WEBVTT - TOM's Talks | Jerry Stackhouse 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.640 This podcast is part of the seventy Sixers podcast network 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:08.559 search seventy Sixers podcast wherever you get your pods. This 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:12.160 week's guest on the Tom's Talks podcast his former seventy sixer, 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:16.759 Jerry Stackhouse. The North Carolina standout, went third overall to 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:20.079 the seventy Sixers in the nineteen ninety five NBA Draft. 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:22.639 He played a hundred and seventy five games with the 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:27.240 Sixers over two plus seasons. Overall, stack forged an eighteen 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:31.160 year NBA career that included two All Star appearances, and 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:34.880 he scored over sixteen thousand points. Now, he's turned to 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:38.800 coaching after two successful seasons in the G League, including 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:42.080 the championship and Coach of the Year honors in twenty seventeen. 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:45.879 Two more years as an NBA assistant followed, and currently 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:49.680 Jerry is the head men's basketball coach at Vanderbilt University. 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:56.320 Here's my conversation with Jerry Stackhouse. Welcome to another edition 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:58.560 of Tom's Talk, and we're joined by the head coach 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:02.600 of Vanderbilt University, former six or Jerry Stackhouse, and coach, 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.120 thank you so much for joining us. I know you've 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.039 been busy a bit of an unsettled time, but to 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:11.160 appreciate the time here. How's it going, Uh, it's going town. 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:15.080 It's been been hectic, been busy. Even though we've all 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:17.679 kind of been quarantined, it's still been a lot more 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:21.040 energy trying to get on zoom calls and recruit you know, 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:25.760 you know over over zooms and you know, FaceTime and 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:27.760 all those things. But you know, we're enjoying it. Man. 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:30.880 We've been able to steal uh, you know, bring in 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:33.880 a couple of some talented players. Um. So we just 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:36.160 ready to get ready to get back. Man, it's just uh, 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:41.600 it's long overdue. What's your spiel? Like, Vanderbilt, great school, 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:45.640 you're playing a fantastic league in the SEC. Yourself an 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:48.240 eighteen year NBA player of staff that's going to help 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:51.240 develop your players on off of the court. What do 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:53.040 you pitch to these young men that you'd hope to 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:55.640 come to Vanderbilt? Man, I need to hire you time. 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:57.360 You just hit it all on the head right there. 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:01.760 That's what we do. Man. Obviously, it's a great opportunity 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:05.360 to um, you know, you know, get an education a 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:07.800 second to none, you know, first and foremost. I mean, 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:10.320 that's what Vanderbilt. You know stand you know, stands on 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.560 UM an opportunity to play in the SEC you know, 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:17.320 POLI five conference conference that UM has produced as many 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:21.360 pros as anybody over you know, the last ten years UM. 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:24.080 And then you know, have access to to me and 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:27.240 my staff and what we're how we're able to continue 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:30.120 your development and for guys to have aspirations of plan 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:33.440 at that next level. Obviously we have understand what that 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:37.280 looked like, you know, from from myself as well as 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:39.400 other guys that I have on staff. You know, I 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:44.840 went and it's kind of a uh, melting pot of 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.519 talent there, you know. You know Adam Azouri who worked 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:49.200 with me in Memphis, who you know, he did all 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:52.080 of the draft workouts and you know, really great. And 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.560 that's what I wanted, you know, I wanted coaches who 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:56.359 could get still get on the floor. I mean I 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:59.520 still get on the floor with him. And because I 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:01.520 can do that, I wanted coaches to still be able 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:03.679 to do that, because I think that's where they u 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:06.280 get better. I mean, yeah, you want guys that can 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.120 recruit and can relate to two guys and can call 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:13.000 them in real relationships. But once you hear you know 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:14.720 we you know, we want to focus on you. We're 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:16.880 not focusing so much on the next guys. We want 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.160 to focus on on the kids is here and knowing that, 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:22.800 you know, our staff is built to do that. I 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:24.799 got grinders. I got guys that get out there and 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.119 sweat just like the players. And I think that's when 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:30.560 you really see that return on your investment, when you 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:33.600 put that sweat equity in and and you see the results, 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:38.240 no doubt about it. Tough league Kentucky, I mean in 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:42.480 your school has beaten Kentucky and kind of see over 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:45.160 the years, but you know, two years ago before you 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:47.320 got there, they had not won a league game. Last year, 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:50.000 you guys finished strong in league, having one three right 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:53.440 there at the end. Your selection process in terms of 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:56.880 recruiting because of the rigors and the academic standards at 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:02.000 Vanderbilt are more difficult. It's a tough challenge, is not well, 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:03.880 I think you know, someone look at as a challenge. 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:06.600 Is not as easy as going in and uh walking 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.280 into the top one hundred camping. Okay, like I like him, 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.000 I like him. I like him. We have to kind 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.640 of come around the back end a little bit. We 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:15.800 have to you know, identify guys that we know are 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:18.880 good students, um and and are still really good athletes. 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.039 I mean, there's a ton of parents and kids who 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:25.839 want this environment and um and want this type of education, 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:28.440 both both both sides of it. You get the education 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:31.960 and the the athletics. Uh, there's a number of kids. 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:33.719 We just had to find them, you know, and I 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:35.360 think we've done a good job of find It's a 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:38.640 little bit tougher early on because we were we were 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:43.520 taking over another someone else's roster and and and and 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.880 I didn't I thought roster was still pretty good. And 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.080 then we you know, had hit some injuries and different 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:50.960 things like that and had to kind of readjust on 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:53.039 the fly with also the best player right in the 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:55.840 very first game of conference play and our you know, 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:59.160 starting center probably five or six games before that. So 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:02.240 it's like, okay, outlook, what I thought this team could 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:05.599 be changed kind of mid mid season, But you know, 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:09.599 I credit our guys kept fighting, kept listening, and by 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:11.640 the end of the you know, the regular season, we 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:14.599 were teaming nobody wanted to play. So I think I 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:18.760 mean we were doing that pretty much with six six 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:22.560 scholarship players and four or five walk ons. So you know, 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:25.640 now that we got a full roster, obviously, I'm optimistic 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:29.599 and really excited to get back now. As you said, 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:31.800 you kind of as far as recruiting, sometimes have to 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.240 go at it a little bit differently, and you came 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.960 about coaching a little bit differently, and you know, you 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:41.760 started watching your son play aau felt like, wow, this 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:44.880 is a little bit loose. So we're gonna get into 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:48.080 how it all evolved, how you ended up in Nashville 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:51.320 with Vanderbilt. But did you ever see before that even 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:54.279 even developed, did you think you would be post basketball 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:57.960 player a coach. Well, I mean if you look at 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:00.520 the kind of the track records for the guys for 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:03.680 that played for Dean Smith, you know, quite a few 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:05.440 of them went into the coaching ranks. I didn't think 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:08.240 I was gonna be one of them. But I just 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:12.240 think as a as a player, I always gravitated toward 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:14.760 trying to help, you know, the younger players, you know, 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:17.680 especially during my time in Detroit and Dallas. I just 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.920 took on that, you know, you know, the elder elder 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:23.679 statesman's role, you know, with the teams a lot, because 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:26.560 I didn't have that at you know, when I was 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:30.000 got drafted by the Sixers, you know, I had guys 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:31.920 that you know, almost you know something. They wanted to 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:33.880 allow you to make a mistake because it felt like 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.280 it would be another opportunity for them. You know what 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:38.320 I'm saying. The only guy that really came and took 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:41.640 me under their wings and showed me how to, you know, 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.320 chase off screens and be a shooting like I played 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:47.320 power forward in college and pretty much up until that point. 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.159 I got drafted as a shooting guard. But I've never 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.359 been a shooting guard in my life, so I needed 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:54.080 someone to to take me on the wings. And to 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:56.520 my credit, Vernon Maxwell was a guy. You know, he 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.200 just saw me getting killed off the screens and it's like, 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:01.159 come in, you know, come come, I got something for you. 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:02.520 I got something for you, and like, you know, you 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:04.600 got to put your hand on his outside hit now. 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:07.240 And then for that on I was good. You know, 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:09.600 I didn't have any problems chasing off screens. So it's 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:13.040 just you know, guys that watched me running to those 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:16.120 screens time and time again, like okay, he keep messing up, 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:18.880 and that would be my opportune. It's unfortunately, when you 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:22.160 see guys veterans that have been around that, and I 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:23.960 just said, I was never gonna be that guy. So 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:28.160 whenever I had an opportunity, no matter if they drafted 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.680 them or it was a free agent, I was gonna 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:32.840 make sure that I, you know, put my arms around 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:36.840 those guys that Jermaine Jackson's all those guys that a team. 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:39.160 Please you know you guys, you guys are staying over 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:40.920 in my house and make sure that you're not late 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:44.000 for practice as rookies. And so I think that that 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:46.400 started early on, even before I felt like I was 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:50.640 ever gonna be a coach. But I just think that, um, 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:54.160 it's kind kind of something that's in a type of 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:58.200 quality that you just just want to help. You spent 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:01.600 two years in Chapel Hill and played for the legendary 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:04.760 Dean Smith blew Heaven as we called you were thinking 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:09.440 about possibly playing at Duke and Durham, but the Carolina 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:13.160 away and playing for coach Smith. What was that like? 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.360 That must have shaped you even today as a coach. Yeah, 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:18.320 I mean it really is. I mean I've had it 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:20.720 a lot of what I do and who we are 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:24.280 in our foundation on the same foundation that I learned 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:27.160 under coach Smith. I felt I felt like it worked 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:29.240 pretty good for me, that they should worked for other 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.200 guys are inspiring to you know, play at that next 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:34.080 level and do things. But it was yeah, I mean 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:37.160 it was a challenge, you know, early on, because it 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.720 was like you come in as it's highly touted, you know, 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:42.600 high school player, and then you come into a team 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:46.360 where they just won a national championship. You know, I 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:48.560 was I was really coming to North Carolina because they 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:50.719 hadn't want the championships since Michael Jordan was there, and 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:52.360 I wanted to be the guy to help get them 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.920 over the hump and lo and behold, you know that 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:58.120 spring they went the championship. So it's like it kind 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:00.720 of took a little bit of my own fight out 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:04.520 of going there. Still the you know, the prospect of 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:07.600 playing under Dean Smith, learning him, seeing the track record 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:10.000 of the guys that have come through there, you know, 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:13.199 I stayed with my commitment, and you know, and it 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.520 was there and again as you got these hot shot 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:18.560 freshmen with myself or Sheet and Jeff McKennis. Now we're 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:21.160 coming into a team that just want a national championship, 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:24.280 and you know, we're going at him every day. And 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:28.040 so it was yeahcause I had some tough conversations where 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:30.400 I was knocking on Coach smith door, like I feel 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:32.679 like I should be playing more here I'm putting up 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:34.880 you know, these type of numbers. I'm you know, I'm 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:39.240 averaging thirteen points in eighteen minutes, so imagine if I 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:41.800 was playing twenty eight minutes or thirty. And then and 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:44.360 Coach Smith at the time told me where, you know, 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:47.480 I need you to focus on, you know, trying it 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:49.840 with Brian Reese, who's a senior. You guys need to 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:52.280 try to be the best small coard in the country together. 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:54.720 You know, as an eighteen year old, what is my raction? 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:56.280 I feel like I could be the best small forward 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:57.880 in the country by myself. I don't need to do 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:02.320 it with with Brian Reese. But it just understanding that 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:05.080 you have to have to sacrifice and that and that 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.640 was that was a challenge and what that that freshman 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:09.960 year I was, you know, I was like probably typical 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:13.400 freshman probably every other week, one week I'm happy, one 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:16.320 other week I'm ready to transfer, you know. So um, 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.240 but again, I always tell the story my mom I was, 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:21.400 you know, again, it had kind of just bawled over 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:23.640 like I was. Come back to the dome and I 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.200 was talking and telling her that I just felt like 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:28.160 I could be doing more and doing this and she 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.200 heard me out listen to my whole spill, and just 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:34.640 you know, you kindly told me, if you start running now, 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:36.439 You're gonna be running for the rest of your life. 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.000 And it was just something that that dawned on me. 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.520 And you know, I stuck it out. And I'm so 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:43.559 glad that I stuck it out. You know, two weeks later, 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:46.280 I'm the most Valuable Player of the ACC tournament and 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:49.720 you know, pretty much the rest its history. So right, 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.959 and you guys, uh mad to the final four? Right? 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:54.840 And see, yeah, we made to the final four that 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:58.400 my sophomore season, and Rashida got hurt. I got a 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.280 deep five bruised right the first play of the game. 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.120 I go back and watch that game and still, uh, 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:08.160 it's like, man, you know, how, how how did this happen? 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:10.839 On the very first jump ball? You know, Corles will 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.120 give me a knee to device, so I'm playing pretty 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:16.960 much on one leg, you know that game, hey man, 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:19.320 and we still had the big Nasty, the big nasty, 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:21.560 so it was, but yeah, we had had had a 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:24.640 really good team and a really good run, you know, 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.720 at the end of that, uh, that final four run. 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.400 Made A decision to to leave, talked it over the 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.400 coach Smith for my mom and felt like it was 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:36.320 the best thing for me to to leave. After my 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:41.680 sophomore year, got drafted by Philadelphia and uh, you know, 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:44.080 it was there for for a number of years. We 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.840 weren't good teams, weren't playoff teams. So I was able 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.600 to go back and finish up school and all those 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:51.559 things thing promises that I made the coach Smith for 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.360 my mom, And I'm so glad that I did that, 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:56.360 you know, because now I wouldn't If I didn't do that, 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:59.280 I wouldn't have the opportunity to do what I'm doing now. 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:02.440 And us you know, coaching coaching at the collegiate level, right, 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:06.079 such such a great thing to finish your education. And 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.160 then you come to Philadelphia, as you say, you were 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:11.199 the number three pick. That was my first year as well. 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:13.160 That was a big deal. I mean you came with 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:16.640 a lot of acclaim and a lot of excitement. What 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:18.920 was that like, first of all, to be drafted and 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:22.839 then come to Philadelphia and iconic NBA franchise. It was 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:27.560 really like just a blur, you know, from the high 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:30.360 school until getting to Philadelphia was really like a blur. 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:33.200 But like the two years in North Carolina, we're extremely fast, 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:37.640 you know, getting drafted, and you know, there's a you know, 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.760 unbeknownst to me, I'm just gung ho and excited about, 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:43.559 you know, being in the NBA, being in Philadelphia, I mean, 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:47.960 not knowing that the teams for sale, you know, and 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:50.520 you know, a new new ownership is about to come 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:54.240 in and the guys that that drafted me just a 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:58.120 year before weren't gonna be the decision makers going forward, 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:00.760 and you know, so it was, um, you know, it 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:03.760 had a rough year. We won you know, eighteen games 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:07.080 played with about forty people that year, some something crazy. 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:09.240 I think that might still be a record that the 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:11.640 number of people that that that Lukie ran in and 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:13.679 out of there. Everybody that had you know, been in 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:16.040 the center. He brought them in for a ten days. 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:19.440 So it was it became a little comical there at 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:22.120 the end, but it was what it is. I mean, 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:24.480 you know, at the time, and then the next year, 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:27.160 you know, they draft, you know, draft Alan, you know, 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:30.040 in my mind knowing that, I mean, I competed against 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.480 Alan and knew the type of dynamic score that he 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.400 was as well as myself that I in my mind, 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:38.720 I felt like the best fit for our team and 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.200 where we would had was with Stephan Marbury. I was, 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:43.280 you know, I was thinking Marbury was like, man, I 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:47.040 got the past first point guard and that didn't happen. 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:49.800 You know, obviously, you know Alan option has done great things. 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:52.200 He's kind of Philadelphia, but it wasn't the best fit 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:54.920 for me and and my game. You know. It was 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:56.920 a guy who needed the ball, you know. I mean 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:58.839 so many times I felt like we were on the 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:01.720 two on one break and I'm I almost got the 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:03.520 ball in my hand, and it was a pump thinking 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:06.679 the score because that's what you know, natural scorers do, 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:10.679 so you know, but um, you know, but I think 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:12.920 it was the best thing for me to eventually get 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.000 to Detroit and I was able to spread my wings 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:18.480 and show that I was still you know, all star talent, 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.960 even though again I said, I never played shooting guard 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:23.520 before in my life. But I was able to continue 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:25.920 to work and develop myself to become an All Star 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:28.880 at this level. And you know, carve out, you know, 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:33.320 a pretty long career, uh, you know, and doing something 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:37.360 that I truly loved. You had a fifty eight point game, 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:40.040 I believe it was with the Pistons against Chicago. One 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:44.680 game fifty seven Yeah, fifty highs, fifty seven's. But now 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.200 I was, I was, I had it going that night. 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:50.040 You know, quite a few guys was getting fifty points 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.360 that year, and I had a number of forty point games, 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:54.600 but I just never clipped the fifty point. And then 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:57.480 it was just like everything was quicking. I came out 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:00.600 and you know, made a couple of shot seeming close, 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:03.080 and then a few threes fall. The next thing, you know, 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:07.120 everything I threw up was going in. So and like 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:09.920 I said, I kind of got tired because when I 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.280 look back at the game and I look at some 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:16.400 of the shots that I did miss, I was like, man, honestly, 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:19.280 I probably should have had seventy five this game, you know, 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:22.960 and people like you crazy, Yeah you had almost sixty points, 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:25.280 and you're saying like, no, I'm telling you this right here, 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.680 I might have made this shot to make it seventy 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:32.640 five times. I should have had stack. I was gonna 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:34.200 bring us up at the end. And this is how 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:35.960 absurd it is that I'm bringing up now if you 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:38.760 said you scored fifty seven in the game, but when 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:42.520 you seemed up the ball, most guys your middle fingers 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:45.080 right in the middle, but you seemed up the ball 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:47.400 with your index finger in the middle. And the reason 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:50.440 I jokingly bring it up is we had a preseason 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:53.240 game your second year. Johnny Davis was our coach. We 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:55.960 were in Anaheim. I believe we might have played the Clippers, 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:58.720 and I just was questioning you. I wasn't working on 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:01.240 your gripper and it didn't. But I remember I waited 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:03.600 for Johnny Davis to leave and get on the bus, 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:05.480 and then you and I sat on the bach. I 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:07.720 don't expect you to remember this. We sat on the bench. 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.360 I'm like, stack, show me that. And of course here 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:13.520 comes Johnny Davis back into the Jimmy Season stalk, and 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:16.240 he's like, you know, I coaching my guys, all right, 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:20.200 but you see the ball up differently. Yeah, I mean 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:22.400 I think, I mean I probably changed it up since 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:24.560 then too. I mean again, I was like, when that 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.480 was our first year, or that was that was my 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:30.880 second year with Johnny Davis. Um, you know, it's just 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.800 like man I was, I was still working so working 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:35.440 out the kinks, you know, working out. I mean, I 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:38.440 wish I'd have had all of the what I what 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:40.960 I know now as far as shooting the ball. If 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:42.840 I've been able to get some of the things that 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.160 I've been able to give to young guys, and I 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:47.360 think I would have become more. But and Coach Smith 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:49.120 told me, he was like, you know, you're you know 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:50.920 the way the ball release. You just gotta get more 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.840 reps and you become a pure shooter. And nothing I did. 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:57.400 I become a pure shooter, but it was just I 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.200 had to continue to get those reps and and I 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.280 kind of like it was always nice like those two 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.560 fingers put there and room right in there, put those 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:08.800 two things right in the middle of the rim as 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.120 you follow through. And now it was as you add 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:13.960 a little subtle things like rubbing my rid that's that 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.240 way that forces my elbow in instead of out. You know, 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:19.600 a little stuff like that, just a little subtle thing. 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:21.680 It's not not much, just a little rub to know 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:24.840 that I texted my ridin that my elbow was in. 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:28.320 And then you know, just standing in my circle, little 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:32.040 little pointers that over time and reps, you can really 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:36.080 improve your shooting. We'll have more of my conversation with 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:40.119 coach Jerry Stackhouse in a moment. In this time of 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:45.080 social distancing, Novacare Rehabilitation is offering physical therapy from the 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:48.520 comfort and safety of your home. 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I remember sitting with you 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:27.320 on the bench and like you played, and this was 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:30.280 part of your message to those players in those franchises, 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:32.560 and I want to get into your G League time too. 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:36.440 But where you played every position, you were the top scorer, 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:38.320 you were an all start. Toward the end of your career, 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:41.000 you were a reserve, you were the leader, and that 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.639 helped form really what you could bring to the table 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:47.119 as an assistant coach. Correct, absolutely, I mean I think 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:49.880 you understand every seat. You know, you understand the seat 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:52.840 of the star players, in the seat of guys that 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:55.440 have been star players and now you need them to 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:58.720 transition to you know, coming off the bench or even 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.920 to you know, my last year where I wasn't even 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:06.080 you know, I played, but that wasn't the thought coming 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:07.959 in was it was just to kind of be a 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:10.919 locker room guy mentor the guys making sure and we 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:13.000 need you here and there's something cool. And then I 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:16.119 wound up playing a ton, But I think that was 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:18.480 just to you know, being able to work, you know, 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:20.879 sitting all those seats, it helps me get into the 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:23.240 psyche of the kids that I that I have. Now, 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:25.600 you know, it's like there's nothing that you're going to 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:29.000 go through that you're gonna deal with um that that 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:30.639 I haven't gone through. And like I said, you just 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:32.760 got to continue to work and got to continue to 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:34.760