of resolution within the
Speaker 1: next five minutes and is it five minutes or four
Speaker 1: minutes and seven seconds, then just throwing to tell what
Speaker 1: do you want for me to feel better? Like that's
Speaker 1: what I need to That's why I'm crying because when
Speaker 1: I said sorry to you, you all you said is
Speaker 1: I don't care. So what do you want me to do?
Speaker 1: What do you want for me? That's why I'm crying
Speaker 1: because I feel like I will never get anywhere with you,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm looking at the end because
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here really telling you I'm sorry. You don't
Speaker 1: look me in the eye. You turn your face for
Speaker 1: me when I'm sorry, and tears come out because I'm
Speaker 1: seeing that it's over because you just don't. You don't
Speaker 1: believe me. Okay, so stop stop, Okay you don't. So
Speaker 1: why do we do it? What three things you need
Speaker 1: from her going forward in order for this relationship to continue?
Speaker 1: Because she's putting it in your lap. Now. You're the
Speaker 1: one who has this laundry list, your receipts as they
Speaker 1: call it, of things that she's how she's wrong you,
Speaker 1: and you want to stand behind that and you want
Speaker 1: to be the person who was right. So can we
Speaker 1: shed that for now and come up with three concrete
Speaker 1: things that you need from her in order for this
Speaker 1: relationship to be maintained, And please don't be accusatory. I
Speaker 1: don't have to be UM. For one, it would one
Speaker 1: thousand percent be the communication. UM, can you be more specific?
Speaker 1: So the communication as far as we've sat here in
Speaker 1: this room and when I talked before, I can sit
Speaker 1: here and say what I mean, she's responding to respond,
Speaker 1: So she's responding to what she's she's responding to respond
Speaker 1: or as I'm sorry, she's listening to respond, she's not
Speaker 1: listening to listen. And I genuinely feel over the last
Speaker 1: year and a half with this business, whether it's from ideas,
Speaker 1: whether it's from disagreements that we've had off air on air,
Speaker 1: I genuinely feel like she listens to me to respond.
Speaker 1: Do you think no, no, no, no, no, Mandy let
Speaker 1: her finish. And no, that's not why she doesn't believe
Speaker 1: that you cried. So what you're saying, I'm gonna reframe
Speaker 1: it is you want to be heard. That is why
Speaker 1: you yell so loudly in addition to drink. But right,
Speaker 1: you want to be heard by her. UM, just say okay,
Speaker 1: I'll say yes because you want to, but there's no
Speaker 1: way to. So you are really kind of so I
Speaker 1: imagine I kind of know what what what wheezy feels
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to be kind to you. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: being thoughtful. I'm saying, I'm paraphrasing it that you want
Speaker 1: to be heard, and then you try to obliterate what
Speaker 1: I say. I actually can you might have something there?
Speaker 1: Holy cow, I do I do get that? And I
Speaker 1: will say, in part it probably is from my bias
Speaker 1: because I don't believe a lot of things that she
Speaker 1: says to me when she does try to be kind.
Speaker 1: So I will say that that is something that I
Speaker 1: possibly do do and I will admit to that. Okay.
Speaker 1: So it seems to me that there is a lack
Speaker 1: of trust. Okay, So trust needs to be real built,
Speaker 1: which is difficult. But I have a feeling that trust
Speaker 1: overall is an issue in your life, or a lack
Speaker 1: of thereof. I would disagree with that, Okay. I have
Speaker 1: very long standing relationships with with friends, with family with
Speaker 1: like I would disagree with that. Okay. You can have
Speaker 1: very loyal people. Are you trusting of many? I'm okay?
Speaker 1: Maybe not? I mean, God, do you think I have I? Okay?
Speaker 1: I get that. Okay, So number one, yes, you want
Speaker 1: to be heard? What's number two? Um? Number two and
Speaker 1: it's something that has happened. Well, well we'll know whether long.
Speaker 1: If you said, what what I need from her in
Speaker 1: order to make this work? Okay? So can we we
Speaker 1: can we do this instead of telling me look at
Speaker 1: wheezy and tell out wheezy wheezy. This is something that
Speaker 1: I've said before. I'm sorry, UM, I don't feel like,
Speaker 1: what do you need? Don't I need you to meet
Speaker 1: me halfway with this show? We have a partnership agreement
Speaker 1: and you do you have not so that's fine, all right,
Speaker 1: meet you halfway. What's the third thing? Okay? She said,
Speaker 1: we have fine menes. That's all I meant. I wasn't
Speaker 1: trying to demonstrate. I just felt like there was a
Speaker 1: lot to unpack because you and I can I can
Speaker 1: I be the okay? So I said I was gonna
Speaker 1: go over a couple of minutes, be present. So you said,
Speaker 1: meeting you halfway with the partnership, can you be just
Speaker 1: a little bit more specific? I don't know. If this
Speaker 1: is something that you want to air out, that's fine.
Speaker 1: I will sit here and be honest. Do we want
Speaker 1: to go No, no, no, no, no no, no, there's
Speaker 1: not a it's not a problem I genuinely feel and
Speaker 1: with speaking to her with this partner, I need her
Speaker 1: to meet me fifty halfway in terms of the business. Okay,
Speaker 1: when this show, When you say the business of the show,
Speaker 1: can you give me an example in Layman's terms that
Speaker 1: I I genuinely feel as though she's great on this show.
Speaker 1: You're you're great on this show and what you bring
Speaker 1: to the show. No, I'm not saying, but I think
Speaker 1: you're great on this show as far as UM, what
Speaker 1: you say, your opinion, UM, the comedy that you bring
Speaker 1: to this show. UM, what I would need from you
Speaker 1: is more on the back end, and it's what I've
Speaker 1: told you multiple times. I feel like, as far as
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I won't bring up that I've brought it
Speaker 1: up multiple times. I genuinely feel like, in my heart
Speaker 1: you have your talent. As far as the leg work
Speaker 1: to this show, can you say it in a less
Speaker 1: host I'm sorry, As far as the leg work to
Speaker 1: this show, I genuinely don't feel like you've put in
Speaker 1: even a quarter w Why would you say to the
Speaker 1: vice journalists that you appreciate me and that you're lucky
Speaker 1: to have someone that will pick up when you fall.
Speaker 1: You said that to him, and I remember you say
Speaker 1: that to him, and so wait now you rename Okay,
Speaker 1: so so what did I know the terms of our agreement,
Speaker 1: which is for you to say what you needed? And
Speaker 1: so no, you said, but she doesn't do You don't
Speaker 1: say what you need? You need for her to be
Speaker 1: more proactive and involved. Yes, okay, so clearly that is
Speaker 1: your four people say Forte is actually Ford. You know,
Speaker 1: teach her spell it out. That's what sisterhood and business
Speaker 1: partnerships are about. If if she's not doing it, perhaps
Speaker 1: it's because she doesn't think she has a skill, or
Speaker 1: maybe she doesn't think she has a time. You speak
Speaker 1: to her in a kind way to get it done.
Speaker 1: I did. I haven't. Can I say an example of it?
Speaker 1: Because I don't think you know you're you're you're sitting
Speaker 1: in there huffing and puffing. But it's very much true.
Speaker 1: So you at first you don't succeed. Try try again.
Speaker 1: Do you have any children? No? I don't want any. Okay,
Speaker 1: do you have any children? Minus sitting outside? Do you
Speaker 1: know how many times I have to repeat myself and
Speaker 1: lead by example and guide and show. Sometimes our peers
Speaker 1: require that you assume, because you're quite defensive and a perfectionists,
Speaker 1: that when people don't do their share it's because they
Speaker 1: are being dismissive of you. Perhaps there's another reason, and
Speaker 1: if you open your heart, not to sound cliche, but
Speaker 1: open your heart a bit more and try to explore it,
Speaker 1: maybe you'll get to the core as opposed to being accusatory. Okay,
Speaker 1: what's number three? Sorry? I in order for this to go,
Speaker 1: I need you too deep in your heart, truthfully and
Speaker 1: honestly the baggage that you're holding. No, that's that's accusatory,
Speaker 1: but it's no story. That's accusatory. I need for you
Speaker 1: to say what you need, not what is a deficit,
Speaker 1: a perceived deficit. Talk about what you need. Make it simple. Well,
Speaker 1: then I'll say I need respect, okay, because you know what,
Speaker 1: even with all of this fluff and all the she's
Speaker 1: you're a little runkin bumpkin. You both are. You're so sensitive.
Speaker 1: You think, but I think that you You don't even
Speaker 1: believe me, so I don't. Then why do you even ask? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Can I say something? So? Why am I here? You're
Speaker 1: just wasting money? You did it again, You did it
Speaker 1: again every time she makes an attempt. And I know
Speaker 1: past behavior informs present behavior perception. But you've got to
Speaker 1: give it a try. If you want even a modicum
Speaker 1: of this to work out, you've got to try. You
Speaker 1: just asked me to bag. You've got to have a
Speaker 1: sense of faith. Yes, yes, how hard is it for
Speaker 1: you to be soft? I this is the problem. When
Speaker 1: I sit here and actually do hurt, or actually do
Speaker 1: show my emotions, then I get, well, you're not even
Speaker 1: the imo. Ho. I didn't think he was gonna be mad.
Speaker 1: As a human being, I do hurt. I do get
Speaker 1: my emotions like bother So it bothers me that because
Speaker 1: I don't see here and show emotions or or talk
Speaker 1: about the men that I love, or I don't have
Speaker 1: these emotions for men that people just assume that she's
Speaker 1: gonna get over it. She's gonna laugh it off, she's
Speaker 1: not gonna be hurt. And I think that's bullshit because
Speaker 1: I do do I see here and show my emotions
Speaker 1: as much as others know. But when I see here
Speaker 1: and and receive something in private and then in front
Speaker 1: of other people, I'm getting a different thing. Yes, I
Speaker 1: become frustrated. Yes, I can't take it in as genuine
Speaker 1: because behind closed doors and within our personal conversations, I'm
Speaker 1: over talked to or hung up on. We both hung
Speaker 1: up on each other. It goes to levels to where
Speaker 1: we're just trying to talk over each other and there
Speaker 1: is no resolution. So when I come into a place
Speaker 1: or I stay here and my feelings are actually hurt,
Speaker 1: for that to not be acknowledged, for for me to
Speaker 1: be told you're not getting an apology for me, and
Speaker 1: for me to get a long thread, Oh so now
Speaker 1: you want to be emotional, You're just overreacting, And it's like, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm not the one that shows my emotions on this podcast,
Speaker 1: people bring it up all the time. I'm able to
Speaker 1: have sex without tying emotions to it, but I do
Speaker 1: still want a certain level of respect from people. And
Speaker 1: when my things are hurt, specifically from people that I
Speaker 1: do business with, specifically from people that I helped put
Speaker 1: money into their pockets, that we make money together, from
Speaker 1: someone that I'm building something strong with, I absolutely want
Speaker 1: them to know that I am still human. And if
Speaker 1: I'm going to respond the way in a way that
Speaker 1: you knew I would respond, because you said you knew
Speaker 1: I would be upset, did you know, did you know
Speaker 1: I would be this upset? No, but the fact, but
Speaker 1: the fact that when I showed my emotions you came
Speaker 1: to me and was like, well, I think reacting. Okay,
Speaker 1: I did get it, but but you tribute to the problem. See,
Speaker 1: because I don't show my emotions I am I'm very
Speaker 1: cold and I don't show my emotions with a lot
Speaker 1: of people. My mom was that way. This is this
Speaker 1: is how I am. No, no, no, no, it is
Speaker 1: how you are. But it doesn't have to be the way.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to you don't always have to be
Speaker 1: that way. And what you're doing is you do yourself
Speaker 1: a great disservice by presenting yourself as unbreakable. I'll agree
Speaker 1: to that. Yes, that was my mom. And so this one,
Speaker 1: this one reezy who has a heart, take time taking
Speaker 1: responsibility for being hurtful. She's going to hide behind that. Oh,
Speaker 1: Mandy's tough. So you need to share and be more open.
Speaker 1: You're asking her to be more open. You need to
Speaker 1: do the same. And I don't know, maybe this whole
Speaker 1: podcast you two be in these like brazenly open sexually
Speaker 1: whatever it's it, it does you a disservice because it
Speaker 1: doesn't allow you to be who you truly are, and
Speaker 1: maybe that's something you two need to build upon with
Speaker 1: the podcast, is you can be brazen. You can have
Speaker 1: this open sexual energy and connect with people and stop
Speaker 1: bullshitting yourselves and saying that there's no emotion behind it,
Speaker 1: because that's not true. So how do you feel about
Speaker 1: the fact that she is crying in front of you?
Speaker 1: I don't, of course. I mean, honestly, I'm surprised. I
Speaker 1: thought I would be the one and I did to cry.
Speaker 1: I I'm crying. Look at it, you crying. I feel
Speaker 1: so bad. You know. I feel really bad that you
Speaker 1: feel like this, okay, and no, no, I feel bad
Speaker 1: that you really think that. I feel badly that you
Speaker 1: think I hurt you. Yes, I feel badly that you
Speaker 1: think I hurt you, and I think I said. I
Speaker 1: feel badly that I did hurt you because you have done.
Speaker 1: Of course, I feel badly that I did hurt you.
Speaker 1: I feel badly that you know, you said because I'm
Speaker 1: not emotional, you knew I would react that way. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I feel badly that I responded with you
Speaker 1: that way. Sometimes I do have to be softer too,
Speaker 1: but I think I've just felt maybe I don't know
Speaker 1: what the word is. Maybe I didn't feel remorse because
Speaker 1: I was already harboring feelings for things that I feel
Speaker 1: like I went through on the show. For the most part,
Speaker 1: on the show, I feel like I'm the one who's
Speaker 1: super emotional. So when you reacted that way and went crazy, yes,
Speaker 1: I was like fuck you because I felt like you
Speaker 1: said suck me. I just the one thing that I
Speaker 1: could ever say that I want from you is just
Speaker 1: to call me first. And I feel like the reason
Speaker 1: I've been so upset with you is because when we talk,
Speaker 1: you bring up other people. A King said, my friends say,
Speaker 1: Van says, Mal says, I don't care. I want to
Speaker 1: know what you think. Are you taking in everything she's saying.
Speaker 1: I gotta say it appears quite genuine to me. Can
Speaker 1: you accept her apology? And I need for you to
Speaker 1: tap into the softer party yourself, not the cold mother
Speaker 1: pushing people away. This is your opportunity. There's a lot
Speaker 1: going on in my head right now. Why would I
Speaker 1: want to come on here and cry in front of
Speaker 1: you and all these people on there. I didn't mean it. Okay, stop, Mandy,
Speaker 1: It's hard it's hard, but I need for you to
Speaker 1: embrace the fact that Wheezy is actually being genuine and caring.
Speaker 1: I can acknowledge that, Okay, can you say it to her,
Speaker 1: not to me? I don't. I can see here and
Speaker 1: say I'm acknowledging what you're saying. And I'm going to
Speaker 1: stop there because I know that I'm not able to
Speaker 1: say it, but right which is so I want. I
Speaker 1: want to say, I do appreciate you acknowledging a us
Speaker 1: getting to where we are right now, because I feel
Speaker 1: like it's been a huge detriment to how we have
Speaker 1: been communicating over the last year and a half. We
Speaker 1: sat here at episode five ready to give in. We've
Speaker 1: sat here at episodes sixteen, seventeen ready to give it.
Speaker 1: We've sat here at episode thirty and try and and
Speaker 1: almost given in. So you sitting here and acknowledging that
Speaker 1: I appreciate that and moving forward if this is something
Speaker 1: to where you can't sit here and look at me
Speaker 1: as a human being, even if it's someone that you
Speaker 1: don't like, look at me as that human being, knowing
Speaker 1: that I have feelings, knowing that I have emotions, and
Speaker 1: even if we're not friends, those three close friends to you,
Speaker 1: look at me and when you do things. I just
Speaker 1: want you to say, with my three best friends, like
Speaker 1: if I did this to them, because even though we're
Speaker 1: not friends, even though we're not friends, wheezy, this is
Speaker 1: this is a business and this is no. No, not
Speaker 1: only that, I feel like our relation and ship and
Speaker 1: the things that we go through are much more than
Speaker 1: a marriage. They're much more than a friendship, so much
Speaker 1: more than a lot of other types of relationships. Many Mandy,
Speaker 1: are you going to do the same Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: because you've told you moving forward, moving moving. You said
Speaker 1: you're the only person we were in that meeting with Christmas.
Speaker 1: Yes we weren't. You told me we weren't treat you
Speaker 1: like this. You're the only thing I absolutely stand by
Speaker 1: that I had, Mandy, stop stop stop, you see she's
Speaker 1: throwing me under the bus. I said, you told me
Speaker 1: you can't do this for me to my face. I
Speaker 1: literally have one minute. Just did it. You just did it.
Speaker 1: You had to break through and then you can't touch
Speaker 1: ate the feel good emotions. You can't. What was said.
Speaker 1: I need for you to say that going forward, you're
Speaker 1: going to extend to her the same respect that you
Speaker 1: deserve and want and don't tell me you've always No. No,
Speaker 1: that's fine, but say, can I sit here and say
Speaker 1: that there was a misunderstanding and I want that has
Speaker 1: to be clear before we move forward. I sat here
Speaker 1: and said that that is something that I'm willing to do.
Speaker 1: What was misconstrued in what was said was that I
Speaker 1: don't have this energy or interaction or relationship with anyone
Speaker 1: the way that I do you in my life currently.
Speaker 1: That is what was said. That's why I treat you
Speaker 1: this way. I don't treat you a way. We have
Speaker 1: no way of communication. But we've gotten past that. So
Speaker 1: that's what I'm telling you that I'm sitting here telling
Speaker 1: you to your face that I'm willing to do that
Speaker 1: and I have. But in terms of but stop, I'm
Speaker 1: willing to do that and I have. Are you willing
Speaker 1: to work with her as well? Absolutely? Okay, So this
Speaker 1: guy's falling asleep. I have a headache. I've got to say.
Speaker 1: This is way past my bedtime mine too. Thank you
Speaker 1: for coming. Can I shake your hand now? I don't
Speaker 1: know why you didn't run again, because we tend not to.
Speaker 1: My therapist is uncomfortable and I hugg her after, so
Speaker 1: I get it. You go to therapy all the time.
Speaker 1: Holy cow, does this person listen to your podcast? Actually,
Speaker 1: I had a therapist. I found a black woman and
Speaker 1: I'd literally google to African American therapists. And she sent
Speaker 1: me a message and said that, so I had vented
Speaker 1: about many before about when we had our first argument,
Speaker 1: what should I do? And she said, after listening to
Speaker 1: your show, I feel biased and I can't help you anymore.
Speaker 1: She said that she started listening to our reactions with
Speaker 1: each other and now she felt like she would take
Speaker 1: a side because she's heard it instead of just being
Speaker 1: my therapist. That's very bizarre. It's all fodder. She let
Speaker 1: me go because she started listening to the show. All right,
Speaker 1: you each seemed to find someone to talk to. I
Speaker 1: think that there's a brilliance and the magic that can
Speaker 1: be developed and maintained if you allow yourselves to be
Speaker 1: more vulnerable, and you know all the sexual escapades as
Speaker 1: a clinician, it says to me that there's a fear
Speaker 1: of that communication vulnerability, especially with each other when we're well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that well, that's plain. It's not easy to be vulnerable
Speaker 1: and take ego out of something. When you have a
Speaker 1: camera and Mike's camera, I don't know, every every week.
Speaker 1: It's not easy for us to be vulnerable, I think
Speaker 1: with each other, which is I try, but it's not hard.
Speaker 1: You try harder because you're you're quite well defended. And
Speaker 1: it's like you could make my brain just like actually
Speaker 1: internally combust trying to keep up with you in your verbiage.
Speaker 1: And I say that because it's indicative of intelligence, and
Speaker 1: you can be kind of terrifying if one were to
Speaker 1: be scared. So I'm not gonna ask for a hug,
Speaker 1: but can you at least give each other handshake? No,
Speaker 1: of course, Like, okay, that's weird. So how about a hug. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fine. A hug, hug, hug, hug, a long overdue. Well,
Speaker 1: you guys can instagram miss for real, for real. And
Speaker 1: I don't want to be called in again. And I
Speaker 1: adore the both of you. Thank you, and I need
Speaker 1: for you to call each other on the phone. No more,
Speaker 1: no more texting. It's so important. I think that's a
Speaker 1: good rule. Please, I'm gonna start crying. Yeah, oh this
Speaker 1: is like my number one rule. Oh god, this is
Speaker 1: so this is the last thank you? Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So rod is gonna give each other hugs. I guess
Speaker 1: as many of you guys who listened to the show
Speaker 1: have picked up through the tension and the jabs and
Speaker 1: the shade that we throw on a weekly basis. Um,
Speaker 1: this has been a long time coming. Um for everyone
Speaker 1: who was writing to us saying that the demise of
Speaker 1: horrible Decisions was to an end and blaming Andrew and
Speaker 1: blaming guys for getting between us. I want you to
Speaker 1: guys to know that that has not happened. You know,
Speaker 1: we should ask for sorry to cut you off. But
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this and you made it towards
Speaker 1: the end, and if you don't know how they made
Speaker 1: it to that, I think you can understand that Mean
Speaker 1: Mandy have been very influenced and I think you'd agree.
Speaker 1: By when someone writes us something, it's very hard not
Speaker 1: to respond. I'm feeling better right now. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you are. I feel like, do you understand that
Speaker 1: it was hard for me to get the sorry O
Speaker 1: I did? And um, I really want to say what
Speaker 1: I didn't think I would get that from you. And
Speaker 1: so while while I know like the energy with her
Speaker 1: here and you're not wanting other people in the room
Speaker 1: and genuinely the last two weeks and what has transpired.
Speaker 1: Not only did I come in here not wanting that apology,
Speaker 1: I felt like I didn't want the apology for what
Speaker 1: happened on Flagrant, but you really acknowledging that I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: You know I know, but you acknowledging that you know you,
Speaker 1: you understand now where I'm coming from, and that I
Speaker 1: am human, and that I was really more hurt, not
Speaker 1: even with the joke, but everything that transpired after. And yes,
Speaker 1: I'm cold hearted, Yes I don't show emotions a lot,
Speaker 1: but you sitting here acknowledging the fact that I did,
Speaker 1: and maybe you could have responded differently. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Now I know you and knowing you were upset, I
Speaker 1: feel like Mandy reacted, and I reacted like Mandy, like I.
Speaker 1: There are certain ways we should handle it, and actually
Speaker 1: is exactly how you you actually reacted, exactly how I
Speaker 1: would have reacted to anything. I didn't overreact. The only
Speaker 1: reason I called you is because I knew that hurt
Speaker 1: came from you thinking I didn't defend you, and I
Speaker 1: thought that if I brought up would happen after that
Speaker 1: you would know that. I genuinely felt like you would
Speaker 1: be hurt. I asked him, and I think Andrew not
Speaker 1: not to shade Andrew, but he started making me feel
Speaker 1: like you would think it wasn't a big deal, right,
Speaker 1: I said, Mandy's gonna be pissed? Can I can? I
Speaker 1: tell you real quick in your face, because but you
Speaker 1: have known me since I was fourteen fifteen years old,
Speaker 1: real quick, because I want to throw this out there
Speaker 1: real quick, because you've said often but you didn't know
Speaker 1: if it was true or not. My nigga, And I'll
Speaker 1: stay here and say, because my nigga, you've known me
Speaker 1: since I was sixteen? Did you see the way I
Speaker 1: don't give a fun the cameras were on Sarah. I
Speaker 1: really did thinking in the moment, even my nigga, let's
Speaker 1: go back to me being sixteen years old. I don't
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be you know, god damn well, real quick,
Speaker 1: I went and let that nigga suck on my titties.
Speaker 1: So for you to really sit here and say you
Speaker 1: didn't know, you know goddamn well that I had, I
Speaker 1: would never did you think that when you saw the video?
Speaker 1: Did you did that? Did you think for a second
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna tell you why. I was already too mad.
Speaker 1: Andrew was sitting I mean, Alex was sitting right there,
Speaker 1: and I looked at him like what and then Alex
Speaker 1: is doing this face like I get it. I get it,
Speaker 1: it's a joke. But my nigga, I'm talking to you
Speaker 1: as someone not in podcasting, as someone who's known me
Speaker 1: since I was sixteen years old. You know, God damn well,
Speaker 1: I would have never when Alex came to the first
Speaker 1: episode that we did with Anthony, we both were like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's cute. I thought maybe it happened. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what was going on in my head.
Speaker 1: It just felt so real, bro. How many times I
Speaker 1: talked about my height limit bro, like that nigga, not
Speaker 1: even six ft chill bro, no, but in real life.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's why when you came at
Speaker 1: me like it, didn't know if it was real. I
Speaker 1: went I went back to us being sixteen years old, wheezy,
Speaker 1: because you know, a whole bunch of niggas that I
Speaker 1: have fucked and not now one resembles looks is in
Speaker 1: the pay grade. Okay, pay grade, My bad my man,
Speaker 1: my bad. Alex, that's fine, that's fine. I just want
Speaker 1: to say, that's fine. Alex is really nice. Do you
Speaker 1: know what I started going through my head? We had
Speaker 1: argued about things without because we were deciding when we
Speaker 1: wanted to do a video, do we need this expense
Speaker 1: to we do this whatever? I was like, maybe this
Speaker 1: is why she'd be getting so mad at him and
Speaker 1: be talking to him so spicy because they fucked. You
Speaker 1: don't understand what I was thinking in my head. That
Speaker 1: is exactly why it towards the end, because they had
Speaker 1: me so convinced, I said to him, did you really
Speaker 1: me any And by the way they thought it was
Speaker 1: cut off? He said, we have to leave that in there,
Speaker 1: so it's it's in there. But here's what happened and
Speaker 1: why I think I. I was surprised at your reaction.
Speaker 1: When I was sitting with Andrew's like, dude, we gotta
Speaker 1: take it out. He's like, we would have to cut
Speaker 1: out the whole episode. Trust me, this is a podcasting
Speaker 1: for me. This is gonna be great. People gonna click,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be okay. And you know how Andrew
Speaker 1: made you. Andrew diffused the situation with you and him,
Speaker 1: so you can understand how you did it with me.
Speaker 1: I did feel better, so I thought when I text
Speaker 1: you and said, Andrew got the gift to gap. Your
Speaker 1: gift to gap, Andrew got the whole as gift to gap.
Speaker 1: He when I text you that night and I said, hey,
Speaker 1: don't worry, this is gonna be okay. It was because
Speaker 1: it was right after I text I had got off
Speaker 1: the phone with Andrew, I think, right it when he
Speaker 1: got out of the car and I was saying we
Speaker 1: shouldn't do this, blah blah blah. Um. It made me
Speaker 1: text you because I said, let me defuse this so
Speaker 1: she'll feel better. Because what would I think if I
Speaker 1: was sitting there when I got called twice? People said
Speaker 1: there was a prince. So I said, let me just
Speaker 1: make her feel better, right, let me just say this
Speaker 1: right now. And then when you heard it to have
Speaker 1: been so upset. I don't know if you would have
Speaker 1: called me. I know, and I mean I don't want
Speaker 1: to give any more shine than we have to to
Speaker 1: that situation. Oh wait, wait, no, I said this to
Speaker 1: say I don't want you guys to sit here and
Speaker 1: then listen to this and say who else was wrong?
Speaker 1: More like I think that that's gonna be worse to
Speaker 1: continue this conversation, and I want to try to make
Speaker 1: a commitment. I'm gonna say try because I feel like
Speaker 1: someone's gonna tell me, oh, well, you hate that bit,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna have to reply I really, but we're
Speaker 1: gonna do it anyway. I don't want it to keep going.
Speaker 1: And I feel like this is better and and it's good.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, I think. And the only
Speaker 1: reason I got mad at you and I said that
Speaker 1: everyone thing is because I wanted you to feel like
Speaker 1: this is good between me and you, not because someone
Speaker 1: which is which is what I want. So moving forward, UM,
Speaker 1: please don't sit in talking. No, I mean, even in
Speaker 1: the comments, they're gonna say what they're gonna say. There's trolls, people,
Speaker 1: people feel the need to choose between us um and
Speaker 1: as everyone has reiterated to us, this show could not
Speaker 1: be this show without the two of us um and
Speaker 1: so whether you was about the audition, from my role,
Speaker 1: whether I was going to do anything else, UM, I
Speaker 1: do just want to reiterate that, more so than anything,
Speaker 1: what me and Wheezy have been able to bring to
Speaker 1: the culture, to the lives of our listeners, to the couples,
Speaker 1: to the single people, to the virgins. I think that
Speaker 1: that means way more to both Wheezy and I. Um.
Speaker 1: Then I think anything with with anything, it's literally the
Speaker 1: only reason um. And I've said it multiple times that
Speaker 1: our listeners and the emails and how we have touched
Speaker 1: people all over the world because Jesus Christ, it's it's global.
Speaker 1: Is why I stay and why I'm willing to sit
Speaker 1: here across from I'm not gonna say your government, but
Speaker 1: Wheezy w TF and and try to to get this
Speaker 1: this thing going. Um. Also, furthermore, UM, I do want
Speaker 1: to just give a quick shout out because they're really
Speaker 1: good friends of mine, Mall Rory and the Joe Button podcast.
Speaker 1: I listened to that episode before they got their Spotify deal,
Speaker 1: and Joe sat there and said that they didn't record
Speaker 1: one week because they yelled in a parking lot because
Speaker 1: they could not agree creativily. I reached out to other
Speaker 1: other podcasters too, UM, very very I talked to you
Speaker 1: as well. UM, this happens, but but you know what,
Speaker 1: I I liked that people could and even my friends
Speaker 1: the three closest ones I've talked to everyone was able
Speaker 1: to be unbiased with me and give me opinions. I
Speaker 1: had to take my ego out of a lot of
Speaker 1: things because, like I was saying, your reaction made me
Speaker 1: want to read. We made me go back and forth.
Speaker 1: And it's not easy with social media, you know, people
Speaker 1: saying things to you and getting in your head. And
Speaker 1: I'm glad we have those friends that are doing bigger
Speaker 1: things than us that we can come to. We're lucky
Speaker 1: for that. And I think I only mentioned everyone because
Speaker 1: I guess it doesn't make me feel good when you
Speaker 1: would say everyone is telling me this is good and
Speaker 1: that I shouldn't leave. I don't want people to have
Speaker 1: to tell you that. But it's it's also the listeners,
Speaker 1: which is which is why I brought that up, like
Speaker 1: when when? And I'm not gonna dig into things that
Speaker 1: I've hated that were said between either of us, but
Speaker 1: I will say that even starting this this podcast, in
Speaker 1: the very beginning, I was taking seven classes, I was
Speaker 1: working a lot of hours. I said, weely, I know
Speaker 1: you want to do this, but in six months, if
Speaker 1: we ain't getting money, I'm out. And I said that
Speaker 1: before that, we we were ready before that we weren't
Speaker 1: bringing in money, work we're She mentioned something about me
Speaker 1: not wanting you to go, and of course I want
Speaker 1: you to leave. But when I brought up the other show,
Speaker 1: I think that the first time you said it to
Speaker 1: me was when we were feeling heated after that New
Speaker 1: York Live show. That was the first time you said
Speaker 1: it to me. So even if you thought about it before,
Speaker 1: we weren't talking about it. And I only said what
Speaker 1: I said on Van not to make it seem dismissive,
Speaker 1: but because you are a bigger social media person than me,
Speaker 1: so I know that you will do more things than me.
Speaker 1: You've talked about wanting to do shows or BT or
Speaker 1: pilots or whatever, and I want you to know that
Speaker 1: I you being great and you're doing great things doesn't
Speaker 1: hurt anything we do, and I want you to be great.
Speaker 1: I don't want you to not do your own thing.
Speaker 1: And I I think when I was angry about it,
Speaker 1: it was because I felt like you were doing it
Speaker 1: to say, well, fuck it, maybe I could just kick
Speaker 1: this to the curb and do something else, because that's
Speaker 1: you never brought it up to me. Otherwise we were arguing,
Speaker 1: and then you brought it up like, And that's why
Speaker 1: when I said I would shout it out always. It's
Speaker 1: because when you said you were going to leave and
Speaker 1: then you mentioned another show and people were like, how
Speaker 1: could she do this? I was like, I would, to
Speaker 1: the death of me, be like, it wouldn't matter how
Speaker 1: you react to towards me, because people listen for me
Speaker 1: and you and both of us. I want you to win.
Speaker 1: You you're going to start this other podcast I wanted
Speaker 1: to do. Really, I want it because this ended so well.
Speaker 1: I don't want this conversation to keep going the way
Speaker 1: it's going right now. No, I'm just saying that I
Speaker 1: want everything you do to be good, and I don't
Speaker 1: want you from listening to that. And I appreciate that
Speaker 1: I make it in a shitty way because I don't
Speaker 1: mean it in that way. That's that's the only thing
Speaker 1: I want to say. I'll take it at face value
Speaker 1: right now for what you're saying. And I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Um again, because I don't I don't want to spiral
Speaker 1: this into a whole another fucking discussion or debate. UM.
Speaker 1: But again, whether um Wheezy goes and decides she wants
Speaker 1: to be creative in her own little space, or whether
Speaker 1: I want to go into the corner and my own
Speaker 1: little space and create more. Um. Again, I just want
Speaker 1: to say that horrible decisions. UM. We'll continue and we'll
Speaker 1: continue to bring the content, the kinks, UM and the
Speaker 1: guests that you guys love. So UM, I guess we're
Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and wrap that up. This is way
Speaker 1: longer than it needed to know. If you guys hear
Speaker 1: an episode, Mandy was in Chicago for a while and
Speaker 1: traveling a lot this summer. If you hear an episode
Speaker 1: of Me alone, it was prerecorded. It is not mean
Speaker 1: we're breaking up. We've just had it sitting there and
Speaker 1: now everything is blown up. So we've been worried about
Speaker 1: put it out because we're like, what they're gonna think
Speaker 1: they'll be episode soon to come where Mandy was out
Speaker 1: of town, so I recorded it. And if you guys
Speaker 1: do hear separate episodes ever, please understand that Mandy works
Speaker 1: a lot. I don't even I used to work more
Speaker 1: than more hours in you now I don't well because
Speaker 1: I was taking seven classes and working. It is Thursday,
Speaker 1: I'm at fifty five hours. It's Thursdays, and I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to be working Saturday and Sunday though. It's just because
Speaker 1: we don't want to leave you guys with a day
Speaker 1: without content. And we've made commitments to do that. Something
Speaker 1: you complain about, Oh you've prerecorded ship. This is something
Speaker 1: that we're doing just so every Monday you can still
Speaker 1: have horrible decisions. We don't want to leave you out.
Speaker 1: We don't want to be inconsistent. So one day you
Speaker 1: hear Mandy without me, or you hear me without Mandy,
Speaker 1: you don't have to trip freak ask why it's happening.
Speaker 1: Like we don't only podcast most of the podcasts. I
Speaker 1: feel like we all listen to that's all they do.
Speaker 1: They're creatives. They don't have to work ninety five. We
Speaker 1: still do. And so that's why sometimes schedules are conflicting.
Speaker 1: That's why you can hear solo things. And I just
Speaker 1: want to clear that up if you hear it soon enough.
Speaker 1: All right, So we're gonna go ahead and UM say,
Speaker 1: since turn our breaking up Patreon, you can give us
Speaker 1: spotts a month to mobile bullshit. I guess both say.
Speaker 1: This has been yet another episode of horrible decisions by