1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio. 3 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: Hour number two on the Drive here as the afternoon 4 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: turns into the evening. West Ruler Matt Williamson on your 5 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: twenty four to seven home of the Black and Gold, 6 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 2: and joining us now is the voice of your Pittsburgh Steelers, 7 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 2: Rob King. He also hosts in the locker room here 8 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: on this same network every single morning with our buddy 9 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 2: Max Starks, King or plenty that we want to discuss 10 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: with you. So let's dive. Let's jump right into it. 11 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 2: Matt and I spent a, you know, a chunky portion 12 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: of the first hour talking about this defense and particularly 13 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 2: that performance on Thursday night, and maybe was there a 14 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: little bit of a chicken or an egg type situation. 15 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: They were good in the first quarter, they looked sharp 16 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: in the first quarter, and then it all kind of 17 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 2: unraveled and they were facing two very good wide receivers 18 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: to the best in the league. But they're also a 19 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: defense that was playing on a short week on the road, 20 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 2: playing a lot of snaps, and a unit that has 21 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: played a lot of snaps lately. How much of Thursday 22 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 2: Night's performance will you. I don't even want to say, 23 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 2: excuse that's the wrong because we all know it wasn't 24 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: good enough. And in the NFL, doesn't matter. 25 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 3: The only teams played a road game on Thursday. 26 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: The only team you know, if it's a Tuesday during COVID, 27 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. Both teams are playing. If it's you know, 28 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 2: three games in eleven days or whatever it was that 29 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: the Steelers had last year. No one is playing the 30 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 2: tiny violin for you, but King matters. But it certainly matters. 31 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: How much how much of that could you view as 32 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: hopefully that's just a potential one off and a weird 33 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: tough spot verse just the backdrop of we know the 34 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: time of possession hasn't been good, This defense has played 35 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: way too many snaps. Are they getting worn down too 36 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: early in the season. 37 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think it should be worn down yet. 38 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 4: I mean I think you could be worn down into 39 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 4: the confines of the game. I don't know if they're 40 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 4: worn down for the course of the season. So a 41 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,399 Speaker 4: couple of things. There's a lot there. There's no real 42 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 4: easy answer. Matt had a great or no simple answer. 43 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 4: Matt had a great tweet. Matt you tweeted you retweeted it. 44 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,679 Speaker 4: I encourage everybody, by the way in the locker room 45 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 4: to follow Matt Williamson for nuggets like this one about 46 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:39,399 Speaker 4: the AFC North records on Thursday. Everybody's got a good 47 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 4: record at home, everybody's got a LOSI record on the road. 48 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 4: The real thing, Yeah, it matters. It does make a difference. Now, 49 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 4: I will say this. You know, at one point in 50 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 4: the game, I was thinking to myself, hey man, the 51 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 4: Celers are on the cusp of maybe blowing this thing 52 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 4: open and making the Bengals one dimensional. You know, the 53 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 4: the the aborted flee flicker cost him some points, I think, 54 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 4: you know, uh, I think it was second and four, 55 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 4: you know, get the first down there, get into field 56 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 4: goal range. At least they have a touchdown call back. 57 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 4: What I thought was a little bit of a let 58 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 4: that go holding penalty on Zach Frazier. Uh. And then 59 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 4: the then the you know, the toush push that went awry. 60 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 4: You know, in my mind, I'm thinking they could be 61 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 4: up seventeen nothing and forcing this team to be one dimensional. 62 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 4: So that didn't happen. Now, let's look at things from 63 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 4: the Bengals perspective. All those drop passes in the first 64 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 4: couple of drives, You Bengals just stopped themselves. Joseph ash 65 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 4: caught a pass later in the game. He had three 66 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 4: drops against Green Bay that were extremely costly that cost 67 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 4: the Bengals at least a chance to be in that game. 68 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 4: When he caught one, I think it was in the 69 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 4: third quarter, he got the Bronx cheer from the crowd. 70 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 4: You know what I mean. I'd tell you so this. 71 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 4: You know, if you're looking to from the Bengals perspective, 72 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 4: you're like, look, man, they didn't stop us. We stopped ourselves, 73 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 4: so we could have scored forty points in this game. 74 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 4: I think all of those viewpoints are relevant. What happened happened. 75 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 4: What shocked me was not that Joe Flacco could move 76 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 4: the ball. You know, he I didn't. I wasn't sure 77 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 4: he was the right choice for the Bengals. I was 78 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 4: told he was the only choice. He was the only 79 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 4: guy they wanted. They don't want to pun another especially 80 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 4: one in which Joe Burrow might be coming back. And 81 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 4: you know, we saw in the second half of the 82 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 4: game against Green Bay that he kind of unlocked what 83 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 4: was capable in that offense and then we saw it 84 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 4: on full display on Thursday night. But what bothered me 85 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 4: was that the Bengals did whatever they wanted. He didn't 86 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 4: take anything away, and that I think is a little 87 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 4: bit troublesome. You know, when the Jets wanted to run, 88 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 4: you couldn't take that away. When the Bengals wanted to run, 89 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 4: they ran. When they wanted to throw, they threw so short, weaker, 90 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 4: oh short week. I think that's something, especially with the 91 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 4: personnel the Steelers have. The Steelers have plenty of personnel 92 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 4: in my opinion, to be a top notch defense. They 93 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 4: showed it for a couple of weeks that they had 94 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 4: that capability. I don't know if we've seen it completely 95 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 4: for sixty minutes. Maybe against the Browns, I would say, yeah, 96 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 4: against the Browns we did see it for sixty minutes. 97 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 4: We saw it for about fifty five minutes against the Vikings. 98 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 4: I just think that it's you know, it was bothersome 99 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 4: to see that, but it's also another step on the 100 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 4: way to the journey. I mean, I don't know what 101 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 4: to think about the NFL this year. I don't remember 102 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 4: being at this point in the season where I thought 103 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 4: there were no super teams, a lot of teams capable 104 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 4: of being that team that can represent you in the 105 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 4: Super Bowl. You know, I was talking with west Matt 106 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 4: one to twenty power rankings. By one of them we 107 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 4: look at the athletic in ESPN and a couple other ones. 108 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 4: One was the Buccaneers. Honey was Houston. If you told 109 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 4: me right now those teams are going to play in 110 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 4: the Super Bowl, I'd be like, Okay, that doesn't sound 111 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 4: out of the realm of possibility. And they're one and 112 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 4: twenty and then so there's lots of teams in between them. 113 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 4: By the way, Baltimore wasn't in that list, Cincinnati wasn't 114 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 4: in that list. I think those teams are going to 115 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 4: be factors down the stretch. I just think there's it 116 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 4: is just a crazy season in the NFL. That's the 117 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 4: global picture. That the smaller picture is the fact that 118 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 4: the Bengals kind of were able to dictate to the Steelers. 119 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 4: That was a problem at some point, lead or no lead. 120 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 4: You need to be able to stop something and dictate 121 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 4: to the other team. The Steelers weren't able to do 122 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 4: that at Thursday night. 123 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, you said a lot of good stuff there. I 124 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 3: don't to piggyback on it, and Wes, we'll talk about 125 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 3: this more in the next segment, but just globally, I 126 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 3: know who the terrible teams are, and boy, did this 127 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 3: weekend show five or six teams that are flat out embarrassing. 128 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 3: And I know the Bengals and Steelers aren't one of them. 129 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 3: But I don't know who the good teams are yet. 130 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,799 Speaker 3: I mean, that could be one of twenty year twenty 131 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 3: two teams. I think that's one hundred percent true. And 132 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 3: then Friday, the day after the game, we were in 133 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 3: here doing the show and I said, hey, it's far 134 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 3: from great that Higgins and especially Chase just lit you up. 135 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 3: But sometimes Jordan goes for sixty, you know what I mean, 136 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 3: Like Chase was the best player on the field. But 137 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 3: to me, the sin was allowing Chase Brown to have 138 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 3: as many big holes as he did. You know, at 139 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 3: least take something away to what you were saying before. 140 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 3: And Wes and I really talked about this a lot 141 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 3: in the first hour, you know, a lot more time 142 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 3: to reflect. I'd watched the All twenty two and by 143 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 3: no means am I saying this is okay? Because what 144 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 3: the defense did on Thursday night was not okay. It 145 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 3: was not okay. But I think from a global head 146 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 3: coaching perspective, you know, Wes and I were saying, how 147 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 3: about more press coverage, how about putting someone closer to 148 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 3: line of scrimmage to stop the run. We didn't see 149 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 3: a lot of those things. They made adjustments, but they 150 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 3: didn't do a lot of those things. And then as 151 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 3: we're talking through it, I kind of ended last segment going, 152 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 3: I kind of get it again. It was not okay. 153 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 3: But if I'm Tomlin, I'm sitting there thinking my offense 154 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 3: is running all over the field on this bad defense. 155 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 3: If I allow points in this game, so be it. 156 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 3: And if they have to have long sustained drives, eventually 157 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: they're gonna have a holding penalty, or my defense is 158 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 3: gonna pick one off, or we're gonna have a strip 159 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 3: sack as we always do, or a batted pass and 160 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 3: something good is getting you know, we're gonna make a 161 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 3: big play on defense because we always do and we're 162 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 3: the best team in the league at it. I know 163 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 3: I'm rambling, but I think in the end, the philosophy was, 164 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 3: let's make them sustain long drives and just don't get 165 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 3: beat over the top because we know we're gonna drop 166 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 3: thirty on these guys. And that's such a different philosophy 167 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 3: than Duc Trubisky, Russell Wilson. You know, like we can 168 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 3: allow them to get to twenty or even thirty in 169 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 3: this game because our offense is hstad defense. 170 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 4: Again so much, I mean, I'm going to drive right 171 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 4: into the studio and do the rest of the shows. No, 172 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 4: there's so much to talk about. But everything you said 173 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 4: was true, you know, in the in the matchup show 174 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 4: that we do with Missy I. You know, look, you're 175 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 4: looking for matchups. I don't want to pat myself at 176 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 4: the back and say a genius because you're like, Okay, 177 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 4: Chase and Higgins, now what you know? And mine was 178 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 4: Chase Brown just because you know, two point seven yards 179 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 4: per carry, you'd like to make, you'd like to take 180 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 4: something away, and the Steelers didn't take anything away, and 181 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 4: so that was I think to me, the biggest problem 182 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 4: was that you took nothing away from the Bengals, and 183 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 4: that's you know, that's you know, sort of shame on 184 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 4: you for not being able to do that. But also 185 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 4: you're right about the fact that you were scoring a 186 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 4: bunch of points and it's and you know what, you 187 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 4: can look at this game and say, the defense didn't stop. Okay, 188 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 4: that's gonna happen in the NFL. R that I mean, 189 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 4: the other teams have coach is in great players, and 190 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 4: look how much money the Bengals have invested in their offense. 191 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 4: They expect to be that's an expectation for the Bengals. 192 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 4: What we saw there, that's their way of winning games, 193 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 4: you know what I mean, when they're constructed, they're saying, 194 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 4: we got to get the first one to thirty four wins. 195 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 4: They lost a bunch of games in which they scored 196 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 4: thirty three points last year, center an NFL record and 197 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 4: doing that, and so you could also, you know, they 198 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 4: talked the students, you know, preach and they're not the 199 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 4: only ones about complimentary football. You can easily look at 200 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 4: this game and say, you know what lost it for us? 201 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 4: Not the defense, the two turnover right for us? 202 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know you lost the. 203 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 4: Turnover battle two to nothing. Now also say this, you 204 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 4: know there's an unbelievable play on Metcalf Metcalf after the 205 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 4: games that I got to catch it. I get it. 206 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 4: That guy the defensive back made an incredible play. Meanwhile, 207 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 4: the Bengals throwing up it gets you know, it's wasting 208 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 4: up in the air, you know, and and they wind 209 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 4: up catching it for a first down. You know, go 210 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 4: back to the week before with the Browns. How many 211 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 4: intersects did the Steelers leave out there? And with all 212 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 4: the turnovers they created, even in Dublin and Minnesota, you know, 213 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 4: loose ball on there, the Bengals pounce on it. I mean, 214 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 4: there are It really feels like the Steelers have had 215 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 4: a little bit of bad turnover look and you know, 216 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 4: if that if that turnover battle is one one, you know, yeah, 217 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 4: you threw one and now you get one back. Even 218 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 4: if it was one nothing, I think the Steelers still 219 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 4: would have won the game. And that, you know, I'm 220 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 4: not I'm not laying at it the feet of Rodgers 221 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 4: who made you know, that one throw up the sideline. 222 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 4: That's another takeaway. By the way, So I was talking 223 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 4: to people from Cincinnati said, how come more people aren't 224 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 4: weren't picking the Steelers to do better this year? Because 225 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 4: I want to be I want an out of market 226 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 4: view because to me, they're better across the board, and 227 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 4: they got a quarterback who's better and and they they 228 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 4: told me, look, we I think a lot of people 229 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 4: just kind of thought Rogers was done. You look at 230 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 4: the stats last year and the record with the Jets, 231 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 4: and I think, if you're gonna take something away from 232 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 4: this game, if you're a non Steelers fan, you're gonna 233 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 4: look at this and say, Rogers still has a lot 234 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 4: in the tank. I mean his mobility, his arm strength, 235 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 4: every the magic. He still has a lot of those things. 236 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 4: I think that you know, we talk about this a lot. 237 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 4: How good of a team do you need to have? 238 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 4: How good of a quarterback do you need to have 239 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 4: to win a Super Bowl or to be in contention. 240 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 4: I don't see how you could watch that game and 241 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 4: not think, you know, from outside of the market, not think, hey, 242 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers is one of those guys that can help 243 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 4: you in a Super Bowl. Because I thought he was 244 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 4: fantastic mobility, arm strength, the Roger touched, the Rogers magic. 245 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 4: I thought a lot of that stuff was on display 246 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 4: on Thursday night. 247 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they rewind just a minute too. Like I 248 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 3: think a lot of our listeners look at Tomlin or 249 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 3: head coaches in general, of course Tomlin, because they're so 250 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 3: focused on this team and almost forget what his really 251 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 3: only job is is to figure out the best path 252 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 3: to win the game. If it's forty two to forty one, 253 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 3: he did his job. If it's two to nothing, he 254 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 3: did his job. And I bet going into this game 255 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 3: he thought there's going to be a lot of points 256 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 3: scored because their defense is bad and I like where 257 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 3: our offense is at, and you know, they have some 258 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 3: scary dudes, and he's very familiar with Flacco, and if 259 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 3: I play a lot of pressman coverage, I know Joe's 260 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 3: going to chuck it up over the top because he's 261 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,719 Speaker 3: like the least bashfall quarterback in the league. And we're 262 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 3: gonna get defensive pass interference calls. And they didn't play 263 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 3: well enough. But I'm sure Tomlin also thought, I bet 264 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 3: we make more big plays on defense than the Bengals 265 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 3: do because we always do. And that did happen. Yep. 266 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 4: Well, you had another you know, speaking of of Mike Tomlin, 267 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 4: because you know, you know a lot of fans, oh typical, right, 268 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 4: you know, it's typical Steelers lost, But and you had 269 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 4: another threat. I think it was a different one than 270 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 4: the one that you posted about the win loss on Thursday. 271 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 4: Nights about since Mike Tomlin took over. Uh, he has 272 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 4: the fourth fewest wins fourth, I'm sorry, fourth fewest losses 273 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 4: against teams with eight or fewer wins. So I by 274 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 4: losing teams and it's another another bad loss for the Steelers. 275 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 4: Well you know what, the rest of the league is 276 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 4: doing that too. He has the losses, you know, fort Lewiste. 277 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 4: So just think about this. Any game, any game Bill 278 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 4: Belichick and Tom Brady lost was a bad loss, right, 279 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 4: you know game that's right. I mean, you know, I 280 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 4: love the passion and and if you're a Steelers fan, 281 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 4: you're right, man. This hasn't been a smooth journey to 282 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 4: this point. I don't think that very many teams have 283 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 4: had smooth jersey as smooth journeys. 284 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 2: Look at just one of the Colts. 285 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 4: Look at the Colts. I mean well even even at 286 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 4: six and one, man, they should have lost that game today. Uh, 287 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 4: there was another game that that I think. 288 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 2: They Arizona they come from. 289 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. How did you can be an Arizona 290 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 4: fan or a Giants fan? Right now? Arizona has five 291 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 4: losses by a combined thirteen points. Because you could maybe 292 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 4: chalk that up to they don't know how to win. 293 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 4: And look at the Giants. I mean, the Giants go 294 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 4: on the road, they beat the three and zero Chargers, 295 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 4: whoere everybody's darling, you know, up there the top of 296 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 4: the of the rankings, and the Giants beat them. And 297 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 4: then two weeks later on guess what a Thursday Division 298 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 4: night at home, they pummeled the Eagles them. 299 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 3: And there were even like preseason expectations for the Giants 300 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,479 Speaker 3: or Cardinals let alone. But how about like the Bills 301 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 3: and the Ravens, I mean, some of the Super Bowl favorites. 302 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 3: Phillies had some tough times. I mean, like the teams 303 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 3: in the league have struggled. 304 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 4: It's crazy. The Giants should be three and four, and 305 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 4: easily they win an overtime game against Dallas, they could 306 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 4: easily be four and three the Giants, so a team 307 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 4: that nobody was picking to do anything. The Cardinals could 308 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 4: have a winning record. I mean, and other teams, you know, 309 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 4: other teams have pulled. I mean, the Broncos lost the 310 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 4: game they shouldn't have lost, but they pulled two or 311 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 4: three rabbits out of the hat. And I guarantee in 312 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 4: the in the rankings this week, you know they'll be 313 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 4: up there somewhere in the top five deservedly. So they're 314 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 4: five and two, but that's a team that could be 315 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 4: three and four. 316 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 3: You know. 317 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 4: It's just I don't ever remember a season like this. 318 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 4: And as it pertains to the Steelers, you know, look, 319 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 4: they they're no matter what we say, They're gonna play 320 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 4: a stretch of games beginning on Sunday night, the next 321 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 4: six or seven games that are gonna be difficult games 322 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 4: leading up to the game against Miami. You know, they've 323 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 4: you know, Baltimore's gonna be better. They got Buffalo in 324 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 4: that stretch, they have Green Bay. It is. We're gonna 325 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 4: know they're four and two right now. So what did 326 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 4: HERM Edwards say? You play to win the games. Right, 327 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 4: Let's see what the Let's see what the record is 328 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 4: at the end of the stretch of games, and that's 329 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 4: going to tell the story. I am not. I am not, 330 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 4: you know, ready to go to survivor mode and buy 331 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 4: cans of food and toilet paper and paper towels and 332 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 4: run for the hills. I just I think it was 333 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 4: a loss on a on a Thursday night that that 334 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 4: showed some things they got to pick up on and 335 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 4: now you move on and you take on green Bay. 336 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 2: And we will be looking forward to that contest against 337 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 2: Green Bay. Historical matchup, historical franchises, and Aaron Rodgers storyline 338 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 2: against his old team. That'll be a lot of fun 339 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 2: on Sunday night. Keger will be looking forward to your 340 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 2: call and a and a big test for the Steelers 341 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 2: coming up here at the end of the week. Rob King, 342 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: Voice of your Pittsburgh Steelers. Thanks for taking the time 343 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 2: on a Monday partner. 344 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 4: Thanks guys, I appreciate it. Talk to you soon. 345 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 2: There he goes the King in the Castle, now exiting 346 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 2: the castle, Rob King. The best part about having that 347 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 2: guy on is we asked him like three or four 348 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 2: questions and we killed twenty minutes. 349 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was on fire. 350 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 2: Him and labs. You don't have to you don't have 351 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 2: to throw them too many ala yukes, just one or 352 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 2: two and they will. They will make good do that's 353 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 2: for sure. 354 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 3: Look at me learning radio stuff. It will segue in 355 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 3: the next into the next segment. But Rob had a 356 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 3: good point about the rest of the league too. It's 357 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 3: a it's a too much. I mean, the year is 358 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 3: pretty who's good. I'm not sure I know who's bad. 359 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 3: I'm not sure who's good. 360 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 2: I know Tampa Bay is good. Yeah, although tonight. 361 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 3: They could cast that good Night, it could get could. 362 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 2: Lose by seventeen tonight and it wouldn't shock me. Yeah, no, absolutely, 363 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 2: we certainly know who's bad who's good, though still leaving 364 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 2: a lot to be desired. We'll get into all of 365 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 2: that when we return and we go around the league. 366 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 2: Wes Shuler Matt Williamson recapping a crazy Sunday across the NFL. 367 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 2: On the other side, it is the Drive on Steelers 368 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 2: Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network, your tunes. 369 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of 370 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 1: the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio. 371 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 2: A wild Sunday Week seven across the NFL, and also 372 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 2: a pair of intriguing a pair of dare I say, 373 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 2: scintillating Monday night matchups Tonight, Matt, we have one plenty 374 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 2: plenty to get into here in the final kind of 375 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five minutes or so of the show, So 376 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 2: let's jump right into it. We'll start by giving some 377 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 2: thoughts on each of these games before you do. On Sunday. 378 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, one thing really stood out to me yesterday or 379 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 3: two things of note that I think were important and 380 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 3: kind of go hand in hand. Again, the bad teams. 381 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 2: Are real bad, real bad. 382 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 3: The Raiders Wolf, they ran thirty plays? Is that it 383 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 3: they ran thirty plays? And I think the Chiefs ran 384 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 3: like seventy seven. 385 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 2: The Titans Wolf. 386 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 3: Titans are horrendous dolphins Wolf. Yes, the Jets Wolf, I 387 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 3: mean just awful, awful teams. I mean I don't put 388 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 3: the Jags in that that situation, but they get their 389 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 3: doors blown off by the Rams thirty to seven or 390 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 3: something like that, thirty five and never was in doubt. 391 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 3: I mean there were bad teams. There are bad teams, 392 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 3: and there were a couple of bad performances, including I 393 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 3: thought Atlanta last night. And we saw a lot of 394 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 3: backup quarterbacks, especially in those games too, you know, like 395 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 3: Gino gets bench at the end. Fields might be benched 396 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 3: for good. Bryce Young isn't going to play next week either, 397 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 3: and they might be better off without them. And it's 398 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 3: preset better than Kyler Murray. I mean, I think the 399 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 3: offense stays on schedule better. And you know there was 400 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 3: a lot of backups in games, some on purpose, you know. 401 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 2: Uh you mentioned all of that, and the poor kind 402 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 2: of quarterback play in the backups, and so I ask you, 403 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: and it lines up first on our kind of chronological timeline. 404 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 2: You sell. I know you were one of the guys 405 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 2: holding on to your Trevor Lawrence. 406 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 3: It's getting hard to hold. 407 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's selling your Trevor Lawrence stuff at this point. 408 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 3: I'm close. Uh. And then that's not to say he 409 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 3: stinks he's never going to be I mean he's JaMarcus 410 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 3: Russell that he's a terrible player, and I don't and 411 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 3: I've sold the stock that one day. I think he's 412 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 3: going to be great, you know, Like and there's a 413 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 3: lot of instances in history, like Matthew Stafford's a great one, 414 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 3: like when Master Stafford was this stage of his career 415 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 3: is the first overall pick. He was with the poor Lions, 416 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 3: and people are like, he's all right, but he's. 417 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 2: Never gonna be that, you'll never get you over the top, right. 418 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 3: And then he gets you over the top, you know. 419 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 3: So I still think those things are possible, but it's 420 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 3: getting harder and harder. And I do make a lot 421 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 3: of excuses for Lawrence, but there's five throws a game 422 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 3: where you're like, you'll make a throw I mean that's 423 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 3: that's a layup or eight foot jumper. I mean it's 424 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 3: an easy You got to make those almost all the 425 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 3: time in this league. You can't throw five passes away 426 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: a game that should be completions. I mean that's yeah, 427 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 3: right right, But a lot watching Pennix last night too, 428 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 3: it's the same way. It's like, can you complete an 429 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 3: easy one once in a while, you know, I mean 430 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 3: all the time. 431 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 2: I just hit a law But. 432 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 3: One thing about the Jags is I even tweeted this, 433 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 3: like and halfway through the second quarter, I'm like, everything 434 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,959 Speaker 3: about this team's playing bad. I mean, anytime that they 435 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 3: would make a big completion, it was like, okay, holding 436 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 3: or someone's off side. 437 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 2: That's one thing I'll give Lawrence is he's not getting 438 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 2: much of. 439 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 3: This second year in a row. They're first in the 440 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 3: league and drops. 441 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 2: Like his wide receiver, like he misses a lot of 442 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 2: throws that he should make, and then his wide receivers 443 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 2: also drop a lot of passes they should catch. It's 444 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 2: a bad coin. 445 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 3: Like twenty five games in a row where they're like 446 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 3: the worst team in that regard, And I wonder I 447 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 3: did a lot of like fantasy work on on Travis 448 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 3: Hunter because I adore him, and he's like on all 449 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 3: my teams and all my Dynasty teams, and I'm like, why, 450 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 3: what's the problem here? Early on, and I didn't realize 451 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 3: that the Jags defense and offense is considered basically the 452 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 3: most complex in the league. So at Colorado they're like, 453 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 3: just cover that, dude, or hey, you don't even have 454 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 3: to go to wide receiver meetings, you know, like so 455 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 3: it might be time to concentrate on one or the other. 456 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 3: But this isn't even a Hunter thing as much as 457 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 3: the entire offense looks like they don't know what they're doing, 458 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 3: you know, like they they're aligned wrong all the time. 459 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 3: They're always looking like am I you know. 460 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 2: Like they've got some good pieces, right, But. 461 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 3: I wonder if they're if this new head coach, who's 462 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 3: considered a super brainiac egghead nerd type is just filling 463 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 3: putting too much out there. They need to simplify things 464 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 3: a little bit too. He's teaching Lawrence looks that way. 465 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 2: He's teaching a p U S. History. He's got a 466 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 2: bunch of like C students, yeah. 467 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 3: Or like we never learned, you know, eighth grade history, right, 468 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 3: you know, like, you know, like in math, you got 469 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 3: to think. 470 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 2: I never took that stuff, you know, right, And where's 471 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 2: trigonometry in this equation? That's that's very well said by you. 472 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 3: Oh the ram. I wanted to talk about it, just 473 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 3: we're not gonna spend this much time in every game. 474 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 3: But mcveigh's the best coach in the league in my opinion. 475 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 3: And he did two things that blew me away. Is 476 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 3: I think we talked about this Friday, but I didn't 477 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 3: realize that they played Baltimore, and I thought they went 478 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 3: back to LA and and I was critical. I'm like, 479 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 3: that's crazy to go from LA to London. 480 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 2: They stayed in practice, the Orioles. 481 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 3: And they stayed in practice. I found that out after 482 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 3: I had criticized them late last week. I'm like, good, good, 483 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 3: that's smart. But the other thing he did, which this 484 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 3: you might think this is nuts. I thought it was 485 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 3: nuts since we were just in in Great Britain anyway, 486 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 3: you are just in Dublin. They went the day before. 487 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 3: They treated it like LA was playing the Ravens, which 488 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 3: really isn't that different. 489 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 2: Five hours in Baltimore. Six hours? 490 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, right. They treated it like a West Coast They 491 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 3: left they spent one night there, so they left Saturday. Yeah. Wow, 492 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 3: they treated it like it was an East coast to 493 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 3: West coast team. 494 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 2: Or did they take a red eye Friday night and 495 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 2: then spent one night there regardless. 496 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, but they spent one night in a hotel. 497 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 2: Interesting bonkers as bonkers, but it worked. 498 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 3: They ran and they ran away from that game. And 499 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 3: then the other thing they did that mcveigh's so smart. 500 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 3: They didn't have Puka, so they set including the Steelers 501 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 3: played more thirteen personnel than any team in any game 502 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 3: yesterday of the whole season. We're gonna put a ton 503 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 3: of tight ends out there and do blocking stuff with them, 504 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 3: you know, Okay, we didn't see that coming. 505 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 2: One thing I've always liked about McVeigh. Yeah, if you 506 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 2: give him, if you give him high quality ingredients, he's 507 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 2: going to get you a Michelin star chef mill. If 508 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 2: you give him some ground beef, he's gonna make you 509 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 2: a really good cheeseburger. 510 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 4: Yeah. 511 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like it's one thing he does very well. 512 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 2: A team that is definitely feeling good about themselves, Matt 513 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 2: is the Chicago Bears. 514 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 3: Four Yeah, they're turning the corner too. 515 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 2: Four straight wins on the bounce for the Bears after 516 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 2: taking down the Saints twenty six to fourteen. 517 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 3: This hire is starting to really pay off and they're 518 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 3: starting to feel really Lions esque. Now these two aren't 519 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 3: as good as gibbson Montgomery, but the rookie running back, 520 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 3: he's just a total hammer. 521 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, him and Swift. 522 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 3: Him and Swift have kind of that Montgomery feel to him. 523 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, mona guy. Is that how we pronounced Kyle? 524 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 2: Is his first name money and I've been saying it correct. 525 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 3: Now you're making me think anyway. But he's a hammerhead. 526 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 3: And you know, Swift is like the change of pace guy. 527 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 3: And much like they did with Goff when he came 528 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 3: to Detroit, they're really dialing back things for Caleb, you know, 529 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 3: like just make the throws when we need them. Stuff. 530 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 3: We're gonna run the ball with the two headed monster 531 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 3: and it's starting to take shape. 532 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 2: It absolutely is four wins in a row and uh man, 533 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 2: maybe the most optimistic they've felt in Chicago for a 534 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 2: long time. 535 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 3: They get the Ravens next week, so maybe they bump 536 00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 3: them off. That'd be great. 537 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 2: That would be fans heading in the opposite direction, and 538 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 2: I would be surprised if there aren't massive changes in 539 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 2: this organization soon the Dolphins go to Cleveland and get 540 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 2: boat raced thirty one to six. 541 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 3: That one might be get fired in the next hour 542 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 3: type of thing. 543 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 2: I honestly was kind of surprised that it didn't happen, 544 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 2: you know, before before lunch on Monday. 545 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, two us throwing picks left and right. 546 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 3: It's another one, Quinn Yours is out there. Oh man. 547 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't even know if Cleveland played that great. 548 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 3: I mean their defense was. 549 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 2: Good, Junkins ran well. 550 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you could tell one was a well 551 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,479 Speaker 3: coached team and the other one isn't. The Browns are 552 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 3: a well coached team. You can say what you want 553 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 3: about them. I don't think they're a great organization, but 554 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 3: I think they're a well coached team. Besides the ball 555 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 3: I agree, and some of that was garbage time points. 556 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 3: I didn't think the Browns were great, but you lose 557 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 3: that bad to a team like the Browns. How the 558 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 3: season's going, it's the seats on fire. 559 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:58,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, revenge Matt a dish best served cold and 560 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 2: it was a fun Venuein's trip for Mike Rabel and 561 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 2: a lot of his former staff. Yeah, predictable. Formerly in Tennessee, 562 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 2: I think we all thought that the Patriots would win, 563 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 2: but man thirty one to thirteen, they dominated. They're now 564 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 2: five and two, and matt if you look at their 565 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 2: next five or six games, it's like the je and 566 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 2: the Dolphins, in the Bengals and the Browns. I mean, 567 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 2: this team could be could be nine and three in 568 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks. 569 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, they looked like a double digit win team. Yeah. 570 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 3: It lines up for sure. 571 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 2: Another team much like Tennessee, much like Miami, moving in 572 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 2: the wrong direction. I think we all thought that the 573 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 2: Chiefs would handle the Raiders, but thirty one to nothing, 574 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 2: good Lord. 575 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 3: They're the most disappointing team to me, agreed, because I 576 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 3: thought they would take a step forward with a legit quarterback, 577 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 3: a legit coach. 578 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 2: Of the teams that are most surprising in a good way, 579 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 2: I think it's Indianapolis. Maybe we could be starting to 580 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 2: get there with Chicago. The teams that are most surprising 581 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 2: in a bad way, there's a couple, but it's certainly 582 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 2: the Raiders. 583 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 3: I think so too, because, like I mean, the Titans 584 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 3: at the first pick in the draft last year, Miami. 585 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,719 Speaker 3: You could kind of see it coming. You knew there 586 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 3: was any problems with the Jets. This team I thought 587 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 3: would go forward, not backwards. 588 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. Leveled up at head coach, Yeah, I thought they 589 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 2: improved a quarterback. 590 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 3: Right. 591 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 2: The defense in the offense has some other pieces, but 592 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 2: they are just so bad in the trenches. They can't 593 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 2: do anything. 594 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 3: And to be fair, they didn't ad Myers, they didn't Embowers, 595 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 3: Crosby got hurt. Yeah, I mean, like good, that's a problem. 596 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 3: Good luck, right, They're not a very good roster. 597 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 2: Eagles respawn after two straight losses. No vengeance being served 598 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 2: by Carson Wentz as Philly goes into Minnesota and a professional, 599 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 2: buttoned up performance take care of business twenty eight to 600 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 2: twenty two. 601 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 3: The huge takeaway here is Flores begged them to throw 602 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 3: and Hurts did it really well, which we haven't seen 603 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 3: a lot. I mean, it's like three hundred yards combined 604 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 3: for aj Brown and Devonte Smith. Going to leave those 605 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 3: two alone, I am going to beat you that way. 606 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 2: If he goes nineteen of twenty three for three hundred 607 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 2: and twenty some yards, the Egros are going to be 608 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 2: one of the last teams standing again. 609 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 3: If that box had not been checked for a while. 610 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 2: It had not, and it and it was once again. 611 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 2: And maybe they're feeling certainly better in Philadelphia this week 612 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 2: than they have the last couple of weeks. Panthers go 613 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 2: into MetLife opportunity for the Jets to get that first 614 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 2: win of the season. They do not, thirteen to six, 615 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 2: as the Jets remain the lone winless team in the NFL. 616 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 3: I know Fields got hurt, but I think he's getting 617 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 3: benched too, And I think they're hard quarterback and they 618 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 3: must have a one and done coach. Yeah, I mean 619 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 3: they're really really bad. 620 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 2: They're another one of those Raiders type. I didn't think 621 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 2: you were going to make the playoffs, but I didn't 622 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 2: think you were going to be this b I thought 623 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 2: you could win seven or eight games, right right right, 624 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 2: they've already lost seven and seven tries. Horrible Matt In 625 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 2: one of the craziest, wildest performances that will see this 626 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 2: season that we've seen in the long in a long time, 627 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 2: the Broncos score thirty three fourth quarter points to beat 628 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 2: the Giants thirty three to thirty two. Just insane and Dark. 629 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 3: Played well and it's gotta be you know, those guys 630 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 3: are there. Kind of fun, you know, But to me, 631 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 3: the biggest takeaway and Rob sort of mentioned this too. 632 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 3: He mentioned the Giants like, I don't think they know 633 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 3: how to win, yet they might learn. I mean a 634 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 3: young this coach was, stand it, who knows. So they're 635 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 3: they're at least showing progress and learning how to win 636 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 3: in this league. Denver, we know their defense is great, 637 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 3: kind of go worn out, they were on the field 638 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 3: so much, but the Denver offense was terrible for three 639 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 3: quarters and then Nicks just exploded, and you know, Peyton 640 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 3: realized this is the only we're gonna have to totally 641 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 3: take the governor off. Yeah, and he's a very streaky player, 642 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 3: even going back to Oregon. But I don't know, if 643 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 3: I know they won. Should we be excited that the 644 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 3: offense is capable of doing what they did in the 645 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 3: fourth quarter, or should we be miserable that ninety percent 646 00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 3: of the quarters they've played this year looked like the 647 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 3: you know, on a great point. 648 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 2: Maybe it's a turning point for them and just what 649 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 2: they needed, right, r Right, it's a little bit of 650 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 2: a false dawn. Yeah, we'll wait and see. 651 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 3: I mean, Peyton's held knicks back on purpose. I mean 652 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 3: he can really. Yeah, you govern him, you know, maybe 653 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 3: he's gonna be like, all right, I'll let him win 654 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 3: a little. 655 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 2: Bit, cut loose a little bit more. A insane stat. 656 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 2: NFL teams had won one thousand. I don't know if 657 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 2: you've seen this. NFL teams had won one thousand, six 658 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 2: hundred and two straight games when a team leads by 659 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 2: eighteen or more points in the final six minutes of 660 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 2: a game, sixteen hundred and two straight games until the 661 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 2: Giants led the Broncos twenty six to eight with six 662 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 2: minutes left and the Broncos came back to win. First 663 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 2: time in over sixteen hundred games that that has happened 664 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 2: in the NFL met insane. 665 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 3: So my son, amongst other vices, is taking up gambling 666 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 3: a little bit too, yeah, exactly. And he texted me 667 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 3: he I guess he live bet the Broncos at like 668 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 3: plus five hundreds when they were losing heavy, And he 669 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 3: texted me with like a minute left in the game. 670 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 3: It's like this was the hardest beat of my life, 671 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 3: you know, Like, I can't believe the Broncos end up 672 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 3: losing one. 673 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 2: I just almost turned ten dollars into you know, he 674 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 2: bets like two turned two bucks into twenty bucks. 675 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 3: But he's like, I almost cashed out huge, I mean, 676 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 3: and the Broncos are gonna blow it. Then I get 677 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 3: a text like two minutes later he's like, this is 678 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 3: the best way in my life. 679 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 2: Right there, young man. 680 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 3: Is gambling like a good lesson. 681 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is funny. The Chargers at Home Met not 682 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 2: only performed poorly but also wore I think the ugliest 683 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 2: uniforms I've seen in the NFL team ever wear as 684 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 2: they fell to the Colts thirty eight to twenty four. 685 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 3: Herbert was great. They got receivers now all of a sudden, 686 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 3: Johnston McConkey, This Gadson kid is pretty impressive. Keenan Allen's 687 00:33:54,880 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 3: far from dead. But Colts are an offensive jugger. They 688 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 3: don't have any weaknesses, any weaknesses like. 689 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 2: I still have. I think the only thing you could 690 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 2: say about them at this point is do they run 691 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 2: into Buffalo or Kansas City in the playoffs and and 692 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 2: Daniel Jones has to outduel one of those future gold 693 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 2: jacket guys and it and it ends up biting you, right. 694 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 2: But other than that, I don't know where the criticism 695 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 2: is where the holes are, where the you know the 696 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 2: holes you want to punch in them? Right now? 697 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Taylor is like an offensive player the 698 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 3: Canada Warrens or Rookie of the Year candidate, you know. I 699 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,240 Speaker 3: mean they have weapons everywhere. 700 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 2: They sure do, they sure do. The Cowboys take care 701 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 2: of business against the Commanders. This one was surprising also, 702 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 2: maybe some some injury hamstring stuff with Jalen Daniels. Jade 703 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 2: and Daniels part of me. Jaylen Daniels is the Kansas quarterback. 704 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 2: Jade and Daniels's the Washington quarterback. Uh and yeah, the Commander. 705 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 2: I think that's the bigger story is the Commander's season 706 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 2: might be on life support here, as you know, before 707 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 2: we even get to Halloween. 708 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 3: Right, I mean, I assume he'll miss a little time. 709 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 3: I don't know, but their lack of weapons is astonishing 710 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 3: at the moment right now too. There's no receivers getting open, 711 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 3: and then the option is true for Dallas, like this 712 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,399 Speaker 3: is one of the best offenses in the league. Going 713 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 3: ceedee lamb too, you know, like, yeah, let's roll. 714 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 2: They are reminding me a little bit of the Bengals 715 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 2: last year. 716 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, very much. 717 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 2: They I think they'll play meaningful football into December and 718 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 2: they'll be in a wild card race. But it's going 719 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 2: to be a roller coaster the entire way. 720 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 3: Maybe they should trade for Hendrickson or you know, try 721 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 3: to find something on defense. 722 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 2: Wouldn't be wouldn't be the worst idea, honestly. Packers go 723 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 2: into Arizona still a Green Bay team that is not 724 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 2: playing great, but they find a way to get it done. 725 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 2: Twenty seven, twenty three, they are now for one and 726 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 2: one and as Rob King alluded to, a Cardinals team 727 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 2: that just has to be banging their head against the 728 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 2: wall because they have lost five games two and five 729 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 2: by a combined thirteen points. 730 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 3: Awful. 731 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:49,280 Speaker 2: It's tough. 732 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 3: We'll talk more Packers obviously. 733 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't need to get into them. 734 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 3: A ton big Key was six sacks. Michael Parsons was 735 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 3: the closer. 736 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 2: Say Parsons is doing Parsons things. 737 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 3: Three sacks from him and you know they he closed 738 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 3: things out. 739 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 2: It's also been nice to see Trey McBride start. 740 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 3: To get along better than him and Kyler Murray. 741 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 2: Yes they do. And I had been kind of kicking 742 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 2: myself for drafting McBride where I did in my fantasy 743 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 2: League's not these last couple of weeks. He's he's finally 744 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 2: showing that worth and you kind of reference Penix and 745 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 2: just a head scratching performance there. Off yeah, off of 746 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 2: their most encouraging performance of the season. The Falcons a 747 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 2: step back, certainly as they fall to three and three 748 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 2: the Niners, despite every reason not to continue to win games, 749 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:34,919 Speaker 2: they're five and two. 750 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,959 Speaker 3: If Colts isn't coach of the year, I was called 751 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 3: a team because it shouldn't just be the guy. Sure, 752 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 3: then it's an Ironers. I mean, they're five and. 753 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 2: Two despite every reason not to. 754 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,359 Speaker 3: Be, very reason not to be. And Kittle comes back, 755 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 3: doesn't even catch a pass, but he helps in the 756 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 3: run game. And McCaffrey is the total locomotive, but he 757 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 3: was running through much bigger holes now all of a sudden, 758 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 3: defense has nothing left but doesn't matter. Hennix is worriesome though. 759 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 2: Yes it is, yeah, or yes he is yeah, part 760 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 2: of me. And so that's kind of your week. Seven 761 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,720 Speaker 2: Sunday Slate recapped there. We have have two great games, 762 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 2: an early one and a late one tonight in the 763 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 2: Monday night doubleheader, we will give a couple thoughts on 764 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 2: those before we get up out of here. On the 765 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 2: other side, West Shooler, Matt Williamson, it's the Drive on 766 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network, your tunes. 767 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of 768 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio. 769 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 4: Final. 770 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,800 Speaker 2: A few minutes of the Drive here on a Monday 771 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 2: And I tell you what a couple of very palatable Yeah, 772 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 2: Monday night football games tonight to watch? 773 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 3: Which one was starting at ten? 774 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 2: I do wish that Texans and Seahawks was not starting 775 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 2: at ten? What a night in Seattle. I didn't even 776 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 2: think about Yeah TV. I think you'll know this is 777 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,320 Speaker 2: the Mariners are at home tonight, right, is that correct? 778 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 2: Or the Mariners? Is that one in? No, that one's 779 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 2: in Toronto, because the Mariners won the first two games 780 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 2: in Toronto and then and then Toronto won the next 781 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,280 Speaker 2: two in Seattle. So I was gonna say, man, Monday 782 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 2: night football and a game seven to go to the 783 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 2: World Series in the same town on the same night. 784 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 2: But yeah, that will be in Toronto, that game seven 785 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 2: in the MLB tonight. But speaking of seven, it is 786 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 2: seven o'clock Bucks Lions two of the best teams in 787 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 2: the NFC. Matt, this is a real early season litmus test. 788 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a rematch. I mean, like this could 789 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 3: be the NFC championship game. 790 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 2: I think the Eagles are still gonna be in the conversation. 791 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 2: I think the Packers are going to be in the conversation. 792 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 2: But these might be two of the top three or 793 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 2: four teams in the NFC. Big One tonight and you 794 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 2: kind of met. It wouldn't shock me if the Lions 795 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 2: won big, because that's what they do, and I it's 796 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 2: a tough spot for Tampa, but Detroit favored six and 797 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 2: a half might be a little too much for my believe. 798 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 3: That's a bit much for me too, But it wouldn't 799 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 3: shock me if we get back here tomorrow. Going Lions 800 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 3: might be the best team in the league. 801 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 2: They went thirty to twenty something like that, thirty to seventeen. 802 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,360 Speaker 3: But they have some defensive injuries and Mike Evans is 803 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 3: coming back, and I would definitely take a point. 804 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 2: I think I'm taking the points too. Again, the Lions 805 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,919 Speaker 2: winning comfortably wouldn't shock me because they do that a lot. 806 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 2: It's like, if they're not losing, they're winning by double digits. 807 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 2: It's you know, go for it. 808 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 3: On fourth and run the score up, and they're aggressive. 809 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,879 Speaker 2: The Bucks have had Listen, they're a very good team, 810 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 2: one of the best in the NFL, but they've had 811 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 2: a little rabbit's foot element early on in the season 812 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 2: two where they've had a couple of those things break 813 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 2: their way. Uh maybe that comes back tonight to kind 814 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 2: of water finding its level. But I'm very excited to 815 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:51,320 Speaker 2: watch that. 816 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really cock. 817 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 2: And then the nightcap. I will promise you one thing, 818 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 2: Matt is that I will be there for kickoff. I 819 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 2: don't know how much law I'll be there for every 820 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 2: single I'll hang around. I'm gonna do my best, but 821 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 2: you know, with a four year old and a two 822 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,240 Speaker 2: year old, the mornings come very early at this stage 823 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:08,840 Speaker 2: in life for me. 824 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 3: But I try to get a half hour snooze between 825 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 3: this show. 826 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 2: It's not a bad idea first kick Seahawks hosting the 827 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 2: Texans a big one for both of these teams. If 828 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 2: Seattle wins this, they're five and two. They're still in 829 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 2: lockstep with everybody there in the NFC. 830 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 3: The if they do, we might be talking about them 831 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 3: with the. 832 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 2: Lions and. 833 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 3: Absolutely they're worthy of that. 834 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 2: And for the Texans, it's like, if you win this, 835 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 2: it's a big win on the roads, you're back to 836 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 2: five hundred. 837 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 3: They'd be three in a row for Them'd be three 838 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 3: in a. 839 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 2: Row for them. If you lose, it's like, Okay, we 840 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 2: understand it. That's a tough spot. We're not crushing you 841 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 2: for it. But you'd be two and four and you'd 842 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 2: really be chasing the Colts and really kind of putting 843 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 2: all your eggs in the wild card back. 844 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I guess they're fortunate the Jags have 845 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 3: falling apart all of a sudden, too big, But the 846 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 3: Colts aren't just within their division. I just expect a 847 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 3: really really good defense in the night. It used to 848 00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 3: be a really good, low scoring game. 849 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 2: It's a lower over under early only forty one and 850 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:02,399 Speaker 2: a half. 851 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 3: Two really good pass rushes, two really good to constructed defenses. 852 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,239 Speaker 3: I could see this being a race to you know, 853 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 3: fourteen sixteen something like that. So I would take the 854 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,719 Speaker 3: points whatever. I don't know what the line is. 855 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 2: Seattle's favored three and a half. 856 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 3: I thought it was over three. So I would definitely 857 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,280 Speaker 3: take the points here just because I think it's gonna 858 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 3: be tight. 859 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 2: That's one of those good Vegas lines, because if it's 860 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,759 Speaker 2: Seattle four and a half, I would definitely take the 861 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,839 Speaker 2: points with Houston. If it was Seattle two and a half, 862 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 2: I would definitely lay the points with the Seahawks. Yeah, 863 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 2: I think I'm with you. I think I'm gonna take 864 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 2: the points in both of these games. 865 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 3: We've talked about a lot. Seattle's so good on the road, 866 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 3: but they haven't been as great at home as you think. 867 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 2: They really have. 868 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:39,880 Speaker 3: Everyone thinks it's like the hardest place to play in 869 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 3: the league. It really hasn't been for a couple of years, though. 870 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,280 Speaker 2: I think I'll take Houston plus four and a half. 871 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 2: I'll take Tampa Bay plus six and a half. 872 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 3: I'm taking points on both. 873 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, but nothing would surprise, no result in either of 874 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,759 Speaker 2: these games tonight with surprise. I think this is a 875 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 2: real measuring stick moment for all four of these. 876 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 3: They're pretty good teams. 877 00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the way that in det in Houston 878 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 2: they'll be talking about Packers Steelers Sunday night is kind 879 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 2: of the way that you know that the works like 880 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,440 Speaker 2: it's you could see these games going either way. Whoever 881 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:09,840 Speaker 2: wins is going to be in a good position and 882 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 2: feel really strongly whoever loses is gonna be like ah, man, 883 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,360 Speaker 2: that was an opportunity to kind of stake our claim 884 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,720 Speaker 2: and and and you know, stay in the upper crust 885 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 2: conversation of the league. But it's gonna be a lot 886 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:22,439 Speaker 2: of fun. 887 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:23,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I look forward to both. 888 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 2: I'm excited about that. We'll recap both games tomorrow here 889 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,640 Speaker 2: on the show. As we roll along this week, Matt 890 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,279 Speaker 2: and I have got some other kind of fun things 891 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 2: that we've been emailing back and forth that we'll get 892 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,240 Speaker 2: into tomorrow to kind of bridge the gap of a 893 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 2: of a chunkier week content wise for us here without 894 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,879 Speaker 2: having a ton of Steelers recap today, but that will 895 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 2: do it for us on this Monday. Big thanks to 896 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 2: Rob King for joining us, and of course Tyler V 897 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,239 Speaker 2: mister TV not only our YouTube producer but also our 898 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 2: resident Major League Baseball fact checker here for us in 899 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,479 Speaker 2: this final segment for Matt Willians and I'm West Hueler. 900 00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 2: Take care everybody, We'll talk to you tomorrow. You know 901 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 2: is always where to find. It's on your twenty four 902 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 2: to seven Home of the Black and Gold. It's Steelers Nation. 903 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 2: Radio on the Steelers Audio Network.