1 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: Good day, sweet world, and welcome to a little bonus 2 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: edition of the Nodunks podcast. 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: I'm j Skeets here in Atlanta. 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 1: We got our super producer jd pushing the buttons and 5 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: joining us on the phone. We've got a very special 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: guest today. He's the editor in chief of the Athletic DC, 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: he hosts the excellent NBA podcast Hoops Adjacent, and he's 8 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: a Basketball. 9 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. 10 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: For crying a loud, it's David Aldridge. DA, thanks for 11 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: jumping on the horn today. 12 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 3: Man Skates. Thank you for having me, brother, appreciate it. 13 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: How are you holding up? Is everybody you know? Healthy? 14 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: Everybody good right now? 15 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: Yeah? 16 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 3: No, as long as the Wi Fi holds out. Our 17 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 3: boys are fine, two teenage boys. They're on their computers 18 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:49,959 Speaker 3: twenty one hours a day, you know what I mean. 19 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 3: So they're good. You know, they've been home for a 20 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 3: couple of weeks. They're doing a remote learning thing with 21 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 3: their schools. So so far, so good. We're trying to 22 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 3: kick him out of the house every day day for 23 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 3: at least half hour or so to go outside and 24 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 3: walk around, do something, you know, social distancing themselves as 25 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 3: they can. But so far, so good man. I mean, 26 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 3: you know, we're so blessed. You got to I got 27 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 3: a roof over my head, you know, I got food 28 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 3: in the pantry. You know, the lights are on. You know, 29 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 3: it's compared to what other people are going through during 30 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 3: this pandemic, you know, around the world, we have it 31 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 3: so easy and so good man. I mean, I was 32 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 3: talking to somebody the other day and I was like, 33 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 3: you know, this is so crazy. All these people are 34 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 3: talking about this incredible hardships and it's all they're making 35 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 3: us do all this stuff. You know, it's terrible things 36 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 3: we can't go And it's literally like all they're asking 37 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 3: you to do is stay home. They're not asking you 38 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 3: to go climb Mount Everest, you know, they're asking you 39 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 3: to stay in your house. You know, so as long 40 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 3: as you've got food in your house, what's the and 41 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 3: you can turn the lights on and off. What's the 42 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 3: big deal? I mean, what's the worst? That's the worst 43 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 3: thing that going to ask you to do. The people 44 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 3: are going to ask you to do the sacrifice in 45 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 3: your life. You've had a pretty good life. 46 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: So that's atractly right. 47 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I try to keep perspective on these things. 48 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: Well, that's great. I wanted to have you on here 49 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: today for a couple of reasons. They really go hand 50 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: in hand because I do sort of selfishly, you know, 51 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: want to talk talk some hoops, even if it's hypothetical hoops, 52 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: because you know, we're all trying to stay busy. We're 53 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: doing the same thing here at No Dunks. We're we're 54 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: doing movie reviews and we're recapping Survivor and like we're 55 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: getting silly and stuff. But it is nice to talk 56 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: hoops when you can. And you dropped a great article 57 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: on The Athletic on Friday with you know what you called. 58 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: I loved the title, A modest proposal for resetting the 59 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: NBA postseason and engaging lottery teams. So I wanted to 60 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: like pick your brain a little bit here, you know, 61 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: regarding some of your ideas. There's a lot to unpack here, 62 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: but sort of have this as like an accompanying piece 63 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: to your to your column, which I encourage everybody to 64 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: listen to. 65 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 3: That's all right, Oh yeah, that's fine, And I appreciate 66 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 3: you got the swift reference man, and a lot of 67 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 3: people didn't. 68 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I loved it. I love it. 69 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: So again, I would encourage everyone to go and read 70 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: DA's column right now. If you're an Athletic subscriber, I'm 71 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: sure you already have if you're an NBA fan and 72 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: you're listening to this podcast. If you're not, though, guys, 73 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: take advantage. There is a ninety day free trial the 74 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: Athletic dot Com slash free ninety days. I mean, you 75 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: can get in there and go again and read David 76 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: Alder's call them on this sort of idea of this 77 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: proposal for the for the hopefully an NBA postseason or 78 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: season down the line. So let's discuss this now. You 79 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: point out, DA, it's sort of a two dual track, 80 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: but I actually almost think there's three components to what 81 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: you were proposing here. The first one is that you 82 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: think all thirty teams would have a five day mini camp. 83 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,839 Speaker 1: And then the second part is the playoffs would begin 84 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: immediately with the sixteen teams currently one through eight in 85 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: each conference. And then the third part is the non 86 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: playoff teams, the fourteen teams that aren't in the playoffs. 87 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: After their little mini camps, they'd have their own sort 88 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: of playoff type series to battle it out for the 89 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: first pick in the upcoming draft. So I love all 90 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,839 Speaker 1: three of these things, But let's start with the first one. 91 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: Why or how did you ultimately sort of come to 92 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: the decision of, like, you know, five days, Like it's 93 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: obviously an abbreviated mini camp. I've seen other people think, oh, 94 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 1: it's got to be longer, you know, two weeks or 95 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,239 Speaker 1: something like that for these NBA athletes to get into shape. 96 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: Why or do you think sort of that five day 97 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: could work in theory. 98 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 3: Well, the number one thing skeets with anything, any type 99 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 3: of idea or proposal or you know, you know, restarting 100 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 3: the season. If we're fortunate enough to be able to 101 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 3: do that, well, and literally a million things are going 102 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 3: to have to fall into place for the NBA or 103 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 3: any pro sports league to be able to start anything 104 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 3: in July or August, you know what I mean. So 105 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 3: we're so far from that. But if that were to happen, 106 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 3: you I just feel like a couple of things have 107 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 3: to happen. You cannot start with games, you can't. You 108 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 3: have to give these guys a week to get themselves 109 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 3: just acclimated to running up and down a floor. Again, 110 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: it's not the same as playing, but you have to 111 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 3: give them the best possible, you know, simulation to that, 112 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 3: and that's a training camp. And I leave it up 113 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 3: to the teams. Maybe you don't go on the floor 114 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 3: at all, maybe you just run. I mean, seriously, I don't. 115 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 3: I don't have a good answer here. I don't have 116 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: a I'm not you know, I'm not a savant on this. 117 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 3: I'm I'm leaving it up to the athletic trainers and 118 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 3: the team doctors. They know their players better than you 119 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,799 Speaker 3: or I do. And you know, for a younger team, 120 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 3: maybe you go out on the floor, you scrimmage, But 121 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 3: for an older team, maybe it's just a lot of calisthenics. 122 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 3: Maybe it's a lot of stretching, Maybe it's a lot 123 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 3: of core work to try to re engage the muscle 124 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 3: groups and and and maybe it's more walkthrough. So everybody's 125 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 3: going to handle it differently, but it has to be 126 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 3: done with a look at the calendar. The calendar is 127 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 3: everything this year because I believe, and John Hollinger wrote 128 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 3: this a similar piece as well last week in The 129 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 3: Athletic that teams do not want to do anything that 130 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 3: is going to impact adversely the calendar for next season. 131 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,559 Speaker 3: I really do believe that the league and the team 132 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 3: owners do not want massive disruption to twenty twenty one. 133 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 3: I don't think that. I really think they want to 134 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,799 Speaker 3: keep that as close to normal if you can, as possible. 135 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 3: You know. The last thing I think they would want 136 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 3: is to delay the twenty twenty one season start to 137 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 3: Christmas because your playoffs went into September, you know what 138 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 3: I mean. So you have to look at that with 139 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 3: the calendar of mind. So everything that you can do 140 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 3: to save a day, to save a week, I think 141 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 3: they have to try it. But you have to give 142 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: these guys a few days to get themselves in some 143 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 3: kind of physical shape so that they can start playing 144 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 3: games again. That's why I think you have to have 145 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 3: five days, and with no preseason games, I'm not gonna 146 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 3: I think those that's a complete waste of time. You know. 147 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 3: Just have the guys together for five days and what 148 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 3: however you want to use those five days is fine 149 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 3: with me, so that when the when the bell rings again, 150 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 3: they're ready to play play basketball again. 151 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I think maybe some fans think, you know, 152 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: these guys are some of the best athletes in the world, 153 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: like just throw them back out there, no problem, or 154 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: maybe they also think, you know, we're all at home 155 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: here and I'm doing my yoga and I'm doing my 156 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: push ups. All these guys got their own personal gyms, 157 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: and they got their own courts, and they're just working out, 158 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: you know, twenty hours out of the day. 159 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: Like it's probably just not the case. It's not true. 160 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: So like, yeah, to sort of, I agree with what 161 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: you're saying. In especially when you talk to the trainers 162 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: and stuff. It's like you can't just throw these guys 163 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: back out there and expect things to go wrong and 164 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: like a lot of pulled hammis and injuries and stuff 165 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: like that. 166 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: Exactly. The other very concerned about soft tissue injuries and 167 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 3: things like that, lower body injuries much more so than 168 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 3: upper body injuries because those that's where all the stress 169 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 3: comes from is on those knee joints and on those 170 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 3: ankle joints. I mean, it's so you have to slowly 171 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,559 Speaker 3: ramp them up back to playing at that elite level 172 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 3: that NBA players play at. 173 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: Right, And so you think, because I know other people 174 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: have said or thrown out and I think Holiger was 175 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 1: one of them, the idea of instead of the mini 176 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: camp and using it. However, you want to from team 177 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: to team. Some say, well, why not pick a number. 178 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: Let's say of the regular season. Hey, everybody played up 179 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: to seventy games. Some teams will have to play five, 180 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: some have to play three. Whatever it is, and almost 181 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 1: use oddly the regular season as almost a weird form 182 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: of preseason play. But yeah, you sort of you don't 183 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: think that in your proposal. You think more, just do 184 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: whatever you want and then we'll get started with sort 185 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: of two playoff systems that we got going right. 186 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, the reason is that you want you have 187 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 3: to limit exposure, potential exposure. So anything that you do 188 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 3: that brings teams together increases the risk of exposure, because 189 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 3: I mean, we can't we can't possibly believe that even 190 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 3: if we flatten the curve nationally, which I think is 191 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 3: a dubious proposal, to say the least, in the next 192 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 3: two months, you can't believe the virus isn't going to 193 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 3: still be out there, you know what I mean. So 194 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 3: you have to limit as much potential exposure as possible. So, 195 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 3: you know, playing five or seven relatively meaningless regular season games, 196 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 3: to me, doesn't make any sense at all, you know, 197 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 3: because all you're doing is making people more exposed to potential, 198 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 3: you know, contracting the disease. So why would the virus? 199 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 3: So why would you do that? You know, limit the 200 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 3: number of people, limit the teams to themselves for five days, 201 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 3: and then start playing on these two tracks. But you're 202 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 3: playing for something meaningful on each side. You're not just 203 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 3: playing to end the season. And I love John, but 204 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 3: I just do not believe skeets that. Why should the 205 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 3: Knicks get a chance to win the NBA championship? They 206 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 3: were terrible this season. Yeah, they played sixty five games. 207 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 3: It's not like they played twelve, you know what I mean? 208 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 3: They played seventy five or eighty percent of their schedule 209 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 3: depending on the team, in the regular season before the 210 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 3: league was shut down. Why did those teams deserve a chance? 211 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 3: They didn't earn a right to be in the playoffs. 212 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 3: There's no way in hell I put you know, one 213 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 3: of those lottery teams in the playoffs. They didn't earn it. 214 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 3: They had four and a half months to earn it. 215 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 3: They didn't earn it. So they shouldn't get the chance 216 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 3: to be in the playoffs. That's why I want to 217 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 3: give them something to play for. And that's why I 218 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 3: came up with this idea or this, as I said 219 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 3: in the colum, I blatantly ripped it off of something 220 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 3: I saw and an NHL column, which I thought it 221 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 3: was a great idea. But I want them to have 222 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 3: something to play for, but it just shouldn't be for 223 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 3: an NBA championship. 224 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because, like you said, some think, hey, let's 225 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: just put all thirty teams into a cool sort of 226 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: March madness like thing. And you say, no, no, no, 227 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: you already you didn't have twenty five percent of the season. 228 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 2: And then maybe you have a case to. 229 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: Make like hey I was turning it around, or hey 230 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: I would have been a playoff team. Yeah, like you're saying, 231 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: we played seventy five percent of the regular season already 232 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: and you weren't a good team. So you're not playing 233 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: for the championship. That's a one hundred percent fair. Okay, 234 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: we'll get we'll get to your that that lottery team 235 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 1: again sort of playoff system. But you do have as 236 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: that second part, I guess, really the first part of 237 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: the playoffs. It is the playoffs in your opinion. Now 238 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: you have some interesting parts in there, though, you think, 239 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: and I would assume it goes along the lines of 240 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: what you were saying about, Hey, the calendar is sort 241 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: of the problem here, and you gotta jam this in. 242 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 1: So you throw out the best of three series, yes, 243 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: to start, and I you actually like, maybe you're showing 244 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: your age. 245 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 2: Da I'm an old. 246 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: Man too, but I had I had completely no idea 247 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: that this was something the NBA actually did at one 248 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: point in the late seventies early eighties. 249 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: So yeah, talk about the best of three there. 250 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 3: The mini series? Oh sure, everybody. I mean, you know 251 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 3: when when the when the ABA and the NBA merged, right, 252 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 3: the four ABA teams were folded into the NBA, and 253 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 3: so you had to you had more playoffs. You had 254 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 3: to expand the playoffs because you have more teams, uh, 255 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 3: come into the league at one time. So what they 256 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 3: came up with was the Mini series, which was a 257 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 3: best of three home home home, you know, boom boom 258 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 3: boom home home home, and took best too out of three. 259 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 3: And they did it for about I don't know, I 260 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 3: think eight years, seven or eight years. I think eighty 261 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 3: five was the last year they did it. And then 262 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 3: you know, owners started to say no, owners started to realize, hey, 263 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 3: wait a minute, we could have a best of five 264 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 3: series in the first round and get more more you know, 265 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 3: home dates, and potentially make more money. And so it 266 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 3: became a five game series and then ultimately became a 267 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 3: seven game series in the first round. Again, the calendar's 268 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 3: everything here. So to have a representative playoffs in a 269 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 3: in a show a period of time as possible. One 270 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 3: way you can do that is to truncate at least 271 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 3: the first round. I leave it up to the league 272 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 3: whether they would truncate the second round. I don't think. 273 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 3: I wouldn't do anything to the conference finals and finals. 274 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 3: Those should be best of seven. You want to have 275 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 3: the fairest opportunity for the best teams to win and 276 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 3: to beat other elite teams. You have to try to 277 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 3: beat them four times. I'm fine with that. They want 278 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 3: to make the second round seven games, I mean I'd 279 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 3: make it five. But if they want to make it seven, okay. 280 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 3: But I think that first round the reason you do 281 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 3: it is because it buys you a week, you know, 282 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 3: if you do it the normal seven game series, and 283 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 3: I'm not even talking about dragging it out two and 284 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 3: a half weeks like they do when you have you know, 285 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 3: three days off between games. Sometimes no, you can't do 286 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 3: You obviously can't do that, But I'm talking about it 287 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 3: can be over in five days. You could have a 288 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 3: first round that's done in five days, and that just 289 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 3: buys you so much more time to get the rest 290 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 3: of your playoffs in. And I think it's something that 291 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 3: has been done and it's not like this has never 292 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 3: been done in the NBA's history before. And it does 293 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 3: create to me, I think a little bit of drama 294 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 3: because you know, team one goes, you know, the team 295 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 3: that's the underdog, goes on the road in Game one, 296 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 3: and however it happens, they shock the team, you know, 297 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 3: the favorite. Well, now all of a sudden they're going 298 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 3: home with a chance to close the favorite out, and 299 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 3: that creates incredible drama in the second game of the playoffs. 300 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 3: And isn't that what we all want? Don't we all 301 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 3: want that kind of crazy drama, you know, to be 302 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 3: ratcheted back up. And so you're doing that to to 303 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 3: truncate the playoffs, but you're also doing it because it 304 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 3: immediately kind of creates some real drama in the NBA, 305 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 3: you know, three days after you start playing again. And 306 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 3: I think that's what you know, we all want is 307 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 3: that kind of built in playoff drama winner go home 308 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 3: in game two? That would be awesome. 309 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. 310 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: It's getting it's like sort of the NBA equivalent of 311 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: a March Madness, like exactly where it's exactly what. Yeah, 312 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: it's not one and done, but it is. It feels 313 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: like it could feel like that for sure. 314 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the closest thing they can do. 315 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 316 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, you also had a third reason. I thought too. 317 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: I think in the article you think it maybe gives 318 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: the teams a better chance of just succeeding rounds healthier, 319 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: like just having sort of less games for these guys 320 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: that are coming back and being thrown into a postseason, 321 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: that that maybe helps some of these guys like whoever 322 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: the older guys, or maybe not even though the older 323 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: guys like just to go further in the playoffs, right. 324 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 3: Right, I think right, Well, any guy, any player young 325 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 3: or old, that has any type of you know, kind 326 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 3: of chronic condition, you know, tendonitis or you know, or 327 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 3: you know, they whatever their physical problem is, the fewer 328 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 3: games you play, the better chance you have getting through 329 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 3: the playoffs. And I think, again, we all want these 330 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 3: got these teams and these these players to get through 331 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 3: the playoffs, and it's going there are going to be injuries. 332 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 3: You cannot take three months off and then start playing 333 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 3: again without there being injuries. And so well, having a 334 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 3: shorter first round gives you a better chance for more 335 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 3: players to get through that first round relatively healthy. And 336 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 3: what it also does, and I've talked to a couple 337 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 3: of you know again athletic trainers about this, it gives 338 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 3: them more prep time for the next round. So if 339 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 3: you get you win the series in two games, now, 340 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 3: maybe you have three or four days off before the 341 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 3: next round begins, and you can treat those injuries in 342 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 3: a in a better way that developer that may come up, 343 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 3: and so guys can again get that downtime that will 344 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 3: be necessary for them to get through the playoffs healthy. 345 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: A couple other things you had in your sort of 346 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: playoff proposal, you throw out that you think the final 347 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: should maybe return to the two three two format. 348 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 3: I think all seven game series in this all of this, yes, 349 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 3: in this, in this this year, and again Skeetz, this 350 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 3: is a one off. I'm not suggesting that they do 351 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 3: this at all going forward. If we go back to 352 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 3: regular you know, a normal life for all of us 353 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 3: with normal playoffs. Go back to the best of seven. Fine, 354 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with that. I'm just talking 355 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 3: about getting through this year. How do you get through 356 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 3: this year? And so for this year, I think for 357 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 3: all seven game series and maybe for the five game 358 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 3: series two uh, well, you can't do it for five 359 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 3: game series, but for the seven game series, I would 360 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 3: definitely go back to two three two. Yes. And the 361 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 3: reasoning is simple. You're limiting potential exposure. If you go 362 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 3: two two one one one, you have four potential travel 363 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 3: days in between in between the games of the of 364 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 3: A two to two one one one series, after game two, 365 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 3: after game four, after game five, after game six. You're 366 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 3: telling people to get on planes, you're telling people to 367 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,719 Speaker 3: check into hotels, you're telling people to go out and eat, 368 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 3: even if they have the food brought in, whatever it is. 369 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 3: But you're exposing them more to potential infection. We're trying 370 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 3: to limit as much infection as possible with this proposal, 371 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 3: and that's why you go to me to two three two. 372 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 3: That means two travel days after game after game five, 373 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 3: and that's it. You don't have to that's it. And 374 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 3: you're you're in one place for a week. If you 375 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 3: go to two three two and you can you can 376 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 3: do as much you know, forward thinking as possible to 377 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 3: quarantine your players in a hotel or you know, however 378 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 3: you want to do it. You can have like I said, 379 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 3: have the food brought in, they don't go out, whatever 380 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 3: you want to do. But if they're if they're in 381 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 3: one place for a week, I just think you have 382 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 3: a much better chance of them not being exposed as 383 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 3: opposed to them going back and forth and back and 384 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 3: forth and back and forth between cities in a two 385 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 3: two one one one format. 386 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and just even it goes hand in hand with 387 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: just you're going to be able in theory to get 388 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: through series faster too, taking away like you said, a 389 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: couple of those travel days. The final part that really 390 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: caught my eye. I hadn't really thought. I hadn't even 391 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: crossed my mind that this could in theory be an issue. Again, 392 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: knock on wood that we even have this to debate 393 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 1: down the line, but the idea there should maybe have 394 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 1: to be more day games for the most season, And 395 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about that because of you know, arena 396 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: availability with all these other concerts and leagues that maybe 397 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: are coming. 398 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 2: Back at the same time too. Again that we. 399 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 3: Exactly exactly and even if even if you add no dates, 400 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 3: you know, if you did have the existing schedule, if 401 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 3: you're playing in July, well delete those arenas were not 402 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 3: Those arenas were filled, you know, I mean people they filled, 403 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 3: they filled those dates up with concerts or whatever it 404 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 3: is because they assumed the season would be over. That's 405 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 3: how you plan. You're in advance usually for most arenas, 406 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 3: so July is not available to the NBA teams at 407 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 3: least not for a lot of nights. There may be 408 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 3: a night here or night there where the buildings start, 409 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 3: but for the most part, you know, these guys are 410 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 3: still trying to make money. These owners need to make 411 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 3: money when they need to have events in their buildings, right, 412 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 3: So that's when you have the concerts, that's when you 413 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 3: have the circus come to town or whatever it is. 414 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 3: You know that normally people do the tractor pull or 415 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 3: whatever it is. You know, that's when you bring them 416 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 3: in is July and August, you know, because you want 417 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 3: to have those dates filled. So you have to as 418 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 3: a matter of the schedule of the buildings. You're just 419 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 3: not going to have that much availability, and so the 420 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 3: only thing that makes sense is to play games in 421 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 3: the daytime, you know, and so you know, you do 422 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 3: it on the weekends. Right during the playoffs we have 423 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 3: we have games on during the day on Saturday and 424 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 3: Sunday during the playoffs. Okay, so maybe this year you 425 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 3: might have to have a Thursday play afternoon playoff game 426 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 3: or a Tuesday afternoon playoff game in addition to the 427 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 3: weekend games. I mean, again, you have finite resources and 428 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 3: finite dates and a finite amount of time to finish this, 429 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 3: and so I think you have to have more day games. 430 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 3: It's just it's just something you're going to have to do. 431 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 3: And you know, the the X factor and all this 432 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 3: that none of us know is are they're going to 433 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 3: even be fans available for these game? Yeah? I don't know, 434 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 3: you know, no way of being able to predig that. 435 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 3: So but even if there aren't any, you're still going 436 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 3: to have to play some games in the daytime. I think. 437 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 438 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: And look during self lockdown, self isolating, what's the weekend 439 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 1: even mean anymore to anybody else? 440 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 3: Exactly? Right? 441 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: Saturday is Tuesday and Wednesday is Sunday. I mean, that's 442 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: truthfully doesn't even matter. So let's get to the third 443 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: part then again, I mean really the second part of 444 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 1: the dual track, but the one that's the most eye opening. 445 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 1: I think it caught a lot of people. I saw 446 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: in the comments like, oh, there's something there. You suggested 447 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: I set off the top there, like the fourteen non 448 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: playoff teams. Instead of telling them like, all right, hey, 449 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: thanks for the you know, seventy five percent of the 450 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: regular season, just watch the playoffs. 451 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 2: Like the rest of us. 452 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: You have this idea of you know, it's it gets 453 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: a little convoluted, but basically, it's a fourteen non playoff team. 454 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: They're seeded one through fourteen, no conference affiliation at all. 455 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: And then, as you point out, everything is backward in 456 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: this tournament. In this tournament, so the team with the 457 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: worst record gets the top seed and I throw that 458 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: in air quotes, right, and the team with the second 459 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: worst record gets the two seed and so on. So 460 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: the idea, though, is you want to make it harder 461 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: for the better teams that would be in this hypothetical tournament. 462 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 1: You want to make it harder for them to actually 463 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: win the upcoming draft pick, because that's what they're playing 464 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: for here in your idea, like they're playing for something 465 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: because they're playing for you know, draft position, and you 466 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: have it. So the top four seeds again I throw 467 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: that in air quotes Golden State, Cleveland, Minnesota, and Atlanta, 468 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: the fourth worst teams in the league, they sort of 469 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: get like these double buys, so they're pushed further into 470 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: this playoff sort of tournament to help their chances of 471 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: not falling too far down, Right, do I have that 472 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: sort of right? 473 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 3: You have to weigh it, right, You have to weigh 474 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 3: it at some level so that the better teams don't 475 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 3: get the same chance as the worst teams, right, I mean, 476 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 3: it's the whole point of a lottery is that the 477 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 3: teams at the bottom have a better chance of getting 478 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 3: the top picks. Right, So how do you kind of 479 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 3: bake that in in a tournament formal? The only way 480 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 3: you can do it is to give the top or 481 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 3: bottom out, depending on your point of view, those four 482 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 3: teams a double by, so that the worst they can 483 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 3: do is six. Right, they can't do worse than six, 484 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 3: you know, So that way a team's not falling from 485 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 3: one to fourteen like that would be that would be 486 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 3: really unfair because, you know, whatever you think of what 487 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 3: Golden State did this year, the expectation they've had through 488 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 3: sixty five games is they're going to wind up with 489 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 3: a really good pick at the end of this really 490 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 3: bad season. Right, So you can't you can't just snatch 491 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 3: that and change the rules up you know, seventy five 492 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 3: percent of the way through their season. So this way, 493 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 3: they still have a chance to get a top six pick. 494 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 3: And I can't do I can't make it higher than six. 495 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 3: I couldn't figure out a way to do it. Maybe 496 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 3: there's smarter people than me. They kill it. But at 497 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 3: least this way, the least the worst they can do 498 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 3: a six, and the worst any of the bottom four 499 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 3: teams can do a six. 500 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: Then there's a lot of blowback to this idea though 501 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: of sort of these teams playing for a pick because 502 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: the number one thing you always hear it's something like this, Right, 503 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: people go, well, what the hell is the incentive for 504 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: you know, current players to win a tournament that allows 505 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: their team to draft possibly a replacement player, Like that's 506 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,719 Speaker 1: you hear that all the time, Like why would you know, 507 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: just for an example, you know, why would Devin Booker 508 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: want to play hard for the possibility of them drafting 509 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: like the next Devin Booker on that team. Do you 510 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: like it feels to me in reading what you wrote, 511 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: you don't really buy that sense because you think the 512 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: players do have a sense of competition just inherently in them. 513 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 3: Well, they have a sense of competition, and they also 514 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 3: have a sense of ego, right, I mean, yeah, you 515 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 3: know I am are you? I I positive this to 516 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 3: one person who said that, do you really think Damian 517 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 3: Lillard thinks somebody's better than him? 518 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 519 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 3: Like you, you have no concept of the confidence level 520 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 3: of a great NBA player if you think they're gonna 521 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 3: be sitting in a corner cowering because, oh what if 522 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 3: we win this tournament and they draft a good player 523 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,239 Speaker 3: who they might beat me up for a job? Are 524 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 3: you nuts? Are have you ever watched an NBA game? 525 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 3: You know? Do you understand how competitive these guys are? 526 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 3: You don't think anybody's better than them? And and again 527 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 3: to use Lillard as an example, if I'm Damian Lillard 528 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 3: or if I'm CJ. McCollum, I need help. I know 529 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 3: I need help, right, I'm not good enough to win 530 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 3: a championship with the team that's around me right now. 531 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 3: Why wouldn't I want the chance to get an Obie 532 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 3: Tappan or one of these great young players to come 533 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 3: in and help me, help me win next year, help 534 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 3: me win a championship. This is the best way I 535 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 3: can This is the easiest way I can physically help 536 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 3: my team get a great player. Why wouldn't I want 537 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 3: to do that? I think that's an absurd, you know, 538 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 3: kind of objection to this. There's you know, I don't 539 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 3: you really have not been around NBA players. If you 540 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 3: think they're scared of guys coming in out of college 541 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 3: and beating them out for jobs, you don't know these 542 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 3: guys very well. I'll just say that. 543 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would add to that too. It's it's 544 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: pretty short sighted because even if the objective here makes 545 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: a little sense for a guy that's at the end 546 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: of the bench, like let's say the eleventh twelfth man, Okay, yeah, 547 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: now you convince me that, Okay, that person and might 548 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: they're not playing skates. 549 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 3: They're not playing in any way. 550 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what they think. 551 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: You're not playing The words right out of my mouth, 552 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 1: that's exactly right. 553 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 2: They have no saying it because they're not playing. 554 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: That's exactly right, all right, We're we're on board together 555 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 1: of that one, because that's exactly my comeback to that too. 556 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: I want you to be honest with me though, when 557 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: you were thinking this idea, idea of da Yeah, did 558 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 1: you know that only the Warriors and Calves are the 559 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: only two current lottery teams this year that could potentially 560 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 1: lose their first round pick? But they would in your 561 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: scenario anyway, because you know their picks are like top 562 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: twenty protected and top ten protected. 563 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 3: I did not, Yeah, I did not. 564 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 2: You did not, okay, I. 565 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 3: And somebody pointed it out, and it's a fair point, 566 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 3: Like I don't. I didn't not. I did not go back. 567 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 3: I did not go through this to say, well, who 568 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 3: doesn't have their first round pick? Yeah? Where what? And 569 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 3: I did not do that for the purposes of this exercise. 570 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 3: But you know, I still think the point is valid, 571 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 3: and I'm glad it worked out with the Warriors and 572 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 3: the Cavaliers that they would keep their picks. But yeah, 573 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 3: I mean to me, this is again just a way 574 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 3: to kind of truncate the calendar so that you don't 575 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 3: have this kind of extended post finals, you know, kind 576 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 3: of ramp up to the draft and free agency. I 577 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 3: want the draft of free agency to start as humanly 578 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 3: as soon as humanly possible after the season is over, 579 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 3: after the finals are over, you know, and and hopefully 580 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 3: you know, you'd have to figure out the scheduling on this. 581 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 3: My idea, and I did not write this, but my 582 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 3: idea would be that this lottery tournament would end before 583 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 3: the finals, and want I don't want this to be 584 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 3: the last game that's played, obviously, you want the finals 585 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 3: to be the showcase event. So however, you can do it, 586 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 3: And I think you could still do it because it's 587 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 3: only fourteen teams and it's only you know, it's it's 588 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 3: a lot of single elimination games, so you're not playing 589 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 3: series in this case. So I still I think you 590 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 3: could finish this relatively quickly. But I certainly would have 591 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 3: this over and done with before the finals, because these 592 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 3: teams are going to have to, you know, once they 593 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 3: know where they're picking, they would have to have some 594 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 3: time to prepare for the draft themselves and maybe make 595 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 3: potential deals or moves or whatever they want to do. 596 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: And I didn't point it out when I was sort 597 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: of bringing it up here. But again, within this sort 598 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: of lottery tournament idea, you do have this hypothetically in 599 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: one location, right, like you said, like a Vegas or 600 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: some place. 601 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 3: I think the yeah, the last six teams. Yes, again, 602 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 3: I think you know, the first two rounds of it. 603 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 3: It's not a it's not a series of games, it's 604 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 3: one game, right, So again I think you are you 605 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 3: are mitigating the risk of exposure to virus. But for example, 606 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 3: I've got Portland. You know, Portland's a fourteen team, the 607 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 3: team of the best record of the non playoff teams. 608 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 3: They go to San Antonio, right for one game. It's 609 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 3: a one game, and if they win that, then that 610 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 3: winner goes and plays in New York for one game 611 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 3: with the Knicks, you know. And so this is how 612 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 3: you get to the final six relatively quickly. Now the 613 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 3: final six, because it has to be round robin, you 614 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 3: have to play multiple games against each other to pick 615 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 3: to get the top four teams. I would have in 616 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 3: one location, and I think Vegas would make the most 617 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 3: sense just because they have two arenas that are right 618 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 3: next to it. They're literally connected to each other. You 619 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 3: don't have to go outside you know, you don't have 620 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 3: to go across the street or down you know, near 621 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 3: the strip. I mean they're all they're both in the 622 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 3: same place. So to the extent that you could sterilize 623 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 3: that those two buildings, you know, you'd have a better 624 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 3: chance of doing it with two buildings that are connected 625 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 3: to each other. 626 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. 627 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: You just recently had Michelle Roberts, NBA PA President Michelle Roberts, 628 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: it's great interviews on Hoops Adjacent. Go check it out, guys, 629 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: And I heard her say, you know, look, they want 630 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: to salvage the season. They want to and we all 631 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: know the league wants to if they can, if we 632 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: if we can do this healthy and we can get 633 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: back to playing basketball, that's the number one goal down 634 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: the line. But where do you stand, honestly on just 635 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: straight up canceling this season and just saying, you know what, 636 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: it is a little bit too risky and what's the point. 637 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: Maybe all eat like your idea, hall Iner's ideas, all 638 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: these other ideas, maybe we just say, all right, let's 639 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: just move on to next season and we could start 640 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: it at a more normal time and have a more 641 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: normal season. Like what what's your vibe on that that 642 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: some people say, just cancel this. 643 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, here's here's what I would say. But here, 644 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 3: you know, and I've you know, obviously we've all been talking, 645 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 3: not just to people around the league, but you know, 646 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,479 Speaker 3: you're you live in a city that's deal with this 647 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 3: wherever you live, or a state that's dealing with this 648 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 3: wherever you live, or a province wherever you live. So 649 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 3: the chance that there's thirty NBA cities, the chance that 650 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 3: all thirty NBA cities are all going to be past 651 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 3: this in two months is microscopic to me, Like, I 652 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 3: just don't There's just no way that's going to be possible. 653 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 3: We have no way of being able to predict with 654 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 3: any certainty where the spikes are going to come in 655 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 3: the next few months. And even and I said this 656 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 3: to somebody the other day, let's just say, sake of argument, 657 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 3: new York gets it under control in the next two months. 658 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 3: New York by July first, New York is you know, 659 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 3: they flattened the curve they had. Their medical systems are 660 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 3: not overwhelmed. They're able to treat the people that still 661 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 3: have the virus. They can maybe even think about starting 662 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 3: to relax some of their you know, stay in place measures. 663 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 3: What if Houston all of a sudden spikes, you know, 664 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 3: what if Denver spikes? What if you saw like city spikes? 665 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 3: You know? And again, okay, let's say, let's just say 666 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 3: the best possible scenario happens, and you somehow get all 667 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 3: thirty cities online and you start your playoffs again and 668 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 3: somebody tests positive. What do you do? You know, like 669 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 3: you have to stop playing again. So I again, I'm 670 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 3: very skeptical, skeets that we're going to have any playoffs 671 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 3: this year. I hope we do. I really hope we do, 672 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 3: but I am skeptical just because I just don't know. 673 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 3: It's not one city, it's not one team, it's thirty 674 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 3: teams in thirty cities, And I just don't know how 675 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 3: you can possibly believe that all thirty cities are going 676 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 3: to have this under control by the summer, right, How 677 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 3: how can you possibly believe that's possible? I just, you know, 678 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 3: I just don't see it. I hope I'm wrong, but 679 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,239 Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I think you're asking an 680 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 3: awful lot, and you're you're expecting an awful lot, and 681 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 3: you know, it's just human nature and just as as 682 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 3: we learn more about this disease and the spread. There's 683 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 3: there's gonna be things we don't know that we find 684 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 3: out in the next few months if this thing is 685 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 3: airborne in some way that we didn't know about, for example, 686 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 3: and that changes everything. Again, things are going to keep changing. 687 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 3: There's not going to be one playbook. So I'm skeptical, hoping, 688 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 3: I hope I'm wrong, but I'm skeptical. 689 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: Well off of that, then I'm interested to hear your 690 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: take on sort of like NBA owners and executives and 691 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: maybe even some players, like we've heard over the last 692 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: week or two, they're almost like throwing out like dates, 693 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: you know, like I know Cuban sounded optimistic that we 694 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: could resume play in May, and I think Darryl Moray 695 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: said something recently like and I get it, like like you're. 696 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 2: Saying, like we all hope basketball comes back. 697 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: But I do wonder with some of these higher ups 698 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: and again owners, execut whatever, throwing that out there to 699 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: the to the public and to the NBA fans, I 700 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: almost wonder if it does more harm than good, even 701 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: though it's well meaning, like we all know, yeah, yeah. 702 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I hear you and you know, it's hard. 703 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 3: It's hard to tell people not to be optimistic. You 704 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,720 Speaker 3: don't want everybody to be pessimistic and think the world 705 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 3: is going to end and all that sort of thing. 706 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 3: So you want, I think, just just from a human standpoint, 707 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 3: you want to have some hope that this thing is 708 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 3: going to turn around in the next few weeks. So 709 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,280 Speaker 3: I get that people. I don't I don't ascribe commerce 710 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 3: to every utterance, you know what I mean. I don't think. 711 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 3: I don't think owners are just saying this just because 712 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,439 Speaker 3: they want to get people thinking about making money again 713 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 3: and all that sort of thing. But again, I think 714 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 3: it's I think you can't predict anything with this. You know, 715 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 3: there's just no way you can predict with any certainty 716 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 3: how this is going to manifest itself in six weeks, 717 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,240 Speaker 3: in twelve weeks, in eighteen weeks. There's no way of knowing. Yeah, 718 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,439 Speaker 3: there's just no way of any of us being able 719 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 3: to say with any certainty how this is going to 720 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 3: play out. And so I don't know how you can 721 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 3: possibly plan. You know, I think I'll give an example. 722 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 3: I think you could start. For example, if we really 723 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 3: did flatten the curve, maybe you could play a golf 724 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 3: tournament with no fans. Right, it's an individual sport. It's 725 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,879 Speaker 3: one guy and one caddy. You can test them both 726 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 3: every day. It's a limited field of people. You know, 727 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 3: it's not three hundred people playing. It's like fifty guys 728 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 3: playing or fifty women playing. You know. And again it's 729 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 3: in one place. And so if you and it's usually 730 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 3: in you know, it's in the summertime, so it's going 731 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 3: to be somewhere that's warm. You know, it's going to 732 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 3: be an environment that maybe you might be able to 733 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,720 Speaker 3: control a little bit more. Because it's in one central location. 734 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,760 Speaker 3: You maybe could do that. I could say, maybe by August, 735 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 3: maybe you could have a golf tournament in California somewhere, 736 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 3: or or Florida somewhere, or Texas, you know, I mean 737 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 3: someplace obviously warm. But you can't do that with a 738 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 3: team sport. How can you do that with a team sport? 739 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 2: How can you the traveling alone too? 740 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 3: I mean, just think about the NBA is the smallest 741 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 3: league in terms of the number of players. It's you know, 742 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 3: twelve to fifteen players per team. You have every team 743 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 3: now has five or six assistant coaches. Every team now 744 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 3: has four or five trainers, right, you have to have 745 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 3: somebody from communications, from PR even if it's just two 746 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 3: or three people. You know, maybe you don't you know, 747 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,399 Speaker 3: you may not have as much game staff, you may 748 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 3: not have as many people work in the scorer's table. 749 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 3: I grant you that because you may not have fans, 750 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 3: you may not need stats. You know, we'll be selling 751 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 3: products and things like that. But every NBA team, at 752 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:48,359 Speaker 3: minimum it's thirty to forty people. And that's skeleton. That's 753 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 3: a skeleton, you know, assembly of people you know, to 754 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 3: get a team in And that doesn't even count if 755 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 3: you televise it, which is the whole point of playing again, 756 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 3: is that you got to put it on TV somewhere. 757 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: You know. 758 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 3: So and then I've worked in TV and you've worked 759 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 3: in TV. You know how many people are on a crew. 760 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 2: You know, it's ridiculous how many people? 761 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 3: Mean are you talk about fifty two hundred people? So 762 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 3: now you know, how are you going to do this? 763 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 3: You know, how are you going to do and how 764 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 3: are you going to replicate this in multiple venues? It's 765 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 3: I don't know how you do it. I don't know 766 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 3: how you how you can pull this off? Without you know, 767 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 3: potentially exposing people to the virus. And again, the thing 768 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,320 Speaker 3: that none of us know is what if somebody tests 769 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 3: positive during these playoffs? You have to stop playing again 770 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 3: and then you can't restart it, you know, So I 771 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 3: just don't know. Or the alternative is you test your team, 772 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,439 Speaker 3: you quarantine four players. Oh, I'm sorry, you know, Los 773 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 3: Angeles Lakers. You've got to play the playoffs with seven guys. 774 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 3: How's that going to fly? You know? And what if 775 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 3: one of them is just and a key starter? You 776 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 3: know what I mean? So how is that fair? That's 777 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 3: not equitable either? So you know how what's the solution 778 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 3: you tell me with. 779 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 2: Any of these ideas? 780 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: And I might be showing my stupidity here is but 781 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: I want to ask you, like, uh, and I thought 782 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: of it of it when you were talking to Michelle Roberts, Like, 783 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,439 Speaker 1: whatever proposal be it yours, Hollanders. If we some other 784 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: thing that the league comes up with, do they have 785 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: to does the player union have to agree. 786 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:27,320 Speaker 2: To that plan? 787 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: Or is it sort of like if they do have 788 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: to Silver Camp say we're doing this, let's go, well. 789 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, they have to agree to it because they have 790 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,360 Speaker 3: to agree to way any whatever modifications are made to 791 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:44,319 Speaker 3: the schedule have to be negotiated, you know. I mean 792 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 3: those are collective bargaining issues, you know what I mean. 793 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 3: So so all of these things are subject to side 794 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 3: agree not to mention the fact that if you were 795 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 3: to try, and I mean these guys, a lot of 796 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 3: guys have incentives in their contracts, you know, based on 797 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 3: x number of you know, you score x number of points, 798 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,919 Speaker 3: you get this, or what your team wins x number 799 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 3: of games. 800 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 2: Right, so, yeah, right right, I can't. 801 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,359 Speaker 3: Just unilaterally say, well, now we're playing seventy games. Well 802 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 3: wait a minute, my contract says I got to play 803 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 3: eighty two to get this million dollar bonus. You know, 804 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 3: so all of these things have to be and that 805 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 3: means the whole CBA has to kind of be. You 806 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 3: have to just everyone's contract to a shortened season, you know, 807 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 3: you have to. You have to do it. And that's 808 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 3: that's the hard part. That's what's going to take a while. 809 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 3: And that's what I also said in the article. Even 810 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 3: if you say July one, the curve is flattened, You've 811 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 3: still got to do all this work to get these 812 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 3: contracts straightened out so that people know exactly how much 813 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 3: money they're they're making losing. You know, how much money 814 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 3: are you putting? How much bri is going to be impacted? 815 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,839 Speaker 3: Because that impacts next year's cap, all of these things, 816 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,720 Speaker 3: and there's players who signed extensions based on next year's 817 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 3: cap already. You know, so what do they get? They 818 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 3: get less money, but how much less? All of these 819 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 3: things have to be negotiated, you know, they have to. 820 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,320 Speaker 3: You have to come up with a formula that works 821 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 3: for every player. It's four hundred and fifty players in 822 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 3: the league. I mean, so it's not easy and it's 823 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 3: not going to happen quickly. It's going to take a 824 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 3: few weeks to sort all this out. 825 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 1: So many complications, Yeah, so many things, like you said 826 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 1: that you would have to iron out them. Like I'm 827 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: so ecstatic to have you on DA, but in talking 828 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: to you, I'm becoming more and more convinced. Yeah, that 829 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,880 Speaker 1: we are just going to have no no conclusion to 830 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:33,400 Speaker 1: this season. 831 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,399 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know how you can confidently. 832 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 3: I'll just say this, Skeates, I'm my concern is next season. 833 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,839 Speaker 3: I'm being perfect honest with you. I want really well, 834 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 3: I don't mean that they will cancel next season. But 835 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 3: I just want next season to go off as relatively 836 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,840 Speaker 3: you know, hitch free as possible, right, So you know 837 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 3: you want them. You want players to be able to 838 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,319 Speaker 3: have a normal camp in October and start games, you know, 839 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 3: second week of October like they do now, without too 840 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 3: much disruption to the schedule. That's what I mean to me, 841 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 3: I think that's more realistic than figuring out a playoff 842 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 3: system that's going to work for everybody, you know, on 843 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 3: a juda on a truncated basis. I mean, and again, 844 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 3: you're you're assuming at the front end that you're going 845 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 3: to be able to start this thing in June or July. Well, 846 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,359 Speaker 3: I mean they just said April thirtieth for everybody, right, 847 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 3: for the whole country. You know, that's just that's minimum, right, 848 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 3: I mean, so the likelihood is most jurisdictions are going 849 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 3: to go well into May, if not June, before they 850 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 3: can even think about, you know, easing some of these 851 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 3: restrictions off. So again, how you get this in June 852 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,439 Speaker 3: from July through August. You've got to give these guys 853 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,800 Speaker 3: some time off too, you know, I mean, you can't 854 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 3: go into you can't stop on labor day and say, well, 855 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:00,880 Speaker 3: we'll see in three weeks training camp. You know what 856 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 3: I mean, you gotta you know, you have to they 857 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 3: have to have some time off, so yeah, you know, 858 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 3: and if it's not going to be three months like 859 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 3: normally is, they have to have at least two months, right, 860 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 3: So and you have to have a draft and free 861 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,799 Speaker 3: agency in between all that. So I don't, I don't know, man. 862 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it at some point as the league, you wonder 863 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,640 Speaker 1: if they just say, we just got to cut our 864 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 1: losses and it's yeah, it's just unfortunate, but hey, Lakers 865 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,240 Speaker 1: and Bucks, uh, you're a sort of our co champions. 866 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 3: Even though it's on it's unfair and it's too bad, 867 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 3: but it really is. And I really do feel for 868 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 3: these teams. I'm not, I'm not. I feel for these 869 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,360 Speaker 3: guys because they really, you know, Milwaukee rightly deserve feels 870 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 3: like it deserves a shot of the finals and should 871 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 3: be in. Yeah, and I totally understand that there's this 872 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,399 Speaker 3: is a this is not there's this is a pandemic. 873 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what, you know, there's nothing 874 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 3: that anybody can do about this. Nobody meant nobody wanted 875 00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 3: this to happen. But this is this is survival of people, 876 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,839 Speaker 3: and that means more to me than whether or not 877 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 3: you get to play in the finals. I'm sorry, you know, 878 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 3: I don't want you know, if John Carey famously said, 879 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 3: you know who when he was coming back from Vietnam, 880 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,560 Speaker 3: you know, who's the last person that deserves to die 881 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:25,399 Speaker 3: for a mistake? You know what I mean? So if 882 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 3: one person becomes ill and dies because they played playoff games, 883 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,239 Speaker 3: who can possibly be okay with that? Right? You know 884 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,440 Speaker 3: what I mean? So you know, and that's nobody. You know, 885 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,880 Speaker 3: It's not because of negligence, It's just because of human beings. 886 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,440 Speaker 3: This thing is very transmittable, you know, and most people 887 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 3: don't know they have it for a while, you know. 888 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,040 Speaker 3: So I don't know how you could feel good about 889 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:55,399 Speaker 3: putting anybody in any type of situation where their risk 890 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 3: is amplified. I just I don't know how you could 891 00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:58,480 Speaker 3: do it. 892 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,520 Speaker 1: You're all of fame sports writer. I mean, we're doing 893 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,840 Speaker 1: our podcast, we're all trying to still create NBA content. 894 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,879 Speaker 1: Do you struggle at all just personally? Like I mean 895 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,480 Speaker 1: I can tell just from your voice, like how obviously 896 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:10,400 Speaker 1: serious you take this? 897 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:11,400 Speaker 2: As we all should. 898 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 1: But is it like, do you struggle with the idea 899 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 1: of like, you know, I still want to write an 900 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 1: idea like this a proposal, but it's sort of like, 901 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 1: you know, you see people in the comments going, how 902 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 1: dare you even come up with this idea? You know, 903 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,720 Speaker 1: we we're talking about the healthcare system and the country 904 00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 1: collapsing and people are dying, Like that is a weird situation? 905 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,319 Speaker 1: Is it not for or maybe it's off for you? 906 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 1: Yeah to handle it? 907 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,279 Speaker 3: No? No, I mean I went, I went, you know, 908 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 3: I go back and forth on it. I think, I 909 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 3: think a lot of people do, but you. But I also, 910 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 3: while certainly sports realm is not important compared to what's 911 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 3: going on in the world right now, but on the 912 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,480 Speaker 3: other hand, I have so many people who who either 913 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,320 Speaker 3: write me or leave a comment or text me friends 914 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,839 Speaker 3: of mine that say, no, no, we need this. We 915 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,279 Speaker 3: need to not think about this virus for a couple 916 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 3: of hours, you know, we need something else to think about, 917 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 3: you know, because we will just be overwhelmed with fear 918 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,960 Speaker 3: and sadness and anger or whatever all the emotions that 919 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,400 Speaker 3: we're all feeling at this time. We need this diversion. 920 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,040 Speaker 3: So I get so while I think that it is 921 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 3: certainly true that what we're talking about is not important 922 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,719 Speaker 3: in the grand scheme of things. It is important to 923 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,320 Speaker 3: a lot of people because from a mental health standpoint, 924 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,080 Speaker 3: they need something else to consider for a while, you know, 925 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:38,440 Speaker 3: And so I would not when I first started in 926 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,960 Speaker 3: the business, I used to always say about sports, it's 927 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,600 Speaker 3: not brain surgery, right, I mean, what we do is 928 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,680 Speaker 3: not brain surgery. But it isn't nothing either, you know, 929 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 3: it's not nothing. It matters to people. It's important to people. 930 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:58,279 Speaker 3: Sports are important to people for a lot of different reasons, socioeconomic. 931 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,560 Speaker 3: From a familial standpoint, the camaraderie that you have with friends, 932 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 3: the ability to spend time together, the ability to wager, 933 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 3: even if that's the entry point for you, whatever it is, 934 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,960 Speaker 3: it matters to people, you know, the sense of community 935 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,680 Speaker 3: that we all get from when the team in your 936 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,840 Speaker 3: city does well. And it's kind of stupid if you 937 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,640 Speaker 3: think about it. Why would it matter? Why would it 938 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,360 Speaker 3: make you feel better about living wherever you live because 939 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,799 Speaker 3: a sports team that has your city's name on it 940 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,680 Speaker 3: won something. It doesn't materially affect your life in any way, 941 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,359 Speaker 3: but you feel better about your city. We all do right, 942 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:38,600 Speaker 3: So there's it matters. You know. The degree that it 943 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,640 Speaker 3: matters is certainly up for discussion and debate, but it does. 944 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,160 Speaker 1: Matter absolutely well, Da, Man, we're going to end on 945 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 1: that note. I like that note to end on. I 946 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,520 Speaker 1: appreciate you taking the time, honestly to talk to me today. 947 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,319 Speaker 1: Everybody follow DA on Twitter at David Aldridge DC. Throw 948 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 1: that on the end, check out the Hoops Adjacent podcast 949 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,719 Speaker 1: with big washout out to WAZ. 950 00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:58,719 Speaker 2: And thanks again. 951 00:46:58,800 --> 00:46:59,000 Speaker 3: Day. 952 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 1: I want you to stay safe and I hope down the 953 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,920 Speaker 1: line of course, that we eventually do have. 954 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,600 Speaker 2: Hoops to argue and talk about with each other. 955 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,680 Speaker 3: Oh, we will against skeets. It just may not be, 956 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,920 Speaker 3: you know, on this timeline. But you know, we'll get 957 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,279 Speaker 3: a hold of this eventually and we'll be Life will 958 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,319 Speaker 3: return to normal at some points. I truly do believe that. 959 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,520 Speaker 3: So I'm optimistic. So thank you for having me. I 960 00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 3: appreciate it. 961 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,120 Speaker 2: All right, take care of men. 962 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 3: You could stay boo every day and that you happy 963 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:34,959 Speaker 3: every minute. It's been so long that your mona way 964 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,160 Speaker 3: he's having already. It's gonna be goody