1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: The volume. This is straight Fire with Jason McIntire. What 2 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: is up? Straight firefam, It's me Jason McIntire. Straight Fire 3 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: for Wednesday, July twenty six. I can't believe July is 4 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: nearly over. Massive week in soccer Women's World Cup. Tonight, 5 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: Messi got two goals. Last night Nikosa got destroyed thanks 6 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: to a red card in the twelfth minute in the 7 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: Legua's Cup. But we can't start with soccer, because holy cow, 8 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: what a monster day Tuesday was for news. Yes, I 9 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: was fortunate to be hosting the Herd, and you had 10 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: the sake one Barkley news right out of the gate 11 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: that the other Jalen Brown news. But trumping all that, 12 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: I believe was what went down with Justin Herbert late 13 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: Tuesday afternoon. Justin Herbert, the Chargers quarterback who it clearly 14 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 1: is one of the ten talent there was ten most 15 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: talented quarterbacks in the league. Justin Herbert gets his second contract. 16 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: It is a whopper. He is now the highest paid 17 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: quarterback in the league. On the heels of are you 18 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: ready for this? On the heels of Jalen Hurts resetting 19 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: the quarterback market. Jalen Hurts got five years two hundred 20 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: and fifty five mil. Lamar Jackson then won up that 21 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: he waited to get paid five years two hundred and 22 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: sixty mil. And now Justin Herbert checks in five years 23 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty two and a half mill, one 24 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty three million dollars guaranteed no trade clause, 25 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 1: which is interesting, although I cannot imagine that anybody would 26 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: want to trade Justin Herbert. This of course sets the 27 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: sets the table for Joe Burrow to now get I 28 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: don't know, three hundred million in his next deal, considering 29 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: he's been to a Super Bowl, he's been to AFC 30 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: Championship games. Like this guy is gonna get more than Herbert. 31 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: I just want to stress some caution for Chargers fans 32 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: because they're all giddy, and I get it. Like I'm 33 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: excited for Aaron Rodgers with the Jets, I'm super stoked 34 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: with the Chargers. You guys are even more excited. Like 35 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: you've had some franchise quarterbacks, Dan Fouts, Philip Rivers, franchise guys, 36 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: none of them really. I mean, listen, Dan Founs is 37 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame or Rivers probably gonna make the 38 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame I think few would argue like Justin 39 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: Herbert just talent alone early in his career is at 40 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: least as good as Fouts. I know Founs was throwing 41 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: major touchdowns and was an incredible quarterback in the eighties, 42 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: but I'm just telling you from the size and speed, 43 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: like Justin Herbert is special and he deserves this next contract. Fully, 44 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: It's a reason to be excited. Clearly, the reason I 45 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: preach caution is because I will never forget sitting on 46 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: the set of The Herd last year and Sean Payton 47 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: would come on every week, and you know, he's just 48 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: taught telling stories and stories and a mask. I'm just 49 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: being a sponge around him and asking him, what do 50 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: you think about this guy? How about this quarterback? How 51 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: much would you pay him? And he stopped me at 52 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: one point when we were talking Lamar Jackson in a 53 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: commercial break and says, straight up, Jason, tell me how 54 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: many teams have won to Super Bowl when your quarterback 55 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: is the highest paid quarterback in the league or even 56 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: top three. And I was like, oh, okay, So I 57 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: start researching, and it's very, very tough to find one. Okay. 58 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: Remember Tom Brady took less, which you know, helped the 59 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: Patriots win a lot, but also kind of depressed the 60 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: quarterback market a little. And then every time he got 61 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: somebody resetting it, whether it's Dak Prescott, Lamar Jackson, like 62 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,399 Speaker 1: all these guys reset it, it just makes it more 63 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: difficult to build a Super Bowl roster around said quarterback. 64 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: So Chargers fans, you could be all excited. I'm looking 65 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: at the salary cap right now for twenty twenty three. 66 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: The biggest cap hit on the Chargers and they did 67 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: a good thing going after this guy was J. C. Jackson, 68 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: who played for the Patriots. He was an abomination. I 69 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: was at the Broncos Chargers game on I think it 70 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: was Monday Night, Yeah, Monday Night football, and Jackson was 71 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: an abomination. He got benched in that game. He just 72 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: was terrible. He was awesome with the Patriots, goes to 73 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: the Chargers and is just couldn't guard anybody. Then he 74 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: gets a gruesome injury. I guess he's gonna be back 75 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: next year. I haven't heard it if he's gonna start 76 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: on the pup list, but he's your biggest capet. Number 77 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: two is Khalil Mack, who, let's be real, he ain't 78 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: the guy he was three or four years ago. So 79 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: your biggest two cap pits this year, one's injured and 80 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: the other is not trending toward wash but just not 81 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: what he was Bosa. He gonna get paid if he 82 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: hasn't already. And then you got Mike Williams and you 83 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: start looking down the roster and you're like, geez, how 84 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: if these guys not won a playoff game? They did 85 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: the right thing. You've got the quarterback on the rookie deal. Spend, Spence, spend. 86 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: They had a great roster and they have zero playoff 87 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: wins to show for it. They had that brutal Week seven, 88 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: Week seventeen or eighteen whatever. The final game was, final 89 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: game of the season on Sunday Night Football against Rob 90 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: G's Raiders. Just a devastating loss for the Chargers. They 91 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: had that game. Coach totally botched it at the end, 92 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: calling that time out enable the Raiders to go and 93 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: kick the field goal. Raiders make the playoffs, Chargers go home. 94 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,679 Speaker 1: Last year, Chargers advanced to the playoffs, take a twenty 95 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: seven to dozing lead on the on the Jags look like, 96 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: oh boy, Charger's gonna be a problem. In the AFC 97 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: and they blow the lead in the second half. Now 98 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: they enter this season with their coach on the hot seat, 99 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: the quarterback about to get paid, and let's just say 100 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: that the defensive genius masquerading as a head coach. Let's 101 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: say he fails this year, you want to go ahead 102 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: and fire him. You're gonna be now on coach number 103 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,239 Speaker 1: three for Justin Herbert this early in his career. Remember, 104 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: don't forget Anthony Lynn as the rookie. They were like, 105 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: we gotta get Anthony Len out of here, got to 106 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: get him out. They hire another defensive guy. It just 107 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: hasn't gone well. Listen, I'm optimistic about Kellen Moore. I 108 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: like the Chargers this year, but then you look at 109 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: the AFC. Rob. I'm gonna keep it real. As of 110 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: right now, I don't have the Chargers in the playoffs. 111 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: It's gonna be extremely difficult to make it. We know 112 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: the Ravens, if they're healthy with Lamar, they're gonna be 113 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: in the mix. Cleveland Browns with Deshaun Watson and Stefanski 114 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: with a full offseason to prep and him Watson in 115 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: for a fALS, they're gonna be good too. Healthy with 116 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: Miami's gonna be a problem. Of course, Aaron Rodgers, like 117 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and Payton rob It's difficult for me to 118 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: get overly excited about Herbert. Yes, you've got him under contract, great, 119 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: but now what are you gonna do? 120 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the million dollar question. And as great as 121 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: Justin Herbert is we talked about on the Pod going 122 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 2: back several years, talented, as you mentioned, easily a top 123 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 2: five most talented quarterback in the NFL right now. When 124 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 2: you consider arm strength, accuracy, mobility, ability to throw on 125 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 2: the run, throw from the pocket, he can do it all. 126 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 2: He is what I would consider for many eyes to 127 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: be at the prototypical NFL quarterback, even more so than 128 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: the Patrick Malmes. Patrick Holmes is special, be for different reasons. 129 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 2: Justin Herbert, just in what you look for in a quarterback, 130 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 2: hits all the boxes. And if you just look at 131 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 2: his raw numbers, they're incredible. I mean I saw this 132 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 2: last night, Adam Schefter. Through three seasons, Justin Herbert has 133 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 2: the most passing yards through the first three season NFL history. 134 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: His ninety four passing touchdowns are the second most through 135 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: the first three NFL seed in NFL history, and his 136 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 2: total QBR of sixty four is the fourth best in 137 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 2: the NFL since his rookie season in twenty twenty. So 138 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 2: he has all the raw data you look for. The 139 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: only problem is, and you kind of alluded to it here, 140 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 2: is for all of his ability and all his stats, 141 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: and as stacked as that roster is, why don't they 142 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: win more in three seasons justin Herbert twenty five and 143 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 2: twenty four. If you look at advanced metrics like DVOA 144 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: and EPA and all these different combinations, he is not 145 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: the upper echelon quarterback that you would expect, mostly because 146 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 2: his teams don't win enough. He grated out as like 147 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: a middle of the road Kirk Cousins type of quarterback 148 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: last season. If you're depending on the advancements you look at, 149 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: and so if you are the Los Angeles Chargers and 150 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: you've already had a history of making Derwin James the 151 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 2: highest paid at his position in NFL history, Joey Bosa 152 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 2: at one point was the highest paid at his position 153 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: in NFL history. Now it's justin Herbert's turn. They've had 154 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: talent and they still couldn't win. So what happens when 155 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 2: you mentioned it all that talent kind of gets priced 156 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 2: out of the equation because of the quarterback salary. Are 157 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: we sure that Justin Herbert has the intangibles because he 158 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 2: has all the tangibles. Are we sure he has the 159 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 2: intangibles that are going to lead to actual wins in 160 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 2: the regular season. 161 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up some of the lackluster stats. 162 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: I do have an argument it for Herbert and the stats. 163 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: So last year as OC was Joe Lombardi, who was 164 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: Sean Payton's guy in New Orleans, who was Drew Brees's 165 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. So Lombardi structured the offense in New Orleans 166 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: around Breeze. Hey, we want to get it out quick. 167 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: He's not a big, tall guy. Let's do short quick passes. 168 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: The arm was kind of shot, if you remember late 169 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: in Breeze's career. We got to do the short quick passes, 170 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: whether it's Takamara out of the backfield, tight ends, curl routes, 171 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: all stuff within ten yards of the line of scrimage, 172 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: and it became predictable. So Lombardi brings that to the Chargers, 173 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: and it's like trying to put a square peg in 174 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: a round hole. You've got Justin Herbert just strapping six four. 175 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: Adonnas who's like a gazelle outside the pocket, has a 176 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: rocket arm. Maybe he might have one of the best 177 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: arms in the league. It's got to be right there 178 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: with Alan and Mahomes. And he's uncorking bombs left and right, 179 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: and Lombardi was still doing the dink and dunk stuff 180 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: like quick releases, and it's like, well, wait a second, 181 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: you got a pretty darn good offensive line. I know 182 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: they had injuries last year. What are we doing so 183 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: now Lombardi's out in steps Kellen Moore. What did Kellen 184 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: Moore do in Dallas? Much to the chagrin of Mike McCarthy. 185 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: He wanted to light up the scoreboard with passing, deep throws, 186 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: a lot of bootlegs, play action, like Kellen Moore is 187 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: an offensive mastermind. And we talked a little bit about 188 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: this on the Herd. Is that McCarthy didn't want that. 189 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: He's like, I would to run the ball and play 190 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: my lead with my defense, rest my defense so they 191 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: can dominate games. It's no thanks, but that's a Dallas problem. 192 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: So expect Kellen Moore to uncork the offense. I think 193 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: it's optimistic that they drafted Quinton Johnston out of TCU. 194 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: You now have Mike Williams, Quinton Johnston, Keenan Allen, you 195 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: still have Eckler. I think this offense is gonna be 196 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: one of the five or six best in the league. 197 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: And my guest will be Herbert has a monster season. 198 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: But Rob, then the question becomes can they get a stop? 199 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: And I'm sure you saw the stats swirling around late 200 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: last night. I gotta pull it up here as I 201 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: have it on my phone. But essentially, the Chargers scored 202 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: the most points in the last three years and they 203 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: gave up the most allowed in the last three years. 204 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: The defense couldn't stop a nosebleed. It was like twelve 205 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty three points scored, twelve hundred and fifty 206 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: six points given up, And it's like, well, are they 207 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: gonna be better? I mean, you can't win paying your 208 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: safety the way they are, Like the Jets were able 209 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: to uncork Jamal Adams to Seattle. Jamal Adams is I 210 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: like safeties, you don't pay them. Sorry, it just doesn't work. 211 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: This isn't the legion a boom anymore. And the Chargers 212 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: have Derwin James can you fashion him into being, like, 213 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, some kind of hybrid linebacker, Like I 214 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: don't know because you can't pay linebackers. They got a 215 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: cornerback who's banged up in J. C. Jackson. I like 216 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: Samuel a lot, I like Bosa Mack is starting to 217 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: get up there. They never stop the run. And oh, 218 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: by the way, Rob, they're in the same division as 219 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs, who are looking awfully dynastics. So 220 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to kill the Chargers for this. 221 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: I don't want to take anything away from Herbert, but 222 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: like I have some cautious optimism, like there's a chance 223 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: they're resetting the head coach again after the season, would 224 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: you agree? 225 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: Yeah? And actually everything that you said is a hundred 226 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 2: percent accurate. There's a lot of blame that could be 227 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 2: laid with the offensive lack of innovation under the previous regime. 228 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 2: And it's entirely possible, if not likely, that with Kellen 229 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 2: Moore calling the plays now that they will, like you said, 230 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 2: light up the scoreboard. They have all of the weapons. 231 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 2: J Justin Herbert is very talented, but again, that does it. 232 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 2: That's not any different than what he's already been. He's 233 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 2: already been the stat padding guy, like that's never been 234 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 2: in question. And it says away into this. Now that 235 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 2: Justin Herbert has been paid, all eyes are shifting to 236 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow. And if you look at the two quarterbacks, 237 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 2: I think, on pure talent, most people would probably take 238 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: Justin Herbert over Joe Burrow. If you look at the 239 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: raw numbers during their three year NFL career, Justin Herbert's 240 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 2: got over three thousand more passing yards. He passes from 241 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 2: more yards per game, He's got more touchdowns, his rushing 242 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 2: yards is higher, He's got all these different things. The 243 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 2: reason why, however, I believe nine times out of ten 244 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 2: NFL executives and even casual sports fans will take Joe 245 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 2: Burrow over Justin Herbert every day of the week, is 246 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 2: because Joe Burrow has the thing that you cannot quantify, 247 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: that does not show up in a stat sheet, that 248 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 2: you're not gonna see in a box score. He has 249 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 2: all of the intangible where he finds ways to win games. 250 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 2: And twenty five and twenty four Justin Herbert, twenty four, 251 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 2: seventeen and one Joe Burrow. And say what you want 252 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 2: about the Chargers and their ownership and all that different things. 253 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 2: I'm willing to bet that Joe Burrow came into a 254 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 2: much more toxic situation in Cincinnati than Justin Herbert did 255 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 2: with the Chargers. So if Joe Burrow has these intangibles 256 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: and we just saw what Justin Herbert got with his contract, 257 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,719 Speaker 2: let me ask you this question, Jason, what do you 258 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 2: think Joe Burrow's gonna get now from Cincinnati? 259 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean, he's got to get more 260 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: than Josh Allen, Right, I think the only guy who 261 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: makes more money than him is Mahomes, So I would 262 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: I would look at the Mahomes deal and structure something 263 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 1: in that ballpark. Like, I don't think he's that far 264 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: behind Mahomes. He's played him head to head as well 265 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 1: as anybody. I love Herbert. I mean, Burrow's got a 266 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: better receipt and Jamar Chase than anything Herbert's had. Mahomes 267 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: has the better coach and Andy Reid, So like Mahomes 268 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: and Burrow have an edge on Herbert. But I don't 269 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: think it's by much. Like Rob, I know we can't 270 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: do this and it's a little silly, but Herbert and Reed, 271 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,599 Speaker 1: what are they like, they're probably winning Super Bowls and 272 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: when collecting MVPs, right, if Herbert service oid of Mahomes, like, 273 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: that's how good Herbert is. He just doesn't have Andy Reid. 274 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: And Burrow's excuse is, well, he's got Jamar Chase, who 275 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: is basically a go up and get a guy, and 276 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: I know Mike Williams is good and Keenan Allen's good. 277 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: But the Bengals also have lou Amaruno, the great defensive 278 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: coordinator who is probably the best defensive coordinator in the league. 279 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: That's not a head coach. Surprising that he hasn't gotten 280 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: any looks. He's been tremendous winning in Cincinnati, whether it 281 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: was two years ago or last year, Like they get 282 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: guys shuttle through like they've done a pretty damn good job. 283 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: I know the Chargers have a great roster. Ultimately, I 284 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: think it comes down to the coaching and I just 285 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: haven't seen it with the Chargers and now Cincinnati has it. 286 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: So I'd give Burrow basically whatever he wants. You know, hey, Joe, 287 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: do you want to be in the Mahomes Ballpark, you 288 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: want to compete with him for the next decade, then 289 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: we should do a contract's limber to his like, Burrow 290 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: shouldn't push back on that, should he. 291 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. If I'm Joe Burrow, I'm asking 292 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 2: for let's see, Justin Herbert got two hundred and sixty 293 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 2: two and a half million dollars over five years, basically 294 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety four million guaranteeing clear injury. If 295 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 2: I'm Joe Burrow, I'm asking for five years to sixty five, 296 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 2: just a little bit more than over the total annual value, 297 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 2: but I want all to sixty five fully guaranteed. 298 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: Oh so you're gonna play that game? 299 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Someone's got to. I mean, Friend of the Show 300 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 2: a Brown on Twitter going off on the Chiefs and 301 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes for that sham of a contract and then 302 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 2: wold everyone believe that he got half a billion dollars. 303 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 2: But when you look at the average annual value and 304 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 2: the total guarantee, that's nowhere near what a top flight 305 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 2: NFL quarterback should get. So someone's got to do it. 306 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 2: I hope with Joe. 307 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: Burrow again, like Patrick Mahomes is a unique situation is 308 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: dad was a professional baseball player. I think he's cleaning 309 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: up with the ads like he's making a ton of money, 310 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: like at some point, and we could talk about this 311 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: if you want, with the Embope situation, like how much 312 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: money is enough. Again, I'm not in that stratosphere, so 313 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. But if if I'm Joe Burrow and 314 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: I demand all of it fully guaranteed, and the Bengals 315 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: say we're not doing that, you know, we're gonna franchise 316 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: tag you or something, then it gets really weird and 317 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: you're stuck there for two years, and then it gets ugly. 318 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. Frankly, it's me. It's funny, Rob. I 319 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: was just having this discussion with some of the guys 320 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: on my men's league basketball team, and it's gonna sound 321 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: so lusory, but I'm like, you know, I haven't been 322 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: playing well lately. I'm not able to play as much 323 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: as I did last year. Last year, last summer, I 324 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: was playing like three days a week, and I was 325 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: really good. I was at the top of my game. Now, 326 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: work family, I'm not able to play him once a week. 327 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: That's not gonna cut it. And I go out and 328 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: I'm not shooting well, and I feel like, listen, I'm 329 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: hurting the team. I'm gonna sit myself down. I'm gonna 330 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: play less. I want to win. If that means I'm 331 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: taking fewer shots and playing fewer minutes, I don't care. 332 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: I want the titles. But again, this is like a 333 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: fun men's wreck Lely, this ain't you know hundreds of 334 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:14,239 Speaker 1: millions of dollars? You know, Burrow is upset over like 335 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: twenty million dollars Like that sounds like that's not a 336 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: big deal when you're getting tw hundred fifty mili. But 337 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: tell me, it's not what it's buying money in twenty 338 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: million dollars and mbope, the soccer player who has a 339 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: seven hundred and fifty million dollar offer from the saudis, 340 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: how does he not take that for a year? Seven 341 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million dollars? That's almost impossible to quantify, 342 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: Like what could you possibly do with that kind of money? 343 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: And I just I don't know what. I can't imagine 344 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: the Burrow's gonna pull a stunt like that and be 345 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: that demanding. But we'll see. Let's quickly go to Saquon 346 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: Barkley and the New York Giants. Rob This is a 347 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: little bit of a puzzling situation. So this is the 348 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: first time since I believe nineteen ninety four that someone 349 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: has been tagged, but they've let the player modify the tag. 350 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley doing a lot of complaining on podcasts, doing 351 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: a lot of complaining on the Running Back Zoom call, 352 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: basically to anybody in the media, Hey, I'm not gonna 353 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: show up for week one. I don't know how much 354 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: long I might not show up for the season. Who knows. 355 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: I don't want to do that, but I might. And Rob. 356 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: I just wonder if New York Giants that the front 357 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: office that got spooked when Daniel Jones and his father 358 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: demanded a ton of money and they were like, oh, 359 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: we just wanted to playoff, We want a game, we 360 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: gotta pay him. And now Saquon's chirping and they're like, oh, guys, 361 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: we got to take care of our players. Xavier McKinney 362 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: and the Giants' locker room is saying, we're behind him. 363 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: Let's just give him. Let's give hi an extra million dollars. 364 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: So essentially, Saquon Barkley gets an extra nine hundred thousand dollars, 365 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: which is, you know, really good money, but in his field, 366 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: is it great? I don't know. He gets two million 367 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 1: of it upfront as a signing bonus for your troubles, 368 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: if you will. And now he shows up and it's 369 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: all good. It's kumbaya and like, I'm happy deal got done. 370 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: And I guess if I'm wondering, what Rob, what are 371 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: those other running backs like, who were on that call? 372 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: Austin Eckler, I assume Zeke Elliott, Kareem Hunt, Dalvin Cook. 373 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 1: I'm assuming they were on the call. But what are 374 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: they thinking? Damnekon, Saiquon one? What about us? Like we 375 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: just talked about this. Are they going to be all 376 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: in together? Or is it every man for themselves? And 377 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: it kind of is every man for themselves. So Sequon's 378 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: back with the Giants. I don't foresee a massive year 379 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: for them. The schedule's tough. I don't think the team's 380 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: very good. I think Jones is overrated, But it feels 381 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: good to have Saquon back, like it feels like a 382 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: win for him. 383 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 2: Oh, I could not disagree with you more. I mean 384 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 2: it's a win for the Giants. I think say Kwon 385 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 2: Barkley took the biggest l in recent contract negotiation history. 386 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 2: You mentioned the extra million or nine hundred thousand dollars. 387 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 2: That's incentives that he has to hit. In order to 388 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 2: hit those incentives, he'd have to rush for over fifty 389 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 2: rushing yards with a playoff berth that has to be together. 390 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 2: That's one portion. He has to have eleven touchdowns and 391 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:10,239 Speaker 2: he has to have sixty five receptions. Last seasonable he 392 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 2: had a career high thirteen hundred and twelve rushing yards, 393 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 2: which is less. He had ten rushing touchdowns eleven PRIs. 394 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: Wait wait, I thought you said he only needed eleven 395 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: hundred rushing He needs thirteen to fifty. Ok. 396 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 2: So he needs to have a career high in rushing yards, 397 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 2: he needs to tie his career high in touchdowns, and 398 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 2: last season he had a team leading fifty seven catches. 399 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,959 Speaker 2: He needs sixty five catches to reach his incentive. So 400 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 2: for him to hit those three marks thirteen fifty, eleven, 401 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 2: sixty five, those numbers would rank in the top five 402 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 2: of every single one of those running back categories. Last season, 403 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 2: he'd have to be a first team All Pro basically, 404 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 2: and his team would have to make the playoff for 405 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 2: him to get the nine hundred thousand dollars. But the 406 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 2: worst part of this whole negotiation is he threatens to 407 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 2: sit out the season and doesn't even skip training camp. 408 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 2: He's showing up for work for practice. He didn't have 409 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 2: to sign the tag. He could have signed the tag 410 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 2: the night before Week one and got the full ten 411 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 2: million dollars. And on top of that, this is probably 412 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 2: the most egregious point, he agrees to the deal which 413 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 2: is highly incentivized, which he's probably not going to get realistically, 414 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 2: he's not going to get the four hundred thousand. He 415 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 2: might get one of those three things. But the deal 416 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 2: does not include a no franchise tag clause moving forward, 417 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 2: which means we could have this same thing happen again. 418 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 2: Like this is the reason why the NFL players keep 419 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 2: getting screwed, because these guys are unwilling to take a 420 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 2: hard stance on anything. 421 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: Well, I did see that. I mean again, in the 422 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: contract is one thing. I wonder if there's a handshake deal, 423 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: we won't tag you. And I asked that, Rob, because 424 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: according to reports, after the deal was signed, the Giants 425 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: tried to trade Saquon back in March, and his representatives 426 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: were on board with it. Apparently they reached out to 427 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: nearly a dozen teams. Now, Rob, this is like an 428 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: entirely new another story, but this whole sports media stuff. 429 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: You're telling me that Saquon's agent, the Giants, and nearly 430 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: a dozen teams knew that Saquan was on the market 431 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: and being talked about in trades, and nobody reported it, 432 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: not one reporter. What are we doing here? Are the 433 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: reporters basically just hey, you're allowed to report this, go ahead, 434 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: and nobody was allowed to report nobody had this. I 435 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 1: think that's just that's kind of embarrassing. It just shows 436 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: how many of these NFL reporters are in the pockets 437 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: of the league and the teams and the agents, and 438 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: they're not allowed to report stuff like not a whisper 439 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,479 Speaker 1: that Saquon Barkley's being talked about in trades. I think 440 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: that's kind of weak. And now for it to come out, 441 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: and that's why I think I wonder if the Giants 442 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: are probably willing to ship him after this so he 443 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: doesn't get tagged. And I'll quickly say this, last year 444 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 1: when Barkley had more than fifteen carries, Giants were seven 445 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: to one and one feed the beast. They do well. 446 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: It looks like he played in sixteen games and missed. Yeah, 447 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: he missed one game, and you could argue that, Hey, 448 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: the offensive line is a little more experience this year. 449 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: Thomas the young kid is not as young anymore, and 450 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: Barkley's gonna run wild. Maybe he'd hit some of those incentives. 451 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: Maybe he doesn't. Yeah, I mean, I'm rooting for him. 452 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 1: I don't root for the Giants, but I do. I 453 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: will root for Saquon Barklay on this Rob, before we 454 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: close it out, I just I need to ask, and 455 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: we don't need to go long on this. I know 456 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: the NBA. Anytime I say we don't need to go long, 457 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: we end up arguing for ten minutes. Jalen Brown just 458 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: signed the richest contract in NBA history. I had Boston 459 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: Celtics friends I don't have many of them texting me 460 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: why did Boston do this deal? They didn't understand why 461 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: Jalen Brown would get so much money, and I was 462 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: It felt like a basic question. Well they could because 463 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: he made all NBA. Jalen Brown of the Celtics was 464 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: eligible for the Supermax. And you know how that works, Rob, 465 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: I'm eligible for the Supermax. Give it to me, and 466 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 1: if you don't, I will play for one year and 467 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: then I'm out there's no franchise tag situation in the NBA, 468 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: So then Boston would have had to trade Jalen Brown, 469 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: and with one year left on his deal, like, who's 470 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: trading for Jalen Brown when he could just pick his 471 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: spot the following year, maybe a handful of teams would 472 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: have said, we'll take a flyer on Jalen Brown, and 473 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: we will. We'll hope to entice him and win with 474 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: him and convince him, hey, this is the city you 475 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: need to be in. But overall, there would not have 476 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: been a robust market for Jalen Brown, so they had 477 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: to pay him this and I know a lot of 478 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: people don't like it, and it's a bad look for 479 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: the league. I said on the Herd, I don't think 480 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: he's a top fifteen player in the league. And I 481 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: know he was second team All NBA and that's good 482 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: and well, but we'll talk about a two time All Star. 483 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: I mean, we could go down the list of who 484 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: would you rather have Jalen Brown. He's a nice player, obviously, 485 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: very good. Like I remember the NBA Finals against the Warriors, 486 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: Tatum was a little tired and Wiggins was kind of 487 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,719 Speaker 1: not locking him up, but Tatum was struggling a bit. 488 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: Spotlight was on him. He was tired for sure, and 489 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: Jalen Brown was their best player. I think for about 490 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: three games in that series, and you're like, Okay, Jalen 491 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: Brown's got something. But the turnovers. I saw a stat 492 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: he has more turnovers than assists in the last like 493 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: three playoffs total, and it's like he's not a rookie anymore. 494 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: Like that can't happen. He's just dribbling into oblivion and 495 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: doesn't really have a left hand. Again, I'm not looking 496 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: in his pockets. I don't care that he got a 497 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: He's gonna make seventy million dollars in the final year. 498 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: If it looks bad, Rob, I think we'd agree after 499 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: one year, Boston will say, hey, we got Jalen Brown 500 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: for four years. You know, if we send him to Charlotte, Charlotte, 501 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: he's yours for four years. You can't get stars, you're 502 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: not getting free agents. Do you want Jalen Brown? Build 503 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: around him? And I think this is just how the 504 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: modern NBA works. Now, give him a contract and if 505 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: you have to trade him later trade them. 506 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 2: And if I were a betting man, I would bet 507 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 2: that he does not see the end of that contract 508 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 2: extension in Boston, either because they decided that the Tatum 509 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 2: Brown pairing doesn't work and they got to trade one 510 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 2: of them. So obviously you're gonna keep Tatum if you can, 511 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 2: or just because he asked out, and we talked about 512 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 2: this before that he's gone on the record several times 513 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 2: that he's not exactly fond of living in Boston, so 514 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised that if he dipped out. But 515 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 2: look that three hundred and four million dollars sounds ridiculous 516 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 2: right now. But I do remember a time not too 517 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 2: long ago where Mike Conley, who famously had never made 518 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 2: an All Star team, was the highest paid player in 519 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 2: NBA history at the time. And this is nothing more 520 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 2: than Jalen Brown becoming a free agent or becoming extension eligible. 521 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 2: Excuse me, at the perfect time the new TV revenue 522 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 2: is kicking in, You're going to see a lot more 523 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 2: contracts that are even bigger than this. I've read last 524 00:26:55,560 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 2: night on social media that we're basically too years away 525 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 2: from Shay Gilgess Alexander becoming the first four hundred million 526 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 2: dollar contract man, and like, that's just the reality that's 527 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 2: where it's gonna be and if I'm Boston, just to 528 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 2: make it summarize it quickly, they are a championship contending 529 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: team right now as it stands. You don't lose your 530 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 2: asset for nothing. You pay him now, you figure out 531 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 2: the rest of it later, point blank period. 532 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a great look for the NBA when, like, 533 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: you know, the Mike Conley I remember that he made 534 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 1: like one hundred and thirty five million. I think he 535 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: was with the Jazz or was he grim Grizzlies. 536 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 2: I believe at that time it was the Grizzlies. 537 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: It might have been the Grizzlies. Yeah, but it's one 538 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: of those things like you have to pay the or 539 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: you're gonna lose them for nothing, and you can't do that. 540 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: You can because the NBA is so tough when you 541 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,479 Speaker 1: lose like a point guard, and Conley was really good. 542 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: I don't think he was like a top was he 543 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: a top ten point guard ever? Ever? I don't know. 544 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 1: It's like an Eli Manning situation, except he doesn't have championships. 545 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: Like Eli Manning was never a top five quarterback in 546 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: the league ever, never, And he's got two Super Bowls 547 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: and like, you know, he's eating for life. But yeah, 548 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 1: so the Jalen Brown thing I can't hate. I'm sure 549 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people get a bag on him. Bro, 550 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 1: get that scheddar. We're all we're rooting for everybody, right. 551 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: Uh right. That's a lengthy podcast on a Wednesday. We'll 552 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: be back tomorrow with the one and only Preston Johnson. 553 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you then